/sci/ - Science & Math

>>14771649
I'm all for bashing your skull in, yeah.

>>14771649
>Hwut if we do x but without standards?
You sound like an unprofessional (assuming you even have a job) insufferable take the easy route faggot. You should learn some basic humane principles that will guide you through your life right now

>>14771649
How about you just kill yourself dumb marxist?

>>14771652
>>14771966
>>14772173
Guinea pigs. All of you to the concentration camps for scientific advancement.

>>14771649
I know you're trolling, but the future of humanity depends on physically removing people who actually believe what you believe.

>>14771649
What we consider to be "rational" depends on ethics and cultural norms to begin with.

Humanism and an increased rational focus on ethics and culture is exactly what led to scientific revolution and Europe conquering the world. You've got it backwards.

>>14772235
1+1 is 2, its logical, and thus rational. No ethics or cultural involvement.
This axiomatic manner of reasoning can be applied to everything in our lives, and no other civilization went as far as the Greeks to actually get it done.

>>14771649
why mindless cuckfaces cant get the simple principle of our human existence?
it is never about advancement, prosperity, understanding, enlightenment, creation etc...
it always about control it always was

>>14772247
>1+1 is 2, its logical, and thus rational.

>>14772246
>increased rational focus on ethics and culture
Only reserved for Europeans and the white race. Slavery was rampant, an entire civilization was ruined, imperialism, and the humiliation that other races will have to live under for centuries to come.

>>14771649
You’re fundamentally ignoring what it means to be human. Human decision making is in the form of a binary dichotomy between “seeking pleasure” or “avoiding pain.” Until your plan to do away with the framework that has brought humanity this far (the framework of cultural ethics) can supersede our desire to avoid pain, you will not get your wish.

>>14771649
>give up ethical and cultural norms
>now we can do scie-
>immediate famine, civil war, and world war
>complete chaos
>NO LAWS! NO LAWS! NO LA-ACK!

>>14772247
2+2 is 5 tho

>>14772345
>Until your plan to do away with the framework that has brought humanity this far (the framework of cultural ethics) can supersede our desire to avoid pain
I want science to be applied in the areas which culture has dominated since milleniums.
The "desire to avoid pain" will be dealt more efficiently with a rational approach rather than by following the customs made by some ancestor who knew and was capable of far less than we today are.

>>14772360
>Legality and morality are the same thing

>>14772247
>This axiomatic manner of reasoning can be applied to everything in our lives,
Prove it

>>14772384
Well.. hopefully you've the patience.

People mostly want to be happy. For that they need to do certain things, and stay healthy.
Our society has economic problems that deter the latter and socio-cultural issues that deter the former.

People, as individuals, want to be happy, they don't care if something they show biological similarity to is also happy, provided they don't have anything to gain or lose by being indifferent to this person.

Yet, we lie everyday. The cultural solution to these issues is to delude yourself, and thats it. Someone who would favor reasoning and observations would conclude the same thing. I have no responsibility to any of you, provided that there's nothing to gain or lose here. People should let go of selflessness.

Half of the population should be enslaved(a large percentage already is, poverty homelessness) and history has already seen this happen before. The Romans, ancient greek city states were slave based economies. The Roman Empire had 40% of its population as slaves one time.

Social Darwinism would decide who gets to be the master and the slave. If proponents of this line of thinking happen to be of one race, it can be decided racially just like centuries ago.
Slavery would be necessary to end the economic problem. Socio-cultural issues can be ended by giving social importance to debates, rationality to get everyone to support the optimal decision.

>>14772439
I have patience to read even 10 times more text but you have not proven anything. You just ramble about what should be done in some incoherent form. Like you say "slavery should come back". Ok you made a statement but where's the logic in any of that?

>>14771649
>muh comic book tier power fantasy
common feature of soience experts

>>14772452
>but you have not proven anything. You just ramble about what should be done in some incoherent form
It would be more relevant to point out what you find "incoherent" and why instead of telling me how you feel about it.

>>14772460
We have been living under a sci fi storyline since the time our ancestors discovered how to make fire.

>>14772461
You are rambling, ok? But ill focus on one thing you said: Slavery.
Why is slavery somehow good? Argue using logic dont just say "it just is". So far you have not used logic you just like to say you are using logic

>>14772473
>ill focus on one thing
That would just leave things in a gray area and we wouldn't get anywhere. I won't continue this any further.

>Why is slavery somehow good?
Because you don't have to account for their needs as long as they don't die? Every civilization has done slavery, it obviously is good for the people who do it.

>>14772486
>, it obviously is good for the people who do it.
Its not good for the slaves and likely not good for slavers too given how often slaves kill their masters.
You suck at arguing. You are just telling me things you like but with zero argumentation skills. So boring, you are such a dumbass shit for brains

>>14772495
Now this is incoherent speech. Whatever you said won't be in my thoughts once I look away from the screen. At least say things that I would think about, instead of the slurs that point to nowhere.

>>14772516
You are a shit for brains 60 IQ subhuman. I actually hoped you would attempt to use logic because that's always interesting and impossible to refute when the logic is good.
Instead all of your arguments have been "ehhh i think that we should do dis because i mean we just should, i am very smart"

>>14772527
>Wasting your time with the exact thing I told you not to.
Why do you have to be defiant when you're wrong? Couldn't you just accept that even if you're unable to understand it

>>14772535
I gave you a chance to make a logical argument and you shat your pants in panic.
Looks like you just like the concept of logic but you are unable to use it. Best you can do us 2+2=4 but you are unable to say anything more related to society.
If you actually used logic in an argument i would have to agree with it. But you can't because of your mental retardation

>>14772560
>Back with the paragraphs
I have done the explaining. You're the one who is taking time.

>>14772247
>This axiomatic manner of reasoning can be applied to everything in our lives
the "axioms" on which our reasoning, logic and science are based on can not be proven. Proving it would be begging the question.
>1+1=2 is logical and thus rational, no ethics or curtural involvement
it is only logical and rational WITHIN the system of logic you already accepted as true but you can not prove the rules on which it is built without appealing to those same rules.
1+1=2 might be true on paper but when you try to apply the same logic to real life matters you run into a multitude of problems. How do you even decide two things are "the same" and therefore can be counted together? You have to start categorising things and that is influenced a lot by external factors such as culture.
Ethics is there so we dont inflict pain and suffering upon ourselves. Why should we care more about territorial expansion than our own happiness and well-being?

>>14772575
Retard

>>14772581
Have you finished emulating your childhood bullies? Are we getting anything else from you

>>14772576
>Doubting something as basic as addition
Do you believe there's anything that is absolutely proven?

>>14772595
>Do you believe there's anything that is absolutely proven?
anon, you didnt understand what you read

>>14772622
>1+1=2 might be true on paper
>might

>>14772595
You are a gay retard

>>14772625
>1+1=2 might be true on paper
>might
MIGHT be true depending on the system of logic you use.
reading is cool and all but you MIGHT also try thinking about what you just read

The problem is, no ethics = no science. There should be some balance.

>>14772644
>My improper writing should be blamed on your lack of thinking
This is a waste of time. You people are too sensitive about whats being said of you on here.

>>14772576
>1+1=2 might be true on paper but when you try to apply the same logic to real life matters you run into a multitude of problems.
Real numbers are called real because they can be used to simulate the behavior of real life objects without any real problems. Unless you dig really really deep.

>>14772667
You are projecting faggot

>>14772683
That word has lost its strength seeing how often it gets used on here.

>>14772667
im not going to write a 20 page essay explaining every single word I use just for you retard to still not understand.
>>14772670
and natural numbers can usually be photographed near rivers