/sci/ - Science & Math

>>14767595
Prove it, faggot.

>>14767595
i found one up your ass, adjacent to your brain

>>14767600
If abiogenesis can happen in the Solar System then it can happen anywhere.

>>14767595
you don't even bother looking at the ecosystem in your own neighborhood, why do you care so much about seeing novel and unique ones?

>>14767606
Prove it that it did.

>>14767620
In 1953 American chemists Harold C. Urey and Stanley Miller tested the Oparin-Haldane theory and successfully produced organic molecules from some of the inorganic components thought to have been present on prebiotic Earth. In what became known as the Miller-Urey experiment, the two scientists combined warm water with a mixture of four gases—water vapour, methane, ammonia, and molecular hydrogen—and pulsed the “atmosphere” with electrical discharges. The different components were meant to simulate the primitive ocean, the prebiotic atmosphere, and heat (in the form of lightning), respectively. One week later Miller and Urey found that simple organic molecules, including amino acids (the building blocks of proteins), had formed under the simulated conditions of early Earth.

>>14767627
now prove the earth is round

>>14767595
what are these, dogs?

>>14767627
You seem to be losing your mind. Nevermind the dubiousness of your theory. Prove that it happened on other planets.

>>14767595
is that its pussy

>>14767636
The Earth had the conditions needed for life to arise.
The Earth is a terrestrial planet orbiting a yellow dwarf star.
There are around 10 billion yellow dwarves in the Milky Way.
50% of yellow dwarf stars have Earth-sized planets orbiting them.
Therefore the galaxy must be teeming with life.

>>14767693
the Sun is a main sequence star

>>14767595
There is zero evidence of life outside earth. Cope.

>>14767693
>yellow dwarf stars
you have no educational background in this field whatsoever

>>14767693
>Therefore the galaxy must be teeming with life.
That's a complete logical nonsequitur.

>>14767703
Why?

>>14767708
Because your conclusion doesn't follow from your premises.

>>14767693
are the earth sized planets in the stars' goldilox zone? because if so I agree that planet probably also has life

>>14767712
Life can arise spontaneously under the right conditions.
The Earth possesses the right conditions for life to arise.
Earth-like conditions are not a rarity in the Milky Way.
Therefore life should not be a rarity either.

>>14767728
>Therefore life should not be a rarity either.
An absolute logical nonsequitur. I don't know what to tell you. You and your likes don't seem to be fully human or even sentient. You don't have a capacity for a rational reflection.

>>14767728
Winning the lottery can happen spontaneously under the right conditions.
Lottery participants possess the right conditions to win the lottery.
Lottery tickers are not a rarity on Earth.
Therefore lottery winners should not be a rarity either.

>>14767748
Millions of people have won the lottery.

>>14767767
So you're just going to tell me outright that you're a mouth-breathing imbecile? Alright. You didn't have to be that extreme with your concession.

>>14767771
It's a low blow but you would have gone for it too.

>>14767779
Are "people" like you even sentient?

>>14767748
Possibly the dumbest post I've ever seen on this board.

>>14767783
I occasionally experience feelings and sensations.

>>14767785
Exactly. Notice how you're shitting and pissing yourself with rage when the exact form of your invalid argument is used in another context. You're a subhuman.

>>14767790
Call me back when you can make an argument that isn't a bunch of braindead, purely subjective tripe, or at least when you actually grasp >>14767748

>>14767767

>>14768101
>millions of people in my neighborhood have won first prize

>>14767595
We don't even see the ones down in the ocean

>>14768112
Yes

>>14767636
>Prove that it happened on other planets.
My brother knows a guy who saw it happen.

>>14768112
>moving the goalpost

>>14767636
Ah yes, posting on /sci/, you are taking a break from fucking your mother we see.

>>14768523
Zlorg stop shitposting on the planetary network of these primitive apes already, we need you to fix the hyperdrive.

>>14767595
anon your statement is overrated, fake and gay
mfw all of them use glucose as an energy source.
tfw all this metal enzyme faggotry
tfw LEAD GUY literally knocks on door
tfw no cyano group based life forms
why even live

>>14767627
nobody sane questions whether inorganic compound can be chemically (through natural means) converted to organic (and vice versa)

but the question is how common is formation of metabolism from that prebiotic soup
I believe the chance is astronomically small, comparable to something like boltzmann brain scenario

>>14769100
we are not talking about system in equilibrium where particle motion is fully stochastic. Energy flow exists, and will exist until thermal equilibrium happens, therefore exists engine for reduction on a local entropy, which in non-trivial system(various organic compounds) tends toward structures with ever increasing complexity. Given enough time emergence of "life forms" is evident.

>>14767693
>yellow dwarf star.
The sun is not dwarf. Its also white not yellow. Its bigger than the average star

>>14767595
there are thousands of species, beautiful life specimens on earth that nobody cares about

>>14769178
they are boringly mundane
I want to see something exotic

>>14769283
>>14769178
yeah something rather non-binary like a snail or something.

>>14767595
>you will never get to see.
I don't just want to see them, I want to eat them too.
I want to be the first human to eat an alien. If they're humanoid and posses a fleshy hole I can fit my penis into then sex is also not out of the question.

>>14767606
source?

>>14768946
>referencing a reddit fallacy
Mindless drone.

>>14769283
>planet earth is not sufficient to satisfy my desires, i'm entitled to something better
lmao when you spend your entire life being terminally unsatisfied and angry about the planet you were born on and then after decades upon decades of frustration, you die.
enjoying your eternal torment? did you do something bad in a previous life?

>>14767693
>My street had the conditions needed to win the mega billions lottery (gas station that sells lotto tickets)
>The street is an asphalt street within the suburbs.
>There are around 50 suburbs in my city.
>50% of suburbs have gas stations that sell lotto tickets.
>Therefore my city must be teeming with winning mega billions lottery tickets
This is a complete non sequitur just like your post and you are retarded. It doesn't matter if you scale this to muh billions of times larger. It's still a non sequitur because you don't know the probability of abiogensis no matter how much you feel like you do. Many people have written peer review that abiogensis might not happen outside our solar system for the rest of the lifetime of the universe. That is possibly how unlikely it is.

https://arxiv.org/abs/1806.02404
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1892545/

>>14769923
>two intelligent species breach the vast emptiness of the cosmos against all odds and finally lay gaze upon each other
>they both scream SEXOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>14767606
Spontaneous generation was disproven 500 years ago. You're just trying to rehash the theory to avoid admitting that only a creator can make something as complex as life while holding to the laws of thermodynamics.

>>14771282
You are performing the exact same fallacy as him just in the opposite direction.
We lack the data to determine the probability of abiogenesis to occur so any estimations are pointless guesses.

>>14767595
if we did get to see them, they'd be fashionable for about a month and then your spoiled ass would start complaining

>>14771668
>You are performing the exact same fallacy as him just in the opposite direction.
My analogy is fallacious on purpose to illustrate the point if that is what you mean. I think it's the same direction I don't see how it isn't.
>We lack the data to determine the probability of abiogenesis to occur
Yes, in my purposely invalid analogy the probability of the initial event is undetermined (winning the lotto) so it's invalid to conclude the city probably has more winning tickets, just as his explanation it is invalid to conclude our galaxy must be teeming with life bc we don't know the odds of abiogenesis occuring. Like other anon said it could be on the order of a Boltzmann brain probability (low odds beyond comprehension) which implies abiogenesis would never occur on another planet for the lifetime of the universe. That is what one of my links directly implies.
>so any estimations are pointless guesses.
exactly.

>>14771282
https://bigthink.com/starts-with-a-bang/planets-universe/

> With 400 billion Milky Way stars, we estimate they contain 1-to-10 trillion orbiting planets, total.
>Meanwhile, rogue/orphan planets — ejected and/or formed without parent stars — could be 10-to-10,000 times as numerous.
> There are 2 trillion galaxies in the observable universe

Yeah we are totally alone in the universe, we hit the 0.0000000000001% chance instead of life being easy to arise because we are so important, I'm so special.

It seems difficult because maybe earth conditions seemed difficult. Other planets could have proper conditions much faster.
We evolved around earth and not the other way around. Life could have many shapes and forms and not only be carbon based like us.

>>14775727
>Yeah we are totally alone in the universe
That is what the evidence shows, yes, and it's also the logical conclusion, yes.
>we hit the 0.0000000000001% chance
source on this number?
>instead of life being easy to arise because we are so important
Why does this scare you? I know it does. I've heard plenty of atheists and agnostics say it's scary to think we are alone in the universe. So why does it scare you?
>I'm so special
Yes, but not in the way you're supposed to brag about

>It seems difficult because maybe earth conditions seemed difficult. Other planets could have proper conditions much faster.
>Life could have many shapes and forms and not only be carbon based like us.
youre making the same fallacy that "big number planets = life must be common" with extra steps.
Read the links I gave and don't rely on / link to e-science clickbait.

>We evolved around earth and not the other way around
I don't share your assumption. You are basically just deciding panspermia is wrong, simulation theories are wrong, creationism is wrong because..... fee fees?

>>14775727
Look up the the Koonin Threshold
https://biologydirect.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1745-6150-2-15

>In other words, even in this toy model that assumes a deliberately inflated rate of RNA production, the probability that a coupled translation-replication emerges by chance in a single O-region is P < 10^-1018.

>>14771303
The bullshit spontaneous generation from Aristotle has barely anything to do with current early Earth abiogenesis theory, except for the very basic concept of life coming from something not alive.

>>14776495
>That is what the evidence shows, yes, and it's also the logical conclusion, yes
>takes a cup of water from the ocean, sees no animals.
>there is no animals in the ocean

I get it that it's hard for humans to understand such big lengths of space and such big time spans but some people just don't get it all.

>>14767627
Proteins =/= a life

>>14776495
>That is what the evidence shows, yes, and it's also the logical conclusion, yes
See>>14776734
>source on this number
? aren't you the one saying it's extremely rare?
>Why does this scare you? I know it does. I've heard plenty of atheists and agnostics say it's scary to think we are alone in the universe. So why does it scare you?
I'm not scared at all why would I be, seems like you are projecting and is scared that they exists and may wipe us one day, so you cope by wishing we are alone
>I don't share your assumption. You are basically just deciding panspermia is wrong, simulation theories are wrong, creationism is wrong because..... fee fees?
What simulations theories? And creationism...? Kek gotta let /pol/ know one of their own escaped

>>14767630
nothing is naturally flat, why would the earth be?

>>14776749
once you have them it's only a matter of time to protocells

why are you /sci/niggers so obsessed with calling each other subhumans and claiming to be the smartest faggot ever? you are still a faggot

>>14777545
Because that's what low iq dunning-kruger effect niggers do, specially far away behind a keyboard.
If you notice the posts of the ones who do that it's always the most cringe and stupidest ones

>>14767595
I can fucking see that right now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-50NdPawLVY

>>14776757
>aren't you the one saying it's extremely rare?
Yes, but that number isn't even remotely close to being extremely rare in the context of the link I gave. Add a few hundred zeros to it. That's why I asked where you got it from. Are you really just making numbers up as you go yet pretending at the end you have valid probability-based argument??
>I'm not scared at all why would I be
Why are you in denial? You are scared because if we truly are special, it implies something made us special.
Atheists tend to rage whenever you even mention life on earth might be special. It's obviously fear based.
>seems like you are projecting and is scared that they exists and may wipe us one day, so you cope by wishing we are alone
Wishing? No, being alone is the logical position by far, faaaar. Show me even one bit of evidence life is outside our solar system. You can't even do that. Now couple that with the logical arguments (read link I gave) and it's a done deal.
Entertaining the idea there is NOT something special about life on earth is serious cope.
This "threat'" is idiotic too. It's far more likely a meteor will destroy humanity and that is a joke. Talk about projection.
>What simulations theories? And creationism...? Kek gotta let /pol/ know one of their own escaped
Are you actually so ignorant you have not heard of simulation theories? Hmmm I guess you are. uh wow. My philosophy professor even mentioned the Matrix. Have you not heard of that movie either?? I guess it's not common among Zoomers since that movie came out before you guys were born (I saw it in theaters), so it makes sense bc you've never been to college.
This board is a little beyond you, typically everyone here has an advanced degree, so this intro should be on your level kiddo:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simulation_hypothesis
Good luck in college some day.

>>14776734
>I'll just mindlessly repeat the "big number planets = life must be common" with extra steps fallacy and hope this time he'll fall for it like I did

>>14776757
>see
That poser is an moron don't read into what he's implying at all, it's wrong
>aren't you the one saying it's extremely rare?
Yes, but that number isn't even remotely close to being extremely rare in the context of the link I gave. Add a few hundred zeros to it. That's why I asked where you got it from. Are you really just making numbers up as you go yet pretending at the end you have valid probability-based argument??
>I'm not scared at all why would I be
Why are you in denial? You are scared because if we truly are special, it implies something made us special.
Atheists tend to rage whenever you even mention life on earth might be special. It's obviously fear based.
>seems like you are projecting and is scared that they exists and may wipe us one day, so you cope by wishing we are alone
Wishing? No, being alone is the logical position by far, faaaar. Show me even one bit of evidence life is outside our solar system. You can't even do that. Now couple that with the logical arguments (read link I gave) and it's a done deal.
Entertaining the idea there is NOT something special about life on earth is serious cope.
This "threat'" is idiotic too. It's far more likely a meteor will destroy humanity and that is a joke. Talk about projection.
>What simulations theories? And creationism...? Kek gotta let /pol/ know one of their own escaped
Are you actually so ignorant you have not heard of simulation theories? Hmmm I guess you are. uh wow. My philosophy professor even mentioned the Matrix. Have you not heard of that movie either?? I guess it's not common among Zoomers since that movie came out before you guys were born (I saw it in theaters), so it makes sense bc you've never been to college.
This board is a little beyond you, typically everyone here has an advanced degree, so this intro should be on your level kiddo:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simulation_hypothesis
Good luck in college some day.