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First for Space Leak System

Repost from august 29

bros what is hq doing

SLS is some WHACK ASS SHIT [math]\unicode{x1F923}[/math][math]\unicode{x1F923}[/math] this shit gonna BLOW UP [math]\unicode{x1F4A5}[/math] [math]\unicode{x1F4AF}[/math]%% [math]\unicode{x1F923}[/math]

DUBS

I still believe

>>14817717
>complete Orion spacecraft
anon i...

>>14817744

>>14817743
It's not complete without the nukes.

These threads should be titled "launch ATTEMPT thread"

IMMM LEEEAAAAKKING AAHAHAH

they've got another leak.
this is my shocked face.

>another scrub

ohhhh say can you leak... out the hydrogen feed line... once so proud a space craft.... is returned to the V A B...

THREAD THEME
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FrLequ6dUdM

guys im so proud of our team

Am I the only motherfucker in this place who's hoping for a good, clean launch and a successful mission?

why are they using gas in the rocket? why not have green electric rocket/

>>14817789
Nah, there's few things I want more in the world than to see big fucking SRB plumes and hi res moon footage

Almost 3hr behind on loading hydrogen, still haven't sealed the leak.

I'm voting on a scrub.

>>14817797
>3hr behind
does this mean 1h left and we're missing the launch window?

>>14817800

Potentially, NASA is saying there is some flexibility in this window but the other problem they are running into is a shortage of LOx on site and SpaceX needs the fuel as well for its launches. They can't keep this thing full of fuel forever.

>>14817808
>running short of oxygen

>>14817795
>and hi res moon footage
um, anon... they changed the trajectory

>I CAN'T FUEL

>>14817820
I've seen the new trajectory anon, the moon's orbit is an ellipse

>>14817818
I CAN'T FEED

Boeing needs to die holy shit

>>14817808
Just find some beetles at 39A or something, it's just that easy in regulatory science.

>>14817831
lewd

SCRUB A DUB DUB NO HYDROGEN IN THE TUB

>This is going to happen with every launch attempt
>Its just going to explode on the launchpad on the final attempt

Berger says scrub, is that true

Elon, it's time to take over

>>14817900
Official line is they're still go for launch, but looking hard at the problem and considering switching to a no go stance.

Just heard from telemetry this is an official scrub, my father works on the Air Force side if they're calling it, it's done

>>14817820
why?

Just hear from my dad (he works at LOX) that they are going ahead with the launch. we are going

>>14817947
We are not. They just announced a scrub. Goddammit.

my father owns nasa and he says transwomen aren't real women

Just heard from my dad (he works in the control room) who said they're launching in 20 minutes

SCRUBBED

I'M GONNA SCROOOOB

SLS sisters, not like this. Not like this.

NO GO
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccenFp_3kq8

At this pace, Starship will launch before SLS

bruh

WE ARE STAYING

OH NO NO NO

HAHAHAHAHHA

Does anyone have a SLS related "it's over"' image? Cause i need one every time it scrubs

welp see you all some time then
I should really stop making these threads before fueling is fully done

I leak for He

I'm starting to think those green bug-eyed little inbred shits are behind the scrub.

>>14817981
wtf is this real?

>Boeing gets highest-ever ranking on DiversityInc’s Top 50
>Boeing moves up to No. 16 in recognition of its shared commitment and actions to create equity and inclusion for all.
>>“Equity, diversity and inclusion are vital to achieving better business outcomes, said David Calhoun, President and Chief Executive Officer. “We are making progress, we are seeing how inclusion makes us stronger collectively, and we are resolute in our commitment to continue improving.”
>>“As we celebrate this recognition from DiversityInc. and the progress it represents, we also understand there’s so much more to do to ensure all teammates feel represented and included,” said Sara Bowen, Vice President, Global Equity, Diversity & Inclusion.

https://onfirstup.com/boeing/BNN/articles/diversityinc-1?bypass_deeplink=true

seems they got their priorities right at least. shame about the planes crashing out of the sky and the skyliner failing and now the sls but maybe with some more diversity they'll do better.

When is the next attempt?

>>14818001
kek

>>14817789
yeah I too hope the grifters will be able to continue their grift for as long as possible

>>14817717
Just point the fucking rocket up and light the fuse, retards.

Care to explain boeingjeets?

>>14818013
TWO WEEKS

>>14818022
You've clearly never played kerbal space program

>WE ARE INCAPABLE
Brave. Stunning even.

so this is america

BOING

>>14818033
Diversity niggers. We keep losing.

>ASSA
>ASS EL ASS
>if it's boeing then it aint going

some say the obsession with esg scores is destroying americas competitiveness and they're losing their economic and technological advantages, but that's wrong thinking. only through increased diversity and hiring based on skin colour and sexuality rather then the racist sexist meritocracies of old can we truly advance as an inclusive and sustainable society. big thanks to blackrock for making all this possible.

>>14818026
I played it ten years ago. You just ignite the rocket and make a new one when it explodes. Easy.

they are literally too scared to launch this thing

>>14818058
>KSP 2012
Oh god I want to go back to right before society collapsed when all I cared about was getting to Eve without dying and the highest K/D on my daily call of duty

The fucking suffering man

>>14818013
Monday. When that launch fails, they can't try again until October.
Diversity is our Strength!

>>14818068
Didn't the original KSP not even have a moon? I seem to remember the big accomplishment was just getting into orbit, and once you got there there was nothing for you to do.

>>14818068
I already knew society was collapsing then.

>shartemis

>>14818079
Wrong.

>>14818079
Yeah pretty much. Can't find a good video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kz4QNYMspqI

I only started during the Thor LP days when the textures of everything were made in white-saturated blender and the atmosphere was made out of liquid osmium, so a little too late to experience firsthand

>>14818074
Actually, the next attempt will be on Tuesday

>>14818096
"Point straight up, then make a 90° turn to the right."

>>14818097
5 September 21:12 UTC
Monday

>>14818100
To be fair that is still basically how I do my gravity assists. It helps if you don't have kerbal joint reinforcement installed and your fuel tanks are made of jello so that you are forced to do it that way

"The Artemis program is the beginning of the next era of what we have a history and a tradition of doing, of providing vision and inspiring innovation in a way that is going to benefit all mankind and womankind. And so I'm very excited to be here. Looking forward to tomorrow,"
-Vice President Kamala Harris

womankind, wow, i thought mankind referred to humanity and therefore included women but i guess not. from now on i'll say mankind and womankind, like our brave diverse vice president

>>14818107
I haven't played KSP in over a year now (don't even have it installed any more) but the last time I did I had so many mods the game was basically unrecognizable and it took 15 minutes to start up.

>>14818079
This is the earliest screenshot I have. I can't remember if there was ever a time with no moon, but there were no other planets or asteroids and the star was just a light source that didn't exist if you tried to reach it.

>>14818112
kamala is a fucking idiot what did you expect?

>human
now that i think of it, thats sexist
should be humans and huwomans

>>14818112
Preach it girl, Amen and Awomen .

>>14818115
>>14818079
Original KSP did not have a moon or persistence (multiple crafts in same save)

humanity and huwomanity

Allow me to show you the only successful rocket launch today.

https://youtu.be/W6UF5nCZmGw

>>14818133
based xi dabbing on the americans

>>14818079
The original KSP only had like six parts. When people discovered they could edit the properties of those parts mods were born.

t. played the alpha

>>14818133
how can you call that a success? where's the diversity?

WE ARE STAYING

>>14818146
nooo
they were going to put the first woman and person of color on the moon. if that went well i was hoping they could put all the women and people of color on the moon

>>14818143
the spent stages are equally likely to land on men, women or even children and pets!

>>14818143
Chinese aren't white, so it's 100% diverse.

>>14818166
Except that Asians all count as being cryptocaucasian so none of them are diverse.

>>14818166
ah, that must be the key to their success

>>14818169
That only holds true when they live in white societies and do better than blacks. Until then they are beautiful and strong POCs victimized by colonialism.

>>14817771
Someone needs to go there with a needle

https://www.boeing.com/history/pride.page

>>Boeing celebrates LGBTQIA+ pride year-round. We recognize our LGBTQIA+ teammates, whose global impact continues to transform Boeing and aerospace. And we stand together in pride with the LGBTQIA+ community, acknowledging the progress made in the ongoing pursuit of LGBTQIA+ equality and the work still needed to improve.
>>Boeing offers gender affirmation benefits for eligible employees and their dependents in accordance with WPATH standards of care. In 2021, we created a Gender Affirmation Team and re-evaluated processes and procedures to ensure procedures were inclusive of non-binary identities.
>>BEPA’s 20 chapters connect thousands of LGBTQIA+ teammates and allies across the globe to provide personal and professional development and networking opportunities for their members

>Main article: List of accidents and incidents involving the Boeing 737
>As of March 2022, there has been a total of 503 aviation accidents and incidents involving all 737 aircraft,[179] including 219 hull losses resulting in a total of 5,717 fatalities
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_737#Accidents_and_incidents

yeah lets go boeing!

we are going! (home)
just two more days lads!

>>14818222
>503 aviation accidents and incidents involving all 737 aircraft,[179] including 219 hull losses resulting in a total of 5,717 fatalities
i think i'll take the airbus instead
i will not get on a boeing airplane

>>14818197
>>14818222
the plane that pride built

>>14818197
Is this really a diversity issue, can someone who works for Boeing or NASA give us a honest none /pol/ perspective.

>>14818279
what /pol/ perspective? literally just copy-pasting text directly from boeings website. i think it's great they're so diverse and inclusive. i'm willing to forgive the hundreds of crashed planes and failures in space for the sake of making sure the right person (the minority) gets the job. aren't you?

>>14818279
I don't work there but it seems to be nothing more than profiteering to me.
>make contract bid
>get contract
>finish on time and on budget
vs
>make bid
>pressure senators with how many jobs to create in their states
>get contract via politcal threats rather than being the best
>run over time
>ask for more money (we could always move our jobs to another state, senator)
>get more money
>run over time
>repeat

Which do you think is more pofitable?

>>14818299
>aren't you?
no

>>14818079
Nope, I remember getting into the game right before they added the mun. Also around that time there was no orbital map either, you just had figure if your altitude and orbital velocity matched up to mean you were in orbit or not.

>>14818299
why don't you call up boeing and teach them a thing or two about engineering rockets?

>>14818079
>>14818141
>>14818334
I started playing just before the mun was added and when it was first added there were no landing legs so everyone used fins to stay upright.
Just started another RP-1 playthrough the other day and it looks like RP-2 is close to release.
$15 for over a thousand hours, probably the best vaule game I have ever brought.

>>14818299
The 737's incident rate is not high. Being so widely used is what gives it a seemingly high absolute incident number.
Most of Boeing's problems are due to management.

>>14818350
>flights
>not hours flown
Why? The 737 is going to do way more flights than the 747 in the same hours because one is used for 1 hour hops and the other is used for non-stop transatlantic flights.

>>14818358
Takeoff and especially landing are the most dangerous parts of the flight, so flight risk scales better with those (i.e. number of flights) than it does with flight duration.

>>14818358
Crashes dont often happen during cruise

>>14818368
>>14818375
But you are using it to argue the 737 Max isn't that bad and it does have issues in cruise.

>>14818339
Nah that'd be racist (whitesplaining) and sexist (mansplaining) and also transphobic (cisplaining) and homophobic (heterosplaining)

>>14818197
You can say a lot about flat earthers, but at least they're not faggots

>>14817717
Gotta give it to Boeing, never saw so many people show up for a wdr

>>14818401
what do flat earth retards have to do with any of this? seems a random association. point is diversity hiring makes no fucking sense instead of just hiring on merit. and lives are being put at risk. not my life though, i'm not getting on one of their planes.

how can sharts even compete in technology with Russia and China, hypersonics are one thing but this shit is inexcusable. America is fast being relegated to the trash heap of history.

>>14818344
Yup, those were the days. And also getting to the Mun by waiting until a “munrise” then burning til 3000 or so. I agree, in terms of price/hours of entertainment no other game has ever come close.

>>14818458
>>>/pol/ or lurk for about three years before posting here

>>14818279
It's Echos of Douglass. The merger kept almost all the Douglass management, which acted as a poison to the rest of the company. There are sites that refuse to use Boeing specs, and still use Douglass documents. Shitty deals were made decades ago, and this is the result.
If you ever buy a failing company, clean house.
>t. insider

what does it mean to go out of your way to hire for diversity? it means you give preferential hiring based on race or gender, because hiring purely on merit isn't getting your diversity quotas met.

you can't pretend that isn't part of the issue.

>>14818527
NASA doesn't care if they can't launch rockets, they only care about getting money. Diversity and failure gets NASA more money than it would get out of successful endeavors

>>14818527
It’s not though. This program has been going since the early 2000s and it’s the fault of Congress keeping contractors open.

>>14818391
The 737 != the 737 Max.

>>14818527
Yeah, lack of hiring on merit is a major problem with SLS. Congress wrote in that NASA had to reuse shuttle contractors and farm out the contracts to as many districts as possible to protect jerbs, regardless of their competence or the implications for vehicle design.
Not that /pol/ knows or cares.

>>14818350
>737's incident rate is not high
crash rate 300% larger than the next most dangerous airliners, the 747 and the 310

>>14818603
>>14818574
and preferential hiring based on race and gender over merit isn't a contributing factor? how can you say that?

>>14818614
The 737 != the 737 Max.
The 737 has been in service since the 1960s.

>>14818613
Because I've been following SLS/aerospace developments and reading OIG reports for years. And if you're arguing "show X isn't a factor" then you have clearly have no evidence that X is a factor, which suggests that you're not raising X on the basis of, err, the merit of the case.

Suspicious that the shittle derived parts are the things causing the scrubs.

>roggetry is hard please under stand
>40 years
>still new hardware

how much does it cost them to delay it like that every time

When will the meme of sending rockets into space finally end? It's literally useless.

>meme rocket cobbled together from literal museum pieces has issues
It's going to explode when they finally try to launch it, isn't it

>launch thread

>>14818690
He can't produce evidence because its LITERALLY ILLEGAL TO COMPILE IT

>>14818882
3 white guys at the press conference, why don't you blame them

Its time mentlegen.

>>14818976
But how many American industry jobs across how many states would this support? You can't just send all this work to one company in one state

>>14818976

They would have to manrate it. We literally went over this already in the 1960s with Titan II, that's how NASA got formed because NACA and the Air Force couldn't agree on the definition of "man rated" so NACA took their ball and went home.

>>14819066
Artemis 1 is unmanned. So we can manrate it on this launch. Falcon 9 is already man rated. So it's basically. Can orion abort away from FH safely.

>>14818690
>>14818929

buddy, it's simple logic, try to follow along

>hiring on merit should net you some minorities naturally
>but thats not enough
>because they're talking about going out of their way to hire more
>which means these hires come at the expense of merit

you're asking me to prove 2+2=4, this is simple basic logic here. if hiring on merit isn't getting you enough minorities then you start hiring based on race and gender, at the expense of merit. duh

>>14818118
>>14818127
so fucking stupid just like trudeau and his peoplekind, the obv term to use would just be humanity

>>14818344
you're a stupid overaged baby who still plays video games. do you still wear diapers too?

>>14817717
>LAUNCH THREAD

>>14817717
>Launch: September 3, 2:17 p.m. EDT

>>14818766
About tree fiddy(bn)

GROUND CONTROL TO MAJOR TOM
GROUND CONTROL TO MAJOR TOM
YOUR CIRCUITS DEAD THERES SOMETHING WRONG
CAN YOU HEAR ME MAJOR TOM

>>14819180
>which means these hires come at the expense of merit
Only if merit is some sort of mystical innate quality, 'pure' hiring is done mostly on merit, no other interventions exist, and that on-the-job training to adequate standards (like they did for WWII or most of the Apollo contractors) is impossible. And that every single team and division within the company is held to that standard.
Hell, the reason they're making SLS as a Frankensteined shuttle is politics, not its technical merit.
>because they're talking about going out of their way to hire more
And in practice, for the Defense, Space and Security division,
https://www.boeing.com/principles/diversity-and-inclusion/annual-report/
>24% women
>26% minority
>of which ~21% Black/Latino/Native
>19% Veterans
The only 'diversity hire' group that's near or above general population levels is veterans, whom nobody ever talks about in such discussions.

>>14819542
nice mental gymnastics

>hire candidate a, better qualified, but the wrong skin colour
vs
>hire candidate b, less qualified, but the right skin colour

it's just racism that they'll choose b to meet esg quotas

>>14819071
>So we can manrate it on this launch

LOL imagine the screaming if SpaceX was allowed to man rate vehicles for their second ever launch. It would be another shoah and for good reasons. Sticking people on top of the second launch of this contractor monstrosity made out of museum pieces of farsical.

>>14819629
sls is so monstrously expensive they can't afford to do proper testing first. the whole point of it being a museum piece frankenstein was to save money. imagine if they tried building an entirely new rocket instead how much more it would of cost with how inefficiently they do things.

>>14819644
>imagine if they tried building an entirely new rocket instead how much more it would of cost with how inefficiently they do things.

Why don't they just stop giving unlimited money to Boeing lockmart grifters for SLS and buy a few hundred Falcon 9 launches instead. Of course we both know the answer.

>>14819629
It's all proven bits. Just not in the FH Orion stack configuration.

>>14819675
FH has had what, like four launches? Do you seriously think they will be allowed to man rate that, especially when you see the bullshit they had to do to man rate Falcon 9? Let alone with a whole new stack of shit on top.

any real human progress in space is on hold until starship is operational. assuming starship hasn't been designed to fail after all our hopes are placed in it. leaving us with only the too expensive to actually use sls. it would be decades of stagnation like the space shuttle era was. why? one can only speculate.

I had a dream that one of the Artemis launches was going to blow up half way between the Earth and the heavens. There were people involved I saw faces cry out in pain.

>>14819629
NASA manrated STS on the first flight

Imagine being the poor souls scheduled to fly on the second SLS launch and looking at this shitshow. I would probably just turn it down desu, claim some bullshit excuse and hopefully you get slotted in on a dragon capsule.

>>14819698
Heavy still benefits from 9's launch history.

The Falcon is the most reliable and safe rocket on the planet.

>>14819542
>The only 'diversity hire' group that's near or above general population levels is veterans, whom nobody ever talks about in such discussions.
Veterans are hired because they come with security clearance and a skillset for the defense industry. It's a ready-made population who already understands the material and who the government has (in the case of engineers and aviation technicians) already vetted and trained to a high standard of quality.

what's the point of this rocket? why not just let spacex do it? they're clearly way better than boeing and nasa

>>14819988
To justify NASA's budget. Numerous overpaid diversity hires' careers are riding on this getting off the ground.

>>14819988
>what's the point of this rocket?
To keep all the Shuttle jobs to keep senators happy.
>why not just let spacex do it?
1) When SLS started SpaceX hadn't made orbit
2) SpaceX isn't publicly listed so congress can't invest before giving contracts
3) SpaceX doesn't employ 100k people across 45 states
>they're clearly way better than boeing and nasa
They dominate medium-lift with the Falcon 9, the Falcon 1 was so shit it only flew a few times as proof of concept, Falcon Heavy is a waste of time with fairings too small for it's payload capacity.
If BFR works they'll dominate super heavy and heavy but for now they can't get the Raptor 2 to stop running engine rich.

The next attempt will be in october, guys. They won't try again this month

>>14820370
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>>14820416
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>>14820370
they'll try and fail again on sept 9

>>14817758
If we’re attempting accuracy it should be “launch claims”
The only thing being attempted is justifying the conversion of taxpayer money into political power, and that has been a raging success.

>>14817777
which team?

>>14817818
oxygen deprivation causes retardation, which explains a lot

>>14818143
yangguizi don’t know bout my 55 official minority ethnicities

>>14819988
SpaceX doesn't have the capability yet. In the future they will probably be forced to cancel SLS and just contract SpaceX because of the massive cost difference, but that's at least a few years off.
We'll see a handful of SLS launches and then it will be taken out back, like Saturn.