/sci/ - Science & Math

GOD SAVE THE KING

Anyone find it interesting that SpaceX is full speed ahead building a second (and third!) Starship tower in Florida, but they've seemingly dropped plans for a second inBoca Chica? Nevermind that you'd expect them to test the arms a lot first so they can iterate on the next one.

>>14836908
what's that, anon?

>>14836913
They scaled down their plans to get FONSI.

>>14836913
Roberts Road Facility has full permitting for launching Starships and SuperHeavy boosters, and the Biden admin can't stop them; as it was granted prior to their ascension. Boca Chica is something the Biden admin can intervene on needlessly. SpaceX is one move ahead of politics in the chess game. If Biden admin tried to intervene in Florida, it would look like political retaliation, the same shit Trump did in the past; and the corruption/impropriety optics of that would be disastrous going into midterms or even 2024.

>>14836908
I hate all monarchs but if your new one forced the UK to restart efforts towards manned spaceflight that'd be pretty cool of him. He'll probably just die having done nothing a few years from now though, that'd suck.

>>14836913
Where are they going to put a second tower? I doubt they're going to double up at 39A and I haven't heard of any filings to set up somewhere else.

>>14836917
MUSTARD

>>14836932
The UK is signatory to the Artemis Accords, for whatever that's worth.

>>14836942
There is a chance that they're building it early for LC-49.
https://youtu.be/WjKtu_D5Ua8

This is a blood bath
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/09/10/space-sector-q2-results-mixed-performance-with-progress-and-delays.html

>>14836970
Jesus Christ

>>14836942
https://environmental.ksc.nasa.gov/EnvironmentalPlanning/starshipsuperheavy#
https://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2021/12/starship-lc-49-ksc/
They want to build two towers at LC-49. also I would imagine SLC-40 and 39B are other candidates. Once Falcons are retired, I'd expect the towers at SLC 40 and 39A be replaced with Starship towers

is finished

>>14836988
it will be years and years before falcon is retired. it will become a standby human rated rocket in case starship gets grounded

>>14836987
You should not use God's name in vain.

bizzare

>>14836988
40 is a possibility but I doubt NASA is going to want anyone crowding too close to SLS. Somewhere on the Cape side could be a possibility. It's going to get a bit more crowded in the near future but there's still a lot of empty lots.

>>14837001
they aren't even in production anymore

>>14837018
The fleet is working fine, why make more now? Probably should keep one or two in reserve, in case of a failure, but otherwise the rockets are seemingly reusable indefinitely.

Just attempted to give myself a haircut for the first time and fucked my shit up hard. Surprised astronauts don’t just rock buzz cuts for convenience. I know they cut eachother’s hair, this might be a dumb question but do they train for that on the ground at Johnson/Star City?

Are there any good betting pools for when (or even if) SLS will launch/explode/scrub permanently?

>>14836970
> astra
lmao, sneed even

what's gonna happen to this tomorrow?

>>14837096
I'd be down to be the sfg bookie and run a betting pool

>>14836932
When you say you hate all monarchs, are you also then implying that you actually like politicians, literally the most feckless, retarded dipshits on the planet?

>tfw they would never allow you to smell long march's beautiful scarlet red fumes close in person

>>14837147
one of the perks of being a Chinese rocket scientist

>>14837146
Certainly not. "Rulers" are to be mulched always, no matter the flavor they come in.

>>14837146
It is nice to have an illusion of meritocracy. Rule by bloodline goes against that.

>>14837006
Elon Musk

>>14837150
chinese rocket scientists must have it so easy without government bogmen trying to actively bog them down

>>14837147
Imagine

>>14836932
Totally off-topic, but unironic American monarchist reporting in.

>>14837182
How do people stand so close to these rockets without getting rumbled painfully?

>>14837183

>>14837183
I'll be a monarchist but only if I'm the monarch of the American empire.

>>14837193
>without getting rumbled
They absolutely do. It's just that China couldn't give less of a fuck about things like that. Everyone knows that there's a rocket launching. If someone wants to stand a quarter mile from the pad so they can get the best view it's their own fault if they get too much of a whiff.

https://twitter.com/coastal8049/status/1568660827095592967
>CAPSTONE appears to be garnering the DSN's attention over the last day or so. Continuous uplinks with no downlink like the anomaly observed after the spacecraft was released post TLI.
>She was scheduled for TCM-3 in early September based on statements after TCM-2.
uhh, capstonebros?

>>14837183
Who do you support to be monarch? I would like to propose myself.

>>14837205
Best I can do is duke of California.

>>14837221
I don't have a guy picked out or anything. I just support monarchy as a type of national-level government over republicanism.

>>14837221
Devastator is the most powerful robot, WE should rule!

>>14837218
the price of diversity

>>14837225
Then you're not an American monarchist you're just an American who likes the idea of monarchism

>>14837262
I'm an American and a monarchist at the same time. I can be two things.

>>14837279
You can be both but if you don't support a monarch to be ruler of America then you're not really an American monarchist. The lack of any historical basis or viable ruler is why American monarchism is completely DOA.

>>14837156
Based. I take this buepill daily

>>14837218
your doomposting didn't work last time

>>14837218
I hope they fix this again. Artemis can't proceed without this

>>14836814
sauce

>>14837363
stockton arsonist

space junk

https://twitter.com/RGVaerialphotos/status/1568670436149321729
Starship program slowly turning into Shuttle program. I've already seen this before and it doesn't end well

>>14835487
I'd suggest rats, particularly dwarf rats. They're very intelligent, and the spontaneous dwarf mutation increases lifespan and reduces cancer incidence. We could breed or genetically engineer them for increased lifespan and intelligence, as well as additional traits to make them more adapted to life in space.

>>14837388
from dragon? probably just pre deorbit right?

>>14837293
What about grand grand kids of washington

>>14837414
It was taken by an astronaut some time after staging.

>>14837418
yeah. they deorbit themselves for leo missions.

>>14837388
damn i would love to see it ignite from that perspective.

>>14837415
Step great-…-grandkids. For me it's Robert E. Lee V

>>14837221
>>14837225
>>14837262
>>14837279
>>14837293
>>14837415
>>14837431
irrelevant off topic posts.
>>>/his/

>>14837401
>rats escape and chew through a wire killing everyone

I found the diy rocket engine autists' youtube channel https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC_yDyIZeM1EEAGrhhPElC7A

>>14837459
thanks

Does anyone have the frogsat drawing?

>>14837354
not my womanerinos!
not my heckin' violent crime enthusiasts!

>>14837401
>>14835487
What's there to discuss? They've already decided to bring women and large non-human primates.

>>14837472
>large non-human primates
Ramabros?

>>14837452
roblox character thumbnail

bussdown negro

.

>>14837354
Wait, why can't Artemis proceed without the Capstone satellite?

>The last Russian dogs to fly in space were Veterok (Breese) and Ugolyok (Little Piece of Coal). They were passengers on the bio-satellite, Cosmos 110, which was launched on February 22, 1966.
>Last time a dog went to orbit was more than 56 years ago
Absolutely embarrassing

>>14837511
because gravity wells are hard

>>14837511
it's not safe to orbit in that way without testing it first

>>14837459
> that random guitar cover
it was good anyway

>>14837517
>>14837518
That doesn't make any sense. SLS/Orion's success should have no bearing on this one satellite. Wtf.

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>>14837527
so wholesome, do you have a patreon?

>>14837542
No official NSF patreon BUT you can support me (Michael Baylor) here- https://www.patreon.com/nextspaceflight

>>14837415
>>14837431
Wouldn't an American monarchy be an electoral one? Like the HRE but more (or less?) functional, to grab the most obvious example. Or I suppose, if you wanted something more *centralized* than that, skip straight on back to Rome itself - we already have a Senate, after all.

I am against this.

>>14837218
>Immediately guesses it's rotating
Last time it was stable and pointing right at Earth the whole time after they lost contact due to the command glitch, why would it change now?

>>14837431
This would make a cool alternate history. King Washington presiding over the space program

If they can't put a cubesat in the lunar orbit how will they be able to put gateway there?

>>14837526
>That doesn't make any sense
That's because they're wrong. While CAPSTONE will (ideally) be the first spacecraft to insert itself into NRHO, it's not really meant to test the orbit itself (though a lot of sources are wrongly citing that as the primary driving factor of the mission). There's basically no uncertainty about the orbital characteristics themselves.

The main mission objective is testing the CAPS system by returning positioning data relative to LRO autonomously. The hope is that someday, the system, when expanded, can allow for spacecraft to do navigation and relay communication without relying on Earth-based ground stations, saving mass on large antennas and power supplies on smallsats.

>>14837581
Ahh. That's neat. I hope it succeeds then. Auto-navigation in space would be very cool.

>>14837570
Have some faith.

>>14837602
timchad

>>14837602
I wonder if he fookin dat girl ;)

>>14836389
Free market, very small government, smarter consumers, better ethics lessons.
All systems and political isms suffer this problem. How can this be fixed for NASA first the general populace has to admit there is a problem. One boon of the internet is we can directly shit post to the companies, politicians, and agencies responsible. I try to remind AeroJet RocketDyne of their corruption on every twitter post.

>>14837675
If we spent as much as we do here shitposting to each other chopping at Senator Administrator Bill Nelson perhaps we could get something done.

>>14837679
Angry astronaut did it to his face. You dont hear much from him anymore do you

Capstone in safe mode
https://advancedspace.com/capstone-10sep22-update/

>>14837787
Buggy piece of crap, who programmed it?

>>14837602
Why does he dress like a teenager.

>>14837796
minorities and poojeets

>>14837796
Advanced Space, inc, of Boulder Colorado. Here's their crew:

https://advancedspace.com/advanced-space-team/

>>14837805
He is a paragon of the new man, a biological adult who has maintained his sense of childlike immaturity well into his late 30s. He displays this through his amazing ability to perform a Fortnite dance in a surplus Russian spacesuit without the slightest trace of embarrassment.

Wait so can someone fill me in on why hypersonic missiles are important? Don’t ICBMs do the same thing?

>>14837834
low and maneuverable. Conventional ICBMs have a trajectory you can calculate and intercept. Hypersonics can come screaming under the radar and get a precision strike on pretty much any target, in theory. Is it a meme? Idk

https://twitter.com/PoisonOrRemedy/status/1568672689208070145
>Came to Boca Chica to check out the damage to the land. The fire burned from the launch pad all the way to the administrative side of SpaceheX. It's incredibly depressing that this is being dismissed. That's a huge and critically endangered area. #ProtectTheSacred #BocaChica
Look what SpaceX has done and you are all laughing.

>>14837834
Ballistic missiles follow high, arcing ballistic trajectories. They're fairly easy to detect and don't have much in the way of maneuvering capability. Hypersonics are the equivalent of very fast cruise missiles. They keep much closer to the ground which makes them harder to see from further away and they have the ability to maneuver at every phase of their flight which makes them harder to hit.

>>14837840
The FONSI said fires made by starship aren’t a big deal lol

>>14837840
So much life destroyed, and for what? The insane pursuits of a single megalomaniac? We need to put SpaceX in its place.

>>14837853
guess what, concern trolling incel
you're never going to space :)

>>14837855
Neither are you.

>>14837840
Cactus is fine

>still no sls rocketgirl leaking (peeing herself)
spaceflight is dead

>>14837840
>"Battle Angel Fajita"
>refers to SpaceX as 'neo-colonialism'
>pronouns in the bio
>"the land deserves so much more than we are giving it"
>Activism/politics/BTS
>BTS

I've changed my mind. Working to divert Earth-impacting asteroids was a mistake. Asteroid impacts are a part of the natural biosphere of the planet and preventing them does more harm to an ecosystem than allowing them to occur. As we've spent many decades preventing impact events we may need to undertake a program of controlled asteroid strikes to restore the proper ecological balance.

I would like to see Atlas-Able as a rocket girl.

>>14837857
even if space was real (which it isn't) it's like being on a submarine except you float
it's boring as fuck and not glamorous at all like in science fiction media (which will never be real, even if space was real)

>>14837871
>Working to divert Earth-impacting asteroids was fiction
fixed that for you retard
do you think we "landed" on a comet too?

>>14837874
I would like to see earth from space one day. I just have to save enough cash for a New Shepard hop

>>14837873
maybe

>>14837871
>we've spent many decades preventing impact events
We haven't done shit, though?

>>14837840
>>14837871
kek they are not prepared for the booster static fire.
abo niggers gonna have a heart attack.

>>14837840
> What's crazier is that CBP questioned why we went out there and when I said to check the land he was like "Why? Is that your job?" And I said "No, can't I just care about the land?" I got kinda aggro...
>I got kinda aggro

>>14837466
Here you go Anon

>>14837873
inevitably a futanari

>>14837931
I hate the fact that I know that word.

>>14837934
We pray for the day that Japan sinks back into the ocean

most complicated f9 mission in .5 bong https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2lxdOPyR3Q

>>14837943
T-minus 30 mins

>>14837943
my belly is so full. im a glutton i could never go to space

>>14837817
he can do it in boeing suits too

>>14837946
whoops didnt delete name hehe
>>14837817
>>14837947
>He is a paragon of the new man, a biological adult who has maintained his sense of childlike immaturity well into his late 30s. He displays this through his amazing ability to perform a Fortnite dance in a surplus Russian spacesuit without the slightest trace of embarrassment.
kek seems based to me

>>14837937
We could fix Japan and California in one go if we just stopped preventing natural occurring asteroid impacts. This is what comes from short sighted environmental policies.

>>14837947
Thanks, it's just as horrible as the last time I saw it

>>14837840
It's funny, and I'm tired of pretending it's not

>>14837840
>SpaceheX
what did the mean by this

>>14837871
She's fucking hot, any swimsuit pics?

What are the kiwis up to? They seem kinda quiet.

>>14837928
THANK U ANON
CUTE FROGE

>>14837871
captcha: D0NTS

>>14837943
what makes this the "most complicated"? fucking hate it when elon says shit and doesnt elaborate whatsoever.

>>14837966
like 5 2nd stage burns

>>14837960
They've got a launch coming up on Wednesday. No word on if they're going to try for a catch, so they're probably not.

>>14837955
Why would she bother posting pictures of herself when she can fill her timeline with pictures of plastic as fuck Korean prettybois?

SpaceX launch delayed 10 minutes

It's over

>>14837960
they are surviving
>>14837968
>Why would she bother posting pictures of herself when she can fill her timeline with pictures of plastic as fuck Korean prettybois?
I actually saw pictures of her and rescind my request for swimsuit pics. I'm gonna go throw up now. Not hot.

>>14837943
immensely complex and high risk

Space-heX neocolonialist, meet your new worst enemy

>>14837977
bro the bts pictures over the bed hahaha.
his person is unhinged.

>>14837979
she has a BTS tattoo too lmao

>>14837840
I made the mistake of going into the replies.

>>14837977
Her name is Michelle Medina Del Carriso

>>14837982
>she

>>14837983
The urge to buy a cessna and drop makeshift firebombs on the boca chica grasslands until they're barren is growing stronger by the day

Orange fire bad

>>14837988
The beetlecaust didn't happen but I wish it did

>>14837977
>that filename

LIVE
https://youtu.be/a2lxdOPyR3Q

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2lxdOPyR3Q

Music live now

live
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2lxdOPyR3Q

is it live?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IY9HSW8qzg
commentary but its not cringe

>dabbing on artemis
wew

Cool shot with SLS in the background honestly.

the starship tower is so fucking big

It's the DM-2 NASA worm booster btw

MaxQute

>>14838022
14th flight on this booster

Great. I wonder if we'll see 20th reflight this year or next year

They stopped explaining maxQ and instead put a comment down in the corner? How many years did it take? It got so engrained in my mind

>>14838020
did they design the to look like the old WTC on purpose?

>that will help... slow the vehicle down
what

I don't care if this is launch number fifty gorillion, I just think Falcon 9 is cool. I love watching these launches, and I love watching it land. It could launch every day and I'd still watch it. Hopefully Starship ends up hitting the same cadence.

>>14838031
It's all so comfy at this point

>>14838025
THE PERIOD OF MAXIMUM DYNAMIC PRESSURE ON THE VEHICLE

launchcat must be on vacation

>>14837129
It's going to reach orbit.

>>14837129

>>14837129
Not put a flag on the pad

Elon can't keep getting away with it

XXXXXXXXXXXXXX

that suicide burn was flawless, i don't even think the rocket bounced at all, it just stopped moving exactly as it touched the earth

it's over

>>14838047
Based ship name

>>14838053
>Some centimeters off-center
Yeah, Starship is not gonna work.

>>14838024
We probably won't If they spread the remaining launches evenly across the fleet, but SpaceX has pushed its launch leaders in the past.

>>14837218
>random twitter with Ukraine flag
>you are blocked despite never having spoken with them

many such cases

>>14837129
I hope everything goes well tomorrow, i like how their rockets look, too bad the founder was jewed but i guess he was prepared to be sacrified.

SpaceX Falcon 9 booster 1058 first flew in May of 2020. Today marks her 14th flight during her 2 years of service. She has thus launched once every 60 days. Great work 1058. Keep ‘em coming

>May 2020 to September 2022: 28 months X 30 days per month = 860 days
>860 days / 14 flights = 1 flight a month

1058 has flown once every other month for 2 years.

>>14838064
>her

>>14838065
All vehicles are female

>>14838065
All vehicles are female

>>14838067
Have you guys ever heard Nic Assuini talk on the stream?
I thought Chris and the Mexican were soi overload but that guy just takes it to another level.

>>14837834
>Wait so can someone fill me in on why hypersonic missiles are important? Don’t ICBMs do the same thing?

Both are hard to intercept for different reasons and mid course defenses against one will not work against the other. Because hypersonics fly low compared to ballistic missiles it also means you cannot detect them as soon with ground based sensors.

>All vehicles are female
YWNFAR

>>14838074
I don’t plan on it sicko, I’m simply following tradition

>spacex tweeted about the successful landing a few minutes before the rocket even launched
Fraud confirmed.

>>14837983
>awwww sweetie-
Against the wall now, swine

>>14838055
How much would it cost Elon to paint a Starship green with a red stripe along the middle?

>>14838079
a few thousand dollars, but why increase boil off

Pause this video at start and mute: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gLbV07eVls
Fast forward to 18 seconds in: https://youtu.be/S07hj7XpD-4?t=18
Enjoy
Song syncs up with launch, stage separation and landing perfectly

>>14838076
wat

>>14838080
Style.

>>14838085
anon forgot to take his meds

>>14838076
>we will put in place a vast conspiracy wirth billions of dollars, but have a single point of failure with an intern woh can shatter the illusion at any time
>we are both highly devious and far-seeing and deeply stupid

>>14838087
Starship needs metallic tiles. If it still has the mass budget left over after that then yeah paint it and add an extra fuel recondenser

>>14838091
Demoralization tactic to inform the thinking part of the goyim that it is not in control.
Alex Jones talks about the globalists stating all their plans publically. Same thing, same satanic ritual.

>>14838085
>>14838091
You're supposed to enjoy my jokes. Have fun NOW.

I lost

>>14836908
For King and Country!

>>14838108
It wasn't funny.

Liebniz windmill

Manifold science

Why so many stage 2 burns?

>>14838127
There's a rideshare onboard and it probably needs to go into a significantly different orbit from the one the starlinks need to end up in.

>>14838127
https://twitter.com/planet4589/status/1568788789589581824
>After deploying BlueWalker 3 in a 513 km orbit, Falcon 9 has lowered orbital perigee to about 330 km. It will coast down from apogee and when it reaches perigee make another burn to circularize at 330 km before deploying 34 Starlinks

>>14838076
It's just that easy in rocketry.

>>14838145
Starlink is putting all the small launch providers out of business by being able to do this. Firefly will be quietly absorbed by Northrop-Grumman and Rocketlab will go medium lift with Neutron, but everyone else is hosed.

>>14838153
ABLbros... Stokebros...

>>14838153
>shotwell_zero_smallsat_launcher_statement.tweet

https://www.fcc.gov/ecfs/filing/status/detail/confirmation/20220909251827409

ruh roh

>>14838174
>The Wireline Competition Bureau’s decision to exclude Starlink from the Rural Digital Opportunity Fund (“RDOF”) is flawed as a matter of both law and policy. It fails legally because it contradicts the record—including SpaceX’s and Starlink’s proven capabilities—it contradicts the Commission’s stated rules for the program, and it rests on unsupported conjecture and outside-the-record information apparently cherry-picked from somewhere on the Internet.

SpaceX isn't pulling any punches

>>14838179
They also state that the Bureau violated the 5th Amendment's Due Process clause. Shit's about to get real.

>>14838070
link?

>>14838179
Damn, didnt realize the decision was this retarded

>>14838153
I don't think it's quite that grim. In general, Europe might want to encourage the small LSPs as a means of putting some vigor back into a very stagnant industry. Orbex and/or Skyrora could get some support from the British government seeing as they're a bit pissed over missing their chance to be a part of a second-tier player with Arianespace and getting domestic capability back would be something for London to crow about. I could also see Berlin helping Rocket Factory Augsburg or Isar a bit if they hit a rough patch. The RFA-1 is set to be a direct competitor for Vega and Spectrum isn't that much smaller, and you just know the Germans would love to screw the French at something that's supposed to be France's game.

The American companies that don't have a side hustle are going to have a harder time. Rocketlab is only doing as well as they are because they've made such big inroads into being a satellite component supplier. Relativity should do well since their printers are absurd. Stoke's full reuseability is the right strategy but they're starting late and have a big hill to climb. Success might just leave them in a place to be an attractive purchase.

>all the retard astra investors crying and shidding pants
>me happy to buy the IP for pennies
my son is getting one hell of a model rocket set for christmas

>>14838211
So the question is which big company is going to buy out Astra for its IP.

>>14838211
Wow Astra stock is at $0.79. I didn’t know it could go under a dollar

>>14838211
And now I'm thinking about hobbyist orbital spaceflight.

It'd actually be pretty wild to put together an orbital capable rocket that you sell as a kit. Have it use a pressure fed ethyl alcohol / nitrous engine and put a 2U cubesat into a minimal orbit. You get mailed the parts, you build the rocket and the launch pad, and fill all your own paperwork. ITAR and the FAA would hate you, but it'd still be cool.

>>14838221
BO or RocketLab

>>14837129
It will completely dab on asstra

>>14838221
None? What IP does Astra have that's worth buying? Their engines are so trash they decided to buy replacements from someone else, and the only thing exceptional about their company is the lack of quality control.

>>14837129
it will kill small launch stocks once and for all

>>14837129
a second rocket

>>14837129
you know what

so why is nasa dead silent about discovering fossils on mars?

>>14838243
Astra makes more than its (shitty) rocket.

>>14838179
so, who's getting fucked if SpaceseX wins?

>>14838260
The one good thing Astra has done is start on a mass production facility for the Apollo Fusion engines but to my knowledge that's not finished yet, so it probably never will be.

>>14838222
If it stays under $1 for 30 consecutive trading days it gets delisted.

>>14838174
>>14838179
Remember: It wasn't political, guys.

>>14838269
everyone knew it, the ones posting otherwise were people that liked SLS for some reason and they did not want to admit it.

>>14838260
So the only non-shitty thing Astra makes is something they bought from someone else.

>>14838278
>What IP does Astra have that's worth buying?

>>14838278
That’s how many companies work, yes

>>14838272
they're called redditors

>>14838269
>>14838272
>>14838283

Is Falcon 9 Block 5 the most reliable rocket ever? 119 launches and 119 successful missions in a row.

>>14838291
Yeah even without the rose tinted spacex glasses it’s up there as probably one of the best rockets ever made due to many different factors, reliability being one of the big ones

>>14838291
Yes, especially considering the inherent payload limitations and extra complexity of landing and reuse, what it's been able to accomplish is monumentally significant.
It's basically the Model T of reusable spacecraft, the earlier shuttle was technically functional but commercially irrelevant and failed to meet it's specified goal of reducing launch costs compared to Apollo, so I'd call it more of a very famous but still fundamentally failed prototype for reusable roggets.

>>14838291
Not only is it the most reliable, its also the only rocket of its class to literally 2.25x its TWR to LEO. Which is practically unheard off in the history of roggetry. The point where SpaceX started with M1-C to where they are at with M1-E (effective) is insane. And what's crazy even still is that they still are erring heavily on the side of caution with onboard fuel. The Bluewater-3 satellite + 34 Starlink 1.5s, puts it at 17T to LEO and there's still excess fuel at landing. The next flight is aiming to push for 54 Starlink 1.5s to LEO at also 17T. That might be peak payload to LEO at reusable, which is a solid 4T above the initial estimates at 13T to LEO reusable. Which is 68% the mass of the Orion capsule. Thus, it then makes sense that a FH could launch Orion + ICPS to LEO with an extended fairing independent of SLS if opportunity is offered.

>>14838309
I realized after I posted this that the mass/thrust performance of M1-E + FH configuration means that SpaceX can basically launch Orion + ICPS annually (if Boeing/LockMart could mass produce them) to orbit for giggles on the dollar over SLS, negating the entire purpose of that rocket from existence outside of political corruption and grift.

>>14838309
I think the FH+Orion argument has always been over vibrations, not whether or not it’s capable. Falcon Heavy pulls something like 11 G’s at certain points during its ascent and that’s in a reusable configuration where they’re trying to go easier on the rocket. I think there might be a way to throttle the engines down and lighten the trip up at the cost of fuel efficiency but idk if this has ever been confirmed

https://www.reddit.com/r/news/comments/xb3byj/spacex_fire_burns_68_acres_of_protected_refuge/
>The Texas Parks & Wildlife Department is reporting that Thursday’s grass fire at the SpaceX Boca Chica launch site burned 68 acres of brush at a protected refuge.
>The grass fire lasted about five hours as part of a static fire test of Starship 24.
>A wildlife biologist with the Coastal Best Bays and Estuaries Program was at the refuge and said she found several dead crabs and destroyed vegetation as a result of the fire.
>“It is a concern and I do think SpaceX has some mitigation in regard to this to make sure that this isn't a regularly occurring thing because small fires out there can very quickly turn into large fires," wildlife biologist Stephanie Bilodeau said.
>Channel 5 News learned that six of starship’s 24 engines were lit up for the test.
This is so fucked, it's just insane. And Elon will probably get away with it too thanks to the Abbott regime. FUCK THIS FUCK THIS FUCK THIS

>>14838317
No way she found destroyed vegetation????

>>14838317
The march of progress is always paid in blood.

>>14838316
Kinda dumb that orion/icps is vibration regime capped.

>>14838317
>several dead crabs
several? ok im done defending musk after this

>>14838317
Remove grass, remove crab
no muss no fuss

>>14838317
Apparently, since the fire they’ve been unable to locate any ocelots in the area. Fucking insane that people defend this.

>>14838334
Someone should do something about it

>>14838316
>>14838311
The issue is that ICPS + Orion doesn’t give enough push to get the latter to the moon from LEO. SLS basically puts them on an elliptical orbit with an apogee halfway to geostationary transfer orbit, but with a perigee in the atmosphere

>>14838311
This is a sad fact I've been chewing on for a while now. SLS only has one job left but because it's poor overall design it's a job that can actually be done by rockets that are significantly smaller and cheaper that it is.

>>14838316
If we ever launch Orion/ICPS on a Falcon it's not going to be the exact version we've got now. Putting crew on it would require rating it for crew and that'd a ideal chance to optimize the rocket for the new mission and apparently the FH has a lot of room for that.

>>14838336
ICPS is so fucking dumb. Was it REALLY that hard to go straight for EUS?

>>14838336
Either launch a tug stage separately on another F9 or FH (who cares about the cost of this, it’s pennies on the dollar compared to using SLS) or dock Orion to the HLS Starship that’s already headed to Gateway anyways

>launch depot
>fill depot
>launch hls
>launch dragon on f9 to leo
>dock with hls in leo
>hls go to moon
>hls back to leo
>dock hls to dragon
>go home

>>14838338
Given the EUS is almost as far behind schedule as the damn tower upgrades, yes.

>>14838317
>not the heckin crabberino noo
If humanity is denied its birthright of the stars because of some fucking crabs then no punishment will be too severe for all of the envirofags
Environmentalists should be permanently denied any ability to leave urf's tyrannical gravity well, a quarantine of this pestilence is necessary; anyone not in favor of completely terraforming and strip mining every celestial body must never be allowed to leave the one they were born on.

>>14838338
No it wasn’t lol. Funny enough, the DIRECT proposal knew making a shuttle derived upper stage would be hard so they proposed contracting ULA to build a fat centaur. ULA ended up doing that on their own anyways for Vulcan.

>>14838339
It doesn’t matter anymore with starship but a stretched ICPS on an expendable Falcon Heavy rendezvousing with Dragon launched on a reusable Falcon heavy could work.
For that matter, it probably would be easiest to lunar-rate Dragon 2, seeing as it went from nothing to something in 6 years, it can’t be that hard right?

>>14838340
Can HLS even make it back to LEO

>>14838291
Yes it surpassed Delta II's record of consecutive successful launches.

>>14838345
depends how much fuel you refill and how much mass you bring to moon and how much you wanna bring home

we are going...arent we? i dont know...

>>14838345
HLS can't do LEO->Lunar surface->LEO without refueling or some absolutely insane mass autism and oversized tankage. It can obviously do LEO->NRHO->Lunafirma->NRHO on one full tank, but that's probably all.

Although, how difficult would it be for 2 FH launches to get a Dragon(2?)+transfer stage rendezvous in LEO that could put Dragon(2?) in NRHO and then return it to LEO i.e. exactly what Orion does but for like 5% of the cost?

>>14838316
>I think the FH+Orion argument has always been over vibrations

Anon you do realize one of the primary reasons Europa Clipper is launching on a FH instead of SLS is the latter's vibrations caused by its massive SRB

>>14838336
ICPS on a FH would require a new launch tower in order to be able to fuel it, this is the same reason SLS will not be able to stack an ICPS on top of an EUS.

>>14838356
even with a hefty kick stage that’s a lot of delta v to get something from leo to NRHO and then back to leo, plus as you implied dragon would need some serious modifications to survive the trip and subsequent stay out in lunar orbit for a month—not to mention a hefty heat shield for reentry which would be pretty high energy

>>14838358
I said vibrations but I meant G-force

>>14838358
>Anon you do realize one of the primary reasons Europa Clipper is launching on a FH instead of SLS is the latter's vibrations caused by its massive SRB.
That's the official story. In reality, none of those scientists wanted to rely an SLS being available to launch (there would be none),let alone launch on time (it would scrub). can SLS afford to recycle next month when your europa launch window is finite? try again in 4 years :)

>>14838365
As awful as it is SLS would have enabled a direct trajectory to Jupiter and the windows for that come around every 13 months or so. Direct trajectories to the outer planets are simple like that since they're effectively stationary in their orbits compared to Earth.

>>14838358
Finally, a three stage SLS. Now all we need is a new tower to hook it up to.

Divining from stable diffusion who will be the first woman of color to walk on the moon

>>14838380
I hope whoever they pick is at least cute

>>14838383
It'll be a white man with an "I identify as a black woman" card in his HR file.

>>14838386
is the government going to impose diversity quotas on spacex colonies, or will it be self-imposed by musk's eventual successor?

Good midday /sfg/

>>14838390
Neither. Diversities are a scavenger species that only move in when the hard work is over.

>>14838391
Good day anon, it's full moon down here, must be lovely and bright for you

>>14838317
Based

>>14838264
No one. They'll be promoted for fighting the class war

>>14837072
Probably. I remember Scott Kelly talking about it learning ladies hairdressing in his book.

>>14838342
Do you believe there's a connection between crab mentality and carcinization?
because that would explain a lot, I think

>>14838422
>carcinization
learned a new word today thanks

prompt: Space Shuttle launching in the background. Lush mangrove trees in water in the foreground. Starry night.

foodnight. zzzzz

lol, Bezos is a fellow tankwatcher

>>14838317
>leddit nigger
Your mother will get raped by pack of niggers if you don't apologize

>>14838496
Calm down, everybody uses reddit these days.

>>14838391
funny how the moon is shining bright in the night sky but it's dull grey in apollo pictures

>>14838499
Your mother will die in her sleep. Die leddit niggers.

>>14838506
>>14838496
science is reddit
ESPECIALLY anything space related

>>14838506
I never got this insult. Sounds like something someone in kindergarten would think of. Must be missing something.

>>14838489
>follows the starbase doomer
of course

>>14838526
How is that nigga a doomer?

>>14838511
Only good leddit niggers are dead leddit niggers and their dead mothers raped by pack of niggers

>>14838511
You and your mother will go to hell.

Leddit niggers have a special place in hell for it.

>>14838529
Most of the stuff he posts is about damage or errors spacex makes. The first time I saw posts from him it was about how spacex violated storage tank/pipe regulations and had to redo some work.

>>14838535
True, but he does do other things, its just that he's particularly vocal about doomposting. Its a primitive trapping of human condition. We're predisposed to negative things and pay attention to negative things more than positive ones. For evolutionary/survival reasons.

>>14837840
based

>>14838535
You're exaggerating. He focuses on the so-called stage zero and reports everything, including mistakes. The problem with the methane tank is very old. Meanwhile, his last posts mention:
>preparations for possible stack
>process of Raptor engine chill
>dynamic fire
>water deluge for OLM
>his upcoming videos
>construction of Raptor test site at Massey's gun range

>>14838549
Don't come crying to me when jeff sends sam hyde to disrupt another ship

>>14838390
No anon, I'm sure the government will be totally happy to let the best qualified (see; White+East Asian) people make up the first several million people on Mars LOL. They definitely won't force them to take equal amounts of niggers, spics and whatever other shit they can make up in equal portions or they deny launch licences.

>>14837977
the profile pic is kind of misleading don't you think
if I just saw the face of this pic I would say there is a possibility its a tranny

stop it

CAPSTONE update
https://advancedspace.com/news/
>The CAPSTONE spacecraft was executing a planned trajectory correction maneuver Thursday evening, September 8th. We have since obtained telemetry that confirms the vehicle suffered an anomaly near the end of the planned maneuver and is currently in safe mode.

>>14838583
>Anomaly
>Safe mode

Yep, it's over

>>14838562
QRD?

>>14838549
Holy fuck that place is gonna go from shooting gunfire over the Rio Grande into Mexico to Rocket fire lmao

>>14838640
Youtube has a lot of SpaceX impersonators and they tend to have bots inflating their viewer counts

>>14838552
>the first several million people on Mars
kekmao, less than 1000 people have ever been to space
you're fucking delusional, incel

>>14838641
And here's a more recent photo. A few days ago they shipped N2 tanks there.

Ingenuity is still alive, guys
https://youtu.be/V-xW_b9RuOc

>>14838317
>several dead crabs
snib those snabs
also CRAB BAKE

>>14838489
Based. I want him to be great. Build some fucking spin habs and then ELONGATE to O'Neill Cylinder.

Just started watching The silent sea
is that a fucking shuttle on the moon? lol lmao

>>14838818

SLS attempts to claim it's first victim before it even launches. Very disrespectful
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/2gHy2pJzBwA

>>14838838
>experiences stroke symptoms on air
not watching that

so starship is really going to orbit before sls?

>>14838912
No

>>14838913
why

>>14838915
It's not ready.

>>14838221
Airbus bought some of Astra's ion thrusters lately. Could be them.

>>14838917
neither is sls?

>>14837871
>>14837840
I hope no one mentions how the Great Plains were made

>leave it for a few minutes
not feeling so good fireflybros
also tying in 9/11 with your launch is tacky as fuck

>>14837992
People say Elon did nothing wrong, but he failed to genocide the beetles

>>14838931
There's an important difference between "never forget" and "mention it every time".

>>14838938
Mentioning it every time every year is appropriate and valid.

Anything new / relevant happening with SpaceX at the moment ?
When will full starship launch attempt happen ? This year ?

>>14838950
FAA is filling out the paperwork right now to shut them down after the fire killed all the beetles

>>14838950
Static fire campaign is progressing nicely. Ship might roll back or be stacked as it's now done.
Next booster firing might be 5+ engines.
There is no way to know when launch.

>>14838950
Next year

>>14838317
Reading the comments are hilarious. They are so fucking mad and treating this like someone set the Louvre on fire.

>>14838511
It’s derived from a common Chinese insult, 你妈死了, your mom is dead
See also 我肏你妈的屄, I fuck (肏, to enter [入] meat [肉]) your mother’s cunt (屄, a hole [穴] in a corpse [尸]).

>>14838931
I forgot

>>14838985
About what?

>>14838317
>>14838974
Indeed. Anything Musk related seems to trigger something in these people's mind, like they can't reason at all and just start malding about how stupid and evil he is, at the end not actually caring about the fire at, just like it wasn't about climate change at all when they started hating on Tesla and EVs lmao.

So with Ship 24 tested it’s pretty much up to Booster 7 now? I wonder what the firing schedule leading up to a 33 engine static fire will be.

MUSK LIED
OCELOTS FRIED

>>14839007
Most of the judgments anyone makes will be intuitive or the result of their feelings without any explicit reasoning, justification or evaluation. (Otherwise first order judgments would have explicit judgments about them and those second order judgments would have judgments about them, and so on).

It shouldn’t be surprising and it’s not exclusive to idiots.

>>14839016
How many 2 more weeks after succesful static fire test?

WE

>>14837698
>Angry astronaut did it to his face.
qrd

>>14839055
That's then entirely dependent on loicense from the FAA. We dont know

>>14839055
Lol no clue man. Word on L2 (not worth it btw) is that the hope is Booster 7 does 6+ engine firings ASAP. And updates to the OLM mean Superheavy can do a 33 engine firing without Starship on top which makes it a bit safer

>>14837840
lush rainforest reduced to desolate wasteland

>>14839063
Launch license needs data from a 33 engine firing and full scale WDR first. So expect it T+30 days after a 33 engine test

>>14838958
Rip SpaceX

>>14839056
GAAN

Euclidbros... now that Soyuz is out of the question how will we get into space?

>>14839088

>>14838974
like someone set the Notre Dam on fire

>>14839088
Shenzhou

>>14838562
This channel has been doing this for days. Why can't youtube fix it?

>>14838931
SpaceX tied their static with the Queen's death

>>14839111
Someone did

>>14839121
what, where?

>>14837840
You're laughing.
The beetles have gone extinct, and you're laughing

>>14839134
Kween Liz m8, she copped it now we got King Charlie innit ey. God shave the king

>>14839107
but... the vibrations... I think we should launch on Ariane 6 once she is ready

>>14839141
Maybe tha good king’ll go an’ grant us the launch loicense

>>14839146
Seriously I hope he goes to view a smallsat launch at Scotland when they start doing it from next year, it would really help swing public perception over here from something 'useless' to something we should do more of

>another starlink launch on tuesday
he can't keep getting away with it

>>14839153
If they do try for a hundred launches next year he's going to be getting away with in about twice a week.

>>14839153
They have to keep launching them every week.

Morning, /sfg/.

>>14839187
meds

> Visionary wants humans to colonize space
> Earthers send glowniggers to kill him

>>14839187
schizo

>>14839212
Already took 'em, thanks very much!

>>14839187
Good morning, sirs!

>>14838821

When they static fire 3 then 4 then 5, 6, 7, 8, 9...20, 21, 22.etc
engines, how many times can an engine be used, reusable engines are checked and worked on after every flight, and static fired before the next?

Or all booster 7 engines will be static fired, if they can do that without any problems, they will be allowed to fly right after that?!

>>14839268
Maybe

>>14839268
kys

>>14839268
How many times can an airliner rev up its engines?

>>14839268
these aren't Shittle engines

>>14839277
You should try being nicer.

>>14839279
Yeah but they see if there's anything wrong with these engines because this is a new thing that has never flown, and apparently in tests something about an engine has been imperfect, so they will do static fires until all engines fire and show no imperfections, and then it will be allowed to try to launch and land? Or launch starship?

>>14839286
True, those at least don't eat themselves.

Based Jeff

>>14839297
Pro-oldspace propaganda

>>14839253
DITHERED

I named my car Endeavour, after the crew dragon.

>>14839297
I hate JPL so much its hard to put into words

>>14839299
>>14839318
The SpaceX simp hates companies that can actually land on mars (or even mars orbit LMAO)

>>14839324
JPL and friends landed there only because of government-funded missions.

>>14839318
Never forget
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26274117
>JPL was not impressed. Play with your little toy satellites all you want, but don't fuck around with the golden goose. 2014 Red Dragon sample return proposal was a direct threat to the entire Mars planetary exploration program and semi-autonomous JPL's bottom line. They hit back hard trying to discredit the proposal with a bunch of underhanded arguments and agency politics.

>>14839348
nice conspiracy theory

>>14839324
>sure, we can do a mars sample return mission! we've been planning one (repeatedly) since 1993, after all
>we'll just send a rover to scout out the area so we know where we want to get the best samples
>and we'll need another rover to actually collect the samples
>and another rover to get the samples from the first rover and get them over to the launcher. maybe we'll need a few helicopters too! it's a big job!
>and we're going to need a launch vehicle to get the samples off the surface and up into orbit.
>but not back to earth. mars-to-earth is another step entirely. we can farm that out to the europeans so they feel included

>by the way, each of these steps is going to take 5-10 years to develop and cost at least a billion dollars
>no, this isn't just another jobs program. why would you ask that?

>NO YOU CANNOT DO RED DRAGON YOU CAN'T DO A SAMPLE RETURN MISSION IN A SINGLE LAUNCH YOU JUST CAN'T DON'T TALK ABOUT IT OR I'LL TELL CONGRESS YOU'RE BEING MEAN!

This is why China is going to get its samples back first

>>14839297
>90 minutes of nothing but platitudes about how "Opportunity was so inspiring and wonderful and pushed engineering and science to unbelievable heights!"
Yeah, no thanks. No interest in watching yet another documentary reveling in and celebrating what little progress has been made. We should have had Spirit and Opportunity class rovers on Mars by the 70s

>>14839348
>Rumor is that certain key senators and congress critters that are recipients of large amounts of aerospace lobbying dollars phoned up Elon and NASA Administration and stated in no uncertain terms that if Red Dragon happened then those programs would be zeroed out and SpaceX would never see a dime of government money again. I can't confirm these rumors; I can only say that the project died a very quick death before it even got off the ground, with NASA people working on it reassigned to other projects and not a peep out of Elon on the topic until years later. SpaceX would later decide that the super-drano landing approach wasn't working and go back to the tried-and-true parachutes and water recovery EDL architecture, but that was years after this version of Red Dragon was dead and buried.

I wonder if this stuff will be discussed in some autobiography in a few decades when these senators are dead and NASA and JPL are irrelevant to the continual survival of SpaceX

>>14839324
So... once SpaceX lands their first Starship on Mars, they will have put more mass on its surface in one single go than everything else combined that has ever been sent there, including orbiters, fuel, kickstages, parachutes, etc., right?

>>14839384
I have yet to read Garver's book, I suspect she doesn't mention Red Dragon.

So what I'm getting here is that basically all space exploration at this point is just a jobs program. Is this the case for astronomy as well and the current ground telescopes?

>>14839395
Astronomers (derogatory)

>>14839385
>once SpaceX lands their first Starship on Mars
>He thinks this is every happening

>>14839385
Since 1971 we've landed or crashed about 21 tons of various probes into Mars, so yes. They'll pull that off even if the landing starship is completely empty.

Here's an analysis of Red Dragon by NASA. If you ignore politics, it doesn't make sense why they dropped it.
https://web.archive.org/web/20120616154043/http://digitalvideo.8m.net/SpaceX/RedDragon/karcz-red_dragon-nac-2011-10-29-1.pdf

kek

>>14839118
> days
months, i remeber the same layout with the "BTC ETH merge LIVE"

>>14839297
This is so reddit and cringe, all popsoi faggots deserve the airlock

>>14839500
>months
kek, I still remember that SPACE (Official) channel, which used to "livestream" launches and views from the ISS non-stop forever and received millions of views in doing so. They got busted after a copyright claim by Tim Dodd bc some of his music was playing during a RocketLab launch lmao

>>14839515
I found it https://www.youtube.com/c/spaceofficial/videos, the ISS live stream had almost reached 13,000 hours (like a year and a half) lol

>>14839349
How new are you bro

If you want to run an interplanetary mission you (used to) have two choices of managing institution: APL or JPL. The proposal would simply not be considered otherwise. These days there's a little more leeway: GSFC opened a crack in that duopoly wide enough for some private institutions to have a chance in the captain's chair (New Horizons, Lucy, Psyche, et al)

>>14838258

>>14839297
The Ring of Power is also pretty cool. I just hope "Oppy" won't have the usual woke stuff

>>14839324
Tesla Roadster is in orbit around Mars

>>14839370
>This is why China is going to get its samples back first
they unironically just might

>>14839653
Not for nothing, but it's actually in orbit around the sun.

>>14839469
literal vacuum cleaner hose

I really hope Firefly’s launch goes well they could use some good luck

>>14839676
How is your picture related to spaceflight?

>>14839681
I was just browsing my camera roll take an OmegA as reparations

The final segment for SpaceX’s 39A starship tower is on the move

Is Estronaut the only one streaming Firefly?

>>14839686
i had a dream about omegA and everyone clapped when a guy said "never again will there be a segmented solid rocket the likes of omegA"
i cant remember who the guy was, it could have been elon himself

How much have mars samples been studied on Mars by the rovers, what was their instrument equipment like to do that, because it seems there has been written abit about chemicals on Mars, I'm wondering how much of that is from rovers scooping up martian surface and onboard instruments analyzing that material sending results back to earth

>>14839702
The rovers analyse martian dirt on the regular mostly using spectrometers of various kinds but also multispectral imaging and microscopes. Most of that is done without actually scooping up dirt. Curiosity did have one internal instrument that had to be "fed" samples though.