/sci/ - Science & Math

>nerds are raging on reddit whether it was 2 or 3 engines in the static fire
like bro take a shower, go outside

Propellant slosh

>>14810593
>honors physics
>has day 1 elementary physics calculation on the board
this is why america is failing

>>14810593
>learning how science is done
if anything they're bored to death or learning how to milk paypiggies on their future YT or OF accounts

From NASA’s HLS SSS

> In addition, I appreciate that although SpaceX’s design has substantially augmented capabilities, these do not come at the expense of heightened risk to mission execution or crew safety. I particularly find SpaceX’s strength under Technical Area of Focus 1 for its robust approach to aborts and contingencies to be compelling. This approach contains several key features, including: the application of its excess propellant margin to expedite ascent to lunar orbit in the event of an emergency early return; a comprehensive engine-out redundancy capability; and two airlocks providing redundant ingress/egress capability, each with independent environmental control and life support capabilities that can provide a safe haven for crew. Additionally, SpaceX’s design allows for the sourcing of excess propellant, which will provide crew with a large reserve supply of life support consumables in the event of a contingency event. I thus agree with the SEP that SpaceX’s design incorporates a variety of capabilities that enable the execution of vital and time-critical contingency and abort operations which provide the crew with flexibilities should such scenarios arise. Collectively, these capabilities mitigate risks and increase the likelihood of crew safety during multiple phases of the mission.

Damn so there’s gonna be two airlocks, one on each side of the cargo bay, with each having a life support system that can serve the entire ship

>>14810592
You're the real fool here.

>>14810592
>reddit
Don't bring that garbage drama in here, go back.

>>14810593
Do I seriously see Km = 1000m written there?

sisters...

>>14810632
It's a school. A child has to start learning somewhere. Hell, it's probably an American school so all they know is feet and elbows or whatever.

>>14810623
That's the sound of upmass dropping

Reminds me a bit of that super-RV they build in Jurassic Park 2 that gets btfo by the first t-rex they encounter

>>14810645
>according to elon musk
>glass domes
things that never happened

>>14810657
>trail marker
Where's my history report Elon

>>14810603
"honors physics" is a meme in the US though. AP Physics is that actual advanced course and normal physics would be for literal retards. Chemistry is commonly offered with honors being a prerequisite for the AP, but AP Physics 1 (if schools actually offer the courses) is generally the prerequisite for AP Physics B or C.

>>14810645
literally who

>>14810661
Where do they come up with this shit?

>>14810661
pretty sure that twitter handle is equivalent to those youtube content-farm videos "elon musk and nasa reveal their crazy plans to colonize venus"

ELON MUSK FINALLY REVEALS AMAZING ANTI MATTER DRIVE

>>14810675
GOOD MORNING SIRS
PLS SUBSCRIBE

>>14810671
It was revealed to them in a dream, or a shitty 'article' with absolutely no references written by certain 'people'

>>14810657
>remotely watching a robot dog patrolling the mars colonial program's site
yep it's the future

https://youtube.com/shorts/ckyu1pmk5qc?feature=share
Ummmmm guys??? Handsome alert!!!

PSA: This(>>14810695) is just a worthless Angry Astronaut clip not worth watching, he isn't even being controversial in it.

>>14810592
it was three. Imagine discussing this

>>14810632
1000 m^3==1km^3 what's the problem?

>>14810731
There is no problem. He's just a retard frogposter, probably from the EU. pay him no mind

>>14810632
It's teaching the kiddies to show the units in their math
>>14810731
basado

>>14810731
Kek

>>14810731
Damn, Starship's payload volume is MASSIVE

>>14810596
Ullage

>>14810632
It's burgeristan. Metrics and base10 seems confusing to them.

>>14810731
This proves that metric is probably one of the worst, confusing systems ever designed. like fuck off using length for volume. use gallons

>>14810657
>>14810691
Damn robots stealing perfectly good Security Officer jobs.

>>14810777
checked

>>14810691
>>14810657
>>14810777
We'll see Tesla bots @ Starbase soon enough

>>14810762

>>14810790
Should measure length in fractions of inches to make it perfect.

>>14810788
Have they actually shown about these robots yet? I find it extremely hard to believe they will bring out anything functional in any way soon, especially compared to boomer dynamics. They wouldn't be using Spot dogs otherwise

>>14810790
>sharts itself on maiden launch day
So this is the power of customary units

>>14810671
they make it up, scream it loud, ban anyone that disagrees, and then demand more money from their pay piggies

>>14810777
the videofeed is streamed to a worker in India who controls the robot

>>14810801
tesla is very wealthy and has robust ai tech on hand-nabbing decent robotics and doing some intergration is not trivial, but if they've got a few hundred warm bodies thrown at the problem they may have made visible progress in the last year. perhaps we will see prototype sections of the robot-a few demos of hands, legs, vision systems individually would be good to see even if they're not integrated yet.

>>14810811
>"SIRS YOU MUST LEAVE PREMISES NOW BEFORE I CALL POLICE FUCKING BASTARD BITCH"

>>14810790
I think rocket sizes should be expressed in liberty statue volumes. The numbers in the pic are just too big. So 264 236 gallons of LH2 would be exactly 0.4 liberty statues

>>14810801
They bought Spot before Tesla's robot was unveiled.

>>14810817
I wonder what effects Tesla bots could have.

>>14810819
>SER PLEASE DO THE NEEDFUL AND REVERT TO VAB
>DO NOT REDEEM THE STARLINK TOKENS SER

>>14810819
>ywn cum tribute all over the outraged image of a .15$ Indian IT worker on the ipad being carried by a 75,000 robot dog, his tinny voice muffled by ropes of semen splattered over the speaker holes
why even live

>>14810817
Inb4 they inadvertabdly turn into Cyberdyne Systems.
Showing off a few pieces of the arms and leg designs would still be pretty cool though

God I wish earth's gravity was just a little less

>>14810805
> ragequit from glorious British Empire
> retain Imperial measurements
> slightly alter it and call it 'customary units'
Colonial johnnies are odd ducks, what?

>>14810801
They can turn out mass produced robots very quickly given their capacity.

They have the FSD software team and just need couple dozen people working on the body parts, mainly the actuators/motors part. Tesla has almost all the necessary components for a humanoid robot.

They're set to unveil a prototype in 1 month.

>>14810841
>They're set to unveil a prototype in 1 month.
Source?
Also
>Elon time

>>14810836
Imagine how much better things would be if we had 0.88g to start with, all aerospace accomplishments would have happened much earlier

>>14810845
AI DAY is Sept 30

They do that every year or so

>>14810845

>>14810849
guess what dumb ass, it's getting pushed again

>>14810847
... and we might have run out of atmosphere sooner.
Less planetary volume => the core freezes
Less escape-velocity => gas leaves faster

>>14810847
>tfw if our gravity was 10% higher we'd basically need nuclear propulsion to leave the planet
dodged a bullet

>>14810845
>Elon time
nice little euphemism you guys have

>>14810849
What's the over-under on how many years behind Boston Dynamics it'll be?

>>14810850
dont be mean :(

>>14810851
Based, I HATE atmosphere

>>14810854
It's just a prototype. It'll only be able to mow lawns and fold clothes.

>>14810854
Boston dynamics is a complete joke that stopped innovating 10 years ago, lost all it's talent, went bankrupt, and was bought for pennies by bugmen (who are desperately struggling to monetize it)

>>14810819
There comes a time in the life of every observant man when he is confronted by horrors of such unimaginable perversion that he is forced to accept that Ted Kaczynski was right about fucking everything.

>>14810854
It'll not be as spectacular I think, you have less torque with the electric motors.
But those high tech proonted hydraulic joints are always gonna blow the fuck up, not practical for long hours in the factory.

>>14810854
Its different. Boston Dynamics bots are dumb robots, meaning they're basically brainless and requires human controller.

Tesla bots are fully actualized android with an autonomous capability for generalized instructions following, generalized locomotion, generalized tool handling, generalized learning, etc.

any more statics for today?

>>14810861
He was wrong about one thing, there's no stopping it, no going back

>>14810588
so whats up with elon wanting a mars colony instead of space colony on one of the L points hell we could build one next to moon isnt that easier

>>14810861
says the man using the internet right now.
smash your computer and go live in the woods anon

>>14810819
Didn't someone buy one of these and have it going around calling people niggers

>>14810867
Good.
https://youtu.be/C2Yx90pytqs

>>14810868
Ah yes, all those damn resources at L points. Perfect to make a self sustaining colony!

>>14810868
Space colony cant scale fast enough.

Mars colony can sustain hundreds of million (in 100 years) in real short time without having to transport/build all space to live/expand. Land is free on Mars, as well as critical raw resources like water/minerals/metals/etc.

>>14810880
What if they find oil on mars?

>>14810852
Imagine if that was the great filter.

>>14810868
Space colonies are pointless, why didn't Britain make a colony in the middle of the ocean

>>14810887
That's not a great filter. It would take much longer to get to space but you could still get to space.

>>14810859
Ben Katz still works there. They have some talent.
>>14810863
Their robots might be smarter but they're still far from "generalized".
Their FSD architecture is currently very driving specific, it'll be hard to make the robots do much more than walk around without going the fully end-to-end learning route.
You can't do rules weighted trajectory optimization for picking up a sponge out a drawer and wiping down the sink. It's gonna have to look like muzero.

>>14810898
Teach them to walk through bushes and rocks and put a gun on them and it's all the military needs

>>14810876
L points are closer both to earth and to moon than mars
hell we can build whatever we want on L1 and L2 points by just literally trebuchetting processed materials from moons surface

i mean can we even get enough damn fuel to set off a runaway process on a mars colony?
way i see it to get to mars wed have to breed moon 1st anyway


>>14810892
you are most likely to just run out food by then

>>14810887
>le great filter
Dumbest shit I ever read in my life

>>14810905
That's explicitly against their TOS. If you do that they can sue you and take your robot away and you pay a hefty fine.

>>14810916
They already have DoD contracts. As for the TOS part I heard these generally don't hold up in court

>>14810914
So? Getting to Mars demands about the same delta-V. Only difference is the length of time but the benefits are overwhelming considering all the resources you need actually exists there. L1 and L2 aren't stable points in space. You might as well just make a colony in high LEO at that point.

You just want a big ass space station in bumfuck nowhere space.

>>14810914
>L points are closer both to earth and to moon than mars
this barely matters. landing on the moon requires as much or more fuel than landing on mars. it just takes longer.
the biggest problem with the moon is that it's missing, carbon and water and the nights are uncomfortably long for power generation.

>>14810880
Water won't be cheap on Mars and you're delusional if you think otherwise. It has less water and Martian water likely contains a higher amount of toxic chemicals, requiring more expensive purification techniques. To provide water for 100 million people on Earth requires massive reservoirs, water purification plants, etc. even in countries that have relatively good access to fresh water. Mars does not have good access to fresh water and short of a massive terraforming project it would never make economic sense to have such a massive colony. When you account for the difficulty caused by oxygen, food, and weather anything beyond Antarctic style research facilities starts sounding like schizophrenia.

All that said, L point colony is an even dumber idea. A moon colony on the surface makes the most sense, although I guess the low gravity could preclude permanent habitation.

time to discuss pilotless aerial vehicles. I bet they modified a lot of jets and helis already to be computer controlled

>>14810915
The fact that we haven't seen other aliens means that there is some great filter, we just don't know what it is.

>>14810929
Literal underage retard that has watched too much kurzgesagt shit here lmao.

>>14810898
>Their robots might be smarter but they're still far from "generalized".
No ones claiming Tesla is going for the perfect generalized bot, but they'll have a bot that can do generalized instructions and navigate the world

>>14810931
Literal retard.

>>14810937
fr fr no cap

>>14810926
>A moon colony on the surface makes the most sense
>no sunlight for 14 days
>no water except tiny amounts at the poles
>this is somehow better than mars in any way whatsoever
>schizophrenia

>>14810939
Okay, retard.

>>14810926
>A moon colony on the surface makes the most sense
No it doesn't.

>>14810944
Go back to watching your animated youtube videos zoom zoom.

>>14810883
>What if they find oil on mars?
There is virtually no atmospheric oxygen for combustion to take place. Using electricity to split water or heating carbon dioxide for this purpose is ludicrous when extracting, refining, combusting oil/gas, then spinning a shaft is already so god damn inefficient. The only use for oil on Mars is as a feedstock for plastic and other shit.

>>14810929
We know what it is, the conditions required for advanced intelligent life to evolve are really fucking rare with close to impossible odds.

>>14810926
>Water won't be cheap on Mars
what the fuck are you talking about, mars is filthy with water
>Martian water likely contains a higher amount of toxic chemicals, requiring more expensive purification techniques.
there are bog standard microbes that eat percholates anon, it is not hard to integrate that into a water treatment system

this is just ignorant whataboutism where you pretend any problem you can think of is impossible to overcome and ignore all the work going into it, gish galloping from one concern to another.

>>14810948
>millennial wants to feel old and mature

>>14810951
Would any resource found on Mars be profitable to bring back to Earth?

>>14810959
no.

>>14810957
So you're underage.

>>14810955
>mars is filthy with water
we can't even fix our water problems down here

SpessX keeps winning bros...

>>14810959
bringing platinum and palladium from near earth asteroids is already unprofitable. you do mining only because you want to build infrastructure in situ

>>14810955
Case for mars should be required /sfg/ reading

>>14810963
mars is not earth and it has NONE of the legacy problems earth has. we get to start fresh.

>>14810968
The Case for Mars is fucking retarded and you're a retard for suggesting it.

>>14810969
well in any case we should fix the water problems down here first

Ship 24 fueling.

>>14810965
Probably linked to the Starliner delay

Boeing is just about at rock bottom

>>14810955
It has less water than Earth and would require greater difficulty to mine and purify. It could be overcome but it makes zero economical sense, the same way no one ever bothered to build massive canals and resevoirs in the Sahara desert. You said:
>Land is free on Mars, as well as critical raw resources like water/minerals/metals/etc.
Which I assumed meant that:
a) You thought that water would be free on Mars, which is retarded.
b) You thought that water would at least be easy to produce in the amounts necessary to sustain millions of people without decades and decades of Mars being a funeral pyre for money.

>>14810974
Yes, and think about climate
We can't just break Mars, after we already fucked up Earth so badly, you know?

>>14810965
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>14810978
NOBODY HAS EVER CLAIMED THERE IS PROFIT TO BE MADE. MARS IS ENTIRELY UNPROFITABLE AND WE WILL COLONIZE IT STILL YOU FUCKING REDDITOR.

>>14810985
Ok commie

>>14810977
what delay?

>>14810989
https://www.space.com/boeing-starliner-first-astronaut-flight-delay-february-2023

>>14810852
spin launch would save us

>>14810985
Aside from the technological and cultural advancements.

>>14810969
We could start fresh in Antarctica or the Sahara and have a much easier time in every meaningful way.
Antarctica:
>70% of Earth's fresh water
>-4° to -22° F on the coasts, compared to an average of -81° F on Mars (and -200° where most of Mars' abundant water is)
>Perfectly breathable atmosphere that can sustain plant and human life
>Travel time to and from inhabited lands on the scale of hours rather than months with no concern about transfer windows
Eventually all the problems could be surmounted, but it would be absurdly inefficient to focus humanity's resources on doing that at the scale you suggest.

>>14810997
>nottu disu shit again

>>14810977
It's more linked to uncertainties in finding a launch vehicle for Starliner once it runs out of Atlas Vs. Boeing could pay out the money needed to crew certify Vulcan, but they really don't't want to given how few launches there are left in the ISS's lifespan. Buying this block of crew dragon flights gives NASA all the transport they need to keep the station staffed up until its shutdown in 2030.

>>14810978
>It has less water than Earth and would require greater difficulty to mine and purify.
it has 5 million cubic kilometers of near surface water. you just fucking dig it out and melt it and do basic water treatment as needed anon. any halfway decend hab will use extensive water recycling and only need to top up every now and then.
you're talking to more than one person, and you're fundamentally misunderstanding this whole thing. The goal of mars is to colonize mars using outside streams of revenue with no expectation of a financial return. There might be such a return in the long run, but it's not important or needed.
Imagine if I had a multi-billion dollar company that brought in 25 billion in net income every year and i took half of that and dedicated it to building a mars colony, with the colony beiong completed being the goal. That's SpaceX. SpaceX is designed to make a shitload of money and use that to colonize mars for the purpose of colonizing mars.
Money is how we make things we want to happen happen, not just a means to make even more money.

>>14810923
>>14810924
ok i get but
>time doesnt matter
>distance doesnt matter
absolute bullshit and either way we will have to build up a proper moon earth infra before mars
or do you guys want to leave moon pure and innocent and just go straight to mars?
>You just want a big ass space station in bumfuck nowhere space.
mars is more of a bumfuck than moon+L points yknow

Ummm... HOW?

>>14810997
Sure, but we want to colonize mars not the sahara. there's a few people working on colonizing the ocean floor and i wish them well, but it isn't mars. mars being harder makes it more fun.

>>14810649
>>14810632
american high schools are 2/3 weeks into 36-week classes, they're still just doing intro/review stuff

>>14811004
>either way we will have to build up a proper moon earth infra before mars
Completely false. Not even remotely true. Unbelievably misinformed.

>>14810997
I'm sure a bunch of white people colonizing Africa or violating Antarctic Treaty would go over well

>>14810997
>focus humanities' resources
>implying
im sorry to tell you but your precious resources are being focused on the military industrial complex and number go up stock market faggotry entirely.
humanity is going nowhere unless people build bigass rockets and start going out there. we will ascend to the stars or decay into mediocrity.

status of the axiom station modules?

>>14811007
Extreme corruption

Boeing's had its hooks in NASA for a long time. Doug Loverro trying to rig a bid in favor of Boeing was just the tip of the iceberg

>>14810763
starship will hold nearly 12,000 hogsheads of liquid methane when fully fueled! amazing!

>>14811012
kek, the way you framed it would basically implode the minds of the retards arguing for muh urf problems first

>>14811007
NASA could buy 1000 Starships for the price of SLS development money spent so far $40 B.

>>14811007
that's because SpaceX flights are inevitably less safe. No free lunch in this game

>>14811028
they can't even buy 1 moonship for $3 billion

>>14811029
kek. stop baiting.

>>14811019
because musky has become the sworn enemy of the left, you got plenty of faggot leftists running defense for boing without even a shred of irony

100 SpaceX launch in 2023. - Elon

>>14811007
They're hedging because they don't trust SpaceX as much as Boeing, and/or corruption.

>>14811028
Delusional much?

>>14811030
>>14811028
On a podcast Elon said a full Starship stack was $50-100 million to build

>By some estimates, the World Cup is going to cost Qatar approximately US$220 billion
think of the amount of starships that would buy

>>14811021
That really puts it in perspective o_O

>>14811042
To build out. If they charge $100 million per launch, it pays off after 1 launch.

If they charge $20 million per launch, it pays off after 5 launches.

>>14811043
I wonder how much that is in dead North Korean slaves

>>14810997
It will be ruined by normies the minute it is successful

>>14811042
they are around that price. have to be. you can't spend much more money in a facility that size in the amount of time it takes to build one.
the vehicles they're building are a drop in the bucket of the money they're losing on starlink.

>>14811042
based noticer of the same thing I noticed while watching the NELK podcast

>>14811012
>a bunch of white people
Why would Mars colonists be white? For any meaningful number of colonists you'd need to appeal to the dregs of society to get cheap labor and people willing to uproot their life and livelihood for a dream, and poor people are disproportionately not white.

>>14811007
They are going to look really foolish when SLS turns in to a very expensive fireball this saturday.

>>14811054
disproportionately not white people also care disproportionately little about space travel and technological advancement.

>>14811054
We shouldn't encourage top people to go to Mars where their talent would be largely wasted and unproductive.

>>14811054
>poor people are disproportionately not white.
Tell me you're a white supremacist without telling me you're a white supremacist

>>14811057
>space travel and technological advancement
Not a sufficient pull to get millions of people to risk their lives colonizing an inhospitable planet. Who's more likely to want to start a new life:
>45 year old science teacher with wife and family
>21 year old high school dropout who got fired from his construction job after stealing from his coworkers.

>>14811063
>millions of people to risk their lives
it will be hundreds of people risking their lives. by the time it's tens of thousands there will not be lethal danger. i don't see more than a few hundreds of thousands of offworld settlers being a thing in my lifetime tough.

>>14811063
it wasn't 45-year-old teachers who settled the world in the age of colonialism either. it does take a triple-digit iq but industriousness and toughness and risk-seeking are probably more important beyond that

>>14811061
Is that a controversial thing to say? I've mostly heard it used in the guise of promoting racial equity or whatever but I meant it to be completely neutral. People here have some absurd dream of millions of educated middle class white Americans being willing to give up their cushy lifestyle and take their families to an inhospitable hellhole.

>>14811063
>people who are likely to be selected to be space colonists
>felons

pick one

>>14810954
> describe a filter
> object to others calling it a filter

>>14811070
>it wasn't 45-year-old teachers who settled the world in the age of colonialism either
No, it was mainly the dregs of society with the occasional second son of a lesser noble or merchant. People are far more willing to take risks when their lives are already shit. You understand my point exactly in that the kind of people who would be most enthralled and supportive of space travel are not the same people who would be willing to entirely uproot their lives.

>>14811075
The controversial thing is implying that whites could never be a part of an economically impoverished underclass. Only browns get to be the poor "dregs of society," right?

>>14810965
>wtf chudbros... I thought the evil FAA/NASA was against us

>>14810996
>the technological and cultural advancements.
being a neuralinked slave of Marscorp? no thanks

>>14811087
>it was mainly the dregs of society
By the time a Mars colony is a thing and looking for colonists that's going to be non-self-hating white people who will be seen as the undesirables.

Post yfw Firefly has it's second launch before the SLS launch.

>>14811083
>petty theft
>felony
Pick one

>colonists
>convicts
Pick both, because that was incredibly common for centuries. If the goal is simply to get as many warm bodies as possible in a self reproducing colony then sending non-violent offenders is perfect and solves two problems at once.

>>14810965
>Crew-10, Crew-11, Crew-12, Crew-13, and Crew-14

static fire @ 4:20

>>14811100
The demands for Mars colonists and colonists of old are completely different. Stop reasoning by analogy. Mars colonists will need to be very intelligent and not antisocial.

>>14811095
Okay, reddit.

>>14811090
>filtered by "disproportionately"
I know you're concern trolling because you think I'm a libtard or something but it won't work because I don't give a shit about being called racist.

over/under 10 tiles fall off during the sf

>>14811105
Then you'll never get millions of people on Mars.

>>14811114
>my source? it came to me in a dream

>>14811110
Did any fall off last time?

>>14811100
>1700s era empires shipping off undesirables to technically livable areas on earth to farm
>anywhere near the same as colonizing another fucking planet that requires everyone have technical skills

Get ready

>>14811117
not every martian would need to have technical skills any more than every bostonian in 1650 needed to be a shipwright

>>14811123
Settling Mars is significantly different than breaking land in colonial Massachusetts. The two are not comparable in any meaningful way.

>>14811107
I like Muskys rockets but I'm not hooking up my CNS to his gizmos anon

>>14810924
>the biggest problem with the moon is that it's missing, carbon and water
hopelessly out of date

>>14811129
I understand the logic behind the idea. If we eliminate the boundary between human intelligence and artificial intelligence then we also eliminate the chance AI would see us as a separate competing species it needs to overcome. I just don't want to have to install adblock for my frontal cortex to keep google out of my dreams.

Lets get serious for a minute. Is starship launching this year or not?

>>14811115
People are (generally) rational and 99% of people who are intelligent with the knowledge to make an ideal Mars colonist will have strong economic prospects on Earth (unless they're from India, I guess). People who would be most prone to immigrate (aka people with few economic prospects on Earth) are not going to be intelligent.

14811123
no more (You)s for you
literally every last fucking thing on Mars is going to require computers and machinery to function at the level they'll need
everyone will need to know how to properly work their shit because replacements will be an absolute premium
some 80IQ ape will not be going to Mars because they can't be trusted to not fucking break shit when being a retard

>>14811136
yes. it's flying as soon as they do a successful full static fire on the booster and 4 months is enough time to get that done.

i don't really have a dog in the fight but this mars discussion is mostly convincing me that nobody has any clue how to devise an economically viable mars colony

it's over

>>14811138
Good luck finding millions of trained engineers of both sexes that have limited family and few career prospects. The alternative is to get as many people as possible, and let them fuck like rabbits while a smaller group of professionals run all the automated stuff.

>>14811137
economic prospects for most people are in the fucking shitter
having technical skills is not anywhere near a guarantee of a good life since there's fuckloads more graduates than available jobs, on top of what few jobs there are being run by boomers and jews who chronically underpay and overwork what poor sods that choose to eat it
Going off to Mars would be a stunning improvement for anyone that isn't some corporate husk, and those wont be welcome

>>14811134
You literally enslave yourself to the AI so as to avoid potentially being killed by it.

>>14811144
It's because there's no such thing as an economically viable Mars colony by any concrete measure.

>>14811136
Perhaps

charging to go to mars is mostly about filtering out undesirables. if you can gather a few hundred thousand bucks you're probably not a total fuck up. i imagine there will be other requirements in terms of health and ability as well, although those will slowly be reduced over the years until any tom dick or harry can go.

>>14811136
No, not until SLS flies

>>14811144
>nobody has any clue how to devise an economically viable mars colony
Vegas on steroids completely unbound by any national or international laws. A few thousand permanent inhabitants who cater to the very wealthy and oversee mining operations.

>>14811153
The idea is more hybridization than anything else. "AI" would just become an extension of some kind of post-human consciousness and my God I have to go and take a shower after typing that.

Ray Kurzweil and The Age of Intelligent Machines have been a disaster for non-retarded discussions about futurism.

>>14810819
>>14810861

>>14811144
There isn’t any secret to it. There will be people on Mars and they will make stuff for each other.
They will also make items desired by urfers, probably high value low mass items like streams of 1s and 0s.

>>14811166
The people who can afford to travel to Mars to escape laws on Earth can all affort to avoid laws on Earth. Mining on Mars will never be economically competitive against mining on Earth.

>>14811161
Elon said they try to figure out how to send you not why they can’t send you.

>>14811173
come on anon they're not letting people who are paralyzed from the neck down go that's just marketing speak

>>14811168
>I was always willing to be reasonable until I had to be unreasonable. Sometimes reasonable men must do unreasonable things.

>>14811177
Why not? If they can pay and if they can generate enough wealth to sustain themselves there.
Imagine if John Carmack or some rich investor was paralyzed from the neck down and wanted to go to Mars.
They would make a lot of money and help sustain the colony.

Worst case scenario the retard has to come back or dies.

>>14810883
The plan is to synthesize methane out of CO2 and water ice.

>>14810731

>>14811075
>People here have some absurd dream of millions of educated middle class white Americans being willing to give up their cushy lifestyle and take their families to an inhospitable hellhole.
Do you think Conestoga wagons were free?

>>14811190
You don't need millions, you need thousands. Once thousands get to mars, natural selection will slowly favor the brave adventurers.

>>14811172
>The people who can afford to travel to Mars to escape laws on Earth can all affort to avoid laws on Earth
Well it would have to assume fairly cheap travel in a hyperfuturistic setting, targeting the 1% rather than ultra-billionaires. If you could sell a $1 million ticket for a trip to Mars there would be at least some buyers. Travel costs could be way more than that per person and the colony/enterprise would turn a profit from gambling.
>Mining on Mars will never be economically competitive against mining on Earth.
True, but it would still be necessary for any self sustaining colony.

Also depending on international recognition it could end up being a perfect tax haven.

Now what's the next step of your master plan?

durr durrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

nasa is transphobic?

>>14811217
based?

>>14811029
>inevitably less safe
If you don't launch, you don't fail.
Then again, you're not launching.

>>14811205
I don't get it.

>>14811205
Uhh, you don't get to bring friends

>>14811205
dr zubrin, i'm nasa

>>14810588
Has that booster flown and landed yet?

Whats the date for the next starship test flight?

>>14811232
Yep, six times.

>>14811232
2 weeks

>>14811227
>Don't worry, no charge for them.
> And, why would I want them?
>They were trying to grab ya prize. They work for the Technoking, the Musked Man.

my attempt at checking the economics of mars colonization: say you divide the planet into ~100 square kilometer tracts of land and say that the first person to build a house and live on the land for 5 years owns it. land speculators, knowing that this could be valuable real estate in the far future, raise money to send colonists over and develop the land in exchange for the rights to it.

what would it take for this to be viable? the value of land is the sum of the present values of all future rents. let's say the total cost of homesteading mars for 5 years is $5 million (almost certainly too low). if you assume a real interest rate of 1% on earth, and total land revenues which grow linearly over 500 years, then the tract of land needs to be generating a profit by the year 2522 according to the following equation
[math]$5000000 = \sum_{i=1}^{500} x * .99^{i} * \frac{i}{500} [/math]
solving for x gives $262889. this comes out to $10.63 per acre, which is higher than most farm land in the US. there would probably be a few patches of the surface where mining would exceed this, and if a city ended up being on a tract then obviously that'd more than pay for it, but overall i'm not seeing it.

>>14811198
A trip to mars will cost 200k dollar everything included.

>>14811250
this is the most economically illiterate thing i've evert seen

>>14811250
The whole "build a house on it and it's yours" idea was built on the idea of farming that land attached to the house. You're not going to see a legion of Ma and Pa transforming operations. Homesteaders would grow crops. Just what are these various homesteads doing that's going to be economically interesting?

>>14811250
100 acres for each person on mars.

I think everything is gonna be ok :)

why is this so confusing to people?
the costs associated to setting up the colony are never getting paid back. they're not an investment, they're a straight up expenditure.
it's not complicated.

>>14811266
Freedom is never free. Expenditure for Mars is an investment into the future. Investment into freedom.

>>14811253
That's extremely low. In any case the price of a ticket isn't important and would only need to be high enough so that most buyers are very wealthy. Then after the uniquely Mars-y stuff you end up with a few hundred or thousand high rollers with nothing to do but enjoy complementary drinks and play blackjack until the next return window.

>>14811266
it will be paid back in quadrillions

>>14811264
Wrong.

>>14811261
>Just what are these various homesteads doing that's going to be economically interesting?
i doubt there could be anything. mars has ~144 million square kilometers of land so having people homestead 100 square kilometer tracts is just a way to have a million people living there for a thought experiment.

>>14811274
what are you afraid of

>>14811261
>Just what are these various homesteads doing that's going to be economically interesting?
For the first time in the past 500 years there is a new continent sized empty land mass available for settlement. Making it ready for non-pioneers has value in and of itself. Aside from lebensraum and harvesting raw materials on the surface, Phobos, and Deimos, Mars also serves as a much more efficient jumping off point for exploiting the main asteroid belt.

How long until going to the moon and hanging out for a few days is accessible as going on a cruise ship?

>>14811283
hopefully never. poor people should stay on earth

>>14811205
>wearing a "norminal" t-shirt
SpaceXMasterracebros...

>>14811292
Tim Dodd is an autist but he's an incredibly based autist

>>14811282
>Making it ready for non-pioneers has value in and of itself.
Why am I suddenly feeling like a Nigerian prince is trying to resell me an NFT?

>lebensraum
The Sahara has lebensraum, but no one will buy it unless there something of value there

>harvesting raw materials
Which you could only viably sell to other customers on Mars, who have no reason to be there because there nothing of value on their land either.

>Phobos and Deimos
Might have an argument for some kind of stopover or refueling station, but you still run into the problem of shipping costs rendering extraterrestrial raw materials noncompetitive against terrestrial ones. Asteroids are also mobile. There's no reason to mine them way out in the belt when you could park a thruster on one and nudge it back to cislunar space and mine it there.

>>14811179
t. Musk on his way to FAA headquarters ..in minecraft :)

>>14811232
>Whats the date for the next starship test flight?
who knows

>>14811316
Why don't they just tell the FAA to go fuck themselves and launch from Cape Canaveral?

>The Separatists wanted to set up a colony where they would be free to practice their religion (Libertarian spacers), but there weren't enough of them to pay for the voyage. So a group of about 70 investors, led by Englishman Thomas Weston (Steve Jurvetson, Elon Musk, Peter Thiel), agreed to help finance the new colony. The investors recruited other colonists, including members of the Church of England (Mormons).
>In the early summer of 1620, the investors helped the Separatists hire a small ship, the Speedwell (SLS-Orion), to sail to America (Mars). Other passengers would sail on a bigger ship, the Mayflower (Starship).
>On Aug. 5, Speedwell and Mayflower set sail together from Southampton, England, for the two-month (6-month) journey. But Speedwell began leaking (see I told you, SLS), and they had to turn back twice (scrubbed twice). Finally, the group decided to leave Speedwell in England (SLS retired). That would mean leaving some passengers behind, too. On Sept. 6, Mayflower set sail with 102 passengers - 20 or 30 more than planned. The ship carried food and drink for the journey as well as stores for the winter, livestock, and tools needed to start the new colony.
>The weather was good for the first week of the trip. But soon the ship encountered autumn gales (Solar storm). Passengers had to stay below decks (solar storm shelter).
>The Mayflower was a cargo ship (just like Starship). There were no passenger ships then (no big window). The ship's passengers had to make themselves comfortable in the large open underdeck called the orlop, designed to carry freight. Most brought mattresses stuffed with hay and slept on the floor. Some families paid to have short partitions built to separate their family from others, but many strangers slept side by side. Some sailors had special beds that were like long narrow cupboards built into the wall. These beds had a door that could be shut from the inside, so they could take a quiet nap.

>>14811328
>But Speedwell began leaking (see I told you, SLS)
kek

>>14811316
>FAA approval is the schedule driver
And it still is. Starship still needs a launch license...

>>14811328
You're trying to say is there will be a Martian Revolutionary War?
Sounds dope.

>>14811328
Mormons need to stay on Earth. They get memed a lot but they're kooky as fuck and corrupted. They're actually a desert cult.

>>14811337
>desert cult
ok vladimir harkonnen

>>14811337

https://twitter.com/NASAWatch/status/1565097111795949570
>FYI @SenBillNelson was just on @CNN saying that things are Go for a #Artemis launch but weather may be bad. "This is a test flight and we do not fly until it is safe and it is ready." Now he deflects from the whole engine thing to just how hot the heat shield gets etc. etc.

>>14811335
I could see an independence movement in a few hundred years.
It's strikingly similar to the birth of America, now that I think about it.

>>14811337
You going to argue the Puritans and Separatists weren't kooky as fuck? Mormons have more soul and family values than any other sect in America. Their culture literally worships the frontier and freedom. They will be dominant on the desert planet

>>14811345
i dont watch the news, but that woman looks wretched and disgusted. that aweful man on the right looks like the fucking crypt-keeper. who watches this garbage?

>"The Earthers SUCK, and they STINK!" said George, the man with the biggest neck on Mars. One day Mars was going to be the strongest planet in the solar system and he was going to be the strongest president in the solar system.
>"But we wuz Earthers," said a man from the crowd, and George shot him with a plasma rifle.
>"Any other questions?" said George, the man with the largest lat spread on Mars. Dude's back was shaped like a Dorito.
>"What's your routine?" asked a fellow Martian.
>"Kill Earthers 6x a week then neck day" replied George, using a bayonet to scoop protein powder into his mouth.

>>14811354
George is a character drop-in for me

Earth bad
Mars good

>>14811348
The Puritans weren't really kooky, they were just very dedicated.
The Mormons just make shit up. Also they're polygamists. They're predestined to doom should they ever be in power. They're basically the Islam of Christianity but also schizophrenic.

>>14811350
old people

>>14811363
>They're basically the Islam of Christianity
so Islam
> but also schizophrenic.
so Islam

STOP EVERYTHING YOU'RE DOING
https://twitter.com/blueorigin/status/1565010999933284353
>We’re continuing to track the weather in West Texas. Our next launch window for #NS23 opens tomorrow at 8:30 AM CDT / 13:30 UTC. Live webcast hosted by @ad_astra2 starts at T-20 minutes on BlueOrigin.com.

>>14811382
3 minute free fall isnt really impressive

>>14811363
>The Puritans weren't really kooky, they were just very dedicated.
The Mormons are extremely dedicated.
>The Mormons just make shit up.
And your point is?
>Also they're polygamists.
Thank God, then they're Elon-approved. Mars needs children. Sadly you're incorrect on this point. Mormon polygamists make up a vanishingly small part of Mormonism today. Even the Mormon church no longer pushes families to churn out children at historical rates, meaning Mormon birthrates are falling as many other American groups, albeit at a slower rate.
>They're basically the Islam of Christianity
Islam is also a fast-growing religion with many wealthy Arabian parties interested in Mars colonization. Mormons and Islamists may not get along culturally, but they have the drive, capital, willpower, and cultural heritage to thrive in a Martian desert wasteland. I would not expect Catholics or Jews to do the same.
>schizophrenic
Inconsequential long-term, possibly helpful short-term.

why does ffa hate starship?

>>14811387
they hate us cuz they anus

>>14811387
According to Lori Garver, some people were saying that "NASA does big rockets" and that Elon should "stay in his lane" with regard to Falcon Heavy. Starship is a much bigger snub to "NASA does big rockets" than Falcon heavy is.

>>14811386
Yeah, you sound like you get all of your knowledge of Mormons through memes.

>>14811388
starship is our best shot at uranus
a postCassini orbiter, anyway

What happens when after a couple of years the novelty of being le first people on Mars wears off and people start to realise they are just living in a tin can in the middle of deadly airless desert?

>>14811350
unironically boomers
anything on the TV is watched exclusively by boomers and the older genX
everyone else has gone internet only

>>14811397
>Starship is a much bigger snub to "NASA does big rockets" than Falcon heavy is.
It's why I love seeing those pictures of NASA reps touring Boca Chica facilities, with displays of concern and awe on their faces

>>14811398
Or maybe growing up around them, working with them, fucking a couple of them. You sound like my Mom, she gets the straight dope on Mormons from Facebook and Netflix

>>14811407
>with displays of concern and awe on their faces
They must be thinking "maybe... maybe it was that easy in rocketry"

>>14811401
the spineless faggots go home and get replaced by colonists

>>14811401
Time to colonize Ceres.

If sinners go to Mars, and Christs returns, He won't be able to kill them as his jurisdiction extends no further than Earth

>>14811401
well consider than about 80% of the first wave of colonists will die, and you wont need to worry about being bored

>>14811424
>the Rapture happens
>all the Earthers get yeeted into a higher dimension
>FTL block disabled by ayys since Earth is no longer a prison planet
>Martians conquer the universe

>>14811424
True, Mars is Musk's territory.

>>14811430
Does that imply that humans are super OP and genocidal and have been quarantined from the rest of the galaxy by aliens?

>>14811437
Yes and that is the most based theory.

>>14811437
Yes. In better times, /tg/ wrote some good stories based on that premise.

>>14811437
It's the great filter paradox fermi, dodnt you hear? kurzlgatz said all about it on youtube.com

>>14811447
>still schizophrenic

>>14811448
belief in extraterrestrials goes against god. speculation is worse

>>14811451
Aliens exist but are literal and metaphorical demons that need to be exterminated.

>>14811451
>belief in extraterrestrials goes against god
So does the Apollo program constitute a disproof of your beliefs or do we actually need men in another solar system to shut you up?

>>14811455
you are more likely the demon
>>14811456
yuo have failed in makeing a point

>>14811462
The rapture is an alien invasion. Aliens will abduct the faithful (those who would resist) and kill them, sending them to heaven. The rest of humanity will be subject to a demonic invasion.

>>14811468
Are you a first-generation star? Because you have a severe lithium deficiency.

>>14811477
You can not refute me.

>>14811480
Go to hell

I have faith that my lord Jesus Christ will not send me to H*ll. For you I can only hope you see the error of your wars.

>>14811488
Why would he send you to Venus, though? They have their headquarters there?

>>14811488
Jesus does not decide to send any one to Heaven or Hell himself, you smooth brained hobgoblin. We are all saved or damned by our own choices, freely made. Jesus, it's like you don't even Christ.

>>14811504
I don't know, why would He send me to Venus? If He did it would be for a good reason. It is unlikely that they have their headquarters there, unless you are indeed one of them as I have suspected for some weeks.

>>14811455
you're basing that off of nothing in the actual bible, which refers ot the stars only in passing a handful of times and seems to make no case for them being anything but pretty decorative lights involved in some capacity in witchcraft that are destined to be destroyed during the end of days by falling ot the earth. THat's it. There's nothing about aliens or them being demons-I'm pretty sure demons are demons. And isn't it easy to test if an alien is a demon all you need is the holy spirit and to go up to the alien and invoke it to dispel any present demon-if that faisl then the alien can't be a demon. So I'm not worried about this it will be very easy to test if aliens are demons by the account of the bible, if that whole paradigm of reality appraisal is accurate.

>>14810863
>Tesla bots are fully actualized android with an autonomous capability for generalized instructions following, generalized locomotion, generalized tool handling, generalized learning, etc.
Big if true

>>14811505
>We are all saved or damned by our own choices, freely made
Yes, which is why I have faith that he would not send me to H*ll. Only a sinner would fear Jesus' wrath.

>>14811524
what kind of christian are you
hint: there is only 1 correct answer

>>14811516
>all you need is the holy spirit and to go up to the alien and invoke it to dispel any present demon
Which is why they will first abduct the true believers, removing humanity's best defense.

>>14811528
I do not subscribe to a particular branch in totality but I suspect you mean to imply that I am Calvinist or have Calvinist beliefs, which is accurate to some degree.

>>14811534
ngmi

The only religion on Mars will be Muskism, and maybe Zubrinism too, to some degree.

>>14811542
>Zubrin musk
imagine the smell

>>14811543
>look up "zubrin body pillow" on google
>zero pertinent results
embarrassing

>>14811534
>I am Calvinist or have Calvinist beliefs, which is accurate to some degree.

>>14811552
>look up elon musk body pillow
>try to delete my search history in incognito mode
honestly considering eye bleach right about now.

>>14811562
damn tihs is kinda sick i'm not even into masc guys but...~uwu~

>NOOOOOOOO YOU CAN'T GO TO MARS EMERALD MINE REFUGEES

it's a shame they never got to meet

>>14811283
can you provide the sauce for that gorgeous picture?

>>14811149
Mars, a brave new world

>>14810588

I hope they get a chance to try using those chopsticks at least once before spacex files for bankruptcy.

>>14811156
>It's because there's no such thing as an economically viable Mars colony by any concrete measure.
Life continuing to sustain itself to exist is economy, all people are talking about is the ways that humans could settle and prosper human life on Mars to continual self sustained conditions, for 100s, 1000s, of years to come, if that phsycislly can theoretically occur; that is life occuring, what is economy other than life succesfully occuring? Maybe also judged if those involved are doing what they want to do, and happy

>>14811586
Someone should write a [insert shitty magazine] article about the phallic masculine imagery of rockets evoked by Nazi Wernher von Braun and his blood monied spiritual successor in neo-fascist cishet-patriarchal space exploitation with that image as the thumbnail.

Talking about mars seems so far off when the Starship has hardly ever flown or landed at all?

There is a history of flights and landing attempts, when was the last one? And what is the date penciled and more importantly penned in (implying a more serious definite sworn answer) for the next flight of starship?

Is the starship that is sent to orbit planned to be left in orbit?
Maybe good test of how the materials hold up and maneuvering in space? Maybe test refueling technique and manuevers

Because it just barely made 1 landing.

You can test low non orbital ascents just to get the landing down pat.
Increase the height each time. To get a feel and understanding.

This can be 2 seperate ships; 1 can launch to orbit to test how it holds up and how internal systems respond and function for years, thrusting, refueling, maybe fly around check things out, if it has video and instruments onboard.this ship not worried about the low rate of landing success, maybe the first starship will be repurposed in 10 years after staying in space all those years.

How close has starship gotten to orbit?
It needs the booster to?

>>14811625
nail on the head
modern people have such bad psuedo-capitalist brainrot it's incredible. The GOAL of colonizing mars is the act of colonizing it-not making money.
We want to create the means for humanity to ascend into the infinite frontier and build whole new civilizations-that hasl iterally infinite value.
We stay here we rot and perish within a few centuries.
The world is a fucking nightmare at this point, poison in the seas, people led around by the nose by social media grifters-it's bullshit on bullshit and it is currently inescapable. Even running into the woods won't free you-the PFAS and microplastics will burrow into your flesh anywhere on earth.

>>14811236
The largest booster flew and landed 6 times? The starship alone landed once (after reaching a certain height)

There should be like 10 starships, 10 more on the way (or 20 and 20, 40, 40,) taking flight and trying to land, different altiudes, and one that is ultra outfitted for s long space starting in orbit mission. Fit with super advanced ai systems, computer data instruments testing, human crew life systems testing, omg this is like the movies for real, an extreme novel experience very far from anything else. Even the futuristic scientific sterile gadget and gizmo sleek minimal aesthetic of the no frills need but with the cutting edge blundry pushing state of the arts confidence in prescision flair of detail style and subtlety.

>>14811642
Without a means of supporting itself the colony will collapse the moment subsidies from Earth stop. The only way to get past that is to find something for the colony to do that can support itself or to keep dumping trillions of dollars into it until it eventually grows large enough to maintain all the industries needed to support itself.

The latter is completely infeasible. The colony would need at a minimum tens of millions of people to maintain all of the industries it would need just to stay alive. There is no nation or group on Earth that could supply the funding needed to maintain a population that size.

>that has literally infinite value
"ascend into the infinite frontier" is poetry that will not buy you a single lunchable, let alone support an off-world colony.

it would be impossible to include any parachute for starship renetry?

How high did the booster get, to the height it will get starship to orbit? Will boosters go to orbit and beyond?

And eventualy renter?

>>14811672
the problem with parachutes is that they are not accurate. SpaceX wants the booster/ship to land exactly where they want it to
also try designing a parachute to safely land a 5000+ ton object

>>14811401
Yeah that is pretty intersting point.

I think one way to view the mars stuff is one of the most challenging possible science experiments/adventures/games/puzzles

I think robotics and Ais and drones that can lift things, and rovers, should do things on Mars with space suits and detectors

>>14811667
>Without a means of supporting itself the colony will collapse the moment subsidies from Earth stop.
Which is why it's so important to build things that build things and to get a proper industrial base roaring. Mining, smelting, forging, shaping, 3d printing, annealing, synthesizing-all of it slowly rolling out and with each new milestone of production and integration the whole thing less and less needing them other planet. We've done this before.
The goal is to decrease what is needed from earth year by year, until at some point even silicon chips and advanced computers are emerging from the late-stage manufactorums of mars. And then mars is its own place, and it has an economy that serves its own peope just like out economy on earth serves us. and all the money spent? written off.
the goal, for the last time, is the self-sustaining flame of industry upon mars, not on any material return to earth. a small portion of the earth's lifeforce is sacrificed and life takes to mars like flame on tinder.
This isn't complicated.

>>14811419
Any mission that depends on colonizing and populating and space territory would need like 7 impregnable women for every man, and the population would multiply very quickly.

>>14811672
>it would be impossible to include any parachute for starship renetry?
Parachutes are not amazing for landing really really big things. It's really hard to pack something so large, and to get it to deploy reliably. This is why Falcon and soon starship use propulsive landing. You're already carrying the engines with you, just use them again so you don't have to include another system. The best part is no part.

>>14811689
I can't help but assume that parachutes would be lighter than the fuel needed to land; I would be interested to see the actual figures.

>>14811689
It's just sad to see the failures, the failures look very harsh, just wondering how many possible solutions for great regular assured success there is.

I'm unsure the bounds of feasible creativity required to think of the smoothest means if space launch and land

>>14811639
>Talking about mars seems so far off when the Starship has hardly ever flown or landed at all?
>There is a history of flights and landing attempts, when was the last one? And what is the date penciled and more importantly penned in (implying a more serious definite sworn answer) for the next flight of starship?
Any answer?

>>14811424
the simple solution is just crash mars into the earth

Why can't you use a decent size magnet in a satellite to push/pull on the earth's magnetic field to raise/lower orbits and change orbital velocity?

>>14811703
You can, it's called a magnetic tether

>>14811639
>Is the starship that is sent to orbit planned to be left in orbit?
>Maybe good test of how the materials hold up and maneuvering in space? Maybe test refueling technique and manuevers
Anyone?


>1 can launch to orbit to test how it holds up and how internal systems respond and function for years, thrusting, refueling, maybe fly around check things out, if it has video and instruments onboard.this ship not worried about the low rate of landing success, maybe the first starship will be repurposed in 10 years after staying in space all those years.
>How close has starship gotten to orbit?
>It needs the booster to?

Anyone?

>>14811703
Somehow a worse take than the Calvanist claiming that aliens are demons.

>>14811652
>The largest booster flew and landed 6 times? The starship alone landed once (after reaching a certain height)
>There should be like 10 starships, 10 more on the way (or 20 and 20, 40, 40,) taking flight and trying to land, different altiudes, and one that is ultra outfitted for s long space starting in orbit mission. Fit with super advanced ai systems, computer data instruments testing, human crew life systems testing, omg this is like the movies for real, an extreme novel experience very far from anything else. Even the futuristic scientific sterile gadget and gizmo sleek minimal aesthetic of the no frills need but with the cutting edge blundry pushing state of the arts confidence in prescision flair of detail style and subtlety.
Anyone?

>>14811672
>How high did the booster get, to the height it will get starship to orbit? Will boosters go to orbit and beyond?
>And eventualy renter?
Anyone?

>>14811703
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=electrodynamic+tether

The sound raptors make when they shut down sounds the pinball game on XP when you land the ball in that launch thing just behind the right bumper

>>14811652
>Even the futuristic scientific sterile gadget and gizmo sleek minimal aesthetic of the no frills need but with the cutting edge boundry pushing state of the arts confidence in prescision flair of detail style and subtlety.

The attempts, the paths and goals and desires, of humans in space, is one of the most advanced and futuristic sciences and arts; as opera and film is a combining of all the arts and fine arts, space exploration, living and activities, uses a culmination of all the best of the current scientific abilites,

>>14811729
right there. strangely this game never comes up as an /sfg/ approved title

>>14811729
Musk made sure to have the developers add it to the game. Having traveled too far back in time, he needed a way to remember what the correct engine design sounded like.

>>14811607
https://ryannagata.com/
It's a guy who makes space suits for movies

>>14811678
>We've done this before
All of those things were able to support themselves via selling the products of their own work. You can't do that on Mars because shipping mars-made goods back to Earth makes them unprofitably expensive. What you are proposing is supporting an entire civilization on another planet via welfare until it reaches some hypothetical self-sufficiency theshold. That is simply not possible.

>>14811743
>You can't do that on Mars because shipping mars-made goods back to Earth makes them unprofitably expensive.

Eh not necessarily, there is definitely a huge ass market for Martian stone for richfags building products (paving stones, tiles, gravel, countertops, decorative sand, whatever), Martian aquifer water (guaranteed microplastic and PFAS free), along with just shipping dirt and sand back to be bottled and sold as collector's items. Sure the market isn't infinite but you could definitely extract tens of billions if not more before you saturate the market, if you ever do.

>>14811749
>Martian aquifer water (guaranteed microplastic and PFAS free)
Bottled Martian water is a funny fucking concept but you're probably right

>>14810967
Asteroid mining could definitely be viable. Global annual production is 200,000 kg and current price is about $30,000/kg, so that would be worth $6 billion. If a robot mining rig can be launched on (one or a few) starship launches, it flies to the belt and lands on a rich asteroid. Then the starship crushes and vaporizes rock and propels it with a nuclear reactor-powered mass driver. The asteroid is gradually pushed to earth, where it’s crashed into a shallow lake, probably in some desolate snit hole like Novaya Zenla (where trae bomba was tested) or BLM land in southeast Oregon or the Australian outback etc. once the rock lands, a road or railroad is built to it. And it’s crushed and sent for refining. The richness of the ore could be vastly higher than terrestrial ores.

>>14811749
You are wildly overestimating how profitable those markets are. The number of people who will want mars rock for their Tuscan mansion is minuscule. You'd make a lot of money on the personal scale but a pittance on the scale of a whole colonial economy. The people who buy into the micoplastics meme will never have the finances to import all of their Aquafina from another planet, and the market would only last until someone invented a better water filter, which they would if people were that tilted over MP. "Colector's Sand" would carry some marginal value until the point where you start shipping hundreds of tons back to Earth to pay your bills. A shiny Charizard only has value if very few people have them. If the quantity is small enough to be valuable, it's also small enough for you to not make much money off of it. None of these ideas will work. None of them are worth a billion dollars, let alone tens of billions.

>>14811758
>deliberately crashing an asteroid into Earth
There are not enough nopes in the world

>>14811758
Why the fuck would we crash it here and mine it on land instead of just sending a purpose-built craft to mine it in orbit or something?

>>14811763
It's not a completely unworkable idea. Dropping a whole asteroid is problematic, but you don't need to send the whole asteroid to the surface. You could do all the refining in space and then wrap a ton of refined material in a blanket of slag. That gives you a much more manageable sized object that you could drop into Lake Nowhere, Siberia without producing significant environmental consequences.

Salvatore Bruno

>>14811762
>You are wildly overestimating how profitable those markets are.

Yeah, they only obliterate whole mountainsides in Italy for one singular marble product. Probably not that profitable.

>>14811763
It's a pretty pragmatic idea. You don't have to waste resources getting equipment out of the Earth's gravity well into orbit. You might lose some asteroid mass by burning up but that seems worth it.

>>14811762
Absolute /biz/let detected. The amount of money that richfags piss away on inane shit is ABSURD. Gucci ALONE has a nearly TWENTY BILLION DOLLAR market cap. Anyone with half a business brain cell could sell literally anything from Mars at a disgusting premium, even after transport costs.

>>14810675

>>14811801
the idea of becoming "self-sufficient" by selling sand to rich earthers in return for survival is the gravity rotting your brain

>>14811801
This is the exact kinda of argument that insisted you could make huge profits off NFTs. Those markets are all small, easily saturated, and don't come anywhere close to the scale needed to support a mars colony.

>>14811763
>>14811758
>>14811771
>>14811777
You’d do the mining on earth because all the heavy/specialized/expensive people, machines, and facilities already exist here. Also, you don't need to figure out some potentially hard things like zero g smelting. Also some mining processes involve astronomical amounts of chemicals, water, and energy which would be way easier to get on earth.

You could also cut the parts up into manageable bits and re-enter smaller pieces one at a time so you don’t get as big of a reentry boom/lithobraking. You could potentially put some spray-on thermal shielding on the rocks if you don't want as much of them to burn up.

>>14811818
Yeah I guess exploiting rich retards who buy dumb shit for absurd prices is not a good business model huh dumb fuck? Certainly there aren't literally hundreds of billions of dollars in that market LOL. Maybe you could provide funding to bootstrap your colony with hopes and dreams, maybe a GoFundMe or two, rather than using an easily exploitable market?

>>14811820
>Unironically comparing selling a link to a jpg to a tangible and inherently valuable physical good from a whole other planet

Imbecile

>>14811820
By the way, the creators of big NFT projects who had royalties made fucking BANK. Hell, everyone involved in that sphere made big bucks then except for the sucker caught holding the bag. So even as a comparison it's pretty shit.

>>14810858
So "only a prototype" will be capable of replacing Mexican illegals? Based MAGA musk, dont even need to build a wall no more.

>>14811837
yeah it's a great business model until people stop giving a shit about mars pebbles
building an entire planet's economy off selling fickle luxury products to a fickle customer base is an obvious recipe for disaster.
more realistically, I think information would be a better export, quaternary sector products and services generally

>>14811850
>yeah it's a great business model until people stop giving a shit about mars pebbles

Several thousand years later people still give a shit and pay outrageous prices for Italian marble. You're not basing the entire economy off it regardless if you are capable of reading dumb fuck, you just need enough to bootstrap your colony. Once you have enough shit on Mars you can just ignore earth.

>>14811850
Apparently pet rocks are an inexhaustible fad because they come from space.

>>14811821
I'm not sure how good an idea it would be to drop unprocessed rocks onto Earth. Something that's made out of partly refined materials will have reasonably well-defined characteristics and could be trusted not to break up or drift off course because the outer layer ablated unevenly. The insurance costs would probably make some zero g work worth the headache.

>>14811852
>>14811856
survivorship bias. the overwhelming majority of luxury products hold interest for a far shorter time.
I just think there are better ways to exploit mars-ness to bootstrap the colony. Selling martian movies, martian design, martian talent.
Anything that can foster growth in martian industries that can be useful to mars longer term.

>>14811856
no insurance needed if you work with a totalitarian government that doesn't care if it drops rockets on villages (probably also doesn't care if it drops rocks on villages). Add the Gobi Desert in China to the list of potential dropsites!

>>14811850
>I think information would be a better export, quaternary sector products and services generally

>>14811864
>Selling martian movies, martian design, martian talent

I rather think Mars will be too busy for at least a century trying to you know, simply survive and build shit on a near airless poisonous rock to be having armies of useless moutha to feed code monkeys selling Amazon integrated webapps to E*ethers and pumping out capeshit Hollywood movies. Are you guys delusional or what Jesus Christ.

14811870
>century
why do children not understand how long time really is
is it because of all their movies and comic books overusing the term to the point where they don't realize how fucking long it is

>>14811870
not useless when you tax 'em
gotta pay the colony builders somehow

>>14811864
You're writing off luxury items as if there isnt a gigantic market for luxury items that are either practically useless, or of equal quality to cheaper products. Jewelry made from Martian matter will be an industry probably for centuries on Earth when made possible.

>>14811873
Very rich coming from the person suggestion that mars export capeshit movies to fund itself when in reality there is going to be nothing except bare survival, building for the next synod and selling whatever shit can be easily loaded up and sent back on returning rockets (see water material such as rocks, gravel, sand, water) until there are multiple millions of people there

>everyone who I don't like is the same person
no

>>14811706
It has to be electro magnetic? How does it work?
What is meant by Earth's magnetic field? It's when all the atoms near by their electrons are biaised in a direction?

>>14811873
>is it because of all their movies and comic books overusing the term to the point where they don't realize how fucking long it is

It's been 0.5 centuries since we sent a man to the moon and since then, uh, hmmmm, how many factories, how much industry and how many tens of millions of people have we moved off planet? Oh, basically none? Interesting.

>>14811877
I agree that they'll probably do the job but it's more unsure than I'd like. Plus if it wanes all that mars is left with is more robust launch infrastructure which unironically isn't that useful for martian self-sufficiency

>>14811885
that wasn't me but I think there will probably be a place for white collar work sooner than you'd think, think of them like money machines that run on food water and oxygen

>>14811890
>When there are no investions, nothing happens
real shocker I know

Compare computers now to computers 50 years ago

>>14811743
>What you are proposing is supporting an entire civilization on another planet via welfare
Isn't the whole colonize Mars thing being led by Elon, King Emperor of Mars? Doesn't have have like $600 billion?

>>14811891
You can't eat money, the people who need the food and oxygen will consume nearly all of the civilisations resources resources simply to sustain that food production and building of new facilities for the next wave of people.

>>14811894
>Extrapolating the 0.1 century SpaceX innovation line out to an entire century

LOL and you accuse other people of having no understanding of time.

>>14811866
I'd still have concerns about throwing inaccuracy, and I wouldn't want to drop it on land if I had any other choice. A splashdown kicks up way less particulate debris and lets you reuse the same drop zone. It'd probably be e lot easier to collect chunks of rock from a lake bottom instead of digging them out of whatever geology they'd embed themselves in. You'd want a lake that's deep enough to slow the rock down without hitting the floor, but not so deep that conventional scuba gear can't handle working at the bottom. That'll leave you with lakes that are fairly small as far as non-destructive orbital bombardment goes. You're going to want rocks you can trust to fly straight.

Also, I'd prefer not to work with some totalitarian hellstate that shouldn't be given leverage over the asteroid metals market.

>>14811895
And that's why I have doubts about his Mars colony plans. I don't doubt that he can get the colony started, I just can't see how he can keep it running.

>>14811897
If you have money on earth you can turn it into imports for the colony, friend
During the early phases that's what's going to drive the growth of the colony

>>14811900
And exactly how many people in the early phases of the colony do you expect will there be enough excess resources for them to sit at a computer all day? Answer: fuck all. And why do they they need to be sitting at a computer on Mars to export this information? Answer: they don't. Good luck competing with the billions and billions of people on earth capable of sitting at a computer.

>>14811909
there are rocks on earth too, it's not about selling the product, it's about selling the origin
I can't imagine any situation where no life support budget is allocated to martian exports excepting cases of spectacular mismanagement.

>>14811895
What's the law and governing body gonna be like on Mars? When 5 different mining companies land, and race toward plots.

How is perfect peace kept on Mars, there is such a lesser margin for error and fuckery, that's a great intersting part of the idea, it is very eatablishing of a ironically proverbial 'atmosphere'

>>14811919
>It's about selling the origin

Correct, Martian rocks carry a big fucking name tag if you have a marketing team with half a brain. Would you allocate life support to people going out and collecting said rocks (much of which can likely be collected from waste/tailings of the colony building at basically zero cost) or on desk jockeys who could do literally the exact same job from MarsCo offices on earth without sending them all the way to mars and spending life support budget on them so that they can.... Sit at a computer?...

>>14811919
This vvvvv person below is asking why not have robots do it controlled from earth, all automated mining mission.


>>14811924

>>14811922
>What's the law and governing body gonna be like on Mars? When 5 different mining companies land, and race toward plots.
>How is perfect peace kept on Mars, there is such a lesser margin for error and fuckery, that's a great intersting part of the idea, it is very eatablishing of a ironically proverbial 'atmosphere'
How is land ownership rights established, officialated?

>>14811756
Comet water, or for the plebs, icy asteroid water.

>>14811924
But shipping rocks back is going to need fucktons of resources and energy, it's hardly zero cost.

Why the focus on an interplanetary economy anyways?
What's wrong with just concentrating on building more infracstructure?
It's not like the early colonies in America earned their living by selling rocks to Europeans

>>14811932
>How is land ownership rights established, officialated?

As much as no one here wants to hear it. This will all be decided by congress creatures as long as the US maintains military superiority and Martian missions are launched from its soil.

>>14811924
OK I think you've convinced me. The luxury market still worries me but my idea probably isn't worth the extra costs involved. Driving initial growth with a fourth sector economy is a bit ridiculous anyhow

>>14811932
Depends how civil of a society the Martians want.

>>14811938
How do you presume the US is going to maintain order of another planet? The same way England controlled its colonies in the 1700s? Didnt work put too well for them.

>>14811937
People will make money in any way they can. If they can drastically upcharge red rocks to vapid millionaires on earth they will.

>>14811856
>The insurance costs
Imagine if it breaks up in the atmosphere and shatters every window 50 miles away. And that's not even considering missing the target.

>>14811937
How are the early Marians going to pay their electric and heating and water and atmosphere and energy biills?
O, I forgot about solar.
Well it's not like they can grow food, so they will depend on imports so they need some net value to product to be able to pay earthlings for food.

Wonder what the UberSpace industry will be back, space trucking, freighting, space trains, space shipping container ships

>>14811937
The rockets are going to be going back regardless of whether you send anything on them or not because they are too much of an investment to sit there. Either you add extra fuel to take payload to sell at the end of take the entire L and make no money at all.

>>14811942
>How do you presume the US is going to maintain order of another planet?

Well let's see, either the Martians play ball with setting up their new Martian federal reserve bank or the US stops all launches and shipments to Mars. Hopefully they have enough food, energy, people and materials to feed themselves indefinitely.

>>14811946
actually, would fuel itself be worth shipping back to LEO? it'd be much more efficient than flying it up from earth, though higher production costs would drive costs up

>>14811946
And who's to say some other countries wont ally with the Martians in a situation like that? The US made many allies just by the nature of being at war with England. Things aren't just a linear set of events. The question is will other countries be able to set up their own infrastructure of Martian transportation, which I imagine depends on if SpaceX will be allowed to sell Starship to other countries, or if someone steals the tech.

>>14811942
>Depends how civil of a society the Martians want
There's no room for brutishness, it will be trillions of dollars of equipment of the smartest and skilled living people of earth from the most challenging and interesting and cutting edge fields of science, dedicate their essence to making the most improbable thing we know, the possibility of human life on Mars. The immense difficulty of making it habitable, the fearful possible all too easyness of maliciously making something go wrong

>>14811951
I can't imagine any way that'd be profitable considering that you have to make the fuel on Mars, while it basically comes out of the ground on Earth

>>14811954
That all holds up until people get hungry, and a looming threat of losing electricity/heating/oxygen/etc. comes up. Less resources go around better with less people.

>>14811952
Starship will never ever be sold, leased or have any of its technology allowed outside of US control, it's all part of ITAR. Spies are of course a possibility, but unless they have the launch facility capability to supply mars with all its needs it won't be enough. Not to mention trying to run whatever blockade the US will have going with the space force at the time. And for what benefit? It's not a whole fucking fertile continent ready to go, it's an airless shithole that will have a few million people on it at most.

>>14811971
Well it's a hell of a lot closer to the asteroid belt than we are, but that's not gonna be an industry for a while. But when it is itll be the next gold rush. That's when political tend to get really messy.

Imagine 200, 300, 400, 500 years from now Martian students reading about the history of Humans on Mars

>>14811217
what even is that guy on about, I can't figure it out
sci.space.history is a weird place

>>14811997
This general will be in those books, mark my words

When's the last time starship launched?

What's the highest altitude starship has reached?

When's the date of the next launch?

They only landed it once? They should be practicing every day like any practice, piano, lacrosse, gymnastics, math, science, billiards, huge self landing rocket

>>14812018
If you weren't a giga newfag or crossboard tourist you would know exactly why. Go away

Why did they remove the booster claw grabber?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqAVWvOT-1c
Be sure to tune in in the morning for another GROUNDBREAKING New Shepard mission! GRADATIM FEROCITER!

>>14812015
If we're talking about old-ass BBS archives
https://yarchive.net/space/index.html

>>14812036
no, modern usenet

>>14812025
>If you weren't a giga newfag or crossboard tourist you would know exactly why. Go away
They need a liscence to try to hit orbit with starship?
They also need to gets license each time they try to fly starship 60,000 feet up to practice/more data on landing?

>>14812044
stupid nigger fuck off

>>14811945
>can't grow food on mars!1!
bad bait

>>14812038
People still use usenet?

>>14812057
"people"

>>14811946
shipping in even a fraction of the resources you need from earth is stupid and only applies to very early stage mars colonies. One of the reasons mars is so suitable for colonization is it's suitability for isru, therefore, if the us does have any de facto control over martian colonies, it's not going to last very long,

>>14812062
That control will last until Mars can fab its own computer chips which is at least a century off.

>>14812067
you could do everything you need to survive without computer chips, this is not a good that the us can use to force martians to pay taxes.

>>14812094
>you could do everything you need to survive without computer chips, this is not a good that the us can use to force martians to pay taxes.
Remind me again why the US is so desperate to reshore manufacturing from Taiwan then.

>>14812096
because surviving does not equal competing with your geopolitical rivals, which is something you would be very surprised to see on mars in it's first century of colonization.

>its yet another sfg has no clue about how much of a shithole mars is episode

>>14812141
event the dirt is toxic!!!

>>14812141
People live in metal tubes that float in LEO. At least Mars has a semblance of gravity.

>>14812141
If people can live in such shitholes as Brazil, Mars won't be a problem.