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First for propellant slosh
>>14741698FTS Archivehttps://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1KCJBL632oieD1r6JOh_5Eg9NTcf_-hH8?usp=sharing34 new stamps from the Peoples' Republic of Kampuchea, 1984-1988https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/165jOZm52WUw4g-xQBCZMR9PtnfTdScmu?usp=sharing
First for cute girls going to space!
I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as Orion, is in fact, SLS/Orion, or as I've recently taken to calling it, SLS plus Orion. Orion is not a launch vehicle unto itself, but rather another multibillion dollar component of a partially functioning pork system made useless by the SLS subcontractors, shitty designs, and Alabama river rocks comprising a gigantic scam as defined by the GAO.Many taxpayers fund a small part of the SLS scam every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of SLS which is widely mocked today is often called "Orion", and many of its victims are not aware that it is basically the SLS scam, developed by the SLS lobbyists.There really is an Orion, and these people are seeing it blow up, but it is just a part of the scam they fund. Orion is the capsule: the payload in the system that allocates the government's resources to other districts that need pork. The capsule is an essential part of a launch system, but useless by itself; it can only incinerate astronauts in the context of a complete launch system. Orion is normally used in combination with the SLS boondoggle: the whole scam is basically SLS with Orion added, or SLS/Orion. All the so-called "Orion" debris fields are really distributions of SLS/Orion.
Friendly reminder that NTP is happening this decade whether you like it or not.
>>14741718Why are drop tanks so popular brosIt's not like they grow on trees
>>14741718All thanks to one man, no less
>>14741713Reddit
>>147417047 stamps from the Kingdom of Cambodia, 1990This one shows an early MIR with only a single modulehttps://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1DpPHOkDGnsizz8l0DN3OI9ZbmmM0yklZ?usp=sharing
>>14741711>Giant nigger nose>cute
>>14741733yes anon, we know you're an incel. just contain yourself for a moment
>>14741723Namefag
>>14741736>simping for old hagsCome on, you can do better.
How can we get season 2? How the fuck can we get it?
I'm a game developer. What kind of a space game should i make?
>>14741713Slow claps. Gnu copy pasta rocketfied amused me >>14741723Meme Parroting newfags like you are not liked here
>>14741755With the way Russia is acting at the moment I think that any show that doesn't potray them as the bad guys is gonna have a hard time
>>14741758KSP2
since /sfg/ owns this board please submit feedback to ban namefagging. we got the image limit increased after all
>>14741758On the off chance you're even slightly legit, Microsoft made what I believe is the world's first and only asymmetrical space dogfight sim / RTS hybrid called AllegianceNo one has ever revisited the concept but it was astonishingly unique at the timeNet Devil followed up with a similar but much larger scale dogfight sim called Jumpgate that codified a bunch of stuff that later showed up in EVE
>>14741763how does it make russia look good? it's the soviets for one. second it is completely incidental
>>14741834A) everyone treats Russia as the successor state to the soviet unionB) Never said that it made Russia look good, but they are not the bad guys in the story and that's enough I think
>>14741767we need thread IDs badly
>>14741843do the zipperheads really give a shit?
>>14741849Prolly, like most western aligned nations
Flight of the rare Long March 6 tonight, wonder if they'll stream
What do we know of Firefly's Miranda engines that will be used on Antares? The RD-181 engines previously used were pretty much the best kerolox engines out there and even then the Antares had shit performance. Unless the Miranda engines are some high performance ORSC engines they would have to replace that garbage solid booster upper stage just to reach orbit.
>>14741846Tranny niggers like you need to be necked
>>14741911you give yourself away too easy
You hate to see it...
>>14741916namefag, kys
>>14741921How drunk are you? Fucking hell...
>>14741921
>>14741916the fatty can't help himself
>>14741926
Pure 3rd world autism on display...
>>14741926>>14741928don't care, he needs to be shamed>>14741925not at all, why?
The fatty continues to eat his oreos
>>14741718U L T R AS A F E
>>14741718So whats the plan?100kg payload NTP? 1 ton payload NTP?100 ton payload NTP?Starship equipped with NTP that costs extra hundreds of million dollars?Some tiny ship equipped with NTP that costs dozens of billions of dollars?
>>14741909I'm sure Miranda performs worse than RD-181, but they'll get better performance out of the rocket by scaling the stage up.
>>14741957fat core Antares looks... offit's like Delta IV medium with a small fairing
>>14741957so based. will Antares 330 fly before New Glenn?
>>14741957Ah, so they're basically replacing the entire first stage.
>>14741909It’s got a vacuum isp of 302, so it’s almost certainly using a gas generator instead of staged combustion. With just over 1 kN of thrust it looks a lot like modernized equivalent of the RS-27A.
This completely accurate image will upset /sfg/. Why can't it handle the truth?
>>14741999What do you think is the finish line, if not the Moon?
>>14741999/sfg/ likes Soviet shit though, aside from that one /pol/tard.
>>14741999communists getting their shit kicked in by freedom-loving amateurs makes me happy, not angry
>>14742006bit shameful that the US doesn't have the equivalent of this to commemorate its achievements in space
>>14742006The USSR had great space shit. It’s sad that it was always undermined by their awful politics.
>>14741972Neutron bros...Dream Chaser bros....It's over
>>14742004then the ussr crossed it first
>>14742022that's not what the picture says
>>14742023yes it is
>>14742020Over for Firefly, probably. It’s actually kinda fun watching Northrop wind up to anschluss another aerospace company.
>>14742022Are you pretending to be retarded? USA was first to send people to the Moon, USSR has never done that.
>>14742024no it says USA won
Arguably the USSR walked away from the space race with far more benefits than the US did.Apollo missions were pretty scientifically scuffed, the retrieval of lunar rocks being the main scientific benefit of the program. The problem that the US had was the fact that US rockets were too expensive for continuous manned flights. Skylab only had three missions before it was abandoned, though it was planned to be boosted with the shuttle.
>>14742031LM gets ABL Space systemsNG gets FireflyBoeing gets Astra:)
>>14742031they sent a cute frying pan robot. it counts too.
>>14742038meant for >>14742027
>>14742038>LM, NG, BoeingI can't wait for the day those 3 just stop existing.
percy caught a martian hair and /sfg/ doesn't even care
>>14742034>though it was planned to be boosted with the shuttleThere was a good chance that the Shuttle would have been used to intentionally de-orbit Skylab over uninhabited territory rather than boost it since many at NASA thought a revived Skylab around would jeopardize their chances of getting a "true" space station funded and built
>>14742038As much of a shitshow as they are now, I could see Astra doing better as an IP under a big defense industry player. Rocket 3 costs about the same as a tomahawk cruise missile which presents some interesting possibilities as a prompt global strike system. They just need to get a 2nd stage that’s actually reliable.
>>14742038dont forget BO gets Relatively. Even Bezos himself toured the factory, clearly an interested investor. sadly no one wants rocket lab. just not glamorous
>>14742063I could actually see Relativity either fighting off a takeover or getting eaten by a larger non-space launch company. If you can print the first stage of a Terran R, you can also print the fuselage of a Douglas DC-8. There’s got to be a lot of people that’d be interested in buying that kind of capability that aren’t involved in building rockets.
>>14742054wait there's animals as well as plants up there? woah
>>14741909berger was saying they'd bought a few f9 flights for cygnus too so they aren't expecting them to be ready for a while. anyone who knows how these things go can expect that they'll have to buy a few more before the new antares is ready.
>>14741718Instead of wasting time here shilling and being a faggot as per usual, you should use your autism for good and make a diagram that would break down the various nuclear development efforts.
>>14742059They also have god-tier avionics.
>>14741999The US made the moon the goal because they figured they could "win" if they set a goal and pretended that is what it was all about.The sad fact is humanity lost because both nations where more focused on firsts instead of building sustainable LVs. Even when all the money was already spend and the Saturn V produced the MLVs were canned because politicians couldn't see any point launching huge payloads now they has "won".
>>14742054What the hell?
>>14742201probably a piece of EDL hardware
Hi anons, are there any aerospace positions who have remote work + no ITAR/citizenship requirement?
we reached 100 launches so far this year
>>14742303There's plenty of small startups focused on payloads. Generally the more software development ones will be remote work.
>>14742357can you name a few companies like that?im good with programming, bachelors in aerospace. But not american, so looking for remote work. I desperately want to work with anything space.
>>14742364I did check out the more well known ones but they had ITAR requirements.
If anyone is thinking of getting a L2 subscription, do it only if you want to donate. Take a 2 month for $20 and then if you think its worth it, you can take a $200 one.I didn't feel it was worth it so stopped after step 1.
>>14742377Anything worthwhile that gets posted there eventually finds it way out into the wild anyways
>need an orbital station for a 30-day contract>only Soyuz and Salyut parts, no Proton partsEnjoy this wretched-ass Soyuz with a Proton fairing
>>14742511Vague Soyuz-ST energy
>>14741999*triggers american /sfg/ postersMost anons from other countries already know that the US winning the space race is propaganda. Both countries achieved great things, the URSS achieved them first. The URSS simply collapsed before the US.
>>14741758Game about colonizing the solar system.
>>14741999>>14742556(You)
>>14741758Clone Empire: Total War and reskin it for space, different maps are different parts of the solar system and various planets/moons/asteroids can be conquered. Nobody else is gonna make a futuristic Total War game so you might as well do it.
>>14742636>No dev will ever make Total War: Medieval II - but in space>You will never set up blockades around other worlds>You will never send assault fleets to perform gravity slingshots and take enemy armadas by surprise>You will never construct orbital defense platforms on captured asteroids>You will never form alliances with powerful interstellar empires>You will never groom your progeny to become Space EmperorClosest anything gets to this is Stellaris, but like all modern 4X games it devolves into a glorified spreadsheet simulator after an hour or so of gameplay. You basically never see good strategy/tactics gameplay combos anymore.
>>14742712An actual spreadsheet simulator would be step up over Stellaris.
Holy fuck those nets are massive.
>>14742303Those jobs are reserved for red blooded Americans
>>14742788and useless
>>14742788They'll never catch any fish that way wtf
>>14742006>/sfg/ likes Soviet shit thoughSpeak for yourself; the word following "Soviet" is the relevant one.
>>14742788these don't exist anymore
>>14742880I already mentioned you subhuman /pol/tard.
>>14742898>It's all just the one guy I swear and there's no way that my opinion is contentious and is therefor fact and I will revel in my carefully crafted sense of validationt. you
>>14742880If you're talking about shit then boy do I have the spacecraft for you
>>14742908The Shuttle is awarded no points except for working out a lot of the troubles inherent to heat shield tiles, being surprisingly good at light-weighting a reusable hydrolox engine that uses a pair of fuel rich preburners for some ungodly reason, and pioneering lightweight, friction stir welded tanks.
>>14742906I don't really care if it's one guy or three. You can easily tell they're retarded /pol/ subhuman regardless nonetheless and that they're the small minority here.
>>14742928k
>>14742930t. butthurt
>SpaceX will be launching Starlink Group 4-20 on booster 1069https://twitter.com/Matt_Lowne/status/1556544741206102016He can't keep getting away with it!
>>14742950b-but he smoked weed once, a fraud, cancel him reeeeee
>>14742942
>>14742997You literally responded to a 6 hour old post because you got butthurt over it claiming /sfg/ likes Soviets space tech.
>>14743001>if you respond to a post, you're butthurtNot everyone is like you
Alpha WDR success
>>14742983apparently SpaceX was forced to randomly drug check their employees after that stunt and Elon had to apologize to staff
>>14742004it's called the space race, not the moon racemaybe that means the finish line is space
>>14743072>>14743075Horeee sheet, china has done what the ISS did 40 years ago. Trooley numba wan!
>>14743112In that case, the winner is Germany.
>>14741889starship station is retardedusing starship to lift construction material for a mega station is real shit
>>14743132what is the benefit of a mega station
>>14742712Aurora 4x you uncultured faggot
>>14743137mega volume
>>14743140what is the benefit of mega volume
>static fire todayOH SHIT OH FUCK
>>14743126oh so NOW suborbital counts, does it?
>>14743149
>>14743149How do you know?
>>14743182>small object removal>watering down the area to prevent fires
>>14743126The winner was always Germany
>>14743054looks like a can of monster
>>14743152No manlets allowed
https://www.space.com/artemis-1-launch-ticket-sales-crash-website>Artemis 1 moon mission launch ticket sales crashed website>Ticket sales for the Artemis 1 launch, which is targeted for Aug. 29, were so popular after opening Tuesday (Aug. 2) that the Kennedy Space Center Visitor Complex's website was briefly overwhelmed, Florida Today reported late last week.>The news comes amid expectations that more than 100,000 people will show up on the Space Coast of Florida, which includes the Kennedy Space Center and the nearby Cape Canaveral Space Force Station, both of which are an hour east of Orlando.SOON
>>14743143mega industryno more faggy science faire experimentswe do real shit now
>>14741711Listenning to /sfg/ music for the feels.https://youtu.be/EZSTkunGczI
>>14743311its an unmanned flight tho
>>14742511what mods are these?
>>14743348Tantares Launch Vehicles, and some other Tantares modsProbably the best stockalike Soviet mod for KSP, RO has some nice models but they’re janky as shit
EARTHER (derogatory)
How can anyone compete?
https://spacenews.com/starlink-satellites-encounter-russian-asat-debris-squalls/https://www.airforcemag.com/multiple-air-force-units-buy-spacexs-starlink-satellite-internet-services/
>>14743514crazy how few there are.
>>14743531Everyones pretty lazy nowadays.how about robots.Theres just boston dynamics, thats it.Thats the price of peace.
>>14743538>Theres just boston dynamics, thats it.I assure you there is more than that, you just don't hear about them.
>>14743542the sad thing is you're wrong.there's no secret black projects that got a better robot than atlas.
to the heavens, godspeed
>>14743548uh huhRobots have been around for a LONG time. It's an entire field of industrial automation. Adept, Omron, Panasonic, Mitsubishi all make robots. Most industrial companies will make custom robots inside their own facilities.
>>14743583Those are mechanical arms.You know what i mean by robot.
>>14743552Praise the lord
>>14742170
>>14743552great picture - when will it actually launch?
>>14743691two weeks
>>14743691two months
>>14743711>>14743723kek
GET BACK TO WORK /SFG/
>>14743313Truth. I think a big part of early spaceship construction will be figuring out how to do welding in space. Once they figure that out, I think they can send up stacks of beams/hexagon/pentagon/triangles and have robots weld them into massive pressure vessels, trusses etc.
>>14743745
>>14743745Welding is extremely easy in space, you don't even need to create an inert gas bubble around the bead as the metal isn't going to oxidize.It's so easy spacecraft designers have to actively design against it https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cold_welding#In_space
>>14743745>>14743755i sort of agree. welding in a vacuum is well studied topic and bead dynamics are mostly dominated by surface tension and not gravity.
>>14743751>within the New Glenn's payload fairinguh oh, who's gonna tell him
>>14743791I know, I know, but that's the only art of construction
>>14743802How do you pressurize this after construction?
>>14743824with gas retard
>>14743827How do you evaporate retard?
>>14743827>inb4 15 aneurysm inducing redditspaced questions with creative spellingshouldn't have responded
>>14743827How do you sublimate retard?
>>14743834>>14743840like this
>>14743514>astra: 11kgoof
Did they stand down for todays launch?
>>14743734It's past midnight, also fuck you.
static fire in a few minutes
>>14743852Siren sounded, braaapp imminent.
THARR SHE BRAAAAPS
Im skeptical Elon will take people to anything beyond orbit for less than 50 million dollars
that was loud
only once engine ?
>>14743869one*
HOOONK
>>14743869Yup.
Who the fuck is the diversity hire on NSF stream that has to ask whether that's LOX or not?
>>14741758Asteroid mining with tech/ship/infra upgrades
>>14743883Stop watching the commentary for fuck's sakehttps://youtu.be/mhJRzQsLZGg
>>14742592>Game about colonizing the solar system.>>14741758That's a good idea. Like pretty realistic, and you can fly ships to different planets, and you develop and utilize robot and ai to build bases and towns and cities, using different energy sources and techniques. Make it so to can do things like fly into the sun, and shoot 1000 nukes a Venus. Like grand theft auto in space meets sims meets star craft meets warcraft meets starfox meets minecraft meets animal crossing meets original pokemon Gameboy meets final fantasy meets halo meets Mario Cart meets super smash bros meets Zelda meets second life meets science jeopardy meets chess
>>14743332Doesn't matter, it's a fukken big rogget, and it's going to drop the bass harder than an Atlas V with all its SRBs
>>>/wsg/4677141Sound
>>14741758Relatvistic Bussard ramjet warships like in Protector by Larry Niven:-A directed magnetic field would churn the interstellar plasma as it was guided into a Bussard ramjet. As a weapon it might be made to guide the plasma flow across the ship itself. The gunner would have to vary his shots, or an enemy pilot could compensate for the weapon’s effect. If the local hydrogen density were uneven, that would hurt him. If the plasma were dense enough locally, the enemy could not even turn off his drive without being cremated. Part of the purpose of the ram fields was to shield the ship from the gamma ray particles it was burning for fuel.“Hit him near a star, if you get the choice,” said Brennan. “And don’t let him do that to you.”The laser was surer death, if it hit a ship. But an enemy ship would be at least light-seconds away at the start of a battle. It would make a small, elusive target, its image delayed seconds or minutes. The thousand mile wings of a ram field would be easier to hit.The guided bombs were many and varied. Some were simple fusion bombs. Others would throw bursts of hot plasma through a ram field, or carbon vapor to produce sudden surges in the burn rate, or half a ton of pressurized radon gas in a stasis field. Simple death or complicated. Some were mere decoys, silvered balloons.Brennan was throwing everything at him. The Pak scouts had used a three gee drive until they crossed his wake, and then Wham! Six gees and closing. Some of his missiles were going wild; the scouts were doing something to the guidance. The pair dodged his laser with such ease that he’d turned the damn thing off. They’d used lasers on him, firing not only at his ship but at the field constriction behind him where hydrogen atoms met and fused, so that Protector surged unevenly and he had to worry for the generator mountings. They threw bombs at unreasonable velocities, probably through a linear accelerator. He had to dodge in slow random curves
>>14742034It's incredible what's achieved with that technology. Humans went from horse and buggy late1800s to wires and electronic computer metal box machines blasted into space, with such trust in what we see as rustic technology, barebones, simple, sparse, pretty remarkable. I think of like early life form creatures, developing to fly, or leap out of the pond onto a tree, early life forms that crossed great boundry of ability, the first spider to lay webs, first beaver to build dam
>>14742094This picture is of shadows. The rover moving andor the sun changing position
>>14742034Arguably it was the seismic experiments they deployed that scientists got the most mileage out ofThe Saturn IVB thumps revealed more about the moon than the rocks did, although the D/H ratio they got from those did give the Theia hypothesis wings
>>14742636^^^This is cool idea tooDifferent players play as society of people in the future who live on the different planets, and they have to do tasks and games and city building, mini games, then a mode can just be fighting mode like forrnight and cod on the scale of flying between planets and using large scale weaponnry and defensive strategy, doing activities, winning mini games getting earnings that you spend on covering your planet areas you can afford and moon, with different offense and defense and satelites;And this can possibly be large teams of like 20 or more people as a team member of this or that planet; and and then they take to planes and battle in the sky and try to bomb the other planet, and/or defend the home planet from the other teams incoming attackers; This could possibly be an online game with each planet team consisting of 100s of possitions;Players can leave, and their character can be picked up by someone who wants to enter the game;. All that plus this are pretty great ideas;>>14743913
>>14743965
SpaceX photo
>>14743072This view of orbiting is incredible. It's just crazy to see this steady flowing, or talking toward earth, but it in lockstep falling away from it. Just how consistently this works, the camera is just flying there, and getting sucked and drifted and caught up by and with and dragged and curled and soared and pushed and pulled and pressed and forced, and its just steadily working the same orbit path?Or every so how often there is some thruster to shoot up and to lock for a while in a higher rush of gravities gasues liquid metal river? But only a little thruster energy to change lanes into a higher orbit?
Reading the manga that someone here recommended the other day. First raised an eyebrow when the MC said they needed to develop liquid core nuclear thermal for the asteroid redirect and nothing else would work. Then seeing the depiction of it, holy fuck, what was the author thinking?
>>14743976Take your meds, schizo
Let's try that again
>>14743980
>>14743075Is this cgi or real? Why is that thing spinning so much?
>>14743982Never heard of a timelapse?
>>14743982It's spinning out of control, they haven't been able to correct it since the latest Russian thruster mishap
>>14741889>>14743132>starship station is retardedWhat would it be like keeping starship locked in orbit around earth? And it can be outfited to be a station? With oxygen and water supply? And pressure situations and I think maybe one advantage of module is if something bad happens part of your ship, like a wall breach, the entire ship is not jeopardized.
>>14743982They take great pains not to expose the radiators to direct sunlight
https://tfr.faa.gov/save_pages/detail_2_6752.htmlhttps://tfr.faa.gov/save_pages/detail_2_6773.htmlABL launch NET 8/29 (windows currently through 9/10)https://www.cnbc.com/2022/08/09/northrop-grumman-moves-rocket-work-from-russia-ukraine-with-firefly.htmlFirefly launch NET 9/11Also haven't seen it mentioned, but Beta (or "MLV" or whatever it'll end up being called) will also be a Firefly-NG collaboration, NET late 2025.
>the animal locomotion schizo has made at least 50% of the postsfucking hell
>>14744002heh, two new rockets are scheduled for the 29th, SLS and ABL, at opposite corners of the country. Any bets about which one is most likely to actually take place?
>>14743995just develop liquid drop radiators and quit the jitterbug bullshit
>>14743877How when the ship fires it is strongly held down and not let to launch off, and this doesn't damage anything? It's firng enough to lift all that weight, so what is clamping down the rocket body to prevent it from taking off and preventing damage to the ship by holding it in place?
>>14744020It was only 1 engine
>>14744021>>14744005>>14743837
>>14744023Ok, schizo
>>14743977That redirect effort with 30 NTRs failed and firing hundreds of nuclear warheads at it didn't work either. Backup plan was a single spaceplane with no mention of how it would work. This plot is less thought out than the action movie Armageddon.
>>14744040tell me i'm wrong>>14743824>>14743834>>14743840>>14743913>>14743939>>14743963>>14743976>>14743982>>14743994>>14744020
Why does the Starlink launch keep getting pushed back?
>>14744060two weeks
S24 testing moving forward. Maybe two static fires today.
>>14744060fraud, I'm sorry you had to find out this way, anon
whats a good news source for rocketry advancements for a cave man that has relinquished social media like me
>>14744117Professional societies were social media before social mediaIEEE is probably most involved in the rocket biz
>>14744117read the JBIS
>>14744122>IEEE is probably most involved in the rocket bizIEEE which thinks Falcon 9 is nothing special and Starship is a fraud by Elon Musk?lol
>>14744130https://r5.ieee.org/houston/event/the-future-of-rockets/ recognize any faces
>>14744132Thats not IEEE that Eric Berger. IEEE is controlled by its senior editor, which thinks Falcon 9 is a nothingburger and Starship is a fraud.
>>14744117What advancements?
SIRENS24 static fire habbening
how many tiles will fall off?
>>14744153rolling, count last four digits
>>14744153none
>>14744165Looks like you're wrong
>>14744167Looks like you're wrong
>>14744175That's six engines.
>>14744002Hopefully it goes better than their first collaboration with AeroJew Shekldyne.
>>14744181What would she look like as a Pokemon? I'm thinking a non-human bug type.
Double static fire BRAAPP
>>14744177>>14744167Okay I concede, like one came off above the right flap.
>>14744190It's all good. Looks like a few came off in a few other spots too.
Why did it take so long?
>>14744128>JBISgoogle returns me a horse racing japanese websitejbis.or.jp
>>14744202Making the impossible merely late
>>14744202Raptor 2 became critical path.
>>14744202You know why
>>14744202The FAA was taking so long that they skipped straight to the reengineered booster for the engine upgrade path.
>No tiles fell offUh, debooonk bros.. I don't feel so good...
still calling six engines. the center three are obvious and then you can see a big flareup inside the initial flames.
>>14744202what a conman
>>14744202They completely changed everything in the design multiple times since they still needed to wait for launch approval anyway, skipping static fires since those are more for operational testing than designing when it comes to doing them while attached to the vehicle.
>>147442022 more decades
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ck5z0uMGz8sNow that we had 2 static fires, lets watch a real rocket go up in space.3 mins till Starlink
>>14744238>lets watch a real rocket go up in space.oops, wrong linkhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zb9mCpEWsyE
T-13:00let's gooo
>>14744238Might be delayed by ~15 mins
>clear can't stream;_;
3000th Starlink sat launched if F9 launches today.
Live now
>>14744238Music live now
>>14744260>3000th Starlink satare you for real? last i heard it was 1000 something
>>14744251it's over
holy fuck that sizzle reel
>It's a Starlink launch filler episode
Will there be another F9 launch failure
JESSIE <3333333
>>14744275>Jesse is clear chan
>>14744276that's a juicy rrat
>>14744266They passed 2000 early this year or late last year or so.
>>14744251Maybe SpaceX could officially collaborate with Clear one day, that would be cool
Did that idiot just do the countdown twice?
>>14744281If Clear wears cat ears during a SpaceX stream, Elon would retweet it
Holy crap, that supersonic video
>>14744286That smoke ring in the sonic boom was sick
anyone else watching at 2x speed?
>MaxQute without Clear
>>14744281I'm for it just because it would make the nasasoifaces seethe themselves to orbital velocity
kino
>>14744292requesting webm
>>14744288based relativistic flyby poster
singles and it lands perfectly
Starlink launch later tonight get your popcornhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ck5z0uMGz8s
>>14744300OH N-
>>14744293when it's done
>>14744301the booster is already landing nigga
>>14744300AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
PLASMA KNOIVES
>>14744301Based Ceres poster
This can't be happening
embarrassing
>almost missedIt's over...
Clean landing
It looks so easy these days
The cameras kept rolling!
it really is amazing every time they do it, giant fucking rockets landing themselves like its a videogame or some shit
>Trying to catch Super Heavy>Can't even land F9 on center after 100 landings
>>14744301based Ganymede enjoyer
>Not showing the satellite deploymentDoD starlinks are in this batch
webm assembly beginning
>>14744318SPACEX IS FINISHED AND OVER
>>14744318Super Heavy can hover. It'll be fine
>>14744300Uh, well it ended up off-center
>>14744316On a twelve-car parking lot in the middle of the ocean
>>14744323NOAA cut off the stream
>>1474195520% of the Apollo budget went to NERVA, so long as all the research wasn't thrown in the bin most of the R&D is done.
Jesus christ why isnt the NSF feed at least 4k60? the replays look like total ass
>>14744335what is a sunk cost?
>>14744199looks like we will never get to mars.:(
>>14744202Didn't have permission, then when they finally got permission they were in the middle of returning some videotapes
WE FINALLY GOT A BOOSTER STATIC FIRE GET EXCITED YOU FUCKS IT'S HAPPENING
Cool video of fairing RCShttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3yuq8nUSdtY
>>14744342when launch?
>>147443452 weeks
>>14744345at least a couple of days after SLS launches, guaranteed
>>14744342Save the excitement for when they do >10 engine static fireSave for it when they start stacking for flight. Save for it when they get flight license.
>>14744348hey it was my turn to say that
Sorry guys, but Starship can't launch yet. The history report is still not finished...
>>14744345They still need the launch loicence which needs them to meet a bunch of local environmental donations, constructions and alterations and a literal essay on the local history (I shit you not) then the FAA and other agencies needs to check them all and sign them off. Many months with all the red tape I reckon.
It was two engines.https://twitter.com/SpaceX/status/1557187138352861186
>>14744353Bureaucrats are even worse that beetles. They all deserve to be exterminated.
Neat list of Falcon9 boostershttps://spacex.niwax.de/
>>14742511This is my RP-1 solution for getting 40 tons to LEO.>Stage 0 - 3x UA1205 Boosters>Stage 1 - 1x F-1-1.52M with 2m 45s of fuel>Stage 2 - 2x J-2-200K with 4m 50s of fuelThe boosters really help get it off the pad with a 1.62 TWR.
>BREAKING: Elon Musk sold $6.9 billion worth of Tesla shares, new filings showI hope the amount ended with 69 cents.
>>14744338Sunk cost is when you still don't having something working and think throwing more money at it will fix it. NERVA worked and wasn't flown for political reasons,
>>14744391It wasn't flown because there wasn't a mission that needed anything close to what it brought to the table.
>>14744342>nothings happeningit's over>a little progressvaporware>more progresslul 2 weeks = 2 years>something happensnothingburger etc
>5 engines tomorrow>10 engines thursday>20 engines friday>install center engines over the weekend>31 engines monday>OFT tuesday
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1557200629365293056
>>14744408My penis would redefine the Mohs scale
>>14744425kill yourself
>>14744428are you offended by that because you can't get it up? (to orbit)
>>14744408>31??????????
>>14744441isn't it 31? 33? haha idk
>>147444281) We do NOT condone self harm in any way for our general2) Anyone suffering mentally and having terrible thoughts, please call 988 for US, and contact your local prevention hotline for non-US (you got this and people love you)3) You must be a blast at parties, go away and thankyou
>>14744446kek, complete with redditspacing. 9/10 parody
>>14744448>t. redditor
>>14744396>what it brought to the tableWhich isn't much because 18 ton engines and massive liquid hydrogen tanks don't make for that good of a spacecraft despite the ~850 second specific impulse. Instead of acknowledging the downsides of nuclear thermal and the limited mission opportunities with just a modest increase in delta-v, people would rather craft conspiracy theories. Literally every single dollar going into nuclear thermal would be better spent on solar electric, beamed power, or fusion.
I saw no tiles fall off. This might actually work.
>wake up>a static fire actually happenedthis is a dream, im still sleeping arent i
>>14744446/sfg/ disapproves of all suicides EXCEPT:* Standing under lit rocket engines (launch or static fires)* Deorbiting your corpse to hit EARTHERS* Depressurizing airlocks/pisslocks* Barehanded manipulation of radioactive material to supercharge an NTR engine
>>147444592 static fire1 launch
>>14743528>https://spacenews.com/starlink-satellites-encounter-russian-asat-debris-squalls/>In the Aug. 6 event, Oltrogge said there were more than 6,000 close approaches, defined as being within 10 kilometers, involving 841 Starlink satellites, about 30% of the constellation. It’s unclear how many, if any, of the satellites had to maneuver to avoid collisions.poggers
>>14744410he's a tankwatcher
>>14744463we'll fix it in software don't worry bout it
>>14744462oh shit you're right. im definitely still asleep.
>>14744362needs work
>>14744452The US military wants NTP and they're going to get it. The near future will probably turn out like marine propulsion where tech for militarized nuclear drives remain closely guarded secrets and it doesn't percolate to the civilian markets because 1) fuck off, it's secret and 2) it's not economical.
>>14744479that's just finnish
>>14744461>Barehanded manipulation of radioactive materialA traditional format of honor duel in Lunar society is known as the Hot Staff. The participants are both armed with a thin staff that is tipped with a red-hot ball of encapsulated plutonium, and the goal is to overheat one's opponent until yield or death. The Hot Staff may be carried out in pressure suits in the hard vacuum of the surface, or bare-skinned in a habitat environment. The former is generally a slower contest of strategy and endurance, while the latter involves ample sizzling flesh, and draws larger audiences.
>>14744367What's going on in the left side of the video? Is that rain or ice?
>>14744506That's soot/sublimated metal/plasma or maybe some combo.
>>14744408All of the engines aren't installed?
so i heard about the static-fire. sothat means launch soon? this month?
>>14744529OLT tomorrow AM (central). Don't sleep anon
I think I speak for all Astra investors when I say she doesn't deserve this. More care and attention can help her succeed
>>14744532you're bluffing
>>14744538I'm not. Check https://www.cameroncountytx.gov/spacex/
>>14744480What they're going to get is a limited amount of small solid core NTP engines that can be paired with spy satellites which can then do large inclination changes to get into position, at the expense of reliability, longevity, and of course cost. As much as people here claim it's inconsequential, the Outer Space Treaty will mostly prevent the militarization of cislunar space, an area where chemical propulsion faces few obstacles and higher delta-v doesn't do much to reduce trip times, especially once factoring in the lower thrust of higher Isp propulsion. The military would be wise to ditch their sci-fi influenced ideas and love of anything nuclear to instead learn that space is a game of economics, logistics and infrastructure.
>>14744355Tiles okay?
>>14744525>>14744578yeah
>yeah
>>14742122>make a diagram that would break down the various nuclear development effortsYou need a diagram to follow the 3 demonstration programs?DARPA has an NTP demonstration called DRACO. The NTP engine will be made by General Atomics and both Blue Origin and Lockheed are competing to make the demonstration spacecraft that will use it.https://www.darpa.mil/news-events/2021-04-12DIU awarded contracts to demonstrate both Ultra Safe's REP craft and Avalanche Energy's "micro-fusion reactor".https://spacenews.com/diu-selects-nuclear-powered-spacecraft-designs-for-2027-demonstrations/NASA's nuclear program is the one we know the least about, mostly relying on inferred information such as that Artemis 8 will have a demonstration or their planned manned Mars mission.
>>14744596What about the non-US countries?
>>14744604Only Russia and the UK have made tangible claims. Russia wants to send a NEP craft to Jupiter but doesn't have the funding. The UK has awarded contracts to Rolls Royce to study nuclear propulsion but no actual projects have been announced.https://www.rolls-royce.com/media/press-releases/2021/12-01-2021-rr-uk-space-agency-launches-first-study-into-nuclear-power.aspx
another chinese launchLM-610 Jilin-1 earth observation sats6 Yunyao “atmosphere imaging” sats
>virgin orbit will be launching out of korea tooso that's 4 countries they can launch from... korea, japan, uk, us... very flexible system
>>14744637>virgin orbitstopped reading. entirely irrelevant
>>14744644You appear to be confusing Orbit with Galactic, the latter being suborbital tourism.
>>14744452High weight high ISP is only good for pushing big payloads to big speeds.If you want to send 100 tons to Mars docking with a NERVA in LEO for the TMI burn makes perfect sense, if you want to send a 5 ton payload like Curiosity it's a waste of time.
>>14744653nta, but I don't think he's confused at allvirgin orbit IS fully irrelevant
>>14744637"Flexibility" in lifting 500 kg payloads for 12 million isn't worth much, all those countries are US allies who could ship their payloads to the Cape for integration or use their own launchers.
>>14744452>Which isn't much because 18 ton engines and massive liquid hydrogen tanks don't make for that good of a spacecraftModern NTP engines weigh less than 3500kg.Having double the ISP means you can carry at most half the weight of propellant, when the bulk of your crafts weight is propellant this is a significant weight savings.
>>14744659>basing your NTP specs on NERVAAnon it isn't the 1960's.
>>14744556>the Outer Space Treaty will mostly prevent the militarization of cislunar spaceIt hasn't stopped it so far because the only thing it prevents is nuclear weapons in space.>an area where chemical propulsion faces few obstacles and higher delta-v doesn't do much to reduce trip timesThe military isn't interested in very high delta V to reduce trip times, it wants to be able to make large orbital changes multiple times.
>>14744686>nuclear weapons in space.in orbit
>>14744674Did reactors get small and light while I wasn't looking? Sure you could ditch NERVAs shielding if robots fueled, transported, mounted it in the fairing and you are 100% sure it's not going to explode but the fuel rods are still going to be heavy.
>>14744536isn't that what they're giving it by not rushing the other launches?
>>14744703Reactors did get smaller and lighter compared to the primitive designs of more than 50 years ago. NERVA was also not an optimized design, its job was to prove the concept.
>>14744536Astra couldn't get a fucking pressure fed engine to work reliably.
>>14744536astra has monkeypox
>>14743791he pitched the idea with NG in mind because BO is building space station and Bozo expressed interest in orbital construction rather than planetary colonization
refuelable NTP makes sense from a logistical perspective, hence why the USSF is interested in it.Whilst for a single use spacecraft it doesn't offer a worthwhile performance benefit over low drymass chemical set up, for an orbital ship that regularly makes maneuvers over say a 10 yr period, it massively reduces the mass of fuel required for refueling, which all needs to be lifted out of earth's gravity well.
>>14744446kill yourself
fixed this graph to show the scale without the cringe zoom in
>>14744879if they want the Isp advantage they need to use LH2 which is a well known balls-ache wrt in-space storage
I just woke up from a dream where Starship blew up after T+3 seconds, barely lifting up from OLM
>>14744251Amen
>>14745058don't worry it's not real, starship (full stack) will never go that high
>>14744452NERVA is not a good comparison for what modern NTP can beLet's take the RD-0140 which was fully developed>2000kg dry mass>910s>36kN
>>14743755statement still applies thenrather than figuring out welding, its figuring out how to properly align and construct shit on the first go since you don't get a cheap second chance
>>14742054that shit is gonna contaminate the hell out of all the samples they will take kek. I wonder if they will try to nudge it loose and shoot it with the laser.
>>14742908it is an abomination
>>14744723Pressure feeding is for hypergolics, ie engines for those who can't even ignite reliably.
>>14744879Remember what they took from you>>14744985This is a solved problem and non-issue (see ULA's ACES Depot)
>>14745326https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Cryogenic_Evolved_Stage>IVF was designed by ULA to be optimal for depot operations, since only liquid hydrogen and liquid oxygen would need be transferred, and it could, if built, conceivably extend mission lifetimes from the present dozens of hours to multiple days.ok but how *many* days? weeks? months?
Just hurry up and launch it already, you're up to building ship 25/26 now anyway, it's not like you'll run out soon
>>14745344>The loaded LH2 could also be increased to support boil-off over the desired 90 day LEO staysor>The study shows that efficient passive cryogenic storage for periods up to a year is feasible with proper system design coupled with key thermal isolation technologies.With rapidly flying rockets, this becomes even more of a non-problem. Just launch some more hydrogen if it boils off.
>>14745344I saw something about up to 1 week in one of the sources.
>>14745403I fucking hate how ULA has been cucked
>>14744686>the exploration and use of outer space shall be carried out for the benefit and in the interests of all countries and shall be the province of all mankind;>astronauts shall be regarded as the envoys of mankind>outer space is not subject to national appropriation by claim of sovereignty, by means of use or occupation, or by any other means;>States shall not place nuclear weapons or other weapons of mass destruction in orbit or on celestial bodies or station them in outer space in any other manner;>the Moon and other celestial bodies shall be used exclusively for peaceful purposes;It bans all weapons of mass destruction which could easily include kinetic bombs, high power lasers, open cycle nuclear, etc. You could get around some of that restriction by pretending it's for civilian use like with SBSP which the Chinese are interested in, but still military activities in space are quite limited.>very high delta V>NTPlol. Most designs are <20 km/s of dV, which is analogous to multistage chemical.
>>14745406You can personally thank senator Shelby from Alabama.
the tower rises
>>14745412You asked for jobs, you got them, now pay up
>>14745422I didn't.
>>14744671>>14745217There are criticality limits which means you can't get much lighter than that, most of those designs use highly enriched uranium which the government has insisted won't be put into space, and a Pewee class engine would use a 2 ton shadow shield. Anyway you shake it the total TWR is much worse than chemical.>significant weight savingsAt the expense of less dense reaction mass and many MLI layers to prevent long term boiloff. It's simply not hard to move very heavy payloads around cislunar space, the delta-v requirements are relatively low and depots are easy to create. You'd be crazy to greatly increase cost just to increase the payload of any one rocket.
>>14743994the whole point of starship is that its rapid reuse lets it hurl retarded amounts of mass into orbitit has a fuckton of equipment that's only good for that reuseby making it a station, you throw away all that and get a mediocre station with unhelpful shit taking up space
>>14745426There seems to be a misunderstanding. The contract was to produce work on spacecraft, not working spacecraft. On my end, I have delivered.
>>14745416>The world is changing. Who now has the strength to stand against the Launch sites of Boca Chica... and Canaveral? To stand against the might of Falcon 9 and Starship... and the union of the Two Towers? Together, my Lord Musk, we shall rule this Oldspace-earth.
>>14744972Nice
3 more Starlink launches coming up in the next 2 weeks
>>14744202they literally dont know what theyre doing
>>14745543We were too dumb.
>>14745416When did it start stacking? How fast is the Florida tower going to go from first segment to operational?
Stop caring about mars.
>>14745557nah
>>14745557What is the counterargument to this?
>>14745565Humanity is perfectly capable of doing multiple things at once
>>14745565Fuck urf
>>14745565"Focus on fixing what we already have" has never worked, not even to fix the thing focused on. If it can be fixed then it doesn't need to be the sole focus of our efforts because it'll get fixed anyways and narrowing the scope of our ambitions only results in getting less done overall.Also anyone who advocated for less funding and effort going towards space is a retard who knows nothing about return on investment.
>>14745438You can cut out the common dome, slosh baffles and downcomers really easily. wet workshop starship would be a really large space for cheap.
>>14745593If you take a truck, park it in an empty lot, and somehow connect the cabin with the cargo compartment, you get a small house for cheap
MARTIAN (Neutrally charged)
>>14745565if we can live on mars which has a 96% CO2 atmosphere, we can easily fix urf's climate no?
>>14745602(positively charged)
>>14745605>if we can live on mars which has a 96% CO2 atmosphere, we can easily fix urf's climate no?no that's retarded.stopping or reversing net CO2 flux is hard but it's becoming economically favourable so it'll happen.
>>14745565The habitability of earth can never be sustained unless you plan to eradicate humanity, the best move is to terraform a near dead rock like mars and move the majority of the species their to continue growth and evolution and allow the earth to repair and regain sustainability, you cannot maintain the ever growing human population on earth alone for much longer without disrupting the habitability of the planet sacrificing the majority of the species to protect our own. The more you hold back humanity's efforts into space colonization the more you damage earth in the long run.
>>14745596uhh based
>>14745565There is no counterargument to his strawman. Bu now one is saying 20% of GDP should go towards Mars or something.
>>14742054This is why we need dragons on Mars.
>>14745613I wish I had that paper that mentioned how there might eventually be a point where we have to worry about people taking too much CO2 out of the atmosphere.>>14745614This.>>14745631I would. I would dedicate as much of the GDP as humanly possible towards space if I had it my way.
>>14745614>the earth is overpopulatedpopsci brainwash that'll be the end of our species.all western countries have fallen below replacement rate. the average person is becoming lazy and non-technical.we need to eradicate this culture of castigating ourselves, have three kids per family and teach them to reach for greatness through hard work.otherwise ngmi
>>14745616Not quite as based when you remember that you also have to take out the fuel tank and slash all the tires
>>14744659Let's look at a realistic design for a conjunction Mars transfer NTR with modern NTP engines like what has been suggested in this thread, oh look it sucks.>78 ton payload with no lander and no aerobraking ability> <7 km/s of dV, 215 day one way transit time, both worse than Starshipbro but think of the mass savings after spending 50 billion on this piece of garbage aha
>>14745593there's an autiste here who gets absurdly irate when wet workshops are proposed idgi they're cool
>>14745607> Mars or Martians ever being strong lmao
>>14745656there's the argument that the potential lost revenue means spacex would never sell you a starship but i don't believe that.
>>14745656It just doesn't make sense for Starship.
>>14745656That's me and I'm right. >>14745593> wet workshop starship would be a really large space for cheap.Minus the cost of taking a steel cylinder in space and turning it into a space station using astronauts that likely have the most expensive labor cost per man hour in human history and countless supply launches to bring up the equipment that could have been installed on the ground if you weren't fucking retarded.
>>14745565"lol""lmao"
>>14745673Starship as a wet workshop maybe makes sense for mars and beyond, but never earth orbit
>>14745641Have you checked western food and housing prices? That's the true reason for people not having babies because they are afraid they cannot afford to (even if in reality they can), the land has been bought up by money grubbing scumbags and nothing is left without forcibly taking it which people are not going to do unless a western revolution kicks off and that will only delay the limited space we have. Get to a new earth sized planet and grab all the free land you want just like America let its citizens go and do to keep it's claims in the fledgeling states.
>>14745673>Minus the cost of taking a steel cylinder in space and turning it into a space station using astronauts that likely have the most expensive labor cost per man hour in human history and countless supply launches to bring up the equipment that could have been installed on the ground if you weren't fucking retarded.if your station doesn't fit in the starship cargo bay you have to do all those things but to an even greater extent. i don't see your point.
>>14745697>Have you checked western food and housing prices? That's the true reason for people not having babiesnice cope.
>>14745707dumb people get paid to breed, rich people too smort to have sex (except Elon)
>>14745701this bugs me too. starship has a fat payload upmass but it has to fit through those bay doors, nothing heavy, large volumed and monolithic like a decent space station module
>>14745707>cherry picked only part of the comment>'cope'>Amerimutt ((statistics))
>>14745717Amazing, you destroyed your entire own argument in a single post.
>>14745714Olympus was ahead of its time. It's a shame that the CIA used ayy-tech to cook Bigelow's brain.
>>14745697Newsflash. People used to have more children with less living space and material wealth.
>>14745713you'll turn a blind eye to the problem until our species decays enough so that nobody can build a new factory or bridge anymore.space colonization is a nice industrial counter force but we need more.if the average person was working 10 hour days doing really difficult things the birth rate would increase steeply.
>>14745707>>14745727Really though what's the deal with this? What's the real reason behind declining birthrates?
>>14745680no it doesn'tany situation where you'd be sending shit there at all would be a situation where you could use starship's lift capacity to send hardware designed for the jobinflatables might be a meme now, but starship opens the door for inflatable habs of absolutely retarded scale because of its godlike lift
>>14745732becoming too comfortable, doing bullshit menial jobs and having no grand ambitions for the future.
>>14745714Starship is built for Big Bulky Cargo, ie. propellant and oxidiser. Most of Starship flights will be refuelling.
>>14745725Is it possible for SpaceX to acquire some expertise in expandable habitat without paying Bigelow a huge bucks? Just do it in house?
>>14745752has no practical or commercial value for them at this point, maybe in 15-20 years
>>14745732microplastics
>>14745755They could lob a Starship with expandable modules in its side. Each of those expandable modules could have an attachment point for a inflatable habitat that can house 100+ humans in space. Each one can be lobbed by a single starship launch and can expand in few weeks/months time.
>>14745741People weren't comfortable in the 60s?
>>14745764birthrates crashed after 1963
>>14745758wrong. it's our culture of being useless drones doing useless things and ending the day with useless shows on tv.
>>14745654>the people in charge of SLS are badYes they are, a decent NTR would be designed to push a payload to TLI / TMI, undock and then burn retrograde to stay in LEO. This way you keep refueling the same NTR for decades until fuel decay kills it.For some reason NASA just can't get orbital refueling past congress.
>>14745725
starship wet workshops are retarded for largescale projects but sacrificing one for something more modest like pic related would cost a lot less than developing a purpose built station module from scratch
>>14741723Kill yourself, faggot
>>14745800something more modest that would have five times the capability of the iss.
>>14745800>docking into the fuel tank??
>>14745806What are you talking about?
>>14745800>>14745805The catch with wet stations is outgassing of propellant from the walls. If we are going to do it lets do it right with a film lining the tanks than can be removed once on station.This way you add a couple of tons and get something people can stand being in.
>>14745800>starship wet workshops are retarded for largescale projects but sacrificing one for something more modest like pic related would cost a lot less than developing a purpose built station module from scratchbased on what? we've had one serious effort at doing a wet workshop station in AAP and they ended up deciding a purpose built station module was cheaper.
>>14745814Because reusing the Starship to launch several modules would be a vastly better solution than sending up the Starship, going through the trouble of converting the rest of the volume into habitable space, and then sending up equipment in more Starship launches and having the astronauts move every piece in through the docking port like it's fucking moving day, which also puts a strict limit on the size of your equipment.
>>14745808
>>14745823Your point?
>>14745824
>>14741926You really don’t get it. It’s not about making everyone anonymous. It’s about getting rid of people who are so stupid and egotistical that they post on an anonymous image board with names because they think other users know or care about who they are.They should be allowed to namefag for the sole purpose of identifying them so their posts can be ignored and they can be subjected to ridicule.
>>14745821>modulesweld together tubes or you're not building a station.
>>14745825Again, your point?
>>14745806>>14745823>>14745825google "wet workshop" stop being a retard
>>14745823>>14745825>a fucking passfag
>>14745825if it's a wet workshop then presumably they aren't going to have header tanks built in
>>14745814>they ended up deciding a purpose built station module was cheaper.Skylab wasn't purpose built, both it and the AAP wet lab were converted S-IVB stages and much of the tech that went into Skylab had already been developed for the wet stationthey chose Skylab because they had available saturn v's and and going for ground integration with more mass to work with is a no brainer if the option's there.
>>14745835>"we were too stupid">station explodes
>>14745833>>14745835You guys are also missing the point. The Starship in >>14745800 never had a header tank to begin with because it's not one that's going to come back down.
>>14743253I’m writing an original story about Anne Rice being forced to read fan fiction which features long passages of both original and existing fan fiction. I hope she likes it.
>>14745839>exactly what i just said>hurr u missed the point hurr
>>14745806>>14745823>>14745825>>14745835>>14745839>>14745845starship HLS has a nose docking port, no header tank
>>14745845Yeah, don't know how I glanced over that.
Why is header tank at the top of the rocket?
>>14745680Once the colonization wave begins, we'll have far more Starships on Mars than we need for return missions. Finding creative uses for them will be big business.
>>14745853because the head goes at the top of the body
>>14745853>It’s mostly to balance the ship during entry. After delivering satellites, the front is light & back is heavy due to engines & landing legs.From Elon himself
>>14745855header tank wet workshops
>>14745825Oof
>>14745853Because the big window was always a lie to get you to invest all your money. now youre broke and fucked and elon ran away with the cash. youre a total fool
reminder that starship has a huge barrel section of payload space. the header tank being there or not doesn't matter.
>Brig. Gen. Steve Butow, director of the space portfolio at the Pentagon's Defense Innovation Unit, said the satellite network has had a strategic impact, telling Politico that it had "totally destroyed" Russia's information campaign. JUST SELL HIM THE FUCKING ROCKET
>>14745823>SpaceX will have 3.5 ships and 3.5 boosters ready by the time SLS is supposedly launching this yearjfc
the year is 2041. estronaut freezes to death because his third-class cabin on dearmoon is crammed right next to the LOX header tank.
>>14745701>>14745714Length isn't an obstacle, simply assembling modules with wide adapter rings gives you whatever length you want. The only benefit of a wet workshop is that instead of the outer diameter of the station being like 8.5 meters it's instead 9 meters, big whoop.>>14745855It's uneconomical regardless of the cost of buying a surplus Starship, even compared to other uneconomical station ideas like inflatables.
Do we really need closed loop life support system for a space station?What is the mass of water + oxygen + military rations required for a human in a single year?
>>14745884Its payload bay is honestly pretty small given its size.
>>14745893This is the downside of fully reusable spacecraft.
Long March 6
>>14745893it's literally 1/3 of the entire ship.
>>14745890>assembling modules with wide adapter ringscringe
>>14745897i wonder how much extra LEO payload they'd get if they ditched the bay and just had an expendable adapter on the ship's nose with a fairing. it'd be way less steel and tiles to carry around.
>>14745898When will those bastards finish LM 9?
>>14745875This, but on the ground rather than in orbit. Also hab modules, greenhouses, various liquid/gas storage, chopped up for pieces...A few, in the best shape, will transport people back to Earth (there will be returnees, cursed though they would be). There will be very little cargo from Mars worth dragging back - you only need so many rock samples, especially when you've got people running a lab on Mars to analyze it instead. It might be worth returning rocket engines that have been scrapped off the aforementioned hab/lab/etc Starships, since those are both an expensive part of the rocket and don't have much alterative usage on Mars.
>>14745923You could remove>sea level engines>header tanks>doors>burn all fuel>fins>tiles>rad alt ect.It would have to add at least 20 tons.
>>14745932>reading comprehension
>>14745923>>14745932>>14745937I'm retarded, I thought you meant non-recovered 2nd stage not just swapping the doors for a fairing.
>>14745186>starship (full stack)Will it be tallest ship ever? Are unbiased critics really unsure about the physics of it working or not?
>2022>I am forgotten
>>14745953No you're not, you are perfectly safe and ready for manned flight. You wouldn't have put anyone in danger with the guidance fucking up, an RCS thruster dying and a chute not deploying, I believe in you.
Tiangong space station is too hard to say, how about we just call it the orient station?
>>14746008or CSS
>>14746008In honour of orient express
>>14746008>Tiangong space station is too hard to saythat's a you problem
>>14746015No, that reminds me of that uncommon nonsense sceptic tank dude
>>14745915That's not an argument.
>>14746019don't think about retards at all
>>14745923>>14745937>Just completely redesign Starship and its flight profile to save a few tons of mass, bro
>>14746024You think this is built from docked modules?
>>14745952physics aren't the issue. cost, practicality and reliability are
>>14746054No but that's not built from retrofitting a spent stage either, ignoring that O'Neill cylinders are the work of science fiction.
>>14746074I'm not arguing for wet workshops. Just saying that modular stations are worse than you think. Weld it together in orbit from sheet.
>>14746086I mean coils of sheet like Starship obv.
Doomed timeline: SpaceX never switches to steel
>>14745565It is quite easy. Retards who use this argument do not actually care about Earth, or at least not as much as they claim to do. For simplicity's sake, let's just take the global GDP, which is approximately 85 trillion USD. The total amount of money spent on anything related to space in 2021 was at around $92 billion. This "space sector" is mainly composed and blurred with defense spending, think spy sats and black projects like X-37; Earth-monitoring and climate sats, and commercial sats. Even considering that a huge part of this is managed by the government and heritage contractors, and thus its cost will be orders of magnitude higher than it should be (hello SLS), it's still a mere 0.108% of our initial number. The amount that goes towards beyond-Earth exploration is only a tiny fraction of that. And the money spent specifically on the Starship program is, again, a fraction of that last fraction. So it was all just a rounding error. Meanwhile, let's go towards other "unnecessary" uses of our money instead of solving Earth problems. The sports betting and lottery market size worldwide amounted to $194.63 billion in 2021, the combined global theatrical and home/mobile entertainment revenue reached $99.7 billion in 2021, the video game industry is projected to generate $200 billion revenue this year, more than $200 billion have been spent on the upcoming WC in Qatar so far, and we can go on and on and on. Of course not a single soul complains about Earth problems when talking about these industries, but maybe we could spend a little less on Marvel movies, soccer, and Nintendo games, and instead focus on combating world hunger and poverty like they want? Although if we take these toys away from earthers they'll get very angry and defensive, that's for sure.
>>14746101>With this characters death, the thread of prophecy is severed...
>>14746008Call it Sky Palace then, that's what it means
>>14746101>SpaceX-carbon-fiber-liquid-oxygen-tank.jpgthat must be the methane tank given the size no?
>>14745557wait, it was Kim fucking Stanley Robinson, author of the Mars trilogy, who said this wtfhttps://farsight.cifs.dk/interview-kim-stanley-robinson/>My Mars trilogy is a good novel but not a plan for this moment. If we were to create a sustainable civilisation here on Earth, with all Earth’s creatures prospering, then and only then would Mars become even the slightest bit interesting to us. It would be a kind of reward for our success – we could think of it in the way my novel thinks of it, as an interesting place worth exploring more. >But until we have solved our problems here, Mars is just a distraction for a few escapists, and so worse than useless.the fuck is wrong with him
>>14746008transdong station
>>14746149IIRC it was a "small" LOX tank to see how CF went with the coldest propellant they would be using. At the time it was the biggest thing made out of CF and the answer to how does it deal with LOX was "not well".
>>14746117This.
>>14746054Welding in space is hard because there's no atmosphere to disperse some of the heat in, or gravity; so all the sparks and radiation and possibly liquid metal just flows everywhere and directly at you?
>>14746169hello retardposter
Is a ship on the way back with mars samples yet? Eta?
>>14746173Looks like you were incapable of answering my question, making you as retarded as me in this instance.
>>14746179Welding in space is not hard. Even welding with an arc by hand is probably feasible.Robotically welding with a laser or electron beam definitely is.
I really wish the schizo would just off itself alreadyThis stupid neet tranny schizo has lost touch with reality and is even posting with multiple personalities now
>>14746175two more decades
>>14746117
>>14746192>This stupid neet tranny schizo has lost touch with reality and is even posting with multiple personalities nowwhat
>>14746152he's a commie, didn't you know ?
>>14745593Why pay the maintenance costs of keeping something in orbit forever? When you need to land to restock and presumably drop manufactured goods anyway. Same with tourism and extended stay research. StarShip will have endurance capabilities to reach Mars that directly translate to puttzing around LEO for a bit and landing. Short of massive manufacturing or extreme duration tests. One would be hard pressed to justify anything more than floating a StarShip around for a year and landing.
>>14746152KSR writes some good sci-fi when he doesn't let his politics invade everything, but he got a pretty bad case of Trump Derangement Syndrome and never truly recovered. Actually, it was probably W. Bush that did him in. His novels have basically been a straight linear descent from philosophical ruminations on abstract political concepts into direct analogy for contemporary political situations. It's sad to go back and read his earlier stuff and compare it to more recent novels.
I need to get this off my chest. I'm a closeted gay. I have been hiding it from everyone. Nobody suspects a thing. On evenings where I need to spill my putrid seed, the only thing that can satisfy my insatiable lust to breed is strong handsome roughneck out in the oil fields. I dress up and drive out to the rig once the supervisor is gone. Just me and the rig workers. I get passed around and analy destroyed by these buff hot cowboys. After my thirst for piping hot oil is quelched, I drive home to my studio apartment. I also enjoy space.
>>14746300based
>>14746300huh, never knew you liked spaceplanes
will we colonize space? things feel like things are falling apart fast-or is this largely an illusion of algorithms that feed off of spreading fear?
>>14745565A bullet
>>14746321Things are going absolute lightening speed, you just don't hear about it. Check out a few recent Marcus House vids for the huge amount of work currently going into ground infrastructure and vehicle R&D whilst they wait for orbital flight
>>14741758assuming you may still be following this thread, revamped and modernized CoaDE
License granted: Space Exploration Technologies Corp. (SpaceX)Dates: 09/01/2022-03/01/2023Purpose: Experimental orbital demo and recovery test of the Starship test vehicle from Boca Ch(...)https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/els/reports/STA_Print.cfm?mode=current&application_seq=117025this is not the same as a launch license. It is a specific radio license for the test vehicles and does not indicate a change in status.
>>14746351Yeah, because FAA is the one responsible for the launch license.
>>14746321If you have to ask, you need to go outside.
The FCC also does some licensing for rockets. For SpaceX, the FCC allows a spacecraft to fly up to 330 feet, but only at speeds up to 150 miles per hour, which is fairly fast, but not absurdly fast. That’s fairly typical for other launches, too. But there’s a bit of wiggle room there, too, which might allow SpaceX to have a bunch of rockets and ride them together, up to a maximum altitude of 310 feet.This is actually one of the few limitations the FCC does put on launches. The agency also limits the payload weight, in metric units. The Skylon rocket can carry 3,050 kilograms, but the maximum load must be 2,300 kilograms. While those are very, very heavy numbers, if the launchers do happen to be in formation, they’ll be so packed together that the excess weight won’t matter.But there’s the problem: These rockets aren’t going to fly together; the main one, along with the Tesla, won’t fly together. The Falcon Heavy is going to fly in several sections
>>14741718Man, MTV Copernicus was such a cool vehicle.
>>14746331absurdly based
>>14746351Sept earliest.Hopefully middle of Sept for my birthday present.
>>14743132Starships would serve well as temporary stations, but their best role would undoubtedly be launching huge modules into desired orbits. Starship will pave the way to the first large spinning stations and will probably live on in history as the first surface-to-orbit freight ship, like an orbital semitruck.
>>14746351Just hurry the fuck up already
>>14746397Be patient.
>>1474170424 new stamps from Laos, 1984-1987https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1h29srcvlAMsyfHFR-m9b7eTfnBispdiY?usp=sharing
big oof for starlink bros...
>>14746400Halley's comet was understandably a popular subject in 1986, so seems the Bayeux tapestry
>>14745656Wet workshops would be cool as shit for disposable rocket tanks like SLS, that basically go into orbital velocity before being trashed anyways. It's cannibalizing perfectly good starships that I'm not to enthusiastic about, especially the ones that are meant to land. Though, I could see the HLS starship being wet workshopped into tanker stations with spare raptors.
>>14746401it's over
>>14746405And a rare example of a Kosmos mission getting a stamp, Kosmos-97 to be exact.Ironically the same stamp series accidentally calls a Sputnik-3 a Sputnik-2
>>14746401Probably failed to secure funding because SpaceX's plan is with Starship launching Starlink 2.0 sats and they either wouldn't or couldn't bet on a still-prototyping radical system.
>>14745881The big window could still fit, but it would look much more like a fucking toenail than an actual canopy window. Or a shuttle-esque cockpit window with a large window behind.
>>14746423just attach an inflatable observation bubble
>>14746397Take a seat, young muskrat.
>road is openit's over
North Korea will be the first on Mars.
Are Canada arms available to the public?
>>14746454My arms are available if you want me to beat your obese ass to death.
>>14746401
>>14746300it's ok fatty, just stop posting and we'll be good
>>14746401https://www.fiercewireless.com/regulatory/biden-appoints-rosenworcel-as-acting-chair-fcc>THERE IS NO CONSPIRACY.WEBM
>>14746461>>14746476
>>14746401good. subsidies are not needed
>>14746476Sabotoge at all levels
>this private enterprise didn't get 0.8 billion dollars gifted to them by the state>this is somehow a bad thing
>>14746509/sfg/ is full of musk cocksuckers, this is nothing new.
>starlink loses 0.8 B subsidy>Starlink wins 10B military contract
>>14746521>Starlink wins 1000 bazillion out of my asskeep coping startard
>>14746521>Starlink wins 10B military contractnever happened and never will
>>14746509When every other lethargic billion dollar enterprises in the same field do get it despite providing nothing of value to their customers, yes it's bs
>>14746533Starlink currently can't provide the speeds required for the subsidy because they oversubscribed their cells so much, so this is the correct decision and their own fault. The biggest winner was also rejected for that reason. Don't meet the criteria, don't get money, it's that simple.
>>14746509You realize there are competitors who get money the money right, which are all private enterprises.
>>14746540The whole point was that it would enable rural internet access. Its not just they're not meeting it, its that they're meeting ~90% of the required services.
>>14746547On top of that, they've been improving their overall average speeds over the last year, so they were very close to meeting it, they would likely meet the speed by end of next year, but they decided to cancel it instead of work admit that.
>>14746547https://www.ookla.com/articles/starlink-hughesnet-viasat-performance-q1-2022Their reason for denying Starlink seems more like an excuse than an actual problem with Starlink. Likely due to political ideology influencing the decision to punish Musk for going against Biden. Same reason California is punishing Musk right now with Tesla, same reason they've punished SpaceX in the past for Tesla.
>>14746554In anycase, the faster SpaceX/Starlink becomes profitable, the better it is for them. They can then brag that they'll shit on all the government funded projects. Being married to government is a problem if you go against the political ideology thats in charge of the government. The sooner they get out of Earth's government and establish their own self-sufficiency, the better. Ultimate goal should always be sovereign/independence on Mars
>>14746152>People ignore the central message of his last few books1. Humans are shitty to each other regardless of cultural values2. If we go to space with our problems unsolved we will bring those problems with us3. We are so bad at science that any self-sustaining system is a fantasy
>>14746588So basically, "I hate humans" nonsense. This is basically liberal ideology at work.
Why are earthers so disgusting?
If Starlink is available in your area and you're not a customer you're morally a bad person and you should feel bad about yourself. Shame on you. The money spend on it would advance space technology.
>>14746547>>14746549>>14746554The issue seems to be more the upload speeds, which the FCC release also points out, which are at 50% and decreasing. I also don't know if median speeds are enough for the subsidy, the language I can find always says essentially "at least" the requirements, so 90%/50% on median only is very far from meeting the requirements. Plus there's the issue of Starlink apparently not responding to the FCC's communications, which is probably the major reason for pulling everything instead of working through the issues and only pulling what they can't meet, which is hard to do if Starlink refuse to discuss.
>>14746607kek
>>14746608The problem is essentially they're measuring a problem without any context. Starlink has brought 500K rural customers in the US to the modern digital internet. Where does that stand in reference to other companies? Did they sign up 500K residential customers in the last year? 100K? 20k? 10k? The real world effective data is missing. The whole goal was to bridge the digital divide, if other companies fail to do so, but Starlink did it with half the upload speed and provided 500K with modern internet, that should merit something shouldn't it?SpaceX should request the data so they can get the real reason why this was the case.
After the spin tests are complete, what is left to do before launch?
>>14746627Static fireStackFlight licenseWeatherWayward ships
>>14746627Get a Russian orthodox priest to bless it, pay the requisite bribes, write a history report, conduct the usual rituals
>>14746627Probably some stage 0 stuff.More static fires (including full stuck, I guess)Launch loicense
>>14746632>boomer seagoers blocking flightsSpaceX navy when?
>>14746616Sure it should merit something, but if you don't provide the service you were contracted for, you shouldn't get (all of) the money, that's how contracts work, what other contractors do is irrelevant. I'm sure the FCC has more accurate data internally, if not they're stupid. SpaceX will probably sue and they should, if they really are refusing to communicate on some issues this may just be the FCC's way to get them to the negotiation table, even if that ends up being the courts.>>14746627Installing a full set of engines would be a decent idea.
>>14746648If FCC has accurate data (thats if they have it at all), which I strongly doubt. FCC sources Ookla for speed test, I doubt FCC keeps track of how many people are signed up through the program at all, other than what they read on the news
almost there
>>14746640>Launch cost $350 millionThe shuttle getting btfo by this shitpost of a spaceplane will always be hilarious
>>14746662holy autism
>>14746662How do they calculate it?
>>14746640Buran-Energia always makes me unbelievably sad. It's everything the shuttle should have been, yet the collapse of the Soviet Union killed it before it could be used
>>14746662>progress bar
>>14746640kino
>>14746675Shuttle should have been a small, top-mounted spaceplane, not the abomination we got.
>>14746688It shouldn't have, it should have been what Buran was. Liquid fueled and with a rocket core usable as its own launch vehicle.A top mounted little shuttle gimps your payload and limits it to only a crew transport, or with very small satellites. I think Buran would have worked best as something that would work side by side with TKS, TKS being a pure crew transport for stations, so that you don't need to accost an entire shuttle launch just for a crew rotation.
>>14746663The fact it launched and relanded crewless too is fucking amazing
>>14746588>humans bad>conflict shouldn't exist>its IMPOOOOSSIBLE to be self sustaining on marswhy are communists so cringe?
>>14746675>The Buran shuttle was designed to perform 100 flights to space, while its engines were ready to do 66 flights without replacement. During its flight, it lost just eight of its unique thermal-insulation tiles out of 38,800
>>14746701>limits it to only a crew transport, or with very small satellitesYes, that's the point. Expendable rockets at the time were a much more viable option for launching cargo to space. Soviets used Proton to launch their ISS modules and its cost was $65 million per launch. Meanwhile Shuttle was at $1.6 billion per launch.
>>14746738There was actually an orbiter that was designed to fit on top of the Proton
will there ever be another blue rocket? and dont say blue glenn or i'll kill you
>>14746758Tory tried to make SLS blue instead of orange but apparently the results were downright nightmarish.
>>14746738This makes me think, why didn't NASA just use a cheaper Titan IV rocket to build ISS? Its fairing was both wider and longer and Shuttle's payload bay.
>>14746738>>14746749MAKS were the most kino of them all. Especially because of the RD-701. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywbfCBxZ2uA
>>14746775Because launching the crew with the payload allows the crew to install all the equipment inside the payload in the same mission, saving time and money.Of course the US didn't have any other manned spacecraft in their roster
>>14746775The modules would need to be a lot more complex for that. Just look at the differences between the Russian modules and the American ones. Russian ones are basically spaceships of their own while the Americans ones are basically just pressurized tin cans.
>>14746770Sauce on this?
>>14746788he astral projected into a ULA meeting
>>14746758
>>14746797> almost Soviet greenI dig it
>>14746788Twitter. And it actually wasn't for SLS. He wanted to try it for one of the last flights of the Delta IV.
>>14746701what you're describing would still be an expensive piece of shitsmaller top mounted shuttle wouldn't have to deal with tile strikes and could have had a launch abort systemonly loss in capability compared to a full sized orbiter is retrieving large satellites (meme capability, basically never used) and always having a crew present to look keep things running smoothly, neither of these were worth the trouble.smaller orbiter means smaller price tag, this + delete the SSME and you can afford some of the fancier booster options that NASA had to ignore in favour of solids due to their lower dev cost, meaning this system would actually be more economical than expendable rockets
Just went in the garden to get some washing and I saw something pass over, N going SW, looked just like the ISS in slow steady motion but the tracker says it's way off atm and flight radar shows no planes around in any direction where it would be visible just over the roofline. Apparently not the chang station either. Shit pic but 100% was not an aircraft, a satellite maybe?
>>14746813What makes you think it was human?
>>14746817common sense
>>14746813Probably a weather balloon.
>>14746813it was me, got lost on the way back to venus
>>14746823Drifting over central London?
>>14746820you should be running not redditing
>>14746823Xeno claws typed this post
>what's this random satellite above me?Jesus, someone post that satellite tracker website that was doing fundraising
>>14746813it's real
>>14746813I saw a similar thing from Finland, moving SE to North. From where I was looking was about 240-250 degrees EastIt was bright enough to possibly be something like a booster or a wide span satellite
>>14746843What kind of satellite would be so big?
>>14746843celestrackyou could try heavens above too
>>14746859Thanks, bookmarking for future use
>>14745596true though, the problem is that the government will show up and shoot you if you do this
i saw a UFO in the sky, it stopped directly over me. suddenly i heard a voice say "ur a faget", i was hit with strange visions and when i woke up my foreskin was missing
>>147468961984
>>14745813it's just methane, which isn't an issue to breath aside from the fire and explosion hazards
>>14746896living in a van parked on the side of the street is very common in california
>>14746905>jews are an alien plant to harvest human foreskins because the aliens like to use human foreskins as chewing gum
>>14745862This is necessary, I do it in KSP all the time
staging when
>>14746959never
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