/sci/ - Science & Math

>>14848401
i just send a reply to a faggot that reads: "I hope they see it, bro"

100 years ago
> 'I wonder what Venus & Mars are like, maybe there are cool creatures living there'
> turns out they're shitty
30 years ago
> 'I wonder what exoplanets are like, maybe there are loads of Earthlike worlds'
> turns out its hot Jupiters, hot Neptunes and other crapholes

>>14848411
wait till the analysis of the Trappist planets spectra from jwst is done bro

>>14846423
>Hydrogen conceptually is pretty cool, hydrogen as a "battery" for storing excess electricity produced by renewables

>>14846858
https://power.mhi.com/regions/amer/news/20220222/?utm_source=bw&utm_medium=release&utm_campaign=%20McDH2Val

I know more than you.

>>14848412
Then they should speed up its production or start a procurement.

>>14848373
FTS Archive
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1KCJBL632oieD1r6JOh_5Eg9NTcf_-hH8?usp=sharing

UAE's Ajman state stamps, 1972-1973
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1jX06axWCTE5eWcgp9CfgDIdFkQCubzVP?usp=sharing

>>14848417
Even ARCA rockets are cooler. Unironically.

>>14848423
I mean, it's cool that they're doing reusability with hydromeme but only from a material science perspective. The rocket itself is lame.

>>14848411
So far, they could only detect huge planets that are orbiting very close, which is biased towards hot gas giants.

>>14848413
>stellar wind as strong as the Suns but at 0.03 AU
they've been stripped bare

>>14848418
>just speed up the production bro
Why don't they do the same for starship?

>>14848431
because they can't launch it. they were producing a prototype per month and they've slowed WAY down to save money.

>>14848431
Why are you even mentioning Starship? We already have means to reach Mars, like Atlas V or Falcon Heavy, all you need is a payload.

>>14848413
>implying Earthers could ever make it here
lol. lmao even

>>14848437
because developing a large scale, low pressure atmosphere, helicopter is far more difficult than developing starship.
Both are something you can't "speed up" because then you skip the development part.

>popsci pseud thread

>>14848454
So if JPL can't speed up their work, we're left with the second option.
It's a joke that planetary exploration is like a lottery. Once in a few years, guys in suits decide whether we're going to explore Mars, Venus or maybe Uranus.

>>14848427
It'd be cool if they were doing more with it. I'd like to see regular tourist flights since I was around when the Ansari X prize was being contested. You could put an upper stage on the New Shepard tail and have a partly reusable smallsat launcher. There were chances for interesting things.

>>14848373
it is not by chance those look like massive dicks and people like little swimmers

>>14848459
The guys in suits are almost always NASA administrators and board members.
Currently Venus is a new point of interest, with missions like Shukrayaan-1, VERITAS, DAVINCI+, Venera-D, and EnVision under development

>>14848417
100X more soul than Elon musk's scam/fad-X.

>>14848467
I know, I don't like the fact that we're abandoning one planet for another.

>>14848468
100x0=0

>>14848467
>Venera-D
As much as I'd like to see it happen, I doubt the money is there

>>14848470
It's more about the fact that when more missions are launched to one place, the scientific community shares that information.
While waiting for new technologies to mature, they instead use developmental and existing technologies on planets where they've not been used before.
Venus has been sort of left alone for some time now, latest dedicated mission was a small mission by JAXA in 2010. Before that missions were in 2005 and 2004

>>14848470
It's an implicit vote of confidence in SpaceX. They're leaving Mars surface research to dudes with hand tools so they're focusing on the planet without a landable surface.

>>14848417
meh

>>14848476
I hope it gets better with the new Roskosmos admin.
They're aiming for some record with Venera-D, the mission is even named after the word "Дoлгoживyщaя", meaning "long-lasting". They're aiming for the lander to last up to 3 hours, which would be double of the 1½ hour record of Venera-13

>>14848419
13 stamps from the Ra's Al-Khaimah state of the UAE, 1969-1972
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1jgj--kZbs0yYSmai6vOjTXsgIGGsEhEL?usp=sharing

>>14848486
I'll just post two from the same series, all nine other stamps are Apollo stamps

starship launch NET 2023 https://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2022/09/starship-next-phase-of-testing/

>>14848490
That history report sure is taking a long time Elon

>>14848485
I don’t think the mission is going to go through unless ESA joins on and can be scammed into paying for a huge chunk of it. NASA was going to supply instruments, but as of the start of the ukraine situation Rogozin put a halt to any collaboration. And I don’t know if it they plan on dialoguing for this mission again. Roscosmos could have used NASA cooperation it would have added stability to the mission

>>14848486
>>14848489
modern airplanes were barely 10 years old when they were building the shuttle

Speaking of ESA and Venus, I noticed VEXAG's listserv announcement of a talk they're giving at EPSC summarizing the state of Venus missions. Might actually get some news out of that

https://meetingorganizer.copernicus.org/EPSC2022/session/44841

>>14848490
>SpaceX hopes to complete this by mid-next month and clear both vehicles for launch shortly after. However, as we’ve seen in the past few weeks, any issues encountered during this intense test campaign could well mean a slip to later into the year and, perhaps, into next year.
its over

>>14848456
The VAB is the coolest building in the world, faggot

>>14848490
Old news.

>>14848492
Venera-D's mission plan actually never called for European collaboration, they did ask NASA in 2014 if they wanted to have any instruments onboard, which formed the Venera-D JSDT.
Though the US imposed sanctions on Russia, Rogozin said that it'd be inappropriate for the JSDT to continue cooperation. That might have a chance of changing with Yury Borisov being in charge

>>14848486
>Saturn-Shuttle
We were robbed

>>14848510
>When your abort means staging on top of five million pounds of exploding rocket fuel

>>14848509
I know. I’m saying IF they asked Yourope (and the euros agreed)

>>14848470
the real Venus boom will happen once someone mans up and builds a high temp nuclear reactor that can power a cooler to bring the interior of a lander to lower temperatures. It could definitely be built the problem is that NASA takes a while just to build a reactor that works in room temperature

Can JWST loom at the centauri system planets? Just a mere 4 light years away.

>>14848523
It is

>>14848523
No

>y'all suck lmao
based

>>14848527
bullshit, every company says that. what they mean is they want cheap foreign labor.

>>14848523
it's hard, we need one hundred more billion dollars for that

>>14848530
this

>>14848530
Beware the pajeet

>>14848516
Russia would still have the funding to make the mission themselves

>>14848527
NZfag here, been in trades for years and applied to do composite manufacturing apprenticeship with rocketlab, I have a slick resume with great references. Didn't even get a call, white males need not apply I guess.

>>14848490
same year as SLS......

>>14848562
SLS is launching this month.

>>14848569
I want it to get pushed back to Oct 2 because that's my birthday and it'd be a wonderful gift to see it explode that day.

>>14848373
Game over.

>>14848527
Nah this is actually pretty legit

The entire aerospace workforce is reaching their 50s and 60s now, but pipeline for the entry-level jobs is next to nonexistent (see also that Inmarsat space survey for how low on the totem pole space is)

You're going to start seeing massive pushes for internships and career fairs over the next few years because they're not going to stick around to train their replacements

>>14848576
>9.7K views
anons I am going to start making spam spaceflight videos with disinformation thumbnails and a script I just copied from berger tweets. That many views = a lot of money

>>14848590
That many views is worth fuck all

>>14848590
See you in court.

>>14848590
based do it and I'll post your thumbnails here if they amuse me.

>disinformation
I know this has come to mean "narratives I don't like", but I didn't notice any egregious factual errors in the video.

>>14848556
Keep applying, HR everywhere loves to do stupid shit with resume screening

>>14848593
that’s a be4 with an arrow pointing to a new shepard

>>14848600
the thumbnails are always worse than the videos, thats why I like them.

Untiled Starship 26
What did SpaceX mean by this?

>>14848658
>JUST GET THAT PIECE OF SHIT LAUNCHING RIGHT NOW! NO SUGARCOATING!

>>14848658
Is it supposed to mean something?

>>14848669
Yeah, they stripped the remaining tiles from the nosecone and pushes it through the production line

>>14848669
They usually come out mostly covered with tiles.

Sheared flow stabilized z-pinch fusion drive is the future and all of you are too weak to accept that.

>>14848669
>>14848658
S26 and onwards (who knows how many) will not be recovered and will be fully focused on deploying Starlink V2

silentwakerecords.com

>>14848471
that's the true power of Starlink, it's forcing utilities to roll out good internet to more people or lose customers to Starlink

>>14848707
Why would you make your reusable vehicle expendable for launches to LEO?

>>14848726
jews hate him!
see how this man is bettering the lives of rural people with one easy trick

>>14848728
Something's changed in the workflow at Starbase and people are drawing wild assumptions as a result. I think it's more likely that the TPS has made a Raptor 1 to Raptor 2 update and It didn't make any sense completing a vehicle with the older materials.

>>14848693
teach us anon. all i know about zpinch is there is a hot ex-spacex girl working on it

>>14848753
they have a magical energy converter that makes their fusion squeezer work

>>14848728
They want to start launching them but haven't gotten the reusability worked out. Starlink relies heavily on Starship starting up and they'll get useful data for developing it further.

>>14848414
>He posts a corporate press release at me when I'm well aware that our government as well as the EU is pushing for cracked methane hydrogen
I've already seen billions and billions disappear out of tax money into other countries leaving behind shitty windmills that produce fuck all jobs and move all income across borders. I know how this game is played.

We pay, other people elsewhere take all the profit. Slap "green" on it and nobody will care until it's too late and it's already built.

NASA is a zombie organization.

>>14848764
They just have really shitty PR

Nobody knows what the various research centers are doing without having to dig through websites older than some people posting here have been alive

>>14848764
what's wrong anon? people retire, it happens. next year gwynne shotwell is retiring

>>14848762
I was obviously SPECIFICALLY talking about hydrogen produced with electrolysis.
>Slap "green" on it and nobody will care
Yes, methane pyrolysis is undesireable because it produces CO2. Obviously, when it's done industrially all of that CO2 is captured but it's less desireable because it's annoying.
>Guess where that hydrogen comes from. Protip: It's not from water.
It is absolutely from water you double nigger.

>>14848783
Well, the usual methane cracking releases CO2, pyrolysis doesn't but is annoying. that's what I meant.

>>14848480
so fucking epic
I lost all interest in space exploration in 2011

>>14848429
No atmosphere to get in the way of rocket launches, perfect

>>14848756
>energy converter
Liquid metal blanket that absorbs the heat and neutrons. At least that's what they're trying to do with the Zap Energy reactor for power production.

>>14848783
You posted a corporate press release about a demonstration setup.
It's not fucking happening.

>>14848417
What’s up with all the self-fellation? Even funnier since it actually looks like a penis.

>>14848417
Cock worship

>>14848693
How hard is it /sfg/ to dump 8,400,000,000,000 watts of electrical input power to initiate the reaction?

>>14848810
easy, I've got it in a day

>>14848587
Maybe they should pay entry level sorts better, or get people to stick around and train them
Hehe or just try to hire the finite amount of experienced 40 year Olds

>>14848790
A tech demonstrator of pyrolysis is not making hydrogen in any meaningful amount.

>>14848817
I actually know very little about electrical stuff. How impossible/plausible is it to actually store that much power in a capacitor bank and then release it all at once?

>>14848845
power and energy are very different things
energy is power for a certain amount of time, if you only need to generate that much power for a few nanoseconds it's much easier

https://youtu.be/JzWSYJBSAl4

>>14848853
jesus christ another one?

>>14848428
Didnt it detect planet 100au away

>>14848855
yesterday scrubbed

>>14848853
>>14848855
>>14848859
wait fuck

>>14848849
Isn't it the other way around?

>>14848862
watts are power
joules are energy
watts is joules per second
don't get confused because I worded it in a strange way, it's just commutative algebra

>>14848437
>all you need is a payload
What companies are working on moon and mars habitats, and the tools and robotics ais to assist in base/habitat, solar farm construction, what machine and technique would be able to be planted firmly in martin soil to tip a starship down horrizontal, to use as a base or if starship can have parachute after belly flop to upright landing position with parachute, if it's an unmanned ship, or I don't know, there's been no long term tests about how the materials we would use to build structures hold up over time inside and outside and making ground and.foundation.

Do yeah we hear all about the work on all the rockets, but what's the 20 to 30 and more years of base and habitat in space and on moon and mars, being done by

>>14848853
Is this one going to weather scrub too?

>>14848884
already did
>>14848861

>>14848865
Did I do the thing?

>>14848527
What does the pathway track of competently helpfully working in the aerospace industry and what are the talent needed roles like

>starlink launch scrubbed
why even live

>>14848523
What is the result of this did it do it? It sees 1000 lightyear exoplanet look like little dot has it posted images of much closer yet?

cursed mission

How certsain and prescise and strong and sturdy and agile and powerful is the hardware software computer engineering to make starship land itself, that's a miraculous feat the oft undiscussed computer electronics programing of spaceflight activities, it's crazy cool

>>14848658
Spaceflight is the ultimate carnival ride

>>14848889
I remeber som anon posting a webpage of some space company, and i remember a lot of open positions, some lame like Cum master and others like avionics engineer, software architect, the thing is if you have more than 5 years of experience in a STEM field you could apply and even get a call. I remember writing how my dad checked every requirement for the avionics technician and more but he doesnt like the US so he didnt apply, that actually made me seethe for a while Tbh.

>>14848902
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPjDfN9E74o

>>14848810
>>14848887
I think I fucked up idk.

>>14848810
von braun spinning in his grave should provide enough power

big window

>>14848911
>Cum master
Aye laddie?

>>14848902
Kek I'm also getting spammed by the daily Starlinks. I wish they had an option to disable certain notifications.

I think I might have an idea of why dynetic's lander wasn't physically possible

>>14848821
The problem is that people make decisions about their major years in advance. You have to raise pay and keep it high for five years consistently to convince smart college kids to go into your field instead of CS.

>>14848911
>and i remember a lot of open positions, some lame like Cum master

I am highly skilled and experienced in this field, where do I apply?

NASA has functional rotating detonation engines, this is something no amount of China stronk posting can overcome.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqFZb3wgq8Y

>>14849029
so does Japan, but are they even worth it?

>>14849029
it will never work. china created an arteficial sun and discover new lunar crystal to solve the energy crisis. you have done nothing

>>14849031
>Rotating detonation rocket engine technology has shown significant performance advantages over standard constant pressure combustors and hence are the subject of increased R&D efforts around the globe. Basic thermodynamic studies have shown that the benefit from the rotating detonation cycle can be as high as 10% to 15% - which is game-changing when applied to launch and in-space propulsion systems.

>>14849037
>10-15% improvement
>Rotating Detonation Brapvac with >400s Isp
It's over, hydrogen is finished.

>>14849029
This is just an aerospike by another name

>>14849027
>>14849003
Thats how /g/ like to call Scrum Masters, wich is basically a meeting master Imo.

>>14849040
what about rotating nuclear detonation engine?

>>14849037
It's impressive, but I gotta wonder if this is just another incarnation of the same efficiency demon that made everyone think hydrogen was a great first stage fuel back in the 80s and 90s. Rotating detonation makes for a nice engine, but at this point everyone and their dog can kludge together a simple gas generator design and then get to orbit with a rocket that was far quicker and cheaper to design and build.

>>14849040
Nah, Aerojet will just design an RL10 derivative that use it and it'll be only upper stage engine America is allowed to use for the next five thousand years. Although that'd be something like 540s Isp so it wouldn't be completely terrible.

>>14848438
>here

>>14849020
A certain comic comes to mind

I had this in my office for years

>>14848587
>waah all our talent is old and dusty
>oh you're a young man with a degree but no real experience? go flip burgers faggot, I'm not running a school here.

>>14849064
Might just be Rocket Lab's problem

NASA, LockMart, Boeing, the usual suspects seem to have no problem getting people into their school to career pipelines. This is especially true for NASA, which encourages fresh grad students on long duration space missions because, well, they'll still be alive when the mission reaches its destination (hell I think the youngest person working on Voyager is in her 50s or 60s)

But then again they do get to take their pick from the cream of the crop of the nation's aerospace programs. The startups probably have slim pickings after the big dogs lure people away with generous offers. I wonder if ex-Astra-anon is around, he'd probably have a story or two

>>14849041
It is nothing like an aerospike anon.

>>14848556
from what I've heard mate, old mate thinks hes Elon Musk and works people like slaves, so you probably didn't miss out on much if that environment doesn't excite you

>>14848587
>Be me
>Fresh out of college doing an engineering degree
>Not enough experience for proper aerospace jobs
>Lots of openings for technicians building the actual shit
What should I do? It would feel weird being the smartest guy working on the factory floor with a degree that I could be using. I would be getting blisters and inhaling welding fumes as opposed to running calculations on wing stress deflections, with the smartly-dressed "guys from engineering" looking down upon us from the walkway. However I suppose it would be a good way to get into the industry and to get some practical experience.

>>14848658
How fast can they make these? How many exist now and would be ready to try to go to moon and mars? Imagine an amount were in production to make over20 or 30 exist making more and more to send 10 back to back.to.back to the moon and mars with rovers.and.copters.and drills and drones and habitat test and robots and chemistry air machine water machine test

>>14849083
nepotism, same as every field
getting good jobs requires you have someone to pull you in
anyone not in the clique is banned from them and can only expect serfdom

>>14849020
>I think I might have an idea of why dynetic's lander wasn't physically possible
NRHO and full reusability is the root cause. Not only does the lander have to do with a single stage what the Apollo Lunar Module did with two, it also needs 1500 m/s of extra delta-v.

In comparison the National Team lander is THREE stages, a Cygnus derived tug to bring it to LLO, then the descent and ascent modules. I hate BO so much.

>>14849105
They were probably dreaming about all the contracts they could write up to modify the modular lander for various missions instead of delivering one that can be used for all of them

>>14849105
sustainability has become the most jewish word in history

>>14848523
even though JWST has better fidelity than expected it still is nowhere close to being able image an earth analogue
https://arxiv.org/pdf/2208.14990.pdf

Fuel depots orbiting the moon?

>>14849083
I was kind of in the same boat after graduating MSME 2yrs ago. Got interviews with SpaceX, LM, NG, etc. but all of them told me I needed more experience (I didn't do any aero internships/co-ops or rocket club in school - in hindsight a big mistake). Almost landed one at Astra which I'm kind of grateful I didn't since they seem to be crashing and burning.

I'm now working for an aerospace component supplier as a materials engineer. I get pretty good access to lots of different projects for all of the major companies so it does scratch my spaceflight itch to an extent and I've already made some good connections. Actually recently got offered a job at NG for their space systems division but as a manufacturing engineer which I don't want to touch for the same reasons you don't.

Personally just going to stay where I'm at for a few more years while newspace settles down a little; I don't want to be at a dinosaur company or a startup that will go bankrupt in 6 months if they fuck up a single launch.

>>14849029
Congrats
Now put it on a rocket

>>14849154
Congrats that's really cool

>>14849063
>implying the diversity hires even know of that game

>>14849105

>>14848968
I mean, it is only over the course of a few micro seconds. Is it really that difficult?

Is the second manned Mars mission going to be all about the first woman and first colored person. Once it's determined to be safe?

>>14849154
>Went to college
>Didn't network
You literally defeated the entire point of going to college anon.

>>14849148
A rocket fueled by cow farts?

>>14849175
Yes I realize that, but tell that to an autistic mechanical engineering major

>>14849170
It can be done in a lab on mains power, but the equipment is pretty heavy-duty.

>>14848760
Launch, delivery payload, attempt to land. Its a test and a delivery at the same time

>>14849072
What are the odds Rocklab actually pulls of Neutron, or is it all just hype.

>>14849200
I'm sure you could shove a small nuclear reactor that's there purely as a pilot light/reserve power source that's only like a couple MW to even just a few KW of power.

>>14849214
Theyre building it right now. Odds are good

>>14848810
Ion2Plazma
Expansion dynamiks

>>14849105
isnt national team dead in the water?

>>14848845
Yes. even for the perfect combustion rate combustion moves in all directions .. though a highly reflective surface and viscous fluid is already borderline plasma

but the gradient capacitor is more efficient

>>14849285
Not anymore. We sold the stock in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thales_Alenia_Space so feel free to experiment and be creative/bold. Main issue is the habitat designs are shit... there is plenty of available pieces.

>>14849161
A KSP recreation of an Apollo-style moon landing should be mandatory before getting in. Hell, it should be mandatory before posting here.

>>14849293
It'd have to be in RO because I do some goofy stuff when I have access to cryogenics and parts that can survive 3G re-entry without breaking a sweat

>>14849285
Last I heard the Senate Appropriations Committee demanded that NASA select a second lander for a mission after Artemis 3, the first manned landing of the program. There is increased emphasis on sustainability but I don't know if that precludes the original National Team design or if they'll have to change it.

Potential static fire today

>>14849285
They're looking for legal ways to feed the pork

>>14849348
Sustainability sounds like code for the project's cost estimation for continuous production

Anyone trying to compete with HLS is going to by necessity have to compete with a design that will be partially subsidized by commercial LEO cargo and possibly even LEO space tug refueling

That's going to be one hell of an uphill battle unless these geniuses figure out how to turn Starliner plus Cygnus into a lunar lander

good morning spacecels
how's that mars mission going?

/sfg/ is dead and the collagefag killed it

>>14849404
Its going according to plan

>>14849404

Are you man enough to egress via a pram cover /sfg/?

>>14849540
You're in hong kong aren't you

>>14849551
I'm in chong pong actually

>>14849540
Me and my baby in '69, oh, oh
It was the summer, summer, summer of '69
(Yeah)

>>14849540
MODS

>>14849540
looks like a dick n balls lolololol

>>14848435
They slowed down bacause the FAA has them by the balls. They got to quadruple check every of their procedures before they are allowed to do one of their few FAA granted test launches per year.

>>14849610
two starships and a dream chaser

Falcon upper stages might be the first true mass produced rocket. They've built hundreds in 2 decades, and now use one a week or more.

>>14849661
Astra BTFO

>>14849645
Your copium reserves sir

>>14848373
starship test flight when? its been more than a year already

>>14849699
it’s been 2 years

>>14849699
in 2 weeks

>>14849661
Soyuz?

>>14849699
2023

>road closure cancelled
How much longer...

>>14849661
Nigger the Soviets sent up like 2 soyuz a week for over a decade

>>14849737
For what? What did those 2 soyuz a week accomplish?

>>14849781
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Kosmos_satellites

>>14849781
90% of our knowledge of long term habitation in space comes from Soviet research

>>14849781
Like everything? All from sending crew and supplies to various space stations, sending up experiments to see how materials and animals/plants lasts in space during various circumstance, a shit ton of communication, reconnaissance and ICBM detection satellites, a bunch of cooperations with other countries to send up their experiments into space, a bunch of interplanetary probes etc.

>>14848902
What app gives you those notifications?

Morning, /sfg/. Anything cool happening today?

>>14849810
Next Spaceflight
It also has a neat thing where you can look up any launches that happened this day. Today though it's a massive bunch of Kosmos launches, and Soyuz-22

>>14849063
is that the journey of the galileo space probe?

>>14849781
Spy satellites. The Soviets didn't get digital downlinks working properly for decades after the US did so they were dropping film canisters out of orbit. One of the plans for MOL had been swapping out those canisters by hand, but by the 70s the US had figured out encrypted digital downlinks.

>>14849803
How much of that cadence if any was because their satellite technology wasn't as durable as western?

>>14849822
They also had to deal with being in a higher latitude, that probably didn't help.

>>14849823
A lot, but a big part in it as well was because it became very cheap send up pretty much everything they needed using the same architecture there you could just put in whatever you needed in satellite shells of vostok heritage. This meant they could send up effectively many more times of useful mass to orbit for the same amount of resources put in comparison to the US. Not to mention that digital images from satellites were complete ass even for the US and the Soviets were decades behind in that technology so film it was which meant many satellites sent up were only as useful as the amount of film they carried with them.

>>14849819
>Next Spaceflight
But it's more fun to ask my frens.

>>14849737
Wrong. Russian launches were split into half a dozen or so different rockets during those times.

There's Soyuz family, Voshkhod, Kosmos, Molniya, Tsiklon, etc.

All of them were launching concurrently at same time period. Thats why the launch record looks to be in the 100 over the years.

The number isn't purely Soyuz. Soyuz was the most launched of them all, but the number was in the ~40s-50s per year. Not 100s.

So Falcon 9 is still the record holder here.

>>14849848
Molniya and Voshkhod are a part of the Soyuz family you retard. There's less difference between it and Soyuz-U and there's between Falcon Block 1.1 and Falcon Block 5. The big majority of launches were from the Soyuz/R-7 family.

>>14849848
They’re literally all søyuzes dumbass

>>14849848
Soviet categorize their rockets more based on payloads they were launching than the differences between the rockets. Soyuz, Vostok, Voskhod and Molniya has basically the same architecture with slight differences in upper stages and performance of the boosters. But calling them different rockets would be a stretch to say the least. I wouldn't say you would get an entirely different rocket by making the Falcon 9 upper stage slightly longer for a comparison.

They were all mass produced using the same structures and engines.

>>14849848
this is your brain on spacex synodrome

>>14849737
So a private company is halfway there to match a record of a former world power.

>>14849880
>”I think it’s the best because X”
>well actually no, because Y
>”THIS IS AN UNFAIR COMPARISON THIS IS APPLES AND ORANGES ALL I SEE IS THAT YOU ARE GOING TO TAKE SOVIET LAUNCH DATA AND THAT BECOMES THE COMPARISON ITS NOT THAT EASY IN STATISTICTRY”

https://youtu.be/9vZVcI1gwEU

>>14849885
I'm not that anon, lol, calm down.

Enough about this soyuz vs falcon faggotry. Which hypergolic fuel/oxidizer combo is the most based?

>>14849903
chlorine pentafluoride and MMH, probably the best you can do before you start getting into meme fluoride mixtures that take your propellant from “really dangerous” to “retardedly unsafe”. You can enrich with beryllium or lithium dust or something too for an extra kick in performance

What's the easiest rocket fuel to make at home?
People were doing this shit 50 years ago, surely making it can't be that hard.

>>14849939
distill hydrogen peroxide or make solid rocket fuel or something

>>14849493
New sexy Twitter profile photo.

>>14849885
It amazes me that such a large percentage of /sci/ doesn't have even the most basic understanding of derivatives.

>>14849903
HTP(catalyzed decomposition)+kerosene

>>14849493
>>14849953

>>14849655
more like a venturestar

>>14849964
woah, he really is king

>>14849970
No, he is the First Elon of Mars.

>>14849154
Congratulations on not getting hired by Astra!

>>14849967
that would actually be kino

>>14849261
>>14849214
8t payload is too low. Will become irrelevant.

How normal people argue:
>I think it's the best because X
>Well actually no, because Y
>Well I still think it's the best because even though X isn't completely true, Y is an extreme case and there are other factors besides X that Y doesn't address.
How autists argue:
>>14849885

>>14850066
8 tons is more than enough for nearly any LEO satellite currently in use. And more than enough to ferry supply spacecraft to stations, Progress and Cygnus are both ~8 tons

NASA's astronaut selection process is completely broken. NASA should hire people experienced in underwater welders.

>>14850071
you have to dream a little bigger, darling.
Businesses have to plan for the future, not for the past.

>>14850074
kill my grammar, i meant experienced in underwater welding

>>14850074
You have already made this post.

>>14850078
This would be the first version of Neutron, it could expand capabilities in the future. Falcon 9 1.0 could lift 10 tons into orbit and couldn't be reused, so I'd say 8 tons to orbit witha reusable booster is already advanced than SpaceX's first F9

>>14850091
exactly my point - they are building something which is nice for today's industry.
But you need to design for the future. Any rocket <50t is not relevant.
>>14850088
And I stand by it. Astronaut selection has a serious Supply-Demand problem.

>>14850002
Elon is a leader of the Israelites in the Book of Judges, a pretty understandable biblical figure to base the name off of your elected religious leader off of. He might also have been honoring Elon Galusha, first president of the Baptist Anti-Slavery Society. Musk's parents giving him a somewhat uncommon name is in character for them, all the musk siblings have unusual names (Kimbal, Tosca). I'm surprised no one has just asked his parents why they went with that name.

>>14849003
>>14848911
>>14849027
>accept the position
>first day on the job
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0lN0w5HVT8

>>14850097
After him, Elon the Zebulunite led Israel ten years. 12 Then Elon died and was buried in Aijalon in the land of Zebulun.

For some reason reading text which is 3000+ years old feels so cool

>>14849037
>better efficiency
cool, but what does the thrust to weight ratio look like?
is it dogshit?

>>14850107
>Aijalon in the land of Zebulun
I tried looking it up and the location of this town/city is unknown today. I wish I could know how many settlements have been lost to time, there's probably shitloads just off the coasts underwater, worldwide.

>>14850097
>I'm surprised no one has just asked his parents why they went with that name.
They first became romantically involved after discovering a shared interest in naming children after characters featured in fiction written by former Nazi rocket scientists.

https://spaceref.com/space-commerce/thinkorbital-awarded-spacewerx-orbital-prime-contract/

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOORB is back

>>14850127
Their loveless coupling was performed for the sole task of bringing the first Martian Emperor into being. His job finished, Errol left in order to instil just the right amount of insecurity and motivation in his progeny.

>>14850096
>Any rocket <50t is not relevant.
So you support SLS?

>>14850139
I approve, building things in situ is the future

static canceled again, when will the lord allow us to indulge in all 33 engines

>still no capstone update
having a concern here bros

>>14850147
Anon do you not understand simple logic?
>If A doesn't have X, then A is bad
Doesn't mean
>Everything which has X is good

>>14850154
It's dead, Jim.

>>14850002
>universal suffrage
Mars bros I don't know about this

>>14850154
you need to read between the lines, apparently Nelson is wearing a black suit today

>>14850127
lol von braun's story was unpublished at that time

and let's be real here-the elon is an elected native Martian leader, not the name of a charismatic mogul or an earthly leadership figure in the story. the "prediction" is false aside from the incidental commonality of the names. i feel like if this really was the hand of destiny and not a superficial coincidence we'd get a little bit more of a commonality between the text and reality.

on the other hand using this as an example of divine prophecy implies that von braun, a member of an Episcopal church, was apportioned divine guidance, implying that Protestantism is correct and that most of our dead relatives aren't being roasted in hell for denying the authority of the pope...

>>14848373
>ctrlf the catalogue for telescope
>ctrlf this thread
I am disappointing that no one is discussing the recent discoveries by the Webb telescope. Apparently the big bang theory might be in danger of invalidation...

>>14850074
>underwater welders
I don't think there's enough colored people or women that do that job to fill NASAs demand.

>>14850166
not spaceflight related

>>14850166
the abundance of big galaxies at high redshifts has been discussed here

>>14850170
>abundance of big galaxies at high redshifts has been discussed here
Asking for a friend, but can you explain this

Anyone else gonna invest in spacex?

>>14850166
https://www.space.com/james-webb-space-telescope-science-denial

>>14850166
It's just another computer wallpaper machine. Nothing actionable.

>>14850176
I don't know how stocks work or where you buy them sorry

>>14850183
It's not normal stocks. It's just a indication of interest. https://www.spacedventures.com/raise-petitions/spacex

>>14850173
wish I could into cosmology, they probably need to change some parameters of their models

>>14850183

Someone from /biz/ can explain it better though. I just read about it today

https://www.benzinga.com/news/22/09/28876417/elon-musks-spacex-gets-over-8m-in-investment-pledge-from-public-in-double-quick-time-crowdfunding-pl

>>14850176
efficient market hypothesis

>>14850173
Mike McCulloch has been vindicated and a Nobel is inevitable

>>14850173
The short version is that galaxies seem to have formed earlier and faster than we thought in the history of the universe.

>>14850179
> denialism meme
why would you link trash like that?

>>14850192
wut

>>14850200
Cause it's a good article. Read it.

>>14850176
they can’t even raise a rocket into the lower troposphere

>>14850200
you're falling into the "anyone against the status quo is right" trap. There's nothing wrong with being cautious and skeptical about mainstream ideas, but that skepticism should cut both ways towards whatever seeks to challenge that mainstream. Lerner's criticisms of the big bang are not very good, but if you lack an education on the relevant topics the flaws in his evidence and reasoning are hard to parse.

>>14850139
it was foretold

>>14850166
Go post some cool shit then. Don't wait for other people to do shit, do shit yourself.

https://news.mit.edu/2022/astronomers-models-planetary-data-0915
>“We found that there are enough parameters to tweak, even with a wrong model, to still get a good fit, meaning you wouldn’t know that your model is wrong and what it’s telling you is wrong,” de Wit explains.
Well I guess it will take even longer for us to get Trappist's results now.

>>14850228
No, I know Lerner is full of shit. But I also know the denialist meme - "anyone against the status quo is wrong" is lunkheaded and somewhat sinister. Just make arguments, no need for it

>>14850202
there are go good or bad investments. All investment strategies are the same. Even buying and selling at a random time a random stock

>>14850139
>“We’re exploring the possibility of delivering a platform with 4000m3 of internal volume in a single-launch configuration.
LEO isn't looking so bad anymore. With electron beam welding, spinhabs are just around the corner. We're going to make it, fellas.

>>14849815
two launches (if the weather cooperates):
Electron with StriX in an hour
yet another Starlink launch this evening

>>14850228
Redshift is obviously quantized. Lerner is incorrect about a steady-state universe, but modern physics is wrong about redshift.

>>14850294
Speaking of spinhabs...

https://spacenews.com/vast-space-intro/
>Vast Space, a Southern California startup founded by cryptocurrency billionaire Jed McCaleb, plans to establish an artificial-gravity space station in low Earth orbit.

>McCaleb envisions a future where millions of people are living throughout the solar system. Since other companies are helping to reduce launch costs, McCaleb thinks the next important step will be creating large structures where people can live and work in space.

>>14850301
>yet another Starlink launch this evening
hope the booster manages to land in once piece this time

>>14850164
>not believing in kek or sneed
you will sweep for eternity, for free

>>14850304
Oh shit. I remember Vast getting announced some months back, but they hadn't released any information yet. Honestly, the partial gravity sections of their station is their most valuable offering for biomedical research. Apparently they're hiring.

https://www.vast.space/technology

>>14848550
Money is useless without sanity.

>>14850328
>wearing a mask
>jeans
>not 300 pounds overweight
Fucking fed...

>>14848658
pinhead

>>14848658
FULLY METALLIC ACTIVELY COOLED TPS let's fucking goooooo

>>14850400
fully metal TPS would be SO based. Imagine throwing tiles on one time on the factory line and never ever having to worry about them again

I remember years back when people here were calling the anons with tile concerns FUD posters

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Total_Recall_2070
>By the year 2070, Earth and Mars (as well as space stations) are ruled by a unified government known as the Interplanetary Council (IPC). However, much of the real power is held by the Consortium, composed of at least six multi-global companies that financed the colonization of Mars.
>The known six companies [include] Uber Braun, the rocket and robotics corporation
rockets and robotics, hmmm

>>14850434
I’ve been worried about the tiles since CRS-18

>>14850434
They still are

>>14850438
weyland-yutani from the alien franchise made a connection between space exploration, megacorps and robotics very strong in the 70s and 80s

>>14850176
Already am. Worked for them for 2.5 years as an assembly/dev tech and managed to buy about $100k at the employee discount price before I burned out, pandemic happened, and I went back to school. Hasn't burned me so far... "line go up".

https://youtu.be/I9aYHnHaFAk
live

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9aYHnHaFAk

Live!

>>14849953
handsome thursday

>>14850176
>>14850187
I unironically might stick a grand in this if SpaceX goes public. I don't actually think it's a good idea, I think they're positioned just fine in the market and have sufficient funding. In many ways, the rabid growth model is fucking retarded and ultimately harmful. In a world where SpaceX is publically traded though, I think it would be worth investing in on principle. I thought about putting some money into some of the meme SPACs but they all seem to be fairly obviously dogshit companies cashing in on the hype, with no real plans to ever be profitable. I think fusion is a better place to invest right now, but I won't list specifics.

>>14850523
they're not going public. mars isnt profitable

lmao SpaceX will never be publicly traded

Elon has had enough run-ins with the SEC to last him a lifetime.

>>14850534
It'd be as easy as spinning off a Mars company and buying launches from SpaceX. You could do this in like, an hour.

>Throwing batteries into the ocean from Orbit
Dangerously based.

lmao that recruiting pitch

>>14848510
>shittle ignition inflight
ohfuck temperature sensor x2054 is off by .2° better abort
ngmi

>>14850534
It's not about profit, it's about reminding the rest of the world that they're inferior to America and Americans.
And that, my friend, is worth every penny.

>>14850545
I wonder what battery chemistry they use. Using rechargeable lithium ion seems like a dumb since they throw them off when dead

>>14850556
lithium-polymer

>>14850556
They do use lithium-polymer. The advantage is lithium batteries are very light weight.

They won't catch this booster?

>>14850556
Throwing them away in important since any dead weight would reduce the rocket's payload capacity. There wasn't much thought given to reuse since no one was thinking about reusing any of the rocket until recently.

>>14850568
I think all of the rockets that they're producing from now on are the red stripe variety, but this wasn't one of them. They probably still have a stack of the old expendable model waiting for payloads.

What kind of retrograde almost polar bizzaro orbit is this? Also kino music.

>>14850545
>>14850556
>>14850571
the majority of the batteries are in the first stage and they're fully reused.
the second stage gets discarded anyway so might as well throw them off.

>>14850602
also you can definitely make a way more mass and volume efficient battery that destroys itself in one discharge cycle.
you would have to spin up a whole production line for that though so using the same mass produced rechargeable chemistry as the first stage is just financially sensible.

Capstone update, thank god

>CAPSTONE received some relatively good news on the recovery progress for the spacecraft. The communications situation has dramatically improved, the power state of the spacecraft appears to be sufficient for continuous (duty cycled) heating of the propulsion system which dropped below its operational temperature, Over the past few days, CAPSTONE’s power – though limited by the orientation of the spacecraft in its spin relative to the Sun – appears to be sufficient for heating of the propulsion system. When the spacecraft propulsion system temps are at +5C for 12+ hours the system will be further evaluated for use in the recovery operation. Information on the cause of the anomaly has been obtained and is being evaluated, and recovery plans that mitigate risk of further anomalous behavior are being developed. We do not have a timeline for a recovery attempt, but the team is working hard to make progress guided by what we are learning from the data with an explicit goal to minimize further risk to the mission.

>>14850643
inb4 they do the whole mission with it spinning by just pulsing the thruster and the instruments at the right time

>>14850649
I've had to do this in KSP when I forget the RCS

>>14850643
I hope shit like this doesn't happen in a spacecraft with astronauts inside.

>>14850665
Remember how the Orion capsule had a critical power system component fail but they didn't fix it because it would involve tearing apart half the craft (multi billion dollar engineering project and you can't even access critical components lmao) so they just said "this is why we have redundancies" so now the whole power system is at the mercy of one component that has its twin fail already.

Lol

Lmao even

>>14850665
the astronaut bodies convert the crafts rotational energy into thermal energy.
it's that easy in spaceflight

>>14850674
For the love of God

Russia says starlink is a legitamite target

>>14850434
The tiles literally dont matter. It could lose all the tiles and still survive (at least a few reentries)

>>14850696
Russia says a lot of dumb shit

>>14850696
Dual use technology has some drawbacks

>>14850696
I’m a retard forgot the pic

What would happen if Russia did knock down a starlink?

>>14850481
>>14850482

>>14850696
I say Russia is a legitimate target

>>14850696
I almost want to see them do something against Starlink so Musk gets pissed and starts flooding DoD with piss cheap precision weapons.

>>14850696
do it putnigger. launch those ASATs. it'll be faster for everyone involved.

>>14850704
Starlink loses 0.01% of its bandwidth

>>14850696
Lol do it

>>14850704
You'd see people start inventing anti-ASAT tech

We've already seen satellites perform avoidance maneuvers, but things could get active. Also if Russia starts shooting down sats people would start treating every orbital launch of theirs as hostile

What's your favorite shuttle orbiter? I'm obsessed with Atlantis.

>>14850721
You already know

>>14850721
I'm an Enterprise man

The original meme contest winner

>>14850721
I've spit on this ship many times at KSC. Fuck Atlantis.

>>14850713
Starlink is all on the same orbital plane, if you really wanted to fuck it up you could get some chain reactions going and Kessler that shit bad. Either way they shouldn't be providing starlink to Ukraine, shits provocative af and is the kind of thing that can escalate really quickly.

>>14849661
the v2 is still the most-launched rocket of all time and that's not going to change any time soon

>What's your favorite shuttle orbiter? I'm obsessed with Atlantis.

>>14850716
Kinetic asats are never going to be viable against megaconstellations for the exact same reasons that asats are great against conventional satellites: they're on the wrong side of the price differential. A $5 million dollar missile is great against a billion dollar spy satellite but trash against a communications satellite that only cost $250,000 and rolls four per day off an assembly line.

If you really want to start taking out a megaconstellation you need something like a surface to orbit laser.

>>14850736
>provocative
My dude, when you're openly supplying arms and materiel to the other side of an armed conflict I'm not sure you can get more provocative than that unless you actually start shooting

>>14850736
>free internet
>provocative af

>>14850749
>Providing military communications over civilian hardware

They aren't using it to look at funny cat pictures faggot.

>>14850745
the difference between the two is that SpaceX is a private company, not a country
Especially when the point of Starlink was almost exclusively for peaceful purposes

>>14850759
>free internet
>b-but you can't use it for that
cope

>>14850764
Not an argument

>>14850759
Well they would be if Russia weren't invading them. Giving military aid to a country is not grounds for war, sperging out over communications assistance is just pathetic.

It's naive to think that starlink was never going to be used for military communications, but it's also naive to think that it wouldn't become a target for exactly that reason. In fact it's much easier to start busting starlinks up because you aren't shooting down US government hardware, just some civilians shit.

>>14850736
>you could get some chain reactions going and Kessler that shit bad
How stupid are you? Kessler that shit? First you need to actually live in reality where that can happen. In this one it can't. Believe it or not, there's a lot of space in space. you could blow up half the starlinks in orbit right now and SpaceX would never see a single collision. It's statistically impossible. Every sat collision to date has been orchestrated with purpose, contrary to what alphabet soup will tell you.

>>14850776
But you don't understand. Russia will use their super secret ASAT missiles to perfectly reverse the debris' orbit.

>>14850776
>Believe it or not, there's a lot of space in space

Not at the orbits starlinks are operating on, compared to GEO and other high orbital birds they are practically right next to each other and pass over the same places very often and quickly.

>Every sat collision to date has been orchestrated with purpose

Take your meds

I would just put up a satellite that has the capability to toast solar panels, that's not a hard task for modern lasers. Just plop it in a high orbit and toast them as they come past below.

>>14850784
>birds
glow harder

>>14850696
>russia says
stopped reading there

>>14850736
>>14850745
>>14850759
>>14850797
cry more queer

>>14850736
Vlad, its go time...

>>14850784
5 unintentional high speed collisions ever recorded
1996 - active french military recon sat and Ariane "debris" (let's not cause an international incident!)
2009 - irridium and "soviet debris"
2013 - russian nanosat and "red chinese debris" (such a small cross section, what are the chances!)
2013 - two cubesats from two separate south american countries collide with the same "soviet debris" (what are the chances!)
2021 - first chinese sat quietly missing, no acknowledgement from china, collides with "soviet debris"
I sense a pattern :)

>>14850792
Thinking about it more you don't even need a laser or anything, so long as you are above their orbital plane you can just load something up with an IR targeting system and 50,000 rounds of .22, no dv change needed for your projectiles, you just shoot downwards and intercept.

>>14850811
simply manifest a soviet debris cloud

>>14850759
Off-the-shelf is a well-established procurement principle. And it's not like Russia has ceased its own imports of telecommunications equipment from foreign vendors.

>>14850774
> you aren't shooting down US government hardware, just some civilians shit.
Legally, there's no difference. Attacks on a country's property still call for an fitting response, especially if it's infrastructure of strategic importance.

>>14850811
Still thinking about this, if you wanted to take a magazine size hit you could load up with 20mm or 40mm VT fuzed rounds to absolutely guarantee a kill for each shot, shrapnel cloud will waste the target even if you miss by a decent margin. Lol taking down a megaconatellation would be easy for even a small nation state if they had launch facilities and the balls to do it.

>>14850728
Best girl

>>14850847
The difference is that SpaceX is conciously making the decision to use their communication satellites to support a foreign nation's military.
And also that legally Starlink is a military target, as defined by the Geneva convention Article 52(2) of Additional Protocol I (API).

>2. Attacks shall be limited strictly to military objectives. In so far as objects are concerned, military objectives are limited to those objects which by their nature, location, purpose or use make an effective contribution to military action and whose total or partial destruction, capture or neutralization, in the circumstances ruling at the time, offers a definite military advantage.

>>14850859
By that logic Russia should be bombing US Javelin factories.

>>14850859
To add to that is paragraph 3

>3. In case of doubt whether an object which is normally dedicated to civilian purposes, such as a place of worship, a house or other dwelling or a school, is being used to make an effective contribution to military action, it shall be presumed not to be so used.

>>14848905
Its just stochastic optimal control bro

>>14850674
lol I'd totally forgotten. Thank you for making me angry enough to shake off the evening slump.

>>14850920
dont respond to the schizo

>>14850859
That doesn't matter. Attacks on American (or any self-respecting country's) property will receive an appropriate response.
There is no "you can hit me but I can't hit you back" in international law, or in realpolitik.

>>14850696
I mean they are an active participant in the war, that doesn't mean Russia can do anything about it.

>>14850588
launch it you fags
fuck the faa

>>14850940
Nor is there a "I can hit you but you can't hit me" policy, Starlink is directly assisting in a conflict, it is hence an active target.
The only way to avoid that is to limit SL to strictly civilian use

>>14850940
>>14850963
all true
starlink hit with communications and russia hit back with hacking

>>14850721
Was Endeavor the most heavily modified and upgraded? I have always been partial to Challenger either way

>>14850967
>with hacking
kek. i'm sure they're having a lot of success

>>14850192
I believed in EMH until I watched coronavirus emerge from china on 4chan and not a single fucking institution reacted for days

It's absolutely possible for a normal person to be ahead of the news cycle and the market has yet to act on "public information". But I may never get another chance like that in my life.

>>14850967
Didn't they run tests on ground based blinding lasers?
They launched some test satellites for it few months after the war started

>>14850963
>Starlink is directly assisting in a conflict,
So are any number of companies based outside of the combatants. This is just generic Russian sabre-rattling; like all the other threats, nothing will come of it.
>The only way to avoid that is to
have enough power that you can't be bullied. Even Turkey and Finland have managed that.

>>14850975
iirc the lasers are specifically for blinding imaging sats

>>14850968
It wasn't as much modifications or upgrades as it was Rockwell slowly learning how to optimize the orbiter's weight. Each shuttle was a slight improvement on the ones before it, but there was a noticeable jump from Columbia to Challenger and then to Discovery-Atlantis. Endeavour was able to add a few technical upgrades that Rockwell had wanted to include in later orbiters but not nearly as many as they had originally proposed to NASA.

inb4 fsb steals the entirety of the starlink constellation irreversibly

>>14850984
To the best of the public's knowledge a satellite has never been hacked. Plenty of ground stations have though.

There are regular competitions to hack one too

>>14849645
If you can own 100 square acres of which planes rarely if ever cross what would be the reasoning as to why you could not launch a self landing rocket straight up and down a couple times a day on your property, and even a few parabolic.

>>14850987
yeah i'm sure starlink is being hammered though. i can't imagine a target more enticing to giga autists.

>>14849803
Imagine the next 100 years, 200; 300, of the size, complexity of man and robotic engineering of space, moon and mars structures

>>14850987
According to the Space Force, the Russians and Chinese try "reversible" attacks on US satellites on a daily basis.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/11/30/space-race-china-david-thompson/

>>14851008
It's a pretty interesting challenge from a security point of view

If it's not in GEO or SSO they have an absolute maximum of 20 minutes to succeed and security only has to stall for twenty minutes to win

>>14850963
>>14850979
Holy shit, PLEASE shoot down a Starlink satellite with an ASAT missile. Please, please, please, please do it. I can not even imagine how much funding would get poured into space overnight. It'd be absolutely unreal. The normalfags couldn't even complain about it because they'll never go against the narrative. Pure, uncontested cashflow straight into an orbital arms race. Look at what war did for terrestrial flight, for the motorbike, for the automobile. Look at what war did for radar, communications, for physics research, for the first space race. I have dreams about this kind of thing.

>>14851012
unless of course you have an unlimited supply of identical devices coming over the horizon constantly.

>>14851013
No one is going to use a 1200 kg missile to shoot down a 300 kg satellite.

>>14850149
>static canceled again, when will the lord allow us to indulge in all 33 engines
I don't think the restraints could handle it, I don't get the science of how the force is enough to lift the tonnage of rocket mass quickly but not break restraint system, what is the restraint system

>weather 10%

>>14851020
We use 500 lb bombs to kill 200 lb people.

>>14850176
Are they going public or hosting their own crowd sourcing?

>>14851034
neither. it's a pool unaffiliated with spacex that will be invested the next time they're raising.

Is anyone on /sfg/ good enough to work at spacex some day and what are some paths to achieve that?.

>>14850523
Space tourism could be a +100 billion industry over the course of the next 20 years and possibly steadily more

https://twitter.com/planet4589/status/1570197995278471168
>Of the 51 Starlinks launched on Sep 5 with Group 4-20 and Sherpa LTC-2, six have so far failed to begin orbit raising.
>It's unusually high - typically at most one from a launch fails.
uh oh

>>14850987
Bruce Damer claimed on a Joe Rogan podcast that he had done something like that.

Live
https://youtu.be/JzWSYJBSAl4

live now
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JzWSYJBSAl4

The only notification I'll get loudly enough to wake me up is spacex, they need to stop launching every other day or I*ll have to mute them

>>14850721
Discovery
>After all, any shuttle with a tear in her eye has to be pretty special. She has feelings.
>I thought of Discovery’s teardrop that way, too. Was she afraid of launching? After all, her very first attempt was rather scary — the first ever shutdown on the pad after main engine start. I could see how an infant shuttle might get a bit teary-eyed thinking about her first step. Or, later on, was it there for her lost sisters, Challenger, and then Columbia? She was always the one chosen to bravely lead the way after their loss. Or maybe it’s just a tear of joy for the thrill of going into orbit, like when she did the first ever backflip in space?

>tice episode

>>14850534
>>14850539
What are the companies most near seriously real deal big time space mining, that's the nead of heavy payload rockets of mining machinery, storages for ore, methods of breaking,.chipping off chunks of asteroid, SpaceX doesn't seem to promote the existence of their creation of space machinery and asteroid mining technology, but they likely could and should throw some millions into developing asteroid mining abilities, and space and moon and mars habitable abilities

>clear not live
;_;

>>14851067
Near? Absolutely no one, it's never been done, there isn't even a proof of concept. We're only really on the cusp of even researching asteroids.

>>14851068
I won't watch the launch then

surely it is cheaper to wait for good weather vs wasting $$$ for fueling, un-fueling procedures when a scrub is likely. especially for a Starlink launch.

>the schizo posting rate is speeding up again
meltdown soon, we're approaching critical mass
>>14851072
>replying to him

>>14851064

>>14851075
Practice is never wasted, and SpaceX wanted to get some engineering data

>>14851075
In the long term destroying the weather is most advantageous.