/sci/ - Science & Math

why is equaling past performance from half a century ago so difficult if dramatic scientific and technological progress has been occurring ever since?

>>14681704

The purpose of the Apollo program was to demonstrate the superiority of American technology over the commies. Today the iphone can do that and there is no political reason to pay for more moon landings. As far as science goes they could send rovers to gather any samples they could want for much less money and no risk to life. Do they really need a black woman with a hammer on the moon ?

>>14681712
Dude there are parts of America that were more developed, prosperous and civil 50 years ago that they are today, decline, corruption and decay doesn't get televised. No one has ever reversed this phenomena, It's nature's last laugh.

>>14681704
>Why does NASA or ESA need 20 years of study and training to return to the Moon?

Going to a different place with different goals.

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>>14681793
They aren't going anywhere, and ESA hasn't gone anywhere, technocratic Long-termism is dead because social collapse and economic decadence.

>>14681793
They aren't going anywhere, ESA hasn't gone anywhere ever, All form of Long-termism is dead thanks to social collapse and economic decadence.

>>14681712
Tons of reasons
>NASA budget got absolutely gutted after the Soviet Union collapsed
>They can't reuse their old rocket designs because they are so dated no one can make the parts needed anymore(No one makes custom-welded rocket motors, TTL computers and threaded-core memory)
>The safety requirements that were implemented due to the shuttle disasters means anything new has to be triple-redundant and more thoroughly tested, driving up costs
>Shit costs more than it did back then, in general
>The current rocket they are building to do it has to reuse tech from the Space Shuttle to appease old-space lobbyists, handicapping them with rocket tech from the 80's

Corruption at the upper levels. Not just the guy in charge but the the entire 10% highest paid employees are corrupt. Some guys at the bottom but every single guy at the top.

>>14681810
>All form of Long-termism is dead thanks to social collapse and economic decadence.

sucks for Russia.

>>14681834
> sucks for Russia
US society has devolved into a decayed primitive state and it's beyond the point of return.

>>14681704
Don't worry, anon
Now that china started space race 2 we will have plenty of useless trips to the moon

>>14681793

what are the scientific goals of NASAs current moon program again?

>>14681901
You aren't going anywhere, China is likely going to moon and further.

>>14681910
NASA's current goal is to be a Money laundering institution.

>>14681911
I get that you are tired of the west, but believing in china is idiotic.
Not that any of that matters, moon colonization is impossible as it is.

>>14681918
Everything is meaningless and impossible for nihilists, I am a nihilist too as far as west is concerned, it's just that China isn't a nihilist yet, so it gonna try and do things.

>>14681927
I am no nihilist.
Anon you are wholly uneducated on the topic of china and you have no idea what it takes to make a heavenly body kneel to our needs.
>1) China
China does not care about cool space stuff, China wants to prove the west wrong. So much so that they teamed up with the Taliban.
China is basically North Korea with money. Their tech is almost always either fake or stolen,they have destroyed the ecosystem around their area, major parts of china are massive fake buildings with no residents. Most of china lives in the mud and in fear, and most of their achievements are fakes.
I would recommend you this channel: https://www.youtube.com/user/serpentza
This is a south african dude who was one of the biggest pro china voices on youtube. He lived there for over a decade. He is now speaking out against the tyrannical dictatorship.

>2) Moon
Human beings as they are will never be able to live comfortably on the moon as it is
why?
>The moon's gravity is too weak for homo sapiens. We will lose bone and muscle density at a rate faster than we can grow it
>There is no atmosphere and the ground is full of lung piercing dust
>There is not an ounce of water
Theoretically speaking, we could create a vivarium big enough for a city on the moon, but the gravity would still weaken us dramatically. We could also use a spinning city in order to create artificially stronger gravity, but that would make the place even smaller, and in the end, you would not be able to actually enjoy the moon, just have month long days and live like a fish in a tank.

>>14681910
There are entire websites dedicated to Artemis. Feel free to visit them.

Imagine how excited China will be to put people on the moon like 70 years after the USA did it. Sad!

>>14682048
Watch china try to say that the american moon landings were fake after they get there, and threaten movie companies with permanent bans unless they remove scenes of the landings in their movies.

>>14681704

>>14681757
no, she needs to be muslim and in a wheelchair too, bigot

>>14682118
now post the absolute dollar values

>>14682131
>NASA budget in 2021 constant dollars (millions)
>1966 - $49,551
>2020 - $23,621

>Since its inception, the United States has spent nearly US$650 billion (in nominal dollars) on NASA.

>>14682153
It is worth noting that not all missions are done for war games. Much of it went into technologies used today involving transmission used by billions of people and research that has impact on humanity.
Most of the money does not come from the material, it comes from paying thousands of people high paying jobs over decades, people who are not businessmen, who buy stuff like normal folks and put the money back into the economy.

>>14681704
Better question is why didn't they land in april so it would've been 4.20.69

>>14681712
technology is not a ladder. Advances in one field only help so much in others. Plus we have gone backwards in many ways, people are dumb as shit now.

>>14681704
Because they almost died from the dust, 2 more days and their suits would be destroyed. Artemis program is sending us there back anyway with better technology

>>14681704

>>14681704
never happened
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