/sci/ - Science & Math

>>14848349
Because Earth is a shithole and the elites control all the degeneracy there, it's no wonder people want to escape into the stars

>>14848349
>but that would mean building a self sufficient colony that can live without trade with Earth which is far out of reach
It's out of reach right now. The thinking behind the "multiplanet species" idea is that it shouldn't be out of reach, so we should work until it's not out of reach.

>>14848387
Okay but doesn't musk estimate he won't get people on mars at all until 2027, and then they come right back, There's been no progress on how to deal with long term gravity effects on body, growing food, energy, medicine,. Why not just wait a centaury until general tech improves. What are the chances an asteroid hits within that time and kills us all.

>>14848406
Greater than zero. That's why we're working on it now.

>>14848349
it literally says in the bible
>you will become as numerous as the stars themselves

>>14848460
more numerous actually

>>14848349
I want to live on a planet without niggers. Earth is obviously not it.

>>14848349
Helium-3
Freefall Industry
Zero Gravity Research
Closed Habitats
Deep Space Heavy Industry
Space-based solar power
Ideology
To create a new market
Asteroid mining

>>14848473
The Observable Universe got around 200 settilion stars and the Hypothesized Universe got around 50 octillion stars. A posthuman megacivilization could reach that population size within the next million years using the galaxy for it but I guess some regulation will be used to combat entropy.

Not everyone wants to be a lazy piece of shit like you and sit in our gravity well until the Sun eats us.

>>14848349
It's a grandiose dream to distract the peasants from the mundanity of life on Earth, and snake oil salesmen like Elon Musk are happy to sell it to you.

Imagine telling the bugman urbanites that they're going live in exactly the same conditions as Martian pioneers, but here on Earth.

>>14848579
if you want to give up then give up. don't go trying to drag everyone else down with you. you're in the demoralized end state elites want you in, not the people trying to get away from this prison planet.

>>14848524
I guarantee you that the first flight to Mars (assuming it ever happens) will be extremely "diverse", so good luck with that.

>>14848606
I'm not demoralized, I'm just not a retarded Musk fanboy. If you want a better place to live your best bet is to work toward it here on Earth.

>>14848349
>Red Line
The English dub is unironically better because they cut out about 40min of meandering sideplot. No wonder this shit took 20 years or whatever

>>14848650
Diff anon, YOU ARE DEMORALIZED YOU DIPSHIT! Not everyone who wants to go to the stars sucks elon husk off. Grow up anon. MORE than you think want off this rock. D4vtw0

>>14848352
They're not going to let YOU leave, dumbass.

You fucking retards actually think there's people out there attempting to terraform another planet for YOU. No. It's never YOU. Just like how the taxation for these invisible teeming masses of do-nothings that desperately always need our charity is never for US, it's always for some other person somewhere else that presumably has it worse than YOU.

You guys are sp fucking stupid. Little Timmy No-Shoes will always not have shoes and need your money, because his name is Little Timmy No-Shoes, and not having shoes is who he IS, by definition

Catpcha Mr No8Y

>>14848406
>What are the chances an asteroid hits within that time and kills us all
Very small. But the odds of one hitting in the next 1,000 years is small, and the odds of one hitting in the next 100,000 years is moderate, etc. Eventually the Earth will be made uninhabitable by *something* and to survive as a species we need to have an alternative. For an asteroid specifically, it would make more sense to invest in destroying them before they hit Earth, which is way more feasible with current technology.

>>14848666
>Grow up anon
Lmao. You Will Never Be A Martian. Suck a dickkkkkkkkk

>>14848406
>What are the chances an asteroid hits within that time and kills us all.
Zero. Why do midwits always talk about world ending catastrophes like it means the end of humans?

>>14848349
Because kevin costner hoarded the whole mountain for his movie


It's all for the showwww


And oils

>>14848349
It is the final frontier. Why did columbus cross the atlantic? Why did Magellan sail around the earth?
Humans were meant to escape the confines of earth's gravity well

>>14848349
To free our souls from the shackles of gravity.

>>14848349
>population below replacement rate in most of the 1st world countries.
even so the population still grows for a while
https://youtu.be/ezVk1ahRF78?t=10m30s

>>14848650
We don't want a better place to live on, we want another place to live on.

>>14848349
To force humans to evolve culturally and technologically again by facing unknown, hostile environments and to make sure humans aren't under the thumb of a single controlling interest.
We slip into decline and extinction if we're stagnant for too long.
Case in point: modern (((society)))

>>14848349
Escapist fantasies for alienated cattle heads who will attribute their stagnant and miserable lives to anything except the real culprits

>>14848349
I am just curious to see how far humanity can get

>>14852120
>Bombards your gay ass forest from orbit
>Induces impact winter
>Starves you to death
Psssh, nothing personnel neanderthal

>>14852215
>retarded, heavily subjugated cattle wanking to its power fantasies while getting dominated by its parasitical masters every single day

>>14852240
>retarded, heavily subjugated cattle wanking to its anarco-ecofash fantasies while using technology and workin for its parasitical masters every single day

>>14852120
>For a period of several weeks in 1966, Kaczynski experienced intense sexual fantasies of being a female and decided to undergo gender transition. He arranged to meet with a psychiatrist, but changed his mind in the waiting room and did not disclose his reason for making the appointment. Afterwards, enraged, he considered killing the psychiatrist and other people whom he hated. Kaczynski described this episode as a "major turning point" in his life
Just a tranny being angry at itself.

>>14852279
>psychotic rambling

>>14852281
Clearly, you're not disputing anything I wrote. Thanks for admitting that you're a demoralized, projecting troon. :^)

>>14848349
Because we can

>>14852287
>we can
>we
You're not a part of any "we" that "can".

>>14852288
Vicariously, anyone who supports people who want to do great things, are part of the group.

Just as there's a "we" in a team of football fans who want to cheer on the idea of football, there is a "we" in a team of space colonialism fans who want to cheer on the idea of space colonialism.

Just as you are part of the "no we can't" group, there are those who oppose your crab bucket mentality.

>>14852298
>uhhh i may be an irrelevant pod-dwelling wagie that never leaves his urban concentration camp
>but i uhhhh support this thing
>therefore i'm just like le heckin' adventurers of old
Disgusting specimen.

>>14852301
>I can't do <thing> then no one should ever do <thing>!
Literally satanic thinking

>>14852308
I'd send you and your psychopathic handlers out into the void in a heartbeat if I could. What are you sperging off about? I'm just reminding you just how diametrically opposed your life and values are to the pic you posted.

>>14852287
OP here
But you already know whats out there since we can see it from earth and its a big empty rock like all the other planets, thats why I don't get the whole Romantic explorer thing

OP here
I am transsexual and retarded. I am now going to kill myself, so there is no need for further replies.

i think humans are best served with huge colony ships where we can control the comfort
most planets will be uninhabitable and should be focused on mining
the few habitable planets will be treasured

>>14852315
I already know whats out there away from me, 5 feet away. Yet I choose to go there because I can and I want to.

>>14848349
Because we want to know what's out there, some are convinced we're not alone, others think Earth is becoming a shithole and we need to escape or harvest space for materials and energy, and some people like me are just excited about the idea of discovering the unknown and travelling through worlds that were never explored before.

It’s just white people. They know they have destroyed the Earth and being white people, of course they should not take any accountability and just up and leave.

>>14848579
>and snake oil salesmen like Elon Musk are happy to sell it to you.
He's a rocket salesman. He uses talk of space colony bullshit to attract bugmen engineers who don't want to build military stuff. But does Musk actually invest in colony habitat development? No. He just builds rockets that happen to be perfect for defense applications.

>>14848349
>The kind of tech Musk and others are trying to build could only be used to travel in this solar system at best, it won't let us contact aliens
You are so fucking retarded. holy shit!
That's like going to 19th century and be like "don't bother with trains, they won't get us to Mars"
>>14848406
>There's been no progress on how to deal with long term gravity effects on body, growing food, energy, medicine
There's been more than enough progress already
myostatin inhibitors pretty much solve muscle and bone loss in zero G and centrifugal force (ie. ring station) is sufficient replacement regardless
growing food is easy - hydroponics and bioreactors are even used commercially already, cell culture isn't too far either
solar panels provide infinite energy and are fairly easy to make
>>14848717
>I won't go so nobody should
you have mental capacity of a crab

>>14852877
>you have mental capacity of a crab
Letting the elites go somewhere they can't be held responsible for their evil isn't good for you.

>>14852120
indeed
returning to nature as hunter/gather/farmer is a common escapist fantasy for "alienated cattle heads"
and nothing is more stagnant and miserable than being pre-industrial sustenance farmer

>>14852880
"elites" don't want to go to space you moron
they are quite happy with their gated mansions, private rapedungeon islands and yachts here down on Earth
what would they do there? there are no Prada boutiques on the Moon

>>14848650
Genocide is generally frowned up on Earth and access to white people is a basic human right for all non-whites. Sorry, that's just the way society has developed, which means true separation is the only solution. If they try to follow us, I'm fine with dropping enough mass own the gravity well to scour the Earth of all life.

>>14852896
Notice how you and your hivemind buddies are all shitting out psychosis-tier deflections and sperging off against imaginary characters in their head.

>>14852932
we're not deflecting, this is not a debate
we are mocking you

>>14852946
You're mocking imaginary strawmen in your head. Meanwhile my observation about your kind is objectively true and undisputed.

>>14852932
Notice how you neoluddite /pol/tards keep talking about you "returning to nature" away from s.o.y.ciety like "based uncle ted" and yet you never stop using computers? You prattle about space being for stupid cattle yet you are just as addicted to modern conviences as much as the average urbanite
Now put up or shut up

>>14852953
>Notice how you neoluddite /pol/tards keep talking about you "returning to nature" away from s.o.y.ciety
Nol, but I did notice that you're having a full-blown psychotic episode and yelling at imaginary characters in your head. Meanwhile my point stands undisputed.

>>14852957
Your point stands undisputed because it doesn't exist, all you did was attack a strawman equal to the amount you accuse others of.
Now make a meaningful point or stop communicating with anyone

>>14852961
>Your point stands undisputed
Ok.

>Musk Thread
Lets go
I FUCKING LOVE SCIENCE SO FUCKING MUCH

>>14852979
That might have been good snark five years ago but IFLS! hates Musk now.

>>14852312
but you can't do anything, and you lash out at anyone who ever takes steps to do anything. i can safely call you a faggot for your faggot behavior.

>>14852998
You're not taking any steps to do anything. You're a mindless, irrelevant, pod-dwelling urban bugman.

>>14848349
Moron it's not about the arguments, the fact that their shitty is a result of humanity pooling their resources into the gucci of genetic manipulation - that is the alternative to space colonization or at the very LEAST astro economics.

>>14848349
Because the closest evidence we have to divine providence, is that there's only been six major global extinction events, and not six thousand, given everything we've discovered that could end this biosphere - many in a heartbeat and without warning.

Then, every once in awhile, we INVENT a new one, such as nukes and biological warfare, among others both in the pipe and already out of the box.

So, if you care about the long term survival of humanity, you want to get to populating other planets, and eventually other solar systems, as soon as fucking possible, before one of those myriad of things happens.

There's also that yearning for a new frontier. A real opportunity to create new types of government and civilizations, that simply cannot happen at any real scale on such a thoroughly claimed and interconnected planet.

>Human over population is not really a thing anymore.
It is, but colonization isn't a solution, as there's no way you're taking a significant portion of the population to another world. At best you're going to be seeding a new world with tiny portions of the population, and maybe eventually regularly traveling back and forth, though probably by the billions.

>>14848349 (OP)
Because the closest evidence we have to divine providence, is that there's only been six major global extinction events, and not six thousand, given everything we've discovered that could end this biosphere - many in a heartbeat and without warning.

Then, every once in awhile, we INVENT a new one, such as nukes and biological warfare, among others both in the pipe and already out of the box.

So, if you care about the long term survival of humanity, you want to get to populating other planets, and eventually other solar systems, as soon as fucking possible, before one of those myriad of things happens.

There's also that yearning for a new frontier. A real opportunity to create new types of government and civilizations, that simply cannot happen at any real scale on such a thoroughly claimed and interconnected planet.

>Human over population is not really a thing anymore.
It is, but colonization isn't a solution, as there's no way you're taking a significant portion of the population to another world. At best you're going to be seeding a new world with tiny portions of the population, and maybe eventually regularly traveling back and forth, though probably not by the billions.

>>14848349
because freedom. maybe at some point in time people will have the option to "go west" and create their own little colony with likeminded people. that would be kinda nice.

>>14853430
literally every problem with the idea of space colonization, come down to the problems on earth, you think the usa, russia or china and the uk would let you live on a hippy plannet left to your self? fuck no enjoy being a space amazon worker that has to pay for air and will probably die from their gay ass amazon cargo shuttle malfunctioning incinerating you alive, because jeff need that extra $2 cheeping out on safety

>>14854259
What makes you think humanity will let the usa, russian, and china to continue to exist longterm?

>>14854262
most of the world cant own guns and the ones that can wont do shit, they would never over take the government by force or with politics. only poor country's have a chance with their poor governments before it just goes back to shit for them. theres no fucking you, dont act like 7 billion people are going to go row row fight the power, every one is going to shut up or whine, but go back to working at amazon the next day. people are complacent and at best pretending to do something

>>14848349
Space programs is a way for elites to become super elites and get control of majority of corporations in the world.

Space program is an open end money pit where you can burn literally billions of $ per year.
You can balance inflation, in USA, not via exporting dollars anymore, but by burning them all up in space rockets and women and POC "science".
This, however , requires a correction.

Bankers print dollars (enter into computer)
Bankers give dollars to their banker friends and largest corporations.
Their friends and largest corporations buy everything up in sight - all other companies, R&D etc.
Eventually, no competitors left, nothing to buy up, nothing serious to R&D.
Should cause serious inflation.
And here's space program with possibility to burn billions of extra dollars $.
Obviously this is not capitalism, and all money and control concentrates in hands of a few super rich Oligarchs.
After a while , since small business drives innovation, innovation also dies off.
You can still finance Universities. But then after a while Universities start hire women and POC and innovation dies off there as well.
We are here.

>>14848349
It may not be a problem now but eventually the earth will die.

We are only scratching the surface of astrophysics, it will take millenia to get to the point where we have a deeper understanding of the universe and enough advancement in technology for us to be at the point where intastellar travel and colonisation is possible.

In a few hundred thousand years, over population will become a problem, disease, famine, dwindling recourses, lack of jobs, money and all the rest of it will become a reality.

Humans will face extinction, the only way for us to survive is to find other planets. Either that or orbital space colonies.

In 5 billion years Andromeda will collide with the milkyway and the sun will be starting to die. If humans survive that long (we will probably evolve into another species by then anyway) then we are fucked.

The only hope for humans to survive is to colonise space.

>>14848349
You wouldn't get it

>>14848349
To search the possibilities, to explore all inner and outer spheres, to aquire eternal prosperity and to expand and deepen knowledge. To built, to create.
The phenomenon of man is unique. After a billion years, blind evolution has brought forth the first animal capable of rational inquiry. In us, the universe has finally developed the ability to look back upon itself and transcend the limits of randomness. From this point onward, the fate of the universe will not be a matter of chance, but of conscious choice.
To colonize the cosmos is the utmost expression of this will.

>>14848349
sóyence fiction media indoctrination mostly

>>14848349
i want to colonize space to protect the planet

the sooner we can extract resources, manufacture and live in space the better

sure, overpopulation is kinda bs and we can fit a lot more people on the planet, especially with smarter management, but the planet itself and its biodiversity seems to be suffering form it p drastically

so my end goal would be 90%+ people living in habitats in space and on oceans

ofc you can't kick people off the continents/planet so life in the artificial habitats would have to be pretty awesome to incentivize people to go

the remainder of people on earth would have limits to what they can do to the environment and exploit from the earth but would also have no incentive to gather resources too intensive because space goods should cheaper and better

turn most of the earth into a park and then study all the life here and the planet itself until there's nothing left to learn

>>14848349
Humans have a natural drive towards expansion

>>14854722
Why the hell do we climb mountains? I guess the view is nice, but I could take a helicopter to the top.

>>14854999
>I could take a helicopter to the top
try it, kobe

>>14848349
Space travel is cool, that's all the reason I need.
>but we haven't figured out any of the big problems on Earth
We won't do that in any case. But if you give me the choice between either man-made horrors beyond my comprehension, or man-made horrors beyond my comprehension with Moon bases, I know which one I'll pick.

>>14855004
A helicopter has been to the summit of Everest but it's not something you'd really want to do. Then again, climbing Everest is pretty risky too.

The progress of the human race has been a continual flow of humans out of Africa. Why would anyone want to get away from Africa? That's a mystery that cannot be explained on a blue board. However, it makes migration into space almost inevitable, because space is even farther away from Africa.

The history of the human race has been a continual flow of humans out of Africa. Why would anyone want to get away from Africa? That's a mystery that cannot be explained on a blue board. However, it makes migration into space almost inevitable, because space is even farther away from Africa.

>>14848349
There's an article on Wall Street Journal today titled Power of Cosmic Perspective that sort of touches on this subject.
The truth is kind of... depressing? Space exploration is largely a pipedream but you will inspire a generation of mathematicians, scientists and engineers and that's worth it.

>>14855004
I have enough sense to wait for decent weather.

I just wanna be and live like space dandy.

>>14848349
>ocean farming
you’re gonna have sea beets, sea yams, sea cabbage, have ya ever had a sea salad? Have ya ever had sea cheesy baked potatoes that blew your socks off?

>>14848992
>Why did columbus cross the atlantic? Why did Magellan sail around the earth?
To estabilish trade routes and/or for PR
Romanticism is for people who consoom fiction, historical figures who achieved results always had concrete, materialistic goals

>>14856044
>historical figures who achieved results always had concrete, materialistic goals
Like moon mining (Helium-3, special phospate minerals), Zero Gravity Research Facilities/Factories (R-Superconductors, Freefall conditions), space-based solar power and asteroid mining?
One should not forget the military and political aspect of space colonization. And also not ideological ones.

>>14853014
your projection is amusing in the face of your previous statement.
>i'd [spergy revenge fantasy against the world] in a heartbeat if i could...
but you still can't. you won't. whether it's me or my tribe or even more distant genetic brothers we will continue to expand humanity's potential while your high-mutational-load kind seethes and demands the death of humanity. what about this mindset makes you think urban? in practice it's urbanites who whine about success while the more fit accept life's competition and its resulting hierarchy.

>>14856066
>your projection
What projection? You've fully admitted it.

>but you still can't. you won't
Won't what? All I'm saying is that I would be very happy to watch you and your psychopathic owners leave this planet. Isn't that what you want? Why are you getting absolutely assblasted?

>>14856056
There will be, eventually in the future, a need to plan for extraterrestrial colonization and mining and whatnot; but we are hundreds if not thousands of years too early for that, we should concentrate on terraforming our own planet before tacking Mars or the Moon as a much more difficult challenge, and the same could bge said about mining resources from space when we've barely scratched the crust down here

>>14848349
Human overpopulation is a thing and will not get better until we adopt eugenics and drop the bottom half of the IQ curve.
But even if we accept your view on population, humans colonizing space is the worse possible thing right now. Because we are a type II locust civilization. We see stuff, we rape and pillage, grow our population and pretend our entire economic system isn't a gigantic ponzi scheme. When shit gets too crowded and we run out of resources we look for new places to rape and pillage. Its just starting to hit home that there is nowhere left on Earth to rape and pillage like we used to for the past 500 years.

But lets pretend some well meaning idiot discovers some miraculous new means of energy generation and save the day. Lets say all the problems of interstellar flight are solved. If Humanity gets into the big time space fling do you really want its fucked up ideologies being exported among the stars? Dragging along every selfish cunt and parasite in creation for more viking raids? You think a few well meaning scientists are going to stop the exploitation, destruction, and extermination? You want those fucking insects turning the galaxy into yet another trash heap? Fuck that. And fuck anyone who says otherwise.

But the good news its extremely unlikely we would ever get humans beyond the moons of Jupiter at best. Barring some new and radical breakthroughs in science and technology. Collectively we have shot our bolt. If we were going to make it then it would have been happening already. Actually several decades ago. We have exhausted the easy access resources on this planet, ballooned the population, brought the global ecosystems to the brink of collapse ( no I am not talking about that fucking smokescreen called Climate Change ) and sacrificed any potential advancement in the name of social justice. We are stuck in this gravity well and we, or our replacements, will most likely burn with it in due course along with the Sun. Good job.

>>14856077
>we should concentrate on terraforming
Space colonization would solve many problems on earth. The energy crisis for example, would be solved with helium-3 or space based solar power. Modern space colonization does not depend on the good will of the public but economic drive ensures its success. Military and political competition accelerates the progress as well.
Space has special ressources and conditions one can`t replicate on earth. Travelling to the moon is easier than to burrow into the quarter of the earth crust. Gravity is a well that once freed from opens up all the riches of the solar system.

>>14848349
Because we chose to

>>14848349
They want the comfort of knowing humanity is advanced enough to prevent its extinction by festering across the whole universe.

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>>14856726
Who would want to stay soil vermin? The manifest destiny of mankind is not to return to hated soil but to expand forever in the eternal expanse, free from gravital shackles.

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>>14848349
If you do not have the Hyper-Faustian nor the Hyper-Promethean need to conquer space, then you will simply lack the capacity to understand the need to conquer space. If you want to stay in this homely planet called Earth, then so be it. The stars belong to us.

>>14856726
I don't think anyone here is hoping to be a Martian in their lifetimes. Efforts at space travel are for those who care about the distant generations of mankind, in much the same ways Cathedrals are built over generations, with their founders knowing they would never see them completed, and that advent would fall on their children, or their children's children.

(Also, we really need to make a rule about mass reply posts like this - hopefully for this generation.)

>>14857573
i think if the military industrial complex weren't calling dibs on any weaponizable innovation and actively subverting the progression of science so as to control its dangerous potential then we'd be colonizing mars already

>>14857573
all of the bug people here genuinely believe they will be martians, and that their neomessiah elon musk will take them there

>>14857587
the military industrial academic complex is just a front for the breakaway civilization(s?) that seem to have formed in the early 20th century but may have roots going at least as far back as the early to mid 19th century

>>14848349
It is an atavistic remnant of the West's colonial ideology, or the "manifest destiny", expressed through the messianic technolatry of "progressive" ideologies and consumerism.

>>14848349
AI, asteroids, rogue planets and rogue black holes all put us at a long term risk. We should therefore have a long term strategy for a civilization contingency

>>14848349
If you want a low-gravity park or habitat where you can fly with a god damn electric system, you cannot get that on Earth.
Higher population also mean more scientist, more artist, more engineers which is always a good thing to have when you can afford it. But living in 32m cube isn't going to be pleasant. If they can people WILL move to better place, and as technology evolve everywhere might become better.

Obviously it will require much better space transportation, but we've done that before do you think CITIES are self-sustaining? They are not. The 1st world live in luxury thanks to supercargo from everywhere in the world.

A space colony would let you create custom ecosystem with more efficiency than you would on Earth. Obviously it require the technology for self-efficiency but if you have any interest in living forever & transhumanism we will eventually master life.
And lastly unless we are able to build human-grade safe AI, the only way around light-lag is to have people around. It will likely limit our Internet but we will just have to accept less streaming from some source.

Colonizing Mars is still stupid thought, it is much more efficient to safeguard Earth first with better infrastructure & geoengineering option first, and after we get the technology to push self-efficiency there's plenty of better place to settle than Mars around with plans for long term growth.

>>14848406
If we are honest Musk only care to live as the "person who brought man on Mars", it doesn't matter if colonization isn't actually possible. Some people live only for fame.
At least SpaceX is doing a much better work than anyone else right now.

Thought Starlink is a kessler effect waiting to happen.

>>14859406
>Colonizing Mars is still stupid thought, it is much more efficient to safeguard Earth first with better infrastructure & geoengineering option first
One, there are a lot of potential global extinction events you simply can't guard against, and two - there's nearly eight billion of us, I think we can multitask.

>>14859473
Not saying we shouldn't build space colony.
It's more efficient to develop the technology in Earth orbital space because we need rapid prototyping until we actually CAN have self-sufficient base.
Once we DO have self-sufficiency, Mars isn't actually interesting. Normies are obsessed with it because it's easier to imagine western = desert = Mars, than it is to imagine rotating space habitat linked together in infinite matrix or Moon colonies more luxurious than Mars could be be because the lack of atmosphere and lower gravity make it much easier to use.

There's also plenty of false idea about Mars being easier to farm. You'll need enclosed habitat regardless. Mars don't have unique resources other than its 0.3G gravity and its thin-atmosphere is more of a liability.

>>14859461
Isn’t starlink in such a low orbit that they have to be replaced every couple years because they fall back to the Earth specifically to avoid Kessler syndrome.

>>14856726
Different anon, but to add to this, for any faggot who thinks we can go to mars, there is no water on the planet.
>muh ice caps
read this: https://www.nasa.gov/feature/jpl/nasa-s-mro-finds-water-flowed-on-mars-longer-than-previously-thought
I'm of the opinion that all engineering projects can be classified into two categories. Those that are utilitarian, like the Roman aqueduct, and those that serve to aggrandize those with more wealth then they know what to do with. The Egyptian pyramids come to mind here. I don't mean to say that the pyramids are pointless, the cultural impact and the advancements in engineering that came forth as a result are without question. But does the pyramid itself have any utilitarian value? Or is it just a grave marker for a pharaoh? Would you liken people like Musk and Bezos to pharaohs, or to roman architects? Perhaps somewhere in between? Why aren't other countries like China and Russia trying to realize these projects? I'm not saying people shouldn't be able to devote themselves towards colonizing other planets, but you can't convince me that doing so will enable humanity to flourish. This planet cannot be recreated. To think so, in my opinion, is folly. Thinking in terms of those two categories is how I've been trying to decide what projects I want to devote my time to.

>>14860921
>Why aren't other countries like China and Russia trying to realize these projects?
Both have space programs, and China has plans to land a man on the moon. Presumably they'd want to pull that off before Mars, and NASA seems to want to do it again first as well.

Ultimately it's utilitarian, as this basket of eggs isn't gonna last forever, it's just the projects are not going to give much in the way of returns for the generations taking the first baby steps. ...Well, aside from all the technological break throughs that can be traced back to the space program, that are now commonplace today.

>>14860921
>he thinks the pyramids were grave markers and not hydro-acoustic hydrogen masers built by advanced ETI for interstellar communication
godspeed with your aqueducts anon, i hope you succeed

>>14852120
>Escapist fantasies which were intentionally placed in the heads of alienated cattle heads who will attribute their stagnant and miserable lives to anything except the real culprits because of the media programming they've been exposed to by those same culprits

>>14848349
It's the desire of Faustian man to traverse infinite space. If the idea of colonizing space doesn't inspire you, regardless of the hangups regarding its practicality, you are not white.

>>14856119
Pessimist anon is based anon

>>14860953
Thanks anon, I hope you do too. I have no clue what a hydro-acoustic hydrogen maser is or how it works, but the possibility that the pyramids were used for communication and not as grave markers sounds neat.

>>14856726
>don't try to invest time in something if you'll die before the end goal is reached
it's about the journey anon, otherwise we wouldn't have built dozens of pyramids, massive religious monuments, explored the seas or even start any project that would require centuries and multiple generations of workers to complete. If all we cared about was seeing the end product in our lifetime we wouldn't have accomplished anything in all history.

>>14848349
Wow there sure are lots of science illiterate religious nutbars on this site...
Seems the lunatic christians and the lunatic economics cultists have the same self-serving bullshit beliefs in common ...

>>14852215
>Psssh, nothing personnel neanderthal

>>14848349
Some people like to fantasize about colonizing space as rationalization for self-serving activities which destroy Earth's biomechanical heat engine.

>>14860969
>Escapist fantasies which were intentionally placed in the heads of alienated cattle heads who will attribute their stagnant and miserable lives to anything except the real culprits because of the media programming they've been exposed to by those same culprits that cannot be mentioned by name of a blue board despite their schemes being entirely apparent to the based and redpilled hordes of independent thinkers from /pol/

>>14852281
kek what fucking dweeb

>>14861258
If I thought the Jews were responsible for getting us to the moon, I'd put them in charge of every single last damned thing, and start bombing the Palestinians myself.

But alas, that honor goes mostly to the same Germans that were exterminating them.

>>14852281
>surviving a massive assault on your mind, recovering and waging a one man war against the people who did it to you
Based Uncle Ted. Most oversocialized technocattle will succumb and transition.

>>14861289
Jews, Nazis and Rednecks put Man on the Moon.

>>14848349
Spiders will bring about extrasolar colonization.

I really fucking hate spiders. I am not an arachnophobe -- in fact, I came up with this thought while studying one of these fuckers hanging around in the corner. They are just profoundly unpleasant to look at. Admittedly, I am still "traumatized" from the ultimate nope.exe moment of a thumbnail-sized spider crawling out of the back USB port of my desktop PC. But my (or regular humans) dislike of how they look isn't a good ethical or pragmatical reason to kill them all (it would be a bit different if everyone were a an arachnophobe).
Now space colonization enters the picture. I'd like to have my own planet without any fucking spiders. Once tech catches up to make terraforming and exocolonization as viable to a small niche interest group, as currently is, say, a reforestation/rewilding effort, people will do it for the strangest reasons. Planets were only Ancient Chinese dress is allowed. Planets were they enforce everyone to speak like a Jane Austen character. Well, things pertaining to wildlife/biology (and the uncontrollability of it) make for a pretty good case why you need your own planet.

So, the frequent question: Why would humans colonize dead planets? Because they like to tinker and actualize.


(And yes, the first sentence was just to highlight this post as on-topic. Also, I read Children of Time. Pretty decent tome.)

>>14861295
>using copious amounts of resources which are no longer anywhere near as plentiful.

FIFY

>>14861301
Research on liquid hydrogen during moon landing was the foundation of modern liquid hydrogen industry. There exist thousandfold more liquid hydrogen than then. What are you talking about?

>>14848352
Based, seething e*rthers itt

>>14848349
Why does anybody want to leave for the new world?
We already have plentiful wheat and livestock here in Europe.
On top of that we're talking about a journey that takes months to a land filled with savages and dangerous animals.
The idea that anyone could ever establish a self-sustaining colony there is preposterous.
We need to stop with these foolish fantasies. Next you're gonna tell me these black powder sticks that take half an hour to set up could ever replace crossbows.

>>14857680
Hey reddit, ironic seeing you call others bug people.

>>14848352
>>14861329
you will never go to space incels

>>14861337
>>14861382
you will never go to space incels

>>14861392
I will go to space and there is nothing you can do about it.

>I will go to space and there is nothing you can do about it.

>>14861399
>I will never go to space and there is nothing I can do about it.

fixed

>>14848349
Energy and resources, retard

>>14848349
>Why do people want to colonize space so much

Imagine the future of a Post Singularity Post Scarcity society.
Each person wealthy enough to have their own O'Neil Cylinder with a few million humanoid robotic servants.

>>14861420
>this is what it actually believes

>>14852880
Elites are like weeds. You van never get rid of them because they grow naturally in societt

>>14852880
>Letting the elites go somewhere they can't be held responsible for their evil isn't good for you.
LOL. So, are you planning to hold them responsible any time soon, docile cattlehead #48100285?

>>14861413
I will remember this post when I am in space.

>>14861389
Have space

>>14858866
this

>>14848349
Because space is fake and gay and these armchair intellectuals love to talk about space colonization and other shit that will NEVER happen. We already got earth, why would you want to leave? It's like being a Swiss citizen and wanting to move to Somalia.

>>14861420
Mouse utopia, your "post-scarcity" paradise will come crashing down once people realise how meaningless their materialistic lives are without struggle or hardships

>>14861779
>how meaningless their materialistic lives are without struggle or hardships
LOL. It's always funny to watch cattleheads argue about which side of the bootlicker dichotomy is the right one for goylem slaves.

>>14861802
I don't support either side of the 'dichotomy' (whatever that means), I'm saying that the post scarcity society that these communists believe in is impossible to achieve in the real world

>>14861779
>e how meaningless their materialistic lives are without struggle or hardships

Yes, 99.9% of people will be destroyed by having everything they ever wanted all the time.

BUT 0.01% will THRIVE and do amazing wonderful things with full productive lives surrounded by happy large loving families.

>>14861401

>>14860136
First, they aren't specially low, they are where most satellites are some meant to go as high as 500km.
Second, it might simply be to reduce latency or size of the equipments needed for the ground equipment and for each satellite as they need to communicate together.
Smaller size = more sat per launch = more coverage
I sure hope it's not another level of programmed obsolescence (getting paid to replace your own satellites) but the alternative are not better, it might be an intent to monopolize as many orbits as possible as space laws currently operate in a "first here, first served" logic. Preventing others to get there because "they" would endanger other. And SpaceX could count on US lobby defending it against other countries (like China who had to dodge 2 Starlink satellite).

In any case if they actually wanted to minimize the risk of a Kessler effect they would go for less big satellites (and not as relay for the small one, as main satellite). But big satellite aren't as economical to launch or replace and won't offer homogeneous coverage.

>>14861866
>BUT 0.01% will THRIVE and do amazing wonderful things with full productive lives surrounded by happy large loving families.
No, they won't, because your parasitical elites are all going to get killed.

>>14861866
Based French

>>14861866
Whoever drew this trash deserves to have their head bashed in. That's truly vile and malicious. Guy on the bottom is the result of oppressing non-NPC children, not of failing to oppress them hard enough.

>>14864112
>because your parasitical elites are all going to get killed.

By who or what?
You have the parasitical direction wrong, THEY produce and everyone else consumes.

In today's world Africans PRODUCE almost nothing of valuer (besides the natural resources of the land), but they CONSUME immense amounts of food, clothing, manufactured goods.

Technological Progress means allows very small number of people to produce almost everything that the vast majority consume.

>>14864218
>By who or what?
By their own cattle when they lose control over the situation.

>THEY produce
They have never, and will never, produce anything.

>>14864276

Dude, go back to living in a grass hut if it makes you happy!

>>14864290
Uh oh. Looks like something I said has triggered your precanned nonhuman rhetoric mode.

>>14864218
You can't seriously believe the 0.01% of elite owning 99.99% of world's wealth are actually working?
We unfortunately invented a system of ownership where the right to control the wealth progressively flow only one way.

Should immortality happen someday, the current system will slowly put ownership of every part of the system into the hand of one person.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFe9wiDfb0E

...unless obviously some governments wises-up.

>>14864507
>We unfortunately invented a system of ownership where the right to control the wealth progressively flow only one way.
>We
>(((We)))
oh yeah, the goyims are totally responsible for this tragedy, its not like things were doing just fine half a century ago before diversity reared its hideous noggin and ruined everything. history has been progressing towards this inevitable hellish end since before the dawn of recorded history, nobody could have prevented it, there has never been real positive societal progress before (((diversity))) took over, the was all inevitable, but also the goyims did it, they're at fault, jews are innocent.

>>14864507
>put ownership of every part of the system into the hand of one person.

The God Emperor protects

>>14857466
He didn't say that.

>>14861322
>What are you talking about?
stand issue zoomer environmentalist-narcicist scarcity fantasies that i got from cnn

>>14848349
To spread the seeds of life across the universe. It's fucking sad we just have one single planet with complex life in the universe and even this will be exhausted in a relatively short time. Still lots to know and explore, we can't just fucking die like some retards want us to.

Space colonization isn't actually possible, because only biological computers have the overall architectures and computer power to become generally intelligent, and biological systems can't survive in environments that they didn't evolve in.
This also solves the Fermi paradox. All aliens are also stuck on their planet forever. It's literally not possible to become a space faring race

Once space colonization starts and people see that living in space is like being in jail but it sucks more, the enthusiasm will wane.
>no, I like brittle bones

>>14868871
>believing that spacers will remain baselines

>>14868262
>To spread the seeds of life across the universe.
you don't even have children here on earth and you have no plans to accomplish that goal, so your stated desire to "spread the seeds of life across the universe" is clearly just a lie.
you stole that "spread the seeds of life across the universe" catchphrase from black soience man or star trek, you're too dimwitted to develop your own rhetoric, just like the rest of the transhumanists. enjoy your inevitable 41%, i know i will enjoy witnessing it

>>14848352
Dorks haven't discovered their front door opens yet.

I don't want to colonize. I want to see what is out there.

>>14869851
giant dead balls of rocks, giant dead balls of gas

>>14848349
1. Bubonic plague
2. War
3. Homo africanensis
4. Bad neighbors
Lots of reasons.

>>14871569
To be around friendly and intelligent people as well.. no ‘’plebs”; however, all that proletariat stuff is irrelevant because wage slavery so that we can teach children that ‘’pornography” is good. Plague upon Homo africanensis alleles, also vaccinate .. one fell swoop doesn’t really solve everything, that is why, I believe WW1 and WW2 happened. Anyway.. suicide no, Earth yes.

>>14871000
Molecules wanted to have fun. Life created life.

Life

Also: stop talking at me. I am also human, simply.
Caroline Elizabeth ‘’sapphic fiction author”, extraordinarily rude behavior.

‘’Gaslighting” is an understatement; I’ve already attempted suicide, stop, also narcissistic behavior crazy people.

Neighbor, also rude, not appreciated.

Let me go, tomorrow will be okay.

>>14861322
>moon landing
Did not happen.
>>14855134
>>14856056
>moon mining
> Moon bases,
>Moon colonies
None of this is, likely, possible . Because Moon is, likely a plasma ball of energy, not a planet.

>>14871626
The moon is actually made of cheese and the vacuum preserves it, so you're kinda right but for the wrong reasons

>>14848349
because of the novelty. Nothing more. If it ever even happens and people get used to it they'll find something else to be autistic about.

>>14860136
I work in telecom
Starlink is a huge tax shelter for Musk and basically a scam.
Practically speaking, it can't bear any load at all for broadband which is why Starlink is so selective about the number of customers, and the latency is going to be unacceptable once the 5G NR networks fully mature.

>>14848349
>I don't really get it. None of the arguments I hear make any sense. Human over population is not really a thing anymore. Isn't the human population below replacement rate in most of the 1st world countries. I know its rapidly dropping in latin America and Africa probably isnt far behind. Food production doesn't make any sense we can already produce enough food to make countless people obese and as time goes on agriculture will probably improve too (vertical farming, ocean farming). There may be a lot of metal out there but only a fraction of the earth's metal has been mined and as recycling improves the amount we need will be less. I've heard the agument we need a mars colony so that if Earth is destroyed mankind can continue to live, but that would mean building a self sufficient colony that can live without trade with Earth which is far out of reach. The kind of tech Musk and others are trying to build could only be used to travel in this solar system at best, it won't let us contact aliens. Its like trying to figure out the nuke when you haven't researched muskets yet it doesn't make any sense.
WE DONT NEED A REASON, JUST WOULD BE AWESOME
>>396753898

>>14857851
>the breakaway civilization(s?) that seem to have formed in the early 20th century but may have roots going at least as far back as the early to mid 19th century
lets see anon, I want to hear more. Can email me about it at botsandshills@protonmail.com

>>14861295
9 11 1967, ¿ what I am seeing anon?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

>>14848349
Helium-3 will probably be the biggest argument for space industralizatiion, the other argument for it will be freefall industry. Those are the Big Two who each will probabley cause a trillion dollar industry. The lesser space industries will be space mining (rare metals, ressources for the industry), research, the creation of new market, closed systems, military tools.

>>14848349
It's a failsafe, the more planets, space stations, and moons humans occupy the less likely it is that a single freak astronomical incident can extinct us. Random solar weather events can potentially strip the entirety of Planet Earth killing us all, an asteroid could crash into our planet and we won't be able to save ourselves I mean Oumouamoua or whatever was a pretty close call. The universe is hostile to life and as far as we know Earth is the only planet with life and most importantly intelligent life like humans, other apes, and marine mammals. Life is so precious and rare that we should dedicate all our efforts to spread life as far as possible. There are about 8 billion? people of Earth right now, imagine how great it could be if we could spread to the Moon, then Mars, then the moons of the giants like Europa. How thankful would those future generations of humans be that we basically gave them life.

>>14848654
>english dub better
I'll ram my fist up your ass if I ever find you

>>14873883
Anyone who thinks the English dub of anything Japanese is better 1) is apparently too stupid to learn Japanese and 2) has such shit taste that they can stomach the English-speaking “voice talent” featured in them, and therefore are incapable of being reasoned with or even threatened (i.e. interprets threats of anal violence as a fun and interesting proposition, similar to listening to some stupid whore whine her way through thousands of hours poorly translated jokes and “clever” translator additions)

>>14873919
>Anyone who thinks the English dub of anything Japanese is better

the autism is strong in this one

>>14873919
learning japanese is not difficult you ばか野郎 and you're not special for finishing Genki 1

>>14873883
>>14873919
>dub bad! sub good!
solid 99% of all anime has repetitive awful dialogues and the only reason sub sounds "better" to you niggers is because repetitive bullshit sounds better in your head due to 'tism induced ocd and "le dub bad xd" hivemind
>ugh
>ahg
>right!!!
>hmm
>what!?!?!
>mmmh
>stop!!!
>ugh
>hugrugr
>duhrgr
>help!!!
>uhgghg
>tsk!!!
>grrrrrr!!!
>gwarwar!!!
>khkhkhkk!!!
and this is without the sheer amount of squealing, screaming and shoehorned engRish words and phrases

>>14875101
>burger sounds are music for my fat

>>14848547
+ move away from non-whites

lets just be clear about one thing, learning a language just to watch cartoons is fucking cringe. This is not debatable

>>14852315
theres plenty of objects in the solar system we don't have pictures of or very shitty pictures of. What is titan like? what's beneath the gas on jupiter? What about the 100000 objects more than a 100km in diameter in the kuiper belt.

>>14854796
very nice spacing, improves readability a lot!

>>14880214

We are thinking we playing a round of warcraft 3 and think we should take as much land as possible.

>>14848349
Because, believe it or not, we'll collectively run out of room on Earth's surface. No one wants to live underground or underwater on this shithole of a planet.

>>14881534
mutate the proletariat into horror mermaids raised by wolves style and now whole ocean is habitat

>>14881534
>we'll collectively run out of room on Earth's surface
This.
The planet's getting too overcrowded with chinks and poos running around everywhere.

>>14881567
>The planet's getting too overcrowded with chinks and poos running around everywhere.
indeed, and overpopulation isn't just number of niggers of various shades, but also number of (white) retards, faggots, fatggers and politicians who take space and resources while polluting the genepool. if ~5billion "people" were to perish everything would be back to normal within weeks thanks to automation and pollution along with number of hungry mouths would drop by solid 90% in an instant. a man can dream.

>>14883315
you should commit suicide if you think theres too many people on the planet. if you are not willing to do your part to combat the problem you're complaining about, then it couldn't possibly be a legitimate complaint.

>>14883321
>too many people? dude kill yourself! dude fuck animals! let's delete all forests! dude let's just live in 1000 meter tall underground buildings filled with pods and eat bugs! 8 bil? lets make it 80 bil! dude if you don't like biggerino numberinos then just like go on a killing spree or deal with it!
nigger or glownigger?

>>14883315

Your image needs to extend to at least 2100 to see that Africa explodes to 40% of the world's population, while everywhere else shrinks in population.

>>14881534
There's still vast swathes of land that are uninhabited. Even in America. Not just Africa or something. Most people just keep flocking to the same cities.