/sci/ - Science & Math

>>14869301
>the higher ranking the scientist is
In science everyone is at the same level

All part of the he long march through the institutions

>>14869386
Or atleast this is how i see it

long work of leftist subtly infiltrated the field now average scientist is a leftard as good as an average social scientist

>>14869301
>the higher ranking the scientist is, the more political they are. Black soience man is extremely political, so is Fauci, so is Bill Nye.
Dishonest post, unless you truly believe these people are the "highest" ranking scientists.

>>14869301
lack of progress in science

>>14869397
well op dont have any scientific education and only knows pop sci garbage

>>14869397
They're regime spokesmen and Fauci was doing all the grants for NIAID.

>>14869301

I think the decline of religion as a source of 'moral guidance' and social policy has meant science is now the only source of guidance for government policy. Science has been taken over by people with political agendas who want to use biased science to lobby for public policies and suppress dissenting views. Science is the new religion , corrupt ,biased and hostile to dissent.

>>14869397
ok how about charles lieber?

>>14869486
Some people refer to it as "The Cathedral," which is very accurate.

>>14869486
>Science is the new religion
It's called Scientology.

>>14869486
>hostile to dissent.
peer review is constructed for the purpose of ostracizing dissenters without regard to their previous stature or their data. the intent and purpose of peer review is to enable that kind of collusion. peer review circumvents the scientific method in this way. peer review did not exist in the era before progress ground to halt. you can have peer review or science, but not both.

>>14869486

look what happened to the MDs who questioned the vaxx they were suppressed and attacked like enemies of the faith. They would have been imprisoned if it were possible.

>>14869301
>Who is at fault?
politicians who politicize science for their own political gain. thats about it, also the public that allowsthis / enables this / does not put a stop to this

>>14869506
In school, children are taught that "peer review" is the very foundation of science, the essence of the scientific method. What an incredible perversion.

>>14869390
you're a drooling idiot.

>>14869301
Whoever thought letting women into academia and government was a good idea is at fault.

>>14869490
a useful concept to be sure, but accuracy would be maximized by referring to it as "The Synagogue"

>>14869805
True. It's more accurate to the origin.

>a so-called 'non-profit' sues a politician
that isn't a non-profit
it's an illegally organized PAC funded by election fraud criminals
talk about people that should be doxx'd by the MSM
it's a political scandal to do this, yet the Democratic party does it in order to HUMILIATE and TERRORIZE the American people because they have bought into a racist anti-American vision for the USA and the American people

>>14869301
scientists lie. thats why. they lied through the pandemic and should never be trusted.

You're talking about bullies that enter politics.
If you're a scientist, it's considered unfair to take shots at politicians or the family members of politicians.
Nevertheless, many bullies claim to be
>scientists
and enter an arena filled with bullies, politics

>>14869877
you mean the vaccine companies paid people to call themselves 'scientists' while shilling for the vaccine
the suggestion is that the vaccine companies were competent enough to tell who is and is not a scientist...were they??
did the vaccine companies hire genuine scientists, or did they hire glorified sign-twirlers in lab coats??

>>14869301
science should be politicized openly
it's more honest than pretending science
is beyond politics

Having been on 4chan for 12 years, I've come to the conclusion that you should always do the opposite of what 4chan recommends.

For this reason, I am triple vaccinated, I believe in global warming, I vote straight ticket democrat, and I unironically believe that "trust the experts" is a more intelligent, responsible way to understand the world than "trust some retard off of 4chan" for the 99% of people that don't bother to do real research.

https://twitter.com/jobliguts/status/1548992593605918720/

>>14869397
The are prominent in the public eye.

Bill Nye and DeGrasse were actually implanted into peoples' minds in childhood. It's optimized propaganda.

>>14869510
>They would have been imprisoned if it were possible.

Some of them had their licenses revoked...

>>14869396
>long work of leftist subtly infiltrated the field now average scientist is a leftard as good as an average social scientist

THIS.
Modern Healthcare is not science. You can't repeat anything.

>>14869301
>Why has science become so politicized?
Drug and pharma companies sell Trillions $ of dollars of useless drugs that pretty much don't help anyone.
They then kick back to the non-gov organizations like CDC to push their drugs.

>>14869301
Bill Nye isn't a scientist, he's a "science guy"

>>14869301
>the higher ranking the scientist is, the more political they are.
ranking?
scientists aren't ranked lol
science isn't like this

>Black soience man
primarily an entertainer
>Fauci
doctor/politician
>Bill Nye
entertainer only, has never been a scientist

>Those are about the three biggest names in conventional, mainstream, contemporary science.
no they're absoutely not,
you ean "best know to teh public", maybe.

>>14870140
>no true scotsman
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fallacies

>>14869301
>the higher ranking the scientist is, the more political they are.
Maybe in terms of their position in a bureaucratic structure or in public awareness, certainly not in terms of their competence.

>>14869574
>the public that allowsthis / enables this / does not put a stop to this
so you and 99% of the rest of this board 2 years ago?

>>14870018
see this is why you are a moron, I dont "trust" anyone. I look at the fucking data mouth breather

>>14870018
>for the 99% of people that don't bother to do real research.
I doubt you are smart enough to realize how ironic this is

>>14869301
Because right wing retards got psyop‘d from Russians and environment polluting companies into disbelieving science.
>inb4 someone posts a cropped out newsblog popsci article without a link where the author incorrectly interprets some study which right wing retards take as „proof“ that science is somehow wrong

>>14870018
>I unironically believe that "trust the experts" is a more intelligent, responsible way to understand the world than "trust some retard off of 4chan"
Anonymous posters on the internet is the only thing lower than trusting corporate propaganda. Congratulations, you are barely sentient and only come out on top when compared to imaginary strawmen. lol

>>14870672
you dont even know who George Soros is stfu you simple minded fucktard

>>14869510
>be retarded antivaxxer
>make retarded claim with zero actual data backing it up
>get called a retard
>DIS BE CANCEL CULTURE

>>14870672
>spewing insane conspiracy theories
Take your meds. You are clearly suffering from climate anxiety.

>>14870018
Probably a reasonable enough approach.

>>14870676
He‘s close to dying, that‘s what he is.

>>14870676
Soros is Zelensky's uncle

>>14870672
>>14870677
imagine being this fucking stupid

>>14870677
>>14870672
imagine trusting these fucking people who are responsible for destroying millions of families and causing millions of deaths and saying someone else got psyoped. Stupid gorrila nigger

>>14870683
And let me guess, sub-75% white 15% muslim Russia is somehow saving da white race from the ebil globohomo vaxxers despite Jewtin being a massive shill for his own shitty covid vaccine?

>>14870684
>>14870687
Should‘ve guessed that someone will also post long ass texts from schizo newsblogs. Still waiting for that Great Reset m8.

>>14870691
>schizos
eat shit and die jew

>>14870691
the insider and common sense arent blogs you fucking retard

>>14870696
Never even heard of them before. Very credible lmao

>>14869301
because is the new and most influencial religion

>>14870701
The insider is one of the most prestigious and trusted financial publications on wall street. you never heard of it because you are poor and stupid

>>14870705
Says the retarded antivaxxer. Did you know that NY and Wallstreet have significantly higher vaccination rates than most other states?

>>14870708
suck shit out of my asshole until you choke

>>14869301
>lately
right this is true, it has become a cult like institution, and a tremendous amount of shills infested this board, all not while ago.
science has become the perfect political instrument to justify everything that religions can't, what things you ask? any social convention that will destroy society, any degenerate world perception that will distort the current and upcoming generations, zoomers would believe anything the government say will participate in any medical experiment and will definitely inject a micro circuit in their spine.
science is abused by politics and yes this is started not while ago, same with those fucking shills and the wef declarations

>>14869884
it doesn't matter. scientists didn't say shit to stop it.

>>14870708
btw if you are going to be a blatant shill, just spitting out non sequtirs while not acknowledging valid points or looking at the sources outs you instantly as acting in bad faith you stupid kike. But f course you are monitoring and shilling on 20 threads/conversations at a time on 4 different websites. Who has time for that right?

>>14870709
All that shit comes out your front, antivaxx retard.

>>14870719
You should take your schizo meds.

>>14869301
Weak people not standing up for the moral good.

>>14870689
Looks like it makes you angry when you see someone mention that Soros is Zelensky's uncle. Whats being a jew like?

>>14869388
based and gramsci pilled

Since Copernicus science has been political.

Those people are free to think what they want, and so are we. They may claim to have authority on the subjects they talk about, but that doesn't make them infallible. We very well could be wrong in the eyes of somebody else.

>>14869301
Scientists have always been professional liars and whores working for Satan.

>>14871114
How do you know any of those are wrong?

>>14871175
>circumcision good
Oy vey

>>14869301
It hasn't. Leftism is just scientifically proven to be better than right wing pseudoscience. Stop being a bigot FFS

>>14870667
>>14870670
>>14870675
If you actually are rational instead of psuedo-rational, you have to account for human irrationality and ignorance.

Yes, it would absolutely be better if everybody gained a basic degree of scientific literacy, researched publicly available sources, and came to their own conclusions independently. But that simply isn't going to happen. The majority of people will base their worldview on thirty second soundbites that they absorb from cable news, social media, or second hand. This will not change regardless of how much you want it to.

There are 24 hours in a day, nobody has time to be an expert in everything. When you step into an elevator, you don't inspect the elevator yourself, you just trust that somebody else did. Similarly, modern societies rely on specialists to research and understand issues on behalf of the individual. Rejecting this reality is juvenile and pointless, it will continue to exist whether you want it to or not. A mature approach involves managing the principal-agent problems that come from having society rely on scientific experts.

Of course, you dumbasses probably don't even know what a principal-agent problem is.

>>14871199
This board is a battlefield, and, in a way, what science truly is, a bunch of people holding different beliefs and different ideas of what science is insulting each other.
Your rationality is not above those you called dumbasses, just admit you are just defending your precious corrupt academia and knowledge just like Gollum trying to hold onto his precious. Those you insult are at least tearing down this false religion and idol that is modern science.

>>14871230
Your opinion is not equal to somebody who holds a PHD in a STEM field and does actual research. In the same way that if there was a trial, the people who actually saw what happened get called to testify and you don't.

You can cry about it, but the basic fact remains. You have no qualifications other than the ability to repeat narratives that other people have created, the same as "TRUST THE SOIENCE" liberals. The only difference is that you chose a worse source to mindlessly parrot.

If you don't actually do the work, your opinion has no more value than any other retard who didn't do the work.

>>14871242
Having good grades and a PHD means little more than being able to do some magic tricks like a dog in a circus.

>>14871199
>you have to account for human irrationality and ignorance.
I did account for your subhuman level of intelligence by rejecting propaganda directed at drones like you, because I know you and your likes have no function and no place in the future and are therefore set for extermination.

>>14871320
No, somebody who does well designed research is objectively better than some fag that doesn't. You may have grown up in a generation where everybody gets a trophy, but believe me, you aren't special, and people with actual measurable accomplishments have opinions that are significantly more likely to be correct.

>>14871332
>I want to be important
>but I don't want to do any actual work
>I know, I'll spam buzzwords on the internet
>they'll respect me then

lol no fag

>>14871357
Objectivity does not exist in the realm of man. Everything you deem objective comes from your very subjective brain.

>science
>not political

Science has been political since Galileo was put on trial. Anyone who thinks otherwise is a retard. Read a fucking history book for once.

>>14871364
Babies first solipsism. Haven't seen that one before.

Here's a PROTIP: science is built on the premise that there are objective, measurable facts about the world and human beings can discover them. If you don't buy into that, you aren't a scientist, you're some faggy liberal arts major.

>>14871395
Galileo the freemason deserved punishment for his lies and crimes.

>>14871403
Sorry reality does not equal your perception of reality. Stop being so soliptic. Objectivity only belongs to Jesus. A baby may be a mass of cells to you but not to me. It is God's creation.
This world would be better off without child murderers liberals like you who support abortion.

>>14871412
Counterpoint: you talk like a hysterical woman and your opinions are objectively less valuable than people who actually measure things and look for answers based on evidence instead of feelings.

No amount of crying will change this.

>>14871419
Sorry abortion is child murder, if you had been aborted, you would have died. How many children have you murdered, mr scientist?

>>14869301
Branding Public Health as a science was a big mistake, public health is not science.

>>14871425
I'm torn on abortion, on one hand, I support child murder on the other had I am against women having rights.

>>14871425
>retard gets BTFO
>starts crying, posting schizo rants and posting gore

It's the champagne of victory.

>>14871433
>>14871441
Just like 99% of science believers, you support child murder yet claim to be "morally superior" to conservatives.
Plebbit is where liberals left wingers like you belong, 4chan is for far right extremists. Your subjective objectvivity is not objectivity, that only belongs to our Maker.

>>14871450
Is it really trolling if you're the one getting mad?

>>14871441
>The projection

>>14871454
lol cry more fag

>>14871458
>>14871453
>No arguments

>>14871450
>left winger
>against women's rights
Try again 2016 immigrant, 4chan laughs at the whole of humanity. If anything it is extreme centrist.

>>14871495
Left wingers hate it when women stay in the kitchen, they hate for women to be loving, caring housewives. Go to plebbit, there is a safe space for you there so you can express your disrespect for women despite being given birth by one.

>>14871495
>murdering children, especially the gentile ones is the way to go!
You control reddit, go there with you friends, rabbi.

>>14871519
No, the black ones, which make up most abortions in the US. Abortions are the only think keeping their population from growing.

>>14871528
>Murdering children is okay as long as it's black!
Pagans neo-nazis are pathetic. You always end up fighting for globohomo. Hitler would have been ashamed of you. He did not even try killing jewish children. Don't tell me you believe in the Holohoax?

>>14871559
Hitler was a controlled opposition Zionist who lead to creation of Isreal. Christianity is globohomo. You are globohomo

>>14871528
>Abortions are the only think keeping their population from growing.

Yeah at the cost of screwing you over smoothbrain. You idiots are nothing more than cartoon villains.

>pushed the war on drugs on blacks only for it to fly right back in the face of whites with the opioid epidemic.
>pushed abortion on blacks only for it to fly right back in the face of whites with their birthrate plummeting.
>pushed redlining of houses by banks on blacks only for it to fly right back in the face of whites with multi-million/billion corporations like Blackrock teaming up with said banks to buy up all the affordable housing so now most people have to pay +$2k a month in renting instead.

Everytime you dolts do something to blacks it always bites you back in the ass years later. You fuckers deserve everything you get it.

>>14871781
blowback implies it's against the same people implementing those policies, but Jews aren't White.

>>14871567
Hitler wasnt controlled opposition retard stfu

>>14871450
listen to you stupid fucking flat earth fucktard you have to go, leave this board and stop posinging the well with your retardation

>>14869301
Judges and politicians are also supposed to be honest but everyone has accepted they can be corrupt.
Scienrists can also be faulty human beings, so why do people assume they all have to be honest? Because it's their job? That is naive.

>>14871395
mfw the church was right

>>14872238
Oy vey

>>14869397
you dare question the science hierarchy?

>>14872741
son you idiots on this board not even heard of the MM experiment before I told you about it and it had nothing to do with flat earth or the earth being in moition. You morons also never even heard of the freemasons before I told you about them. See this is what dumb people do, you have confirmation bias. You were always fucking stupid and wanted to use science to "debunk science" to beleive in you mormonic jewish nigger tier knock off bible. Someone way smarter than you (me) showed you have been lied to by nefarious groups throughout history but you too stupid to figure out what you were lied to about so you just pick and choose from your kiked scriptures. Just because the masons are controlled by the elders of zion at the top doesnt mean every mason who ever lived in history was a lying fraud. Most times in fact just the opposite. Controlling people you want to destroy doesnt work very well if they know who you are and what you are doing.

You are an imbecile who got psyoped to poison the well and make people like me look as stupid as you, they want people to lump someone like me and someone like you into the same category. You are fucking stupid and need to fuck the fuck off back to your retarded facebook group with the other retarded boomers

>>14872759
It takes a special kind of schizo to believe you were the first person to mention freemasons on 4chan. Godspeed you crazy fucker.

>>14872759
So is the Earth moving?

>>14872759
If you oppose freemasons, why do you support their spinning globe Earth?

>>14869301
>Science sure has become politicized lately.
Science has always been political. The more recent problem is that it's become almost exclusively commercial, meaning science has gone in a way that probes less into the origin and diversity of life and more into how to sell it.
This leads to higher incentive to create fraud, like with the Alzheimer's research scam.

>>14872763
I didnt say 4chan. I said here, as in /sci/. Also mentioning something doesnt mean you know anything about it. So take your strawman and shove it up your double digit IQ ass because all my posts in the archives and I never say anything I cant back up with the facts kiddo

>>14872763
>falt earth retard who cant figure the reason the constellations in the southern hemisphere are different from the ones in the northern hemisphere is because the planet is round calling someone else schizo
peak /sci/ right here

>>14872775
What the fuck are you babbling about retard?

>>14872784
I dont believe the earth is flat.
Also I'm gang stalking you.

>>14872787
FLAT EARF, take the retard pill /sci/ globe tards. fuck off hack

>>14871405
t. glownigger disinfo agent

>>14872802
Oy vey

>>14872767
Let me tell you a little story mouth breather. Way back in 2015 before a mouth breathing retard like you even knew who the masons are, the flat earth psyop was very big on jewtube. I went to one of their channel and rekt them so hard with the facts and exposed them for being a freemason by the fact that pic rel was his profile pic rel (not this exact pic but one similar). Do you know why he was using a pic like this? Because he was signailing to other Masons he was a mason. Now you are you stupid and dont really understand any of this, you just get stock photos from whatever website and repost them but let me tell you why they used this photo. Because ww sideways makes a 33. !0 minutes after I rekt this fucking retard in his comments he deleted his entire channel.

So let me tell you something you fucking imbecile. You are not the crusader of truth, the warrior of god or w/e retard narrative you have in your mind. You ARE the useful idiot, YOU are what you accuse other people of because you are stupid. You are sent to muddy the waters because you are too retarded to figure out simple math and logic on your own and instead will listen to whoever gives you a little bit of truth mixed with a lot of lies just like the normies you act like you are better than and "red pilling." You are the stupid pill dispensary

>>14872821
Newton, Galileo were freemasons. Why do you support their lies?

>>14870677
>make retarded claim with zero actual data backing it up
you mean like all the "safe and effective" shit that was claimed about the experimental injection after skipping 8 and a half years worth of trials under EUAs? do you even know what I'm talking about or are you just a diversity hire nigger stuck in a "correct the record" basement somewhere?

>>14869386
only in the idealized protocol of science, not at all in the real world

>>14872821
>Some masons trying to infiltrate movements that are dangerous for them is proof flat earth is masonic.
Flawless logic. Next you will say Jesus Christ never existed and that the snake that offered Adam and Eve the fruit of knowledge is the savior of mankind.

>>14869301
jews

>>14873018
oy vey mr rabbi. You red pilled me!. Instead of caring or doing anything about white countries being invaded by non whites and destroying our history and culture to politically weaken so we cant fight back against our own enslavement I will go around forums and talk about talking snakes and flat earth like a good little moron.

fuck off and die

>>14873057
Post nose schlomo.

>>14873068
Meant for >>14873065

>>14869301

>>14872775
>mentioning something doesnt mean you know anything about it
If you learn anything on /sci/ it should be this

>>14869301
>Who is at fault?

>>14869301
Science typically becomes politicized when it results in telling others to change their behaviors/lives (climate change, covid). Contrast that with e.g. astrophysics or materials science

>>14876047
>climate change, covid
both are hoaxes, scientists willfully lie about them in order to receive financial rewards

It appears to only cause societal detriment.
https://theconversation.com/transgender-men-and-nonbinary-people-are-asked-to-stop-testosterone-therapy-during-pregnancy-but-the-evidence-for-this-guidance-is-still-murky-187672

>>14869301
what the...? CDC? Martha Stewart?

>>14876788
That is true about every scientific discipline, politicized or not.
Transgender stuff is a counterexample, so I'll also add "science with application to group identities" as frequently politicized as well

>>14869301
scientists work on behalf of government. government is fuCking faggot

>>14869386
Heard from many people on- and offline by now that academia (where a lot of science comes from) is a political and backstabby swamp

>>14869732
Pretty sure replicability is more important than politically aligned people judging the content of something they might like or dislike

>>14877116
That's not the impression a child would get from the way public schools tell it.

>>14869490
Although "The Cathedral" is a nice way to put it, the real fault is that we live in The University. Why do all politicians and CEOs, regardless of race, culture, religion, or nation come from one of five substandard American universities? You know why.

>>14869386
your rank is determined by how much grant money you get which is determined by how political your field is which is determined by how well you've convinced the government that people will die or suffer without your work.

>>14871199
Midwits always compare the soft sciences with engineering for some reason.
If the bridge builder is a quack there are clear criteria to measure his failure: the bridge will collapse.
If the epidemiologist/social scientist/climate researcher is a quack he can just chalk it up to variables outside his control while proclaiming his theory is sound and sensible beyond reproach.

>>14877239
I encourage you to listen to the specific justifications used by politicians pushing policy today.
It's always "the scientists are telling us that..."
Might as well be "the oracles have spoken".
In fact, I would be more trusting if it was.