/sci/ - Science & Math

>>14756391
It is simply a level of retardation. Mothers doing drugs, smoking or drinking is correlated with higher chances of autism.
Vices are more acceptable these days and thus more autists.

>>14756391
I think unstable environment. A big part is how, if you interfere with their control or their immediate environment they sperg hard. So there is an element of control

>>14756406
Except incidences of smoking and drinking are going down exponentially while autism is only going up. I think it's likely societal.

>>14756406
Shut up shill. Autists are normal (compare with past/non-western behavior). Normies have schizophrenia from lead dwficiency, and think people are retarded when they can't read their minds or understand their word salad.

>>14756531
Autism is not normal even at a high functioning level, your sensory processing is impaired, you motor abilities impaired, processing in general is impaired and would have made you an outcast even in the past and suffer mentally.

>>14756521
What do you think of females with autism?

I medicate with weed and nicotine vapes, 300mg luvox, 4mg brexpiprazole and fortified wine

>>14756391
>What scientifically causes autism?
Vaccines.

>>14756963
Doesn't exist.
A delusional cope from perennially online massive sadboys with "she's just like me!" syndrome.
Prime paypig territory.

>>14757186
Why do you think that

>>14756953
>your sensory processing is impaired,
No it isn't. You can sense what you're supposed to, unlike normies who have tunnel vision/shit hearing, limited ability to appreciate music (incl. things like counterpoint, which used to be ubiquitous) and so on.
>you motor abilities impaired
No they are correct. Normies are all spastic. >processing in general is impaired
No it's correct.
>and would have made you an outcast even in the past and suffer mentally.
No, normies used to end up as outcast or slaves everywhere.

>>14756953
>your sensory processing is impaired,
No it isn't. You can sense what you're supposed to, unlike normies who have tunnel vision/shit hearing, limited ability to appreciate music (incl. things like counterpoint, which used to be ubiquitous) and so on.
>you motor abilities impaired
No they are correct. Normies are all spastic. >processing in general is impaired
No it's correct.
>and would have made you an outcast even in the past and suffer mentally.
No, normies used to end up as outcasts or slaves everywhere.

>>14756953
>your sensory processing is impaired,
No it isn't. You can sense what you're supposed to, unlike normies who have tunnel vision/shit hearing, limited ability to appreciate music (incl. things like counterpoint, which used to be ubiquitous) and so on.
>you motor abilities impaired
No they are correct. Normies are all spastic.
>processing in general is impaired
No it's correct.
>and would have made you an outcast even in the past and suffer mentally.
No, normies used to end up as outcasts or slaves everywhere.

>>14756391
I hate that style of cartoons

>>14757342
I don't know I don't think so. My psychiatrist thinks I'm on the spectrum and I couldn't even go to school for most of my secondary school years because it was too overwhelming he thinks its because I'm on the spectrum I am really shit at sports and everything textiles related (basically a year behind in textiles class) and my messed up processing probably makes my life a lot worse even if it made me love classical music...
>>14757349
I like it
>>14757186
I don't think so there are a lot of girls who are unable to go to school and have constant meltdowns because of their autism and their symptoms can only be explained by autism

>>14757411
>I couldn't even go to school for most of my secondary school years because it was too overwhelming
Being in a room full if full blown schizos is supoosed to feel overwhelming.

>>14757411
>I couldn't even go to school for most of my secondary school years because it was too overwhelming
Being in a room full of full blown schizos is supposed to feel overwhelming.

>>14757426
They weren't schizos whenever I went to schools they were normal schools and even the last one I went to for kids with behavioural and mental health issues was too much I got depressed and anxious and stopped going

>>14757438
As I wrote above>>14756531

>>14757349
To each their own - I think the stuff coming out of Cartoon Saloon the last few years has been pretty darned good: Secret of Kells, Song of the Sea, Wolfwalkers. I think they did Breadwinner as well (still need to see that).

>>14757469
Do you think I have autism

>>14757493
I don't know. I don't know you.

>>14757518
Yeah true please dont judge me Im a bit sensitive now
These are my symptoms (Im adolescent year old female by the way): my motor abilities are bad and I get confused with directions I get lost really easily, I cant follow verbal instructions unless if theyre very precise and even then I get confused, I have sensitive hearing, apparently Ive been detail oriented since I was a toddler, I need at least some routine to do things, I have history of school refusal, I get overwhelmed easily, I have no friends, Im really direct, I get really obsessive with my interest, Im not interested in romance at all I dont understand dating, I notice small change, I plan things all of the time, I have big imagination, I have repetitive behaviour, I hate being touched but I get too close to people, I talk about my weird interests to people nonstop I have to talk about them, I have mental health issues really bad since I was like 10 maybe, I had routine when I was a baby like an unusual amount, but heres the thing I can understand jokes and what people are saying and what they mean when theyre talking to me... I dont like it but I can understand them fine and I dont seem autistic within first minute of talking to me so am I really oh and my speech and language and mannerisms are varied im not monotonous but I heard its a bit different with females what do you think

>>14756391
>What scientifically causes autism?
Not beating your children
>How do you alleviate the symptoms?
Beat them
>Why are so many autists so easy to manipulate?
If that were actually the case then nobody would have a problem with them. They would be wagies just like you, being manipulated for lots of (ORGANIZED QUANTITIES OF MATERIAL)

>>14757562
>Yeah true please dont judge me Im a bit sensitive now
>These are my symptoms (Im adolescent year old female by the way): my motor abilities are bad and I get confused with directions I get lost really easily, I cant follow verbal instructions unless if theyre very precise and even then I get confused, I have sensitive hearing, apparently Ive been detail oriented since I was a toddler, I need at least some routine to do things, I have history of school refusal, I get overwhelmed easily, I have no friends, Im really direct, I get really obsessive with my interest, Im not interested in romance at all I dont understand dating, I notice small change, I plan things all of the time, I have big imagination, I have repetitive behaviour, I hate being touched but I get too close to people, I talk about my weird interests to people nonstop I have to talk about them, I have mental health issues really bad since I was like 10 maybe, I had routine when I was a baby like an unusual amount, but heres the thing I can understand jokes and what people are saying and what they mean when theyre talking to me... I dont like it but I can understand them fine and I dont seem autistic within first minute of talking to me so am I really oh and my speech and language and mannerisms are varied im not monotonous but I heard its a bit different with females what do you think

>I'm a normal human being that was convinced by a mentally ill C average college student that all of those things are socially unacceptable.
I'm sorry to hear that anon, hope she didn't prescribe you too many head meds for your "problems".

>>14757577
A lot of psychologists and my psychiatrist now think I have it what do you think I dont think I have enough issues with understand social things to have it but I have too many things that can only be explained by it I havent listed them all, I only started lexapro/citalopram a week ago for my depression my psychiatrist told me its optional and he said theres nothing wrong with autism he has it himself and told me not to get an assessment because it costs a lot

>>14757593
>A lot of psychologists and my psychiatrist now think I have it what do you think I dont think I have enough issues with understand social things to have it but I have too many things that can only be explained by it I havent listed them all,

No amount of AA meetings you go to will ever fixed the society they destroyed that you now have to live in. Trying to "understand society" is like trying to understand MGS lore. It's not worth participating in, especially when you need a shitload of life reducing drugs to cope with the ride.

>I only started lexapro/citalopram a week ago for my depression my psychiatrist told me its optional and he said theres nothing wrong with autism he has it himself and told me not to get an assessment because it costs a lot

If there was nothing wrong with autism...why did he give you drugs?

>>14757614
Because I have depression anxiety and OCD symptoms they make my life so hard I can't do anything and I'm always tired I've tried everything else to help but it comes back I don't want to be a NEET it's awful I want a life... yeah I'm okay with not liking and understanding social customs and stupid stuff like that, most of these people are hypocritical and only care about thinking and doing the same things as their respective groups...

>>14757614
I have bad mood disorder symptoms that leave me doing nothing all day and come back no matter what I do, only time I felt okay I was on another antidepressant years ago

>>14756391
>Why are so many autists so easy to manipulate?
bullshit, faggot.

>>14757637
>Because I have depression anxiety
Why? What is the reasoning? What is the source of it?
>and OCD symptoms they make my life so hard I can't do anything and I'm always tired I've tried everything else to help but it comes back I don't want to be a NEET it's awful I want a life
Then break yourself before a FED groomer does. All I can tell you is describing the conditions that the majority of people have isn't going to get you sympathy outside your pay-to-hugbox.
I personally am really tiiiired of having to work 40 hours a week, it really does leave you fucking tired (because it literally works the energy out of your body).
I personally have OCD symptoms, it's called "balancing a checkbook" and making sure the fucking IRS doesn't get a reason to push my shit in to rob me out of more of my money for victims like you.
I personally have anxiety because of the clusterfuck, polarized, moronic people I have to deal with on a daily basis.
I personally may have a bit of depression, most likely stemming from the fact that you too would be depressed if you had to do all of this just for the privilege of living on black planet

Stop deleting your posts. Your shyness is no use here, "autist".

>>14757670
>I have bad mood disorder symptoms
Why?


To have all these symptoms...but no actual explanation as to where they came from or what caused them? Hypochondriacs.

>>14756391
>How do you alleviate the symptoms?
I was given anti-convulsant seizure meds like Lamictal as an option to dial down sensory stuff if it gets too bad. Don't know if I want my gums advancing over my teeth, a potential side effect.

Otherwise, riding on swings is helpful. Alleviating burnout by indulging my interests like collecting electronics (got a Fluke differential voltmeter and other old stuff recently), other fun things.

>>14757687
I've had these symptoms ever since I was a child and have a normal upbringing but I can't help but feel very bad depression and anxiety in normal situation, its just too much for me, my parents tried everything but I still have it... only medicine worked for me before.. not everyone has mental illness because of external environmental reasons you're clearly projecting onto me, I think I might have ASD which could make me more susceptible to these things

>>14757716
>I've had these symptoms ever since I was a child
Join the fucking "I wasn't beaten enough as a kid" club like the rest of them. They only continued after you became an adult because of your weak father.

>my parents tried everything
Except the one thing we all know would have worked

>I think
>I think
Hypochondriac. Know something for a change.

A colleague in my college who majored in biology told me that a lot of autism can be explained by thalides. That is to say, the introduction of microplastics into our diets can extend as far as to the capillaries in the brain. These are so prolific as to be present in a baby’s body at birth, leading to new neurological disorders like autism.

>>14757730
They did when I started misbehaving but it didnt work I just rebelled even more, you dont know anything

>>14757740
>They did when I started misbehaving but it didnt work I just rebelled even more, you dont know anything
Yeah, those are normally the "cool kids" in highschool and even those degenerates make a halfway decent living after dropping out.

>>14757593
> but I have too many things that can only be explained by it
Autism doesn't explain it. It's a set of symptoms that you mistake for the cause of the symptoms. If you think about it, it's amazing how easy it is to trick people into believing that the symptom is the cause of the symptom itself just by slapping a label on it.
>I have social issues or so I believe. It's caused by autism.
>My legs are restless. It's caused by restless leg syndrome.
>I'm lazy. It's caused by laziness syndrome.
>>14756406
>It is simply a level of retardation. Mothers doing drugs, smoking or drinking is correlated with higher chances of autism.
False.
>>14756953
>your sensory processing is impaired, you motor abilities impaired, processing in general is impaired
Impaired by what standards? You do have to provide us with a definition that goes beyond the 'society thinks it's bad' argument. Otherwise such arguments around impairment and disability only prove a latent eugenic drive for better wage workers rather than actually understanding why people behave the way they do.
>>14757736
>A colleague in my college who majored in biology told me that a lot of autism can be explained by thalides.
Seems like every 5 to 6 years or so, people chimp out over the next product that is now believed to cause all types of undesired behaviors and allergies in their child. First, phone radiation, then vaccines, then food additives and gluten and now microplastics.

>>14757888
Then what does explain it?

>>14756406
>It is simply a level of retardation. Mothers doing drugs, smoking or drinking is correlated with higher chances of autism.
Higher intelligence in the parents correlates with a higher risk of having children with autism, since scientific minds tend to have some autistic traits.

>>14757342
I'm guessing you're autistic.

>>14757921
X causes Y when Y is inferred from X isn't an explanation, anyway.

What could explain your social issues? Tons of stuff. Lack of confidence, lack of experience, anxiety, ugliness including being unable to wear the right clothes, sociocognitive issues such as being unable to read faces or unable to properly convey emotions, unable to behave the way you're expected to behave because you violate social norms, intellectual issues, either you're substantially more intelligent or less than most of your peers, lack of social interest, different interests etc.
Trying to rule out any of these factors will help you more than clinging to a concept such as 'autism' which, besides not helping you at properly ruling out any of the aforementioned factors, also suggests that you're unable to overcome your social issues forcing you to adapt a victim mindset.

please someone just give me answers or let the thread die

>>14757921
X causes Y when X is actually inferred from Y isn't an explanation, anyway.

What could explain your social issues? Tons of stuff. Lack of confidence, lack of experience, anxiety, ugliness including being unable to wear the right clothes, sociocognitive issues such as being unable to read faces or unable to properly convey emotions, unable to behave the way you're expected to behave because you violate social norms, intellectual issues, either you're substantially more intelligent or less than most of your peers, lack of social interest, different interests etc.
Trying to rule out any of these factors will help you more than clinging to a concept such as 'autism' which, besides not helping you at properly ruling out any of the aforementioned factors, also suggests that you're unable to overcome your social issues forcing you to adapt a victim mindset. Of course, except you're interested in being victimized and qualifying for a number of services that cost a lot, are allegedly supposed to help you but actually don't.

>>14758019
>Lack of confidence, lack of experience, anxiety, ugliness including being unable to wear the right clothes, sociocognitive issues such as being unable to read faces or unable to properly convey emotions, unable to behave the way you're expected to behave because you violate social norms, intellectual issues, either you're substantially more intelligent or less than most of your peers, lack of social interest, different interests etc.
But these are all symptoms how can they be the cause, they are the issue

>>14756391
High-carb diet from the mother

>>14758032
When I think of the concept autism I do think of the symptoms that comes with it, I don't understand what your point is... I can't fix most of these issues by myself, I've tried time and time again and it's not possible, I try pulling myself up by my own bootstraps but I always end up useless again... I want to die

I just want to die, none of you are any help

>>14758034
Do not mind. I fixed some issues with my last post.
>But these are all symptoms how can they be the cause, they are the issue
It's about determining which of these issues you actually have. The concept of autism won't help you there. You're being misled into believing that your social issues are the result of a biological process gone awry when no one can actually prove that. As long as they can't rigorously prove it, there is no advantage in believing it because a belief in biological determinism will inevitably force you to declare defeat. Again, if you're actually interested in resolving the issues. If you just look out for an excuse, go ahead.

>>14758050
>When I think of the concept autism I do think of the symptoms that comes with it
Autism is just the description of a collection of symptoms. It does not explain it.
To explain it even better, The term 'autism' is a loose assemble of symptoms that, based on phenotypical similarity, have been grouped together by psychologists and psychiatrists based on a belief that the various traits correlate with each other and thus correlate with some ASSUMED biological or neurological essence. From an academic point of view, it makes sense. In absence of any clear evidence, you just group together what appears to be somewhat similiar and thus may be related. But it doesn't explain it.

>>14758060
>>14758072
I already know all these issues and symptoms or whatever you call them that I have... I was hoping that determining whether I'm autistic or not would help me understand if it's an inherent part of my brain from childhood or not and that I could see other autistic people and see how maybe they deal with it and apply it to myself, I just think it would give me a lot of peace of mind and make me feel less alone, I don't see it as declaring defeat, if anything I see it as a relief if it gives me an answer and certainty and explanation as to why everything I've tried has failed I hope that makes sense thank you for explaining

>>14758088
Answer the following question.
Did you struggle with dealing with other people when you were a child. In the sense, were you interested in interacting with other children?, did you feel alienated from other people?, did you like smiling and pleasing other people? Another question is, did you feel more like an adult than a child when you were a child. More circumstantial questions are, did you speak often as a child?, when did you first speak?, are you hypersensitive?, do you fixate on certain things, which includes interests or passions, but may also include OCD-like traits, do you pursue activities in absence of any social rewards?. If you regularly answer 'yes' to the questions, it makes sense to think of you as 'autistic' and establish contact with other 'autistic' people.

>>14758109
>Did you struggle with dealing with other people when you were a child. In the sense, were you interested in interacting with other children?
I don't know if I struggled dealing with other people when I was very young, but my mother told me I've always been unusually solitary even as a toddler and at primary school age I was easily irritable and sensitive with other children and needed a lot of alone time, I would usually just draw play lego and fall asleep at exactly 7pm no exceptions and that was all I really liked
>did you like smiling and pleasing other people?
I think so
>did you feel more like an adult than a child when you were a child
Yes but today people tell me I'm emotionally immature
>Did you speak often as a child
Yes I spoke a lot in my own language, I don't know when I started
>are you hypersensitive
Yes always
>do you fixate on certain things, which includes interests or passions, but may also include OCD-like traits
Yes I have both intense interests and OCD symptoms
>do you pursue activities in absence of any social rewards
Yes I haven't interacted with anyone in years
If I am autistic how do I alleviate the symptoms

>>14757175
This

>>14758150
>how do I alleviate the symptoms
Which of these bother you the most?

>>14758159
My hypersensitivity and anxiety in social situations, people usually tell you the only way you can fix this is by adjusting your environment but I want to build tolerance instead so I can fit into normal life and get an education but this feels impossible, every time I try I fail and break down I dont know why, I just get so overwhelmed and gradual exposure only works for so long

>>14757942
There is really no such a thing. See>>14756531

>>14756391
>Do you think it's overdiagnosed?
Does a bear shit in the woods?

>>14757470
Yeah, The Breadwinner was CS as well. It's really good.

>>14758178
Have you heard of cognitive behavioral therapy and exposure therapy? In combination, you can desensitize yourself to stimuli. I used it more for anxiety and PTSD, so whether it would work or not for autistic symptoms, I don't know, but I don't see why not. It's essentially rewiring the brain.

>>14758251
You're definitely autistic, especially if you're the lead anon. Obsessively posting about something no one else cares about is grade-A autistic.

>>14758287
I havent done CBT I did a couple of sessions but it seems really shallow and overpriced yes I've done exposure therapy it works for a few months but then it fails again for no reason this is why I'm trying medicine I'm hoping it makes things stick easier but I'm losing hope..

>>14758296
I did CBT and exposure therapy. They're not quick fixes (I wish!), it takes time. It took several years in my case, with some set backs along the way, and constantly pushing my comfort threshold. Since we're talking about changing neural pathways, it can take a while when you've spent your entire life experiencing stress-responses to certain stimuli. I wish I had a miracle cure for you, but this is the only thing that worked for me, and it was a rough process that was eventually worth it. Medication never helped.

>>14758329
Ok yeah thats true Im stupid for thinking you can rewire your brain in less than a year after all of that, I will give therapy another shot but Im really scared its a waste of money and time and misplaced hope thanks

>>14758339
You can find do it yourself books if you're strapped for money. I did have a therapist, and the stuff he walked me through I could have probably done myself at home. However, I never would have stuck with it without him, so finding the right therapist really can make a difference.

>>14758355
I have CBT workbooks at home and they look really simple and I couldnt get all the way through it they dont work for me, you can't just rationalise with deeply held beliefs and it doesn't change hypersensitivity and fatigue at all I think Im beyond helping, you can only divert away from your negative thoughts for so long I get nightmares

>>14757342
This dude fell for the "Autism is my superpower" meme

>>14758367
>you can't just rationalise with deeply held beliefs and it doesn't change hypersensitivity and fatigue at all I think Im beyond helping
You're totally right, and that's where the exposures came in. Your brain is being irrational, but if you put yourself in that situation, you will eventually start to calm down. As you calm down, you start going through the CBT. Eventually your brain starts to accept the rational thoughts. Rinse and repeat, increasing the difficulty of the exposures as you improve. Eventually you'll reach a point where your exposures no longer cause you anxiety, and hopefully you can start living a "normal" life.

>>14758999
CBT doesn't work. No study done on it has ever shown that it is in any meaningful way effective, especially long-term.

>>14756391
I think that in some cases, it's just a personality trait that runs in families. All four of my grandparents had autistic traits, as do my parents and my siblings. I have those same traits, but to a greater extent. My wife has autistic traits too, I don't know if she'd meet the threshold for diagnosis but her sister definitely does.

Why do people who have autistic traits seek out mates who also have autistic traits?

>>14759011
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3584580/
>The strongest support exists for CBT of anxiety disorders, somatoform disorders, bulimia, anger control problems, and general stress. Eleven studies compared response rates between CBT and other treatments or control conditions. CBT showed higher response rates than the comparison conditions in 7 of these reviews and only one review reported that CBT had lower response rates than comparison treatments. In general, the evidence-base of CBT is very strong.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5797481/
>In this paper, we argue that CBT is the gold-standard psychological treatment—as the best standard we have in the field currently available—for the following reasons [see also Hofmann et al. (2)]: (1) CBT is the most researched form of psychotherapy. (2) No other form of psychotherapy has been shown to be systematically superior to CBT; if there are systematic differences between psychotherapies, they typically favor CBT. (3) Moreover, the CBT theoretical models/mechanisms of change have been the most researched and are in line with the current mainstream paradigms of human mind and behavior (e.g., information processing). At the same time, there is clearly room for further improvement, both in terms of CBT’s efficacy/effectiveness and its underlying theories/mechanisms of change. We further argue for an integrated scientific psychotherapy, with CBT serving as the foundational platform for integration.

All the people that associate with astrology like psychiatry are stupid and group thinkers that cant adapt to a different system than their own. These traits were in cavemen. Being a normie was not in cavemen however and they are the most abnormal

>>14757888
>people chimp out over the next product
Idk anon, verified deposits of plastic in the brain on levels unseen before the industrial revolution seems at least tangentially causal.
You sound like the kind of guy who’d say
>cigarettes and lead paint aren’t really bad for you, if these scientists were right we’d have known years ago

>>14759084
>verified deposits of plastic in the brain on levels unseen before the industrial revolution seems at least tangentially causal.
Easy. Make a study, measure the content of microplastics in the blood of women and new-born babies, then run statistical tests on it. It's standard routine research and given that we haven't heard anything about it, I don't think they have found any such association.

>>14757937
>Higher intelligence in parents
No it is more like midwits that spent too much time in education and ended up with bad eggs.
>since scientific minds tend to have some autistic traits.
And look where that has gotten us? there is dearth of ground breaking frameworks but we have plenty of autistic scientists solving tiny problems.
The few true modern scientists come from unorthodox backgrounds like Voevodsky since autists have forced upon society, an image that academics should behave like autists.

>>14756391
A poor gut microbial flora passed on from the mother which causes leaky gut. This makes the babby very sensitive to certain foods, since they leak un-digested into the blood. Due to this, its also very sensitive to the toxicity in the environment and from vaccines, whic can then be the straw that breaks the cammels back. The combined toxic load on the brain causes autism. The cure is to reset the gut microbiome and decrease toxic load and inflation.

https://youtu.be/5qcJkvh3Zw8

>>14757577
>>What scientifically causes autism?
>Not beating your children
>>How do you alleviate the symptoms?
>Beat them
Holy based finally someone gets it. Autists just need a reality check and something to get them out of their head

>>14758291
No it isn't autism to care that people are brain damaged from malnutrition.
>>14758990
It isn't superpower. It's having a healthy brain, instead of being brain damaged. As I wrote compare behavior with places and times like victorian England.

>>14759138
tldr how do i fix it i

>>14759430
>It isn't superpower. It's having a healthy brain, instead of being brain damaged
Indeed, it is the neurodiverse that are the only one's aware while sick normie NPCs slumber as dupes and pawns of the Devil. The sensory horrors normies expect us to swallow, the noise filth and repulsion teeming with urban zombies and needless sights and sounds - if a Victorian woke up in the modern neurotypical dystopia, they would think themselves in the lowest circle of Hell.

sulfurophane alleviates symptoms of autism. lots of research on it. eat broc sprouts or buy broq off of amazon

>>14759650
Not what I'm talking about.
What I'm talking about is what could perhaps be named "gross decoherence".
Their mins is shattered. They are like shards of minds instead of forming a coherent whole. Everything can be learned, (and the do wish to learn) but nothing is understood.
They may speak, but their speech is of loosely connected fragments and platitudes, that do not form a complete message.
They may seem hard working, but their work is entirely aimless, and results in little to nothing of value.
They are like a mix of jiggsaw pieces from many puzzles. They ask you to point out which piece is wrong, and why, but you can't. There is nothing really wrong with any of them, they only don't form a picture.
Everything about them may even seem perfectly reasonable as long as you only see a tiny snippet of their life. But once you see more than what fits their tiny fragment of mind the absurdity of everything begins showing.

>>14759853
well whatever, it is a point I want to make anyways so cool on your ideas and shit.

>>14756391
I used to know someone that was diagnosed with antisocial personality disorder that then went out of their way to see an “autism specialist” and get a diagnosis of that that they’re very open and proud about.
I now assume anyone that self-identifies as autistic is like this.
Actual autistic people don’t exactly need to tell you.
It’s a bullshit label and grab bag for {non-downs retards, traumatized, undersocialized-bookish, psychopaths} for men in the same way BPD is for women.

>>14756391
microplastics

>>14760171
It does seem that normies are weirdly unaffected by some stimuli, but also seem to suffer from things that are completely innocuous. I suppose the former happens when a part of the brain that experiences is not a part that is able to affect behavior, so it may suffer all the same, but be unable to do anything about it. The latter may happen when something is perceived that is imposible to reconcile with the state of some synapses that are stuck, and some sort of intense suffering is experienced as the result.

>>14760270
Maybe the things that do not affect normies are those that require larger scale integration than the size of their shards allows. Whatever is bigger than the size of their puzzle pieces simply doesn't exist to them, it us not perceived.

>>14760304
My speech is so rich if someone asked that question they would have to endure about 20 minutes of infodumping on every last detail of those children from the time they were born.

>>14760304
WHat does it mean if I'm more likely to do the left, I thought I had complex and expansive vocabulary it's what people tell me

>>14760465
idk what this even has to do with autism either. Like I said in >>14760339 we tend to infodump, text which a third column in that chart would not even be able to contain.

>>14760478
can I still have autism if I have varied and expressive voice and body language

>>14758032
Nice posts, these should help anons with their questions here.

I'm not saying "do you have a source for that bro?", but I would like to read more about it if you have suggestions.

>>14760304

>>14760492
You have social anxiety. Go for the less stigmatized label if you really want one. The label of autism is stigmatized, except for some niche places like 4chan interestingly enough.
>>14760611
Depends on what you're asking for. The first thing I ask is whether or not you're actually interested in socializing or just interested in getting the things that you have to acquire through socializing. Do you want friends or a paying job? Do you want a girlfriend to share your secrets with or just sex? Currently, the latter has become dependent on the former so the autist's plight consists in doing exactly what he naturally is disclined to do to get what he wants.
Otherwise, you have to be more specific. The most useful advices are dispersed throughout the internet. One advice that is useful for people with socioemotional issues, especially a lack of binding and emotional reciprocity, is to think of social interaction as a game governed by game theory.

>>14760769
I mean your idea that to address "autism" and other mental issues you should view them as a specific set of symptoms, not a fixed condition.

>>14760831
It's actually supposed to be standard procedure in psychiatry. It's only in the last 30 years or so where certain interest groups started aggressively pushing for the idea that mental health diagnoses accurately describe brain diseases, officially to decrease stigma, inofficially, I contend, because you can generate more money that way. It has also given rise to the notion of permanent psychiatric disorders which, curiously, also gave rise to a large pool of people who officially suffer from a psychiatric disorder determined by behavior guidelines without exhibiting any of the behavioral issues. Currently, you're just as ill in your mind when you have a depressive episode as you are when your depression has been in remission for the last 20 years. At least for autism, the notion of it being life-long and necessarily disabling has been mostly endorsed and propagated by autism service providers. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know why that would be the case.

Any book on psychiatry written before the '80s more or less endorses my position. Diagnoses are a statistical tool meant to guide treatment in a very broad sense but they do not explain symptoms. Regarding you, it makes sense to socalize with people labeled with autism just because of shared experience. But it would also make sense for you to contact people diagnosed with depression or social anxiety, since your set of symptoms crosses diagnostic boundaries.

>>14757349
why? she cute

What about the Judge Rotenberg Center? The existence of that dungeon for autistics is remarkable and utterly bonkers. 24/7 shock harnesses that burn the skin from the current, fever dream decor part Wizard of Oz, part Clockwork Orange, part Willy Wonka, shady tactics to keep their "clients" from ever leaving. Hello Kitty themed Ludovico treatment rooms. Shocks administered for any form of free thought.

I know these are mostly "low functioning" self destructive types with other issues too but still. Run by a deranged psychologist literally named ((((Israel))) who wanted his own private utopian dystopia where the inmates are totally controlled in a giant Skinner Box.

>>14761396
and also a UN condemned torture site! Very very weird place that would make a good level in a horror game or shit.

>>14761412
What the fuuuck
>>14761396
I hate how one of the human archetypes is some kind of actual demon in a person costume obsessed with systematically torturing vulnerable people and documenting it, and how well these people can blend into medical and scientific fields.

>>14761462
>What the fuuuck
The JRC is an abyss of a rabbit hole to go down that definitely stares into your soul.

Even the FDA couldn't stop their shock harnesses, thanks to their pack of lawyers that got it overturned.

>>14761486
There is so much evil in this world, and so little done against it.

>>14761396
The Judge Rotenberg Center doesn't primarily cater to 'low functioning' run of the mill retards but emotionally disruptive children. Retard autists are usually just sedated and tied up to prevent their damaged brains from banging their head so badly that their retina detaches.

>>14761609
> emotionally disruptive children
So 50% born psychopaths that can’t be helped by and method, and 50% severely abused kids that need unconditional support/peace and quiet.
What a stupid group to try to treat with gulags.

>>14761622
I don't know what the success rate are. They seem good enough for parents to keep sending their children there so whatever they do, it seems to work. Do I condone that? Considering what kind of children they are dealing with, yes.

>>14761680
There are a few high functioning autists that were there that have some pretty horrible stories to tell. I mean, there is no way you can condone sadistic staff fucking shocking someone for the slightest thing. Skinner himself found aversives like that useless, yet they still shock their internees. The shitty shock boxes even go off on their own.

Even worse, the whole show is affiliated with money grubbing ABA therapy from the guy that invented gay conversion therapy. That shit thinks they can brainwash the autism out of people. The one thing I agree with that "autism doesn't exist" poster on is condemning scams like ABA.

>>14761680
>I don't know what the success rate are.
Worse than AA
>They seem good enough for parents to keep sending their children there so whatever they do, it seems to work.
Because it's daycare so they don't have to deal with their kid, no shit they send them there.
>Do I condone that? Considering what kind of children they are dealing with, yes
It really isn't about the children then is it? It's about the parents and what they want.

Just beat your children, you may as well cause the treatment program they're going to will be anyway.

>>14761826
>you can condone sadistic staff fucking shocking someone for the slightest thing
This is common in many psychiatric institutions. This is why I find the attack on JRC to be somewhat naive and misled. And the whole center unsurprisingly operates as a private institution. One isn't being dragged there. It's the parents who send their child there. So, in many ways, the parents are just as much to blame as those administering the shocks. And I promise you, most parents know what's going on there.
>That shit thinks they can brainwash the autism out of people.
ABA is poorly supported by research, is costly and a free-to-invest business scheme for everyone. That's all I know and why I'm critical of it. Yet, you have to view both pros and cons of it. Parents want it, it is obviously useless if you're already high-functioning, yet if it teaches a 15-year-old kid to use the toilets instead of shitting in his diapers? You might be happy with your autism or at least can live by it, but you forget that numerous profound mental retardation syndromes are also subsumed under the term 'autism'. Some families simply deal with a 16-year-old boy who can't write, can't read, can't clothe himself, can't use the toilets, only speaks 5 or 6 words and is emotionally stuck on the level of a 3-year-old, meaning that if he acts out, he will punch holes in the wall and attack and bite his parents. And yet, for some reason, the neurodiversity crowd still claims that the severely autistic/intellectually disabled/dyspraxic guy is just like them. Even in light of more recent discoveries which reveal that his condition is not rarely syndromic, can be traced back to numerous de novo mutations, viral infections and pre- and perinatal insults and thus is in line with the numerous other retardation syndroms rather than just constituting a more 'severe' Asperger's syndrome.

>>14761845
>It's about the parents and what they want.
It always has been.

>>14761680
>Considering what kind of children they are dealing with
This is the attitude that results in atrocities.
99.9% of children behaving poorly are being abused.

>>14756391
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>>14760270
Maybe it's as I wrote previously, and the effects of lead deficiency and iron poisoning are indeed separate. Iron causes the deranged reward system, and is present in normies, and those like adhd/bpd; while lead deficiency causes the fragmentations, and is present in neurotypicals and aspergers, but not in adhd/bpd and HFA and perhaps in dyslexia etc. This may not always be the case due to the noise in diagnoses.

>>14761922
Alright, I was being edgy there. No, kids don't deserve that kind of abuse. Yet, let's stay realistic. If they don't get abused there, they will just get abused at home. It's a lose-lose situation.