/sci/ - Science & Math

How does a methodology become corrupted?

>>14712218

By being infiltrated with liars who lie about their methodology.

>>14712223

I'm a biostatistician working for a firm that's sometimes contracted by the FDA. All of our, as well as their independent research, is peer reviewed and published until pretty tight scrutiny. There is definitely corruption in the agency, but it's more I'm the form of lobbying rather than what you're suggesting.

>>14712233
>peer reviewed

>>14712238

Just my 2¢, not trying to convince you beyond that

>>14712207

>>14712263

Oh the Sacklers are legit pieces of shit. They've been on and off facing legal trouble with the US for creating the opioid epidemic.

>>14712254
asserting that peer review is meaningful when you are aware of the replication crisis is being intentionally misleading

>>14712207
>75% of the budget for city buses is funded by people who ride the bus
It's called user fees, look it up

particle physicist here. we’re not “corrupt” per se but definitely the senior professor PIs spend most of their time on writing grants to “sell” their research programs to the funding agencies. and on top of that there is a heiraech of professors who team up to craft the best grant requests.

the physicists are not explicitly corrupt but the system favors very questionable ways of justifying funding to the point where it becomes a farce. the “best researchers” who secure funding are actually the professors who are best at making up fanciful over-exaggerations on how great their research is, and as a result devote all their time to that and virtually 0 to actual science

>>14712276
>we’re not “corrupt” but all we do is spend our time chasing gibes, we will tell any lie or exaggeration we can think up in order to lay our hands on other people's money. earning our own funds legitimately is beneath us, we steadfastly refuse to produce anything of value to justify the stolen money we are given. sure we all have super high IQs and could easily earn our own way, we just don't want to, we feel it isn't necessary when we can just lie and exaggerate the importance of our research and get money that way instead

you're a character straight out of thorstein velben, your twisted logic an snobbish attitude were laid bare for what they disguise by velben in 1899 when he published "theory of the leisure class"

>>14712207
Science is pure. Academia is the name of the organization which burnt the books of their opponents (I'm speaking of Plato's school from which Catholic church later emerged only to keep on suppressing voices of their opponents) so how do you think it's corrupt, to the very core it is, to the level of the necessity for all of us to come up with something new. Some online dataset combining all the writings and with a system of indexable crowd-review.

>>14712272

The difference is, buses are supposed to serve passengers. The FDA is at least nominally supposed to.serve the public interest.

>>14712233

You are a low-tier number cruncher. Your job is to repeat the same tasks over and over and not question what happens outside of what is handed to you.

>>14712276
>the “best researchers” who secure funding are actually the professors who are best at making up fanciful over-exaggerations on how great their research is

I remember when, as an undergrad, my physics professor was showing us his, rather cool, research. He laughed about how he secured funding by claiming it had potential applications that were, clearly, laughable.

Now just imagine how bad it gets in fields like sociology and medicine.

>>14712223
tl;dr

>>14712609
I think you have to separate the "corruption" of trick the military to fund your research by convincing them that they could weaponise it from fake results. If the heartland institute pays me for finding that tobacco smoke isn't causing cancer, that's a completely different problem from building a free electron laser because some midwit admiral thinks he can put it on a ship and blast enemy ships with it. It will still be a free electron laser. It will still be used for material science etc.

>>14712618
>. If the heartland institute pays me for finding that tobacco smoke isn't causing cancer
they don't need to, the government funded medical research council of the united kingdom already published that information ages ago.

>>14712618
>I think you have to separate the "corruption" of trick

Sorry. They have differing degrees of corruption, but it's ultimately the same thing. As soon as you start justifying small lies, bigger lies become more palatable.

Someone who feels conflicted telling white lies will not tell grievous lies. Someone who is in the habit of lying to get what they want, will not question the magnitude of the lie.

If you don't fund it publicly or by some rare altruist donations then private interest money steps and this is what you get.

>>14712663
>it's ultimately the same thing
No, they are fundamentally different. One skews the answers, the other one skews the questions. If I secure funding to research if playing video games causes cancer, that's a waste of money. If I just lie and say that video games cause cancer, that's a waste of money plus a lie. You can do honest research on topics that gained attention in a dishonest way. The question of how to distribute fundings is a political one. Distorting that does not compromise the search for truth, as long as this topic is researched honestly.

>>14712329
>The FDA is at least nominally supposed to.serve the public interest.
I will take one Biden subsidized "safe smoking kit" please.

>>14712218
It's not a matter of corrupting a methodology it's about using a methodology that's corrupt. Such as peer review, appeal to authority/popularity, etc. That type of stuff is not science as this>>14712233 anon implies. It doesn't matter how many blind men you have circle jerking over a matter they have no clue over, all you need is one with the correct answer that literally no one else could reconcile with due to their lack of PROOF AND EVIDENCE.

>>14712276
The very fact that you atomists still exist, reliant on theories for decades(millennia really) talking about the shit you do with no actual evidence or proof says enough about how corrupt you are. You literally corrupt with the implication that reality is somehow made of indivisible discrete units.

>>14712767
>atomists
Atoms are not fundamental particles, midwit.
>reliant on theories for decades(millennia really)
Right, who doesn't know Archimedes' quantum electrodynamics? What about the Euclid coupling between a scalar fliers and a Pythagoras field?
>with no actual evidence or proof
Um... what?

>>14712773
>Atoms are not fundamental particles, midwit.
>thinks I'm actually referring to an atom
Also the fact you got butthurt that I didn't use your conventions of "fundamental particles" shows that you really are one. No not "an atom", brainlet.

>Right, who doesn't know Archimedes' quantum electrodynamics?
What are you trying to prove with this statement? That a quantified description of electrodynamics explains how a magnet works? It doesn't. Still to this day it's a mystery.

>Um... what?
Yeah exactly. You tell me. The most believable one is a "proton", and the others go unproved.

>>14712791
>What are you trying to prove with this statement?
That your accusation of using millennia-old theories is completely ridiculous.
>Yeah exactly. You tell me. The most believable one is a "proton", and the others go unproved.
Define proof. Do you have to be able to see it with the naked eye? Does radioactivity exist? Does infrared light exist?

>>14712831
Not understandable without context. But since it's Faux News, it's likely shit.
>>14712836
>Waah waah, cancel them, they use words I don't like
Fuck off, snowflake

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>>14712848

>>14712207
Foucault pointed out the lack of progress in the medical field

Fuck /med/ and their ilk, too happy that they are gone. Bunch of low iq circle jerks without offering any insight to anyone

>>14712207
It isn't science anymore. Virtually all fields got infected with "rationalism" by the 1970's. (physics much earlier)
>>14712618
>It will still be a free electron laser.
No it won't be free. Someone else didn't get funding because of it.

>>14712207
>>14712233
i trust the corporate scientific community to investigate their own research integrity and funding

>>14712848
obligatory

>>14712875
>No it won't be free. Someone else didn't get funding because of it.
Please tell me more about physics and science in general

>>14712886
>complete nonsequitur
You do understand that the money/resources do not disappear when you don't get them to play with your laser, but will be used for something else, right?

>>14712899
In case you're seriously this dumb: the free in "free electron laser" does not mean free as in free beer, or gratis. It also doesn't mean it's a free laser, but one that generates light with free electrons (again, not free as in free beer). If you have never heard of FELs, you are disqualified from any opinion on scientific topics. Go lay some bricks, faggot, and leave science to scientists. I'm not telling you how to hold your mortar-shovel right, and I'm pretty sure it's not called that.

>>14712910
As always, the troll will abandon ship when he's embarrassed like this.

>>14712910
>>14712920
I don't see why I should be disqualified from discussion because I don't know of some emerging/marginal technology.

>>14712922
>some emerging/marginal technology.
My sides! Stop, you're killing me

>>14712927
So, why are you getting funding for bullding one as a researcher, if it's a well established technology?

>>14712942
Hahahahaha man please stop. Please. Just. Just turn off your pc and go to bed.

>>14712950
My PC is off and it's noon.

>>14712950
Anyway, is this a new shilling technique? Mock the opinions with no explanation? That seems extremely desperate.

>>14712957
Then go for a walk, europhoneposter

Governments corrupt it all the time.
Science funded by private interests where they are told to come with the BEST conclusions not muh biases. That is actual science.

>>14712207
The fact that publicly funded math, physics, and life sciences professors don't unify in pointing out the fatal flaw in our economic system, i.e. "economic/population" growth, and who the primary beneficiaries are, privately run construction, banking, and extraction corporations.. is all the proof needed to show their utter cowardice, greed, and contempt for truth and justice.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicholas_Georgescu-Roegen

They should know better!! The science is clear. Basic logic is clear. So clear that a high school student could understand it. What are we, a bunch of fucking locusts.. a bacteria in a pitri dish consuming our "sugars" until inevitable population collapse?

All most of these people have to support their indefinite growth world view is the hope that "science" (which nobody in construction, banking, or extraction know jack shit about) will always advance just enough to provide the technology to make such growth possible. It's utterly absurd and they should know better!! But they all collectively keep their mouths shut because they know their funding will dry up. There's a way of dealing with even tenured professors.

>>14712976
Depends on your perspective. The first one was built over 50 years ago. So it's about as much an "emerging technology" as personal computers.
>So, why are you getting funding for bullding one as a researcher, if it's a well established technology?
Why did the US Congress just pass $52 billion in subsidies for chip manufacturing if computer chips are a well established technology? No? Nothing? Well, it's not new, but research and development are still ongoing. Bigger, brighter, more energetic FELs allow better crystallography. And if the army dumps money into R&D, then at least part of it will also advance scientific FELs.

>>14712233
>rather than what you're suggesting.
He's not suggesting anything. Nobel prize winners and editors of major scientific publications are suggesting something, and you apparently don't like this since it delegitimizes the fraud industry that pays your wage.

>>14712979
>math, physics, and life sciences professors don't unify in pointing out the fatal flaw in our economic system
What qualifies any of them? Physicists should talk about social and economic sciences just as little as economists should talk about physics.

>>14712207
Science is self-correcting, so decreasingly
>>14712223
You mean the establishment, not science

>ummm sweaty???
>it may be that scientific institutions are infested with fraudsters
>but science, as in the imaginary abstract concept in my head, is self-correcting

>>14712207
There has definitely been an influx of soiboys lately who, based on a cursory understanding of some stuff like free laser and some other stuff like computer chip manufacturing, obviously completely taken out of context, are trying to derail the discussion here. Science can't be corrupt because... well peer review? I mean, there is some very good literature out there by those involved in it who show how peer review has actually come to serve the interests of those who falsify the results in the first place.
>>14713006
>Science is self-correcting, so decreasingly
>Mistakes corruption for falseness
Jesus christ.

>>14713004
Did you even read the article?
>Schrag says oligomers might still a play role in Alzheimer’s. Following the Nature paper, other investigators connected combinations of oligomers to cognitive impairment in animals. “The wider story [of oligomers] potentially survives this one problem,” Schrag says. “But it makes you pause and rethink the foundation of the story.”

>Selkoe adds that the broader amyloid hypothesis remains viable. “I hope that people will not become faint hearted as a result of what really looks like a very egregious example of malfeasance that’s squarely in the Aβ oligomer field,” he says. But if current phase 3 clinical trials of three drugs targeting amyloid oligomers all fail, he notes, “the Aβ hypothesis is very much under duress.”

>Selkoe’s bigger worry, he says, is that the Lesné episode might further undercut public trust in science during a time of increasing skepticism and attacks. But scientists must show they can find and correct rare cases of apparent misconduct, he says. “We need to declare these examples and warn the world.”

So no, millions of deaths and billions of dollars is blown completely out of proportion. Yes, they lied in 2006. No, it's not that 16 years all other research was completely in vain. No, 16 years are not 2 decades. But yes, it is a problem. But also, scientific research has uncovered this fraud, so if you want to criticise, come up with something better. Wait, Kobe of your alternatives uncovered that fraud? Then how could this be better?

>>14713021
>b-b-but 16 years is not 20!!
I'm glad you agree with me that your soience establishment is a fraud. Not sure why you're sharting out snopes-tier debooking. Are you paid for this or have the nonhuman NPC hordes just been trained in to do it automatically?

>>14713022
>I'm glad you agree with me that your soience establishment is a fraud.
I wholeheartedly disagree, mister 16==20. "The soience established" did what none of you whiners managed: it uncovered fraud.

>ummm sweaty?!?!?!
>they've only been defrauding grandpa for 16 years
>not two decades
>fake news status: MOSTLY FALSE

>ummmm sweaty?!?!
>so what of my soience establishment defrauds the public regularly??
>once in two decades someone actually calls out one instance of fraud
>that means the system is working!!

>>14713024
16 years during which you and your pals added nothing.

>>14713029
Their track record is much better than yours, brainlet.

>>14713030
It's not like the whole Alzheimer thing is little more than a money racket. I really don't believe in that "we want to help" stuff because there's too much money in convincing children of naturally senile 90-year-old parents that their parent's condition isn't the result of natural degradation but some very unlucky very sad brain disorder that must be medically treated.

>ummmmm sweaty!?!?
>you didn't uncover these frauds yourself!!!
>that means you need to shut up and keep trusting the experts!!!!
As you can see, at least half of the population is objectively nonhuman and needs to be physically removed from society. No amount of evidence will convince these mindless hordes that trusting laughably corrupt authorities is a bad idea.

>>14713032
It serves my cause every time egregious fraud is uncovered and you apologize and defend the fraudsters. Keep posting these opinions to demonstrate that you need to be killed rather than reasoned with.

>>14712263
>>14712267
Why are they still walking free men?

>>14713040
Because """the law""" is to keep cattle like you in its place, not for these fine men.

>>14713040
What law bans scientific misconduct?

>What law bans scientific misconduct?

>>14713021
>No, 16 years are not 2 decades
this is SO factcheckoid it hurts.

>>14713023
the establishment did nothing of the sort. one guy blew it up alone. and don't you dare suggest the actual amount of fraud equals the uncovered amount of fraud.

>>14713068
Oh, I see how it goes. So when scientists working for the establishment commit fraud, the establishment commits fraud, but when scientists working for the establishment expose fraud, they're exposing the establishment? Okay, chud... And I'm still waiting for you to show me what laws ban scientific misconduct, or to explain why there should be such laws.

>>14713068
Peak doublethink

>>14712207
>>14712218
science cant be corrupt science is a method, people who use science as an instrument for propaganda and rewrite laws are corrupt

>>14713082
You sound mentally ill. Would you like to explain your insane comment?

>>14713087
>Doublethink is a process of indoctrination in which subjects are expected to simultaneously accept two conflicting beliefs as truth, often at odds with their own memory or sense of reality.[1] Doublethink is related to, but differs from, hypocrisy.

>George Orwell coined the term doublethink (as part of the fictional language of Newspeak) in his 1949 dystopian novel Nineteen Eighty-Four.[2]

And if you still don't see what I mean, read >>14713073

>>14713092
>read >>14713073 (You)
I actually wrote that post as a parody of your mindless Orwellian mindset, so this is extra funny to me. Would you like to explain your insane post now?

>>14712276
>heiraech

>>14713097
Wait wait wait. Who are you? The whiny poltard who believes every word from scientists if it can be used against "soience" but spergs off whenever a publication goes against his believes? If so, that's the doublethink I meant. If not, then I didn't mean you, but the whiny poltard.

>>14713110
> Who are you?
I am the poster who wrote >>14713073 as a parody your delusional mental illness. Not the poster you replied to. I'm glad you identify with the mental illness being parodied.

>>14713115
>as a parody your delusional mental illness.
I'm not mentally ill, so you have to be more specific. I'm not the schizo who senses a big conspiracy behind everything. So if you call me mentally ill, is this projection? Are you one of those faggots who thinks all scientific data is forged? In that case, wow. You thought you wrote a parody on others and it's just the biggest projection I've ever seen.

>>14713130
>You thought you wrote a parody on others
I did, and it was spot on because you, the target of the parody, openly identify with it. lol

>>14713131
This is too many levels of schizos for me. I think it's safe to say kys

>>14713135
Does it make you angry that people more intelligent than you can predict everything your tiny brainwashed mind will think and shit on it before you even think it?

>>14713035
you will never be a doctor

>>14713139
No, why? Do you feel like others can read your thoughts? That's a symptom of schizophrenia, you know? Also,
>more intelligent
Is this what you keep telling yourself? That you're more intelligent than all those sheep that didn't drop out?

>>14713156
Does it make you angry that people more intelligent than you can predict everything your tiny brainwashed mind will think and shit on it before you even think it?

>>14713157
Spamming is a violation of the global rules.

>>14713158
Then maybe you should stop posting.

>>14713159
Why? It helps push midwit threads towards the bump limit.

>>14713160
>Why?
Because you're a revoltingly stupid imbecile. In any case, the only doublethink ITT comes from you. Your vile establishment isn't absolved by individual whistleblowers any more than it is made corrupt by individual fraudsters. It's corrupt systematically and inherently.

>>14713163
>whistleblowers
Look up words before you use them, Mr. Dunning.
Also, if I wanted to larp as a uni dropout I couldn't even come close to this comment of yours.

>>14713160
>Why?
Because you're a revoltingly stupid imbecile. In any case, the only doublethink ITT comes from you. Your vile establishment isn't absolved by individual whistleblowers any more than it is made corrupt by individual fraudsters. It's corrupt systematically and inherently. Its basic design is an open invitation to an infinite stream of lobbyists and greedy fraudsters, it amplifies the damage done by the worst offenders and it typically silences dissent.

>>14713165
>the tranny deletes her comment hoping no one saw her stupidity

>>14713171
You're a vile subhuman and everything I wrote stands completely unchallenged. In any case, the more you post the more justifications you provide for the physical removal of your segment of the population, so keept it up. People need to see why it's moral and rational to kill you.

>>14713169
Oh wow, you doubled down lmao

>>14713175
Point stands completely undisputed, troon. Seethe. :^)

>>14713174
>reeeeee
>vile
Are you going full Mandlbaur on me?

>>14713176
So what have you been up to since you dropped out? Just neeting and coping?

>>14713175
>>14713177
>>14713179
>0 arguments made
looks like a concession to me

>>14713181
>implying you cared about arguments at any point

Ok it was fun, but my girlfriend is coming home soon. Until next time when you deny climate change or make a post about how the Covid vaccine has no effect, yet magically kills.

>>14713198
>but my girlfriend is coming home soon
>the girlfriend

>Ok it was fun, but m-m-my g-girlfriend
Seething.

>>14712223
>look at this /pol/ screenshot of some schizo saying unsourced bullshit quotes he made up and attributed random people
>look at this man's penis
>you'll vote for trump now right

>>14713211
All of those quotes are accurate and the people they're attributed to are more than qualified to talk about it. You are coping and mentally ill.

>>14713215
>trust me bro
>LOOK at the PENIS

>>14713219
No trust is needed. You are coping and mentally ill.

>>14713085
>science cant be corrupt science is a method, people who use science as an instrument for propaganda and rewrite laws are corrupt
Tell me the difference in the results.

>>14712263
opiates and opioids are based and should be freely available in all good shops

the people who base their worldview on headlines and lying infographics are here to tell you the entire scientific endeavour and all scientific literature is heckin invalid

>>14713021
>Yes, they lied in 2006. No, it's not that 16 years all other research was completely in vain. No, 16 years are not 2 decades.
This is exactly why science is worth less than nothing. Only lazy excuses instead of admitting and not even the slightest attempt to fight the monstrosities of the criminal science mafia. But muuh 16 years are not to decades. The science dirt is self-righteous beyond belief.. I don't trust your cast as far as an rat can spy for overwhelming numbers of reasons in any faculty.

>>14713068
how many academic stings have you run?

>>14713320
spy -> spit

>>14713320
>ree the scientific globohomo nwo is tracking me
>posts from a phone

>>14713320
>>14713327
>>ree the scientific globohomo nwo is tracking me
>>posts from a phone
You must be way to retarded to know that WIN10 isn't a smartphone OS.

And changing subject is the only way you criminal liars can handle your subhuman behavior.

>>14713331
tell us specifically what's wrong with science mate
go into detail

>>14713337
>go into detail
go fuck yourself i know your tricks,

>>14713320
As a scientist myself, I have to say that this is fucking BASED.

>>14713352
>SCIENCE BAD
>ok, how?
>I DON'T KNOW

>>14712843
>Not understandable without context. But since it's Faux News, it's likely shit.
Supposed scientists saying that BLM protests din't spread COVID, but anti-lockdown/pro-Trump one's did.
No one wore a mask at either of those, on top of masks basically not doign anything when you're right besides a hundred othe people.

>>14713381
see
>>14713317

>>14713355
>>14713367
It's unbelievable, you "scientists" are not able to read even this thread were the critic is stated. There are tons of facts at your fingertips and you think i will spent only one second of my time to spoon feed you idiots.

Live in your self righteous rectum of your masters and spare me your stinky pours

>>14712843
>>Waah waah, cancel them, they use words I don't like
>Fuck off, snowflake
You mean like you cry, when we call obvious males, "males".

>>14713383
>UMM SCIENCE IS CORRUPT OK?
not an answer
go into details
i'm not a scientist btw, just a mentally ill neet

>>14713383
Indian.

>>14713384
What headline? I read the article, retard.

>>14712207

>>14712207
stop associating science with big pharma and capitalist businesses. That's cringe,

>>14712609
The CIA spent millions on 'remote viewing' and parapsychology because of this.

Faking results, insane predictions on the capabilities all in the name of securing additional funding to waste time.

>>14712609
What's wrong with that?

>>14712233
if you are a biostatistician and you believe in biomedical "scientific research" methodology then you don't know statistics

>>14713799
not an argument

>>14713799
why do you think the category of biostatistician was invented to begin with?
bio students can't do math, so they invented a term to describe a statistician who never learned math

>>14712207
>FDA
and burger scientism is at least bearable, the yuropoor liar institutions like CNRS are much, much worse in the bullshit they shit out and even go as far as defending the fraudsters when they're found out

>>14713814
when?

>>14713032
No amount of "track record" excuses shit like Macchiarini.
Anything even remotely close to "health" industry is safe to be assumed a fraud. And this assumption shouldn't change until your field gets its shit together.

>>14713713
>stop associating science with big pharma and capitalist businesses
https://www.theguardian.com/science/2011/may/20/drug-companies-ghost-writing-journalism

>>14713822
Peyroche, Jessus, even Voinnet a while ago
CNRS said something along the lines of
>falsification of data is standard practice in biochemistry, she did nothing wrong

>>14713844
these words mean nothing to me because i'm not french
qrd

>>14713839
nonsequitir

>>14713844
>>14713814
Wow
https://forbetterscience.com/2018/10/09/fraud-found-in-papers-of-former-cnrs-president-anne-peyroche/

>the French Academie de Sciences commissioned an investigative report about the papers of former CNRS interim president Anne Peyroche, and that CNRS and the French Ministry of Research and Education tried to suppress it
>The bigger scandal here is: if same rules of a misconduct investigation were applied to the other French top official in CNRS bureaucracy, the chief biologist Catherine Jessus, a mass retraction of her papers and a sack for Jessus from public service would be the only reasonable consequence.
>While Peyroche (rightfully) met the full force of French research integrity, Jessus received a different service: a phony whitewashing report written by herself together with her friend and subordinate Francis-Andre Wollman, Chicken of Dishonour Legion and incidentally also member of Academie de Sciences.
>That unsigned turd of a report by Sorbonne University declared duplications of gel band and other image fragments to be good research practice, while accepting the absence of all relevant original research data as something trivial and unimportant.
>After some French scientists dared to protest, over 500 of their senior peers, mostly from CNRS (including the past president Alain Fuchs) and several members of Academie de Sciences signed a Stalinist letter in support of Jessus and her data manipulations, while demanding the sacking of all traitors and whistleblowers, in particular the Le Monde journalist who dared to report on the scandal.
>And while Peyroche (rightly) faces some retractions, Jessus got away with some very embarrassing corrections, because the Committee on Publication Ethics (COPE) forbids retracting fraudulent papers without permission from research institutions, here Sorbonne University.
>Soon after, Jessus was prancing around with the big politicians, high CNRS and academia executives and Nobelist Jules Hoffman.

>>14713875
Wtf? I thought ETH was at the forefront of official standard heckin science?

>If you think it is sick and wrong, the situation is even worse than that. The gel band copy-pasting Jessus is responsible for, was never found in Peyroche papers, and Peyroche was accused of second-highest degree of research fraud already.
>Yet it is something the other infamous French cheater, the plant scientist Olivier Voinnet, engaged in regularly. Incidentally, Jessus and her colleagues at the CNRS institute in Strasbourg recently absolved Voinnet of all suspicions of data manipulations and blamed his former right hand man, Patrice Dunoyer, whom they sent packing to his far away home island of New Caledonia.
>Voinnet’s current employer, the Swiss ETH, was pleased with seeing Voinnet largely exonerated and announced to me that there will be no further investigations into his publications and not further misconduct evidence can be ever submitted against him in the future.
>Now, Peyroche is in the hospital while the French science elites prepare a show trial, with her being fingered as the biggest fraudster in recent French history and about to be sacked by her employer Commissariat à l’énergie atomique (CEA), which requested the investigative report. Which brings us back to the l’Express article. Apparently, Peyroche was about to be sacked, but then the Minister for Research and Education Frédérique Vidal intervened. As my sources indicated to have overheard, same Vidal allegedly intervened before on behalf of Jessus, ordering CNRS to hush up that affair also. Also, my sources alerted me to this interesting gel duplication in a paper Vidal et al, J Cell Science 2011, the author Vidal being the current government minister for Research and Education.

>>14713875
>>14713881
This butthurt axe-grinding constitutes evidence, somehow?

>>14713900
Hey, Anne, let it go, you were caught but at least you get to keep your grant shekels. No need to seethe so hard.

>>14713000
Opinion on this anon?https://www.sle.kit.edu/vorstudium/master-optics-photonics.php
I wonder if I'll be jobless after this.

>>14713022
>>14713024
>>14713058
>>14713320
Notice how they all zeroed in on the same single line rather than addressing the meat of the post. Remember, shills will never engage you honestly.

>>14713914
They're homosexual too anon. Sadly they prefer money and an object in their rectum over honor.

>>14713914
h-hey you can't call us shills!!! that's our thing!!

>>14712207
FDA is not the only regulatory agency.
The vaccines have been approved in literally every country in the world.

>>14712207

>>14712685
>No, they are fundamentally different.

You're lying to yourself to save your peace of mind.

As I said, someone is either honest or dishonest. Remember, much of dishonesty happens at a level where the person doing it is somewhat oblivious to it.

If you have no problem skewing your words to receive attention, it's going to present itself in everything you do.

You're believing in some fantasy world where peoples' actions are entirely separate from one another. You're believing in a fantasy where habits of thought and action don't exist. People are not dice rolls. Their actions cannot be said to be independent events.

If someone feels no qualms being dishonest to receive funding, they will likely think nothing of nudging data around. It may not even be conscious, but rather, present itself as a bias. Then you get the replication crisis.

>>14712886
>I cannot accept that being dishonest to secure funding undermines the credibility of science and makes me guilty of its corruption.

You will never admit fault, will you?

>>14712910
>It's your fault my language was confusing given the context

>>14712976
>is this a new shilling technique

Hardly new. Shifting the conversation and using insults in place of arguments is standard stuff.

>>14713006
>You mean the establishment, not science

Except the establishment calls its consensuses 'science'.

>>14713022
>have the nonhuman NPC hordes just been trained in to do it automatically?

Ding ding ding.

Most people are born followers. They fight over pats on the head from people they know are their inferiors.

>>14713772
>What's wrong with scientists lying about their research

You will never be a scientist. You will never make any new discoveries. To your face people reassure you about how important your 'research' is, but behind your back they laugh at you for wasting your time on fraudulent pursuits.

>>14713900
All you are doing is demonstrating to everyone the lengths liars will go to in corrupting science.

eye opening thread for normies believing that east asians jew and narcissistic white can be trusted lmaooo fuck science

Large sums of money motivate people to solve problems, fields with less funding make less progress. The system has to compromise principles in order to work, so we will never be able to fully trust the science. At the same time disregarding all of it is doomer misanthropy.

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>>14714452
>newfag doesn't even realize that you can reply to multiple posts at the same time

>>14713296
Not him but:
write 4 mg of retinol
actually use 10 mg of retinol

It's pretty common on undergrad practice labs

>>14714460
IFLSers cannot be convinced of the errors of their ways because they have their entire identities tied up in basking the imaginary reflected glory of science. If they weren't willing to make an effort to ignore all the corruption they see around them then they would have to admit to errors in their worldview, if they did that then their IFLS personalty would have to disappear, but what it there is nothing to replace it with?

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>>14713388
Not him but i guess he's talking about "glowies" or any other wretched hooman being
Even if you are mentally ill your sanity is above normies

It doesn't make sense, wtf

>>14714539

Yuri had a lot of truth, but he also mixed in poison. Whether it was out of ignorance, or intentional, I cannot say.

You can break through demoralization, though it takes great skill and patience.

Also meditation is the fastest way for someone to deprogram himself. His disdain for meditation is seemingly an attempt to discourage people from pursuing the most effective way at breaking free of demoralization.

>>14713219
I have a penis you can look at since you seem so obsessed with penis viewing. Go to /gif/ and I will post pics for you

>>14712233
>and published until pretty tight scrutiny
lol

>>14712233
>peer reviewed

Pfft lol

>>14714759
>>14714858
you're not fooling anyone

>>14714893
>YOU'RE NOT FOOLING ANYONE

Why do I still browse this shithole?

>>14715055
It's shit but everything else is shittier.

>>14712207
science is just is, just like nature who is neither good or evil, it just is. If you're talking corruption, it's scientists

>>14712207
>forbes.com
>clickbait

>>14712207
So when I went to school I didnt know whether I preferred Medicine or EE. In the end, I did EE, but not before dabbling in neuroscience and in particular genetics. At second /third year level in some genetics courses , we were forced to sign “moral waivers” AKA gag orders to promise to limit the “humanistic” scope and interpretation of any work we may do using university facilities and equipment. Interpretation: leave racial genetics alone. Of course, it didn't take me long to drop zebra fish and drosophila to look at racial genetics.

The moral waiver was nothing short of scientific censorship - Ill dig it up and see if I can make it anonymous enough to publish here.

This type of censorship was something I never experienced in any shape or form in EE or any of the Math/Physics course I took. The degeneracy and unworthiness of the scientific method seems to be confined to the biological sciences.

James Lindsay proved "peer review" is dead. Him and his colleagues wrote intentionally dogshit papers with proper vernacular and most of them passed.

>>14715183
>James Lindsay proved "peer review" is dead.
It certainly failed in his test case, but that does not mean it is "dead".

>>14715205
He had twenty or so test cases, not just one. But none of them were hard science, more like gender studies and other bullshit that has become so pervasive and part of law.

>>14715205
>>14715227
Regardless, humanities has infected every sector of life and it's based off nothing but dogshit and Sophism

>>14715172
>The degeneracy and unworthiness of the scientific method seems to be confined to the biological sciences.
they don't use math, makes being dishonest a lot easier

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>>14715205
>James Lindsay
why do people credit just him? it was a three person team including hottie Helen Pluckrose

>>14715183
Nice. Impressive.
How many of them were replicated and cited?

>>14715247
None because they came out and admitted they were fraud papers after some were up for awards

>>14715247
>>14715264
Ironically enough, sage (which accepted the faulty papers) is a trusted r/science source

>>14715172
>The moral waiver was nothing short of scientific censorship - Ill dig it up and see if I can make it anonymous enough to publish here.
That would be juicy

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>>14715317
When my cousin was studying medicine at UofMichigan his professor mandated that sources were to be a maximum of 5 years old or earlier. Basically lopping off centuries of information

>>14715241
She could serve as their mole into any SJW group. Do women like to think about being a secret agent as much as men do?

>>14715467
she is an sjw

>>14712207
ITT: /pol/tards desperatly spamming wojacks and stale memes to convonce themselves that their favorite populist talking head isnt a shit spewing grifter who tricked them into buying into a lazy ideology for clout and easy money. See also: flat earthers

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>>14715807
u spam the flat earth threads and then you accuse anyone who contradicts you in other threads of being a flat earther

>>14715823

I genuenly cant tell if this is satire or not

>>14715839
This is my first time posting on /sci/ in years. I wasn't accusing anyone of being a flat earther, i was pointing out a common tendency to respond to conflicting evidence with petty insults and bumper sticker reasoning, likely because aknowledging that evidence would make that person feel really stupid for being ticked into believing a retarded worldview. These people have too much ego to admit they are wrong, so we end up with threads like this.

>>14715869
>everyone else is as much of an inflexible demanding toxic know-it-all as i am

The fact that this thread is still alive shows that /sci/ is completely overrun by glowing /pol/turds

>>14715876
Ok. Prove me wrong. Can you explain how an equitorial mount works on a flat earth?

>>14715898
u spam the flat earth threads and then you accuse anyone who contradicts you in other threads of being a flat earther

>>14715882
This thread being alive is proof that scientists are dying off from the mysterious science juice leaving /pol/ to take over.

>>14712207
>How corrupt is science?
100

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>>14713000
>Why did the US Congress just pass $52 billion in subsidies for chip manufacturing if computer chips are a well established technology?
Because the US is lagging behind China, I suppose.

>>14716185
fun fact: her advisor was Lee Smolin (her thesis is absolute trash too) and Smolin was funded by Epstein, he wrote in his book an entire paragraph praising and thanking Epstein. i wouldn’t be surprised if Chanda was friends with Epstein

>>14712207
Well the public doesn't want to fund pharmaceutical research so the pharmaceutic industry has to do it. This statistic just means you still have to review methodology and confirm reproducibility, which you should have been doing anyway.
https://astralcodexten.substack.com/p/lavenders-game-silexan-for-anxiety

>>14712207
almost all of them are fucking lefties and those who are not are silenced immediately
so fuck them

>>14716498
>i wouldn’t be surprised if Chanda was friends with Epstein
Ghislaine Maxwell was the lead moderator on Reddit from 2014 until she was arrested seven years later. She seems to have been the social media manipulator of the two. Reddit and a lot of other media is owned by the Newhouse brothers, Si Newhouse's kids, Si Newhouse was like the New York version of her daddy who was a Mossad owned London publishing billionaire.

While she was the lead moderator on Reddit, Maxwell spend a large fraction of her time promoting the type of political popsci faggotry which the IFLS crowd has now been trained to love and trust more than their own senses. Those same kike worshiping popsci faggots that she created on Reddit now plague /sci/

ok, so my findings to my own

>>14712233
>Biostatician
>Adds spacing before typing a single letter
You are a larping plebbitor and a bad one at that.

>>14718126
Let me gusss, you trust publications by the heartland institute and the competitive enterprise institute.

>>14716702
>Ghislaine Maxwell was the lead moderator on Reddit
I applaud this woman's work ethics. She managed to be uberjanny on reddit while runnin pedoring and I can't even shitpost on 4chan without screwing up my whole weekend.

>>14712207
>forbes.com
L0Lno fgt pls

>>14718877
What do you expect from global warming denying trannies?

>>14720077
Stop bumping dead threads.

>>14720083
Ok

>>14714759
kek, they get published UNTIL someone notices

>>14716032
did you just actually give your email on 4chan?

>>14713914
Notice how the line they all zeroed in on was absolute fucking horseshit and got zeroed in on very deservedly.

>>14721860
jeff.bercovici@latimes.com

>>14721964
Notice how they avoid the really critical part that would topple their fake outrage.