/sci/ - Science & Math

Yes. Look up quantum tunneling. It's useful for making certain kinds of electronics. But it only works on the atomic scale. We can't enlarge it to teleport people or anything.

>>14774030
>Yes
No it doesn't. Shut the fuck up
>>14774009
No

>>14774036
>No
Then solve up Zeno's Paradox you bitchy little troon

>>14774043
Attend a fucking high school retard

>>14774036
>barge into thread
>NO, YOU'RE WRONG
>refuse to elaborate
>leave
Based.

>>14774043
you just take the limit and that gives you the point at which he'll surpass the turtle, which means this doesn't continue for an indefinite amount of time, although there are an indefinite amount of steps.

>>14774044
Why? So that I am thoroughly educated about your troon gender identity? Not relevant to the thread.

>>14774054
>Blah blah I am literally subhuman
Indeed, you are.
Motion is an illusion. Particles teleport. You're a seething retard unable to see the truth.

>>14774043
Zeno's paradox assumes that Achilles reaching the tortoises' starting position creates an entirely new point of reference, in which the process repeats itself, just on a smaller scale.

>>14774092
So? Do you want to be rewarded for noticing the same basic process that all of us did? Particles teleport not matter how you put it. Motion is an illusion.

>>14774117
You asked for a solution to Zeno's paradox, so I gave you one.

Can you explain the process by which particles teleport? I am unfamiliar with such a thing. Thanks!

>>14774123
>You asked for a solution to Zeno's paradox, so I gave you one.
Which is as correct as Mandlbaur's criticism of angular momentum, you colossal, braindead faggot

>Can you explain the process by which particles teleport?
Well, I will have to explain the creation of everything in order for you to understand.

In the beginning, there was nothing. However, 0 = Infinity + (- Infinity), so nothingness led to two opposite infinite forces (I call positive + infinity Leafian and - infinity Itaric)

Now, these forces must have had a defining attribute on which they differed. This would be(you guessed it) motion. So to move, leafian and itaric would teleport one unit at a time in opposite directions, trying nullify each other's effect. This interplay of leafian and itaric led to the creation of all universe.

>>14774156
>braindead faggot
Why is it incorrect?

>This interplay of leafian and itaric led to the creation of all universe.
That's interesting anon, can you prove this?

>>14774178
>Why is it incorrect?
Nigger, no matter how many times you say "frame of reference" it wouldn't change the fact that a particle would've have to 1/2 before 1, 1/4 before 1/2, 1/8 before 1/4 so on and so forth..

>prove
Leafian and Itaric are both perpetually teleporting building blocks of reality that move in a straight line but in opposite directions.
Leafian and Itaric can exist because they're the only somethings that could logically come out of nothingness, and thus make up our world.

Well, leafian and itaric would form an infinitely large 2-Dimensional boundary where both of them would be pushing each other away.

As the intrinsic function of leafian is to move in the direction where itaric comes from, leafian would collide, stop and due to it's inability to perform it's task it would experience pain at the most basic level.

So, parts of leafian away from the boundary would diverge from the nearest leafians that are close to the boundary, so that they can eliminate the sensation of collision and hence elimination sorrow.

Afterwards, things get more complicated and I would need to use to calculus to explain how the big bang came from this. Quarks are further made of leafians and itarics and this "sorrow" and "happiness" of leafians and itarics is the basis behind consciousness.

I would need to write an entire book for this. It's impossible to describe the creation of universe in a 4chan post.

>>14774251
>Leafian
>Itaric
is this /x/ now?

>>14774258
It is a hypothesis, that will be proven correct with empirical evidence.

>>14774281
>It is a hypothesis
it is schizophrenia, take your meds

>>14774258
>is this /x/ now?
You didn't realize that when the op mentioned teleporting across planck lengths?

>>14774051
Not him, but I've started doing that -- and saying nothing more than "wrong" to effort posts -- simply because I started hating this board of cowardly/petulant/over-confident midwits so much it's unreal and no longer will unilaterally disarm myself.

>>14774305
>You didn't realize that when the op mentioned teleporting across planck lengths?
i mean that's a reasonable question for someone (even someone smart, imo) who doesn't have a physics background but has heard of planck length and quantum tunnelling
a better phrasing might be 'is movement continuous or discretized at the planck scale?'

>>14774251
>a particle would've have to 1/2 before 1, 1/4 before 1/2, 1/8 before 1/4 so on and so forth
But you have to be looking at it from a certain frame of reference every time for this to apply. If it is a continuum (real life), Achilles will pass the tortoise in short order, and the paradox will be rendered null.

>>14774281
Yea, and thats sort of what you need for anybody to take you seriously.

>>14774251
Take your meds you fucking retard lmao

>>14774322
Planck units are just units whereupon our mathematical models reach their limit, reality is not divisible into discrete parts such as this, it only ahows our lack of understanding of the universe

>>14774009
Each fraction of distance takes a fraction of time to cross.
As the distance approaches 1/∞ the time required approaches 0.
No teleportation needed since the more you break up space the less time you need to cross each distance interval. The decreasing time needed matches the increasing number of intervals every step of the way.

>>14774009
Yes. Yes they do. Because the Universe is discrete. As ALLAH intended.

>>14774009
I would support OP but he ignored all my support in his last thread. Which was very rude of him, considering how rare it is to actually get any support in any thread at all. So instead I am going to post about the motion of my poo in Planck time. Its soft and squishy.

>>14774366
>>14774291
>>14774305
>seething fags
Ofcourse you can't point out a single inconsistency in my theory. It is the best answer to "why is there something rather than nothing" unlike what you fags say "nothingness just blasted from nowhere bro" "Skydaddy did it"

Seethe.

>>14774322
> is movement continuous or discretized at the planck scale?
continuous. planck scale is simply the smallest it is possible to measure.

>>14774479
Now replace skydaddy with your nonexistent magic infinities and you have the same schizo ramble

>>14774634
>Muh big bang came on its own
Schizo

>>14774009
you never tire of making these shit threads conflating the achilles and the turtle paradox with the arrow paradox, don't you?
absolute keyboard lamprey that you are

>>14774009
>If they tried to move in a normal manner then Zeno's paradox would take place, and motion will not be possible.
Why would the particles need to complete an infinite number of imaginary steps that exist only in your head?

>>14774009
OP is doing GOD's work, fighting back the infinity SODOMITES with the sheer power of HOLY REASON!
Amen.
>>14774656
SODOMITE detected! All SODOMITES will burn in the discrete flames of HELL!
Double Amen.

>>14774667
the youtuber "Apologetics Squared" is(and always will be) garbage

>>14774660
because he loves to conflate the achilles and the turtle paradox with the arrow paradox, and purposefully omit the fact that the he is doing so, its how this brainlet get his rocks off

Cringe

If what youre saying about continuous space was real then you wouldn't even be able to add numbers in the reals because it would be the same argument
>Want to add 1 to 1
>Add half of one to 1
>Add half of half
>Etc
All that Zeno's paradox shows is that limits, differentiation and integration are part of a universal language
Zeno's problem was that he didn't know about maths like we do know. With his knowledge, his argument was as sound as it could be. The fatal flaw in it couldn't have been answered without calculus.
But your problem, OP, is that you're a cringe retard

>>14774708
105 IQ reddit post.

[math]\frac{9}{10}+\frac{9}{10^{2}}+\frac{9}{10^{3}}\cdots=1[/math]

>>14774713
Better than OP's 85 subsaharan Africa IQ thread

>>14774718
Maybe, but not by much. When will pseuds realize their abstractions are not reality?

>>14774718
The slow lane. You should stay in it.

Zeno himself would claim that his paradox had been solved after learning calculus if he were alive

>>14774728
take your meds bitch

>>14774717
[math]\frac{9}{10}+\frac{9}{10^{2}}+\frac{9}{10^{3}}+\cdots=1[/math]
fixed a typo, it takes a long while for the board to let you delete a post

>>14774009
Zenos paradox is solved by calculus.

>>14774009
>If they tried to move in a normal manner then Zeno's paradox would take place, and motion will not be possible.
There is no paradox, just a confusion of an infinite sequence of divisions with infinite time to cross them.

>>14774061
Not an argument, thanks for admitting Zeno's "paradox" is solved.

>>14774851
The paradox is that you have to complete an infinite number of steps to get anywhere.

>>14774861
>The paradox is that you have to complete an infinite number of steps to get anywhere.
How is that a paradox? It takes finite time to complete them.

>>14774865
>How is that a paradox?
Because you can't complete an infinity. It's a contradiction.

>>14774869
You can, since the total time is finite.

>>14774892
You can't complete an infinity. Time doesn't even figure into it.

>>14774894
>You can't complete an infinity.
Because?

>Time doesn't even figure into it.
Of course it does, movement is a change in distance over time.

>>14774899
>Because?
Because the very definition of infinity is that you never get to the end of it. I don't know what to say anymore. It seems like most posters on this board are overt nonhumans.

>>14774650
We don't know how the universe was created

>>14774914
>the very definition of infinity is that you never get to the end of it.
NTA but take a math class you absolute fucking drooling imbecile

>>14774914
>Because the very definition of infinity is that you never get to the end of it.
"Never get to the end" is a description of time. You just said time had nothing to do with it. Try again.

The infinite sequence is simply projected onto a distance that takes finite time to cross. Since a finite distance can be divided infinitely, infinity can be completed. You have no argument.

>>14774934
You can't complete and infinity. This isn't something we're going to discuss here. It's something you're going to accept.

>>14774924
Show me where in math infinity is considered exhaustible, driveling subhuman. I don't know, maybe they do teach it in American public schools.

>>14774946
>exhaustible
Shut the fuck up retard. No one uses such cringe terms while talking about math other than retarded schizos like you. Fuck off and don't reply to me ever again.

>>14774942
Not an argument, thanks for admitting infinity can be completed.

>>14774949
Show me where in math you complete an infinity, subhuman ASL. You will deflect again.

>>14774950
Thanks for admitting that this board is teeming with plainly nonhuman elements like you.

>>14774951
You're the same guy posting in the consciousness thread Lmao. What an absolute fucking schizo.

>>14774955
Why did you feel forced to deflect?

>>14774953
Not an argument. This is your last (You) until you get one. Until then, you admit infinity can be completed.

>>14774951
Everything can be subdivided infinitely, thus by doing anything you are already completing infinites

>>14774971
You shat out incoherent, meaningless tripe that contradicts itself directly. No one needs to prove anything to you. You just removed yourself from a conversation after pissing and shitting all over yourself. Your imaginary reddit debate is happening only in your drone head.

>>14774973
I didn't ask for your mentally ill opinions. I asked you to show me where in math you complete an infinity. Why are you deflecting for the 5th time?

>>14774981
>You shat out incoherent, meaningless tripe that contradicts itself directly
How so?

>No one needs to prove anything to you.
Right, you don't need to prove your claims, you can just abandon them and admit I'm right.

>>14774982
You can't be serious, right?
Even Mandlbaur isn't this stupid.

>>14774009
Instead of making the turtle the focus, make a really far away object the focus and achilles now overtakes the turtle. Basically do that, but instead of really far just make it infinite.

>>14774986
Thanks for admitting directly that I'm right and you're subhuman. :^)

>>14774043
Anyone can outrun a stupid tortoise you stupid moron what sort of paradox is that? what a retarded "theory"

>>14774988
Notice how you are forced to deflect over and over again.

>>14774156
How did they move before the concept of time was even a thing nigger? typical schizoid faggot

>>14774996
Deflect what, I literally explained it to you clearly in my first post and you just started schizo shitflinging.
You can subdivide everything infinitely, there are an infinite amount of moments in a single second yet a second passes by every....second, without anything stopping it

>>14775011
Here's what you said:
>>14774924
>take a math class
What would that math class be about, specifically? Which mathematical concepts justify your psychosis? You will deflect for the 7th time.

>>14775017
That's not me

>>14775025
LOL. Okay. That just makes you even more profoundly psychotic.

>>14774057
What the fuck are you on about
Christ /pol/ was a mistake

>>14775030
Whatever you want to believe, anon, of you can't even understand simple division you truly are a lost cause

>>14774043
>walks past a turtle
>paradox solved

>>14775034
At no point in that chain of replies was I even talking about your psychotic argument at all. You need to take your meds.

>>14775041
Are you straight up retarded or something?
You do realize you're talking to more than one person, right?

>>14775051
Thanks for admitting that you're a subhuman imbecile who lacks basic reading comprehension.

>>14775055
I don't think even black science mam could decipher your schizo rambling, ypu asked a question and I answered it, yet you keep on going with these retarded tangents, you need some help, man.

>>14775065
>i am fully psychotic
I know, there's no need to keep driving that point home. Your IQ is 80 and you're mentally ill. I get the picture.

The more you cut - the smaller they get - the faster they can be crossed.
If you cut a distance into an infinite amount of smaller distances, all of them can be crossed infinitely fast.

>>14775128
>all you have to do is cross an infinite number of infinitely small distances infinitely fast

>>14775133

>>14775158
Public education + midwit IQ = profound mental illness. They've really done you a disservice with your shit-tier eductrination.

>>14775166
No, he's right and you're an idiot.
The smaller the distance the less time it takes to cross.
Infinitely small distances take 0 time to cross.
To the extent you believe in infinite divisibility of space you have to bite the bullet and also accept infinite reductions in interval crossing times.

>>14775172
Psychotic rambling with no connection to math or physics.

>>14775175
No, but good try little buddy.

>>14775181
There is no such thing as an infinitely small distance that takes 0 time to cross physically, nor does the potentially infinite divisibility of space imply any "infinitely small distances", nor does logic permit you to exhaust an infinity, nor does mathematics regard infinite converging sums as something you can evaluate by adding up terms forever.

>>14775193
Ler me help you out:
>>14775172
>To the extent you believe in infinite divisibility of space
^If you don't believe in infininite divisibility of space, then there's no need to deal with infinite reductions in time needed for interval crossing.
You apparently don't believe in infinite divisibility of space. Therefore the correct way to read the post was to conclude there's no need for the rest of the argument since you don't even believe in the premise to begin with.
The answer for your complaint was already baked in with that conditional.

>>14774317
>incorrigibly the explainer, i now explain why i don't explain
good job

>>14775204
See >>14775193
Nothing in your schizoramble is relevant or coherent.

>>14775207
It's perfectly coherent to non-idiots. Not even complicated and all the details are clearly there.

>>14775208
Sorry about your mental illness and reddit+YT education.

>>14775208
>It's perfectly coherent to idiots.
Yes, that's obvious.

>>14775208
How many times should I divide space before I get to your "infinitesimal distances" that take "0 time to cross"?

[eqn] d(t) = \int_{t_0}^t |x'(t)| dt [/eqn]This one simple formula TERRIFIES zeno's paradox schizos who never took a calculus class in high school.

>>14775244
>i dropped out of american public highschool
Okay.

>14775249
Notice how one of the schizos immediately reacted in terror

>>14775217
An infinite number of times, obviously.

>>14775253
Notice how you're a subhuman burger highschool dropout who doesn't understand what limits are.

>>14775257
>An infinite number of times
So you're saying no matter how many times I divide it, it's never an "infinitesimal distance" and it always takes time to cross? Okay. I accept your full and direct concession.

>14775262
Notice how the schizo becomes completely unable to form coherent posts at the sight of a simple calculus formula

>drooling retards trying to interpret Zeno's paradox in terms of calculus
What's wrong with them?

>>14774009
idiotic

>>14775217
>she's a finitist
lol

>>14775416
Take your meds.

>>14775423
>calculus is mental illness and finitism is normal
ohnonono

>>14775429
>arguing with the voices in his head

>>14774043
There's no paradox dumb faggot, you're just a calculus filtered midwit. No matter how many steps you break it down into (even infinite) Achilles catches up to the turtle in finite time

>>14774043
How retarded do you have to be to count to 2 by making your counting unit half the size every time? Just count by 1, you fucking jackass. Try using a goddamn ruler or something. It's not even a real paradox, it's just a stupid word game.

Who says the Planck length is the "smallest length"? I think we just can't know a particles position with anymore accuracy than a Planck length.

>>14775265
>let's pretend finite is infinite
retard

>>14774251
Yeah dude leafian and itaric say you are gay and retarded

What the fuck did you drop that made you this fucking schizo

The more I lurk on /sci/ the more I am becoming convinced that most of these threads are mostly bots arguing with themselves, or a samefag arguing with himself.
I should know. I have had almost entire threads where for want of intelligent and relevant posts I have just argued with myself, even chucking in insults and accusing myself of samefaging just to make it look legit.

>>14777157
Literally how calculus works, dumbass.

>>14777237
no, it just keeps track of the trend of change while approaching it
all the lim-stuff is a song & dance to not ever use infinity itself. And it works. But always you are dealing with real numbers.
You're confusing a car's frame with the paint on it.

>>14777236
its what happens when the board is slow as fuck and most are just lurking, does /po/ get more traffic than here?

>>14777228
>Ad hominem
You're an insecure projecting retard. Must suck to be you.

why would movement entail moving progressively slower? in zenos paradox they move half the remaining distance per unit of time, but in reality we aren't constantly decelerating until we reach our destination

>>14774036
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>>14774054
>>14774092
>>14774995
>>14775035
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>>14775541
There are actual niggers on this board who believe space isn't discrete. I pray every day for global nuclear holocaust.

>>14774009
>planck
Holy shit shut the fuck up.

>>14778767
>the universe is discrete because muh heckin wholesome favorite popsci YouTube channel said the Planck length is the smallest distance
Low IQ

>>14777236
I have a theory that a lot of /sci/ users are high school teachers. Although not a teacher myself I work in an education related field. I did a course where it was said that teachers should read social media typically used by the age groups of their students, just to get an understanding of their slang, buzz words, interests, and what they talk about. The (naive) idea is that teachers can use this to create lessons in context.

Therefore I could understand it if teachers were frequently browsing these pages. But I doubt they keep using it for the reason I mentioned. Most teachers I know get cynical and disillusioned with their career when they realize they only spend a small fraction of their time actually teaching, and of those they teach only a small fraction have the brains to retain what they are taught, and fewer still have the brains to understand anything more complicated than a sandwich.
So I suspect many posters are teachers blowing off steam after spending the day teaching retards. In the classroom they have to remain calm and professional, but here they can troll and shit on the type of undisciplined stupid assholes they have to put up with all day.

In the classroom. "No Johnny, the Earth is not flat and here is why.....". Johnny mouths off and then makes loud snoring noises.
On /sci/. "The Earth isn't flat. You fucking retarded subhuman."

>>14774009
Why do you and everyone assume the Planck units entail discreteness of space? It literally is just a constant associated with our limits of measurements, no? Isn't this assumption equivalent to "If I can't observe it, than it must not exist"?