/sci/ - Science & Math

First for Titan.

2 WEEKS

>>14762259
>>14761735
>>14762275
The SpaceX plebbit leaker says Artemis 1 will explode

I'm thinking about making a sorta online board game thing with google sheets or something where the players are the CEOs of space companies
Players will race to achieve certain milestones, get certain contracts, and establish bases on other worlds
Currency is called ΔV, and you can use it to build ships and move existing ones along.
Achieving milestones or fulfilling contracts gives you ΔV, while establishing bases provides a consistent stream

I will make a google doc with set in place rules and I will keep the board posted

>>14762283
Is spaceX seriously racing SLS? If so that is the most retarded ego driven shit I have heard lately, part of me wants to see it blow up in his face.

>>14762284
I'm keen to playtest.

Think the dragon trunk has enough volume for a rocket to decelerate from lunar return to Leo velocity?

For a private lunar orbit mission by falcon heavy.

>>14762284
MSPaint update

>>14762304
No, that is ~3km/s you need to lose. It would be easier and lighter to just improve the heat-shield assuming the top can handle the flux.

>>14762275
2 weeks

>>14762284
Very cool.

Have you heard of Race into Space? It was an old DOS game where you had US vs USSR in the space race. You had a budget that changes depending on your milestones, and you would launch missions of increasing complexity to gradually increase their reliability, culminating in a Moon landing. It sounds similar to what you're doing OP, maybe check it out?

Reminder to never pay to access L2 since even reddit of all places has spicier info

>>14762284
There are a few games about automobile manufacturing you can reuse ideas from

>>14762259
Bombarding Earthers for fun and profit

>>14762299
If so we should do a comparison of Starship in 2047 to SLS in 2022, which would have then had roughly the same development times

>>14762444
That's my point, why rush everyone and risk a fuckload of engines to try and compete with another LV with a 20 year head start?

TERRAFORM VENUS

>>14762470
Yes, and dump the excess nitrogen and CO2 onto mars and the moon to give them 1 bar atmospheres

spacex is slowing down...

>>14762549
Biden is making them wait until SLS goes first.

WTF bros that fan meme is actually real.
>The Vapor Dispersal Unit is a mobile wind-making machine able to produce a directed wind stream of up to 45 mph.
>It is used by the recovery team to blow away toxic or explosive gases that may occur in or around the orbiter after landing.

>>14762593
do you think a bird ever flew into it?

>>14762593
Vvrrrmmmmmm

>NASA will soon return to the Moon with the launch of SLS and Artemis. These 10 CubeSats are along for the ride--but half of them may have trouble booting up. Their batteries have drained while waiting for launch:
https://www.science.org/content/article/stowaways-nasa-s-massive-moon-rocket-promise-big-science-small-packages
lol

>>14762635
these cubesat launchers don't have power rails or something for this reason?

>>14762635
Just delay the battery expiration date, bro.

Just two more weeks.

>>14762664
Can't wait

>>14762664
>2021
its ogre

>>14762664
never forget how fiercely /sfg/ called anyone who doubted this a doomer or a concern troll

>>14762672
ok, doomer

>>14762275
As long as it explodes, I'll consider it a success.

>>14762259
Spinlaunch is a bad idea on earth, but is it a bad idea on other bodies? Do mass drivers make sense on the moon or mars compared to just using a cheap rocket like Starship? Is it even the configuration of a mass driver that is cheapest/makes the most sense on these other bodies if it works? Does the tech they are developing have any way to pivot to something useful if Starship etc starts working (like some have speculated that relativity space only uses the rockets to get funding for large metal 3d printing and the rockets themselves are just a tool to get hype and investment from VCs).
I was listening to this ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrc632oilWo ) with one ear while playing some games and basically the only thing I remember is that they are perhaps developing something new with respect to vacuum, perhaps it has other applications? Thats the only way this makes sense to me, they can't really expect to compete with actual rockets?

>>14762773
it's been said in these threads before that it's a stealth moon launch system, often with other anons adding that a rail configuration like in your pic is better

>>14762664
government delayed Starship to buy SLS time to finish first
this is objective truth and the bullshit environmental report and FAA delays is the proof of that
Pray for SLS success because Starship is going nowhere without SLS "winning the race"

it's over

>>14762773
>>14762832
alot of the work seems to be on how to deal with atmosphere
so an alternative mars launcher is the most likely application

The Sun continuously interacts with The Gravity Field in such a way that The Planets are forced to stay around The Sun, by the steady strong shape The Gravity field is forced into constantly by The Sun.

Depict this in 4d computer graphics animation simulation, please. Thank you.


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How can you people care about this shit when it's empirically proven that the Earth is flat? There are countless laser and observation tests that prove the Earth is flat and has no curvature. We see too far. Globe Earthers can only cope by saying A CRAZY FUCKING AMOUNT OF REFRACTIONS is causing it as if the atmosphere was made of liquid fucking silicon or something. Whenever some experiment proves a flat earth, they go "Oh but it's refractions" and never elaborate. They cannot actually disprove the black swans. Just cope by saying it's muh refractions, without really being able to measure it and give evidence.

As an extension of this, space is obviously fake and gay too. I'm not gonna make an argument that NASA are some satanic people. Especially not today. It's just young people (women, niggers, troons, and so on) that studied something hard and are educated idiots. I also will not argue that their space photos are fake. They pretty much are, but it's irrelevant to the argument because I cannot prove it technically.

Globies can only resort to ad homs and claiming you cannot talk about this unless you're a scientist. They appeal to authority. They have never done an experiment themselves. They can only repeat what the big cool smart scientists told them.

I just wish the FE community was not filled with grifters like DIRTH. There are plenty of good people that know what they're talking about. Check out Witsit Gets It.

You are living an escapist lie.

REMEMBER:
Refutation does not require a replacement. I do not claim to know the FE model accounts for everything. It's not like we are allowed to research it anyway. I am only disproving there being a curvature.

When a drift is detected, it's of the Aether. The guy who did this experiment first concluded that it is the Aether. There is no outer space

>>14763042
What was the race? There is a long history of rockets going to space and sending orbiters around the moon, what is so different about this?

How can you people care about this shit when it's empirically proven that the Earth is flat? There are countless laser and observation tests that prove the Earth is flat and has no curvature. We see too far. Globe Earthers can only cope by saying A CRAZY FUCKING AMOUNT OF REFRACTIONS is causing it as if the atmosphere was made of liquid fucking silicon or something. Whenever some experiment proves a flat earth, they go "Oh but it's refractions" and never elaborate. They cannot actually disprove the black swans. Just cope by saying it's muh refractions, without really being able to measure it and give evidence.

As an extension of this, space is obviously fake and gay too. I'm not gonna make an argument that NASA are some satanic people. Especially not today. It's just young people (women, niggers, troons, and so on) that studied something hard and are educated idiots. I also will not argue that their space photos are fake. They pretty much are, but it's irrelevant to the argument because I cannot prove it technically.

Globies can only resort to ad homs and claiming you cannot talk about this unless you're a scientist. They appeal to authority. They have never done an experiment themselves. They can only repeat what the big cool smart scientists told them.

I just wish the FE community was not filled with grifters like DIRTH. There are plenty of good people that know what they're talking about. Check out Witsit Gets It.

You are living an escapist lie.

REMEMBER:
Refutation does not require a replacement. I do not claim to know the FE model accounts for everything. It's not like we are allowed to research it anyway. I am only disproving there being a curvature.

When a drift is detected, it's of the Aether. The guy who did this experiment first concluded that it is the Aether. There is no outer space

Its over
Schizos won

>>14763285

>Witsit

The guy is a literal crazy crackhead schizo. Check out any of his streams. He sounds like /x/ and /pol/ combined. He used to do FE debates and had decent talking points, but they're not really exactly hard to disprove. He even once claimed that he used to work at an airport and no pilot ever told him the earth is round. He's mentally ill

anything interesting in the past few days? been busy.

>>14763309
It's not spaceflight related, do not reply to the /sci/tzo, just do the needful.

>>14763309

He uses terms such as blue pilled, normie, gamma male, and so on unironically. He came off as pretty smart when I watched his FE debates. Watch any of his own streams and he comes of as a loonie

>>14763311
Spacex might get the launch license soon if they are actually trying to race sls >>14762283

Is fracking the moon possible?

>>14763315
i thought they had to wait a long time for a license

>>14763332
It doesn't take that long
And we don't know if they have submitted it already

>>14762275
>2 more funding rounds

>>14762259
why can't we just fill a concentric crater with sulfur-hexafluoride (greenhouse gas) on the moon. this would be good for equipment that is sensitive to extreme temperatures.

if it escapes into the outside ring pump it back in

do you see what i mean

Why are women in spaceflight so obnoxious

>>14763439
all women are obnoxious, its not just spaceflight

>throat a bit sore
>feeling meh
Its over probably. Covid finally got me after all these years

>>14762537
Has anyone actually made accurate maps of what mars and venus look like with their water restored?

>>14763451
Hope you're vaxxed, I bounced back in like 3 days.

planetcucks btfo

>>14763451
My partner has had wuflu for the past week, positive tests and all. I'm perfectly fine, like all the other times I was directly exposed to infected colleagues. Might actually be immune at this point desu, maybe my ancestors were plague doctors or something

>>14763494
Earth's crust alone has 10x the mass of all asteroids combined.
Asteroid miners on suicide watch

>>14763501
lol that's not true at all

>>14763501
yo dude a SINGLE asteroid has more usable material in it than humans have mined in their entire existence

>>14763313
why aren't there IDs here? doesnt make any sense
would eliminate the talk about samefagging, samefagging itself and then you could hide all of the replies of some schizoposters
now you can only hide one of them at a time

>>14763504
eeh, all asteroids combined only have 3% of the Moons mass

>>14763501
Earths curst isnt easy to work with

>>14763439
because acting like this is a way to get attention

>>14763504
Do the math.
Earth's mass 6e24 kg.
Mass of all asteroids combined is 2.4e21kg.
Earth's crust is 1% of earth's mass.
So the crust alone has 25 times more mass than all asteroids combined.

>>14763516
much easier than asteroids you dolt

you poke an asteroid and dust explodes in every direction, the material is unmanageable without gravity.

>>14763512
>IDs
/pol/cuck detected

>>14763501
E*rth is a gravity well with an a*mosphere

>>14763523
moons and dwarf planets are also 'asteroids'

>>14763528
You need gravity, it does half of the work for you. The dust settles in a predictable pattern instead of scattering in every direction.

>>14763516
Even if you dig only 1/25th the depth of Earth's crust, it's still more than all the asteroids *combined*.

>>14763526
do you have counter arguments? IDs are in use in places other than /pol/
one counter-argument I can see is people somehow become more attention seeking and/or start bringing up previous posts in the thread as a way to refute some other posts which have nothing to do with the current topic

>>14763522
moons and dwarf planets are also 'asteroids'

>>14763528
Ok good luck breathing, buddy
Enjoy your tin cans.

>>14763536
No, moons are technically planets.

>>14763537
I hope someday, furries build their own space station and it has genetically modified animal s i can make love to

this is my idea of futurism

>>14763544
Ok you can do that in vr though, you don't need spatial

>>14763547
i want ti to be in space, my fetish is SPACE

>>14763523
Belters problem, not mine.

>>14763544
Space stations are too easy to destroy anon

>muh asteroid dust piles
just heat it with mirrors till it fuses together duh

>>14762283
Bullshit to attract people

>>14763575
Space stations are target practice for nukes

and there's no fallout either so the enemy just goes for it

>>14763274
Gave your prompt to MidJourney and got this

>>14763586
that's true of interplanetary warfare too. if Earth nukes Mars there's no fallout on Earth

>>14763500
>My partner
FAGGOT

Does anyone have more information about this cold war era winged SSTO concept?

All I know is that the official project name is "Windjammer".

I feel bad for all the reddit I HECKING LOVE SCIENCE people that do not realize it's impossible to go past the firmament. It's a dream and will only be a dream. About as real as vampires or fairytale land. It's okay. It's still a very cool frontier for fiction. Vidya, movies, and so on. Unfortunately, it is not real. Space is not real

>>14763662
Yes.

Good evening everyone
I hate SLS

>>14763672
reminder that discovering the size and shape of the Earth was a triumph of the Aryan Hellenic mind and that flatfags are in thrall to jew bullshit
>The rabbis of the Talmud believed that the world was flat, and that the sun revolved around the Earth every day. There is a debate about the length of the solar year in the Talmud, and its consequences and the rare Jewish ceremony of the Blessing of the Sun (Birkat Hahammah) are discussed. The view of the talmudic rabbis is contrasted with that of the contemporary Greek astronomers. While the rabbis of the Talmud argued about the size of the flat Earth, the Greeks had determined the Earth to be a sphere, had calculated its circumference and had moved on to consider other questions.
https://academic.oup.com/book/1751/chapter-abstract/141387578?redirectedFrom=fulltext

>>14763675
Many such cases

>>14763675
based

>>14763669
some info here
https://pmview.com/spaceodysseytwo/spacelvs/sld039.htm

>>14763669

Did Radiant Aerospace straight up copy this design with their new spaceplane?

It looks suspiciously similar, down to being sled-track launched.

>>14763683
reminder that even if ball earth were real you still would never go to space

>>14762664
>August 15, 2021

Do we know whether or not earth life could survive and persist on Mars or other places

>>14763549
>>14763575
>>14763544
i would find and destroy said space station without mercy

>>14763042
they've embezzled so much money from the SLS/Orion program that if they lose now to a private company making a more powerful rocket in a fraction the time at a fraction the price, their serfs will start asking questions, questions the oligarchs really don't want given that institutional trust is well and truly dead

>>14763812
>>14763284
fucking missed the mark like a chiraq hoodrat

>>14763803
awooo
we are a space race of space pups

^w^

>>14763812
/sfg/ will cling to this cope and blame the FAA when the booster takes out the tower and half the prodution plant on a failed landing.

>>14763812
space x was totally torn to shreds by thunder f00t (a nuclear physicist). they are a scam and the starship cannot fly, it is not physically possible he did the math.

>>14763743
reminder, you cant content with sfg on this subject and you will never be able to. ywnbaw, kys, fraud, etc etc

>>14763042
Now this is an asspull. It’s pretty clear starship isn’t ready to launch even if they had clearance. All the booster has done is blow up and test 1 (one) engine.

>>14763819
>half the prodution plant
HUGE cope

>>14763830
stay mad, groupie hobbyist bitch :)
oh wait, you're not even a hobbyist haha

This kills the /sfg/ conspiritard
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/06/17/faa-defends-spacex-despite-unauthorized-starship-sn8-launch.html

>>14763823
the one post /sfg/ doesnt want you to read

>>14763815

>>14763842
yeah yeah i know starship will fail musk is a fraud etc etc
kys

>>14763651
weapons hidden in the darkness of lagrange points would become like deep sea nuclear submarines, you'd want them there to enforce MAD

>>14763845
and guess what? that FAA head guy, a trump appointee, was fired soon after

>>14763854
ywngts

>>14763862
You're wrong, starship is real, you've seen it down at boca chica, etc etc

>>14763859
The FAA is more then one person. Don't expect a trumptard to understand that tho

>>14763672
>>14763683
>>14763743
>>14763830
>>14763842
>>14763854
>>14763862
>>14763869
incredibly gay. kill yourselves immediately faggots

>>14763869
it's never getting to orbit

>>14763858
Lagrange points would be the worst places to try to hide weapons, since they are such obvious places to look; for that matter trying to hide anywhere in open space is pretty darn difficult. You would want secret tunnels on the Moon, Mars, and other large bodies to hide them.

When is anything happening? It feels like nothing happened in a fucking year.

>>14763876
i voted for biden, and i'd do it again. seethe

ROLLOUT
https://youtu.be/DEPUvjlrOeQ

>>14763900
We're at 2 weeks mark

>>14763891
You probably said SpaceX wouldn't land or reuse the falcon 9 ever too

>>14763906
Would they cancel the rollout if you swapped some of the Alabama river rocks for Georgian ones?

>>14763899
Asteroids hiding in Lagrange points are called "Trojans", anon. And that's how they're going to be used.

>>14762593
they could have just landed a helicopter near there. Typical NASA

>>14763910
the falcon 9 will never recoup its own development costs

>>14763662
>>14763675
gayfags are based because women are cringe

Space nigga will release another video in 3 hours
https://youtu.be/OafaWYNDTCI

>>14762330
JET FUEL CAN'T MELT STEEL BEAMS
>but rocket fuel....

>>14763925
what evidence do you have of that

>>14763819
they'll do to Starship what they did to that Iranian rocket. It's over

>>14763899
people than smarter than me always say that stealth is near impossible in space but it just seems like some single-use weapon with a small radar cross-section that loiters in a quiescent mode would be just as hard to detect in space as it would on earth until it fires. this would work for stuff like project excalibur, casaba howitzers, or nuclear mines.

>>14763899
>trying to hide anywhere in open space is pretty darn difficult
there is all sorts of matter floating around in open space and we have no idea what most of it is. trying to spot something pitch black, the size of a truck, and floating around with other asteroids in a volume a hundred thousand times the size of earth is HARD.

lmao, this is just like watching TSLAQ faggots
Tesla has already released five types of cars, build a few megafactories around the world, sold millions of cars but somehow the next project is a scam.

>>14763309
>literal crazy crackhead schizo
Just say U.N. Foreign Relations Diplomat, we know W.H.O. you're talking about.

>>14763941
>trying to spot something pitch black
This is what makes satellites extremely easy to track. All the spy satellites can be imaged by amateurs. sometimes their size is determined

>>14763925
the initial dev costs of F9 were only 400 million dollars, they've spent possibly an extra billion, MAYBE an extra 2-3 billion at absolute most. They've done over a 100 commercial and government contract launches, each gaining them at least 50 million, and sometimes upwards of 100 million dollars, which means they've gained at least around five billion in revenue from Falcon 9 launches.

>>14763949
So they've made at the very least 2 billion more dollars from Falcon 9 then they spent developing it, and this is all without even counting Starlink.

>>14763952
>2 billion
>spends it all on a failed starship to nowhere

over promise under deliver

Speaking of starlink, does anybody know how approx how many subscribers starlink has right now?

imagine of NASA gave some of their billions to SpaceX

>>14763439
>Why are women in spaceflight so obnoxious
yeah idk, that's super crazy. Women are definitely the dumbest group of people compared to absolutely anyone else.
>pic 100% completely unrel
Anyway yeah, if it weren't for women we would literally have a sci-fi civilization more advanced than anyone living in a star-trek civilization could ever imagine.
>but seriously, pic is absolutely, genuinely, without a doubt, unrelated

Guys, I think we should really consider spending 90% of future public funds and private investments on Churches. I mean gosh, these """Scientific Experts""" have really proven to be a real let down, amirite fellow le edgy atheists?
*tips fedora*

>>14763956
mirror just up and left of center is foggy

>>14763955
~500K world wide, of which 90% are in the US

>>14763959
>We should honestly just get rid of the government and let the church take over; they actually care about us, not like the government experts who just happen to also be church leaders
>Just give all your money to the church directly and do whatever they tell you to do so they can write you a note that excuses you from poisoning your children every couple months
it sounds like a no-brainer desu, obviously the le atheists are the problem, amirite my fellow sci chads?

>>14763683
reminder that on the literally first page of the Bible God creates a Earth with a Firmament over it which prevents a vast ocean from collapsing on us, that's why the sky is blue

>NASA hired 24 theologians to study human reaction to aliens

>>14763956
oh, neat picture

>>14763960
Really?
The whole thing just looks like a LHC photoshop.

>>14763859
>the FAA revolves around Starship
Do you remember what happened with the 737?

>>14763962
They had 500k in june, I seriously doubt they've gained zero subscribers over the past 2 and a half months considering the rate of growth we saw throughout the first half of the year.
>>14763954
How has starship failed already exactly?

>>14763970
t. memecolony for heebs

>>14763983
That is quite an expensive "meme"

My god, I found their secret message

>>14763970
Reminder that firmament doesn't necessarily mean a solid thing. Biblical Exegesis is important.
https://answersingenesis.org/astronomy/cosmology/is-the-raqiya-firmament-a-solid-dome/
https://answersresearchjournal.org/firmament-what-did-god-create-day-2/

Biblical literalism is retarded even if you don't believe in the Bible. If every statement in the Bible were literal, then the Bible would claim that the Earth has four corners. This doesn't fit in with a dome.

>>14763973
James Webb himself was a freemason also

i miss /sfg/ digressing into anime shitfights

https://twitter.com/ILSpaceAgency/status/1559514318194053121
>Our #LunaTwins Helga and Zohar are ready to go to the moon, and we are super excited!
>They were recently mounted on @NASA_Orion ahead of the #Artemis mission launch, in a joint effort to test the Israeli developed AstroRad radiation vest
Kinky, and decent booba

>>14763989
yes, we know the bible is retarded

>>14763981
Just add in another 150-200K

space is fake
artemis is going to explode (good, i don't want to see niggers on the moon)
spacex will send some goyim to the mars and then everyone is going to forget about it after realizing that there is nothing of value on this red rock and it's meant to serve as a hotel for rich faggots
starship is going to blow up too
moon photos and videos are faked, maybe we did landed, but the footage itself is obviously faked
iss is fake too, it's empty inside and they record their funny videos on earth
no such thing as rovers on mars, it's all recorded on devon island
you will never have a girlfriend
theatre for goyim

I think /news/ is raiding here again, did Musk piss in some jew's cornflakes again?

>>14763956
Imagine if Musk hadn’t blown twice the yearly budget of SLS on his twitter shenanigans

>>14763439
So exactly like people here? She’s got a vagina so it’s bad

>>14763914
Maybe. But each rock has to be aerospace-grade. It's much simpler to just use Alabama rocks instead, you see? It all makes sense.

>>14764010
>i need to suck that billionaire cock harder, please mr musk fuck my daughter, let me wage slave for you, i'll buy your shitty tesla stock and your pump and dump shitcoin
>we need to protect you from getting taxed despite the fact that you paid close to nothing in taxes and yet you are getting subsidized by the government from our money
>i fucking love science
>let us waste money on flying to the big red rock instead of solving our current problems
>n-no moon is not profitable, helium-3 is fake, we need to go to the mars, radiation will be glorious

>>14763600
Nice, I think it's on to something

>14764026
stop baiting you tremendously gay faggot

>>14764037
>stop baiting you tremendously gay faggot

>>14763927
Based. Was just thinking of him today.

>>14763987
Clever

>>14763544
>>14763575
>>14763803
Reminder.

>>14763989
what a meaningless wall of text. The Bible has the coherence of a 10 yo's essay. Its contradicts itself all over. Were animals or humans created first, Did Jesus die before or after Passover. How did Judas die etc. It's also in contradiction with the real world: the world wasn't created in 7 days, the tower of Babel never was, the flood never happened, Exodus never happened, many graves weren't opened in Jerusalem when Jesus died

This is unironically the worst thread in /sfg/ history and I've read hundreds of them

>>14763994

>>14764055
There's a very good chance you have a HardDrive dedicated to Hunter Biden dick pics.

>>14764079
you're wrong about that.
there's been worse in fairly recent months

>>14764090
Incorrect

>>14763994
It's weird that they build SpaceShuttles to withstand pressure multiple hundreds of times stronger than normal atmospheric pressure; considering space is supposed to withstand 0 atmospheric pressure.

>>14763994
Are they really going to strap astronauts down like this

>>14764079
this was the worst https://archived.moe/sci/thread/13562568

>>14763494
Europa is ~Greenland huh?
Hmmm, idk.
I thought Mars was over by Devon Island?

>>14763682
Nice

>>14764102
>They build SpaceShuttles
Newfags are so cute

>>14763683
>in thrall
Ask me how I know you're American

Falcon nines expand their plumage to form a shimmering gas fan in their display to spectators. Work concerning spectator behaviour has sought to confirm Von Braun's basic idea of spectator preference for rockets with certain plumage characteristics as a major force in the design of rockets. spectators have often been shown to distinguish small differences between rocket plumes, and to prefer looking at rockets bearing the most exaggerated exhaust plumes.In some cases, those rockets have been shown to be more cheap and reliable, suggesting that the plumes serve as markers indicating the rockets' abilities to deliver their payload, and thus their chief engineers' qualities.

>>14764117
>Newfags are so cute
Truly

>>14763683
China is smart.
>Oh yeah... we can't show you our rockets because they crashed...
>That village we said we built?
>Uhhhh... No... we can't show you that, our rockets crashed and blew up the village...

>>14764144
The falcon 9 doesn't expand the plume, or expel shimmering gas. That's air pressure and the sun.

>>14763927
>Booster 7 forces SpaceX to redesign OLM
big fans?

>>14764119
you call me a septic again, you'll be carrying your teeth in a bucket mate

>>14763927
>premiere
kek. i've now seen 2 youtubers kvetch about their premiered videos not getting enough views. wonder why they keep doing it

>>14763998
That is what I figured, but I was wondering if the sales had accelerated at all and if they were close to 1m.
>>14763997
>>14764065
Much of the writings in the Bible are analogy or non-literal. I'm sure a spiteful atheist knows so much more than theology over somebody who has it studied it for two decades.

>>14764254
>if the sales had accelerated at all
Ghey literally can't. Falcon 9 launch rate is maxed out and Starlink 2 doesn't fit on it.

>>14764254
When the tower of Babel reached a height of ~2.5 km God was afraid the humans would reach him so he decide to give them different languages and scatter them around the world to stop them

Two and twenty years old was Ahaziah when he began to reign; and he reigned one year in Jerusalem. And his mother's name was Athaliah the daughter of Omri king of Israel.
Forty and two years old was Ahaziah when he began to reign, and he reigned one year in Jerusalem. His mother's name also was Athaliah the daughter of Omri.

And David took from him a thousand chariots, and seven hundred horsemen, and twenty thousand footmen: and David houghed all the chariot horses, but reserved of them for an hundred chariots.
And David took from him a thousand chariots, and seven thousand horsemen, and twenty thousand footmen: David also houghed all the chariot horses, but reserved of them an hundred chariots.

SpaceX crawler arriving in Florida.

>>14764102
why do you refer to spacecraft as space shuttles

>>14764276
I don't understand the point you are trying to make

>>14764254
>Much of the writings in the Bible are analogy or non-literal
So Jesus isn't really the son of god right, it's just a metaphor

>>14763994
khazar milkers lol

>>14763992
Irina-chan spoiled us.

>>14763575
fucking kill yourself

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>14764373

>>14764373
NASA spider logo when?

>>14764385
>spider isn't in high def
>background cgi is
It's hilarious how cocky they've become

>>14764324
We're talking about a book where humans going to 2.5km is took high in a spaceflight thread. The second point I'm making is that the 4 verses I've quoted just plainly contradict themselves. The number are just different

>>14764373
It's a sign

>>14764276
>When the tower of Babel reached a height of ~2.5 km God was afraid the humans would reach him so he decide to give them different languages and scatter them around the world to stop them
kek. And idiots here think that He'd allow them to fly past the firmament.

>>14764335
No retard, that is a gay strawman. I wonder why religious fundamentalists and atheists agree so much about the Bible?

Since when did /sfg/ become a battling ground between militant atheists and scofield zionists

nooo you can't just poke holes in my heccin' wholesome jewish fairytales that my mom taught me!!!!1

sfg is dead

>>14764459
jannies are striking for higher pay

Test

>>14764475
>The forbidden horn section

worst thread this year jfc

>>14764475
maybe my second-favorite engine in rp1 after the rl-10

>>14764478
>doots in selenian

>>14764440
The fundamentalists have the correct interpretation but think the Bible is God's word and not something a bronze age tribe that sacrifices virgins on the altar of a war deity wrote down

>>14763575
But Onan knew that the child would not be his; so whenever he slept with his brother’s wife, he spilled his semen on the ground to keep from providing offspring for his brother. What he did was wicked in the Lord’s sight; so the Lord put him to death also. - Genesis 38:9-10

Coomers will feel the wrath

ROLLING COMMENCED

>>14764440
that was a rhetorical question christcuck

Is it even possible on paper to have a super high-thrust fusion engine that doesn’t have a spicy neutron exhaust? Or will there simply never be an engine beyond chemical engines that can safely loft mass to orbit from the surface
No spinlaunch meme replies, thank you

Incoming CME
SpaceX better raise those Starlink orbits ASAP

>>14764320
Bus that get you from airport to airplane is also called a shuttle. Why do you think Star Trek shuttles are called shuttles?

>>14764524
it is, but it is trickier, you've got to move away from d-d or d-t to d-he3 or p-b11. he3 is rare but we can breed it if we really want to and it's abundant in the outer solar system. boron is common but it is a bitch to fuse.

https://twitter.com/NASAGroundSys/status/1559676612374937602
>We're ready to roll. In just two hours, @NASA_SLS and @NASA_Orion will be making their way to Launch Pad 39B. No earlier than Aug. 29, they will launch on Artemis I and history will be made.
TWO MORE HOURS

>>14764545
TWO MORE WEEKS

>>14763944
3 million from GigaShangi alone

>>14764524
>don't have spicy neutron exhaust
tranny shit. you don't need fusion. pulsed fission is a great design and you don't have to worry about the little bit of radioactivity. just launch and land in a desolate place.

>>14764540
>p-b11
>phosphorus/boron-11
I had no clue that either of those could be useful in fusion.

>>14764562
That's protium, not phosphorous.

>>14762284
>re-entry vehicles
>dreamchaser which has never even gone into orbit

how is it a re-entry vehicle if it never even fucking left the atmosphere

>>14763423
we don't have enough heavy boots to weigh it down with

>>14764523
cum-guzzler

>>14764079
This is the first /sfg/ thread I've ever read so I dont have any opinions

>>14764165
>the sun and atmopshere just magically created shimmering gas plumes in the air for no reason

do you really expect people to believe this?

>>14764545

>>14764599
this isn't the worst sfg thread. the worst ones were when the /trash/ invasions happened

>>14764606
Don't forget about the Apollo 50th anniversary when moon nuts invaded.

https://iai.tv/articles/the-big-bang-didnt-happen-auid-2215
https://arxiv.org/abs/2207.09428

Did JWST data just prove the Big Bang didn't happen?

>>14763501
mining for pizza sauce on the crust is a pain in the ass when there's saturated meat balls floating around in space

Depict it in 4d please:

The Sun

Constantly interacting with

The Gravity Field

Constantly interacting with

The Planets

To make them travel around

The Sun

Depict this in 4d please

Are there any good analyses on space warfare that isn't just sperging about missiles or stealth in space?

>>14764631
The Better Mind of Space is the first serious US Space Force doctrine paper.

>>14764545
>and history will be made
In what sense? It's not the first manned or unmanned mission to loop around the Moon. Unless they're talking in a broad sense in which literally anything happening counts as "making history"

>>14764634
It'll be the first US moon rocket without Paperclip assistance.

>>14764079
>>14764482
They've all been shit since SN15 save for a few special events like LV0006 and the first FAA Boca Chica comments session.

>>14764614
I don't know.

>>14764635
Speaking of, why was the American rocket program floundering so badly before Von Braun, his team, and the Paperclip assets went to America?
They were ahead in basically everything, some areas by enormous leaps and bounds, but for some reason just weren't when it came to rocketry.

>>14764623
Depict yourself no longer breathing

>>14764646
Political interference from Eisenhower. He kept fucking them on not wanting to use ICBM derived tech for virtue signaling reasons. Then Von Braun came in, said "no that's fucking retarded," and made Atlas, Thor/Delta, and Titan into space workhorses in short order.

>>14764651
>ICBM
>before Von Braun

>>14764646
>Speaking of, why was the American rocket program floundering so badly before Von Braun, his team, and the Paperclip assets went to America?
Initial developmental hurdle of large liquid propellant engines IIRC. During WW2, America never bothered with that tech because bombers were more than capable of delivering explosives far away. Meanwhile, Germany focused on rockets because they really had no other way of doing that task after the Luftwaffe got bonged.

>>14764646
The closest thing the US had to a rocket program was the development of the bazooka during WWII

>>14764614
Yes.

>>14762449
>why rush
why not? starship will be the best ship we've ever had, and who knows what will come after it?

>>14764646
Because North America - correctly - saw aeroplanes as more important in the 1930s and 1940. Also, carrier-fleets.
North American interests were not, in the 1940s, in rocket-range of any enemy. Such interests were however in carrier-and-aeroplane range as witness Pearl Harbor.

>>14764634
It'll be the first automated version of a US manned capsule to orbit the moon, maybe they'll succeed where Apollo 6 failed

The Euros aren't making history though, the ESM won't be their first lunar orbiter

>>14763823
curious. what part of the starship is nuclear that thunderfoot debunked?

>>14764014
that's not the kinda money you see irl unfortunately. stock market money is infinite monopoly money for rich people, he couldn't ever have put his billions for twitter bullshit into spaceX

Give me a QRD on Skylon. I just found out this exists. Is it a real thing that is happening? When will it start testing?

>>14764718
Never. Skylon was never even supposed to be a real thing.

>>14764014
>>14764704
It's the whole "nine women can't make a baby in 1 month" problem. Throwing more money at SpaceX wouldn't really get you a ton more key employees or faster FAA approval or unlock some secret improved Raptor tech sooner.

You could maybe get more engine and rocket production facilities, be able to recruit a few thousand Mexican welders, but that just results in, say, 10 Gen 1 Superheavies instead of 3 - spares you'd probably throw out or need to heavily modify anyway. Capital constraints only kick in later on in the development process.

>>14764733
So what we need is nine SpaceXs.

Whats this whole drama going on in the SpaceX subreddit about the Starship development? Apparently SpaceX is looking into a version of starship post SN-28 that is disposable, some problems have come up with the design of starship apparently?

>>14764734
We need modification to the political environment (e.g. a minor step would be acquiring a major social media platform) as well as research into and commercialization of commonplace, low-cost genetic enhancement.

As-is, the only practical way to get "nine SpaceX's" is just saying "smart people have more babies" and waiting a quarter century.

>lightning near KSC
It's over.

>>14764631
http://www.projectrho.com/public_html/rocket/spacewarintro.php

>>14764718
Idea from the 80s that never really matured enough.

>>14764743
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rn6GbXZCt-o#t=4s

>>14764737
>leddit tranny nigger

GOD HATES SLS

>>14764734
Yeah, this is why competition is so important, and this is why it sucks so much that NASA is pouring money into a dead end rocket, BO still hasn't made it to orbit, Astra is dying, and Rocket Lab is working on a (admittedly good) 8 ton to LEO piece of shit for building more pointless constellations.

>>14764737
cringe redditposting but the nsf sois also said there were big changes coming to the ships and didnt elaborate.
dunno where they're getting their information

>>14764751
I say send it. What are the odds that lightning strikes twice?

>>14764754
Pretty high, actually.

>>14764737
if that's true my guess would be they're trying to cut down the number of launches necessary for an HLS lunar landing. they aren't confident that they'll have the launch cadence high enough to do 10+ flights for a single mission by 2025 right now.

>>14764765
what do you mean exactly? disposable refueling ships such that you save 3-4 flights? because the HLS wasn't gonna have TPS or flaps anyway.

>>14764767
yeah that's it, make the tankers expendable.

>>14764770
okay maybe but i don't see how this relates to S28.
I'd rather guess that getting Starlink 2 up there quicker reduces potential losses thus amortizes the cost of expending ships.

>>14764737
Assume its to get starlink out faster. Get more volume/tonnage to oribit if you can strip out all the reusability stuff. Even with the catching arms I assume they'll get that figured out pretty quickly with their f9 experience.
Also allows them to have a "cheaper" way to launch refueling tankers. Assuming a worst case scenario of 8 needed you just be throwing away 24 raptor engines and eight steel tubes, probably less than 100m in total even if you think the raptors are 3m a piece.

>>14764775
part of the HLS contract is an orbital propellant transfer demonstration ASAP, and it might be for that. tankers are going to be the least technically complex starship variant anyway so expending them would be relatively inexpensive.
i'm guessing they'll always attempt to recover the starlink starships because they used starlink flights for pushing the technology with reusing boosters 10+ times and they're going to be wanting to do as many recovery tests as possible. but this is all total conjecture.

>>14764783
Eventually can they just have like 7 or so ships juggling in rotation; up in flight, in workshop, prepare to launch, launch, in air, in orbit, landing, in shop. Rotation, juggling,

Can somebody source what the r*ddit/nsf speculation is based on? I don't dare wander into soi central

>>14764791
s26's tiles have been stripped even though they're continuing to work on other parts of the ship.

>>14764765
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1425473261551423489?lang=en

>>14764797
you aren't going leo-nrho-moon-nrho with half full tanks. this man is delusional.

>>14764797
>>14764802
if you have an ISP of 380s and a dry mass of 79 tons it would be doable. my guess is that reusable starship's LEO payload is now well under 150 tons and moonship's dry mass is now well over 79 tons.

The power at the docks keeps going out

>>14764797

>>14764811
It's possible with a 50 t mini-Starship and 350 Isp. Obnoxious spaceflight personalities vindicated!

>>14764819
Let's hope the crawler doesn't tip over in the night and by dawn we can actually see our 4 billion dollar boondoggle moving.

>>14764826
>mini-Starship
no

>>14764844
Caravels are happening, get over it

>>14764832
Now that the camera switched back to the KSC, I think it's just labpadre's shitty fucking cameras breaking constantly. The other streams aren't doing it.

>>14764631
The expanse, but the big rail guns point in the same direction of the Main engined. Because you want to shoot while moving away from your opponent.

Stealth is impossible. Unless you find a way to sink all your ir emissions into a thermos.

>>14763815
Go away pedo

>>14763927
Just say nigger

>First wymin and jogger inside the lunar lander
>have spent a few days on the surface recording propaganda vids
>about to leave back to orbit
>press the ignition button
>nope
>"diversity, houston. The lander is unresponsive. You will have to go back to the habitational module and await further instructions. over."
>consumables will last for just 2 more days
>president takes the worst case speech out of the envelope...
What are the chances of this happening?

Crawler be moving

>>14764847
Starship already is the equivalent to a Caravel.

>>14764876
Not as high as I'd like

There she iiiiiiiis

>>14764876
>By that time, SpaceX tourists are landing on the moon every few months

Reminder that Zubrin is a charlatan and he gave mini-Starship an impossible payload fraction in order to get the idea to work, before Casey Handmer called him out on it and he removed the paper from his company's website

>>14764876
How hard is it to have a space station orbit the moon?

How fast could an emergency rescue ship get to the moon?

Can there be an emergency rescue ship in earths orbit that can quickly blast out of orbit or it would make sense to park this in the moon.

>>14764912
Play Kerbal Space Program and find out

>>14764912
>How hard is it to have a space station orbit the moon?
We assume it is already there

>How fast could an emergency rescue ship get to the moon?
3 days of travel, plus the launch preparations.

>Can there be an emergency rescue ship in earths orbit that can quickly blast out of orbit or it would make sense to park this in the moon.
I guess it's better

>>14764929
stop responding to the schizo.

>>14764934
All rocket autists first start out sounding like schizos

>>14764912
>How hard is it to have a space station orbit the moon?
Near rectilinear halo orbits are as yet unproven so we don't know. CAPSTONE should help enlighten us.
>How fast could an emergency rescue ship get to the moon?
From launch at Earth? About three days.
>Can there be an emergency rescue ship in earths orbit that can quickly blast out of orbit or it would make sense to park this in the moon.
It would also take about three days, minus an hour or so. The Apollo missions didn't stay in their parking orbits for long.

>>14764936
just stop already he is this >14764623 >14763274

>>14764912
Actually kinda hard. The moon's gravity is pretty lumpy which makes getting a stable orbit harder than it is for Earth. We'll have Gateway in NRHO but that's one of the few places it's actually practical.

Actual travel time should be just a few days at most, but if you need to wait for a new SLS to launch a rescue Orion it you'll be looking at a wait time of 18-36 months.

Maybe? That would depend on the tech specs for HLS starship. We know it can make the flight from LEO to NRHO and go from NRHO to the lunar surface and back with 2 crew and some cargo. A direct flight from LEO to the lunar south pole is possible, but we don't know enough to say anything more specific, let along make any statements about it being able to get stranded astronauts off the moon.

>>14764938
>Near rectilinear halo orbits are as yet unproven
That's really just a NASA marketing point, their calculations won't be upended.

>>14764950
>We'll have Gateway in NRHO but that's one of the few places it's actually practical.
It's Orion that's impractical

>>14764969
what's that to your argument?
if you want a station, you want nrho as per picrel. nothing to do with orion

>>14764987
You're retarded

Welp, youtube is fucking down lmao

The thread's shape was bad at first but its sharpening out now

would it be possible to do a starship launch from boca chica and have the booster land downrange at the cape?

>>14764969
>>14764987
I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as Orion, is in fact, SLS/Orion, or as I've recently taken to calling it, SLS plus Orion. Orion is not a launch vehicle unto itself, but rather another multibillion dollar component of a partially functioning pork system made useless by the SLS subcontractors, shitty designs, and Alabama river rocks comprising a gigantic scam as defined by the GAO.

Many taxpayers fund a small part of the SLS scam every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of SLS which is widely mocked today is often called "Orion", and many of its victims are not aware that it is basically the SLS scam, developed by the SLS lobbyists.

There really is an Orion, and we really are seeing its pathetic access to lunar orbits atop SLS, but it is just a part of the scam we fund. Orion is the capsule: the payload in the system that allocates the government's resources to other districts that need pork. The capsule is an essential part of a launch system, but useless by itself; it can only pointlessly incinerate tax dollars in the context of a complete launch system. Orion is normally used in combination with the SLS boondoggle: the whole scam is basically SLS with Orion added, or SLS/Orion. All the so-called "Orion" failures are really failures of SLS/Orion.

>>14765024
If they wanted to piss off the public and the FAA for what would at best be marginally better performance to a limited inclination

>>14765024
Technically yes but you'd be overflying Disney with a multi ton booster and the mouse won't stand for a disruption no matter how small

>>14765045
That sounds magical as shit. Disney should encourage rocket overflights.

>>14765060
Until they become as routine as jet overflying everyone will freak out. We must force it into normalcy.

>>14765045
Not even the mouse can overrule the FAA.
>By keeping the height of the castle's spire under 200 feet (61 m) tall, the castle at Walt Disney World was able to avoid Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) regulations that would require flashing aircraft warning lights at the top.
>The two taller attractions at Walt Disney World, The Twilight Zone Tower of Terror and Expedition Everest, top out at 199 and 199.5 feet, respectively, to avoid this requirement as well.

>>14765037
>RS-25 Main Engines
RIP SSMEs

>>14765080
Fuggeddabout it

They're museum pieces otherwise, might as well get some use out of them

Insider on r/SpaceX starship development thread is saying a starship space station is in the works

How many commercial stations does that make it?
-BO/Sierra Orbital Reef
-Nanoracks/Lockheed StarLab
-Northrop Grumman Station
-Axiom Station

Bonus points for G*teway

>>14765037
*expended view

>>14764998
I guess you're making the case for prograde circular orbit because all other options in that diagram are obviously worse. 30 m/s of dv doesn't seem like such a big win.

>>14765113
I'm inside your mother's pussy where my sperm sleeps

>14765113
You have to go back

>>14765115
Nrho is shit since it takes a fucking week

>>14765115
>obviously worse
No, you're just a retard who doesn't understand less than and greater than symbols, or really anything about the purpose of Gateway and the extra delta-v required to get to NRHO in the first place.

>>14765123
Nice moving of goalposts. Gateway has no reasonable purpose. It just doesn't matter that they accomodated Orion.

>>14764969
Seems like LLO is actually the best orbit

>>14765134
is it the best for getting to the poles though?

>>14765150
if it's a polar LLO sure

>>14765150
yes they mean LLO over the poles. having continuous radio contact isn't THAT important but yeah as the other anon said orion cant get to it.

>>14765133
>It just doesn't matter that they accomodated Orion.
Accommodating Orion is the reason for them selecting NRHO, you complete and utter fool. It literally can't reach most of the other orbits so they shifted the delta-v burden from capsule to the lander, which makes a Starship HLS with a LEO return challenging and that necessitates the use of SLS/Orion over Crew Dragon. The long period of NRHO is a core justification for why they even need a space station.
>>14765150
A polar LLO would objectively have the best access and all craft going down to the lunar south pole would end up there anyway. There is also a frozen orbit that's pretty close to it, which wasn't listed on that obviously biased table.

>>14764969
do you have the paper that's from? i want to read about PCO and DRO now

>>14765179
https://ntrs.nasa.gov/citations/20150019648

Who will join them?

>>14765189
The Relativity Space Terran R fully 3d printed reusable launch vehicle.

>>14765189
The fins look so much worse in that artistic swept style than how they actually look.

l-lewd
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuQdKOCIsGg

>>14765173
>There is also a frozen orbit that's pretty close to it, which wasn't listed on that obviously biased table.
I will burn NASA to the fucking ground

>>14765210
Source if you're interested
>Be careful of the orbit chosen for a low-orbiting lunar satellite. "What counts is an orbit's inclination," that is, the tilt of its plane to the Moon's equatorial plane. "There are actually a number of 'frozen orbits' where a spacecraft can stay in a low lunar orbit indefinitely. They occur at four inclinations: 27º, 50º, 76º, and 86º"—the last one being nearly over the lunar poles.
https://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2006/06nov_loworbit/

>>14764718
>When will it start testing?
lol
lmao even

>>14765181
thanks bro. the delta v penalty for equatorial landings from NHRO wasn't as bad as i was expecting. ever since they announced it i thought we were kinda boxing ourselves in to where we could only land at the south pole but maybe not, especially with starship.

>>14765189
weren't the bugs building a super-rocket

>>14765363
Only on paper.

>>14765208
>All that tankage
I hate hydrolox

>>14764844
I will get mini Starship, and you will be happy!

>>14765363
Trying and failing. They've been showing off powerpoint rockets since 2011 but every few years the current design of the CZ-9 has to be downgraded due to their propulsion development programs continuing to under perform. The most viable design so far is a heavy version of the CZ-5 with a lot of extra engines stuffed into the cores. It's a decent design in that they can actually build it, but it can only lift a few tons more than an expendable Falcon Heavy so it's not super exciting.

>>14765445
>mini Starship
Mini-mini-Starship would be better since it would require fewer refills

>>14764623
There is no gravity field
Gravity is the curvature of spacetime
The 4th dimension you're wanting is time

>>14765189
>Starship on an identical MLP to SLS
>Starship on an MLP in the first place
Is everything else this guy makes just as retarded? I'm afraid to look.
This just screams of the simpering, hand-wringing, Team Space get-along kumbaya horseshit attitude that holds back real progress. SLS should be canned and the existing hardware relegated to museums, with every plaque proclaiming: "This rocket was a mistake." Every engineer working on it should be forcibly ejected from their insulated go-nowhere busywork cocoon into the real world.
Depicting Starship and SLS side by side for any reason other than mocking SLS is an insult to anyone who genuinely wants a spacefaring future for humanity.

>>14765116
I'm sorry about your low motility

haven't been here in ages. so they finally finished the senate launch system. but will it work?

>>14765502
Multi-Level Parking??

>>14765546
Moose Love Pickles

>>14765535
No, I'm going to defeat Boeing's contracted CIA warlocks in mind-combat on the astral plane, and then destroy the now-defenseless rocket on ascent by retroactively inducing multiple mechanical faults via chaos magic.

>>14765535
Everything except one of the SRBs which, having expired, torques it on liftoff straight into the VAB.

>>14765581
Stop please i can only get so erect

I want SLS to explode but I also want Near-Earth Asteroid Scout to succeed. The duality of man

cute

>>14765624
Let NEA Scout succeed and then Artemis 2 does a Challenger with crew on board.

>>14765173
Even without NRHO, LEO return is probably not possible unless your aerobreaking your lunar lander. It's 9km/s for LEO to Earth return and that doesn't include the ~3km/s LEO insertion burn. If you're whole hog on Starship then do reentry as well and skip Crew Dragon. The 86° frozen orbits are very curious, but whether you would want to do month-year long storage of non-starship landers in that orbit isn't clear to me.

Ess Ell Ess

>>14765653
and shackleton had the gall to be at 89.9 degrees. i'm not sure what the plane change would cost you but it's probably more than the 50 m/s for station-keeping in a true polar LLO if you take both ascent and descent into consideration.

>>14765708
polar wander is a hell of a drug, IIRC the south pole on the moon wasn't always there

new galaxies just dropped

>>14765881
That top right one is cool as fuck.

>>14765881
Wtf is going on with the bottom row

https://twitter.com/RocketLab/status/1559658817167577088

Looks like Rocket Lab is going on with their plan to launch a mission to Venus.
>Is it a good scientific investment?
>It will be around 330 seconds of scientific data collection.

>>14765900
Maybe they're midway through a galactic collision?

>>14765904
What a waste
They should just build leviathan

>>14765900
Irregular? Something heavier smashed into it or something went kaboom and shit hasn't settled yet.
It's not like they're droplets of water.

>>14765910
But Starship isn't even close to ready and reliable.
I don't expect a project like Leviathan to be possible until at least the 2030's.

>>14765881
just dropped a deuce in the doo doo galaxy

>>14765904
if it has a instrument to detect phosphene it could do some serious science

>>14765900
probably not settled yet into a spiral form. Webb has found that there are too little of these irregular galaxies, current models don't predict this

>>14762259

Alright boys

I made a TO SCALE MsPaint image depicting the distance between the earth and mars. The earth and the moon are on the top. Mars is at the very bottom, a 2x2 orange dot

It looks like the moon is a much easier target to hit IMO.

( It's too big for 4chan here's the link )
https://imgur.com/a/ZGOmBjd

>>14765922
All signs point to the universe being way older than we thought
Which is a really fucking scary thing for us

>>14765919
it will carry a single instrument and that will be a 1kg low-cost autofluorescing nephelometer to search for organic molecules in the cloud particles and constrain the particle composition.

>>14765938
only the mini moon mission can be posted bc resolution limits

>>14765938
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCSIXLIzhzk

Space is pretty empty

>>14765938
if you're gonna use shitty image hosts, at least post direct links to the image file please and not some bloated "album" webpage

A slow and painful death :(

>>14765946
That's why we need to terraform Venus and Mars.

>>14765653
your definition of 'not possible' is that it requires a single tanker flight straight to HEO

>>14765939
>Which is a really fucking scary thing for us
Why? If the universe is expanding slower than we thought, then that means humans might get to see all of it with sufficiently fast FTL.

>>14765999
based and checked. Fuck soi programming and bloated websites. all sites should look like 4chan

>>14765113
SpaceX bid a Starship station for CLD but NASA shat on it. Even the Hard R station beat it.

>JWST proves the Big Bang either didn't happen or happened way earlier than thought
>capacitor-pair thruster tests producing thrust relative to thruster direction
QIchads, it's time.

>>14766004
it's gonna transmit data until it overheats isn't it

First ROSS renderings released yesterday in the Army 2022 event. It has room for 4 cosmonauts, although not permanently.
Launching between 2030 and 2035.

>>14765999
I don't even know what websites I'm supposed to use these days, I learned of imgur in like 2010

>>14766035
looking forward to a Nobel Prize lecture in this vein
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOzNsQyamvk

>>14766041
it's gonna exceed expectations and probably keep transmitting from the surface for an hour. that's what always happens.

>>14766070
>gamma ray data link in a 3m package
lmao holy shit mike give me whatever you're smoking