/sci/ - Science & Math

First for GO FEVER

and propellant slosh

>>14869314

>>14869333
What would be the purpose of a Michigan launch site? Polar orbits?

>>14869342
Dual-purpose launches that deliver payloads to orbit and bomb the Canadians.

Artemis 1 will be canceled and torn apart.

Is launcher space the dark horse of smallsat launchers? They seem to have made some great technical leaps, but don't seem to get much attention for some reason. The fact that they made an ORSC engine is really impressive.

>>14869342
I guess so, that and the land is relatively cheap and unused even if it's not at the best latitude.

Hypothetically:
Artemis 1 RUDs.
What happens in the following weeks?

>>14869323

Why is NASA so arrogant?

>>14869358
I want to see what happens when they try to get boats to stay out of the way.

>>14869366
>shuttle so big it can carry "big" gemini as payload

>>14869361
/sfg/ gets a permanent boner

>>14869361
I know I would die of laughter for one thing

amazon, paladin, sorceress, necromancer
>crew 5
>(there ain't no station like a crew 5 station)
>they're gonna go up high
>(everybody get down tonight)
>crew 5 (crew 5)
>(there ain't no station like a crew 5 station)
>they're gonna ride the sky
>(shake your body from side to side)

>>14869395
Will Starlink (specifically other systems carried onboard Starlink satellites) give more accurate weather predictions?

>>14869407
Weather satellites operate at geostationary orbit. What would Starlink do?

>>14869323
>we gaan
>doesn't actually go anywhere

>>14869395
This is never gonna work

>>14869393
The russian woman uncannily looks like a man without makeup on all of her promo images for crew 5. This is how NASA sends trans to space without actually sending trans to space, you get the manliest looking female astronaut that the Ruskies have (all of their women).

>>14869393
>Paladin
My dude, that guy has FANGS

>>14869393
How can they even keep the ISS going like this when we're literally fighting a proxy war with Russia, again?

>>14869425
It's just that easy for non-russians

We are go for rolling back

>>14869370
I can tell you with absolute certainty as a yooper myself that the locals will treat exclusion zones as mere suggestions, if that. There will be fishing boats always, and shacks in the winter.

We are going to roll back.

>>14869342
You can do sounding rockets from the old rocket range if you want, NASA used to.

Have a beefy graphics card just sitting around?
https://spaceref.com/newspace-and-tech/join-the-2022-explore-lunar-data-challenge-to-explore-the-moon/

>The Machine Learning Lunar Data Challenge is in three steps: firstly, participants should train and test a model capable of recognising craters and boulders on the lunar surface. Secondly, they should use their model to label craters and boulders in a set of images of the Archytas zone. Finally, they should use the outputs of their models to create a map of an optimal traverse across the lunar surface to visit defined sites of scientific interest and avoid hazards, such as heavily cratered zones.

OMG
>After reading the newspaper and seeing Eric Berger's tweet, NASA has decided it is time to roll back. #WeAreGoing back to the VAB! Follow, like, reply for more updates #Artemis

>>14869451
>crowdsourcing your lunar rover pathfinding
pretty slick

>>14869464
Nah, they already got this on Mars. NASA has to do public outreach like this to get the young people interested in data processing and space

spicy

>>14869342
The image is pretty clear about the purpose: the Michigan Aerospace Manufacturers Association

Are you excited for Firefly launch? Relatively? we're close bros

>>14869342
>Have you ever heard of a neat little thing called a monorail?

>>14869491
the ABL launch is really exciting too

>>14869503
oh yeah almost forgot. i wonder if we see them all before the end of the year

lunarbros...

>>14869473
Jesus Christ, this thing is going to collapse during the orbital launch.

>>14869512
>Industrial needs
Where do I sign up to be a factory worker on the Moon

A PhD astronaut is not going to stoop to that

MMSEV bros!

it lives

>>14869516
It's not made of Boeing foam and held together by the paint.

>>14869523

>>14869512
We won

Now that's gonna be an interesting mission, not just 6 months and return to Earth but 6 months and land on the Moon and try to work with partial gravity again

>>14869528
>Not Starship

>>14869367
>why does a black man have a fragile ego

>>14869412
Weathersats are in MEO usually. A constellation in LEO gives better coverage.
>source: TROPICS Principal Investigator

>>14869553
>TROPICS Principal Investigator
TOPICs would be really helpful right now, Asstra dropped that ball so hard

>>14869540
Definitely something needed for a Mars mission.

I had a prophetic dream that the SLS fails catastrophically shortly after launch when one of the solid boosters fails and breaks off inshallah

NASA will launch SLS on the 27th in high wind
Engine #3 will fail
NASA will lose control of the vehicle
SLS will careen towards a populated area
the FTS will fail

Hello

>>14869572
YWNBAW

>>14869576
No shit, Sherlock.

new berger hit piece on NASA is out, make sure to downvote it & denoise it oomfies

>>14869367
People who use the word problematic deserve to be mutilated, dragged behind a pickup truck, and strung up a tree

>>14869571
Stop, I can only get so erect

>>14869584
>oomfies
Fuck you for introducing this word to me

Question: How will SpaceX keep their astronauts sane for 6 months in one of their "Starship fleet?"
Will they have some sort of floating recreational spacecraft that crews from the fleet rotate through in shifts?

>>14869594
>Question: How will NASA keep their astronauts sane for 6 months in one of their "International Space Station"
Will they have some sort of floating recreational spacecraft that crews from the station rotate through in shifts?

>>14869594
That's the thing: they wont. Humans are incapable of living in space long periods, they go insane just like in The Shining

>>14869594
Same way subs go down under for 6+ months at a time

Or how people live in arctic weather stations modules solo, or in groups of few at a time

>>14869599
What if we get artificial gravity.

>>14869594
sneed

>>14869512
I just hope they put some SOVL into it. I mean, like wasting a few billion dollars on an indoor basketball court or setting up a 9 hole golf course. Building stuff with the sole aim of building more stuff is bugman behavior. Nonetheless, this is certainly the good timeline.

Ok so it's fine that SpaceX has violated international spectrum treaties AND violated Iran sovereignty?

>>14869594
sun worship

>>14869618
We wont (it's a waste of resources)

>>14869632
>international spectrum treaties
No one cares and if they do care they don't matter
>violated Iran sovereignty
I consider that as a positive

>>14869632
That hasn't happened, but if it ever did then yes, it's fine.

>>14869557
Yeah I know, that's part of why I quit.

Can you fly an airplane in a O'Neill cylinder? is it safe?

>>14869594

>>14869594
Look up the Mars-500. Going insane is a complete non-issue.

Starlink is rapidly making itself an attractive target, which is the exact opposite of what they told investors who wanted to know that SpaceX would stay out of international politics that could make the satellites a desirable target.

>>14869643
it literally just happened. spacex has NO license to operate in iran and DO NOT have consent or support from Iran sovereign government

>>14869657
Iran isn't gonna have a government

>>14869367
I don't understand at all what is "problematic" about the weather?

>>14869657
That's fine.

>>14869653
Fuck investors lmao, they don't know what's good for them

>>14869648
How the fuck does air even function in an O'Neill cylinder?

>>14869648
You should be able to but you would have to compensate for the relative ground movement. Not sure that a cylinder would need aircraft since the superstructure could be built with more than enough rail/autonomous guideways. It is an interesting question of what kind of weather conditions could develop in an O'Neill cylinder and how it could be controlled.

>>14869648
I think so, with the note that 'gravity' would change with altitude and require some adjustments from Earther flight.

>>14869659

>>14869615
>>14869651
according to some testimonies, these answers are the same.

>>14869657
What exactly are they going to do about it that doesn't result in Tehran getting vaporized?

>>14869671
>Why does the world hate us?
t. the United States

>>14869671
sanction the united states and bring them to justice in international court. assassinate elon musk. develop nukes and launch them

>>14869676
lol, lmao even, and rofl too

>>14869675
it's lonely at the top ;)

>>14869676
>sanction the united states
Already embargoed
>bring them to justice in international court
Neither country has ratified the treaty
>assassinate elon musk
Maybe could work but would be a huge provocation against a stronger country
>develop nukes and launch them
Even if successful Tehran would be vaporized, and they're trying that already.

>>14869676
>sanction the US
lol
lmao
>international court
The President has standing authority to kill anyone who tries.
>assassinate Elon
I'm sure the man spending his time in an ITAR work environment is very vulnerable to exploding dunecoons.
>develop nukes and launch them
see "Tehran getting vaporized"

>>14869646
astranon? you quit?

>>14869353
SLS will get SRS

>>14869676
You forgot one: annihilate the US Capitol (Israel)

>>14869657
Iran hasn't had a legitimate sovereign government since they overthrew the shah.

>>14869696
see
>>14869671

>>14869692
Yeah. I have serious doubts about Astra's ability to survive long enough for Rocket 4 to work, particularly due to executive fuckups.

>>14869420
>The russian woman uncannily looks like a man
nah man you're just so brain-rotted from the culture war u see trannies under your pillow
fuck off back to /pol/
>>14869648
that would be a fun challenge, i bet the air currents in structures like that are very weird

>>14869699
paradise for the martyrs, inshallah

>>14869675
except uncle sam is now trans and aunt samantha

>>14869701
I understand that by revealing where you're going next would identify you, but are you staying in the industry?
was it Chris Kemp's fault?

Elon Musk can't get away with it. Not this time.

>>14869652
>Four of the members suffered from sleep and psychological issues.
uuuuhhhhh...

>>14869666
Something like this

>>14869718
Yeah, statistical trannies for the airlock

>>14869703
it was a complement. good genes.

>>14869675
I'm glad the Jews exist to keep you guys in check. In a world without Jews the US would've just raped and conquered the world and implemented their racism across the globe.

>>14869704
>get to heaven
>about to be admitted for devotion to one form of YHWH, God of the Jews
>Ronald Reagan personally appears and calls in a favor with God to condemn you and your kind to eternal damnation
sucks to suck

>>14869696
>>14869699
That is the best case scenario.
If Iran did that they would be remembered as selfless martyrs.
Saving the US and the world by sacrificing themselves to destroy the ultimate evil.

>>14869728
Ronny boy is in hell for what he did

>>14869734
Why is Elon helping the Jews of Israel by contributing to the downfall of Iranian government? Think about that

in the future, all spacecraft radiation shielding will be removed for a closer experience with God. The increased mass allowance will be a happy coincidence.

>>14869745
Gott mit uns

>>14869742
israel is a spacex customer in both their satellites, using starlink, and launching astronauts. Iran is both an annoyance ot the region with its funding of noxious orgs and a legitimately dystopian theocracy. Now of course we are total hypocrits and other nations fit that description while not drawing our ire, but hey, gejopolitics makes whores of us all.

>>14869712
I'm not in the industry at the moment, my priority was a remote job to get the hell out of California. And yeah, it's definitely Chris Kemp's fault, along with Adam London and Benjamin Lyon. They've been shedding upper management like crazy since January and just... not replacing them with anyone. Their subordinates are being made to wear multiple hats and it's causing a lot of stress and less time for managers to focus on their direct reports. At least one of these VPs left because he had a stress induced heart attack.

January:
https://web.archive.org/web/20211229175029mp_/https://astra.com/team/
Current:
https://astra.com/management/

>>14869753
Kemp always seemed soulless to me

>>14869594
>Select people that aren't absolute schizos, maybe keep them isolated for some time to test them.
>Let them get entertainment during the trip, maybe video games or movies but the electronics might get fucked by the radiation, so maybe something analogical too.
>Give them work to do, some research that can be done while inside Starship.
>Working out could be good too.

>>14869761
He's a WEF attendee with a fondness for leather jackets and stimulants, so I think he's just a GenXer that got rich too fast and couldn't handle it.

SLS will roll back and they will tear it down for an early 2023 launch.

>>14869357
What a silly name.

>>14869762
I would think that if electronics are getting fried by radiation then they have bigger problems than not being able to play mario kart

>>14869778
I'm talking about normal ass computers/videogames, not the radiation shielded rocket electronics.
The ISS is fine, but the normal notebooks they have there sometimes brick because of the radiation.

>>14869728
>Reagan
>In heaven

He's deep in the pits of torment you neocon bootlicker boomer faggot

>>14869782
How hard would it be to harden consumer electronics against radiation? Not being rhetorical since I don't really know specifics.

>>14869790
Idk I just know this from some video about the ISS

Could Mars' volcanism be reactivated through nukes?

>>14869747
based
atheoids seething

>>14869824
No.

Get shit done already I need a spaceship

>>14869857
Sorry I'll get back to work

>>14869857
You got it boss

>>14869857
Preparing to suspend all activities at the Cape and rollback the VAB

>>14869883
good thing SLS has nothing to do with advancing spaceflight, so it can stall as much as it wants (although it’s hogging money that could be used elsewhere)

>>14869876
Yeah you better

>>14869881
o7

>>14869883
Cape? VAB? I don't care I just wanna get off this rock.

https://youtu.be/XH9uf7p4jb0
i also like listening to the girls cum when tom mueller skypes them

>>14869896
>Cape? VAB?

I love how this implies that the first thing you see when you plug in a starlink terminal is an overexposed picture of Elon Musk

>>14869909
>Elon, load up celery man please.

>>14869909
>I know a scrubber when I see one

>>14869909
why do they look like they're praying to elon?

>>14869909
>It's a Bolsonaro's minister
I wonder how they would use this in the election campaign against him

>>14869949
>He's a politician we don't like therefore he's absolute uncut evil and anyone who supports him should be hunted like its the purge so don't support him because we're condoning violence here

One of the big headaches in modern politics is that the establishment types don't seem to have any subtly left in them

>>14869571
What are the odds that an Arleigh Burke or F-15 is standing by to AEGIS/AMRAAM an out of control rocket that’s not responding to the FTS?

>>14869571
>>14869953
Screencapped for posterity and record.

>>14869953
It's going to crater into Orlando Disneyland

>>14869955
Imagine getting a kill marking for shooting down a super heavy lift rocket.

Will SLS survive Tropical Storm?

>>14869965
I am TUNGSTEN hard.

Saturday afternoon is the final go/no go for the SLS launch attempt on the 27th

https://spaceref.com/science-and-exploration/nasa-teams-monitoring-weather-while-protecting-option-for-artemis-i-launch/

https://youtu.be/V9yAOKLxzko
look at these goofy people. embarrassing simps for a slave driver and emerald bloody money earner

>>14869653
Starlink is basically unkillable outside a total war (and even then, maybe not). There will be 24000 starlink satellites in orbit. An adversary would need a way to kill each one. Missiles would be way too expensive (spend $$$$ per missile to kill a $ starlink satellite). The only alternative is a very powerful laser (realistically, several of them) that can destroy or damage each starlink satellite. But this would take (seconds to minutes per starlink satellite, and would be very visible and could not be hidden. So you would need the US to not care about you slowly and obviously burning down satellites. If you can burn down one per minute, it’d take 700 hours (a month) to get all 24000. If you could burn one per second it would still take almost 7 hours. This would be a declaration of war and would certainly earn at least a precision strike on the laser weapon, if not a nuclear response.

>>14869966
They're predicting it'll probably be a cat 2 by the time it hits Florida.

>>14869966
in the VAB yeah

>>14869790
Can't be done. Radiation hardening is done while you're fabbing the chips.

>>14869981
you think it can make it there in time?

>>14869985
I hope not

>>14869985
>Faced with a storm approaching faster than they can get the SLS to shelter, they decide to launch it rather than lose it

I want some absolutely incredible hurricane Artemis kino

>>14869983
I mean, there are levels of radiation hardening. There's radiation hardening you do in the layout and design, changing the actual silicon to be more radiation hardened. Then there's radiation hardened packaging, where the thing you bond the actual silicon to is radiation hardened, which is much cheaper. Then you can take chips in normal packaging and put them in radiation hardened enclosures, and you can also include redundancy and CRCs as a kind of radiation hardening.

>>14869985
It takes about 12 hours to get from 37B back to the VAB.

>>14869994
>37B
Anon...

>>14869983
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiation_hardening#Physical

>>14870000
Checked. Those are all manufacturing steps.

>>14869953
zero >>>/k/

>>14869991
this person knows things
>>14869983
this person is an idiot

>>14869966
>>14869972
Desantis just declared 24 counties including Brevard country (where SLS lives) under a state of emergency for hurricane Ian (formerly tropical depression 9). I think SLS is going back to the hangar. Ian will be the strongest hurricane to hit Florida in 3 years. Flimsy hydrogen tank, with the flimsy orange foam can’t survive the hail, wind, debris from a hurricane. I’d they leave it out, it will get fucked and need to be scrapped.

>>14870015
Can’t remember which flight it was but they left STS out during a bad storm one time and the external tank took some heavy damage. I believe they ended up actually launching it anyways lol. I know I have the photo on my laptop but I haven’t booted that thing up in over a year

>>14870015
Hurricanes cant be boy names, fake post

>>14869953
Probably not given that a flying debris field would be just as big of a pain in the ass as one big projectile.

>>14869976
How resistant are Starlink sats to debris? Even short of going all Kessler syndrome I don't think you need anywhere near a 100% direct kill rate.

>>14870026
They can maneuver automatically with latest debris data

>>14870019
wonder how SS would stack up in a bad hail storm. Dents in the fuselage, but they would probably still try a launch especially if it was just a run of the mill starlink launch. The tiles would get fucked though

>>14869857
As the average /sfg/ poster, you yourself are qualified for the following assignments:
https://www.spacex.com/careers/?department=Facilities%2520and%2520Physical%2520Security
https://www.rocketlabusa.com/careers/positions/
https://blueorigin.wd5.myworkdayjobs.com/BlueOrigin?jobFamilyGroup=5f32d2b8465201e1dd6f274338179145

>>14870033
>Dents in the fuselage
those just pop out

>>14870019
>>14870015
Im betting tomorrow they decide to roll it back to the VAB and don’t get it back to a countdown til the second half of 2023. And I’m not optimistic it flies (in one piece) then.

>>14869942
>I go to Boca Chica.

>>14870034
unironically a higher-end /sfg/ user would do wonders if they were plucked and randomly made a top manager at BO with lots of power and authority

>>14870036
true. If SS ever gets metallic TPS (inshallah) then it would pretty much be weather proof

>>14870030
They’re really far apart from each other. Think about 24000 people spread nearly equidistantly on the face of the earth- they’d each have an area the size of New Jersey. Kessler syndrome is fake and no one in the know takes it seriously. At the orbits that starlinks live in, it’s a non issues because that debris will automatically deorbit in about a year or so.

>>14870030
Hopefully the Space Force stops fucking around with dumb anthems and starts modeling that, because I gotta think the debris environment changes pretty fast if just 5, 10, 50 satellites are popped in quick succession.

>>14870041
Is there a high bar for this?
I only see BO launching that stupid tourism rocket, and no news of New Gleen. What the hell are they doing?

>>14870049
Depends on what is hit and where it is. Starlink is low enough to where natural orbital decay would really help out with most of the debris pretty quickly

>>14870051
BO has gotten a little bit more lax on their hiring, but they are famously pretty rigorous (for no reason might I add). If you want to be in management you basically have to be an oldspace boomer with >25 yrs experience

Florida just had a level 8 Megawatt earthquake. The governor requested Starlink to service the state (now considered a third world country). elon denies them, citing desantis failed to be loyal to donald trump. "this is maga country" said elon

>>14870049
It’s a causus belli to attack satellites. It’s like if China takes out a US carrier. Sure they can do it. But the consequence is an angry, justified full nuclear response. No non state actors can really do it either because the anti satellite missile launches or laser blasts cannot be hidden- too much raw energy. And they’re really high tech and hard to pull off.

Our Lord and Savior

>>14870055
I'm talking about the bar of being better than them, not the bar of being contracted by them.
>>If you want to be in management you basically have to be an oldspace boomer with >25 yrs experience
And this is why I have minimal hope of BO having success.

>>14870057
>inb4 IRGC does its own Project West Ford to fuck with Starlink

>>14870051
They're working on getting the BE-4 finished. It turns out that 1B a year doesn't go all that far when you're talking on multiple large projects at the same time as you're building out substantial infrastructure on lots you leased at the cape.

>>14870065
Do you have any products other than carnaval ride seats? contracts? when does BO become self sufficient?

>>14870048
Not even that, because they are in different planes, its more like hundred people across the size of earth. So each person gets a country the size of the US with free traffic.

Space is 3D where as surface of earth Earth is 2D.

>>14870048
>Kessler syndrome is fake
You are painfully retarded

>>14870077
I know you are but what am I

>>14870077
Fake? No. Blown way out of proportion by popsoience? Very much so

>>14870072
Blue is fucked. Literally no news on “project Jarvis” in over a year— it was just PR and cope. They’re never going to compete in launches. They’re more than 10 years behind SpaceX (falcon 1 got to orbit 14 years ago, and blue is much slower at everything than spacex). They might get some pity US Gov payloads delivered to the moon and mars via spacex but they’re not really a payload company— I think most of their people and hardware and spending has all been to develop rockets. At a guess they have 75% of their total people hours spent on the carnival ride, 20% on be4, 4% on new glenn, and 1% on the moon lander other stuff, and approx 0% on Jarvis. Basically the whole company for most of its life was doing the carnival ride, which doesn’t actually help them learn useful skills for later more important tasks with their other tasks. It was a distraction. They can’t sell enough tickets at $xxx,000/seat to ever make it make sense. And no one besides tourists care about a few minutes of free fall. It’s not enough time to do any useful science.

>>14870072
They could have got some cash flow from the Kuiper contract. Space launch contracts are hopelessly opaque from the outside but they're not the sort of thing that pay out in a single lump sum on launch day. Their engine contracts with ULA are likely structured similarly. Their clearest source of income comes from New Shepard launches, but that's not bringing in enough to do more than cover the cost of maintaining the NS program, and if they're building a few new tails to ramp up their tourist flights probably not even that. Their main source of funding so far has always been Bezos' yearly sale of Amazon stock.

Once the BE-4 factory is up and running and doing its best to mass produce product they'll have a reasonable source of income. If the Vulcan hits the flight rate Tory wants that'd be several hundred million trickling back to BO. It's not likely to happen, but it's technically possible. That's also not self-sufficiency since most of that is going to get rolled back into New Glenn development.

Maybe once New Glenn is flying the can call themselves self sufficient, but what you really want to do is recoup your development costs and I don't even know if that's possible at this point. It's unlikely to ever be possible with New Shepard, and the rest of Blue's programs aren't run with any greater efficiency. They just move too slowly and spend too much money treading water on things when they need to be moving forward.

>>14870093
Will Rocket Lab be the only one capable of competing against SpaceX? I feel it is too late for other new space startups to get going now.

>>14869727
Anon it's the kikes that made the US do all that shit

>>14870077
To be honest, at VLEO it isn't that big of a worry.

>>14870103
Jews made the US create a global white-supremacist apartheid state with the US sitting at the top where all nonwhites were second-class humans on Earth? Your timeline sounds even crazier than ours.

>>14870121

>>14869571
We are Gaa-ACK

>>14870121
>global white-supremacist apartheid state
Which timeline is this?
In ours every nation here (except new judea) is slowly being turned brown and gay

>>14870125
His, apparently.

>>14869727
>>14869742
>>14870121
>>14870123
>>14870125
Can we launch the /pol/ tourists into the sun?

>>14870141
>/pol/ tourists
I'm sorry but I've been here from the very start
What? You think mars will be a commie utopia?

>>14870143
Mars is unironically going to be run by lolbertarians because every other ideology is too low IQ to get there.

Can't wait.

>>14870147
Oh god Martian tollroads

>>14870147
>lolberts
Sorry 105 IQlet, the 135 IQ ultra-nationalist turbo autist engineers are gonna run mars

>>14870150
Doubt it. Ethnonationalism simply isn't going to work because you don't have a good space program without Changs and Pajeets.

>>14870143
>What? You think mars will be a commie utopia?
No because it doesn't work
It would probably be more like a war economy at the start since everything would be scarce and depending on expensive machinery to survive, and would probably have a lot of military personnel as usual for space flight.

>>14870153
They're so vital that Starbase has all of theirs completely hidden away to keep them safe.

>>14870155
I imagine it more like early North American colonies. De facto self governing, but not truly a free market due to the small scale and dependency on the motherland.

Basically mercantilism.

>>14870155
>have a lot of military personnel
Brainlet spotted
Pilots aren't gonna build a complete supply chain from the ground up on a different planet that requires re-engineering every single machine due to a lack of resources like water

>>14870147
>lolbertarian hops into a starship to live his frontier dream on Mars
>arrives at the colony and finds out all resources are rationed by an authority
>"wtf they lied to me this is bullshit"
>"good luck getting air to breathe without our million dollar machines, now get to work or get the fuck outta here"

>>14870093
>>14870095
Project kuiper won’t help blue much because I bet Amazon will literally pay spacex if it means their satellites can get to orbit faster- and spcex will be the only one who can deliver at the price and quantity they need. (Project kupier needs to get lots of satellites to orbit in a specific timeframe or their fcc spectrum auction gets voided, so Amazon will get desperate (due to delays of be4 and Vulcan) and fly many with spacex).
I’m bearish on rocket lab- slower and more expensive than spacex, and without the side businesses (like starlink) to help the finances.

I think orbital launches will be a natural monopoly (for spacex)- it’d take any other company or nation ~20 years, thousands of the best people, and many billions of dollars to have a chance to replicate what spacex did (and as Blue Origin shows, no guarantee of success). And that’s a moving target- in a few years spacex will be even further ahead and the functional barrier to entry will get harder and harder to overcome. In some ways it’s like the turbine industry- China and Russia are still maybe 20ish years behind the west on jet engines, and it’s not for lack of trying. I think rocket engines are even harder than jet engines (turbines are just one of many very hard engineering problems to solve in a rocket).

>>14870149
*maglev railroads

>>14870174
>Amazon will literally pay spacex if it means their satellites can get to orbit faster
They had a chance to do that, and instead they chose to buy out all the potential launch capacity of the Ariane 6, Vulcan, and New Glenn. The ideal time to ink a contract with SpaceX was months ago, before they made a deal with everyone else. Those deals will have more than a few unpleasant clauses set to trigger should Amazon decide to back out in favor of someone else. SpaceX is probably the only LSP that can get Kuiper to orbit on time, but legalese is as binding as physics in these sorts of things.

Kupier will help Blue if it provides the same ability to max out New Glenn's launch manifest the way Starlink does for Falcon 9. As every launch is revenue. If Blue Origin has any hope of truly becoming profitable New Glenn is going to need to do most of the work by launching things.

Rocket engines are a classic Chinese weakness, but they are making headway. The biggest constraint is that all of their launch programs have been managed within the amorphous blob of the PLA. Technical talent grows technical talent, but it grows the best under free-market conditions. Whether or not a project succeeds it produced a new crop of experienced engineers who spread out into the industry at large. SpaceX has done an excellent job of this; look at all of the newspace companies that were either founded by SpaceX vets or filled out their payroll with them. China can't mimic this because all of their "newspace companies" are all using modified hardware originally designed by the military, and the military has to much say about where that tech and talent can end up. That said, they are (slowly) growing their talent pool and the 2nd gen. Long March rockets are a few years from hitting their stride.

Russia doesn't have a chance because all of their good talent has spent the last thirty years fleeing to America as fast as we could convince them to get visas.

>>14870174
>>14870222
Kuiper needs to get 1600 operational satellites to orbit by 2029. Blue won’t have the capability to build enough be4 engines for new Glenn or Vulcan. I mean they said they’d have the engines flight ready by 2017 and they still won’t by 2023… I don’t think it’s a stretch to say 6 more years to figure out a production line and testing of dozens of these engines might not actually happen. If it’s a choice for Amazon of reneging on a few billion in launch contracts or possibly get locked out of orbital satellite network business with a TAM of many billions of dollars, I think Amazon will choose to use spacex.

>>14869909
>Gwynne wearing that low cut tank top with those huge honkers
Good lord

>>14870023
WE. NEED. MORE. NON-BINARY. HURRICANE. INCLUSIVITY.

>>14870253
Anon... that's not Gwynne that's Madam de' Amazonness (la futa)

>>14870095
>>14870093
They're also spending insane amounts of money on factory expansion down at Roberts Road. Basically try to one up SpaceX in physical building scale and infrastructure. I have suspicions that they basically want to get to a certain point where they can get a Disney type contract from Florida, where they get loads of free money and zero tax optionality in return for "developing aerospace cargo delivery projects" or some bullshit of the sort. They have enough physical floor space across Florida and Alabama that they should be able to do multiple new glenn and new shepard flights annually. But they're not doing that, and trying to double or even triple their footprint. It doesn't make any sense absent of such a strategy detailed above.

>>14870250
Can't they use Neutron when it gets operational?
And wouldn't Amazon buying SpaceX launches hurt Bezo's ego?

>>14870270
>Can't they use Neutron when it gets operational?
Maybe. Kuiper sats are BIG.
>And wouldn't Amazon buying SpaceX launches hurt Bezo's ego?
That is in fact the reason they didn't do it.

>>14870222
>Russia doesn't have a chance because all of their good talent has spent the last thirty years fleeing to America as fast as we could convince them to get visas.
Or has inexplicably fallen down stairs or fallen out of windows. Nice trips and good post.

>>14869632
Yes

>>14870277
>That is in fact the reason they didn't do it.
They will probablöy have to decide sometime in 2024 wether they can do it without SpaceX, or bite the bullet and buy launches.
But who knows, maybe they'll fly New Glenn by 25 and get it into service by 26.

>Updated hurricane path
I think they can make it. NASA's gotta hustle though.

>>14870283
>Or has inexplicably fallen down stairs or fallen out of windows
Those are just stress-related suicides due to the threat of NATO attacks on Mother Russia.

>>14870303
The chechen with the goat gets me every time.

>>14870270
>>14870250
Bezos is a major shareholder of Amazon but no longer CEO. I bet he’d get successfully sued by the shareholders if they don’t end up using spacex. The potential upside of being the second player in LEO satellite megaconstellations is too juicy to deny for mere ego. Jassy will need to do (the needful) to avoid getting sacked.

Neutron will get 9,000 kg to LEO (reusable) vs 17,000 kg (reusable) for falcon 9. So it will need to be have almost half the per launch costs as falcon9 to even compete. I think it’s a big mistake to go after falcon when falcon will be made obsolete by starship. The best move is to build capabilities that get stronger if you can launch on starships. Like relativity- their 3d printed stuff is going to kick ass in orbit and on Mars and the moon.

The SLS effigy that I'll burn on launch day (if that ever comes)
Still needs RS-25s, paint, and assembly, but it approaches adequacy

>>14870267
Wouldn’t it be funny if they’re empty factories again? https://spacenews.com/blue-origin-opens-rocket-engine-factory/
Pro tip: they are.

>>14870150
for a short while, then jews will inevitably take over.

I've had a thought.

SpaceX announced their partnership with T-Mobile a while back.

With V2 Starlinks having capability to connect directly to cell phones, does that mean they can act as spy sats and intercept phone calls from space as well?

>>14870336
sheeeit

>>14870336
Starlink V2 basically spoofs a cell tower, such that anyone using that specific spoofed tower will have their messages be sent over Starlink.

Regardless of whether its TMobile or not, if Starlink spoofs an antenna of their choosing (targetted), then they can get the data.

>>14870315
Did you source the wood from at least three different congressional districts or are we gonna have a problem here?

late night autism question but does anyone know if using rail a la soyuz has any distinct advantages/disadvantages over something like a crawler? Just wondering if there’s any justification to still using rail in the modern aerospace sector, or if it’s just a leftover product of the soviet era

>>14870348
They said the connection would be verys low bandwidth, whih should result in phones avoiding the starlink 'tower' and going for the terresttrial real tower simply becasue it's closer.
So they'd have to use something to actively make phones go for the Starlink.

Or just use Starlink to keep track of all traffic rom a certain device

>>14870368
You get a certain amount of automatic positioning of parts, no fiddling around with SPMTs.

In the case of Soyuz, the entire rocket was designed to be transpoerted around by rail, so it'S a legacy thing.

>>14870369
Or just JDAM all the cell towers in the area.

>>14870362
Actually, yes. That's three different conifers harvested in three different parts of the US.

>>14870401
Excellent. I'm authorizing a budget of $250,000 for this.

Keep up the good work.

>>14870401
If I'm not mistaken, the hydrolog is doug fir, the solids are southern yellow pine(yes, from alabama) and S2 is white pine.

what does /sfg/ think of tethered rings? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVygC6tnOmQ

>>14870369
txt msg
low voice calls

>>14870413
Megastructures are for when megatons of material needs to be moved from/into orbit each day

>>14870413
>how to save 19 trillion dollars

>>14870411
Two out of three! Upper stage (and the flare-out on the SRBs because I forgot that feature on the lathe) is spruce.
Some very poor-turning spruce, I might add.

>>14870413
another to teh list of pipe dreams

>>14870413
Specifically regarding Earth- why?

>>14870421
they have a little simulation on their website that acts like you can set the diameter to be arbitrarily small. that got me hopeful that maybe there was a way to do smalltime rings that wouldn't be a logistics nightmare but then they have a pdf from this year saying the diameter is "generally specified" to be larger than 50% of the planet's so i'm guessing you can't actually do that.
>>14870441
because i want to ride a space train

>>14870444
If you want a space train build maglevs on the moon or Mars.

>>14870444
But why provide so many Earthers a way to leave?

>>14870463
for false hope when they meet the X-Ray Free Electron Laser at the top.

nasa should trigger the FTS now i am sick of waiting

>>14870057
>Sure they can do it. But the consequence is an angry, justified full nuclear response.
That's bullshit the US has had drones, airplanes and nearly a whole ship destroyed and they didn't do shit. Several Starlinks could realistically be destroyed before there's an all out war.

I was warned, you earthers could be here.

>>14870635
Mayhaps.

>>14870758
ghastly

>>14870758

>>14869594
>how will SpaceX keep their astronauts sane for 6 months in one of their "Starship fleet?"
That's the fun part, they won't

https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=N-r4pPrHarw

>>14870887
>>14869633
kek, pinbackerposting

>>14869618
>man can now create gravitational forces at will
>congress immediately mandates using the technology to increase gravity on earth, successfully making an SLS redesign necessary
>the next 100 years

>>14869659
>>14869669
There’s no need to do something drastic like removing the government of Iran. A strategic bombing campaign that traps every person in Iran indoors for 444 days and nights would be fine.

>>14869694
In Japan it’s already SRS

>>14870072
I’ve seen photos suggesting BO has made true breakthroughs in dildo design.

>>14870311
>make tens of billions of dollars in profits every year
>get sued because you’re not profitable enough
Also, who would find it worth their time and money to sue Jeff, who has billions to burn?

>Antoniadi's use of the Meudon refractor (often called the 33 inch) added to a growing body of evidence from astronomer's around the world using large telescopes that were not seeing the canals of Mars. There was a counter-theory that small telescopes, in which the canals could sometimes be seen, were somehow better than larger telescopes, in which the canals could not.
lmao

>>14871183
It's odd that there were people still clinging onto the Martian canals theory in the 1960's before Mariner imaged Mars.

>>14871191
What a let down that must have been lol

>>14871183
Martian canals are real, you’ve seen it through the 15cm telescope. I don’t see any theory for dead mars except that they build the Mariner and image it from orbit and that becomes the new data. It’s not that easy in astronomy

>>14871208
Imagine seriously believing, and being backed up by many of your contemporaries, that actual alien ruins (or possibly a surviving civilization) exists right here in our own solar system, close enough to see traces of with a backyard telescope, just waiting to be reached out to and touched.
What a magic world.

>>14871013
you think youre funny wise guy?

>>14871224
>dejah thoris will never lay your egg while you watch
its not fair bros

https://blogs.nasa.gov/artemis/2022/09/24/artemis-i-managers-wave-off-sept-27-launch-preparing-for-rollback/
>NASA is foregoing a launch opportunity Tuesday, Sept. 27, and preparing for rollback, while continuing to watch the weather forecast associated with Tropical Storm Ian. During a meeting Saturday morning, teams decided to stand down on preparing for the Tuesday launch date to allow them to configure systems for rolling back the Space Launch System rocket and Orion spacecraft to the Vehicle Assembly Building. Engineers deferred a final decision about the roll to Sunday, Sept. 25, to allow for additional data gathering and analysis. If Artemis I managers elect to roll back, it would begin late Sunday night or early Monday morning.

So SLS isn't going to launch on the 27th but they not going to actually decide that it's not going to launch until the 25th.

>>14871250
forgot pic

>>14871255
I think the decision they are making is “do we leave it out or roll it back in”

>>14871208
It wasn't very common anymore in the 60's. This magazine clipping from 1956 on Mars' close approach doesn't seem to share that belief

>So far photographs have not been able to give such highly detailed images of Mars as drawings made with the naked eye. This is due to the disturbing effect of the atmosphere during the exposure time. On the other hand there is a threat of imagination creeping into the drawings of even the most critical mind. Lowell's drawings of Mars from 1894-1907

>>14871255
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BN1WwnEDWAM

>>14871286
Man, just think about how lucky we are having been born around the era of early probes and the voyagers and new horizons. For the longest time everyone knew there were giant planets out there orbiting alongside Earth, but no one knew what they looked like aside from little blips in a telescope. You’d be able to see Mars and Jupiter and Saturn—but just barely. Seeing neptune and uranus for the first time must have been so cool. I’m glad we have been blessed to have lived through seeing pluto for the first time

>>14871224
Is that an FTS system on a crew vehicle...?

>>14871255
>waiting until the literal last second so employees have no time to prepare their own homes for the hurricane

>>14871313
Where?

>>14871255
I told you they dont have enough time. this will be the worst hurricane since well ever

>>14870222
>Russia doesn't have a chance because all of their good talent has spent the last thirty years fleeing to America as fast as we could convince them to get visas

https://twitter.com/TopStoryNBC/status/1572732800381652992
>At least 154 scientists at America’s top nuclear lab over the last two decades were recruited by China to conduct sensitive research, according to a report obtained exclusively by NBCNews
>Some of those projects have helped advance China’s military.

>>14871313
Hahahah I think it is

>>14871334
the spine

>>14871327
kek

>>14871359
lol remember when the pressure relief vent blew tiles off

>>14871313
>E-Elon why is there an FTS system onboard?
>this is a manned flight

>You're going to Mars

>Huh? This is a lunar mission, Elon please listen to me

>*TMI burn starts*

>ELON WHAT THE FUCK AAA

>>14871372
I was thinking Elon might actually, unironically do this. Just launch a manned mission to Mars without telling NASA he's doing it, knowing that they can't stop it when it's already underway.

>>14871372
>"Everybody reach under your seats for the new mission brief, snacks and entertainment have been provided for, no expense too great. Note that no return mission is scheduled, or will be scheduled. Make Mars yours, gentlemen"

https://twitter.com/ProjectPhysX/status/1573336339331928064

Starship belly flop fluid dynamics

Someone make a webm of this

I've been trying to figure out what food is ideal for missions to Mars and other extremely distant objects

>retort pouches are simple and efficient but heavy and what's inside is generally a goo that floats around if you let it
>freeze dried rations are light, keep forever, have good off the shelf options and allow you to recycle urine, but they're filled with powder and might be difficult to prepare in zero G
>growing your own food is difficult but enables you to recycle solid waste (admittedly gross) and prepare for longer term habitation off earth

>>14870413
oh no no no no

>>14871435
Bugs>>14871435

>>14871435
Yes to all, there should be redundancy and auxiliary food resources so that depletion of all food is next to impossible. Send freezedried MREs, send pemmican and hardtack, send flavorless nutrient hexagons, send gardeners with seeds and soil substrate. Send everything and more, then keep sending more. Never stop sending stuff, overrun Mars with supplies and equipment, litter the place with the pieces of future Martian civilization.

>>14869653
No one has the capability outside the US to destroy that many satellites or the balls to destroy US satellites

>>14871465
I was thinking this. Especially with freeze dried food and water, the self life is basically indefinite in Martian conditions and it's pretty light. You could buy 100 tons of it on the commercial market for a few million at most, and just leave that shit near the launch site just in case.

>>14869632
Not only is it OK it is the morally right thing to do. To not do so would be wrong.

>>14871474
Once dozens of Starships or more can be readied for transit SpaceX can start sending whole unmanned landing fleets carrying hundreds of tons of freeze-dried food and equipment ahead of any boots on the ground.
>>14869632
I don't acknowledge or accept the notion that Earth-law extends any further than the top of this accursed atmosphere.

>>14869653
Anon, do you think that SpaceX needs private equity? It's literally run by the richest man on earth.

>>14871478
hydrocuck rocket

>>14871491
you’re a dumbass if you think any company in modern history could simply survive off of the bankroll of one person, even IF they are the richest person at the time

>>14871487
Yeah. I think that it'll go in waves, to coincide with the orbital periods.

The first wave takes food, water, fuel, and maybe some basic machinery like fuel producing equipment, atmosphere capturing equipment, and shit like that. This wave provides proof that the machines and rockets work under Martian conditions, and helps lay the logistical groundwork.

The second wave could do more of the same, depending on how well wave one does, or it could carry people.

Third waves and onward provide ISRU capabilities and equipment like computer chips that can't be ISRU'd on Mars.

>>14871498
Bankroll and profits. Don't forget the profits.

And yeah, a ton of companies are privately owned instead of being publicly trade. It's actually becoming more common because publicly traded companies have fiduciary obligations that harm long term competitiveness.

>>14871411
>Starship belly flop fluid dynamics

>>14871499
It'll start getting real interesting when machines start getting delivered for the purpose of manufacturing on Mars. There's silica there, you can make computer chips there if you can bring enough to build the infrastructure. The long-term goal should be getting as close to self-sufficiency as possible, so that if/when Earth goes to absolute shit the colony won't have to rely on support from the old planet.

>>14871500
Private ownership doesn't mean they don't have investors, SpaceX has done multiple Private investing rounds. You can buy SpaceX shares if you have alot of money directly from SpaceX when they do a sale. I think minimum is $100000 investment. It's just not traded to the public at large.

>>14871511
I think chips would be one of the last things.

You can make air, water, steel, and plastic pretty easily with martian materials, so I imagine those four would be the basis for most industries on Mars. Especially steel, given how versatile it is when you get a simple machine shop set up.

In general, my theory is that you should never bring something to Mars if you can ISRU it, and you should never have a human spend man-hours on a task that can be automated or done remotely. So ideally 90% of economic activity on Mars would be ISRU manufactured machines performing automated tasks, to free up man-hours for tasks like research and exploration that actually require humans.

>>14869653
Believe it or not most Americans think Iran and Russia can go fuck themselves and SpaceX doing so is good PR. Maybe some investors dislike the idea but SpaceX already has more people who want to invest than whose money they want to take.

>>14871524
Sure, general material goods come first and more specialized complex items come later, once the basic infrastructure is there to support it.
>steel production on Mars
Martian Starbase shipyards when? Imagine the variant missions you could build and launch from there.

>>14871547
>Martian Starbase shipyards when?
I'm thinking 2024-2029 as a conservative window

>>14871524
> you should never have a human spend man-hours on a task that can be automated or done remotely.
technocultism. automation I can understand, although usually only after that task is widespread, but remote work? in that case you're just spending resources for no reason. If doing it by hand is cheaper and you're not interested in increasing efficiency and/or the resources required to automate are needed elsewhere, you do it by hand.

We should have three launches within a few hours this afternoon:

Delta Heavy - NROL-91
Kuaizhou 1A -
Falcon 9 - Starlink 4-35

>>14871616
I'll be at work when Delta and Falcon fly, when is the Chinese one supposed to go up? I don't see a time listed on NSF.

>>14871622
who knows? the Chinese barely give any advance notice of most of their launches, and don't announce the payload until mission success.

>>14871547
I think the most common meta would be hybrid machines.

Steel parts are made from Martian steel and produced in Martian machine shops, lighter, more complicated things like computer chips would be imported from earth. Also, the Delta V launching from Mars would be fucking crazy, so point to point rocket transportation would be really easy.

>>14871607
I'm thinking remote work for things that tolerate a 30 minute light-speed delay and can't be automated. Things like debugging software, designing new machines, non urgent medical care. There would be a cadre of people on earth who are essentially telecommuting to Mars to increase the total pool of labor available to the base.

brehs

Centaur Heavy= C3

We don't get Delta V but at least that will be cool, whenever they make it

>>14871643
Eh I’m really over ULA at this point. And it has nothing to do with Starship. Vulcan is such a let down compared to what it could have been and I feel nothing but apathy towards it.

>>14871663
Centaur V though

>>14871671
it’s not even close to ACES, it’s a neutered design.

>>14871663
I think ULA unironically has a better chance of fielding working reusables and competing with SpaceX than Blue Origin does. BO is now more oldspace than oldspace.

>>14871680
Incremental steps

>>14871682
That would require them to get rid of some parasites though

>>14869512
Was this written by ai?

>>14871631
>non urgent medical care
>ok Anon, can you open your throat and say "Ahhh"
>open mouth for 30 minutes
>ok, looks good

>>14871753
I was thinking more like

>hey, doc, are my teeth straight
>the one general practitioner on base takes an x ray
>x ray goes to dentist in Boca Chica
>dentist reads x ray, says that shit's crooked
>engineering team on earth starts working on CNC machined retainer for patient

Under the logic that man-hours on earth are essentially free compared to man-hours on Mars.

>>14871682
If ULA was an independent company. With the way thing are set up they're just a dog wearing two leashes.

>>14871761
Just have a CNC machine on Mars and make the retainer there.
Always be producing ON MARS, Earth should be relied on for as little as possible until full self-sufficiency is achieved, which should be the goal from day 1.

>>14871770
Yeah, that's what I mean

>team on earth makes a CAD file with a CNC milled retainer and tests it with an exact copy of the machine on Mars to make sure it works and doesn't cut the dude's gums or whatever
>once designing and prototyping is done, file gets sent to Mars for production

I envision there being an engineering team on earth that does nothing but design and prototype various machines to be manufactured on Mars.

>>14871761
That's not really how you build retainers; they take an impression of the teeth and use a specialized machine to build it based on the impression. I guess there are some cases in medicine where off-site teams could be useful, but it would be more like 5% of cases rather than a broad variety. Honestly automation has more potential here, since AI is way better than humans at pattern recognition.

>>14871788
I think off-site would be most useful for the brainpower part of medicine. Image analysis, diagnostics, developing treatment plans, improvising solutions to medical emergencies.

Bandwidth is way cheaper than manpower. Anything that can be automated (by humans working on earth figuring out how to automate it) or done remotely should be, to conserve the man-hours of people on Mars for absolute necessities.

>>14871791
>Image analysis, diagnostics, developing treatment plans
In 90% of cases a general practitioner would know what to do immediately (i.e. take some antibiotics and get some rest) and in the 10% of cases that don't fit that criteria then someone off planet wouldn't have too much of an advantage. Again, certainly some niche scenarios where it would be useful, but honestly AI has the potential to do more than remote work here.
>improvising solutions to medical emergencies
…with a 30 min delay even if the people on Earth immediately know what to do.

>>14871805
>In 90% of cases a general practitioner would know what to do immediately

It really depends. There are a ton of issues (GI, psychiatric, anything that requires imaging) where any competent GP is going to ask for a consult. The power of remote is that every possible type of specialist on the planet is available without needing to put all of those people on Mars or get one guy with dozens of lifetimes worth of experience.

I'm assuming another major use case for remote would be software development. If you're automating things like mining and farming (which you should) the code is going to need updating and debugging. A half hour delay is no issue if it gets you a team of American code monkeys.

>>14871811
t. has never worked on embedded hardware or distributed software systems

Debugging involves iteration, and access to the system in question, especially if it's a system dealing with physical conditions that can't easily be recreated on Earth. Debugging over a 30 minute light lag is nightmare mode.

There will be programmers on Mars fairly early on.

>>14871855
There will be code monkeys on both Mars and earth, I think. People on Mars will be more IT, people on earth will be focused on software development.

It's the same way that a company has its own IT people making sure the system works, and then the software that these IT people use is made by devs somewhere else.

>>14869323
If you look at other people called Elon, they're all giga jews from Israel.

>>14871863
Again, you don't know what the fuck you're talking about. One of the ways on site staff helps troubleshoot custom embedded software on Earth is to set up remote access for the developers to log in and take a look around in real time. You cannot meaningfully do that from Mars. It's more like a developer without a clearance trying to fix software running in a classified area based on trading messages with cleared support staff. This is a horrendous antipattern that literally no company in the US up to and including Amazon and Microsoft have ever worked the kinks out of. If there are software problems that simple on site IT can't solve on Mars, the process of fixing them will drag out over months. Martian software is going to be oldspace grade autistic slow development until this changes by having programmers on world.

Source: my own professional experience

>>14871896
I freely admit that I have no experience. I'm a humanities major who hangs out with STEM majors so everything I know is second hand.

I'm just thinking, for the amount of energy it takes to put an entire dev team on Mars, you could just build a copy of whatever it is you're trying to test and then debug it on earth and upload the finished software to Mars.

For things like automated machines, you could just physically build the machine on earth. For things like task management and communications systems, you could build a virtual version of the base. Yes, it would be idiosyncratic, but it would be ridiculously more efficient compared to feeding that many mouths in an environment where air, water, and food all have to be made from scratch.

>>14871913
gun range to raptor facility. I’m thinking based

>>14871928
Those yellow things don't go to orbit right?

>>14871940
That entire rocket doesn’t go to orbit

>>14871476
Reddit would have you fooled then. Clearly this is a PR job to make Musk look better. They wont be shipping them dishes!! EMPTY GESTURE

>>14869594
6 months is nothing, valery poliakov spent 437 days on mir and described it as "peaceful"

glory to mankind
https://arxiv.org/abs/2209.11155
>While a catastrophic event could destroy significant cultural, scientific, and technological progress on earth, early space settlements can maintain a backup data storage system of human activity, including the events leading to the disaster. The system would improve the ability of early space settlers to recover our civilization after collapse.

>>14871987
Academics are fucking retarded, pure and simple

>>14871614
>>14871624
>>14871687
LLL is real.

>>14871906
That sort of strategy exists on Earth and it is often not enough, because you can only model the faults you know about for your
duplicate system. Often the faults that appear in a running embedded or distributed system are due to properties you couldn't model or weren't aware of. Astra has (had?) a fairly complex hardware in the loop setup for testing the flight software of Rocket 3, but that never captured the fluid dynamics of propellant sloshing/leaking in the upper stage, and so it wasn't enough to stop LV0010 missing orbit.

>>14871968
Mir is also a lot smaller than Starship.

>>14869594
don't send normies

>Mars colony
Enjoy your low-gravity illnesses, I guess.

>>14872005
My expectation is that bases on Mars will constantly be in a state of debugging problems and yelling at the devs in pre-recorded messages.

Still better than going without robotractors and roboexcavators though.

Are there any companies I could work for in the US as a non-citizen that do spaceflight related things yet? If not how long will it take, like another decade before more 'commerical' non-rocket companies start existing?

>>14872023
It would be faster to get citizenship. ITAR is going to get locked down harder if anything as competition with China increases.

>>14872023
Spaceflight no, but anything space-related yes

If you're into space science for instance there's nothing there that's ITAR-controlled. I think they also took satellite tech off the list relatively recently too

>>14872036
>they also took satellite tech off the list
oh neat. I currently work in defence and was planning to get a job at once of the sat companies in a few years. If I can go straight to the US to do that, it would be cool

>>14872010
Does this look sickly to you, Earther?

Get in

Based

>>14872023
>https://www.justice.gov/crt/page/file/1080256/download

>>14872060
thank goodness they specified millimeters

>>14872058
Finally someone with my body type

>>14872060
Neckmaxxing in the third pic.

>>14872058
A bit, but I'm more worried about the internal functions than just being lanky.

>>14871940
Plenty of Asian people have gone to space

The fuhrst stawship should be name Stawship Entuhrprwise just wike my favuhrite tv show staw twek

>>14872194
how much dedodated wam does a starship need?

>>14869323
>shitty cgi of shitty rocket for OP

>>14869412
I would put them in LEO so they can get closer to the clouds

>>14872277
i like how it's going straight up

>>14869512
the solution to the first point is kilopower

>>14872291
And with SRBs in space, because of course

>>14869473
I know this has been probably discussed but what the fuck was that water deluge system test? They gonna dribble some water on the Raptor plumes?

>>14872291
Rockets have to go straight up to where there's no gravity dummy

>>14872305
This is why I love /sfg/, I always learn new things

Delta IV soon

>>14872305
you mean microgravity right????

It's almost over Vandenberg bros...

>>14872320
5 minutes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1giJrmgMAQ

>>14872327
>I know you can't feel it anon
>Trust me, it's there
>IT'S JUST THERE, OK??

>no clear stream
wtf bros ;-;

>>14872364
If a rocket launches but Clear doesn't stream it did it really happen

Kind of interesting that the high bay is like 400 yards from the launch tower

>>14872376
The building actually comes apart

>>14872354
ULA la la
Don't scrub me baby
ULA la la la
Launch me today

singles and it scrubs

>oldspace boomers are so old that every launch has to be dedicated to multiple dead employees

Damn you can tell it’s oldspace when every mission has dedications to the team members that have died of old age since the last launch lmao

>>14872399
>>14872400
kek

I mentioned a couple threads ago that the aerospace workforce is hitting its 50s and 60s, and this is what it looks like

Why is it still on the pad?
Are they scrubbing?

ADVERTISING ISOGRID

LMAO

>>14872360
Microgravity is a stupid term. either the gravity at the ISS is almost as strong as the gravity at the surface or there is no gravity there.

Oh BOTHER

>>14872379
still simpler than mobile launch tower

>>14872415
Delay until 6:25 EST because of an undisclosed technical issue

>BE-4 engines
Lol
Lmao

It's really weird seeing the stuff they blur out

ITAR is bogus

>41 launches over 20 years
Oldspace really just did absolutely nothing after the seventies, huh.

>>14872427
It was a solid gig, putting payloads into space with predictable frequency and (high) cost

The nature of the game just doesn't support that anymore

>>14872427
>SpaceX will launch more rockets this year than oldspace did in last 20 years
Embarrassing

>>14872427
The Delta II put in some serious work back in the day, but the Delta IV was never able to live up to the EELV expectations.

>>14872431
>>14872438
The performance is decent until you realize this piece of shit cost $440M for this launch.

Vandenberg bros, soon

>According to Musk, SpaceX is aiming for up to 100 launches for 2023
Can they really?
I'm starting to believe

>>14872417
>the gravity at the ISS is almost as strong as the gravity at the surface
there's no gravity there dude, we've all seen them floating about

Estronaut or ULA

>>14872449
Estronaut is just restreaming ULA, blind anon.

>>14872449
ALU

>>14872449
Always go with the source, why would you ever watch Estronaut to begin with?