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why did they do it

Based russoids

>>14701074
>"Russia building it's own orbital outpost"
Lol, Lmao even

>>14701081
Gotta do something

Was Skylab the longest continuous low-pressure stay a human has ever had?
Were there any pressure related health effects that were noticed?
How low could you go for something like a casneed handjob inflatable and still allow humans to be healthy for years on end?

>>14701074

>>14701092
Salyut 8 will be glorious you chud

>>14701081
Methane detection IIRC, it's been the white whale for Mars science for decades

The ISS just flew over my house

>>14701120
It'd be pretty neat for them to keep the naming scheme like that.
>chud
cringe though, even merely in jest.

>>14701115
Oh I guess the last question is trivial. At a 100% oxygen atmosphere you can lower the pressure until the blood oxygen goes below maybe 95%

If you had the cow genome in a computer, what would you need to go from that to having cows walking around?

>>14701141
Two horny cows and a monitor, monitor optional.

>>14701073
maybe the industry should git gud then

>>14701141
One female cow, bull semen and a biolab.

>>14701138
They might as well. It's not like it's going to be built around something other than yet another DOS core.

>>14701074
They will walk back on this and extend as long as NASA is willing

It's going to be fun if the inability to maintain ISS after Russia pulls out becomes a campaign issue in 2024. SpaceX, whether it's true or not, can claim they would have the ability to keep ISS boosted and supplied if the administration wasn't all up in their chili all the time.

>>14701171
Isn't Cygnus capable of reboost? You could launch what, two at a time on F9?

>>14701074
I find it hilarious that no one officially remarked about their "emergency evacuation rehearsal" of all the Russian cosmonauts on the ISS a few months ago

This was planned for a while

Thanks, I hate it.
I enjoyed how space travel was one of the last areas where east and west still got to vaguely cooperate.

>>14701092
It will be so much better than ISS. It will have blackjack tables and hookers!

>>14701074
>>14701169
I doubt it, Russia simply doesn't have the money to continue ISS operations. They'll force the issue while they can still spin it as "Westfags BTFO" but Roscosmos is dying. They're going to work with the Chinese on the moon and try to build their copestation and that's it.

>>14701177
>>14700658

>>14701074
Does anyone remember that argument on mass optimization autism and how it would change with Starship?
I'm pretty sure mommy said something about it as well and that basically become a new part of the Shotwell gospel.

Go away attention starved fag
Your kind of "people" always ruins generals

>>14701188
That's not Cygnus, that's the Antares first stage. Cygnus OMS is made by Aerojet Rocketdyne iirc.

How important is Zvezda to ISS operations? I know it's called the service module and was essential in the early days of ISS construction but has much of it's work been spread out among multiple modules? Or is it still necessary in its role as a service module?

>>14701171
>It's going to be fun if the inability to maintain ISS after Russia pulls out becomes a campaign issue in 2024
manage any expectations downwards anon

>>14701171
Boosting isn't that much of an issue. Building a propulsion module isn't a technically changing problem even its been done in a hurry. SpaceX might even do it pro bono given how many crew Dragon flights are on the line between 2024 and 2030. Losing progress resupply would put even more strain on the American side docking ports but that could be solved by launching more docking adapters, which is more of an issue of will-to-fund given the short number of years the ISS has left.

The real problem is going to be keeping the essential systems on the Russian segment functional without a source of replacement parts or easily accessible technical knowledge.

>>14701196
IIRC it's still necessary because making it redundant would've pissed off the Russians years earlier.

>>14701191
Who are you talking to?

>>14701205
That "thing" a couple posts up (You)
This is all the attention you're gonna get from me

And he wonders why we call him a schizo.

>>14701171
They'll have bigger issues to argue about during campaign season other than keeping "that thing that was built to give the Shuttle some place to go" in orbit, but that discussion belongs in /pol/

>>14701169
well it doesnt say WHEN they will quit, just that it's sometime after 2024...that could be 2025 or 2035

oh no

>>14701184
Why would the chinks even want to work with them? They intentionally put their station in an orbit that latitude-challenged Ivan can't reach.

>>14701230
I dunno, they're officially collaborating on the moon base thing though.

>>14701229
>with blackjack and hookers

>>14701229
wait everyone stop what they're talking about and look at this. anon has breaking news

>>14701238
I don't read any post made before I enter the thread.

Will Russian new space station spin all the way to Mars?

>>14701247
all the way back down to Earth when it misses orbit

>>14701191
what the fuck

Another day, another bullshit claim by the russians.
Remember when they told NASA&ESA&JAXA to fuck off because they where going to work with the CCP chinks from now on, only to crawl back and act as if nothing happend.
Hell, nauka, their latest module was so broken that it turned the ISS In to a spin, do they really think they still have the knowhow to build a new station on their own.

Why is so much “Starship News” on YouTube just clickbait?

>>14701246
that looks fucked somehow
that is how it docks?

>>14701074

>>14701152
>>14701142
What if you have no living cows or even cow cells?

>>14701263
Russia COULD do it if they weren’t a shithole with a gdp smaller than Italy. At least Italy has good food.

>>14701246
>>14701269
It literally looks like some KSP docking lol

>>14701272
Then you don't have cows. You can't spontaneously generate cows from the ether, anon.

>>14701263
Well, the chink station is built on blueprints bought from Russia. They have the technology, they don't necessarily have the ability to stay sober long enough to build it without fucking it up forever.

Zubrin

The issues with Booster 7 testing are disappointing but remember that this is the very first booster they’re actually planning on flying (or were). Remember all the issues leading up to Starship’s 150 meter hop?

>>14701151
Good paying union jobs program

>>14701283
17 year old Zubrin in 1969

>>14701272
then it's 3d proonted artifical uterus that doesn't exist and is probably harder to build than a fusion torch drive

>>14701266
You pretty much answered your own question.
Because it makes good clickbait.

>>14701296
>>14701283
Forgot pic

>>14701273
They could probably do well enough with their current GDP and funding if Roscomos and the entire Russian space industry wasn't run by horribly corrupt oligarchs that fleece as much money out of it as possible

>>14701121
Perseverance doesnt have a methane detector, but curiosity has. They had to make space for the sample hardware, Ingenuity and MOXIE

>>14701317
Agreed. They actually have a lot going for them. A new Russian station by the late 2020s, and a lunar base by the 2030’s are 100% possible. It just won’t happen

>>14701334
Russia's inability to have any private enterprise that's not bled dry by by a corrupt aristocracy is going to keep them pinned at the bottom of the gravity well until the end of time.

>>14701323
where's the fuel for the main engines coming from?

>>14701092
I think they intend to repurpose NEM-1/2 modules originally intended for ISS. They already have Proton, Soyuz, Progress. So it's not too unrealistic.

>>14701229
Based Ceres poster

>>14701402
>They already have Proton
I'm pretty sure the Proton production lines are dead as Titan. They only have five more scheduled launches and they're in the process of decommissioning one of the two remaining Proton pads at Baikonur.

They're supposed to be replacing the Proton with the Angara 5, but who even knows how well that program is proceeding.

>>14701402
I always forget just how big the ISS actually is.

>>14701402
Why did they even bother sending the Prichal module to the ISS if they weren't going to follow through on using for anything?

>>14701420
>>14701402
Angara A5V is actually pretty cool. 45 tons to LEO and it uses a hydrogen upper stage (sometimes two) to augment the normal Angara A5. It would take four of them to complete a lunar landing with Orel, and three with a modified Soyuz.

>>14701401
H tank in the cargo bay ofc

>>14701074
Will we switch to a Joule standard for currency or is electricity-backed money a meme?

>>14701435
>>14701401
>Where’s the fuel coming from?

russia should build a handful of tiny space stations and have them orbit together. learn how to deal with multiple stations instead of just one.

>>14701448
They already did that

>>14701431
Russia's got a lot of cool ideas they're never going to be able to follow through on. I'd love to see them build a polar orbiting station since no one else is talking abut doing that, but that would definitely need the Angara since the Soyuz doesn't have enough throw to put a capsule into a polar orbit.

>>14701437
We won't, but we need to.

>The ISS Propulsion module was proposed as a backup to functions performed by the Zvezda Service Module and Progress spacecraft. Critical ISS functionality such as guidance, navigation, control and propulsion are provided only by Russian (Zvezda and Progress) and the European (ATV) spacecraft.
>A Propulsion Module would have been needed for ISS altitude maintenance and reboost, debris avoidance maneuvers, attitude control and propellant supply in the event the Zvezda Service Module was not available (launch failure, etc.) to the International Space Station.
So apparently there's been some thought on what to do should Zvezda be unavailable

>slowly reverting back to full cold war status with russia all over again
It's all so fucking tiring.

>>14701423
nnnnnyooooom

>>14701497
SLAVE UKRAINI!!!!!!!

>>14701437
Energy credits sound based

>>14701497
I LOVE the cold war we got the SPACE RACE and ORBITAL WEPAONRY

>>14701437
Yes but it's going to be kwhs

Plutonians

I want to build a plane.

>us vs russia again plus china and the privateers
space kino is back on the menu, perhaps we'll see people on mars within our lifetimes now

>>14701594
Nonsense, heavier than air flight is impossible. Just look at ostriches

>>14701608
Didn't the changs just add another module to ping pong station yesterday?

>>14701617
And the CZ-5 core is still in a decaying orbit. They said that they made some modifications so they could safely deorbit it into the ocean, but they haven't done that yet. We really should be playing another round of deorbit bingo

How the heck did they build the iss, the main portion was sent up with astronouts at the same time and they slept in it that night, they just turned on the oxygen system; and then when they attatch a new piece, there is the double door with space lock with a room in between to keep the oxygen in;

How much food and water does it hold, how often is more shiped

China should start a space station where they just keep adding more and more modules until it can hold 100s of people, and then 1000s, make large rooms and observation decks and banquet halls and a casino and swimming pool, and sporting facility, imagine space raquet ball,

Either scrap the booster or roll it back out you god damn fucking pussies.

>>14701631
How is decaying orbit avoided (thrusters?), what caused it? Why wouldn't they try to set it straight instead of crash?

>>14701635
>How the heck did they build the iss
Bit by bit

>>14701635
Modular space stations can only grow so big.
Besides the obvious financial downside of having a big pressure seal and a billion electrical and fluid connections on each module, the interfaces are also the place where fatigue and leaking happens the most.
If you want big roomy stations, you gotta start welding shit in orbit.

russia can partner with india to build a new space station

>>14701643
The core stage has to go all the way to orbit because the Long March 5B doesn't have a second stage, and the module they launched only has only has small thrusters for docking maneuvers, so it can't push itself to Tianhe from a suborbital trajectory.

The best guess is that they would deorbit it by relighting the main engines, which previous versions might not have been able to do, but they haven't said anything specific so no one is really sure.

>>14701650
>If you want big roomy stations, you gotta start welding shit in orbit.
Has this been done, is it hard?
What's the difference between that pressure aspect you mention?

Also everything always looks like it moves slow, if there was a raquet ball sized room, or let's say ping pong table, and someone hit the ball the same as on earth, would it travel the same speed?

>>14701678
https://awo.aws.org/2015/07/welding-in-space/

>>14701665
It was an error that they didn't get it to right orbit to begin with, but if they did it would have been stable?

Why cant they send up a few big plows with cushions (and or lock on attatchments on the plows and big thrusters?

>>14701437
What would that even look like? How would that function? What does electricity-backed even really mean? Not the obvious "one unit of currency is worth X amount of energy" but what would that do to money?

>>14701678
It's hard enough that people have been fine sticking with smaller volume spaces. There hasn't really been the need for it yet, either. The real attraction of large monolithic space stations is that you can do more of your assembly and check-out on the ground before launch instead of having an astronaut put on a space suit and fumble their way through a half dozen EVAs.

>>14701699
>The real attraction of large monolithic space stations
Also just the human urge to build bigger and bigger structures. To have less cramped quarters. More room for experiment.

>>14701684
Started off making it seem impossible but then it says there are ways it's possible and done.

There's no metal that is liquid at room temperature that when put on a crease and rubbed with pressure gets extremely solid and sticky?

>>14701423
Meh, a little over two and half times as much useful space as Skylab from the early 1970s. Ok, I'm taking a bit of a piss there since ISS has far more power and many more useful systems, not to mention that it hasn't plummeted uncontrolled into the atmosphere but still, it'd be nice if we were much further along than we are now.

>>14701492
NASA isn't known for getting things done quickly, especially over the past couple of decades.

>>14701497
Other than that whole bit about possible nuclear annihilation, the multipolar world was better for the common person in the West.

>>14701656
I do not want to imagine the smell

>>14701269
why burn more fuel and complicate the trusting when you can just have a probe make contact in a much simpler? seems legit to me

>>14701726
>it hasn't plummeted uncontrolled into the atmosphere
Yet

To be fair, that was mostly the shuttle's fault. if it has been reading in the late 70s like it was supposed to, or if they have kept flying the Apollo CSM on the Titan III, they could have prevented that.

>>14701743
Curry and mold

>>14701720
>There's no metal that is liquid at room temperature that when put on a crease and rubbed with pressure gets extremely solid and sticky?
Metals don't work that way.

>>14701678
>Has this been done, is it hard?
Cold welds have been done but unintentionally and with undesirable consequences. Not sure how viable that technique would be for intentional purposes.

>[Non-serious statement in good fun during content drought]
>[Overtly literal reply no fun allowed etc etc]
There, now when our resident autist does his thing, that faggot doesn't need to try baiting him.

>>14701678
all they have to do is launch a few skylab type stations and dock them. ISS belongs in the trash together with the Space Shittle and the Senate Launch System

>>14701770
Don't think we have any Skylab type station laying around in storage.

>>14701650
>you gotta start welding shit in orbit
Or you launch stage-sized kino instead of weak-ass toy shit that fits inside a shuttle bay.
Even inflatables are better than what we got.

Capture an asteroid and bring it back to high Earth orbit, then hollow it out and make a house out of it.

>>14701785
Wonder if Bigelow will ever come back or if their tech will rot until the patents expire.

>>14701783
Well, we've got the one extra, but I don't think the National Air and Space Museum is going to want to give it back.

>>14701790
Even if they could come back it feels like the era where inflatable space station modules would have been useful has come and gone sadly

>>14701229
cute pic

What does /sfg/ think of SETI?

>>14701854
Some people made a lot of money off the contracts. But it's never going to find anything significant.

guys i just read the start of the thread and apparently the russians are quitting the ISS to build their own. has anyone seen this?

>>14701115
What the fuck are you talking about you fucking schizo

>>14701888
Forget about that; there's something bigger happening.
Russia said it's quitting the ISS!

Have you heard about this!?

>>14701785
I wonder if SpaceX is thinking about a space station starship
perhaps a normal starship gets the job done almost as well by itself

>>14701897
no, i'd seen they were going to build their own station after they quit the iss in 2024, but not that they were going to quit the iss in 2024. seems like a pretty big deal to me.

What would happen if Vladimir Chelomei fucking died in the 1950’s? He was the mastermind behind the UR family, including the Proton, UR-700, and the RD-270 engine.
On the other hand, he split Soviet space efforts which led to the USSR funding both the N1 and the UR-700 until 1969, which horribly kneecapped both efforts and led the N1 not having enough money to build test stands and such.
I’m going to be honest, I’m just trying to see what’s accurate to get the N1 flying so I can justify my KSP Apollo Style career continuing past the lunar landings. Lol.

>>14701783
>>14701785
hivemind

>>14701936
>Venus discovered in 1610

>>14701936
When was Earth discovered?

>>14701921
>What would happen if Vladimir Chelomei fucking died in the 1950’s?
then the soviets don't develop a rocket bigger than the soyuz until the '80s. just messing with you but soviet politics were such a mess that it's really hard to point at just one thing that could fix them.

if you want to justify ever-onward-and-upward post-apollo the easiest way to do it might just be
>kennedy doesn't get shot -> no vietnam war -> no budget cuts -> lbj elected in '68 deadset on dumping even more money into his favorite pork-barrel project

>>14701921
Chelomei briefly taking total control of the Soviet space program after hiring Khrushchev's son is often cited as the first major wedge that slowed the Soviets down on getting to the Moon so that not happening alone might be enough to alter the outcome. Then again it might have divided Korolev's attention even more as he would have to handle all the military spacecraft that were handed to Chelomei as a compromise. Too many butterfly effects to really pin down just one small thing that can positively change everything

>>14701948
>lbj elected in '68
nah, he was getting dumped off the '64 ticket due to his yuge corruption coming to light. then something screwy happened in Dallas and all LBJs troubles abated

>>14701917
Technically they're going to quit "after 2024." This gives them a lot of leeway, since there are a lot of years that come after 2024.

>>14701921
The N1 and the Proton were both born out of an early 1960s initiative to produce a vehicle that could be used to launch large military payloads to LEO or be used as an ICBM for heavy 100 MT nuclear warheads. The main involved parties were Korolev with his N1 and its derivatives, Chelomei with the universal rocket family, and Yangel from the Ukrainian Yuzhnoye bureau with the R-56. The R-56 never really went anywhere, so without Chelomei you'd just get a collection of N1 derivatives covering the role that the proton filled and and Korolev being even more of a tzar than he was otherwise.

The real question would be if it'd give Korolev enough power to bully Glushko into making better engines for the N1.

>>14701948
My brother in Christ, the early escalation of the Vietnam War was 100% on Kennedy.

>>14701948
>kennedy doesn't get shot
I always heard Kennedy was in the process of trying to pull out of the Moon race and it was ironically his death that made Apollo non-cancelable as it became seen as his legacy project

>>14701854
They paid for my research, also most of the people who work there aren’t schizo they’re just signal autists who love pouring through data and looking for interesting things. I think if SETI actually found an honest-to-God alien transmission they would be perplexed by it but nothing more. Popsci youtubers and media editorialists would have more of a field day with it

>>14701959
the bobby baker stuff came out anyway and nobody gave a shit when goldwater tried to hit lbj on it. whoever worked on the piece may have fantasized that it would bring lbj down but journalists tend to live in fantasy worlds like that.

>>14701962
the "early escalation" was sending in glowniggers and couping diem, nothing we didn't do in a dozen other countries in the same timeframe. we weren't at war in vietnam in 1963 any more than we were in laos. if kennedy could go against the joint chiefs' recommendation to bomb cuba in '62 he could have just as easily told them to shove it after tonkin.

>>14701965
there's some probably apocryphal stories about how he tried making a deal with kruschev to kill apollo and do a joint moon mission, but he genuinely didn't hold much interest in the space program beyond beating the soviets. there's a transcript from a private meeting he had with webb where he said exactly as much.

>>14701437
>Energy is the currency of the future.

>And when at last it is time for the transition from megacorporation to planetary government, from entrepreneur to emperor, it is then that the true genius of our strategy shall become apparent, for energy is the lifeblood of this society and when the chips are down he who controls the energy supply controls Planet. In former times the energy monopoly was called "The Power Company"; we intend to give this name an entirely new meaning.

>Life is merely an orderly decay of energy states, and survival requires the continual discovery of new energy to pump into the system. He who controls the sources of energy controls the means of survival.

CEO Nwabudike Morgan "The Centauri Monopoly"

so who shot him

>>14702027
Me, but don't tell anyone

>>14702026
>One thousand cities beats one.
Based Yang "No time to write shit gotta conquer Planet"

Now that they are not allowed to drill for gas will spacex expand the solar methane farm?

>>14702026
It’s literally super easy to generate your own energy and it’s becoming increasingly easier. Governments disallow or hinder energy markets to keep their monopolies. If energy was a currency there would be less government, not more.

Not to mention you can’t print energy at will.

>>14701074
They never had a chance at all

>>14702080
>Now that they are not allowed to drill for gas will spacex expand the solar methane farm?
>not allowed
the absolute state of urfers, this planet should be bombed

>>14701756
Ive seen room temperture liquid metals? Metals that melt to hand touch, Ferro magnets, lots of weird things so thought id ask.

The linked essay starts by saying you die in 30 seconds, but then says there are techniques that are possible and have been done. So massive space station is possible?

And what's this difference about pressure between modules and welding? Is it the different shapes, or the way you attatch them, pressure locks, and vacuum seal and stuff? Where if you just made a big 100 ft by 100 ft cube, and then built floors of sorts, it wouldnt have the pressure effect of instead connecting 1000 modules?

>>14701801
>>14701783
They built something in the 70s it would be soooo difficult to whip up today? Twice as big and twice as better own would expect and hope

>>14702156
>it would be soooo difficult to whip up today?
Considering that we don't have the tooling to construct 6.6m diameter modules anymore, yes, it would be. You have to build the machines that build the station before you can actually build the station.

>Twice as big and twice as better
And twice as stuck on the ground? We don't have anything that could launch something the size of a Saturn IV-B stage. Starship is the only thing that could budge the mass and none of the sketched out designs could deploy a payload that large.

>>14702174
Superduper Heavy when?

>>14702174
What if a giant cube was made in sections, each section launched up then attatched.

And does shape have anything to do with orbit potentials, would a giant cube orbit differently than a sphere or thin rectangle of same volume?

>>14702174
I just want it to be big enough to have a raquetball room and a swimming pool,

>>14702174
>>14702192
Just stick a fuckoff huge fairing on the top like some kind of gigantic, hideous Ares-I

>>14701171
ISS is boosted by Progress, no reason Dragon or even Cygnus can't do the same with a little bit of work.
The whole station is nearing end of life though. Orbital Reef looks like it's going to be the winner for the new US led station.

Russia isn't gonna do shit as far as their own station goes, Roscosmos is floundering. They can't even reach the Chinese station on their own because it's inclination is too low.
If they quit the ISS there aren't going to be any cosmonauts flying until the 2030s at best unless they buy rides on Shenzhou which is fucking hilarious after them being all smug about NASA buying rides on Soyuz in the past.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3CMHKco9Hw

>>14702224
>Orbital Reef looks like it's going to be the winner for the new US led station.
>Operations led by a company that has achieved orbit less times than Astra
I'm sure this will be an excellent use of taxpayer dollars.

>>14702224
>ISS is boosted by Progress,
Isn't is boosted by Zvezda, which is refueled by Progress?

>>14702237

>>14702241
iirc they haven't actually used Zvezda for boosting in a long time

>>14702237
At least they have an engine that doesn't melt and eat itself.

>>14701092
You spin me right 'round, baby, right 'round
Like a record, baby, right 'round, 'round, 'round

>>14702224
>They can't even reach the Chinese station on their own because it's inclination is too low.
Why is this the case, what's this about?

>>14702237
Is this because to get their name in the mix they throw out the lowest price bid, and without any proof of ability the lowest price bid is chosen to win?

>>14702312
I still can't believe how they got away with that. The general public didn't give a shit. Had that been SpaceX it would've been over for Musk and company.

>>14701497
does that mean standards of living will improve to prevent nations falling to the rival ideology?
I'd enjoy a change of pace from our present march towards being a mongrelized slave state run by jewish supremists

>>14702237
Look at the bid selection statement, everyone else had bad arguments

SpaceX's proposal was a joke

>>14702321
If the public did give a shit, what exactly would happen? Congress can't call Rogozin up to the hill and force him to answer a lot of awkward questions in front of God and CSPAN.

>>14702321
It was a good artificial gravity test.

>>14701205
He's actually just referring to himself

>>14701894
retard

>>14702342
>The Gemini 11 (September 1966) mission attempted to produce artificial gravity by rotating the capsule around the Agena Target Vehicle to which it was attached by a 36-meter tether. They were able to generate a small amount of artificial gravity, about 0.00015 g, by firing their side thrusters to slowly rotate the combined craft like a slow-motion pair of bolas. The resultant force was too small to be felt by either astronaut, but objects were observed moving towards the "floor" of the capsule.
please tell me this isn't the only artificial gravity test in the history of human spaceflight, please

>>14702338
The USSR took every opportunity it could to point out the excesses and exploitative nature of western style capitalism. Since the West was fighting to contain the influence of the Soviets, they had to reign in some of the worst impulses of the capitalistic system. Once the USSR was gone and the US lead "International Community" became the sole superpower, there was no one to check that power anymore.
A return to a multipolar world means the West will once again have to care what the rest of the world thinks about how it treats its people and the people of the non-aligned countries or risk having the rest of the world aligned against it.

>>14702080
>will spacex expand the solar methane farm?
>solar methane farm
there exists no such thing in boca chica. they have an air separator and that's about it.

https://spacenews.com/nasa-no-notification-by-russia-to-end-iss-participation/

Lots of talk, no action as usual huh Roscosmos

http://nasawatch.com/archives/2022/07/does-anyone-kno-2.html
>It is June July 2022. The last time the National Space Council poked its head out through the curtains was December 2021. Six months. Does anyone know what they are doing?

Kamala Harris asleep at the fucking wheel

>>14702350
no u

>>14702399
Worst administration of this decade.

>>14702399
Weren't there rumors of the current administration closing the National Space Council? Or is my mind inventing controversies?

>>14702415
They were planning to, but they decided to take control of it for their political purposes. In other words, they decided to sit on it and do nothing because broadening the horizon requires collaboration with SpaceX, the only space company that has greater aims for future. Working with SpaceX is not in Bidens interest

>>14702426
This admin has been continually undermining Musk and his companies even when working with him increases the success rate of their own goals. Instead they decide to fuck with him at every turn.
Franky is quite pathetic at this point.

>>14702431
>nooo don’t say mean things about daddy
The FAA and NASA have given arguably preferential treatment to SpaceX. Space politics have zero to do with your left right bullshit

Why did the Soviets - who were commies - have more infighting and drama than the Americans with regards to spaceflight?
When Saturn V was selected you didn’t have the Atlas team protest thst no one build a retarded Super-Atlas or some shit. Everyone just went along with it.

I don't know if it's worth starting a whole thread on this, but say for instance, humans establish a colony on pluto, or on another star or something.
Would it be necessary to have a 'relay satellite' between the colony and Earth in order to have a fast internet signal? Or would just having a satellite in orbit of the colony be sufficient.
It's already over 2 days now for voyager to communicate back to Earth.
I'm kind of curious about this and I have no idea where to post my query on theoretical satellite networking.

>>14702472
Remember, in Soviet Russia if you lost at office politics you got killed

Just look at what happened with Beria and their nuclear weapons effort

>>14702475
The speed of light is the speed of light bro, I don't know what to tell you

>>14702475
The only reason you'd want or need relays is if your transmitter is too weak to send the signal the whole distance in one go.

>>14702477
subspace frequencies when

>>14702476
>Remember, in Soviet Russia if you lost at office politics you got killed
Not once Khrushchev took over. In fact when Khrushchev lost the support of the politburo he retired to his dacha in peace

>>14702475
>establish a colony on pluto, or on another star or something
the difference between pluto or another star is about the same as the difference between walking to the store and walking from alaska to chile
they should not be put in the same sentence like that

>>14702477
>>14702478
>satellite signals travel at the speed of light
well that answers my question sorry for being retarded
Still would be interesting if there was a place to read about theoretical networking technology, outside of digging through academic papers
>>14702486
i know its just a hypothetical calm down

>>14702486
actually they're pretty similar because im fat as fuck and probably won't do either

>>14701437
It would be pretty based and would probably cause a huge spike in renewables infrastructure, both federal and private. I'm not a greencuck but I can't argue with more domestic energy production.

>>14701092
More likely they'll join the Chinese station, bring along their expertise

>>14702491
If you have a network of more but less less powerful transmitters and recievers (maybe one in each planet’s 5 Lagrange points, so that even when the planet is on the other side of the sun the other relays are still close) you could use cheaper/lighter/less powerful stations because the signals wouldn’t need to go as far. It would also be more resilient to disruptions potentially.
I think we’re going to see a big update to the deep space network soon- once starship is operational.

>>14701171
The plan is to let it fail with the excuse that they're too busy killing all wypipo -- I mean resisting Right Wing Insurgents

Any word on that Trappist data?

>SLS block buy
holy fuck they really do want it to go for a 100 years

>>14702530
The guys doing the soiface was funny as fuck. That's 100% self aware. The man has aviators AND regular glasses, he knew what he was doing.

>>14702530
Literal basedjacks pointing meme lol

>>14702508
Except China has made it pretty clear they don't want or need Russian collaboration on a station. Russian "expertise" isn't really worth anything.

>>14702536
it was spaceguy5

>>14701678
>>14701761
There was a space welding/cutting experiment either last year or earlier this year on one of the Transporter missions I think

>>14702559
more like /ourguy5/

>>14702508
>>14702550
China utterly fucked Russia out of collaboration in Tiangong in a way that seemed shockingly petty for "allies" - the Russians requested a simple inclination change be made and airlock adapters be added so that Soyuz modules launched from Kazakhstan could dock with it and their response was "lol fuk u"

>>14702519
Here's Deagel in 2010, forecasting that the US population would see the loss of 50 million lives and $11 trillion in GDP by 2020

https://web.archive.org/web/20100430193954/http://www.deagel.com/country/United-States-of-America_c0001.aspx

>>14702568
Payback for 60 years of "lol we will sell it to you but not the repair manual"

>>14702568
Russia's coasted along on the old soviet glories for over three decades now without doing anything of significance on their own. Every major project they've undertaken has been a collaboration with a more vital partner and their contribution has usually been something that was designed before the wall came down, and may have even been collecting dust in a warehouse since that time. The Angara would have been a good way to streamline their launcher fleet, but that was a project that was green lit back in the early 90s and should have been a contemporary of the Atlas V and Delta IV. Now its not going to hit its stride until after the EELV's replacements come on line. They've launched no major science missions on their own momentum and have been junior partners in every other endeavor they've undertaken. You don't let the Germans get away with turning off your space telescope if you're sitting in the first chair.

The only thing they could have that's better than what the Chinese are doing on their own is their engine tech, and Russia made it perfectly clear in 2015 that they were too smart to sell it outright, so China's just going to sit about and wait for the collapse so they can buy it cheap from a middle manager at whats left of Roscosmos.

>>14702339
>SpaceX's proposal was a joke

An adapted Starship would have more internal volume than the other options.

>>14702568
I think it was more of “we really want this to be our own thing and maybe if you could get to our station with a better rocket we would let you, but we aren’t going out of our way to help you”
Based either way

>>14702568
It really annoys me how secretive China is with its space program. I'm even giving them the benefit of the doubt and saying I believe their missions have more or less went off as claimed, they just simply refuse to publish many pics or results of what they get. They landed a rover on Mars and then waited months before they even showed the world what it fucking looks like.

In comparison, Western space missions are usually incredibly open and publicized, even if it's intentionally just trying to get advertising or PR points.

>>14702568
Why is it so hard to approach it? I never considerd this, but only certain launch locations can ever reach certain orbit installations?

>>14702591
They're incredibly sensitive, and I mean people-will-probably-get-disappeared sensitive, to the perception of a failure on behalf of the Chinese government. Just look at their reaction to the possibility one of their rocket stages could have hit the moon. Or their current blase attitude about the LM5B that's coming down wherever it comes down.

>>14702314
China intentionally chose an orbit that Russia could not reach from their launch sites without a significant change of orbit after launch which prohibits Russia from launch any significant payload to it.

>>14702568
>>14702597
It's fucking crazy that the physicality of gravity field is so exacting yet so fundamentally undetectable

>>14702591
I don’t think they’re that secretive, it’s just that the chinks have their own ecosystem of social media so all the news makes it’s way to chinanet instead of twitter

https://twitter.com/jeff_foust/status/1552032536716627969
>NASA is outlining its plans to transfer SLS production to industry via a services contract with a Boeing-Northrop joint venture called Deep Space Transport LLC. The contract could cover missions through Artemis 14 in 2036.
ARETMIS 14 WEW LETS GOOOO

>>14702607
lmao how much you want to bet this is because of that Orion supplier webm

A single contract would hide the subcontractors

>>14701177
Cygnus can't boost without Russian attitude thrusters firing at the same time.

>>14702607
"The horse buggy company predicts 500% growth by 1930, as the public discovers the increased reliability and versatility of horse travel over this automobile nonsense"

>>14702609
its so they can lock in SLS
buy 14-20 at a time and then make it very hard to cancel

>>14702597
China optimized the orbit of its station for their launch site in Jiuquan. A Soyuz launched from Russian cosmodromes would need to do a bigger dogleg than it has fuel for to line its orbit up with the Chinese station.

>>14702618
Trying to avoid another Zumwalt eh, it's not going to work once Congress finds out how much that's going to cost

Imagine if we genuinely reach a point where the options are sending up a big Starship payload for $2,000,000 or sending up the same payload on SLS for $2,000,000,000

>>14702314
Chinese station inclination is at a lower inclination than the latitude of Russia's launch sites.
In order for Russia to launch into the lower inclination of the Chinese station they would need to do a dogleg maneuver during ascent or make a pretty big inclination change after reaching orbit. The Soyuz is rather small and doesn't have enough delta-v for such maneuvers.

The ISS was originally going to be at a lower inclination, but NASA adjusted it to 51.6° specifically so the Russians could participate. They wanted to keep ex-Soviet engineers employed in Russia so they wouldn't end up working for Iran or whatever.
Prior to China's launch of their station Roscosmos had requested that China put the station into a higher inclination so that they could visit it, but China told them to shove it.

>>14702607
The best response so far.

>It's almost like the SLS contractors are desperately trying to lock-in a long term contract before SpaceX, Blue, Relativity, and/or Rocket Lab show how obsolete their monster grift rocket is.

>>14702597
>I never considerd this, but only certain launch locations can ever reach certain orbit installations?
its a matter of delta v, orbital plane changes require a lot of it that soyuz can't meet

>>14702607
>$56 billion dollars in Artemis launches

>>14702621
>SLS for $2,000,000,000
50% discount huh?

>>14702607
Based Ballest giving a French kiss to his old colleagues. Thank you senator administrator astronaut

>>14702619
Depends, China could just allow Russian rockets from Baikonur to be launched over China, which would make the inclination go from 51.6° to 46°. The Soyuz would only need to change its inclination by 4° to reach the space station. The Soyuz has around 400m/s delta-V iirc and so it would (barely) be possible. You could probably put a freget stage on it as well otherwise.

>>14702621
I genuinely want to be the fly on the wall at NASA OIG when they get a look at Boeing's cost accounting and try to figure out why the fuck SpaceX can pull off so much more for so much less

>>14702622
Actually they could launch to it but not without dropping spent stages on top of Chinese territory

>>14702597
Russia (so far) can only launch crew from Baikonur Cosmodrome in Kazakhstan. Launching due east will put you into a perfectly circular orbit that is inclined to the equator equal to Baikonur's latitude; 46 degrees. This is the most fuel efficient way to launch, but it also has the bad luck to travel over land that's owned by China, and China vetoed that because the only people who are allowed to drop spent rocket stages on the heads of Chinese citizens are the CCP. So, launches out of Baikonur have to aim more to the north so they skirt the border, which is why the ISS has a 52d inclination to its orbit.

Tiangong has an inclination of 41d, which is what you get to launching into a circular orbit from Jiuquan, which is where all of the Long March 2F carrying Shenzhou's launch from. Russia, seeing that China wasn't likely to let them start dropping Soyuz stages on inner Mongolia, asked if maybe they'd consider putting Tiangong into a slightly higher inclination orbit so Russia could collaborate with them on potential future projects.

China then put their station into a 41 degree orbit anyway which was a pretty succinct way of telling Russia to get fucked.

>>14702652
You'd think the Chinese would want the Russians to respect Chinese traditions on the way to the station.

>>14702640
>The SLS and Starship are very comparable in cost per launch, once you factor in the Carbon Utility Neutral Tariff that has been placed on every SpaceX flight since 2023. The SLS, of course, waives this fee because it's grandfathered in under proven Shuttle-era concepts of expendable boosters and crews.

On the flip side, I’d love to see some hard numbers for the cost of building a starship stack

I might be the only person on /sfg/ that thinks this is possible to build

>>14702589
What were the price differences in all the proposals?

>>14702721
How do you heat up the water to 250°C?

>>14702721
its possible
they are actually pretty small
its just fucking stupid

>>14702721
That looks like a very eco-friendly design

>>14702603
>It's fucking crazy that the physicality of gravity field is so exacting yet so fundamentally undetectable
Is this true?

>>14702742
No, I'm like ~80% sure a non-trivial portion of the posts on 4chan are GPT-3

>>14702628
A lot of people go to school to participate in the rocket industry, those student loans have to be paid off some how

>>14702718
tree fiddy (millions)

>>14702658
No way Russia could launch from chineese soil,or hitch a ride and bring what they want? China should have plenty of time and money to let Russians ride in their rockets and bring what they want, it's what friends would do

>>14702748
The gravity field can keep a satelite in continual orbit (without the satelite regularly using thrusters?), this means the gravity field must be touching the satelites body and preventing it from traveling a true straight line (I know I know """""it is traveling a """"""true straight line""""" geodesic""""") yet the nature of this very real very physical very touching the body of the satelite field is not parseable, probable, perturbable, quantizable

>>14701124
Why does his face look like it's escaping the gravitational pull of his head?

>>14702771
ah, schizophrenia
carry on

>>1470276
Time and money, maybe, but not room. Not until Tiangong is fully built out and has room for six crew, and even then China will take cooperation with Europe first since they can get more money, technology, and prestige from an ESA collaboration.

Meanwhile, cosmonauts are unlikely to ever fly on the Shenzhou because then Russia would have to pay someone else for the seats, and they're well aware of what happens when you by space travel seats from someone who has a monopoly on transport to a specific destination, and they don't have that kind of money. The only reason they're flying any of their people on dragon is because it's a seat trade deal that's budget neutral.

But even if they could or would pay, they wouldn't because there's very little interest in scientific work at Roscosmos and there's nothing they'd be doing on Tiangong that would make the political headaches worth it. Even more fundamentally, Russia would never accept a position they were clearly the junior partner who was stuck riding bitch.

Even more fundamental than that, Russia and China are not "friends." They're two nations who can sometimes advance their own goals by being marginally polite to each another.

>>14702771
>probable
*probeable

>>14702776
Nah, the gravity field is physically very real as evidenced by satelites being made to travel a spiral path (around the earth and forward with the earth), the satelites would never travel a circular path around the earth unless Something Physical was touching their bodies forcing them to curve.

That Something Physical which does this, cannot be touched by our instruments. Some way, some how.

>>14702794
>quoted a post from 2010
For what purpose?

>>14702771
Oh, actually, if I'm understanding what you're saying, you're correct, but in the wrong way. Gravity is a force, so the physicality of gravity is trivially observable. You're not floating around, are you? But yes, gravity is currently the only force that does not have an assosciated particle. The strong nuclear force has gluons, the weak nuclear force has bosons, the electromagnetic force has photons. Gravitons has been suggested as the fundamental particle assosciated with the gravitational force, and we know how they ought to behave, but nobody has ever directly observed one. Gravity appears to be a force that appears out of nothing. It's really one of the greatest mysteries. Gravitons probably exist, but it's extremely curious that they've never managed to be observed. This is one of the few discoveries I actually try to keep an eye on in particle physics, it'll be really interesting to see how it progresses. It seems absurd that the "why" of gravity still escapes us, but here we are.

>>14702224
I could have sworn that I heard somewhere that Cygnus was now capable of boosting the ISS?

>>14702472
the us had a political will to succeed and the soviets didn't. korolev did his best work before sputnik 1 when okb-1 could go under the radar. once everyone realized what a big deal his work was every politician wanted a piece of the pie. they started splitting his team up and spinning off their own design bureaus that they could control. in the us it was just the opposite, where eisenhower and congress worked to consolidate the space program under nasa as much as possible starting in 1958 and the various nasa centers were forced to work together to a much greater degree.
people want to make it a contest between capitalism and communism. that's what siddiqi did in the challenge to apollo and while that's a fine book i just don't see it that way. the us government could do some things very well when they set their minds to it, and they did some things very badly. it was the same with the soviets. one side just wanted it more and was willing to put aside personal ambitions and rivalries to a greater degree than the other.

>>14702607
>Artemis averaging one launch per year

Like thats going to happen.

US has 4 commercial stations under construction by 2030. Six if Sierra does build its own station outside of orbital reef and if bigelow ever gets put back on life support

>>14702832
bigelow is dead
stop talking about them retard

>>14702835
So much potential waster :/

I dont know why Bigelowe cant get funding or whatever. He was planning on donating 10 million to Desantis so he aint broke

>>14702842
>>14702832
take your meds(estrogen)

>>14702842
bigelow didn't even come up with the inflatables
its NASA tech
sierra has a better version now

>>14702848
I will never be a tranny
>>14702850
Tru but Biglowes bubble was massive

>>14702842
>I dont know why Bigelowe cant get funding or whatever.
maybe because they went out of business?

Neutron is outdated and vaporware. Why does it get shilled so much?

When will Astra fly again?

>>14701678
>if there was a raquet ball sized room, or let's say ping pong table, and someone hit the ball the same as on earth, would it travel the same speed?
Yes. Things inside the ISS move slow because the people living in it choose to move things slowly and carefully rather than tossing things around at incredible hihg speeds.

>>14702568
>shockingly petty
I see you're new to Sino-Russian relations.

>>14702338
>does that mean standards of living will improve to prevent nations falling to the rival ideology?
No, propaganda is cheaper.

>>14702721
I want to see them attempt to launch this Kerbal monstrosity

>>14702544
looks like this is the original and someone had to shoop over the left guy to fit

>>14701189
Disgusting are a nigger or something fix your english retard.

>>14702721
looks like the US Capitol or something. Neoclassical government architecture.

>>14702804
>but it's extremely curious that they've never managed to be observed. This is one of the few discoveries I actually try to keep an eye on in particle physics, it'll be really interesting to see how it progresses. It seems absurd that the "why" of gravity still escapes us, but here we are.
Yes especially even more so that, it is butted up right against the satelites, and there's no pesky atoms in the way like on earth; right against the iss's body, one would think on the side facing away from earth, is where the force is coming from,

There must be 'somethingness' touching it's body, and it must be a heck of a lot becuase the iss is a lot of mass; the gravity field is strong enough that it braces the iss's momentum. Like if it was impossible for a nascar to drive anywhere but on its curved track.

We can see field lines via iron filings, and supposedly they are made of virtual photons, but have they been quantizeably detected? Have the particles that make up the non moving em field been singled out (the moving/radiating em field being em wave)?

Have experiments on a space station been done with electricity and magnets?

How different magnets react differently I space? And electric arcs?

>>14701074
Thank fucking god. Deorbit that waste of fucking money. Fuck other nations holding us back for 3 decades. America is going to moon without all of you cucks, again.

>>14702928
>without all of you cucks
Actually, we're planning on including the Euros this time.

>>14701120
What, is this your 8th low orbit space station? Ever think about finally going to the moon with that money instead?

>>14702832
Will any of them have a raquetball court and swimming pool?

What other cool things could be in space stations? A room where all the walls are thick foam covered trampolines?

A room where complex powerful electrical experiments and magnetic experiments can take place?

More animals? Have butterflies ever been to space (oh they wouldn't be able to fly would they) ? Have they done a lot of exeperiments growing plants, vegetables, flowers?

>this post is extremely low quality

>>14701203
I thought the ruskies said they were going to detach their modules from the station and reuse them for their new space station?

>>14702842
Inflatable seems risky doesn't it? Little space rock zipping by? Someone mis calculate their satelite toss.

>>14702865
Is that rocket all rusty?.

new shepard wet workshop station

>>14701276
Ikr, one has to love how jank yet somehow effective Russian engineering has always been.

>>14702930
And Canadians, and Japanese.

>>14702959
I'd rather have a Kevlar basket than a tin can

>>14701334
There is literally no way. The russians couldn't even put a man on another body while they were occupying half of the western world and at the peak of their engineering prowess.

>>14702963
millions of people living and working in suborbit.

>>14701437
Energy is rare enough and valuable enough to form a currency around, at least not yet.

>>14701962
Yes, but Kennedy was very against escalating it to a full scale war. He would have likely been reelected and by the time he finished his second term the north would have taken the south. So, it is very likely him not being assassinated would have prevented the shit show we got.

>>14702460
Evidence?

>>14702978
SN8 launch.

Space porn in orbital Starship

>>14702953
If a room in space was filled 4/5ths with water, and an astronaut entered the room, would there be enough oxygen, would the system work well enough? Or would the water stick to them and get in their nose and mouth and drown them?

How cool would it be to nakedly jump off wall and glide 100 ft through water

>>14702577
Care to explain how a 26% decrease in the GDP with a 8.5% decrease in the population adds up to a 30.5% decrease in gdp per capita?

>>14702984
NASA has warned against busting a nut in space, what are the negative effects of doing so?

>>14702988
torque

>>14702804
Relatively says gravity is not a force, it is a result of the curvature of space time. It just appears as if a force is acting on you, when in reality it is your resistance to taking the straight line path through space time. It's kind of like centrifugal 'forces'. Infact, you can use centrifugal 'forces' to simulate gravity.

>>14702988
post-nut lethargy

>>14702804
If gravitons exist, the standard model predicts them to be absolutely tiny in mass. It is essentially impossible with our current technology to even attempt to detect a possible graviton. I think I heard some shitty pop sci fact that claimed we would need a particle accelerator the size of the solar system to even attempt to detect them.

>>14702987
>26% decrease in the GDP
Look again, they were predicting a 75% decrease in GDP between 2009 and 2020 to accompany the eight digit American die-off.

When are more james webb pics coming out

>>14702992
No relativity doesnt say that.

You think it's not a force because you imagine the earth stationary at the bottom of a bowl, and a satelite riding around the wall of the bowl.

But the earth is moving; so imagine taking a bowl and sprinting with it, and there's a grape in the bowl, then we see how it is stuck to the inner wall of the bowl, and that the inner wall of the bowl is Forcing the grape from escaping into the space beyond the wall.

But the biggest mystery in this analogy, the most confounding, is that all the bodies at different distances from earth in orbit, which would be like a bowl with a million layers of walls...

So that led me to consider if the bowl itself might be rotating, and its not as if between the wall of the bowl and the center is empty, but full of a material (gravity field), and the rotation of Sun and Earth cause the gravity material to rotationally swirl, so it's like a moat around a castle that is flowing around it.

This is why it's easier to orbit the earth in its direction of rotation.

>>14702813
Looks like you're right, I knew they had talked about using Cygnus but I didn't realize they had already done it.
It has a small advantage over Dragon in that it's engines are not mounted at an angle.

>>14702607
>via a services contract with a Boeing-Northrop joint venture
The absolute state of grift and corruption. Why aren't normies getting outraged at this? Why isn't businessinsider and the media reporting it? lmao I can't wait for Musk to bankrupt them all.

>>14703017
Cygnus is only capable of boosting the station when Russian attitude thrusters fire at the same time. Otherwise the boosting turns into Nauka 2.0 Amerian bogaloo

>>14703020
>Contract is meant to consolidate SLS contractors under a single entity
>"Why are the two biggest SLS contractors consolidating under a single entity? This must be corruption!"
lmao

>>14702607
Northrop will purposefully tank the SLS program purely out of post-OmegA spite

>>14703008
That analogy doesn't make sense. The grape would only be stuck against the wall of the bowl when it is accelerating. You don't get pinned against your seat constantly when you are driving, only when you are speeding up. Look up how geodesics are used in relativity and what their consequences are.

>>14703008
Oh cmon respond to this brilliant exposé

>>14703045
>>14703046
is this just a coincidence? lol

>>14703046
Congratulations, you are the second anon after me to figure out the gravitic aether field form of quantized inertia.

what does f200w mean

>>14702994
>>14702991
BRRRRUUUUUH

>>14703007

>>14703056
fuck 200 women

>>14703056
https://web.corral.tacc.utexas.edu/ceersdata/papers/Maisies_Galaxy.pdf
here's article but i'm too brainlet to understand

>>14703045
Maybe thats why my intuition went to the rotation having some factor?

Or maybe this, the wall of the bowl is what is accelerating; because each new portion of space (easier to use sun as example because it's the one that's constantly touching fresh gravity field first) the sun hits, is accelerating the gravity field from relative rest.

It is the bowls walls constant acelleration that is constantly felt by the object in orbit.

Also I thought it was considered that an orbiting object is constantly accelerating?

Why doesn't one stick to their seat once they reach a constant speed, because inertia then establishes the body and car to traveling equally in the same reference frame.

Consider if a nascar track was shorter and a circle. Is this about maintaing a consistent velocity? Does the car speed up around a bend, if only by proxy of a bend being shorter than an absolute straight line? I am confused but ultimately fundamentally everyone is on this topic

>>14703045
The rotation of the field itself might play, and is there not some accelerating sling shot effect?

Instead of nascar track curve banks, let's switch to bicycle velodrome. Imagine a step bank curving around a semi circle, and you are peddling towards it, at a slight angle, but now also imagine the bank is moving towards you at some velocity, and it's possibly rotating in the direction of the angle you are taking

china launched their most powerful SRB a bit ago, its used for launching anywhere without need for launch infrastructure
https://twitter.com/Cosmic_Penguin/status/1552154445987065856

>>14703064
what are you even trying to ask at this point

>>14703072
>weight

>>14703072
>length 50+
the world's first dimensionless rocket

>>14703086
kek

>>14703008
Retard

>>14703091
cunt

>>14703086
way too old

>>14703072
https://twitter.com/Cosmic_Penguin/status/1552154445987065856

What is LV?
> theoretically fly from anywhere without need for fixed infrastructure ever
What the fuck

>>14703072
Astra BTFO.

Also with Astra abandoning Rocket 3, are they also giving up on the "rocket in a trailer" gimmick?

>>14703086
schfifty five

>>14703064
This is quite a confusing but interesting topic, I'll admit I am not entirely informed on the intricate details of relativity, but I believe I have a good grasp of most of the general effects. See >picrel, the car thing is not accelerating at all, it is at a constant velocity moving in a straight line on this deformed space. If you take this into three dimensions with relativity, then the exact same thing is happening to satellites. They are not accelerating (which is why astronauts experience zero-g), they are moving at a constant velocity in a straight line through space time. I believe a lot of the confusion comes with the most common explanation of how gravity works with relativity, the sheet with a heavy mass warping space time. This thought experiment doesn't really explain geodesics at all.

>>14703099
launch vehicle. Lurk way, way more

SRB is the past, you have to let them go

>>14703086
lmao

>>14703100
i remember astranon reporting that they will ship s1 and s2 in separate containers, so still containerized transportation

>>14703107
The stick will never die.

>>14703064
Also, I believe a lot of this confusion is because of Newtonian and Relativity ideas being used interchangeably. Under Newtonian gravity, a satellite is accelerating, and it is doing so due to the force of gravity acting upon it. Under Relativity gravity is not a force, and the perceived relative acceleration of the satellite is a result of the curvature of space time, but the satellite itself is not experiencing any acceleration. If you stood in the center of the pic I posted before and observed the car thing following the straight line, you would perceive that its velocity is changing, thus accelerating, to maintain the orbit, even though it isn't experiencing any acceleration. So they essentially give you opposing answers. The Newtonian one is the more intuitive, but less true to the real world. While Relativities answer is somewhat hard to wrap your head around as the mechanics behind what is going are complex and is alien, but is a better model of what is actually occurring.

>>14703086
idgi

>>14703093
Earthnoid

>>14703117
I fucking love the Ares design bros. It's so unique. I want to stick it up my ass.

>>14702865
It will gobble up all the dedicated smaller launches until another small reusable shows up.

New Glen second stage spotted

>>14703123
You're not as smart as you think you are.

>>14703072
>its a government provided engine from an ICBM

Imagine if people claimed Minotaurs were commercial rockets.

>>14703157
>>14703117
>>14703107
Ares I was so kino hnggggggg

>>14702721
I don't even care about how efficient that is. I want to see it launch.

Could starship be used for space manufacturing?

>>14703170
You got that from a handful of sentences explaining a basic result of Relativity to someone who doesn't understand the concept or any of the math? Should I have started with the metric tensor and manifolds so he would have never understood how gravity works?

>>14703235
That guy just has schizophrenia and he has been posting the same thing in all the recent /sfg/ threads. Don't give him (you)s.

>>14703235
Seething
>>14703247
I win
>again

>>14703056
It's how filters are labelled on JWST. F is for filter. 200 means it's centred on 2 microns in wavelength. W means it's a wide broadband filter.
The fact that is dispersers at short wavelengths is a possible indication that it's a dropout showing caused by the Lyman break. For the most distant galaxies these wavelengths correspond to light emitted in the far ultraviolet. Below a specific wavelength (Lyman alpha 121.6 nm) the hydrogen between galaxies strongly absorbs the light. This causes a dramatic break in the spectrum, which can be used to select these galaxies from imaging data.

>>14703056
It's how filters are labelled on JWST. F is for filter. 200 means it's centred on 2 microns in wavelength. W means it's a wide broadband filter.
The fact that is disappears at short wavelengths is a possible indication that it's a dropout caused by the Lyman break. For the most distant galaxies these wavelengths correspond to light emitted in the far ultraviolet. Below a specific wavelength (Lyman alpha 121.6 nm) the hydrogen between galaxies strongly absorbs the light. This causes a dramatic break in the spectrum, which can be used to select these galaxies from imaging data.

E ESA

>>14703200
>could a cubic kilometer of habitable room be used to do things
hmm

Why the fuck do moon denialists think that they should see stars during the day time in moon photos?

>>14703423
There's no atmosphere, the sky's not blue, does the sun light destroy the light from other stars, the sky is pure black, that's where the stars should be located and shining into your camera lens from

>>14703078
>>14703123

Instead of nascar track curve banks, let's switch to bicycle velodrome. Imagine a step bank curving around a semi circle, and you are peddling towards it, at a slight angle, but now also imagine the bank is moving towards you at some velocity, and it's possibly rotating in the direction of the angle you are taking

>>14703105
>lot of the confusion comes with the most common explanation of how gravity works with relativity, the sheet with a heavy mass warping space time. This thought experiment doesn't really explain geodesics at all.
Yeah because that's a 2d sheet representation, but gravity is a 4d medium.

What is the sun doing to a 4d medium that makes different bodies orbit it at different distances

The medium must be a material of characteristics we are not familiar with. Like some liquid plasmic magnetic ultra fine grain quatized bits of rubber metal

>>14703123
>the perceived relative acceleration of the satellite is a result of the curvature of space time,
The curvature of space time forces a body to orbit.

The sun is moving, the sun's gravity well moves with it, the gravity well sweeps up the planets, forcingly, behind the sun's path

>>14703409
eey ess eyy

>>14703423
Do not engage with those retards. They have fallen for a mind trap that is designed to keep you perpetually anxious and yet arrogant about a position that requires countless hours of effort to try and trick normies.

>>14700094
>are those the only ones that ever happen or are there any "off cycle" eclipses
Don't know if you still want this answered. Other cycles exist but all solar and lunar eclipses will be found within one of the 40 some active Saros cycles as its length is basically a integer multiple of three types of different lunar months which need to align correctly for an eclipse to happen. These are the synodic month, the anomalistic month, and the draconic month. Once an eclipse happens you can predict with certainty when and where a near identical eclipse will happen 18 years later, 120 degrees to the west and roughly 300 km north or south, depending on which pole the cycle started at.

>>14701138
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chud

>>14703165
Can't wait for it to just sit there for a year

>>14703247
>>14703247
Oh god I'm COOOMING
Shouldve bought TSLA stock back then

>>14702842
When they shutdown for covid, their engineers got jobs at other companies. Even if they were fully funded, they'd still need several years to get back to where they were at the start of the pandemic due to loss of two decades of institutional knowledge. Mr. Bigelow is 78, so starting over isn't really in the cards for him. His wife died two years ago and I don't know anything about his only child but he might be thinking about selling off the remaining assets of Bigelow and letting his heir do whatever with the money. But that's all speculation. For all I know, his kid might hate him or be a missionary in New Guinea.

>>14703429
>what is f-stop

>galaxies formed less than 200 million years after the bigbang
its time to change the model of the universe cosmologysisters

>>14703640
Not spaceflight related

>trees are a convergent evolution taken by lots of plant families
we're going to find trees on alien planets everywhere

>>14702361
Multipolar world actually means a return to mass scale violent conflict.
Like industry returning to the US is because of fears of enemies disrupting supply chains.

>>14703655
>we're going to find crabs on alien planets everywhere
ftfy

>>14703655
>>14703662
I think that low/high gravity will result in lots of evolutionary quirks

>>14703660
You're failing to scare me.

>>14703594
I still want it answered, thanks for pulling through

>esa is doing a year long study of multi-orbit constellations
they're 10 years behind america and the corporate world

>What a beauty! @Axiom_Space ’s commercial space station, for which we will provide 2 pressurized modules, is already taking shape inside @Thales_Alenia_S ’ production area of #Turin. Our company is definitely pioneering the future of orbital infrastructures!
https://twitter.com/Thales_Alenia_S/status/1552188008295694336

>https://twitter.com/Axiom_Space/status/1552030284748668931
apparently axiom is involved in the UAE astronaut's crew-6 mission? alot of countries are going to be sending up astronauts with them at this rate.

>>14703817
>No American flag in the warehouse
It’s over

>>14703875
French company.

>the new Russian station will be unmanned and only have cosmonauts visit when they can afford it
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

>>14703899
Yeah but Gateway is totally different!!!

>>14703903
>Orbits the Moon
>Orbits the Earth
HMMM.

>>14703898
So?

>>14703899
and?

>>14703915
No American flag will fly on French products. France and Europe has a strong anti-American stance.

>>14703903
Gateway isn't the ISS replacement, that's one of the CLD stations.
>>14703594
>three types of different lunar months which need to align correctly for an eclipse to happen
Sorry this part was confusing, I think it's technically two, the synodic month which would align the three bodies in a row and the draconic month which would place the Moon in the elliptical plane so it doesn't pass above it or below it to a fixed observer on the ground, and that creates the two eclipse seasons each year near the ascending or descending node. The anomalistic month takes into account that the orbit of the Moon is elliptical rather than a circle, so as the distance varies so will the type of eclipses possible and ultimately this is what creates the repeating pattern seen in the Saros cycle as each cycle is almost exactly 239 anomalistic months apart. If another eclipse falls outside of this period, it will be its own Saros series and have its own pattern that continues every 18.029 years

>>14703925
>What will we do with all the shit and piss?
>I dunno, just stick it in a tank and forget about it lmao
Skylab was based.

Fun(maybe) fact, the Saros cycle is in the manual for the Antikythera Mechanism. The ΣΚΓ shown here means 223 synodic months, at least according to Wikipedia.

>>14702980
That's SpaceX being SpaceX. In retrospect, SpaceX was punished and delayed by 1 year by the FAA.

NASA hasn't done any new projects with SpaceX with this admin.

>>14703977
Holy shit I never realized how efficient Mir was in terms of habitable volume lol

>>14703977
Starship will have 1000+ cubic meters

>>14702832
The only real disappointment here is a lack of two Starship Moon variants docked at the nose to form a super station.

>>14703817
What is Axiom and where does its money come from? First time I heard about them was the space tourist launch, now they're doing space stations and signing movie deals

Lockmart venture?

>>14703977
>>14703980
>ISS is only slightly bigger than Mir
>Requires football fields worth of solar panels
The truss makes the ISS look big. In reality, its just a line of tin cans.

>>14703980
Instrument clusters, power module, hoarding disease

>>14703991
blatantly false

>>14704024
former senior nasa iss people who decided to go into business for themselves. the owner had his own engineering firm that he sold too.

>>14704024
They won a NASA contract for a new module to ISS.

>>14701092
More likely than the US making its own station. Remember the shitshow that was skylab?

>>14704031
I think it has to do with the fact that there are a lot of experiments that require a ton of power on the ISS whereas Mir was less of a power hog. This is part of the reason why Starship station got shut down in the CLD program. SeX didn’t offer any plans on how the could externally mount stuff, and NASA wanted options where they could throw huge solar panels on
Energy production was listed as pretty much dogshit for SS

Any news on ASTRA / astranon?

Kinda curious about their next move, considering their repeated failures and that they may cancel a NASA program if they fail any of the next two launches.

>>14704202
Dead, both of them.

>>14704202
The silence on Astra’s part is damnibg

the faa is interfering with starship again
https://www.baynews9.com/fl/tampa/news/2022/07/27/public-input-wanted-regarding-spacex-s-proposed-100-acre-florida-expansion

lmao Boeing never met a contract it couldn't go over budget on, even if it had to pay the overage itself

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/07/27/boeing-starliner-astronaut-capsule-charges-near-700-million.html

>>14704229
Most literate /sfg/ poster

>>14704202
He’s dead. Shidded he self after Astra stock fell off the balcony

https://twitter.com/FedorovMykhailo/status/1552315825389985795
>Unpacking in times of war: not a brand new Starlink device, but rather ‘heavily injured’ one. Right from the hottest cities in Luhansk region, this @SpaceX terminal worked under shelling and contributed to the Ukrainian victory. Thanks for the service, Starlink!
video in the link

>>14704256
We're going to get brilliant pebbles all right, Chinese ones

I've got good news and bad news stampbro:

JWST is getting a stamp but it's a sticker

Ahhh I missed the press conference

THE FETCH ROVER IS DEAD, WE'RE GETTING FETCH COPTERS INSTEAD

https://mars.nasa.gov/news/9233/nasa-will-inspire-world-when-it-returns-mars-samples-to-earth-in-2033/

>>14704295
Amazing

>>14704286
Fuck.

>>14704295
This is so stupid. The Chinese plan is better because it has less moving parts and is straight to the point.

>>14704256
Incredibly based. Can SpaceX/Tesla send in armed employees?

>>14703977
Ngl, MIR was a pure kino mess.