/sci/ - Science & Math

>who the fuck actually believes this shit
Only you. Take your meds.

>>14689020
scientists. you're free to come up with your own interpretation of the crazy experimental results that baffled humanity and lead to creation of quantum physics, but i doubt you'd be original or make more sense.

>>14689034
Correction: only OP and this retard >>14689041

>>14689020
Soientists are creatures of Satan that deceive mankind with made up abstract garbage.

>>14689050
Cringe and unfunny bait. Kys.

>>14689060
Not an argument soi boy

>>14689020
Quantum physics is the coolest branch of science and it's the branch that most makes normies pissed off. Christiantard rightwing types in particular find it impossible to cope with. Oh well, tard. That's reality. Cold, hard mathematical reality. Cope and seethe

>>14689084

>>14689020
king

ITT: NPCs being butthurt because they can't collapse the wave function. Feels good to be a conscious observer.

Most schizo thread on /sci/ right now

OP is both schizo and based at the same time. It's a superposition.

>>14689020
When you look at wave it "collapsed" but then you check and no oscillation just deterministic outcome so no cat is not both alive and dead just alive or dead. Silly, if you want wave to collapse you need to physically have an effect when you measure it so when you observe the photon must physically force the object into superposition by displacing it with its weight, but how can a wave do this? Must be particle. Black science man believes this. Are you calling him a liar?

>>14689020
>who the fuck actually believes this shit
Who do you think believes it? Who do you think is intended to believe it? Have you read Schrödinger's equations? What did you come to understand from reading them? Did you read his original paper on the paradox? Why did you come here with such a basic, plebeian post?

>>14689112
The black dude at the top should be a scandinavian wannabe "pagan"

>>14689041
t. freshmen tard overdosing on popsci
Unitarity is violated everytime you do measure the quantum wave function.

>>14689084
Quantum physics is literally the most christcuck-friendly branch of science. I can't count the amount of people I see that justify their religious believes like soul, or whatever, based of it.

>>14689041
>the crazy experimental results
>of a thought experiment
imma conduct a thought experiment!
imma thinking really hard about science rn!!!
hmmmm lets see how its going…
looks like everything turned out the way i imagined it would.
this experiment confirms my preexisting beliefs!!!
hooray i'm right about everything again!!!
no need for those nasty irl experiments where i'm wrong a lot of the time, i'll stick to imaginary experiments instead, that way i'm always right

>>14689020
>>14689041
>>14689211
>>14689211
Observation is interaction, the waveform collapse occurs without a human ever looking in box. The entire system "observes" itself. The cat not least of all.

>>14689126
KEK

>>14689729
>Observation is interaction
Physical event, yes?
If yes
What's the physical part?
If no then
>the waveform collapse occurs
Why?
>The entire system "observes" itself
No idea what this means. I thought the observer had to have senses to observe with.

>>14689964
>What's the physical part?
The entire apparatus, including but not limited to the cat itself
>Why?
Because that's the way our universe works. Ask the gods if you want an answer to "why" questions.
>I thought the observer had to have senses to observe with.
Yeah, that's because popsci simplifies everything to the point of being wrong.

Waves interacting with matter is what causes the waveform collapse. There is nothing special about "conscious observers". Any and all measurement of a wave means interacting with that wave in a way that causes waveform collapse.

>>14689112
I dont hate Christians but they do have the lowest tier religion for droolers. Anyone who believes this kind of idiocy doesnt have the mental faculties you can put much trust in

>>14689126
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IJCFc_qkHw

>>14689979
>Ask the gods if you want an answer to "why" questions.
Isn't this simply a resignation to faith?
>There is nothing special about "conscious observers". Any and all measurement of a wave means interacting with that wave in a way that causes waveform collapse.
Who besides a conscious observer would do a measurement?
I understand mechanically you're saying for the action of a waveform to interact with a particle there doesn't need to be someone watching. Tree, forest, did it make a sound? I don't think it do. Without someone with senses to measure shit the universe is nothing.

>>14689020
Schrodinger made the experiment intentionally fallacious to point out the ridiculousness of such beliefs, a tree makes a sound when it falls, even when noone is around to hear it and the cat will be dead regardless of whether or not you open the box, because surprise surprise, life goes on even without you

>>14690152
>Who besides a conscious observer would do a measurement?
Literally everything, "observing" is just another word for interacting, if one electron bumps into another then those electrons are both observers, when light reflects off of a surface those photons and everything they interact with are observers, observer does not imply a conscious being looking and thinking about something, but things interacting between each other and subsequently causing a certain outcome aka waveform collapse, the waveform is just a probability map of something happening.

>>14689060
That's not fucking bait at all. A lot of chemical modeling is still fuckng alchemy tier.

>>14690212
>if one electron bumps into another then those electrons are both observers,
If that's the case then why do they interact as wave at one time and as particle at a different time if "observation" is constant?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1YqgPAtzho
>observer does not imply a conscious being looking and thinking about something
In this universe that exists without
>sight
>sound
>smell
>taste
>touch
What does it mean to exist?

>>14690234
>If that's the case then why do they interact as wave at one time and as particle at a different time
Define interacting as a wave and interacting as a particle, just fyi I don't believe in that shit because so far noone has given a clear explanation what wave-particle duality is supposed to mean and just throw together a 15 minute word salad that completely loses all meaning by the end
>What does it mean to exist?
Non-conscious materia doesn't care about shit like that, they just interact with each other to produce different reactions

>>14690152
>Isn't this simply a resignation to faith?
Ignoramus et ignorabimus.
>Who besides a conscious observer would do a measurement?
Any matter the wave interacts with. All measurement is interaction. Interaction with matter is what collapses the waveform.

>>14690259
>Define interacting as a wave and interacting as a particle,
That's what the video is for. How do you not believe in something we have observed taking place?
>Non-conscious materia doesn't care about shit like that, they just interact with each other to produce different reactions
Sure, but this is for our understanding not their. Your claim that there is a cloud of reactions at x,y,z coordinates is as verifiable as my claim of Naria being real and to steelman your claim you're going to point a field of study where you don't believe in shit we've observed taking place which leaves me confused.

>>14689020
of course it's not both alive and dead. as long as the cat exists as a macroscopic object in the physical world, it is constantly being observed at all times, and hiding the cat in a box doesn't change this.

sure are a lot of brainlets in this thread. here's all you need to understand about physics to make sense of schrodinger's cat:
1) in physics, superposition is the principle that independent sources of an effect can be analyzed independently.
2) quantum mechanics can be thought of via probabilities.
for an example of 1), consider a dipole with a + charge and a - charge, and you're tasked with finding the electric field everywhere. well, that's trivial. [math]E_{tot} = E_+ + E_-[/math]. Superposition here means we simply add the effects of source charge + and source charge -. ezpz.

all schrodinger's cat says is that the cat is in a superposition of alive and dead. basically this is just |cat> = a|dead> + b|alive>. what this means is that the cat is EITHER alive or dead, with some probability weights of a and b. only a legitimate retard interprets superposition as something existing due to BOTH states.

let us return to the electric charges, and think about what superposition meant. at every point in space, what is the correct understanding of superposition?
>1) at point P, the net electric field is the sum of E+ and E-
>2) at point P, the net electric field is BOTH e+ and E-
>3) at point P, the net electric field is ONLY from E+
>4) at point P, the net electric field is ONLY from E-
>5) all of the above
>6) none of the above
if we apply the retarded interpretation of shcrodinger's cat to these electric charges, you'd be led to believe that 5) is correct, which is clearly not true. formally, only 1) is correct. if you stretch your understanding of logic (and of physics), you might be able to argue 2) is correct, but that's not strictly accurate.

in summary, the only correct way to understand the superposition of probabilities of the cat being alive or dead is that... well, the cat's existence is a sum of probabilities of it being either alive or dead. which is just vacuously true.

>>14690296
>Ignoramus et ignorabimus.
it's morbin time

>>14690690
I do not understand this meme, and I will not.

>>14689350
Nope, measurement is consistent with unitary motion.

>>14689725
Thought experiment checks internal consistency of a theory. In your pic corresponds to the "construct a hypothesis" block.

>>14690296
According to the Schrodinger equation interaction results in entanglement, not in collapse.

>>14692645
So collapse doesn't exist.

>>14690372
>How do you not believe in something we have observed taking place?
But we haven't tho

>>14689020
>who the fuck actually believes this shit
lmao isn't that kind of the point?

>>14689060
did it offend your beliefs?