/sci/ - Science & Math

Man, /sci/ must be embarrassed for taking the vaccine.

>>14800744
This was found to be false by multiple factcheckers. UCOD means UNKNOWN CAUSE OF DEATH, it does not mean "died from the vaccine".

>>14800905

>it does not mean "died from the vaccine".

Thanks, reddit.

But that could also be because we don't have enough data to know all the sequilae from taking the vaccine.

Are SADS and UCOD related?

>>14800744
UCOD bros I don't feel so good... I hope Pfizer puts out a cure... an antidote... just in time... for a small fee....

>>14800886
dumb people dont get embarrassed. They just rewrite history in their minds to make themselves right and a victim at the same time. This is how they never learn and why they are dumb to begin with

>>14801007
i'm triple-vaxxed btw

>>14800905
To be fair. At this point people could be droping dead because they are so feed up with the fact chekers and false MSM propaganda that they rather drop dead than keep on reading their bullshit.

>>14800942
>Are SADS and UCOD related?
Same cause. You won't hear what it is though.

>>14800886

>>14801000

>>14800905
Okay so why does it mean it needs to be the vaccine either?

Its time congress acts and banns anti-vax misinformation. Anti-vaxxers are causing mass hate violence, this needs to stop. Make it a crime to blame serious medical conditions on life saving vaccines. Its the only way we can protect each other during Putins war.

>>14805706
No other dramatic medical intervention was performed on humans in the timeframe. Correlation implies causation.

>>14805838
>Correlation implies causation.
I thought that was "does not equate to"

>>14800886
thankfully i never took it (the clotshot)

>>14806299
You thought wrong.

>>14806299
You never took a statistical analysis class in grad school I guess.

>>14800905
>it does not mean "died from the vaccine".

yaaaaas sister.
You pinned it down, and groomed the truth.
Thanks for prebunking it.

The all cause mortality and morbidity increase, is also just PPSD
> Post Pandamic Stress Disorder.

>As with all corporate media stories on topics dealing with UCOD cases, they skim past the mystery of the death, never mention Covid or the vaccines, and proceed to fill the rest of the stories with reactions from friends and a short life story.
They don't talk about the vaccine so it must be the vaccine

Do rightoid schizos really?

>>14800744
>unknown cause
>links to Israel
>excess deaths are pretty much explained by Covid alone
This is no UCOD pandemic, it's still the Covid pandemic.

>>14800744
poltard-tier source, we don't care about fake news.

>>14806726
They don't even consider it as a "topic" of investigation.

> "Some rare events happen"
> thats it
> no investigation on mechanism
> no pathological investigation
> no subclinical investiagtion
> none at all

> "Sudden death increase is just there and will remain a mystery"

> None of the side effects and temporal occurances are investigated

For example things that happen within 1-3 days after the vax:

> Why does a covid vaccine can cause rashes?

> Why does a covid vaccine can cause heart attacks within a day? Is it just the "immunisation" ?

> Why do vaccines can cause neurological and paralysis symptoms? Whats the (rare) mechanism of this occurance?


> Why and how does the vaccine exactly can cause "rare" clots?

> If large clots are really really rare, and only accute clotting is reported, could we maybe have clotting in variouse intensities and we miss subclinical clotting or microclotting?

None of the questions is addressed or answered.
> Side effect happens
> its noted down
> no further investigation
> "it's rare" and a "mystery"
> and then a lot of mysteries happen

>>14806755
What about the excesses in 2020? Are they also caused by the vaccine?

>>14806763
> remdesivir
> midazolam
> opiates
> breathing machines
> overdosing of bunch of shitty medicin

> you got the coof, they force you to take opiates and a sedative
> then you get remdesivir
> then you get breathing problems
> then you get tubed
> then you die

> remdesivir is toxic to liver, and never passed the trieals, because it cause liverdamage in 30% of those who took it
> its a failed drug

> in care homes
> DNR (do not resucitate) Orders
> people sick
> got put on a death path
> midazolam and opiates
> they democided them
> high death rates in care homes

Funeral director talked about this months ago:
https://odysee.com/@JanusKinase:e/john-o-x27-looney-amp-the-terrible-wave-of-death-that-never-came-from-covid-but-via-jab-recipients-freedownloadvideo.net-(2):f

---
First off: Understand what BLACK BOX WARNING is (created by FDA for WARNING OF medicine contraindication.)
i.e. Benzos + Opiates (*especially FENTANYL + other Benzo/Strong Sedative drugs induce DEATH FREQUENTLY*)
https://www.fda.gov/drugs/drug-safety-and-availability/fda-drug-safety-communication-fda-warns-about-serious-risks-and-death-when-combining-opioid-pain-or
>https://www.fda.gov/drugs/drug-safety-and-availability/fda-drug-safety-communication-fda-warns-about-serious-risks-and-death-when-combining-opioid-pain-or
***
>FDA Drug Safety Communication: FDA warns about serious risks AND death when combining opioid pain or cough medicines WITH benzodiazepines; requires its strongest warning
***


>http://www.med.umich.edu/surgery/mcccn/documents/4.11.20-Sedation-analgesia-and-NMB-guidelines-COVID-19-crisis-%20Michigan-Medicine-FINAL.pdf
--"For the above reasons, consumption of sedative and analgesic agents such as Propofol, Midazolam and Fentanyl is high, leading to medication shortages across the United States. "

>>14806763
Sorry. Not liver
>>14806788

Kidney:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7907730/

>Of them, 434 (7.8%) cases were related to kidney disorders, including 327 (5.9%) reported with remdesivir.

>no other drug was suspected in the onset of kidney disorders. Reactions were serious in 301 (92.0%) cases, with a fatal outcome for 15 (4.6%) patients.

>>14806788
>>14806797
It's unarguable that doctors killed a shitload of people who "died of covid" during the early pandemic. The CDC treatment regimen was an execution and hospitals are only now walking some of it back.

>>14806915
>I don't need to prove my claims

>>14806788
>>14806797
There is no limit to schizophrenia

>>14807483
Not to you I don't. My local hospital system quietly rejects CDC treatment guidelines because they observed patient mortality increasing when they were applied. That's enough proof for me.

>>14807483
>I don't need to see reality.
The clinical literature is clear on remdesivir.

>>14807845
DOI or GTFO

>>14807854
Chouchana et. al., "Kidney disorders as serious adverse drug reactions of remdesivir in coronavirus disease 2019: a retrospective case–noncase study," International Society of Nephrology, May 2021.

>>14806733
Pretty much this. We've stopped the fine grain monitoring of Covid cases and deaths. Generally now even thanks to variants which are good at evading the PCR tests it's become a lot harder to confirm Covid cases definitely, so if theres any uncertainty in how they died it's just listed as unknown. The rise in unknown cases correlate with Covid, so it's reasonable to say that generally it's still the virus.

>>14807884
>He thinks autopsies are conducted with PCR tests.
Covid is easy to detect in corpses, including recent recovered infections.

>>14807892
Doesn't matter. We've stopped monitoring practically all Covid cases as of 2022, even testing bodies for the virus.

>>14807892
How?

>>14807916
Yeah right. Suuure. That's why every hospital obsessively tests for covid, so they can pretend it doesn't exist and throw their hands up and say "I guess it was the vax!"

THE COVID VACCINATION IS COMPLETELY SA-CK!

Is this the great vaxx dieoff?

>>14807916
That's not really true, a lot of different covid tests in a variety of strains are still in use. We're not testing at the rate we were, but we're still testing

>>14808589
Obviously.

>>14807597
There is no limit to pride in psycopathy

>>14809224
Why do you think I'm a psychopath?

>>14807892
>Covid is easy to detect in corpses, including recent recovered infections.

please state a source of accuracy of the test.
please state a source which also claims "easy to detect".
please state a source which provides ct-values with accuracy.
please provide the current primers that are used to detect covid.

The premise of "so much covid" only works if the tests are accurate.

And not only the test.
You can just declare a covid death:
> somone got a positive test
> died with anything within the next three months
> you can declare it a covid death

> someone died and knows someone who was positive
> must be a covid death

> come into hospital because of a car crash
> needs to be tested because of infection measurements
> tests positive
> dies because of car crash injusries
> goes in as covid death

What does a "positive" test mean, for a "pandamic" disease, if 95% of positive case are "a-symptomatic" or "present as a mild cold" ?

What about "false positives"?
PCR is not accurate, just because of regular conatmiation.
Primer instability.
Thermal instability.
Ct-value.
You only test genetic fragments.
Primers don't need a 100% match of fragile sequence.
Primer sequences are mostly 24 nucleotides long.
Alleged c-virus genome is 29811 nucleotides long.

How accurate is the test?

>>14809243
>please state a source which provides ct-values with accuracy.
What are you talking about? You can detect the different proteins with antigen tests. That ct value refers to PCR, one of many detection techniques, but PCR can only test for DNA and RNA.

>>14809270
You can also detect goats and pawpaws with covid tests.

>>14809243
> you can declare it a covid death
Please state a source proving your claims that
1. this is sufficient to declare "a covid death"
2. what percentage of deaths attributed to covid this way is falsely attributed

Also, provide proof for
> dies because of car crash injusries
> goes in as covid death
And
> someone died and knows someone who was positive
> must be a covid death

And while you're at it
>What about "false positives"?
What is the false positive rate? Ideally with a source.

>>14809270

provide scientificly tested
accuracy of any of those tests.

>>14809274
Goats have DNA

>>14809282
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polymerase_chain_reaction

>>14809284
Apparently the same genetic code as covid19

>>14809292
Can you show the match on BLAST? Which protein are you talking about? Which covid primer are you talking about?

>>14809281
> Please state a source proving your claims that
https://www.kgw.com/article/news/investigations/questions-over-the-accuracy-of-how-the-state-tracks-covid-deaths/283-0b1b7b6c-695e-4313-92cf-a4cfd7510721
>Are dying with COVID-19 and dying from COVID-19 the same thing? In Oregon, they are
>Fred Creasy was diagnosed with stage 4 colon cancer at the end of June. Doctors gave the 81-year-old just 30 days to live. He died at the end of July while in hospice care at Avamere Rehabilitation Facility in Newport.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/new-uk-wide-methodology-agreed-to-record-covid-19-deaths
>Deaths in people with COVID-19 that occurred within 28 days of testing positive will be published daily
>In England, a new weekly set of figures will also be published, showing the number of deaths that occur within 60 days of a positive test.

They "back" diagnosed a lot for months.
When they got caught they reduce it to "28 days".

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm#Comorbidities
For 6% of the deaths, COVID-19 was the only cause mentioned.

> Also, provide proof for
> dies because of car crash injusries
> goes in as covid death
Here an example:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8whdNLdf88


> What about "false positives"?
> What is the false positive rate? Ideally with a source.

Thats what I asked you to provide.
You made the claim the tests are sufficient and accurate, therefore show me the science.
Otherwise its like:
> "God is real, and you have to prove to me that he does not exist, otherwise I am right".

Show me the science, that is used to tell you and make you so sure of the accuaracy of the Antigene and PCR tests.
Otherwise you are not better than christfags.
Because you just "believe" in the claims of Covid-Test Accuracy.

>>14809286
Thats just the definition of PCR.

Of the technique.

Not the PCR-TEST.

>>14809302
>the PCR-TEST.
Define the PCR-TEST then. Is it not applying the PCR method to detect a certain genetic sequence in a specimen?

>>14809300
>google.co.uk
Nice source, faggot.
>Officials say the publication of daily death figures will be paused while the issue was "resolved"
So since they report numbers again (when was that?), can we consider the issue resolved?

>There have been 40,528 deaths linked to the virus in England.
I knew it, you fucking grifter.

>>14809311
> PCR is the method of amplification
> PCR-test is a the combination of primers and amplification protocols, which can then be interpreted as a positive/negative result result.

> the test protocol makes the Test
> PCR makes the amplification
> Intepretation of the amplification with the primers and cycles makes the result

Show me the accuracy of the PCR-test for sars-cov-2 and its relevant variants.

>>14809300
Ok the rest is similarly pathetic
>https://www.kgw.com/article/news/investigations/questions-over-the-accuracy-of-how-the-state-tracks-covid-deaths/283-0b1b7b6c-695e-4313-92cf-a4cfd7510721
>August 7, 2020
>https://www.gov.uk/government/news/new-uk-wide-methodology-agreed-to-record-covid-19-deaths
>12 August 2020
Are you a time traveller or how come you only provide sources from over 2 years ago?
>https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm#Comorbidities
For 6% of the deaths, COVID-19 was the only cause mentioned.
What other things could be mentioned? Let's look into the table
>respiratory failure
>pneumonia
>respiratory arrest
>adult respiratory distress syndrome
If you count these things as "didn't die of covid", I guess then you're right. But you'd need to be quite a clown to do so.

>Here an example:
>https://www.youtube
No.

>Thats what I asked you to provide.
The test can only turn out positive if there's RNA in the specimen.

>>14809320
>Show me the accuracy of the PCR-test for sars-cov-2 and its relevant variants.
>accuracy
Your vocabulary reveals that you don't belong on /sci/.
But ok, let's play the game. It's actually extremely hard to evaluate the best method we have
>https://www.ctvnews.ca/mobile/health/coronavirus/fact-check-how-accurate-are-pcr-tests-for-the-novel-coronavirus-1.5257357
>a test having a sensitivity level of 100 per cent does not mean that it will catch every case of COVID-19. The 100 per cent is not an absolute value; it's meant to measure a test's sensitivity relative to reverse transcription PCR tests – what Health Canada calls "the gold standard testing method." A sensitivity rate of 100 per cent means only that a test will catch as many cases of COVID-19 as the best tests known to exist

>but what about false positives?
I'm glad that you ask
>Since then, results have become available from a few external quality assessments of COVID-19 tests. These have false-positive rates ranging from under 0.4 to 0.7 percent.

>Our third line of evidence is from real-world uses of COVID-19 PCR tests wherein positive results were checked with additional tests. In most of these, the false-positive rate was between 0.2 and 0.9 percent.
https://icd10monitor.com/false-positives-in-pcr-tests-for-covid-19/

So no. It's pretty much negligible.

>>14800886
Still waiting for that Great Reset m8. Two more weeks amirite?

>>14809338
> Your vocabulary reveals that you don't belong on /sci/.

Didn't post scientific data.
Posts tabloid media fact check.

>>14809328
>Are you a time traveller or how come you only provide sources from over 2 years ago?

Forged and misconstructed data of the past were used to justify the actions.

These actions now dicate a lot of your life.
> If you count these things as "didn't die of covid"
Yes.
Because pneumonia is just a thing that happens with or without positive covid result.

I can literally just let you breathe some chlorine gas and you would get a pneumonia.

> correlation != causation

> The test can only turn out positive if there's RNA in the specimen.
Yes this is true, and you have a lot of RNA in your body.

Please show me how it is a diagnostic proof that the person is sick with covid caused by one and single specific virus.
And really the science.
Not just a press release, or tabloid fact check.
The science on which the claim bases, that the test alone is accuarate enough to use it as a diagnostic tool even though the WHO said its only a indicator, and have to be checked with the clinical findings and only then can it be interpreted as a case (and even then its still a interpretation)

>>14800905
>the cause will stay unknown if you suppress discussion and investigation

>>14809470
>Forged and misconstructed data of the past were used to justify the actions.
So you're saying that no false data was published in the past 2 years?
> pneumonia is just a thing that happens with or without positive covid result.
So weird, how many cases
Arguing in maximally bad faith. Kys.

>>14800744
How many deaths could a UCOD cause if a UCOD could cause death?

>>14800744
>whats causing the ucod pandemic?
Climate change.

why is this /pol/ thread on /sci/?

>>14809616
Because science became politics when people like you started troosting the expert.

>>14809620
>article headlines are science
At this point, it’s not even midwit tier anymore

>>14809643
As I said, you can only blame yourself. Do you troost the experts? Do you think public policy should be science-driven? Do you think the masses need to have "scientific" opinions? Now /pol/ is /sci/.

>>14800744
>whats causing the ucod pandemic?
these

>>14809657
>It's your fault I'm retarded

>>14809718
Injecting science into politics = injecting politics into science. Why do you keep doing it and then complaining? Either keep science out of public policy or accept that /sci/ is /pol/.

>>14809726
>I want my leaders to make completely uniformed decisions
The absolute state of /pol/

>>14809726
Who the fuck are you even arguing with? It's somehow the fault of the sciencebros who just want to live in peace here that you /pol/chuds keep creating threads about politics on /sci/?
>Either keep science out of public policy or accept that /sci/ is /pol/.
Are you threatening us?
>let us run nonsensical policies or I will keep smearing your board with shit?
You can run whatever retarded politics people vote you into office for, but leave us alone, faggot

>>14809736
>It's somehow the fault of the sciencebros
For the most part, since most of them zealously embrace the injection of science into politics.

>>14809733
I want my public servants to act in accordance with my interests and my values, not in accordance with """experts""".

>>14809750
> I want my public servants to act in accordance with my interests and my values
To bad that you live in a democracy and the majority of the population want informed leaders. Adult life must be hard as a spoiled child

>>14809745
So because of the statistical correlation that scientists often prefer evidence-based policies you terrorise some random scientists on a Nepalese cross-stitching board? I mean, I didn't expect much from someone who's so adamant about policies that go against facts and knowledge, but I am still confused why you're here. What do you hope to achieve?

>>14809763
>you live in a democracy
Nobody lives in a democracy.

>the majority of the population wants to make /sci/ into /pol/
I don't recall anyone voting on that, but let's suppose it's true. Why are you complaining? You got what you asked for, cattlehead.

>>14809750
Are you saying that you keep your ideals against better knowledge and that you're proud of that?

>>14809764
>you terrorise some random scientists
You're losing your mind. I didn't start this thread. I'm just explainig to you how your own braindamaged worldview and actions lead to all the things you complain about.

>>14809768
I'm saying that you inject science into politics and then lose your mind over the predictable and inevitable result.

>>14809766
>Why are you complaining?
Because there's an angry little man in between threads about weird rocks, pictures of space and whether or not a ball on a string can rotate at 12,000. Go be angry somewhere else.

>>14809766
> Nobody lives in a democracy.
Kek I would love to hear your explanation for this
> I don't recall anyone voting on that, but let's suppose it's true. Why are you complaining?
This is the reason you don’t have religious nutjobs as leaders anymore in the civilized world.
> You got what you asked for, cattlehead.
Oh I’m not complaining, you’re the one that is absolutely seething. Dabbing on /pol/tards is the only reason I come to this website

>>14809773
>you inject science into politics
The only thing I injected was a load of semen in your mother's vagina.

>>14809774
Why do you keep losing your mind? I merely answered your question about why /pol/ is polluting /sci/.

>>14809776
You're seething but my post stands completely undisputed.

>>14809785
You're polluting /sci/ because something happened and you don't like it, that's what I understood. But is there a way to make you stop polluting /sci/?

>>14809788
>my post stands completely undisputed.
Which post? That nobody lives in a democracy? That's just idiotic nonsense. No one open to reason would say this in the first place, so why dispute this in any other form than insults?

>>14809789
Why do you keep losing your mind? I don't post on /pol/. I was just answering your question.

>>14809792
See >>14809766
How did you become so brainwashed and mentally ill? What's your education? Post proof. I have a strong feeling that you and your buddies don't actually belong here.

>>14809793
>Why do you keep losing your mind?
>>14809796
>1 minute apart
>How did you become so brainwashed and mentally ill?
>I have a strong feeling that you and your buddies don't actually belong here.
Come on, you must be trolling. No one would project this hard.

>>14809803
So what's your education? Post proof.

>>14809805
What's yours? Post proof.

>>14809845
Notice how you deflect repeatedly when asked about your education. You will do so again in your next post. The people continually bumping /pol/ threads are mostly reddit dropouts who consoom pop-soi mags and 5 minute YT videos on science-adjacent topics but lack any higher education; infantile retards who still cling to fedora culture of decades past and make "science" and "rationality" into their identity. You are trash and you are the reason /pol/ keeps spamming this board.

>>14809853
>Notice how you deflect repeatedly when asked about your education. You will do so again in your next post.
Are you a fortune teller? How could you possibly know that I'm not posting a scan of my doctorate diploma on 4channel of all places? What's next? You're telling me that I won't post my social security number?

>>14809868
See >>14809853

>>14809853
>The people continually bumping /pol/ threads are mostly reddit dropouts who consoom pop-soi mags and 5 minute YT videos on science-adjacent topics but lack any higher education
Not that anon, but for what i see most of the time the /pol/ bait threads are always bumped at the same time and not exactly the people you are referring

>>14809958
What did you do when you posted that and why did you feel the irresistible impulse to do it? Please explain. :^)

>>14809978
?
I just posted what i see to be the case of these type of threads

>>14809981
What did you just do once again? Why did you feel an irresistible compulsion to do it? :^)

>>14809984
You are by far the worst troll I've ever seen on this website.

>>14810005
Why do you keep bumping a /pol/ thread and blaming /pol/? >>14809853

>>14810007
If you fail to get the desired response the first five times you say something dumb, the sixth time won't work either. You'll just appear more desperate for attention.

>>14810028
Why do you keep bumping this /pol/ thread? Why can't you stop? See >>14809853 for a probably explanation. You have so little intellect and impulse control that you will bump this thread again, demonstrating my point.

/pol/ /pol/ /pol/ /pol/ reeeeeeeeeeeeee /pol/ /pol/ /pol/

>>14810297
>Kaminsky died on April 23, 2021 of diabetic ketoacidosis at his home in San Francisco.[42][43] He had been frequently hospitalized for the disease in prior years.

>>14810323
So you're saying he died with the vaccine, not from it

>>14810338
I'm quoting wikipedia that he died of diabetic ketoacidosis. Is there a statistical correlation between the vaccine and diabetic ketoacidosis?

>>14810297
/pol/chuds having to make things up despite „overwhelming evidence“ is the funniest thing ever to me

>>14810340
Died of diabetic ketoacidosis shortly after receiving the vaccine, not from the vaccine itself. Got it

>>14810340
> wikipedia
a source so disingenuous that even the site's founder considers it untrustworthy

>>14810581
>Larry Sanger
Look at his Twitter and tell me the man is not clinically insane.

>>14810608