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Starship based space missile platform

>>14688949
FTS Archive
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1KCJBL632oieD1r6JOh_5Eg9NTcf_-hH8?usp=sharing

39 new stamps, 2 new countries: 24 for Liberia, 7 for Guinea, 3 for Mongolia, 3 for France, and 2 for Bulgaria.
All African stamps are about the US space program, Apollo 11, 14, 16, 17, and ASTP to be exact.

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1JnTpiGNU9cnzpYZ_CiAtFVpT_kyexUy-?usp=sharing

>>14688971
>Benefiting mankind
if only

first for gas core NTRs

Starship orbital flight when ?

Do you have any doubts because there wasn't a single super heavy test flight yet ?

>>14688988
why would you test fly a booster?

>>14688988
>Do you have any doubts because there wasn't a single super heavy test flight yet ?
yes, but I'm confident they'll get it working after a couple of tries
100% chance they knock off most of the TPS tiles
50% chance superheavy doesn't land because its plumbing got fucked
10% chance superheavy just falls apart because of the vibrations

>>14688990
>Why would you test flight a booster
Dude there are dozens of reasons
>33 engines firing at the same time
>VIBRATIONS
>landing / catching mechanism
All that without risking a fully fitted Starship on top
Think of it like the early Starhopper, Sn5 Sn6 test flight

>>14689015
landing/catching can be tested on an orbital flight just as easily as it can be tested on a booster flight. vibrations are going to be very different when you have a fully fueled starship on top anyway, and if you want to test firing 33 engines at the same time it's much easier to do a static fire.
>Think of it like the early Starhopper, Sn5 Sn6 test flight
starhopper/sn5/sn6 were as much super heavy tests as they were starship tests.

Blue balls

where is booster 7? is it safe?

>>14689035
I still don't understand how they think they can get away with no sound suppression.

>>14689055
The sounds are within acceptable limits, engineers have designed the vehicle/launch platform around this limit. Regulators are okay with the sound limits.

Who else is crying?

>>14689061
the poor ocelots. they had enough problems even before hearing loss.

>>14689073
There are no Ocelots in Boca Chica.

what a beautiful game
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6NYKZkn6pyY

>>14689061
>>14689073
I meant the sound waves damaging the launch pad and/or rocket, retards.

>>14689162
See:
>>14689061
>The sounds are within acceptable limits, engineers have designed the vehicle/launch platform around this limit.

>>14689118
Anon, you can be spotted in every post you make. It is a trait of autism where simple jokes are taken literal, and nuance in language go right over your head. No fun allowed etc. You should create a tripcode, be our resident answer guy :)

>>14689174
We're all autists, here

>>14689174
Incorrect, the ocelots were extant but have been displaced. Attempted joke failed, humor not found.

What's that? Perseverance took this image.
Looks like some loose bit of string, but where would that have come from?

>>14689216
Likely something torn from the entry capsule after jettison, like cabeling.
Percy is still somewhat close to the discarded aeroshell at this point

>>14689216
parachute stringing

>>14688988
NET October

>>14689174
You sound like a faggot.

>>14689227
>>14689228
Weird how it just looks like random loose litter here on Earth, has anybody tried to catalog all the man-made bits of debris that have made it to Mars? I don't mean a list of rovers/landers, I mean cataloging backshells and airbags and ballasts and every other little bit of junk. Beagle2 had to have created a good field of debris.

>>14689299
There are some butthurt people in the comments wondering why it costs 100 million euros to store Euclid

Insight had similar costs when it got delayed due to a shitty seismometer

>>14689317
Well presumably everyone who would be using the satellite are still employed since they're the ones who need to know how to use it, as well as ground staff doting on the thing in its special clean room.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=184oxZJcHBk
NSS interview with Lori Garver

>>14689299
Why are euros such salty people, those comments are crazy

>>14689263
>Beagle2 had to have created a good field of debris.
Wasn't it confirmed that Beagle 2 actually landed perfectly but just didn't deploy its solar panels correctly?

I'd doubt that those are juvenile stars formed in the cloud. They look like they are either in the foreground or background, only visible because the picture was taken with IR and colour corrected later on.

>>14689369
ESA is one of those prestige projects they can't accept having shortcomings due to low launch cadence

>>14689299
https://arstechnica.com/science/2021/12/elon-musk-being-allowed-to-make-the-rules-in-space-esa-chief-warns/

No. ESA's head hates Elon Musk

>>14689299
is falcon even physically capable of doing the mission though?

>>14689405
didn't spacex almost trash an ESA sattelite once
plus he's a foreign competitor. Ariannespace isn't really a partner but more like a part of ESA

>>14689418
It was going to launch on a Soyuz, a Falcon could do it

>>14689424
Oh yeah I forgot about that hahah. ESA sent them a frantic order to course correct and spacex just told them to fuck off lol

>>14689426
Everyone in the comments are screaming about the vibrations of falcon, but then in the same sentence they say it should instead launch on an ariane with solids

>>14689424
>a foreign competitor
This is why we continuously shit on Euros. An entire continent of children.
>>14689426
Charitably I'd assume he was talking about the launch hardware needing to be adapted, it's not like you can just pop it into a different rocket.

>>14689424
No they didn't. ESA made a big stink about SpaceX/ESA email communications issues with regards to satellite right of way issues and tried to create a fake narrative of a malicious SpaceX attack.

Europe always gaslights American companies. Its the only way they know how to work with Americans.

>>14689436
I don't get it
are you denying that ariannespace and spacex are competitors?

>>14689449
No one's denying that, we're talking about the Not Invented Here syndrome that ESA has but only with American launch hardware

>>14689369
it's just the European character to let their image of themselves on the moral high ground override all sense of practicality.
>yes, we measure temperature based on the matter state of water that way you will easily know when water is freezing or boiling, otherwise there would be no way of telling

>>14689455
who else would they have it towards
>russia
is european and a backwater failed state
>japan
honorary aryan
>china, india etc.
no significant cooperation, certainly no euro gear launched on their rockets
america is the only country they can warrant seething at

>>14689471
there was the start of talks about more ESA and China cooperation, but they feel through during COVID and I haven't heard anything about it since

>>14689449
Yes, Arianespace exists because Europe (correctly) wants indiginous launch capability. There is no realistic world where SpaceX replaces Arianespace, simply because SpaceX isn't European. Similarly, Arianespace will never eat into SpaceX contracts because their rockets are more expensive, and underperform SpaceX in every meaningful way. There is no market that is seriously cross-shopping SpaceX and Arianespace.

For this example, it doesn't matter though. We're talking about TEMPORARILY replacing Soyuz so that ESA missions can continue, presumably until Europe can figure out how to launch satellites on their own. This isn't a policy shift, it's a single concession so that these specific already existing missions can continue in realistic timeframe.

If you're obsessed with apperances, and desperate to pretend that you're playing on the same field as SpaceX and NASA, maybe this hurts, because it feels like making a concession to a "competitor"
If your goal is to do what you can to advance our understanding of the universe and contribute what you can to the progressive of the human race, this isn't a hard decision to make.

How long would it take a nuclear/fusion powered starship to reach mars? The outer solar system?

>>14689496
A few seconds, and then you wake up

>>14689496
>nuclear/fusion powered starship
that doesn't mean anything
starship uses chemical engines. You can't simply replace them with nuclear ones and keep everything else the same.

>>14689372
I thought it left an impact crater visible from orbit?

This is it for SpaceX. Their lucky run is over.

>>14689216
>Looks like some loose bit of string, but where would that have come from?
it was there long before we arrived

>>14689456
settle down Fahrenheitcuck

>>14689511
>Imaging analysis appears to show the probe on the surface and partially deployed, in the expected landing area, with objects that have been interpreted as being its parachute and back cover nearby. Although several interpretations of the image are possible, all involve incomplete deployment of the probe's solar panels. Images suggest one of the "petals" on which the solar panels of the lander are mounted failed to fully open, preventing deployment of its radio antenna and blocking communication

>>14689531
I believe that the best system is the one that everyone uses, but I also roll my eyes at the pursuit of numerical, intellectual elegance over any practical considerations. It is very European (very German, really) to reject systems refined by years of practical, human experience as barbarism and instead impose a strict, scientific method on everyone when all they're trying to figure out is how to describe the size of the shit they took that morning.

>>14689542
Damn, I must have been thinking of another failed lander, I swear there was one in the mid 2000s that impacted somewhere. Maybe I'm just misremembering.

it's over

>>14689566
New Powerwashing Simulator DLC just dropped

>>14689552
You're probably thinking of Schiaparelli, a later ESA lander that crashed in 2016

>>14689550
you know that the french made metric, right

>>14689599
and the germans forced everyone to use it

>>14689550
But metric fits your description better; everyone's boiled water and everyone's seen ice. Everyone knows the two milestones that metric is based on.
We still don't accurately know what fahrenheit's 0 is, and the 100 is 37.777... which rubs against even number autism

nth for 5000 Isp, 100 kN demon core drives
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8erIJCoO2o

>>14689586
Watching that live was hard

>>14689607
Knowing the boiling temperature of pure water at sea level has never once in my life been useful. When I want to boil water, I put a pot or a kettle on the stove, put water in it and heat it up. I never sit there with a thermometer measuring the temperature and even if I did, it would still boil at the same point as if I didn't measure it.
Knowing the freezing point of water is somewhat useful in that you need to know when the roads or sidewalks might be slick with ice. But it's pretty easy to remember 32 instead of zero. And since there are many factors in the real world that cause the freezing point to be a few degrees different, knowing either value exactly isn't all that useful even though most are able to memorize them both easily.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixKfOK0UYaQ

40 mins till 2nd Starlink launch attempt

the only way the Fahrenheit scale could be gayer is if it was in base 7

>>14689586
Today I will remind them
https://www.romania-insider.com/romanian-in-conflict-with-italian-space-agency-over-failed-mars-mission
>ARCA Space Corporation, a company registered in New Mexico, U.S., founded by young Romanian entrepreneur Dumitru Popescu, was recently accused by the Italian Space Agency (ASI) of being responsible for the crash of the Schiaparelli module, on October 19
>According to ASI, the European Space Agency awarded ARCA the contract to test the flight and entry into atmosphere of the module, which was worth EUR 1.1 million. ARCA, however, ran into a series of problems and cancelled the tests ASI told Italian newspaper La Repubblica. The Italian newspaper also wrote that Dumitru Popescu, who graduated theology, is a dreamer who has had many failures in his projects. The paper also mentioned that the Romanian Space Agency had described his company as a “group of amateurs looking only for publicity”.
>ARCA’s founder Dumitru Popescu initially said that some tests on this projects couldn’t be carried out because the region where they should have taken place was close to Crimea, which had just been occupied by Russia, which could have led to a war between NATO and Russia, according to local News.ro.
>On Thursday evening, ARCA issued an official statement denying ASI’s allegations. The company says that it was only in charge of testing the parachute used for Schiaparelli’s landing on Mars, which worked fine, according to the European Space Agency’s preliminary investigation results.

>>14688986
>t. Weaboo cuckhold

Alright, I've posted this idea before (and got flamed to hell and back) but I want some serious advice and critique on my pet project.

>500-tonne to LEO class fully reusable launch system
>10m x 10m x 50m payload bay - ideal for deploying interplanetary nuclear thermal spacecraft or torus habitat segments

>basic setup combines ideas from Starship and the former Lockheed Venture Star
>"one-and-a-half" stage to orbit layout with winged orbiter assisted by two strap-on boosters that self-recover by propulsive landing like the Super Heavy
>orbiter self-recovers just like any other spaceplane by landing on a runway
>boosters are strapped over the wings to avoid interference with the thermal tiles on the orbiter's underside

>both the orbiter and boosters use methalox; the orbiter uses linear aerospikes and the boosters use raptor-like full-flow-staged combustion engines scaled up to just below the thrust level of an F1
>to simplify development I would have both engines share turbomachinery

>have also considered using propalox instead, but would need to find a solution to the inherent coking issues it would cause

Now I want to make rough estimates of the dry mass of the system hardware so I can start making ISP calculations. I know /sfg/ has a grudge against winged orbiters but I went with this configuration for practicality, not prestige.

>>14689669

>>14689686
>I know /sfg/ has a grudge against winged orbiters but I went with this configuration for practicality, not prestige.
This is your brain on spaceplane faggotry.

>>14689429
>Oh yeah I forgot about that hahah. ESA sent them a frantic order to course correct and spacex just told them to fuck off lol
That's not what happened at all. ESA and SpaceX had been in contact over a possible conjunction which at the time didn't require action. The predictions were revised and ESA tried to contact them to arrange a manurer from one party. SpaceX never responded and claimed that their paging system broke.

>>14689447
Where exactly did ESA push this false narrative?

T-45 min

https://youtu.be/uokSDxNoJcA

>>14689703
Thanks

>>14689702
https://spacenews.com/esa-spacecraft-dodges-potential-collision-with-starlink-satellite/

ESA tried to paint it as a dangerous scenario in which SpaceX was acting lawlessly. The whole thing was creating a false narrative.

>>14689703
SCRUB

>>14689686
lol

>>14689476
ESA and China have a sizeable history of partnership. They launched the Double Star satellites together and are jointly developing SMILE, both magnetospheric missions.

>>14689709
Where exactly in the tweets did they do that?

>>14689718
Moreover, their astronauts trained together.

>>14689724
https://twitter.com/Astro_Jonny/status/1168592399729397767

The ESA officials were giving out lot of interviews about this "event". The narrative was all over the web.

no amount of narratives will slow down or stop SpaceX.

>>14689735
But none of that was false. We know now that they communicated when the probability was lower and decided to do nothing. Then it was revised upwards and there was no communication from SpaceX.
It is only later that SpaceX claimed the paging system broke, but there is nothing false in those statements. ESA were quite right to be frustrated with the lack of communication, given that the line of communication was broken. As it says in the link SpaceX agreed that they would have coordinated on taking action if they had seen the messages.

https://youtu.be/y8M_j8yZiQM

>>14689686

Wishful thinking. I can understand some of your thought process here but you're going to need an F-35-tier budget to go anywhere with this concept.

>7,000,000 newton class full-flow-staged combustion cycle

This alone would be a MASSIVE undertaking.

LIVE
https://youtu.be/uokSDxNoJcA

Is there still an Electron launch later today too?

>>14689792
No, delayed indefinitely for payload issues

Spacex's intro video is great

starting

>>14689792
No, NRO themselves delayed the launch, wanting to tinker with the payload a little more.

rare kate

Oh, it's the spacex mommy again

CANT SEE SHIT NIGGER

>>14689755
There's a line between "none of those are false" and to craft a malicious narrative. Instead of being professional and waiting it out, they tried to claim SpaceX was the one at fault and refused to move, when they should have been clear and said they were having communication issues and tried to reach SpaceX. They chose to become emotion and make this a personal crusade against "mega constellations" and SpaceX.

This isn't a single incident either with ESA's behavior/narrative surrounding SpaceX. Its a long list of behaviors that tried to paint SpaceX as evil capitalist company by the leadership at ESA.

>>14689807
SpaceX stans will defend this

>>14689804
>>14689809
Fuckin Spooks

decollage

kakuiiiiiii

spacex streams are so comfy nowadays

welcome home

Right on the X too

>>14689849
how many for this booster?

Dirt moving at SpaceX

>full timeline shown
>cutting the feed early
fuckers

+LEFT LEG ZAPPER+

That was a good landing, the stream didn't cut out at all.

>>14689859
West coast, probably had no starlink 1.5's overhead either.

>>14689854
four

>>14689867
unf I love young and fresh falcon boosters

>>14689878

>>14689686

That thing is way to big to land at the space shuttle runway. They'll need to build a completely new one.

ORBITAL HOP WHEN ITS BEEN TWO FUCKING YEARS I WANT TO SEE THE GRAIN SILO FLY AGAIN

>>14689924
2+2 months

>>14689903
I don't get this reusable runway meme.

>absorbs 2.4 billion dollars
>0.01 km/h
>some cameras
>a laser (barely useful)
>MOXIE (based)
>drone
>drops samples that will never amount to anything

These niggers really couldn't slap an electron microscope on it

>>14689941
Maybe next time :)

>>14688988
Two Weeks.

>>14689941
The rover only has 110 watts of available power please understand

hey

>14689955
fuck you

>>14689855

>>14689686

>ideal for deploying interplanetary nuclear thermal spacecraft or torus habitat segments

That's a pretty niche market you're pursing there. Hardly sustainable.

>>14689941
>takes money
>shits out hopes and dreams into literal dust
>says nothing
>drives beyond the sunset [1357 days]

Is there a more based machine? Didn't think so

>>14689951
Wait
It doesn't have solar?
Just the rtg?

>>14689686
Integration would be a nightmare.
You would have to take a 500 ton empty orbiter from the horizontal and make it vertical.

Spaceplane re-entry -> VL (like delta-clipper/starship) makes more sense if you can do it, and you aren't really saving any time by having the orbiter land like a plane, at best you are getting more cross-range.
Not to mention that very few runways will take such a big, fast and heavy aircraft.

>>14689970
Do you see any solar panels?

>>14689974
No i don't
I just always assumed it had solar on top
Wtf thats free real estate wasted

>>14689941
>Refuses to elaborate

>>14689814
> they tried to claim SpaceX was the one at fault and refused to move
SpaceX were the ones at fault, even according to SpaceX. The fault being technical.
>when they should have been clear and said they were having communication issues and tried to reach SpaceX
How could they possibly know the paging system had suddenly broken? They were previously in contact. There was no reason to believe anything was wrong.
>. Instead of being professional and waiting it out
Ah, so you're really just pissed that they made it public before checking with the PR department whether it shed them in a positive light. Fuck that noise. Space should be more transparent. You're not disputing the facts ESA put out, you're just quibbling over words.

>>14689686
Why not just go with a 18m starship?

>>14689981
All euro sats should be hacked/lasered/disabled
Sick of those commies infesting my space

>>14689970
The Autistic slobs at JPL have never heard of a feather duster so instead they spent hundreds of millions of dollars on a glorified hot water bottle.

>>14689987
I still haven't heard any argument against my 4ASS proposal for dust mitigation on solar-powered Mars spacecraft.

>>14689981
>SpaceX were the ones at fault, even according to SpaceX. The fault being technical.
SpaceX wasn't at fault. ESA contacted SpaceX first and SpaceX followed up correctly in stating there was no collision risk, using NORAD data. ESA later tried to contact them again over the holiday weekend with the update, but SpaceX wasn't able to respond back. Then ESA immediatedly went on press campaign to discredit SpaceX

>>14689990
I mean they could even make it refillable with moxie

>>14689686
Build it out in a simulated environment first then get back

>>14689995
>Clean off the electrical system with a blast of pure oxygen
Now THIS is the engineering I come to 4ASS for.

>>14689983

It's best to not have your launch stack be taller than 120 meters (400 feet). Build wider, not taller.

>>14690000
Checked Tom Platz digits
>>14689941
isn't this the one with the fucked up aluminum wheels?

>>14690002
Its fine it'll disperse quick

>>14689993
>>14689709
>SpaceX, in a statement Sept. 3, said it was aware of a potential conjunction Aug. 28 and communicated with ESA. At that time, though, the threat of a potential collision was only about 1 in 50,000, below the threshold where a maneuver was warranted. When refined data from the U.S. Air Force increased the probability to within 1 in 1,000, “a bug in our on-call paging system prevented the Starlink operator from seeing the follow on correspondence on this probability increase,” a company spokesperson told SpaceNews. “SpaceX is still investigating the issue and will implement corrective actions,” the spokesperson said of the glitch.

>“However, had the Starlink operator seen the correspondence, we would have coordinated with ESA to determine best approach with their continuing with their maneuver or our performing a maneuver.”

Funny, SpaceX agrees with ESA. Read the thread.

Our first venture in space should be wet-workshopping 2 starships into a ZBLAN factory. We could produces tons of the stuff and are at least 150 million dollars a fucking meter. we could bankroll an entire empire on one or two factories

>>14690014
Where did SpaceX acknowledge that they refused to move? The narrative is fiction invented by Euroniggers

>>14690023
Zblan is worth nothing now

>>14690023
didn't they figure out how to make zblan on earth?

>>14689973

How did they integrate the Shuttle from horizontal to vertical?

>>14690025
Where did ESA claim they "refused"?

>>14689653
It's useful to know for calibrating centigrade thermometers.

0 in Fahrenheit is afaik the minimum freezing point of brine (IE at it's ideal saturation), which seems very arbitrary. 100°f is basically body temperature, which is a pretty good place to put it.

>>14690047
You're like the retarded Russian bots and the Trump bots. >>14689735

Always crying about sources

>>14690044
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>>14690044
>>14690064
2

>>14690054
Which does not say "refused". The real second-hand quote says
>SpaceX sent a short email to ESA saying they would not move their satellite.
Which is not the same as refusing. We know this is true because they mutually agreed action was unnecessary at the original collision probability. Then their paging system broke so that was it. For someone so upset over words I'm surprised you are trying to force this false narrative.
I asked for a source because I was giving you the benefit of the doubt but pretty sure you were full of it.

You may not like it but this is what peak performance looks like.

>>14690073
Semantics nonsense.

The drama was created by ESA when they went to the media to claim SpaceX "would not move" to accommodate ESA. They cried and vented their frustrations at all the media. News journos that ESA directly talked drew the conclusion that SpaceX refused to move. Along with everyone else in the world.

You're just trying to weasel out. ESA cried like a bitch. Bitch that Euro niggers are known for.

>>14690084
> More than 451 seconds ISP

I'm curious, the max so far is 463 afaik.

>>14690087
It is semantics but it's not irrevent or nonsense. Saying they refused to do something says they acknowledged ESA's request and the raised probably and still said no. Just saying no does not make that statement.
I remind you you are the one dissecting ESA's words as "emotional" despite the fact you agree there is nothing false.
Had ESA said "refused" I would agree with you, but they didn't.
The only person crying over this is the one who brought it up 3 years later. It was a non-event like most things on twitter. SpaceX took responsibility and systems were improved on both sides.

>>14689990
>>14689987
What about some windshield wiper tech.

Though yes it looks like a crusty grimey dust;

So either you will smear it and you can't pit too much scraping pressure,

And some air suction to air blow off the dust, if it's too caked on that won't work. So maybe you just have to use both techniques every day to prevent grime crust crud mud build up that is harder and harder to get off as time passes

>>14690084
Also will ULA allow one of these to go inside a starship?
Pair this up with a SEP probe and a gravity assist or two and you could probably get to the outer solar system very fast.

>>14689987
>>14689990
Though yes that may just be a light dusting, not stuck.

So s system that can suck in atmosphere, and then fan it out over the panels.

A duster squeegee situation would probably get caked with dirt and dust and start scraping the panels

>>14690126
I think the main problem is that the dust is sharp, like glass dust, so you can't physically swipe it off without scratching the panels.
You would need some kind of electrostatic system combined with compressed 'air' probably.

Why doesn’t Russia have a super heavy lift rocket?

>>14690114
ESA said SpaceX sent an email stating they would not move their satellites. That's a refusal as they come, according to everyone. If its one journo, then it could be explained away as one journo drawing one conclusion. But ESA was giving multiple interviews about the event and all the journos took the same conclusion. Hence the problem is in ESA's message. ESA created the drama and they hyped up the drama. Later on, it was found that SpaceX's "refusal" turned out to be lack of communications. Which the ESA took it as a "statement."

ESA is at fault. 100%. They refused to get clarifications and instantly went on a social media campaign to gaslight SpaceX.

>>14689987
>>14689990
Small rectangle fan that spans the width of the panel, when turned on, it blows and crossed the length of the panel

>>14690148
They’ve been broke since the 80’s and also corruption

>>14690148
They can't afford the vehicles or the payloads for them.

>>14690128
NASA wouldn't let them put one inside the Shuttle, why would SpaceX let them put one inside a Starship?

>>14690084
Man-rated?

>>14690148
There's basically no russian space program left, maybe if it was needed for their military they could try designing something feasible.

>>14690128
As it uses LH2 it would probably require too many modifications to Starship and the launch infrastructure for SpaceX to be interested, ignoring any grudge between the companies that would make a partnership even more unlikely. Still the performance would be better than just a refueled Starship, for the sake of argument let's just assume a 455 Isp, a 5t dry mass, and a 59t wet mass, which would result in ~11 km/s of delta-v whereas a 100t/1300t Starship would only be ~8 km/s and ~7 km/s with Centaur as a payload.

That said a large solar electric tug acting like a third stage would be best for a high speed probe and a refueled Starship in LEO could easily put it on an Earth escape trajectory.

>>14690148
The Saturn never carried 140 t to orbit unless it was Skylab

Since we don't have any materials strong enough to make a space elevator, why not just use superconducting magnets to hold the cable up? That would reduce the tension, right?

>>14690367
>>>/popsci/

Astra Q2 earnings 8/4. get hype

>>14690376
They're going to get fucking grilled over the investigation

>>14690376
Would like to know their cash on hand, though they'll probably dilute shares if they're close to bankruptcy.

It's over

>>14690394
>Diluting shares
That would be the obvious choice, but they hardly have anything to dilute.

Their stock is at 1.40$/share right now, which most likely means that they'll need to do a reverse split before diluting so as to stay above 1$/share, this will tank the stock.

Afterwards, they'll need to find people ready to invest in a company as risky as Astra, which most likely means that they will need to set a low valuation, so dilute more to get the same amount of money, so tank their price even more.

The only way they might have a chance of getting funds from a dilution is if they get 1-2 launches right, so as to increase confidence and price per share. Otherwise, they might need to get a loan and brand it as "ohh, we did it because we don't want to dilute our loyal shareholders :^)".

>>14690346
Skylab's launch mass was >80 tons
I think the 140 ton figure comes from the combined mass of the S-IVB+CSM+LM prior to TLI

>>14690427
>356 million dollar market cap
Felon Husk will buy the company and stop his most fearsome competition

>>14690427
Id invest if they cut the woke shit, that stuff in the space industry is like naming an explorer ship "The Terror".

Imagine working for european newspace and literally living off spacex
I-I couldn't even picture that, ha-ha-ha...

>>14689941
RAD750 too old and expensive
please understand

>>14690472
>Imagine working for [...] space [...]
haha yeah what an awful fate, god I'd hate to be one of those guys lol yeah
anyway time to go deliver some pizzas

>>14689686
How compelling
Now go pick up the pieces, planefag

Will Stage 0 survive a launch?

>>14690492
Stage 0 isnt supposed to launch, it's ground-based

>>14690483
Don't worry anon, you are going to make it!

Zubrin

>>14690492
Seeing this image up close, the launch pad looks pretty protected already. Livestreams don't do justice to barriers/distance/depth

>>14690460
That's a pretty risky move, especially as they are preparing to launch a new rocket (Rocket 4) before having fixed their current rocket (Rocket 3).

>>14688949
Bernal spheres are based.

>>14690498
>Zubrin anime
>It's an e621 search for Krystal

>>14690505
>that much words
don't bother clicking unless you're visiting from Reddit, unfunny leftist IFLS meme 100% guaranteed

14690532
>false flagging this blatantly
at least fucking try you triple nigger

>>14690510
wheee!

>>14690532
It's a classic meme you rube

>>14690498
>>14690525
I am very familiar with that webpage

>>14690492
I don't get this reusable launch pad meme

Question: Will SLS fly before Starship?

>>14690731
Probably honestly. SLS is fully tested and is waiting to go back to the pad . Booster 7 might be scrapped and Booster 8 will basically be a new start for the OFT-1 testing campaign

Nelson met with Macron today

https://twitter.com/senbillnelson/status/1550513116294877188?s=21&t=dOZGhbjbyJz7JvTEl0TNPg

>>14690731
the fact that this is a question is hilarious
imagine in 2012 showing the specs of Starship and saying it'll even be remotely close between the two

>>14690758
Were they discussing how to further ruin France via immigration? Is NASA involved in that?

>>14690773
illegal aliens

>>14690755
>Booster 7 might be scrapped
With three engine already having been swapped out it sure doesn't seem like they have given up on it. That said,

Hurry up with the static fires. How long has it been since FAA gave the go-ahead?

>>14690755
>Booster 7 might be scrapped
source?

>>14690758
Sorry I'm not that familiar with Macron. Does he always have a look on his face like his children are being held hostage somewhere?

>>14689686
You are still gay and retarded
Here is your you

>>14690773
nasa's twitter bio says "there's space for everybody"

>>14690902
just like my SENPAI tv shows, woah

>>14690902
Incredibly based. The more people up there, the fewer down here.

>>14690906
If only we were gaan

>>14690451
>180km orbit

really putting the 'low' in LEO

>>14690902
Elon is an immigrant too. Good for that woman

Laughing at Astra investors is a hobby if mine

>>14690994
I might buy once it's a penny stock. It was a joke at eight dollars, but it's getting close to being worth a ~$20 bet

>>14691019
I’m legitimately curious why space stocks seem to be so shit, even for “good” companies. Not an investor, just like making fun of stupid people

>>14691025
VC dollars are easy to get, and hype is drugs to normies. Investing in the ground floor of a company is the classic hits business. $TSLA went from five, to forty, to eight hundred dollars in relatively short order. You don't need to be right that often, so giving some random startup a few million dollars doesn't hurt too much, you expect 95% of them to fail, and make it all back on the remaining 5%. For something that's essentially a truly new market, like commercial space, you'd expect an absolute pile of mostly shit companies, and the cream will rise to the top after a decade or so.

>>14691033
>and the cream will rise to the top after a decade or so.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCD_Xq4ebyw

>>14691025
because many of the shitty ones went public too early out of desperation. the SPAC rush was a direct result of the heated market, thanks quantitative easing and free money. now the music is stopping, and most of them wont survive.

>>14691025
Space is 100% capex, which is investor kryptonite

https://youtu.be/a1Ef1PcPKjk
Did you guys fucking see this? Holy shit this is raw power

>>14691062
Solids make me solid

>>14691062
since starship cant abort anyway, why not strap 4 of this on? free payload

>>14690994
Stocktwits was the best for this, now many of their so called investors have jumped ship and you have to wonder if the remaining bullish posts are satire or just insane people.

What happened with the earnings report? I don't see it on their investor page or the various financial reporting websites.

>>14690492
Sure, all bets are off regarding a landing though.

>>14691076
they're bots

>>14691106
Bot GF when? Why doesn't Elon focus on the real problems instead of going to space?

>>14691163
tesla bot (gf) was literally unveiled last year

>>14691169
You mean a person in a costume dancing? He should be in prison for this fraud

>Perseverance Rover:
Size: 2.9m x 2.7m x 2.2m
Mass: 1 ton
Power: 110 watt RTG
Average Speed: 25m per day (11.79 km in 477 days)
>>Instruments:
MOXIE - generates O2 from CO2. Based, but why put it on a rover?
PIXL - x-ray spectrometer. Determines geochemistry of exposed samples. Close range only.
RIMFAX - ground penetrating radar. Max depth: 10m.
MEDA - measures weather conditions. Again, why drag it along?
SuperCam - UV/visible/IR spectrometer. Works out to ~10m, only important because Percy is too slow to drive over for a closer look.
Mastcam-Z - literally just a digital camera on a swivel.
SHERLOC - a second UV spectroscopy package, because I guess the first one wasn't autistic enough.
>>>Cost:
$2.2 billion for hardware development
$243 million for launch services (Atlas V)
$291 million for mission operations (2.5 years funded)

>>14691186
>PIXL - x-ray spectrometer. Determines geochemistry of exposed samples
What were some results of this, find anything cool?

>>14691062
There were less than 1k people on the NSF stream. At the same time there was >12k people on the starship stream which was releasing short cold gas farts.

>>14690418
That guy looks like somebody tried to clone John Carmack but tried to make him look more like a normie.

Tracking cam from today's Starlink mission

somehow managed to burn my space station crew to death in rp1, which i didn't even know was possible. apparently if you forget to turn off your apollo capsule's avionics and the station runs out of electricity then some strange stuff starts happening.

>>14691269
what a neat moon shaped cloud.

>>14691295
many such cases

>the UK FAA (CAA) is forcing virgin to undergo an environmental assessment with public feedback
https://spacenews.com/uk-launches-consultation-on-virgin-orbit-launch/

OH NO NO NO here we go again

>>14691310
"the environmental impact of launching the 747 from the airport is exactly the goddamn same as launching any other 747 from the airport"
there. assessment finished. saved you months and millions.

>>14691310
what environment? its in the air, outside the environmemt

Presented without comment

>>14690492
that's going to take a month to cure and it's only a small section of stage zero fuck

>>14691318
accurate depiction of how many modelo beer bottles mexicans leave lying on the ground

>>14691318
You shall not suffer an Earther to live

>>14691319
Not really, concrete rapidly gains most of its strength

>>14691326
>Bible Black theme starts playing

>>14691318

>>14691310
>Virgin Orbit also needs a license from the U.K.’s Marine Management Organisation (MMO), which includes another public consultation that is slated to close Aug. 19.

>>14691323
kek

>>14691310
Bro until recently there wasn't even a legal pathway to launch from the UK so be thankful there is a way at all

>>14689496
Please do not dumb here. No dumb area here.
>>14689508
This.
The point of Starship is that, like the SuperHeavy booster, it is [supposed to be] able to land back on Earth. It cannot do that with a nuclear rocket.
Whatever is equipped with nucyular power to reach Mars will not be a Starship; it will be something else. Something designed with high ISP / low thrust. Probably not for Mars at all but for the Jovian system.

>>14691310
There is nothing Virgin can do that will make the UK any worse than it already is, grant the license bongs.

>>14691318
what do the yellow bottles represent? Consumed söylent?

Can someone give me a quick rundown on Mars coin?

>>14691367
We could but we won't

>>14691367
no

Not a fan of Reagan but his Challenger speech is beautiful

>>14691367
My black dick in your mother's tight anus without lubrication, while I tie up your dad and force him to suck his own cock.

Valentin Glusho threw Korolev in the gulag in the 40’s, then purposely neglected Hydrolox and kerosene engines to further his own hypergolic ones, then cancelled the N1 in 1974 despite it being ready and improved for another test flight, only out of pure spite for Korolev.

>>14691399
but he was also the best engine designer who ever lived and if korolev could've gotten over their personal squabbles they might've had a fighting chance at getting to the moon

>>14691399
>>14691410
That means they deserved to fail.

>>14691399
>"ready"
>"improved"
8L had the same odds of success that all the others did: it'd work it every one of a hundred different things functioned perfectly. The rockets that launched and died previously have succeeded too if only this thing or that thing hadn't fucked up. The old problems probably wouldn't have been repeated with 8L, but there's no way of saying that some new flaw that just happened not to go wrong previously wouldn't decide that this was its time to shine.

You're 100% right about the spite thing, though. Those fuckers couldn't get along if their lives depended on it.

>>14691367
>Mars COIN
Counter-insurgency operations on Mars will depend significantly on the occupying power's orbital presence, and thus on their ability to maintain control of launch facilities on the surface in order to resupply orbital forces. Because launch cadence can be disrupted by even small-caliber rounds, the ability to proliferate man portable over-the-horizon antimaterial rifles (MANPOARs) and infiltrate firing teams to within range of launch sites will be crucial to the eventual success of the insurgency.
>tl;dr (anti-)ULA snipers will free Mars.

>>14691420
I don’t understand how the Soviets - who were commies - had 10X the infighting of the Americans. Could you imagine if Rocketdyne and North American refused to work together on the Saturn V and Apollo? Insanity.

>>14691470
Yes but imagine if rocketdyne could banish anyone from NAA to the gulag or vice versa on a dime and get the bigger cut of the project. Now you know why communism is gay

All of you shitting on Perseverance from earlier:
If another US robotic rover were sent, what instrumentation/capability would you want it to even have? What more is there to test that can fit on a few thousand kgs worth of autonomous vehicle pre-Starship? Pic not related

>>14691517
Legit just a simple Phoenix-style lander with a small ice drill and an electrolysis plant to see if ISRU Methalox is possible

>>14691517
I would send a human, this is the core of the problem

>>14691470
>>14691481
Pretty much this. In America the decisions were political, but the USSR the decisions were POLITICAL. Political patronage was a thing in the US but corporations had the agency and opportunity to pursue other projects on their own initiative. Their survival wasn't founded completely on the fact that they happened to give a job to the son of some general.

>>14691517
Back in the 1990s some people in NASA or JPL were talking about the idea of a stratigraphy rover. It'd land near the edge of a big cliff and then use a cable to rappel down 1-2km of rock face. Analyzing the individual layers in sequence would let it study several million years of martian geologic history in a single mission.

>>14691517
Viking experiment. You know which one, since it's been prohibited ever since.

>>14691532
That's basically what Curiosity is doing in Gale Crater, measuring the layers as it climbs Mt. Sharp

>>14691541
Yeah, but it's not climbing down the steepest side of Valles Marineris on a 1 km cable. This is way cooler.

>>14691367
marscoin whale here
basically, around the same time DOGE was coming out (coincidence), a german space autist decided eventually Mars would need its own currency due to light lag from Earth
This point has been corroborated by Elon in his latest appearance on Lex Fridman's podcast
so German autist (Lennart Lopin) created it, donated the first million mined coins to Mars One and The Mars Society. Mars One went defunct, the coins went to The Mars Society and now Zubrin himself has access to the wallet.
Marscoin <--> Zubrin/Mars Society <--> Elon and SpaceX
it has a market cap of 1 million aka it's pitifully small and completely ignored by the wider world. Only available on a shitty Hong Kong exchange or through OTC trades. If you bought now, you would be years early to the party. Yes this is financial advice

>elon wants to build a city on mars
no way a city is the best way of building a colony on mars. cities are too compact...they need resources from far flung places brought to them. instead a mars colony is going to be a bunch of small towns, each of which are located near different resources necessary to maintain the colony. so, the colony will end up being a bunch of mining towns surrounded by farmland.

>>14691570
On Mars the ruralchad shall reign.
And then, we will grill together.

>>14691570
>mars will be a suburban paradise
VGHH

>>14691561
Yeah, Elon is totally going to let a crypto scammer control the monetary supply, retard. Go back to /biz/

>>14691588
Elon musk is this retarded to be fair

>>14691588
Elon will let ME control the money.

>>14691593
king

How much gold and silver is on Mars right now?
I want it.

>>14691615
Aside from scrapping old rovers for precious metals, Mars is pretty useless when it comes to looking for deposits

>>14691626
C'mon, there must be some. I wanna go panning.

>>14691630
Nah. It’s already extremely rare on Earth but having a huge hydrosphere and plate tectonics/volcanism over billions of years has helped concentrate it in the upper crust. Mars used to be a water world but the amount of tectonics is up in the air, but regardless it obviously ceased any plate movement and hydrosphere activity billions of years ago. On top of this Mars has a shite mass compared to Earth so any concentrations of heavy metals is going to be way lower than they are here where, again, they are already super rare

>>14691517
Did it find anything cool in the samples it grabbed?

>>14689857
fatass here. which GPT ai am i looking at to spoonfeed me how to make a competing space agency. im open to modelling, ill make a gofundme and doxx myself.

>>14691637
With all that running water for all those years, you don't think there's any rich veins anywhere on the whole planet? You might be right but I won't be convinced until I've come up empty on my tenth claim.

Apollo surviving long enough to see a manned mission to Mars was impossible, wasnt it?

>>14691663
I’m sure there are veins lots of places, and heck it’s pretty hard to look at things like olympus mons and not think about a time when the planet had water everywhere and was bubbling with volcanic activity. My point is that if it’s already hard to find here, it will he X times harder to find there considering the planet went down a different geological path. That being said: we have barely scratched the surface (literally) when it comes to digging and exploring the deeper mineralogical makeup of mars and it’s one of those “you never know until you look” scenarios. But all things considered I think the chances of finding anything would be low
I think Venus might be a different answer although I’m not entirely sure. I know venus is lacking some components that Earth is made up of but I don’t know them off the top of my head. If you could, somehow, land a bunch of industrial equipment on venus and dig through millions and millions of years of volcanic deposits the subsurface would be an absolutely fascinating place to explore. Reminder that at one point venus was a water world and had earth like temperatures. There was a point in time where you could have stood on the surface of venus and all you needed was a simple oxygen mask, it would have been pretty much indistinguishable from modern earth aside from the lack of vegetation. And assuming it DID have life at some point there is a chance it had an oxygenated atmosphere but now we are really just speculating lol

>>14691680
>Mars is dead
>Venus is major gay
Why did we only get one good planet in this epoch, fuck

>>14691680
You're not as smart as you think you are.

>>14691696
At least he's not fat

>>14691698
At least he'll survive Dark Winter incel. u will eat ze bugs and he will fast and emerge a new man.

>>14691698
You are very rude.

>>14691705
Baste

>>14691707
Your fault for namefagging. This is why we are all anonymous.

>>14691718
I'm not name f*going.

Also
>we
Go back to r*ddit

I win

>>14691718
9gag.

>>14691725
Post body

>>14691705
I vill eat ze fat people
>>14691725
please don't do
>>14691728
this, I just ate

>>14691728
No, I don't think I will.

>71 posters
You hate to see it

>>14691737
Why? That's 71 like-minded enthusiasts of the thing you are also enthusiastic about. That's pretty cool.
Also you require far more nutrition than I do to maintain health, making me a more prime candidate for colonization than you. Hopefully calories will not be a permanent determining factor on Mars, I envision a brilliant future where all men may come together there to grill in peace and brotherhood no matter their height or weight.

>>14691399
Why was he so obsessed with hypergolics? What was in it for him?

>>14691742
Would you rather have some Twink captain of your starship, or a Barrell chested freedom fighter like me... The answer is obvious. People of my statute are leaders of men. Mountains of man.

>>14691750
Okay but you have to pay an additional payload tax for your fat ass. Skinny fucks get a discount.
Large Martians will certainly be a thing, but not in the initial phase of colonization, that comes later.

>>14691757
I don't pay. Simple as.

>>14691766
Naw, I ain't about to pay no sumbitchin' tax
Not on Earth, not on Mars

>>14691766
shitting up /gg/ wasn't enough, so this is your new project?

>>14691680
Is there tech to scan the surface and detect what materials might be underneath? Some radar spectroscopy type thing?.

>>14691777
I don't know what that even means, Sam...

>>14691750
>Barrell

>>14691786
Post wieght, worm
>he wont

>>14691794
I think the average weight of /sfg/ anons is somewhere between 100 and 400 lbs.

>>14691749
In theory (and in practice) hypergolics were the preferred choice because you could restart the engine as many times as you wanted (among other things, although if I remember right the freezing point was a concern)

Like solids it requires basically no GSE so it would have simplified other things too

It's a shame they're incredibly toxic and and launch failure would make the area hazardous after the explosion

>>14691781
That's what RIMFAX does, and it's probably the most worthwhile thing on Perseverance.

>>14691799
peroxide isn't
really underrated oxidiser if you ask me

>>14691804
Has it been reporting back findings? How deep down does it detect and how accurately?

Is it just like;
Pocket of some metal x density 20ft
Liquid of some moelcular make up xyz 40ft down ?.

Please kill yourself namefag, your presence is unwelcome

>>14691856
I have been observing your little thread for quite some rime, Max Faget. And not the Max Faget that forced mercury capsules to use rectal thermometers.
>Verification not required

Kind of neat but although the X-15 is known for its jet black exterior, on flights made to test maximum hypersonic velocities, the X-15 was coated in a white-pink ablative material. So the X-15 was painted pinkish white on some of its most challenging flights.

>>14691856
You're being very rude. It is very warming those of your kind will not exit the stratosphere. Much less the solar system. Cope.

>>14691880
Another pic. On X-15 flight 188, where the vehicle set a Mach 6 atmospheric speed record, the vehicle had the distinct white paint scheme. Also of note are the two drop tanks. The X-15 used its drop tanks on most of its flights, but they are often forgotten about when people think of the vehicle.

>he's seething I told him he isn't as smart as he thinks he is
>he doesn't know I didn't even read his post
You hate to see it...

Quit giving this faggot attention and just report him.

>>14691896
You are afraid of yourself

Out of all the generals to shit up why go to one of the most benign and easygoing ones on this site?

>>14691880
>>14691886
neat, I never knew X-15 was ever painted white
clearly it must be one of of these mandarine effect I keep hearing about

>>14691905
>>14691896
I will give you a tip

>>14691909

>anouncing a report

>>14691894
Based intuitive bullshit detector

Starfactory is growing

Perfection.

New Angry kino
https://youtu.be/U1j8WJQu_RQ
he moved to britain, and ever since he has been a massive

>>14692135
*massive faggot

>>14692135
>he moved to britain
why would someone do that?

>>14692146
isnt he from scotland

any booster action since that explosion

>>14692082

In space no one can call you n*gar and get away with it

>>14692135
i think he misses the point of the rider. they're wanting to create an official artemis office and include manned mars missions within it to force the use of SLS for any mars trips in the future. the requirement that no changes can be made to the EUS that preclude it from carrying a lander is probably a way to say that we can't just issue lander requirements that will exceed what the EUS can do. the line about capitalizing on taxpayer investment is just evidence that the case for sls going forward is going to be a sunk cost fallacy: we blew a bunch of taxpayer money on this already so we have to blow even more on it in the future.
>and remember to stay ANGRY about age of consent laws

>Two hours without a post
/sfg/ is dead

i wonder if mr thiel will be sponsoring a mars colony

>>14692487
Arab princes are doing it.

>>14692474
It is a do-nothing weekend and there still hasn't been a static fire since the FAA decision

Good morning I hate redditors

>>14692474
B7 scrapped. Gonna be 2 months before we see another booster cryo

>>14692534
Prolly more like 1 month. There’s debate as to whether to scrap it or not but consensus is that she’s seen so much action that she needs to rest now

>>14692530
>NOOO YOU MUST FIX ALL THESE THINGS THAT WILL NEVER BE FIXED BECAUSE ONCE WE TAKE POWER WE'LL FUCK IT ALL UP AGAIN BEFORE YOU CAN DO ANYTHING ELSE!
I just hate humanity at this point.

I'm starting to feel that I'm going to die stuck in this gravity well.

>>14692432
When people talk about Congressional meddling ruining NASA riders like these are exhibit number one. Granted the SLS will be less pathetic in ten years but it's not like SpaceX is going to sit still that entire time.

It makes me appreciate Lori jumping on that HLS grenade for the entire agency. You're not going to get a moonbase on 27 metric tons to TLI

>>14692548
Realistically? Probably. But there’s a 90% chance we can go to at least above the Karman line in our lifetime.

>>14692543
humanity is great, what you actually hate is sub-humanity

>>14692548
(You) will
t. Sold my long HODL'd BTC at 63k on a whim, now browse /biz/ for eternal loss porn.

Buran is cool but overrated. It cost the Soviets $1.8 billion per launch (rubles to dollars, etc.) which is almost twice that of the already expensive US Space Shuttle. And of course, Buran suffered the same tile issues as the Shuttle; fly it long enough, and you’d get a Soviet Columbia.
The use of liquid boosters WAS actually really cool though, and the fact it could fly without people was great, and most of all, Energia could fly without Buran! If the Soviets had money, they 100% could have built a lunar base or a Mars expedition with Energia.

Hi it’s me Tim Dodd the everyday astronaut. SpaceX abandoned carbon fiber when developing their Starship, then called BFR, back in 2018. This is similar to how my wife abandoned me too, in 2018.

>>14692616
I can't believe the Soviets unironically fell for the Shuttle meme.

>>14692634
They didn’t start working on it until 1976 when Soviet officials held a meeting because they were convinced the Shuttle was too shitty to be a civillian vehicle; it had to be an ICBM dropper.
Anyways, the timeline of Soviet super heavy lift vehicles goes:
>N1-L3 -> N1F (1972-1974) -> Vulkan (poor man’s energia; 1974-1976) -> Energia (1976-1988)

Would Energia have the same issue as SLS with regards to switching from a side-mount vehicle to an in-line one? IIRC, the issue with SLS isn’t the tank stretch, but the fact that the shuttle ET had to be totally redesigned to support top-down loads.

>Vulcan in 2019
It is time. Get ready.

>>14692626
Ok, Dim Todd.

I an giving up on space autism and going in to gamedev autism

>the SSME was supposed to last for 50 flights
>initially it had to be replaced every other flight
>by the late 90s they had gotton to 15 flights between replacement

Jesus, how do you fuck up this bad?
The entire point of the shuttle was to re-use the engines.
Develop an extremely expensive, high performance engine for re-use, and then throw it away every mission, so that way on top of high dev costs and poor LV performance, you also cost considerably more per launch than a disposable design.
What a disaster.

>>14692530
Just a reminder that just 0.5% of the federal budget goes to NASA.
Those are subhumans who have never cared for space.

>>14692730
>>initially it had to be replaced every other flight
>>by the late 90s they had gotton to 15 flights between replacement
Lmao i didn't know this
Man the shuttle just gets worse the more i know about it
Just like how every single tile had to have the anti-water shit injected into it before every launch

>>14692530
Then why do you go to Reddit?

>>14692726
Usually it goes the other way around, SpaceX and NASA used to recruit at E3

what’s the rundown on Lao coin, found some interesting stuff on it. they’re pretty deep in aerospace tech

>>14692759
Well its not like i am a pro in either

I'm at a crossroads /sfg/. Should I become a marscoin day trader or stick with my job at domino's?

>>14692730
>also cost considerably more per launch than a disposable design
Depends on the disposable design.

>>14692634
Cold War is riddled with the two parties memeing themselves into unnecessarily complicated decades long technology projects just because they got two shreds of intel and a hyperactive imagination.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fkdMf6WerM

KSP is on sale
is there a list of /sfg/ approved mods?

>>14692730
>>14692741
AR-22 is good tho
shame it'll never be used tho

>>14692912
Don't bother

>>14692912
depends on what you're trying to do. if you're learning the game for the first time i'd do career mode on easy and just get the visual mods and restock or ven's for parts.

>>14692912
https://github.com/KSP-RO
https://github.com/KSP-RO/RP-0/wiki

>>14692912
Whatever you do use a mod to unlock thd node planner thing
Its cancer without it

>>14692730
>>14692913
AR-22 is a badass engine
>Old SSME brought back to life
>Retrofitted to be heavily reusable
>Was able to fire for 100 seconds 10X over the course of 10 days
>Even Raptor has yet to reach this 100 seconds firing X 10 times milestone

>>14692980
the tracking/mission control upgrades for the node planner are easy to get unless you're playing on hard and if you're playing on hard you should be able to do mun orbits without nodes

>>14692987
Well when i played it a while back it took quite a while to unlock it
Trying to do shit manually is just pain for no reason

>>14692912
Realistic Progression One
Principia

I know it’s not quite RP0, but I play KSP on a laptop so I can’t do RSS+RO. I run KSRSS, which is 2.5X scale RSS meaning it’s smaller than normal RSS but bigger than regular KSP.
What makes KSRSS great is that it’s scaled so stock and stock-alike parts have IRL performance because they’re overpowered. So if you have the Bluedog or Tantares mod, you’ll get IRL-ish performance and margins with KSRSS.
It’s not 100% perfect but it works well enough as a poor man’s RSS.

>>14693029
There's also a mod that automatically re-balances parts to make their performance more realistic so you can play with stock parts (and modded parts intended for stock scale ksp) with real sized planets.

>>14692912
Get CKAN, it makes modding so much easier

From there you have two routes: modded stock or RO/RP-1

If you want realism, get Realism Overhaul / Realistic Progression and find a guide for complimentary mods for that
If you want goofy kerbal action, modded stock is the way to go. I recommend at a minimum:
MechJeb
Cryogenic Engines
Parking Brake
Restock
SCANSat (despite it being not updated for the current version, it still works)
Waypoint Manager

Then if you want some more stuff on top you can get:
Precise Node
The entire Near Future suite
KSP Community Fixes
Kerbal Engineer Redux
Alarm Enhancements
Stockalike Station Parts Redux
Store My Reports
TAC Fuel Balancer
Tarsier Space Technology
StageRecovery (cheese warning)

If you're into the flight model there are a shitload of aerodynamic parts / system overhauls to look at

Depending on your computer power you can go pretty wild with the visuals, I'd start with Scatterer and Waterfall, and if you're rocking anything newer than four years old you can try Essential Visual Enhancements (EVE) and Real Plume

>>14691696
I’m right

>>14692913
>>14692986
It was a good retool of an overly complex engine

>>14693056
I’ve heard. It looks tempting, but it seems incompatible with a lot of mods I run. I’m also just plain worried if my laptop melting because I’m already scared of that with what I have now lol.
I’d love to get a desktop in the future desu. I don’t care about KSP2, I just want RO/RSS

>NASA seriously thought they could cluster 6 RS-68s
WHAT were they thinking

>>14693088

Also NASA has historically been frightened of new propulsion system development

>>14693088
it wouldn't have been that hard to give it a regenerative nozzle

>>14693088
They thought hearing from the SRBs “wasn’t a big deal”. Lol.
There was an expendable variant of the RS25 called the STME from the 90’s. It had the same performance but was way way cheaper. It was cancelled. RS-68, believe it or not, is actually not derived from the RS-25; it’s a clean sheet design

The RS25 (at one point) cost $40 million apiece. Whether that’s for 1980 dollars or mid 2000s is unclear, but the former is more likely.

>>14693076
No, you are not. Calm down.

I’m compiling some data on Space Shuttle component costs
The RS-25’s were $40 million in either 1980 or 2000 dollars
The Boosters were $25 million EACH in either 1980 or 2000 dollars
The External Tank was $75 million in 2000 dollars based on ET-94
The orbiter itself cost $2 billion

Now we don’t know if the shuttle cost $450 million (NASA’s per mission claim) or $1.5 billion (Overall Program/Launches) per launch. I think the “true” number is somewhere in between

Lastly, I am confident that something like proto-SLS or shuttle-C could fly for much less than the shuttle as long as the engines were recovered via SMART reuse like ULA plans

>>14692662
Should've been named Delta V (delta-v) instead of Vulcan fuck Star Tr*k nerds

>>14693099
They are $146 mil a pop last I checked. This is due to AR needing to restart all the production lines and retrain people. Absolutely inexcusable

>>14693126
Apparently they didn’t name it Delta V because that showed “favoritism” to one half of the Lockheed/Boeing partnership. Seriously it’s hilarious how petty Lockheed (Atlas) is

>>14693133
Wow how cunty

>>14693123
if you want to git gud at shuttle cost autism this is the best resource ever made. it's never as simple as putting a single price tag on components.