/sci/ - Science & Math

>>14715166
I seriously doubt a hurricane could do much to someone inside a car. A lot of people would have to spend a few hours in their cars, and a few babies would be made.
Hurricanes aren't huge tornadoes

The high tech futuristic electric cars are not for people that live in Florida anon...

>>14715166
My diesel Toyota got me from Detroit to Traverse City and back on 1 tank

>>14715171
Lol, hurricanes can flood roads and highways that make the water line higher than cars, look up videos silly. People standing on top of their car,

I can imagine Musk remotely limiting milage for Telsa owners "because of the energy shortage" and then selling the milage back as a premium option for gigabux.

>>14715171
Dumbest poster on /sci/

>>14715171
okay Katrina.

>>14715173
ye even regular car get fucked in the water/rust. florida sucks

>>14715243
could the world's richest green energy entrepreneur really conceive of doing such a thing?

>>14715166
not when it will be required that all cars operating in Florida also double as emergency lifeboats.

>>14715243
tesla already does an inverse of this by selling mileage-reduced models and then "benevolently" removing the cap in emergencies before slapping it back on after.

>>14715171
Good luck on your next hurricane road trip anon

>>14715171
kek. you havent driven in a hurricane. used to sit on the sea wall with 200kg weights during a typhoon drinking beer.

>>14715166
about as equally plausible as it is with any car, regardless of the source of power. pretty reasonably likely.

>>14715166
Kek, electric cars would handle hours stuck in traffic better than ICE cars because they don't idle.

i just want hydrogen cars

>>14715171
>I seriously doubt a hurricane could do much to someone inside a car
Oh no no no
>>14715173
>high tech futuristic electric cars
Electric cars are a 150 year old technology chud. And Miami is one of the richest cities in the world.
>>14717201
>She doesn't know engines can turn off and most come with auto start/stop anyway

>>14717230
regardless of improvements in ICE's for busy urban traffic, anon is correct that electric is always better in this specific regard.

it hardly matters though, cars of any type are only as useful as the infrastructure to support them. hurricanes damage that infrastructure. electric cars are also cringe.

>>14717239
Lol

>>14717293
what the fuck is your point? limited charging infrastructure plus long charging times meeting high quantity of electric vehicles equals system overloads? no shit. electric cars have loads of issues, and their purpoted environmental benefits are almost entirely a lie. but they idle better than ICE's, that's just a fact. fuck you and your reactionary polarization.

>>14717318
Sometimes you just get owned. You got owned by that guy. Let it go.

>>14715171
smartest poster on /sci/

>I live in Florida
That is a disaster right there

>>14715166
There was an electric stuck on I-95.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/01/04/imagine-virginias-icy-traffic-catastrophe-with-only-electric-vehicles/

>>14717374
I love this, electric car goes flat on interstate it's major news, ICE car runs out of fuel and the only reason it's reported is because the driver died. Those oil investers really will do anything to try and hold on a couple of decades.
https://news.yahoo.com/man-ran-gas-95-struck-153300084.html

>>14715166
Switch electric cars with gas-powered cars and you have the same exact scenario.
>oh no, what if everyone needed gas at the same time?

>>14717223
They're electric cars with an extra step. Why not just cut the middle man and get the real deal?

>>14717293
>queues at gas stations never happen

>>14717478
the average gas fill up takes two minutes
the average electric car charge up takes thirty minutes

queues at a gas station are a minor inconvenience
queues at a charging station are a clusterfuck

>>14717318
>limited charging infrastructure plus long charging times meeting high quantity of electric vehicles equals system overloads? no shit. electric cars have loads of issues, and their purpoted environmental benefits are almost entirely a lie. but they idle better than ICE's, that's just a fact.
>When you throw societies needs out for idling
No wonder it's the SoiNEET vehicle of choice.

>fuck you and your reactionary polarization
Fuck you and your polarization powered rollerskate joke of a vehicle.

>>14717413
>Those oil investers
Yeah the ones making your retarded EV's to profit off your virtue signalling you dipstick.

>>14717478
Yeah, in emergencies. Which as OP is implying would be worse for EV's because Electricity is the last thing you're going to be getting during a hurricane disaster. They can't haul it on all the diesel powered National Guard vehicles like they can for food and gas cans.

>>14717318
just buy a few more diesel generators and put up more charging stations, problem solved

>>14717469
They're lighter weight and faster to refuel

>>14717520
kek

this is one of the biggest ways that electric cars are a lie, there are others. our electricity is not green. it could be one day, but even then you'll never build and dispose of an environmentally friendly battery.

>>14715166
>Floridians fleeing from hurricanes
Lol, retirees from new york maybe.
True Floridians shelter in place.

>>14715267
Just don't live below sea level. Is that so hard?

>>14715166
Hurricanes show up in the sea many days before they arrive. They come from Africa, satellites cant miss them.
Just stay in any apartment building

>>14717520
electric sisters... are we ever going to live this down??

>>14717520
>>14717528
These charging stations are perfectly rational because they are almost never used but they extend the range for those few times when you need to make a long trip. Plus heres the bonus: They are twice as efficient as normal car engines, these are big diesels running at peak efficiency conditions, nearing 50% efficiency.
So even charging your car daily with them saves fuel

>>14717526
Its not impossible to get an electric car a new charge rapidly, but Musk steadfastly refuses to consider building cars with rapidly swappable, modular batteries because of his dedication to planned obsolescence. As it stands currently, he will never be competing with the used car market. Every time you see a 30 year old Volvo drive by, there is an any auto manufacturer nearby shaking his and screeching about how the owner should've been forced to fork over $50,000 for a new car a few times a decade.

>>14717604

>>14717620
>Musk steadfastly refuses to consider building cars with rapidly swappable
Dunning Kruger effect is off the charts
Tesla did build a system that could swap the whole battery pack in just minutes several years ago. Hardly anyone used it and the whole system would be way too expensive to be widely implemented. The current packs are designed to be structural and can't be removed and their design life is supposed to match that of the rest of the car, especially if you get an LFP battery pack

>>14715166
thats why we are going to use hydrogen, not some shitty ev battery powered car.

>>14717526
Hydrogen cars are not lighter than battery electrics. The Toyota Mirai, for example, is a 100 kg more than a long range Tesla Model 3, for example, and the Tesla has more interior & cargo space.

>>14715171
Excellent bait

>>14718021
Hydrogen fuel cells are basically DOA for passenger cars. The fuel cell stacks themselves are expensive, requiring lots of platinum group metals. When Mercedes gave up on fuel cell passenger vehicle development their head of R&D said fuel cells cars cost at least twice as much to manufacture as battery electrics. Hydrogen itself is an expensive fuel, costing more per mile than gasoline cars, much less plug-in ones. And hydrogen fuel stations are much more expensive than electric fast charger sites, running like $1.5 to $2.0 million to set up; in comparison the typical Tesla supercharger site costs about $250k or so. That is why Tesla has been able to criss-cross the country with chargers, while Toyota & Hyundai have sat on their butts and let the California government pay for the handful of hydrogen stations. Plus, you would need more hydrogen stations than fast chargers for the same number of cars, since home charging handles most of the commuters.

>>14718424
So you're saying that hydrogen cars would be even more expensive and exclusive than Telsas?
Mercedes missed a trick in the high end luxury vehicle market.
Imagine driving past a line of cuck'd Teslas waiting to charge in your $6,000,000 hydrogen powered touring vehicle and pulling into the hydrogen station for $2000 worth of fuel. The wagies operating the fueling equipment would probably be in tuxedos.

>>14717520
Give me one of those and an organic veggie burger that was grown in soil fertilized with blood meal and bone meal.

100% and it's why Florida's development is sussy. The idea of a hurricane evacuation implies that these communities aren't sustainable or worthwhile to live in if it can't handle the weather. Maybe build a fucking train to evacuate on instead? Granted, this is actually not a problem for Florida because Miami has enough money to bruteforce levy construction, as California is also doing. But shittier states namely Alabama, Mississippi and Louisiana do not. Climate change runs a very high chance of making coastal areas in those states untenable for human habitation, including New Orleans. NOLA itself will have to be raised, forcefully, through infill as Sacramento was in the past century. If not then it will have to be abandoned.

>>14720416
>very high chance of making coastal areas in those states untenable for human habitation,
Nancy Pelosi just bought a $25 million Florida waterfront mansion. She has more and better access to official science information than you do, she can even view the classified top secret information. If she thinks its safe to live next to the ocean a few inches above sea level, it is because she knows more about the climate situation than you do.

>>14720428

Just because rich people can spend money, doesn't mean they spend it wisely. And again to my other point: Florida can force things through because Florida, like California, has money. The smaller gulf states do not. That's where most of the damage will be.

>>14720428
>An extremely rich old person single digit years away from death bought a vacation house with 1% of her money so global warming is fake
Critical thinking isn't your strong suit

>>14720443
>Just because rich people can spend money, doesn't mean they spend it wisely
Just because ClimaChange hysterics repeating their lies does not refute them either.

>>14715171
>and a few babies would be made
Babies are made from sex between a man and woman anon, not waiting in a car.

What the fuck is wrong with EV drivers? Why don't they charge their car in their garage?

>>14721142
Going to the public charging station is a social event for them. Its like a mini oshkosh for people who don't own their own aircraft.
https://www.aviationpros.com/education-training/trade-associations-events/press-release/21276029/experimental-aircraft-association-eaa-eaa-airventure-oshkosh-2022-by-the-numbers-a-recordsetting-year
>EAA AirVenture Oshkosh 2022 -- By the Numbers, A Record-Setting Year
>Attendance: Approximately 650,000 – A record total (previous mark: 642,000 in 2019) and 7 percent above 2021’s attendance of 608,000. Pelton said, “There were several factors involved in the record attendance this year, in addition to the great weather. Programs such as the 75th anniversary of the U.S. Air Force contributed to exciting aerial displays all week, and it was a joy to welcome our international visitors back in full force for the first time since 2019.”
>Total aircraft: More than 10,000 aircraft arrived at Wittman Regional Airport in Oshkosh and other airports in east-central Wisconsin. At Wittman alone, there were 18,684 aircraft operations in the 11-day period from July 21-31, which is an average of approximately 121 takeoffs/landings per hour when the airport is open.