/sci/ - Science & Math

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>pandemic occurs
>hospitals and medical services are saturated
>cancer & diseases screening appointments are postponed as a consequence
>doctors warn that we might see a surge in mortality due to this
>surge in mortality occurs
>OP's excess faggotry skyrockets
>no cure for that

>>14869064
>excess mortality in highly vaccinated countries compared to countries with low vaccine uptake
proof?

>>14869212
Yeah, it's in the link provided as indicated by picrel.

>>14869168
So why is there a correlation between countries that have high vaccination rates and strong healthcare systems, like Iceland and Spain, and extremely high excess mortality rates, and yet very low excess mortality rates in countries with low vaccine uptake as well as poorer and less-equipped healthcare systems like Bulgaria and Romania. Can you even think?

>>14869230
>Sweden pop: 10 million
>vaccines administered: 23 million
get debunked on retard

>>14869260
Can you clarify the point you're trying to make, retard? Why are excess mortality rates so high in countries like Iceland, Portugal and Spain, and so low in countries like Romania, Bulgaria and Latvia. It's a simple fucking question, and the statistical correlation is glaringly obvious. What is making people die at an excess rate of over 55% in July in Iceland, and almost 40% in July in Spain, yet so much lower in countries with poor vaccine uptake. Why is this trend almost universal? What is the explanation? Does Bulgaria simply have a super-human healthcare system that makes even that of Spain and Germany pale on comparison? Is it monkeypox? What is causing the correlation? Why are so many excess deaths occurring in the countries with the highest vaccine uptake. You have no answers, pharma-shill.

>>14869281
you tell me, retard. to make. why does the extremely vaccinated Sweden not count? why can you not read percentages?? could it be that bulgaria does in fact not have super-human accurate reporting?
hurry up and post your correlations and significance so we can laugh at you, or go back and dilate on poltwitter.

>>14869260
Sweden has about a 74% double vaccination rate. Portugal and Spain are at about 86% of their populations double vaccinated respectively. Iceland is at about 80%. Sweden, however, never implemented excessive lockdowns or mandates like the other aforementioned countries. So this is pretty consistent with the implications behind the excess mortality statistics across the EU. It is also noteworthy that excess mortality is spiking consistently between countries, during a period of low covid infection.

>>14869064
Obviously it's Dark Covid.

>>14869296
See
>>14869302

Also, anomalies in statistical trends are to be expected, as I implied, Sweden being a fairly exceptional case regarding its minimal response to the pandemic, though it is still seeing an excess of deaths during a covid low. But the trends are glaringly obvious, and only a triple-vaccinated, pharma-cultist like you would choose to overlook. Correlation doesn't always equal causation, but when there is a consistent variable, or smoke, there's probably fire. Especially when countries less equipped to deal with a wave of excess mortality report virtually no excess mortality, but some of the most medically prepared and healthy countries in the world post anomalous non-covid excess mortality rates. Try again.

>>14869302
>>14869310
Sweden has double vaccination rate in 80s. More than 22 million doses in a country of 10 million. Thrice jabbed and not dropping dead.

>>14869312
Sweden's double vaccination rate is at about 74%, and though lower than other highly vaccinated European nations, they are still experiencing excess mortality. As noted above, Sweden also took a far less aggressive response to the pandemic, not locking down or mandating vaccination. But you refuse to acknowledge the almost universal correlation of excess death in other, even more highly vaccinated countries, like Iceland, Portugal and Spain, and why it has not occurred in most EU countries with low vaccination uptake. Keep trying.

>>14869064
>What is the cause of the dramatic increase in excess mortality in highly vaccinated countries compared to countries with low vaccine uptake. Winter vagina? Climate change? I seriously want to know. No conspiracy theories please.
the red countries have more elderly population
https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/web/products-eurostat-news/-/ddn-20170215-1
it's not rocket science is it? correlation != causation
the reason we vaccinate more in Portugal is precisely because almost all families live with, or visit their elderly daily...

>>14869330
So Eastern Europe is void of elderly people? Really? That's the answer? Okay, case closed then. Move along, don't question the science, that's racist.

>>14869330
So to extend the lives of boomers 1 more year you killed tens of thousands of young people. Seems legit.

>>14869321
no its in the 80s, and according to your evidence, has the same excess death as low vaccinated countries. 2.2 vaccinations per person and the same as Bulgaria.
i'll acknowledge a correlation when you post one. hurry up and post the numbers.

>>14869330
Which age group is more likely to be double, triple, or quadruple vaccinated? Why is the excess mortality happening while covid infection, transmission, and death statistics are at seasonal lows?

how often do we have to have this thread

can conspiracy fags stay on /x/

>>14869335
No, it's at 74%, and I have already provided the EuroStat data with a usefull little link.

>>14869331
>>14869334
>age difference
>worldwide CIA jew big pharma scheme to slightly elevate excess mortality
wonder which is more likely

>>14869340
Hurry, run! Go get your 4th shot of thw 100% safe and effective vaccine! THIS TIME it will work. Trust the science.

>>14869339
why is excess mortality happening when nobody is getting vaccinated anymore?

>>14869350
Why is excess mortality happening when nobody is getting Covid anymore? When everything is back to normal?

>>14869364
see >>14869350

>>14869347
https://www.worlddata.info/average-age.php

The age difference hypothesis doesn't really stand to scrutiny. Bulgaria, Romania and the Baltic countries have among the oldest populations in Europe, and staggeringly low excess mortality rates when compared to highly vaccinated countries, irrespective of what their median age is. There's less of a correlation between age and excess death than vaccination uptake and excess death.

>>14869330
So, could it possibly be that high vaccination rate among... wait for it... the ELDERLY is responsible for the dramatic increase in excess deaths across highly vaccinated nations?

>>14869368
You're right, we should take this 100% safe and effective miracle vaccine every three months or so, because it works so well, for the rest of time, because if we don't we'll be crushed by a never ending onslaught of non-covid related excess mortality. Good call. Praise be to Pfizer. All hail his majesty Fauci.

>>14869371
>Bulgaria, Romania and the Baltic countries have among the oldest populations in Europe, and staggeringly low excess mortality rates when compared to highly vaccinated countries
same as Sweden lol.
Germany and Italy have older populations than them as well.

>>14869391
if only you could prove this excess mortality from vaccines. maybe post the correlations and significance?

>>14869400
One country does not break a trend. That's no different than being like, yeah but I know a guy who was vaccinated and he died of covid. And the differences between how Sweden has responded to the virus, compared to countries like Germany and Italy, not to mention differences in population size and density, has already been mentioned. Address the 55% excess of mortality in Iceland of non-covid related deaths.

>>14869409
Never once have I asserted the excess mortality is caused by vaccines. I simply pointed out that there is an anomalous increase in excess mortality in EU countries that are highly vaccinated, during a low covid season, compared to countries with low vaccine uptake. That's it. You can't just in good faith ignore these statistics. There can only be so many excuses and explanations. What are they? What is the cause? But if you're intellectually honest, you'll entertain the possibility that ineffective and rushed vaccines may be a contributing factor, as a poorly engineered and rushed damn may breakdown and flood a highly populated area, no matter how much you thought you could trust the science.

>>14869409
The correlation is clearly indicated in picrel, taken from official EU statistics provided here >>14869141

>>14869400
Sweden was the only country in Europe not to follow WEF plandemic policies.

>>14869409
Maybe in 100 years Pfizer will graciously allow you to see the clinical trial data.

>>14869444
Bingo. Might have something to do with it.

>>14869437
>Never once have I asserted the excess mortality is caused by vaccines...
you're not fooling anyone, anon.
ignore what statistics? post them.

>>14869427
>Address the 55% excess of mortality in Iceland
probably has to do with all the covid they had this year

>>14869457
>>14869141
Here, you absolute fucking moron. It's been there this whole time.

>>14869168
>doctors warn that we might see a surge in mortality due to this
Who? When?

>>14869461
The vaccine must work!

>>14869461
How polite of them to wait until July to die. Either way, I guess that vaccine doesn't really work.

>>14869462
can't see any correlation statistics. post them?

>>14869335
I think the stats you're looking at is for the population above 12 years old, there it's 85.3%

>>14869469
They were infected by Dark Covid. We see excess mortality but it's not visible Covid and it's obviously not vaccines, so it must be Dark Covid.

>>14869469
yeah these vaccines are a nasty piece of work. jews programmed a time delay in them for july.

>>14869475
That was when the booster campaign started up again.

>>14869472
that's what everyone looks at.

>>14869471
I'm not doing your homework for you. You can access all the information via that link, from that page, on that website, which picrel is taken directly from, in case you are blind.

>>14869485
ah so you don't actually have any proof. really surprising that.

>>14869484
That's being disingenuous when you're talking about total vaccination rate for two doses. It doesn't really change your point at all but it's being disingenuous nonetheless, which schizos will double down hard on.

>>14869475
What do Jews have to do with anything? Are you 12? Stop trying to poison the well. Either way, what was it that did cause a 55% spike in excess mortality in Iceland in July. Any idea? Climate change, maybe? As other anon mentioned, maybe it's Dark Covid? What about the excess mortality in June, May, April, etc.? Because there was excess mortality in those months too, non-covid related.

>>14869488
He showed you the data. If you're too stupid to analyze it yourself why should he spend hours of his own time making a data visualization you'll just ignore?

>>14869494
Do you think it might be Winter Vagina?

>>14869488
No, you can click that link at any time, it's right there, we can all see it and have access to it.

>>14869497
Well, winter vagina is rare in July, but I hear covid dick is fairly common throughout the year. It might be that, but I've yet to see the data.

>>14869492
i believe that's what he posted as well

>>14869494
perhaps it is covid related, which was also created by the jews. what's your explanation?

>>14869495
>>14869498
>talks about correlations
>doesn't actually know if there is a correlation
this is why no one takes you seriously

>>14869507
Just because a virus was manipulated in a lab through gain of function research, and then leaks from the lab, does not mean the Jews were behind it. What are you, some kind of antisemite?

>>14869514
At this point, I think you might be a literal retard, and will stop responding.

>>14869525
i accept your concession

>>14869526
You're like a child with his fingers in his ears going nah nah nah I can't hear you, I WIN!!!

The real question is, will you accept the bivalent booster in your life? Do you think this time it will work?

>>14869520
there is a strong correlation between jews and labs

>>14869514
the correlation is literally depicted in picrelated you stupid faggot

>>14869531
Touche

>>14869234
.. because they already had shitty healthcare systems to begin with, genius . Advanced economies with better healthcare systems had a greater increase in excess mortality because those "better systems" were overwhelmed -- in poorer countries it didn't make as much of a difference because nobody was getting their cancer treated, or getting screened for diseases, or getting treatment for other crap to begin with so their mortality rates didn't go up as much.

Jesus, sometimes I wonder how you guys have the brain cells required to breathe, let alone type a fucking sentence. The vaccines, by every statistically metric available, DECREASED the number of deaths. You wanna get into an argument about the boosters (not the bivalent one), okay... that's a different story... but the mRNA vaccines saved lives and that's a statistical fact

>>14869545
Lol listen to this faggot

>>14869530
>>14869534
ok so I did the analysis myself. turns out the correlation is actually negative at -0.87, significant at 0.05

>>14869545
I don't even know how to respond to the idiocy of this.

If the hospitals that were so overwhelmed in wealthy countries with functional healthcare systems couldn't even prevent excess mortality coming out of the pandemic, even with miracle vaccines, shouldn't the shitty hospitals in the shitty countries that were also overwhelmed during covid, with even less vaccine uptake, also experience severe if not more, excess mortality coming out of the pandemic? Sorry dumbass, doesn't fly.

>>14869552
Okay, prove it, and also elaborate on what the fuck you're actually referring to

>>14869561
That's even if you buy into the overwhelmed hospitals narrative in the first place. Most hospitals in America were so empty that nurses were twerking to tiktok in barren ICUs.

>>14869566
I don't, of course, but I'm willing to play devil's advocate with these morons.

>>14869564
do your own homework.

>>14869573
No, you can do it for me, retard, because I don't believe you. You've been the laziest fucking person in this thread, it's time to stop being an imbecile. Show how you found that data, and what it even refers to, or go to bed and pray to Pfizer.

What is the proof that viruses exist?

>>14869580
no. you refused to post any proof for me, and so I had to find the truth myself, and unsurprisingly it turns out you were wrong.

my guess
>govt being overly protective of their 90 yo citizens because of Covid-19 in the last 2 years, now abandoning these patronizing policies

>>14869589
No, the proof was posted, you refused to even acknowledge it, and even others in this thread have pointed that out to you. You are a retard or a troll. I hope you enjoy catching covid again.

>>14869306
>"FAUCI explains: Covid-22 - new virus super-variant that entirely consists of dark matter and can't neither detected nor measured. Pfizer-Biontech vaccine scheduled for January, 2023"
How many retards would actually buy this?

>>14869597
the cherry picked colorful picture you posted isn't proof, m8. cover your ears to the truth all you want, I don't care.

>>14869590
In what ways did they protect them? Shoveling them into nursing homes riddled with covid? Preemptively sticking them on ventilators which destroyed their lung capacity if they ended up in the hospital? Pumping them with remdesivir, ehixh turned out to basically be poison, and then use them as guinea pigs for an experimental and ineffective vaccine? Wilfully and callously puting them through the most psychologically stressful period in their entire lives over a disease that is easily treayble with repurposed drugs, insisting they're literally going to die if they visit their families? When exactly were the elderly protected from anything?

>>14869603
How about you click the link the picture came from, and read the data it depicts. Oh, because that would require you to activate a brain cell, or face the reality that you are delusional. Go get boosted! Quick! Before it's too late!

>>14869605
Forcing everyone to wear an FFP-2 mask and socially distance or imposing lock-downs. All of this happened in GER in 2021. Now no one cares because of the 'kraine and the elderly who would have died two years ago are dying off now.

>>14869609
But those measures clearly did nothing to protect anyone, but certainly exacerbated the panic and collateral.

>>14869609
Why didn't they die then? Why are they dying now?

>>14869612
My guess is that these measures "worked" in as far as they helped 90yo people to live another year. Of course, these measures are in no way reasonable to the total havoc that they wreaked.

>>14869616
>they didn't die then because of social distancing, masks and lock-downs
>they die now because there is no social distancing, masks and lock-downs, anymore (i.e. Covid-19 and other diseases now spread normally again and the elderly die off)

>>14869634
Is the pandemic over in Germany too? Biden said it's over in the USA, thank the lord.

>>14869634
So there's a year-to-year 37% excess mortality rate in Juky 2022, of all age groups, in Spain because no more social distancing, masks, and lockdowns? This is non-covid excess mortality as well, not that it matters, because covid is at a seasonal low, and most of the population is vaccinated anyways. What is the elephant in the room. An excess mortality rate in one month in the middle of summer in a healthy and developed nation is extraordinary by any metric.

>>14869644
Not officially. But de facto, yes.

>>14869650
I don't know about Spain. The vaccines were rushed, unnecessary, a cash-grab by big pharma and power-play of the govt, but they're most likely not lethal.

>>14869679
What does not lethal mean? It only kills 1 in 100,000 of those who take it? 1 in 10,000? It will kill you, but over a period of five years? It will take 20 years off of your life because your heart was damaged unnecessarily by myocarditis at the age of 25? Your immune system is permanently compromised, but we dont
know exactly when and how you'll die? What defines or amounts to lethal when considering an ineffective treatment for a virus which, hilariously, has a less than 1% mortality rate?

>>14869709
You convinced me. It really is the vaccines. I see it now.

>>14869723

>>14869723
The problem with people like you, and the converse on the other side, is you treat it like a black and white issue. Either the vaccine is perfectly safe (whether it's effective in any way at all is another issue altogether), or everyone who took it will die within five years. It's likely not one or the other, which is why statistical anomolies such as mysterious excess mortality rates across the developed world suddenly emerging post-panic that are not being reported on the way the virus-related deaths were in countries with high vaccination uptake are important to take note of. Especially considering how relentlessly these vaccines were pushed on every demographic, even on those not at risk of serious illness from covid, and even though they do not prevent infection and transmission, and that that had been known for over a year.

>>14869755
I'm dreaming, an intelligent post on /sci/

>>14869601
Probably not that many thankfully. Booster uptake is at extremely low levels. People are fed up with the bullshit but for normies it's probably too late.

>>14869755
>even on those not at risk of serious illness from covid
every covid with a spike protein (notably the first waves where vaccinations were pushed) carries a risk of whatever the vaccine can cause at a similar or higher rate
>mrna vaccine
>mrna virus
strange how the virus is natural and thus safe but the vaccine is man made thus unsafe
a large part of those excess deaths could logically be related to the breakdown of outpatient care
it could be due to covid itself (assuming you accept some vague long term consquences to the vaccine you logically have to accept such consequences to the virus itself)
>>14869064
>%
a bit misleading since all these countries have different baseline death numbers
bulgaria has a relatively higher one than for example austria (one would assume)
a far better metric would be excess death per capita corrected for age
at this point this is nothing more than a loose correlation

>>14869064
its simple: we vax the batman.

why do you care about teh fate of vaxcattle anon? let em go

guess the country

>>14869848
>at a similar or higher rate
Lower or none according to all peer reviewed literature.

>>14869880
>unironically posting this
please think for yourself for a moment
what % of covid vs vaccinated experience:
>hospitalization

anyways, take a look at
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8721906/

>>14869848
there's a difference between getting a virus containing said spike protein naturally through your nose, and having your immune system deal with it, than arbitrarily having a vaccine injected into you encoding your cells to produce the most harmful part of the virus for a still indeterminate amount of time, and allowing it to circulate throughout your organ systems causing god knows how much damage, with the sole purpose of immunizing yourself against a virus which has already evolved to evade immunity. If everyone is going to get covid (and everyone will), why also flood your body with outdated covid shrapnel? Just get the disease, and move on with life

>>14869892
how many people hospitalized "with covid" were hospitalized within the first two weeks of their first shot, and classified as unvaccinated?

>>14869893
the virus also encodes your cells to produce all of the proteins that the virus consists of including the spikes
and obviously an actual viral infection produces higher rates of viremia than the vaccine
it has to be said that % of people who experienced sequalae happen to them after the vaccine is significantly lower than % of people who experienced sequalae after covid (especially the first and second waves where the virus was still relatively deadly)
>>14869898
guess the country >>14869869

>>14869848
the virus is not natural. if at this point you havent accepted that you are an absolute fucking retard

>>14869910
tell that to this absolute fucking retard >>14869893

>>14869905
why are you asking me to guess the country instead of just saying what it is? where is the 2022 data? antarctica.

>its the same thread again for the nth time
>every day since spring 2020
Does anything productive ever come from these threads?
This board fucking sucks now

>>14869905
so again, why would you get an ineffective vaccine instead of just getting the virus if it amounts to the same thing? why would you put yourself through both? dont try to argue that the vaccine is effective in any way at all. at this point you have no statistics on your side, not even hospitalization or death. the goal posts can only be moved so far

>>14869916
the 2022 data is not uploaded yet because 2022 is not over yet, i am also interested to see it even in its incomplete form
you don't think there's any value in looking at fatalities from 2021 at the height of vaccination?
>>14869922
the vaccine was very effective against the first and second variants
stop asking retarded questions

>>14869924
>the vaccine was very INEFFECTIVE against the "first and second" variants (whatever that means), and completely unnecessary
there, i fixed it for you

>>14869924
>the vaccine was very effective against the first and second variants
30% isn't "very" and that's according to Pfizer's own pronouncements. The actual clinical trial data showed a relative risk reduction of 0%.

>>14869924
but we HAVE 2022 excess mortality data to this point in the year, as provided by OP. you realize these numbers are recorded constantly right?

>>14869869
for comparison about twice as many people die in bulgaria per year at a population of about 6.8 mio
https://www.statista.com/statistics/579937/death-rate-in-bulgaria/

about 105 000 deaths in bulgaria
which really exemplifies why the % metric in the op map is useless

>>14869848
If you actually followed the link and looked at the eurostat data you'd see that the baseline mortalilty rate is taken into consideration for each country, That is, you know, if you actually looked.

>>14869928
>30%
even against omicron which was third or fourth wave i can't remember it had a higher protection than that
>https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35249272/

>>14869936
Yeah, if you clicked the link and read through the data you would see that baseline mortality is applied to these statistics, country by country.

>>14869928
see this also
>https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34551224/

>>14869936
you link to a website that requires registration to even view. thats not gonna work pal.

>>14869938
>>14869941
>Monthly excess mortality
>(% of additional deaths compared with average monthly deaths in 2016-2019)
>If you actually followed the link and looked at the eurostat data you'd see that the baseline mortalilty rate is taken into consideration for each country, That is, you know, if you actually looked.
no
it's just excess deaths over expected deaths for each country, that's all the data OP posted is

>>14869954
so why would a shit country, with a shit healthcare system, with drastically lower vaccination compliance, that faced the same deadly virus as every other country in the world, experience less excess mortality than countries with strong healthcare systems and strong vaccination compliance?

>>14869954
yes, i said baseline mortality, country by country, you retard. of course bulgaria is expected to have a higher mortality rate than spain, but why does spain, relative to its expected mortaily rate in the years pre-covid, have such high excess mortality compared to bulgaria in the years pre-covid?

>>14869958
>shit country with shit healthcare and shit everywhere
>their reported deaths are 100% reliable

>>14869969
>>14869958
i dont know, i cant come up with an explanation that fits both the OP and pic related in a satisfactory way but i guess you can

anyways guess the country >>14869869

>>14869869
>decreased deaths in younger people
>old people dying spikes up the number

wtf why do old people die?

>>14870003
Ahhh, but when those same countries report high covid infections and deaths we'll believe those numbers and use them to convince antivaxxers to get boosted up

>>14870004
Idk this kind of supports OPs argument

>>14869064
>>14870004
compare
>finland and poland
>switzerland and hungary
>spain and belgium
>sweden and croatia
>>14870029
does it really

>>14870031
Yeah I see most eastern European countries like Bulgaria and Roman with very low excess mortality rates as well as low vaccination rates and I see countries like Portugal, Denmark, Ireland, Germany, Spain, France, Iceland, norway etc. with high vaccination rates and high excess mortality

>>14870004
You are showing gross totals of vaccines administered, not who is double, triple or quadruple vaccinated

>>14870040
>low excess mortality rates

because people in those shitholes are already dying to whatever alcohol/drugs/poverty

the only difference between bulgaria and germany is the vaccination rate
how could that be

>>14870050
so why are less people dying than expected in those shitholes than non-shithole countries based on expected mortality? this has yet to be answered.

>>14870062
worse outpatient care

>>14870050
So why aren't there EVEN HIGHER excess mortality rates, you absolute fucking retard???

>>14870067
This answers literally nothing

>>14870069
because in developed countries outpatient care got disrupted by lockdowns
and in countries with less developed outpatient care there was nothing to disrupt
> you absolute fucking retard???
stop using this preprogrammed into your speech phrase already

>>14870073
This in no way addresses the excess mortality in highly vaccinated countries asopposed to countries with low vaccine compliance.

So...

What happens next?

>>14870073
Are you asserting there were no lockdowns in countries like Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania, Romania and Bulgaria? You really are fucking retarded.

>>14870081
The rope.

>>14869940
Not according to Pfizer. Aren't we supposed to trust the experts?

>>14870050
>Covid only effects healthy, obese 1st worlders

>>14869848
>a bit misleading since all these countries have different baseline death numbers
This coupled with the age differences. Of course Germany will be percentage wise more effected by covid.

>>14870082
>>14870080
the outpatient care in those states is not as developed especially care for chronic patients

>>14870081
>2021
next you look at >>14869869 and guess the country

>>14869064
Long covid

>>14869869
Interesting that 2021 saw increased deaths primarily in the 70+ range. That's different than many other countries.

Very hard to guess with what you gave us. Too many confounding factors. If I had a population to start to estimate mortality rate so I can intimate overall health of the populace, then I start having info.

But the thing to note is this goes against the trend of decreased deaths in the elderly in 2021, with increases in young.

It also escaped the pandemic essentially entirely in 2020. No indications of excesses in deaths.

>>14872418
a genuine attempt
it's denmark data

Maybe vaccines don't work and people died due to Chinese flu?Ever thought of that possibility?
I remember you faggots shitting and panicking when this started in China, maybe its time to flip opinions again?

>>14869064
Two weeks. Correlation isn't causation, etc.

>>14873411
Seems like the 2 weeks are up since all these vaxies are dropping from winter vagina or whatever.

>>14869064
so you are saying government has not statistics? faggots, as usual

>>14872723
What's 2022 showing for Denmark?

That will be fascinating to follow.

>>14874497
It's not looking good.

>>14869561
are you actually that ignorant and dumb? If a shitty country has a high mortality because severe sicknesses can't get treated well, covid, which is relatively harmless, doesn't change much. If a country has a good health system that can treat severy sicknesses like cancer well, but can't do so anymore because of covid, the death rate goes up a lot. Still the good health care system is better than the bad health care system in absolute figures.

>>14874503
Is it still primarily hitting the elderly?

>>14869168
No point in arguing with the kids. They'll learn eventually

>>14874508
But excess mortality is based on existing national averages. So a shitty country wouldn't have higher EXCESS mortality from their bad healthcare, because that's already counted in the baseline measure. Only new problems show up in this statistic.

>>14874515
Vaccination? No it's primarily hitting the young.

>>14874520
I try to remain neutral in my language, and not assume a cause, just stick to bodies.

The most disappointing part in all of this is the lack of reaction and care now that a real pandemic is presenting itself.

>>14874519
isn't that exactly the point? If absolute figures were higher in OP's pic it would be worrying, but it only shows that the health care system couldn't handle the covid cases.

>>14874527
It shows that non-covid deaths are rising to insane rates in vaccinated locales and aren't everywhere else.

>>14874530
>non-covid deaths
meaningless classification in this case. they are also non-vaccine deaths.
also: >>14870851

>>14869348
Each shot increases your immunity you retard.

>>14869064
How come no one read the paper at the start pf the pandemic that shows that the virus disproportionately targets people with European genetics?

There's a reason there's such strong denial that it's an escaped bioweapon.

What is the point of this thread? OP asks a question, gets answers, and immediately opens /pol/Dora’s Box and starts shitposting. It’s entirely in bad faith, simply looking for a fight.

I sincerely believe the following:
>the vaccines were rushed, forced, and did not help in any way to stop Covid from spreading
>the vaccines can and will continue to cause issues for a very small percentage of people that get them or get the boosters
>for 99.99% of the people that get them, they won’t cause issues now or down the line, BUT that 0.01% should not be brushed aside and governments/pharmaceutical companies need to face these anomalies and assist with correcting any damage done, if possible
Just like the virus made some people sick as a dog and some people could walk around asymptomatic, the vaccines don’t do much to most but there is a small pocket of people that were genuinely hurt by them that deserve some form of compensation or security.

>>14869848
>it could be due to covid itself (assuming you accept some vague long term consquences to the vaccine you logically have to accept such consequences to the virus itself)
false, and if it were true, the argument would run the other way around as well

>>14876608
This. I hate threads that are full of politics I disagree with, that's why I click on them

>>14876608
>What is the point of this thread?
Probably to slowly drive your narrative into the ground.

>>14869755
>it's ok, only 1/1000 will have serious health problems due to the vax
very intelligent opinion yes

>>14876619
why should vaxcattle that complied with tyranny be given any compensation for any possible negative consequences of their choices?

>>14869064
Well if you were really curious you could look into the trials surrounding the safety of the vaccines and how they were performed.

>>14876852
Or you could do further trials on the longterm effects of vaxed/unvaxxed people

>>14876881
But I could see the vaccine killing people by infecting them with a weakened version of covid that still does significant damage to your body. You would gain a better immune response against a stronger strain, but at the cost of some damage. That's my reasoning.

>>14876887
>infecting them with a weakened version of covid
that's not what the vaccines do, at least not the Western ones
instead they inject mRNA molecules which instruct your cells to manufacture the most harmful part of the virus

>>14876846
If anything, purebloods should be paid significant stipends from pharma company profits to encourage them to raise children.

>>14875557
>they are also non-vaccine deaths.
No they're definitely vaccine deaths.

>>14869723
Not him, but in Canada they’re going to allow non vaccinated to leave and enter the country without a vaccine passport and you don’t have to use a mask in an airplane. Unis this semester don’t ask for a vaccine card and next semester they won’t even talk about it. I’m unvaxxed, never died from the coronahoax, neither did my unvacced parents. Can you tell me why I should have been vaccinated? I will never forgive the globohomo elites and government for stealing 2.5 years of my life. Wish they all die painfully.

>>14876591
please explain how antibodies created for two-year old variant can be helpful now

>>14877073
The two-year-old variant still makes up some percentage of cases, by getting the vaccine you are still reducing your chances by a significant amount

>>14877087
that's simply not true

>>14877093
Read the footnotes. These data are only Nowcast estimates, which are only modelled projections and are not exact measurements.
This fucking board

>>14877105
>t-these are estimates
the original variant has been officially extinct for a year and a half
we can also talk on how mass vaccination seems to be driving convergent evolution up

>>14877087
Nah, actually. The "original" covid strain is now pretty much completely extinct. In fact many Covid strains are now pretty much extinct, they just don't exist anymore or they straight up evolved into new strains.

>>14877131
It isn't the mass vaccination that does that, it's the unvaccinated people who are incubating dangerous mutations in their bodies

>>14877144
ok, you're a troll
my fault for taking the bait
goodbye

>>14877144
>unvaccinated people
Not him, but come and find me faggot.

>>14876901
Is this true? I'm triple vaxxed I think (i forgot) but should I still keep vaxxing bro??! it doesn't hurt but the buzz is starting to wear off.

>>14877159
I'll just look for where case rates are spiking the fastest :)

>>14877185
israel? what do you have against the kikes?

>>14877240
Israel was doing great until they opened their borders and let unvaccinated morons spread deadly mutations

>>14876907
>No they're definitely vaccine deaths.
post proof lol

>>14876903
Finally, some pusy for us purebloods

>>14877255
Truly deluded.

>>14874530
It shows that in countries with shitty health care there was no change from covid, eg its not like important procedures were canceled, they never happened in the first place
In countries with good health care, two years of cancellations is showing its teeth.

>still not taking it

>>14881624
But in countries where everything else is equal, and the only difference is percent of vaxmaxxers, the vaxmaxxing countries are having bigger die-offs.

>>14881788
>But in countries where everything else is equal, and the only difference is percent of vaxmaxxers,
That's zero countries. They have different base rates, populations, and lockdowns. Sweden has the same "Percentage of additional deaths" as Bulgaria despite having a lower base rate, which would suggest the vaccines are reducing covid mortality. Iceland had low cases of covid in 2020 and low excess mortality, got vaccinated in 2021 and low covid and low excess mortality, and have high covid cases and high excess mortality in 2022. That would suggest it is covid that is responsible for the change.

>>14869064
>What is the cause of the dramatic increase in excess mortality in highly vaccinated countries compared to countries with low vaccine uptake. Winter vagina? Climate change? I seriously want to know. No conspiracy theories please.
not sure if it's related, but countries in red have a lot of elderly, a lot of people over 80, guess what, old people die, and as the years go by more and more will die, cause the population pyramid is inverted

>>14883531
>That would suggest it is covid that is responsible for the change.
Are you sure it's not Winter Vagina?

>>14883531
>Iceland had low cases of covid in 2020 and low excess mortality, got vaccinated in 2021 and low covid and low excess mortality, and have high covid cases and high excess mortality in 2022. That would suggest it is covid that is responsible for the change.
That would also suggest the vaccines aren't working, yeah? It might even suggest the vaccines are making people more susceptible to illness.

>>14883760
That's exactly what the numbers on the ground say. Britain's NHS was open about the vaccines having negative efficacy until they were told to stop publishing those numbers.

>>14869601

It sounds sciencey.

there never was no vax cattle

>>14883760
>That would also suggest the vaccines aren't working, yeah?
No, just that lockdowns and other measures are weakening, and omicron. Can only put off Covid for so long. People are going to get covid at some point, and some will die vaccinated or not.

>>14884753
Seems like it's a pandemic of the vaccinated. How truly unavoidable.

>>14884795
I see that covid IQ loss thing has started

>>14869064
Socialist morons in government. That is how you get the Venezuelan model installed in your country.

>>14884803
This comment was sponsored by Pfizer.

>>14874516
>>14869168
So lockdowns were worse than the pandemic, is that what you're saying?

>>14869064
> What is the cause of the dramatic increase in excess mortality in highly vaccinated countries compared to countries with low vaccine uptake
I’ve seen data that shows the literal opposite, explain?

>>14885022
>I’ve seen data that shows the literal opposite, explain?
He posts a claim on european data, doesn't link worldwide data because it refutes him. The explanation is either "low tier trolling" or "genuinely that fucking stupid".

>>14885022
>UK at no excess deaths
The fuck?

https://www.bmj.com/content/378/bmj.o2085
>In the week ending 12 August England registered 9670 deaths including 878 excess deaths, 10% above the five year average.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/monthlymortalityanalysisenglandandwales/july2022
>In July 2022, there were 42,034 deaths registered in England, 3,898 deaths (10.2%) above the July five-year average (2016 to 2019, and 2021); there were 2,638 deaths registered in Wales, 108 deaths (4.3%) above the July average.

>>14886767
Looks like >>14885022 is just lying. Go figure.

>>14886767
>>14886770
Do me a favor and read what the Y column description says. Go on. Use your eyes. I believe in you. It's on the left.

>>14885022
https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php?title=Excess_mortality_-_statistics
>In July 2022, excess mortality continued to vary across the EU, with one Member State (Latvia) with little or no excess deaths, while the most affected (Spain) recorded an excess mortality rate of 36.9 %. Other countries with rates over 15 % were Cyprus (32.9 %), Greece (31.2 %), Portugal (28.8 %), Malta (26.4 %), Italy (24.9 %), Austria (17.5 %), Slovenia (16.5 %), Ireland (16.3 %), and Germany (15.2 %).

Vaccination rates:
Spain - 85.8%
Latvia - 68.7%
Germany - 76.2%
Austria - 76.5%
Malta - 89.6%
Slovenia - 58.2%
Ireland - 81.1%
Italy - 80.5%
Portugal - 86.5%
Greece - 71.3%
Cyprus - 53.5%

>>14886783
Neato. Now read >>14886789, Spain with a vaccination rate of 85.8% has the highest excess mortality rate in the EU currently at 36.9%.

>>14886797
Adorable. Now go ahead and post the death and hospitalization rate vaccinated vs unvaccinated with like for like age ranges. I wonder why you people keep dancing around that? HMMM...

>>14886802
>Now go ahead and post the death and hospitalization rate vaccinated vs unvaccinated with like for like age ranges.
Wait, are you suggesting that the unvaccinated in highly vaccinated countries are somehow dying at a much higher rate than the unvaccinated in lower vaccinated countries? Otherwise, what point are you making? The EU shows vaccination rate doesn't mean shit. Latvia has a lower vaccination rate than many EU countries and is the only country not showing an excess death rate currently.

>>14886807
>Wait, are you suggesting that the unvaccinated in highly vaccinated countries are somehow dying at a much higher rate than the unvaccinated in lower vaccinated countries?
No. Within countries. If you want to actually compare within medical institutions, that's what you do.
>The EU shows vaccination rate doesn't mean shit.
Based on your ass? How about going and checking how much of that excess death is, proportionately, unvaccinated?

>>14886811
>Based on your ass? How about going and checking how much of that excess death is, proportionately, unvaccinated?
Because the discussion is about all-cause mortality, idiot.

>>14886812
>Because the discussion is about all-cause mortality, idiot.
Awww somebody's upset I caught him. You don't want to bring that up because it'd reveal how full of shit you are.

>>14886811
https://www.nextbigfuture.com/2022/09/excess-deaths-37-higher-than-pre-pandemic-in-spain.html
>Excess deaths (less than 4% of the 16% EU average excess death are Covid related) have doubled in July, 2022 and reached 37% in Spain and over 16% on average in the European Union. The world needs to research and determine and stop these excess deaths.

>>14886815
>You don't want to bring that up because it'd reveal how full of shit you are.
What is your proposed reason that Spaniards are dying at a stupidly high rate? Don't blame Covid, the vaccination rate means it can't be that.

>>14886816

Delayed diagnosis of cancer due to the leftist pushing lockdowns for a cold.

>>14886820
>What is your proposed reason that Spaniards are dying at a stupidly high rate? Don't blame Covid, the vaccination rate means it can't be that.
And don't blame the vaccines, because highly vaccinated countries don't have high excss deaths like Spain does.

So where does that leave you? Somehow Ireland and Spain nearly equal vaccination rates yet Ireland has half the increase in excess mortality rate? Go ahead try to make that one make sense.

>>14886825
>So where does that leave you? Somehow Ireland and Spain nearly equal vaccination rates yet Ireland has half the increase in excess mortality rate? Go ahead try to make that one make sense.
I don't have to make it make sense because I'm not the one claiming the vaccinates are highly protective.

>>14886831
>I don't have to make it make sense because I'm not the one claiming the vaccinates are highly protective.
Oh HO so you realize you fucked up and now it's the flat earther defense. Lost in record time.

>>14886836
You can try to act like I'm trying to weasel out of something, but the fact is that mortality rate is awful in the EU, and highly vaccinated countries are not immune to it. So that gives us two scenarios:

1. Vaccines aren't protective against COVID-19
2. Vaccines work against COVID, yet the vaccinated die at a much higher rate from other causes

Neither scenario is a positive one. BTW, Bulgaria's mortality rate is at pre-pandemic levels.

https://www.nsi.bg/en/content/18121/basic-page/deaths-bulgaria-weeks
>In recent weeks, the number of deaths has steadily decreased. The mortality rate returned to pre-COVID-19 levels, resulting in a significant outflow of users of weekly death data.

>>14886845
>1. Vaccines aren't protective against COVID-19
Unvaccinated vs vaccinated statistics prove that's false. What's next?
>2. Vaccines work against COVID, yet the vaccinated die at a much higher rate from other causes
Clearly not the case either.

You forgot option 3: Vaccines work, and covid is going to kill some people anyway. That is why the RATE is LOWER among the unvaccinated not ZERO.

>>14886849
>>14886845
Accidentally a word. "Lower among the vaccinated"*

>>14886849
>Unvaccinated vs vaccinated statistics prove that's false. What's next?
Okay.

>Clearly not the case either.
Okay.

Good, that makes it simple, you've pinned all the excess deaths on COVID-19 since it can't be the vaccinated dying from other causes, and you claim vaccines work. So Latvia, which is 32% unvaccinated, has no current increase in mortality. Bulgaria, which is 70% unvaccinated, has no increase in mortality. Spain, which is 15% unvaccinated, has a 36.9% increase in mortality. So by your logic, those unvaccinated folks in Spain, all 15%, must be driving the 36.9% increase in excess mortality, whereas much larger proportions of unvaccinated in Latvia and Bulgaria aren't driving any increase? In fact those countries are functioning at pre-pandemic levels?

>>14886855
>So by your logic, those unvaccinated folks in Spain, all 15%, must be driving the 36.9% increase in excess mortality
Nope. Try again.
>You forgot option 3: Vaccines work, and covid is going to kill some people anyway. That is why the RATE is LOWER among the vaccinated not ZERO.
You are trying very hard to make something very simple seem absurd by ignoring what was plainly written. Minus the mistake corrected in a hasty followup post. You don't need 15% unvaccinated to drive 100% of the increase when the mortality rate will still be in excess because vaccination is not a PERFECT protection.

>>14886865
>You are trying very hard to make something very simple seem absurd by ignoring what was plainly written. Minus the mistake corrected in a hasty followup post.
Yeah, blame me for responding to your original post. Proof read your shit, don't get mad because I hadn't refreshed the page before your correction.

>You don't need 15% unvaccinated to drive 100% of the increase when the mortality rate will still be in excess because vaccination is not a PERFECT protection.
So why are Bulgaria and Latvia not experiencing excess deaths despite not having this great but not PERFECT protection?

>>14886878
>So why are Bulgaria and Latvia not experiencing excess deaths despite not having this great but not PERFECT protection?
Why do you think I have to answer that? I could just say "I don't know", it does nothing for your case. You could read some epidemiology papers on the variations and associations of reasons for them. Could be a more rural population, could be younger or older, could be a lot of things. None of that helps your case.

>>14886878
You are comparing a 2015-2019 average to a specific month. Countries are always going above and below it. Bulgaria with their already high baseline had 46.3% excess mortality in February,

>>14887311
And Bulgaria is back at baseline now, meanwhile the bulk of the EU is elevated in the middle of freaking summer when deaths are supposed to be rock bottom.

>>14886927
What you said does nothing for your case. The fact is that highly vaccinated countries are experiencing high all-cause mortality rates, indicating either the vaccines are shit, or deaths from other causes are elevated.

>>14887331
wow

>>14887342
>>14887331
so much death. it seems to elevate at this time of year normally. are vaccines becoming seasonal??

>>14869064
I heard it's because of shaking your duvet too vigorously.

Can't it be lack of physical activity exacerbating cardiovascular disease?

Also anxiety plays a role, economy was bad.

Also don't forget about decrease in quality of treatment in hospitals due to oversaturation,