/sci/ - Science & Math

>>14868820
It's because most of the time they're desperately looking for grants for their ideas. If US institutions wont pay, then they'll go to a place where they will get grants.
It's never about greed, it's about the desire to do what they studied hard for and want to do. Plus the belief their research will be published and so won't matter if it's in China, US or kazakhstan.

>>14868833
>ummm sweaty, you didn't fund our nightmare fuel experiments so we just had to become traitors and work on chinese biological WMDs
What is it about US "science" institutions that breeds subhuman psychopaths.

>>14868820
Imagine you were a nerd loser incel for the first 35 years of your life, suddenly someone comes by offering you money, status, and women. what you gonna do. stay loyal to a society that hates you and mocks you or take the gibs

>>14868820

>>14868833
>If US institutions wont pay
They won't. They might charge you a few $thousand, so you can have the privilege of having them tell you to eat dirt after they rip off your work though.

>>14868852
>What is it about US "science" institutions that breeds subhuman psychopaths.
(((Academia))).........
It's not even a "minor nuisance".
It is quite literally destroying civilization.

>”China is our enemy because…they uh…are mean to gays, Muslims and women….and they uh…..only care about bringing money into their own country”

>>14868873
>China is our enemy because…
Tianamen square, Shanghai lockdowns, covid concentration camps, two child policy, forced covid testing, etc

>>14868820
because people pay them only when they're desperate, otherwise they're always overqualified and never get grants for things they want to work on, so when the opportunity shows up why would they let it go?
If China is desperate enough to do this shit, they must also pay them at least twice what the most generous employer would pay them back in the US.

>>14868881
Feel free to recount the US's numerous crimes.

>>14868881
> Tianamen square
Not my problem, doesn’t affect me
>Shanghai lockdowns
Not my problem, doesn’t affect me
>covid concentration camps
Not my problem, doesn’t affect me
>two child policy
Not my problem, doesn’t affect me
>forced covid testing
Not my problem, doesn’t affect me

>>14868820
90%+ of those recruited by China were ethnically Chinese, proving once again that diversity is our strength.
(Yes, I made up that 90% figure but given the make up of US labs, probably is close to the truth.)

>>14868896
>US's numerous crimes.
the State of the USA you mean. The american conservatism of the population is 1000 times superior to chinese communism the chinese State forces upon its population

>>14868941
if that's what you meant, i could cite tiktok stupidifying western youngsters which will bite you in the ass 10 years from now
. there's also the whole covid thing since they made covid in wuhan in partneeship with the NIH

>>14868820
A waiter can earn more than a "scientist"

>>14868820
China actually values intelligence while US is anti-intellectual. This is just the natural result

>>14868820
Petty humans and their silly concepts. Borders don't exist. What difference does it make if scientists are contributing in one part of the world or another. Wow the scientists are helping in another area of the world, big whoop! Go back to /pol/.

>>14868969
sounds about right

>>14868820
How much money are they paying?

>>14868881
>China is our enemy because…
>Tianamen square, Shanghai lockdowns, covid concentration camps, two child policy, forced covid testing, etc
Let's compare this to the USA...

Vietnam/release of toxic diseases/Iraq/slavery, Covid lockdowns, proposed covid concentration camps + actual concentration camps for confederate soldiers, japanese/ german POW, sterilization of minorities + abortion, forced covid testing.

>>14868873
>”China is our enemy because…
Because they made themselves our enemy by stealing our shit?

>>14868820
Wow this could force America to get their shit ready for engagement with China with that one.

>>14868873
Only a dork would be blind to China's threat to the USA in both security and economy.

I can tell you right now, the US generals or CIA don't care about those points you say but more to the article in OP's image. They only use those points you say to weaken China's image on the world stage.

>>14869169
>Only a dork would be blind to China's threat to the USA in both security and economy.
Kek
>willingly outsource all of our manufacturing to them
>willingly have 90% of the shit in our house made in China
>”they are a threat to our economy!”

>>14869160
Is that what outsourcing is being called these days?

>>14868820
>NOOOOO YOU CANT JUST ACT IN SELF INTEREST AND DO IT FOR THE MONEY..... THAT'S UNETHICAL. YOU ARE EXCEPTIONALLY SELFISH, SHORT SIGHTED AND GREEDY. YOU MUST WAGE FOR 50K LIKE EVERYONE ELSE AND PAY TAX DOLLARS FOR PATRIOTS LIKE LGBTQ DRAG QUEENS AND WELFARINOES AND MIGRANTS
A scientist would never tongue an anus for any amount. It isn't money that causes them to do this. It's pride and they would never lower themselves to such a level.
>>14868852
>le psychopath
You're the retard that was BTFO'd in the ECT thread weren't you?
Keep seething. If anyone is deranged to the point of being a psychopath, its always people who seethe.

>>14869327
So why did they go to china if it wasn’t for money? How does pride factor in it? Is working for china more dignified? How?

>>14868820
Because they've lost religion and a connection with he spiritual realm making them vulnerable to negative beings

>>14868820
>Why are scientist so disloyal and willing to do anything for money?
America never developed its own internal STEM talent pipeline and has survived on brain drain in the post war era, at first from Europe and now principally from China and India. If you have no roots in America, why bother staying if China offers to pay you more?

>>14869351
I know that Chinese companies, especially those who also operate in Singapore, increasingly recycle white engineers, programmers and workers who can''t find a place in the USA because of diversity quotas. I don't know how bad it is. I only know it happens.

>>14869023
>US is anti-intellectual
always has been, picrel

>>14869394
you could blend-in in US, before dumbing down took place

>>14869447
If America is becoming a muttized country that hates you, why stay?

>>14869351
It was for money mostly retard.
That little bit af the end was about OPs comment about licking the shit organ for pay. I would sell the world to aliens and let them end my life rather than ever commit homosexual acts. That's the worst thing a perso can do.

>>14869325
When they're taking top secret data with them, it's called treason, not outsourcing.

>>14868873
>>14868881
>>14869152
china is your enemy because you aren't chinese. simple as

>>14869606
When turning over entire industries to other countries, it's called good business instead of treason. Funny how weakening a country and strengthening its adversaries is a good thing when a corporation does it but treason when an individual does it.

>>14868820
"Nationalism is bad" and "money trumps all" sound like very American concepts to me. It's actually quite smart, playing the US at their own game.

>>14869641
>When turning over entire industries to other countries, it's called good business instead of treason.
Does that include selling military secrets? Because private industry choosing to move production elsewhere is not quite the same as selling the plans for nuclear submarines.

>>14868820
I'd do the same. I love money more. Nothing personal, space cowboys.

>>14869625
The chinese are the Chinese's worst enemy. China is never going to expand beyond Mongolia or North Vietnam, it historically never did. And no Chinese is willing to die in a war just to fight some barbarians.

>>14868820
Stopt the negrolatry and hatred of white people or loose them.

>>14869641
Both are treason.

>>14868820
the kind of person that becomes a scientists has zero moral integrity. this is why you should not trust scientists.

>>14868820
Maybe your country should stop being so shit. Then people would actually want to stay there.

>>14868833
>It's never about greed, it's about the desire to do what they studied hard for and want to do. Plus the belief their research will be published and so won't matter if it's in China, US or kazakhstan.
ok, so shameless self interest and greed in pursuit of personal glory and riches and total disregard for their neighbors and fellow citizens
>nooo, i'm doing it all selflessly "for science" not for me and my greedy scheming
nobody believes that lie, scientists are never the saints they absurdly try to portray themselves as in public. just because they are too low iq or lazy to earn the amount of money they desire doesn't make them saintly, it only makes them envious and greedy

>>14869839
Only one is punished. The other gets you buddies in Congress.

>>14869950
why don't the people who prefer to work illegally in china always try to come back after their work is done. i'd be incredibly happy to see all of the academics pack themselves off to china permanently, it would be refreshing to see them being honest about their disloyalty and nothing of value would have been lost with their exit.

>>14868941
Does the release of Covid not affect you either?

>>14868873
>>”China is our enemy because…
... they work against out interests?

>>14870175
What a scam democracy is...

>>14870768
Who funded it

>>14868820
Maybe they're communists.

>>14868820
the good guys were blackbagged/pushed off a bridge/buried in a forest/etc. microbiologists for example die under strange circumstances way beyond the background rate for the general population. if i were a scientist working on top secret projects i would have a deadman’s switch.

>>14868820
American hiring is race-blind, they refuse to discriminate against ethnic chinese.

>>14868881
Are these actually the best reasons you could come up with? How does China's covid testing affect America?

>>14868820
>capitalism
>everything is for sale
>disloyal
Who would have thought.

>>14868820
Flip the adjectives, and that would describe the sentiment of the reward of knowledge and the ability to apply that knowledge predictably.

>>14869839
>Both are treason.
And yet, it doesn't appear to be that way at all.

>>14869859
>the kind of person that becomes a scientists has zero moral integrity. this is why you should not trust scientists.
I wouldn't say that. In fact, I'd say it's the opposite of that.
I wouldn't trust the Scientist-LARPers.

Seems like technology isn't bad, it's just used by bad people. Scientists typically want to do Autistic shit. The ""normies"" who LARP as Scientists just want to do psychotically unnecessary nonsense.

>>14870098
>ok, so shameless self interest and greed in pursuit of personal glory and riches and total disregard for their neighbors and fellow citizens
That's probably true for many people.
But it's also extremely hard to get any sort of funding if you're trying to do any type of legitimate science.
They're only interested in funding their studies to push whatever narrative they're trying to campaign for, or if it has a buzz-wordy sci-fi sounding name to it, which promises to bring all of Star-Trek technologies available within a decade.
>just because they are too low iq or lazy to earn the amount of money they desire doesn't make them saintly, it only makes them envious and greedy
No, just about the only way to earn money these days is to be an envious, greedy, scheming grifter.

>>14870762
>it would be refreshing to see them being honest about their disloyalty and nothing of value would have been lost with their exit.
Ok, except I don't think all of the ""traitors"" are necessarily CCP fanboys.

>>14871416
>Who funded it
Yes, and where does the W.H.O. get their funding from?

>>14871846
>microbiologists for example die under strange circumstances way beyond the background rate for the general population
So, the people who are screwing over the entire planet by stripping away personal rights, wealth, and mandating everyone(except themselves) in civilization be treated as nonconsensual Human Experimental guinea-pigs at the whim of Microbiologists, those are the ""Good Guys""?
Holy fuck, if those are the 'GuD gUiZ', the bad guys can basically just live life on vacation knowing their work is already being done.

>>14868820
>Los Alamos
>Development of Military Weapons
Knowing the glowies, they're probably just pretending to "sell top secret info" and meme "technology" to the Chinese to drain money from them for producing nothing but meme-headlines.
But also, who knows. Maybe they were actually getting fucked over by some (((people))) in government/military. Like, perhaps they would "officially" get a huge contract of $50Billion to do something, but the teams actually fulfilling the contract maybe only saw ~1% of that, despite doing over 99% of the work for it.

Also it says:
>At least 154 Chinese scientists who worked on government-sponsored research at the U.S.’s foremost national security laboratory over the last two decades have been recruited to do scientific work in China —
>some of which helped advance military technology that threatens American national security
1. It says they're Chinese scientists, so it's not that unheard of for them to go back to China, especially if their work is no longer needed here
2. We don't even know what exactly their roles were, or what kind of technology they allegedly "stole"
I don't know why they're surprised how everyone around the world is "mysteriously" acquiring all of this "top secret technology".
3. I'm pretty sure the 'Globalists' have already been exchanging technology with each other, regardless of any economic/political sanctions.

>>14872410
Anyway yeah, I don't know why/when the West began to intentionally self-implode, while certain countries who have a large presence within our government/digital/medical-infrastructure and administration roles seem to be on track to becoming a ""global superpower"" within the next decade.
And you might say "Well, it's because we only took in the best and the brightest!"
Well, if we took in the "best and brightest"; then why is our country crashing further every day, while *their* people and country seem to be growing wealthier and wealthier?

I'll have to find the article later, but the other day I read that next year, they(dept of something) are proposing ~$20Million for education for those in rural country areas.
~$13Million was to go to researchers to study how the money should be allocated
~$7Million is for funding 'programs'
At least 1/2 of the $7M had to be allocated specifically for people-of-color, despite the fact Whites make up a much larger rural population, and have high levels of poverty.

>>14871975
>Flip the adjectives, and that would describe the sentiment of the reward of knowledge and the ability to apply that knowledge predictably.
Too HIghQ for me, what are you saying?

>>14869658
>I'd do the same. I love money more. Nothing personal, space cowboys.
On some levels, it does become personal.

Here's a riddle for you:
>How can a rock underground be more dangerous than a boulder at the top of a mountain?
Answer: picrel

>>14868820
>Total lack of conscience
conscience is not something you are born with, it is a psychological feature that something that some people develop around age 7 or so.
the people who fail to achieve that level of psychological development do not have consciences, so they don't see behaving dishonestly as wrong. many of those people who have poorly developed brains go into STEM fields and OP picrel is the result.
worth noting in this context that the brain of adult women is the same size as a 7 year old boy's.

>>14868820
They're narcissistic scum. It comes with the territory.

It's tough being American and hating your own govt and also the Chinese. Lose-lose situation for us sovereign citizen chads.

>>14868866
not American but I find it hard to believe the general public mocks scientists.
what is this comment about?

>>14868820
Many will do the anus thing for free because they are practically all just a bunch of trannys and faggots.

But you can’t provide enough money for any scientist to measure a ball on a string demonstration honestly and report the results because they are shot scared to face the fact that angular energy is what is in reality, conserved.

>>14873684
What percentage of scientists do you think were bullied in school?

>>14868820
To understand this look at CERN and testing the limits of the Standard Model (non-commercial).
The standard model tests have become exponentially more expensive, massive and complex, requiring cooperation of multiple countries just to prove ONE THING. And all these experiments have not yieled surprises and new insights into the subatomic world, merely failed to disprove the Standard Model. What this says is it's more a flaw of science (which isolates independent variables in isolated conditions to verify a causal relationship) which is inadequate to describe complex systems where independent variables behave differently inside versus outside the system.
Commercial science goes the same way. Experiments and discoveries can no longer be made by small labs, you need entire systems like transgenic mice (or humans) to test the impact of complicated treatment regimens. This exponentially increases the cost, time and education level to make those discoveries.
The shitstorm with the Alzheimers fraud is just a proof of this. To disproof the fraud, you needed the original transgenic mice from the originating lab, because otherwise it would take decades of genetic engineering to reinvent that wheel and test it yourself. And no university or corporation is going to fund you reinventing the wheel just to crash their stock by revealing their drug R&D was founded on fraud.

>>14869463
>If America is becoming a muttized country full of niggers that hates you, why stay?
Lots of white male scientists and engineers are leaving.>>14869654
>>When turning over entire industries to other countries, it's called good business instead of treason.

People are disgusted of being lied about "greatest country" and disenfranchised of women and nigger preference everywhere.
That's why the gov even has problems with army recruits - nobody's available or is buying what they are selling.

>>14869654
>>When turning over entire industries to other countries, it's called good business instead of treason.
>Does that include selling military secrets?
Ok, they turned over all Microsoft Windows and Microsoft Security updates to development and cloud center in Israel.
Reminder, every government computer has Windows installed ,including military. We are way past treason on a country level at this point.

>>14873874
>look at CERN
Yep, billions wasted. And?
>Commercial science goes the same way.
>Experiments and discoveries can no longer be made by small labs, you need entire systems like transgenic mice (or humans) to test the impact of complicated treatment regimens.
The problem is nobody want to look at REAL science. Which is done by 1 to a few people in a small lab or garage (everyone has computers at home now).

And nobody wants any PREVENTION of diseases. They all pretend they don't know the cause and just want yet one more billion dollar blockbuster chemical drug they can put millions of people on. Not CURE any diseases.

China is the only salvation from the great satan.
Those scientists were doing us a favour.

>>14868866
this.

>>14870768
got COVID, got better in 2 days. big nothing burger, its just a flu bro.

brb learning mandarin

>>14873906
>Yep, billions wasted. And?
>experimentally verifying the higgs boson is waste
It wasn't wasted, but it was disappointing, as verifying the higgs was just the bare minimum to justify the LHC.
Also, CERN's "failure" is nothing relative to the number of failed drugs or treatments invested by Pfizer, Merck and Eli Lily over the same time period of the LHC's construction. Let alone the hilarious
Even if you make a breakthrough like Gilead Science and the HCV vaccine, it might not be the blockbuster to save your company or justify all the misses you made getting there.
>The problem is nobody want to look at REAL science. Which is done by 1 to a few people in a small lab or garage (everyone has computers at home now).
The fuck are you talking about?
People wanted to test the Azlheimer's bullshit, but the economics and time investment didn't support it. The human lifetime and the economic actors wouldn't support disproving the fraud.
What exposed the fraud was also economic - short sellers hiring an invesigation team to sniff out shit. Everything these days has to follow the money line because nobody has the personal resources to investigate on principle or for fun, and the negatives of doing so, disproving a novel discovery, increases pessemism towards the sciences as the world being "solved". Very much the case in physics where the biggest discoveries are coming from the Logan Webb telescome and not from the LHC.
>And nobody wants any PREVENTION of diseases.
Healthcare wants this because the loads and costs of treating sick patients is literally burning out the workforce.

>>14869023
>>14869434
Why do midwits worship self-styled "intellectuals" and put them on a pedestal? What's the psychology behind this?

>>14873908
if burgerland is the great satan then china is the greater satan

>>14868820
>train people to make objective decisions
>people make decisions that objectivity benefit their field
>"noooooooo"
If you wanted people to make decisions based on morality then you should have trained theologians instead of scientists

>>14868820
Fuck pass some of that money here.
Idk why people think scientists make a lot if money.

>>14868820
>Why are scientist so disloyal and willing to do anything for money?
Replace "scientist" with "politicians"... how does that sit with you now?

>>14869261
Just because there's a bunch of traitorous kikes in our system doesn't mean China's not a threat. All that means is the threat of China is more potent.

>>14873941
>>experimentally verifying the higgs boson is waste
Anon , what they are doing is running an airplane into a mountain. You get a lot of pieces. Can you make up engineering schemas which were used when engineers designed a plane by smashing it into a mountain? Yeah, you get pieces, luggage and maybe a chair.

>The problem is nobody want to look at REAL science. Which is done by 1 to a few people in a small lab or garage (everyone has computers at home now).
>What?
Exactly. Science isn't limited to smashing airplanes into the mountain and trying to hook millions of people permanently on drugs while not finding source and not offering a cure.
>Healthcare wants PREVENTION
Did any of those billion dollar pharmas and millionaire doctors who prescribe their drugs actually came up and said, "Ok we all need to limit refined sugar and corn syrup"? No.

>>14873896
>Ok, they turned over all Microsoft Windows
Who is "they"?

>>14873996
>If you wanted people to make decisions based on morality then you should have trained theologians instead of scientists
Anon, I...

>>14874457
Meds. Now.

>>14868833
>it's about the desire to do what they studied hard for and want to do.
so they're loyal to the establishment. the same way the police officer is. never trust a man that is loyal to the establishment.

>>14868820
Well, you can always send there another one, if you know what I mean.

lack of conscience, arrested phycological development
conscience is something that is supposed to develop in normal humans at about age 7 or so. brain damaged people often fail to complete this phase of intellectual maturation.
there is a big difference between asking yourself the question "is this wrong, should i not do this?" and "will i get caught?"

>>14868820
redpill: they're autists who only care about their big interest
thats why boston dynamics guys are making skynet; they dont care about the consequences, they just want to make robots