/sci/ - Science & Math

>>14677516

>>14677315
Yeah they do

3rd for barrelbody

>>14677521
anon, power density of this kind only matters when you can find it in abundance to use readily like oil on Earth. Methane and oxidizer produced on Mars would be wasted in an ICE, if such an engine even could exist. With the lower gravity, I don't think carrying around lots of batteries will be that bad if regeneration is possible. You would just needs lots of capacity.

>>14677480
Hell, just hook up a turbopump at that point.

>>14677533
He has an abnormaly large chest . Also , perfect engineer pale skin tone

>>14677533
Why is his rib cage so big?

>>14677516
retro lunar surface art that has steep jagged mountains with flat plains inbetween makes my peepee hard

>>14677537
>>14677538
I'll admit it, I knew it was a bad idea all along. They're just cool, fuck, it's not fair.

>>14677542
Yeah, I'm fairly confident a functional design wouldn't include a compressor stage, airbreathing would only really be useful for cooling, but since I imagine you're working with cryogenic fuels anyway, you'd probably use those to cool the turbine. Probably turboshaft -> turbopumps -> turbine
Realistically, as well, you're not going to break 30% efficiency on Mars, probably not even going to come close to touching it.

>>14677544
>>14677549
very large ribcages to deal with the thin Martian air has been a feature of both aliens and human colonists in fiction, Elon was physiologically destined to take us to Mars

>>14677549
unironically steroid abuse

>>14677567
this

>>14677533
>>14677562

>>14677533

>>14677567
Why was he abusing steroids then? He was never jacked.

>>14677582
why the webbed feet?

>>14677592
to swim in the canals, duh

>>14677549
Probably arthritis or some other back problem. Dont see him coughing a bunch in his interviews so likely not lung problems.

Starlink loader was moved to the new shed they built with a gantry crane in it

>>14677592
they're not webbed, its the prehensile toes all low gravity dwellers will get

>>14677525
>that pic
>that engine placement
I hope not or we will not be going to space today

>>14677516
FTS Archive
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1KCJBL632oieD1r6JOh_5Eg9NTcf_-hH8?usp=sharing

7 New stamps, 1978-1991 USSR
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1PNSqNdTewF-MM7FSioItOVvIP5wtGxnR?usp=sharing

>>14677603
Oh he definitely has back problems. Why does it cause his chest to protrude though?

>>14677605
Anon was right then, it's the (presumably somewhat cleanroomish) payload processing area.

>>14677660
Only the nosecones go in there and come out with a payload inside.
They'd have to mate nosecone and upper bulkhead in advance which they don't do right now.

impulse announces 2024 mars lander to be launched on terran r
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uuL7iYUNg6o
impulse requests that any cum tributes be directed to the ceo

tom mueller tim ellis tom markusic tim dodd

>>14677688
Interesting, but that definitely won't happen in 2024.

>>14677530
one of the best pics

static when

>>14677726
2 weeks

>>14677688
honestly, I'll never be impressed with anybody replicating the Viking experiments unless they intentionally use the same tech that NASA would have used 50 years ago. Half a century later it should be fucking solved.

>>14677729
it's a joint technology demonstration. mueller couldnt give a shit if it burned up in the martian atmosphere. the point is the cheap delta v

>>14677742
it's just sad that we're constantly repeating demonstrations that haven't grown in ambition since the end of apollo

It's over.

>>14677752
What are they doing today?

>>14677742
>mueller
>impulse space
>mueller
oh now it clicked. i hope they succeed

>>14677758
Getting arrested.

Fuck Earth! Martian Independence now.

>>14677742
>>14677729
>>14677750
Private companies have never ventured out onto another planet, even as demonstrator missions.

If they make it, it will be the first. It will be a achievement for sure. SpaceX plans a huge achievement, but may not be the first achievement

>>14677760
Unlikely, SpaceX maintains a small but effective paramilitary presence. The government fears this.

>>14677781
lolwat. There are cameras crawling up every orifice SpaceX has and there's barely evidence of armed guards.

>>14677792
>he doesn't see them
Because they're very good. ULA has lost six snipers in 12 months and you never even saw them.

>>14677812
o_O

>>14677854
why do white people love to go to the south pole? there's nothing there LOL

>>14677654
>It happens when the ribs and back get so stiff or inflamed they get stuck in an inhale or open position.

>Other rare genetic conditions can affect the rib cage and bones in the back, triggering a barrel chest. These inherited conditions include:
>pectus carinatum
>scoliosis
>Dyggve-Melchior-Clausen syndrome
>Marfan syndrome
>sialidosis

https://www.healthline.com/health/what-is-barrel-chest-and-what-causes-it#diagnosis

>>14677866
Youre white too op

>>14677866
thats just a photo backdrop, he wasn't really there

Why was the N1 so shit?

>>14677962
Soviet weaknesses in computer chip fabrication and materials science.

>>14677962
No testing

>>14677962
Many design limitations.

How much space radiation and charged particles would be blocked by putting a shield just between the crew and the sun, as opposed to shielding the whole ship? e.g. water tank in floor

>>14677962
it was full of balls

so what are the steps required till starship hop?
They got the list of what they need to do from FAA, but how do they proof they fulfill all those requirements. Is it another year long process of burocracy where those fucks at FAA discuss for month wether a specific requirement has been met or not?

If powering a large dozer might be hard, could it be better to send 4.smaller ones instead?

Or that would prevent deep digging capabilities? Oh and I see you want it to be heavy for leverage so it doesn't tip over when digging and lifting up ground.

Is starship partly made so large so that it can carry a lot of supplies? What is its cargo weight limit, it has a large cargo hold?

>>14677994
elon said next month so NET Q1 2023

>>14677994
There's no more starship hops. There's now the full stack orbital flight.

1) booster needs to pass inspection
2) booster needs to roll out
3) booster needs to test static fire
4) stack starship on booster
5) finish final flight license
6) flight.

>>14677975
Solar radiation can be blocked with solar panels and a bit of PVC. It's the cosmic ayys you have to watch out for and they're nearly impossible to shield.

>>14677999
>3) booster needs to test static fire
What if it's too powerful to not have those explosions being static?

That if it was let loose right when it's fired it lifts and works fine? But holding it static causes too much build up.

Was it figured out what went wrong yet?

>>14678006
That's a solved problem, sparklers. 19.95 each.

>>14677994
No more hops until SpaceX decided to catch the Ship. Methane tanks are now overlapping the landing pad.
>>14678006
The explosion was an anomaly. You fix it by >>14678008

>>14677988
would you say Soviets dropped the balls with every N1 launch?

>>14678006
They aren't doing full engine spin tests. They'll just do smaller scale spin tests.

Static fire test is different as the combustion happens properly. However there might still be some unknown problems with full 33 engine lighting.

>>14678003
yes but are the cosmic ayys from the galaxy comparable in strength to the cosmic ayys from the sun?

>>14677866
because it's the place furthest from brown "people"

>>14678026
cosmic ayys by definition are extrasolar

>>14678026
HZE cosmic rays are motherfuckers to block, solar protons are easy to deal with

>>14677995
I don't know much about bulldozers but Starship is definitely made to haul large amounts of cargo.
The entire section from the methane dome upwards is payload space.
It's weight limit is between 100 and 150 metric tons, all of which can land on the martian surface given a dozen or so refuelings in low earth orbit.

>The military industrial complex getting money to bomb innocent children in the Middle East
Good
>SpaceX getting money to fly people to Mars
Bad

Why are normies like this?

>>14678113
People who complain about the latter would probably also complain about the former.

>>14678133
I complain about the former lol. People were mad SpaceX won the HLS contract but are okay with Lockheed and Draper getting 4X the money

>tiles literally taped on
lol

>>14678163
>People were mad SpaceX won the HLS
1) leftoids who hate the rich/private companies
2) rightoids who hate the new comers
3) tesla shortsellers people
4) russians/europeans seething at SpaceX

Aka people who don't matter

>>14678170

>>14678017
>>14678023
What the sparklers do

>>14678190
Produce sparks.

>>14677995
they are offering fully electric, remotely NLOS controlled construction equipment already
just roll out thin film solar panel carpet with extension cord and you are good to go
the technology is there

>>14678190
Throw a going away party for the engine

>>14678190

>>14678170
Space grade glue

>>14678190
Sparkers functions as a means to gives self importance to retards.

>>14678190
Ignite any vapor/gas before it collects enough to deal damage

>>14678170
nothing a little ducktape can't fix

>>14678170
soul

>>14678066
So it burns a lot of fuel getting off earth then needs refuel for trip to mars.

And will there be a testing learning curve or take off landing with a full cargo hold? Or it shouldn't be an issue, just strap everything down real tight. And even so nothing about the weight or possible motion of the cargo could have negative influence on take off and landing?

Then there is the challenge, this unmanned full cargo flight with solar farms packed in, bulldozers and batteries, and building materials, 3d printers, science experiment materials,

How is it getting unpacked from the ship.

Also is there any uncertainty about the ships materials, size, computer systems exiting the earths atmosphere and ionosphere and other ospheres?

>>14678199
>>14678200
I used to think these ignite the engines, turns out its not that easy in rockytre

So any informed guesses as to how chamber ignition on R2 works?
Is it just that the gasses coming off the preburners are so hot they autoignite?

>>14678346
>Is it just that the gasses coming off the preburners are so hot they autoignite?
in that case how do they ignite the preburner?

>>14678363
Two torch igniters with spark plugs. They just deleted the one off the main chamber.

>>14678346
that would be both hilarious and ingenious lol

>>14678281
>How is it getting unpacked from the ship.
I'll fucking do it. Put me in, coach.

so why cant they use a spark plug in the main chamber? you would think these gases would have an easy time igniting

>Mars approach soon
>no plans to send anything, even with F9/heavy
why

>>14678387
it's not igniting the engines, it's preventing build-up of gases underneath

>>14678416
I hate how low IQ niggers can't into context

>>14678387
The real answer to your question is that they can use a torch ignited by a spark plug in the main chamber. They did that on Raptor 1.
You have to somehow feed fuel and ox into that torch and then once the chamber starts up prevent the combustion gasses from backflowing through the feed lines.
Deleting all that valving and tubing for sure saves mass, cost and failure modes if you can somehow still get the MCC to light up.

>>14678464
>VR demos
What a waste, just build a real mockup

voont

>>14678402
Man i was really hoping that they would have starship doing orbital launches by now
Would have been kino to do a barebones mars attempt this year

>>14678491
>Man i was really hoping that they would have starship doing orbital launches by now
A year of FAA delay was the unexpected one. Without which, SpaceX would have launched atleast 4-5 boosters by now.

>>14677866
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wanderer_above_the_Sea_of_Fog
I've heard some wignats say that such things are the embodiment of the Faustian Spirit, same with space travel.

Rotating colonies should be established before Mars, and mass drivers on the moon before that.

>>14678506
Pure, refined, copium

>>14678281
Curious about this.

-how full cargo hold could effect launch, land

-how unmanned cargo will be unloaded

-will accidental movement of cargo during flight be bad

Spinhab chads rise up

EARTHER (derogatory)

>>14677549
It is not. A combination of angle and desperately holding his belly to not look out of shape.

I admire the guy, but come on, how can it be harded to just exercise a couple of times per week instead of constantly retracting your abdomen like this.

Also, I voted for Trump and also approve of his stances in general, but look at his posture in picrel, clearly attempting to tuck his belly. This is just pathetic. These fuckers need some serious training asap.

>>14678556
you're never going to space

Imagine the industrial and agricultural potential.

>>14678537
No. Direct to Mars, deploy plenty of cargo with food/supplies. Then send in people who want to live there forever. No coming back, full staying and dying till last moment. Have them build out structures, and such.

>>14678569
Start a gofund me And a kickstarter

>>14678570
>Then send in people who want to live there forever. No coming back, full staying and dying till last moment.
The first course of action would be the race for pregnancy to claim your child as the first martian

For All Mankind is retarded but the premise of the USSR becoming capitalist-esque like modern China and an economic powerhouse is really neat. I’m curious how realistic it is

>>14678583
what happens to china in the senpaiverse? stays decrepit or becomes a third leg in a cold war or just isn't mentioned

>>14678570
Gotta walk before you can run. A mass driver can deliver payloads to near anywhere in the solar system. Have the Mars colony automated, maybe even put some cylinders in L5 around Mars for remote operation. I don't know about you, but if we're going to space, I'd prefer not having my grandchildren get weak bones and be unable to visit other planets.

I think you're conflating this with the expansion into the Americas, but you'd be better off with established semi-regular orbital "islands" of people and cargo, and a cheap location for domestic agriculture and industry.

I'd reccomend you read "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress" by Robert A. Heinlein for reference.

>>14678607
Third leg. In 1996 they have Shenzhou flying earlier than our timeline.

>>14678614
Based rare artwork accurately showing the color variations on the moon

>>14678465
>spend too much money
NOOO DO IT CHEAPER
>make an inexpensive VR demo
NOO SPEND MORE MONEY

>>14678564
Usually when he does that hand gesture, he leans forward, so that image is a bit misleading.

Anyways, not spaceflight.

>>14678583
Unrealistic. The USSR was run by retards, but even worse it had safety measures intact to ensure it would always be retarded no matter what happened. I’m not trying to exaggerate or dish out low blows, and this isn’t just the power of hindsight. Soviet russia was very dumb from a socioeconomic and power perspective. Just look at the history of the country through the lens of their space program—every opportunity they had to leapfrog their own achievements (as well as the US) was undermined by bureaucracy and gulag banishing

>>14678620
Selene is beautiful

>>14678628
That demo probably cost tens of millions

>>14678183
Are they fucking glued in place?
This doesn’t make sense at all.

>spacex is continuing the minimal non-obstructive commentary on their starlink live streams
based. CRS in comparison is like watching the fucking news

>>14678671
How new are you?

https://twitter.com/sciguyspace/status/1549488283171917829
>NASA says its Nancy Grace Roman Telescope will launch on a Falcon Heavy rocket in October 2026. Contract is valued at $255 million, which includes the launch service and other mission related costs.

>>14678703
Neat

>>14678687
I don’t follow spacex that much, not a fan. I’m genuinely asking.

>Chelomei and Korolev couldn’t agree on their moon rocket designs
>Korolev and Chelomei decide to work on their own lunar designs out of spite for one another
>USSR enables this and doesnt make a decision on the lunar program until 1965
>Chelomei still negotiates getting money to build his rocket until 1969 anyways
>N1 fails four times
>In 1974, after getting a massive upgrade and ready for its next flight, politics get the N1 cancelled out of spite (again).
What was their problem holy shit

>>14678671
Why do you think they fall down after someone farts?

>>14678718
3 pins that pop/lock into holes on the tile

>>14678551
Bezos is right about spinhabs, but unfortunately it looks like he can't be bothered to get off his ass to make advancement toward them happen.

>>14678722
Chelomei and Korolev ran competing design bureaus so of course they would never agree on anything. The real kicker was the split between Glushko and Korolev

Why nobody talks about colonizing space with frozen embryos and exowombs?

Not as sexy as StarTrek, but likely much more viable due to FTL limits.

>>14678748
Doesn't work unless you have perfect radiation shielding

>>14678703
The fuck, I thought the Romans were gone...

>>14678734
Eww, imagine having space faring technology, and still bringing organic life and shitty homo sapiens houses with you.

>>14678183
one-time-install metal TPS is the great filter

>>14678741
It honestly feels like having Chelomei or Glushko or Korolev randomly die in 1960 would be better for the Soviet space program

>>14678614
Why the fuck would you need a mass driver when Starship can just launch 100 ton at a go?

Stop being a fucking nigger

>>14677617
Man to Mars... frozen? (7.9.1961)

Core body temperature to -190

- The first American, who will be sent on an 18 month trip to Mars or Venus, may be "deep frozen" to save the precious space required for food and oxygen reserves, says young american researcher dr. Charles Huggins at the surgical congress in Dublin.

- Dr. Huggins spoke to 500 intrigued surgeons about the matter of requiring an immensely large spaceship to send a man to Mars, or Venus, and back with the required food reserves and oxygen.

- The ideal solution would be to freeze a man to -190 degrees negative, and to send him to space in this state. During the 18 month trip he would not have to eat nor breathe. His heart and other vital organs would temporarily stop functioning.

- Dr. Huggins said to have "somewhat successfully" to have frozen goldfish.

>>14678782
Mass drivers don't require fuel, and are much easier in low gravity environments. Keep in mind that SS uses methane, which is more difficult to process on the Moon, when the ideal early solution is hydrogen based ships for sending things back to Earth

>>14678786
Its a real shame we found out that we can't freeze humans like we can hamsters

>>14678748
Because if you have an AI that can raise children to be fully functional adults, then you have AI that don't need human explorers to give it guidance.

>>14678786
>>14678748
Freezing doesn't work either
Think of all the radiation damage that your body can't repair while you are frozen

>>14678748
How early can they use the artificial womb?
Cause that lamb looks like it only has a month left

>>14678797
>AI that can raise children
Kys

>>14678801
I think the main contributor to the cryofreeze theory was the fact that human cells are too complex. Freezing them would far too often lead to crystallization and expansion, and as you said, no damage can be repaired.
IIRC that's why research is currently being done on medically induced coma for space travel, which would function very similarly.

whats the testing being done today?

>>14678620
What materials make up the blueish section?

>>14678809
That's even worse since you will get bone/muscle loss lol

>>14678634
>Soviet russia was very dumb from a socioeconomic and power perspective

And if they joined the Nazis instead of America?

>>14678817
There are some who have awoken from years of coma, and they could get back in shape in a few weeks perhaps. Would probably take less time with a 6 month trip to Mars. You could also wake the crew up at intervals to get some exercise in.

>>14678752
Not really that difficult if the spaceship is big enough, embryos are small.
You put them at the center protected by a few meters of shielding made of other needed materials.

>>14678547
>how full cargo hold could effect launch, land
>-how unmanned cargo will be unloaded
>-will accidental movement of cargo during flight be bad

>>14678822
>There are some who have awoken from years of coma, and they could get back in shape in a few weeks
That's in the presents of gravity though

>>14678827
I think there should be some research done into how much gravity do you need to avoid serious atrophy over a 6 month period.
Could you get away with something as little as 0.2 G, maybe 0.4 G?

>>14678782
You're the nigger who refuses to see the value of daisy chaining nuke plants to a railgun. Increase payload mass without excess fuel.

>>14678545
>>14678569
>>14678734
>Let's build hyper massive space ships just to put a bunch of farms and single family homes in them
Kek. In reality it would look more like a hong kong on steroids with termite like structures and people sleeping in little pods while food would be grown in tubes or something. They would be as space efficient as possible.

>>14678757
we are taking life to the stars bugman, cry more

>>14678839
Open green spaces are a health feature.

>>14678818
It would have needed to go the other way around: Nazis not betraying Stalin

>>14678844
A bunch of airfilters can do the same job, at most you'd have indoor plants placed on ceilings or walls for personal reasons. In any place where space is a limited ressource, open greenspace is the last thing you'd build.

Starships first mission to Mars, what's planned to be brought on the ship, is the first mission planned to be manned?

>>14678857
Hydroponic gardens that produce food and oxygen? Or all food will be prepackaged mre? Can't get all the way out to mars and have a food and water shortage. Which reminds me, how are we getting a year or 10 or more years worth of water for everyone on Mars?

>>14678791
There infinite methane on Earth, why would you care about it? It only costs $1M to fuel up.

>>14678852
even if the two states were compatible, and let’s just say for the sake of argument that hitler escaped the war unscathed and kept everything up to belgium or france or whatever and then had his own third reich space program, I’m pretty sure they would cut all ties with the soviet space program. They would have been a pain in the ass to deal with lol

>>14678858
Probably nothing. SpaceX wouldn’t risk their giant ISRU and power farm on the first Mars entry

>>14678862
My best guess is genetically engineered food that can be grown in bioreactors, like for example hydrogenotroph organisms which can be grown with only hydrogen and carbon dioxide (in fact solar food proteins are grown like this), they also create oxygen.
As for water, probably recycling. Peeing, crapping, breathing etc. all creates fluids and moisture which can be recovered within the space ship. Otherwise the only other method to get water is from asteroids or other planets. I mean there are plenty of ways to do it, the question is always just how much space and weight does it take.

>>14678862
no anon, fruit takes up too much space, and is too fragile ntm they require ridiculous amounts of water. very inefficient, instead, when in the tube you must eat the bugs.

>>14678867
Why it cost so much? Isn't methane cause global warming problems?

Attatch methane catchers on all cows asses, profit?

>>14678873
So the first mars mission would be just to get the star ship to touch down, and then take off back to earth?

It seems a waste of time and everything, to wait 7 month windows and not deliver anything of use for the next flight, or even experiment with how cargo loads would be dropped off from star ship, may as well.

>>14678810
It's not. It's a live launch that we're going to sneak past those fucks at the FAA.

>>14678919
Who gives a shit about global warming, you god damn weasel

>>14678892
>Otherwise the only other method to get water is from asteroids or other planets. I mean there are plenty of ways to do it, the question is always just how much space and weight does it take.
I may be off base saying this, but you seem to sound quite cartoony scifi-y, as we approach making these trips a reality only the most serious possible immediate practical applications can be considered, of course the more challenging can still be working on in the mean time, but come on its go time

>>14678935
Ok, ok. But why it cost 1mil just for methane fill up, when it's considered by some to be abundantly dangerously prevelent?

I'm geussing, impure not the right type of methane, ok that makes sense.

Where they get the methane from and how they fill up that big tank?.

>>14678791
>moon
Drop it on earth.

>>14678919
Carbon capture with cheap solar is almost economically viable.

>>14678935
>Who gives a shit about global warming
Earthers do.

>>14678943
>only the most serious possible immediate practical applications can be considered
Unfortunately those are the ones i have listed.
>1. you recycle whatever water fluids you have stored on the ship
>2. you harvest it from whatever planet you sit on (like for example mars has frozen water available in some areas on which you could build a base)
>3. you can harvest it from asteroids that contain hydrogen as a byproduct of asteroid mining if you're able to make it commercially profitable.

Which choice is the most reasonable or practical for whatever mission you have is up to you, but nothing else can be done.

Terraform industries has an working reactor!

https://nitter.lent/0xDEADCE11/status/1547832403716030470#m

>>14678839
That kind of setup wouldn't last long. think about it; if you think these living conditions are dystopian, the people living there would agree, even more so than you do.
Something like this would fall apart when the working class of your station stops working, and suddenly your station is on the verge of collapse.

>>14678703
>Contract is valued at $255 million, which includes the launch service and other mission related costs
>$255 million
that's so expensive wtf

>>14679044
Fix your link

>>14679044
bro... what is this shit
also fix your link

>>14679070
It's a big space telescope. It's gonna have some pretty wild extras in the handing requirements section alone. It's probably big enough to need the extended payload fairing too.

>>14679031
I geuss eventually it won't be so nervousness about 1 flight, but send 20 starships at once, then in a week 20 more
All packed with food and supplies

>>14679044
>>14679084
>Non-expendable reagents.
jesus christ
is casey going to be a billionaire?

>>14679050
Noone is going to be on Mars who isnt 1000% psyched willing to risk their life to be there. They will tolerate the cool sleek sexy space age aesthetics

>>14678839
Kill yourself chink

Holy shit I came here just to see if anyone was talking about that radio signal MIT caught today just to find the most retarded people on the site.

>>14679192
What MIT-spotted radio signal?

>>14679199
https://www.boston.com/news/local-news/2022/07/18/mit-researchers-detect-unusual-radio-signal/

>A boy, aged 8, enraged by factual errors in an educational video about China’s space programme filmed storming out of the screening in disgust
>Yan is a space enthusiast who makes cardboard rocket models and even teaches classes online for other devotees, says his father
> Eight-year-old Yan Hongsen went to a planetarium with his father on July 16 in Lhasa, Tibet, an autonomous region of China. During the visit, the boy noticed that a science education film played for visitors contained numerous inaccuracies, such as confusing the Long March 3 rocket with the number 5 rocket.
>”What are they showing here!,” the boy can be heard angrily asking in the video. “How can they caption this as Long March 5? This is Long March 3!”
> Yan has been a space science enthusiast since he was just four years old and makes cardboard rocket models and teaches online classes for other enthusiasts, his father said.
> “Like many other parents, we were eager to learn about his interests,” the father said. “So we began to try various things, like digging up rocks for him and taking him to see trains, until one day he saw the launch of the Venezuelan Remote Sensing Satellite-2 at the Jiuquan satellite launch centre.”
>“He became interested in space science as a result of the rocket launch. And because of space science, he fell in love with astronomy and military affairs.”

https://amp.scmp.com/news/people-culture/trending-china/article/3185801/chinese-boy-goes-viral-after-he-storms-out

Is he /ourguy/ ?

>>14679192
>>14679204
Go back then

>>14679204
Ahh, that one. Hard to say what's to talk about with that one though, since natural astrophysical sources are about all we can point to with this kind of thing. Maybe it's a particularly weird kind of quasar.

>>14679212
It's definitely noise from aliens launching planetary bombardments.

>>14679206
based

>>14679218
Would ayylmaos have an equivalent to "EARTHERS (derogatory"?

>>14679239
Firefly?

>>14679218
It's going to be a real kick in the teeth when they get here in a billion years.

>>14679242
yes

>>14679233
We'd simple be labelled as "Spacelets" no better than alien babies

>>14679250
>he fell for einstein's tricks
Even if science god were right about lightspeed there's still shit like wormholes.

>>14677688
lol and, dare I say, lmao
This is Vulcan x Astrobotic on crack. And to the anon who said Hard R wouldn't be reused from the start, congrats. Time to call it Terran E instead.

>>14679148
you bet your ass he is. they dont call him basedey handmer fo nuthin

>>14678832
>>14678822
Thats with constant physical therapy when they are in the coma

>>14678823
We talking another solar system?
Because just the radiation from the ship might be enough to cause damage then

why the fuck do they do so many cryo tests

>>14679358
Chill out

>>14679358
Not flight ready

Why does Terran R have so many flight contracts and not Neutron.

>>14679414
Kiwis fuck sheep. 'nuff said

>>14679414
Peter is humbly and quietly building New Tron's 100 launch manifest

>>14679289
>there's still shit like wormholes.
>he fell for pop-soi tricks

>>14679414
rocketlab has a lot less to prove

I saw videos of rocket launch and the nozzle where the flame comes out gets so red hot glowing, can that be used indefinitely or will it at some point weaken? I have no clue how metal works

>>14679414
How does either have contracts if they are literally just paper ideas?

>>14679441
There are 2 ways to make a rocket nozzle. Either pump the cryogenic fuel through it to keep it cool, or overbuild it but without cooling so that it can handle the heat.

>>14679426
As much proof for wormholes as most of the other shit scientists spout.

>>14679442
you just agree to use their services under the stipulations that they can produce it on schedule and for the agreed-upon cost, Relativity gets some leverage for investors, and you've struck a deal for cheaper services with no drawback if they fail except a slightly more expensive F9 trip

why's everyone think relativity wont make it to mars? it just has to get the payload into space. the hard part is done by impulse. everyone is doing rockets these days, its not like relativity is on the bleeding edge of spaceflight.

>>14679466
Tbh their initial announcement and news stories made it sound d like they were landing Terran R on Mars.

>>14679417
this

>>14679466
They've done nothing at all that even begins to convince people they're capable of it

This is like a kid with a billion dollars saying he wants to launch a rocket to Mars and everyone just nodding politely

>>14679417
lol, Beck couldn't even build a 100 launch manifest for Electron.

>>14679482
true but they've got 2 years to make it. they could get out several launches by then.

So
>>14679501
yet Astra has hundreds of customers. make you wonder

This shit is so bad holy fuckkkkkk

Oh no

>>14679524
Well that's bleak

>>14679522
>EPOC
is that a diversity thing?

>>14679452
Don't forget about ablatives and film cooling

>>14679565
Hear me out, rocket nozzles made out of solid fuel

Double the unexpected explosions or your money back

>>14679482
I'm no fan of Relativity, but they deserve some credibility for having Terran 1 so close to launch

>>14679501
2 years to prove a brand new engine with no substantial hardware, let alone the rocket that goes with it? Good luck with that.

>>14679522
What is the objection exactly?

>>14679578
It's the same engine as on the Terran 1 Block 2 which is still targeting 2022. Meanwhile RL stans don't blink at a 2024 launch date with an entirely new engine.

>>14679578
To be fair the engine for Terran R is supposed to fly on Terran 1 flight 3. They will replace all nine engines on Terran 1 with the bigger “R” engine. Think like how SpaceX considered replacing all nine Merlins of Falcon 9 with a single “Merlin 2”, and then using a cluster of Merlin 2’s on a bigger rocket

>>14679599
RocketLab is cool but their fans are so retarded lol

>>14679599
there are no rocket lab stans. there's investors, bots, and #teamspace #cuckold #faggots that just LOVE EVERYBODY #NSF

>>14679600
It's like the Falcon 1 which used a single Merlin engine, as an obvious first step for a bigger rocket they were simultaneously developing. While I'm skeptical about some of the claims from Relativity, they're one of the few new space companies smart enough to actually copy SpaceX while everyone else went full retard trying to one up each other in small-lift.

I'm having Elon Musk's baby.

>>14679637
Need a name? Smash your fists on the keyboard a few times and use that

>>14679637
cool :) post boobies?

>>14679628
You'll be sorry when you see how much money i made on Astra

>>14678812
Titanium rich minerals like ilmenite.

>>14679655
Kek, I already made money on Astra playing hot potato during the SPAC mania. It has fallen so much in value that buying here wouldn't be entirely unreasonable as a high-risk high-reward rebound play but don't you dare shill the company in /sfg/ threads or I'll have an aneurysm.

>>14679670
i should clarify i made the money shorting it

>>14679677
Based, that does make me jealous. My country's tax laws are disadvantaged to anything besides buy and hold, plus I'm a pussy so I never short companies despite often recognizing scams in far advance of the market.

https://www.benzinga.com/markets/cryptocurrency/22/07/28109101/elon-musk-says-he-has-already-uploaded-his-brain-to-the-cloud
>Elon Musk says he has 'already' uploaded his brain to the cloud
This is it sfg, elon musk will be reusable from now on

>>14678932
Using Starship, it'll take multiple launches just to refuel for the Mars shot. So first they'll send up a depot ship, then multiple tanker missions, and then, only after the 6-10 launches required to stockpile enough fuel in orbit, send up a Mars ship carrying a mission payload.
1st mission payload, in my opinion, should be just satellites. This will build on SpaceX's existing experience with Starlink. You can probably fit several communications satellites in there, either a big Mars-synchronous one to communicate with the landing site or a train of "Marslink"-type satellites. These can be used to communicate with all subsequent missions, lower the transmission strength required by the base station (making their rovers less expensive going forward), and improve total data transmission rate so they get more out of each mission. It could also rideshare out some (paying) scientific customers' satellites.
Then, once the Starship has deployed its load of satellites, it will attempt a zero-payload landing. This will give SpaceX practice performing by far the riskiest part of the process without risking an expensive payload. The lower landing mass will also make for a slightly more forgiving landing. It allows SpaceX to claim the 'first private company to land on Mars' title (if no one beats them to it), and the grounded Starship will still have some utility - its onboard radios could be used as a navigation aid for future missions, and eventually its body will be repurposed by later landers.
So, 1st mission, satellites. 2nd mission, bulldozer.

>You could have been rich if SpaceX was public but instead you'll have to wagecuck for the rest of your life
oof

>>14679705
>bulldozer
Forced meme. Excavators can do everything a bulldozer can do and they can double as a crane

SpaceX only develops new engines so Elon ever increasing mass can reach orbit.

>>14679693
This is actually big if true but it’s probably some AI chatbot that mimics his speech

ITS was the better design in the long run

What's the most ideal engine and engine configuration for 18m Starship?
>In b4 100+ Raptor 3s
no

>>14679789
You need a new engine. 18 m is 2X the diameter and 4X the volume as 9 m starship so you’d need 132 Raptors on the Superheavy.

>>14679750
I mean, I'm the one that posted the initial bulldozer proposal in the last thread. If it's been 'forced' previously, I was unaware.
And yes, an excavator (or perhaps something like a backhoe/front-end loader) might offer more overall utility. I'm mostly just arguing that rovers should be designed like construction vehicles rather than like rolling laboratories. "Bulldozer" gives a clearer mental image, though.

>>14679789
a single 18m hydrologgs bell

>>14679800
>so you’d need 132 Raptors on the Superheavy.
Imagine the smell

>>14679800
Good thing Gigaheavy and hold up to 146 Raptor2s

>>14679084
>>14679079
Methane burning? Link is fine.
>>14679148
Yes.
>>14679789
18m is bad. Elon already said 6 would probably be optimal. There is no reason to make a new ship, just refuel in orbit. Anything too big for a single starship should be assembled in orbit. Even new SMRs are designed to be transported by truck.

Maybe some day it will make sense to have +1000t ships but we are not there yet and it won’t be a starship but larger, the same way starship isn’t a F9 but larger.
It could be a massive two stages bell like the other anon said. Maybe with engines that are easily retractable behind a heat shield, maybe aero spikes to do away with the bell, or maybe the bells will just take the heat.

>>14679813
is there some physics problem with doing this or is it an engineering one?

Hybergoliggs :DDDD

>>14679843
>6 would probably be optimal
He probably meant in terms of how Starship fits into the current market, not that SpaceX would never make a larger vehicle since that would contradict far more of his previous statements. 18m Starship would initially be for refueling and large volume payloads.

>>14679843
>>14679868
>Elon already said 6 would probably be optimal
For initial development due to the level of difficulty in larger scale vehicles for testing purposes.

Can anyone find the 18m vs 6m twitter thread so we can settle this?

>>14679900
There's no "6m" from elon. There's only "<9m" and "18m"

>>14679900
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1410537178762027009
>Doubling diameter increases mass 4X, but difficulty of simultaneously building & launching rocket of that size is >>4X.
>In retrospect, <9m diameter for Starship might have been wise. Current size is ~5200 ton stack mass & ~7500 ton-F thrust, which is more than double Saturn V.
oh no no, 18m-starship bros...

>>14679911
It’s OVER. Zubrin’s mini starship won.

>>14679911
>4 (DEAD)X
o_o

>>14679808
Kek, I was just giving you shit because of how popular it was in recent threads. I do think proper Mars rovers will look more like a Cybertruck than anything else, and that same design could be extended to heavy equipment since they'll essentially be large electric vehicles, perhaps with a structural battery pack forming most of the chassis.

>>14679206
>Chinese state propaganda site
>Is he /ourguy/ ?

Maybe if you are wumao.

>>14679911
If Felon was forced to eat a hat every time he got something wrong or changed his mind, there'd be no more hats left on Earth.

driving to Austin from across the country bros, I'm moving to Texas. need to meet up with one of you fuckers in Boca Chica later this year for the orbital launch

>>14679953
When was the last time Elon was actually wrong instead of simply being overly optimistic?

>>14679206
>builds lego space stations and spaceships
I hope when I have a kid that they'd have the same enthusiasm for space

>>14679958
Elon was never wrong.

what's the impulse mars lander supposed to do anyway? its a commercial mission but where is the revenue stream?

>>14679987
Tech demonstrator. Achievement run.

>>14679989
they're really out there relying on hope that they can generate revenue out of the aether

>>14679991
If they got a halo, people will come.

>>14679993
>>14679991
The biggest halo anyone can get is "X company DESTROYS ELON MUSK" given the state of liberal news journos.

>>14679958
If you call that simply being overly optimistic there's no reasoning with you, pedo guy.

>just put a payload on our mars lander bro
the only way this can generate money is through data but there's no way you can get a ROI in the tens or hundreds of millions from mars data

>>14679853
combustion instability in large nozzles is generally why you see clustering at these scales

Also imagine the fucking size of the turbopump you'd need to run that

>>14679843
Link is broken, it doesn't lead anywhere

>>14680008
advertisements on the landing stream will pay for it and then some

>>14680002
>British expat living in Thailand
>not a pedo

pick one

>>14679968
That is a monkey's paw wish. A first he may just seem interested in space, then one day he'll hit you with a thousand facts about the Shuttle and why spaceplanes are so cool. Honor killing would be the only way out.

>>14680032
Where's the chinese spaceplane

>>14679968
>fiery personality that questions the decisions of authority
nah he's gonna get shot and tossed in a ditch by the time he's 20

>>14679705
>So first they'll send up a depot ship, then multiple tanker missions, and then, only after the 6-10 launches required to stockpile enough fuel in orbit, send up a Mars ship carrying a mission payload.
This is one reason moon base might be desired, huh. So you can just constantly send ships there delivering fuel and stuff, to not have to do things in orbit, or might it be more convienient to not have to land and refuel in moon gravity and take off again?

Also what is the hope with unmanned missions to mars dropping supplies? How would bulldozers or excavators be automated? It might seem like the first mission to Mars has to be like 20 ships

>>14680052
going to the moon is a waste of time for a mars misiion

>>14680032
I'm used to it due to this general

>>14680075
But in the long run is it not a lot to ask one crew load of the ship (how many people) to build the mars base and solar farm alone?

>>14680079
>>14680075
The situation is:
-How much work can be automated before people get there.
-How many missions/cargo deliveries (how is cargo unloaded without people) before a manned mission
-How many crew on first manned mission
-They arrive on Mars and what is their next 30, 60, 90, etc days of work and living like?

Do they live in the star ship while work on building the base during the day, I geuss.
Did the automated 3d printing robots and rovers already construct a lot of the base and solar farm.

>>14679705
You think the landing manuvers could struggle in mars atmosphere and gravity, or a lot of computer callibration to have it used to it? Is it fully ai automated the landing? And to have enough fuel to take off again and get back or the thought is that first star ship is staying?

It would be a bit of a horror for the star ship to touch down perfectly but on slightly rocky or sloped unsolid ground and tip over

Satelite idea sounds cool. Maybe the first unmanned starship can just double as the base, for the first manned crew to live in when they arrive.

I would say so their ship can be packed with supplies, but also is there this risk of having the first manned try to land packed with supplies, though obviously they need a lot of supplies, so maybe the first ship is living quarters and a decent amount of supplies but as you said not huge payload.

You think maybe there would be a few unmanned trips with supplies before a manned trip? To not have to wait so much between trips, maybe even send 3 or more rockets at once?

>>14680079
there will be dozens of unmanned starship cargo missions before manned missions
and the manned missions will also have cargo starships along with them
that was always the plan

>>14680120
meant for
>>14680110

Trappist pics dropped by Webb

>>14680126
Here’s the spectra data

>>14680110
landing will be automated
landing starships will not have enough fuel to go back, they either make the fuel on mars or have tanker starships along and land with them

>>14680126
>Pixelated hexagonal star glare
Kind of cool.

>>14680131
Is it just the star?

>>14680126
So it's literally nothing. Good thing exoplanet research is worthless

>>14680155
No idea man.

>>14680156
This is only 20 hours of observing time. Trappist is supposed to get more camera time on the 20th

>>14679569
How do you maintain integrity for burn time duration to get to orbit?

>>14680175
Make it thicker

>>14680179
Like thicker by mm or thicker by cm or Mm or km or MM or Gm?

>Artemis IV delayed to NET 2028
It’s over

>>14680183
Artemis IV is gonna get delayed to 2050. Didn't you read? Boeing said the next 100 years.

>>14680185
It’s over
Of but for real, this delay is because Bechtdel (I don’t know how to spell it), the company that makes the mobile launcher, says ML-2 is NET 2027

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KerG4ILWEa4
I will continue to shill for mass drivers and rotating colonies, and only then Mars will be feasible.

>>14680156
Would take minimum 50,000 years to get there as a most liberal estimate. Considering sci Fi wizards get their possible nuclear solar Lazer sail ideas to work

>>14680201
Rotating colonies are cool but the infrastructure to build them doesn’t exist yet and won’t for several decades. Colonizing mars is arguably way simpler, although also arguably not as good. But more than this, we can do it ASAP. You just need to print some habitats on Mars and you have a colony.

>>14677617
Found this while arranging some non-spaceflight stamps I had laying around.
Czechoslovakia, 1975, India's first satellite launched by the USSR

>neuron activation

>>14680203
Fusion could get you there in 400 years desu. Maybe robotic bodies + brain in a jar + nanomachines can help keep you alive in the trip

seeing how global warming is alot worse than predicted really underscores how badly we need space colonization to take off. this planet is dying and everyone stuck on it is fucked.

>>14680201
What's benefit of rotating colony over moon base, a moon base would be a rotating colony.

How provenly feasible is a mass driver? Is the idea only that it would work good on the moon, why no prototype on earth is tried? Start a go fund me

>>14680214
Global warming is an issue and I’m tired of people pretending it’s not to pwn the libs!!!! Or some shit. It sucks how everything has become a political “us vs them” thing. Like shit even conservatives dislike Tesla because…it’s just bad okay! Same with liberals and private spaceflight

>>14680213
>Fusion could get you there in 400 years desu.
Source

>>14680214
>>14680219
kek, global warming is a nothingburger. Just move away from the equator if it's too hot for you retard.

>>14680227
10% the speed of light X 40 light years = 400 years of travel

>>14680228
My fiance left Iraq because of some drought in the 2000s lol. Global warming let me meet her. God is good.

>>14680219
The only issue with global warming is if western governments continue to let the global south invade and ruin the most desirable areas on the planet. Normies only care about climate change because TPTB who want less property ownership and autonomy are telling them to.

>>14680201
>>14680209
>>14680215
I'm a huge fan of a rotating station, we could use it to find the minimum gravity required to healthy human function and plan out future bases from that.
Maybe the moon just won't be viable for low term habitation and would need constant crew rotation to avoid fucking people up, we don't know and can't know until we build a rotating station.

As for the technology we have been able to build a tube with a hab at either end that spins for decades, we just haven't thrown the money at it because they are heavier than a 0g station and launch costs are most of the cost.

>>14680316
A simple rotating tube is doable in 5 years but a massive O’Neil cylinder is a way way way into the future.

>>14680328
Oh yeah, I'm not talking about a permanent colony, just a station that can support people with resupply for a few years so we can see what is the minimum gravity needed.

>>14680232
Source of how fusion can safely get a spacecraft to 10% c and slow down again

>>14680219
Oh fuck off. Global warming is used as a tool bring down the quality of life, instead of improving it.

>>14680365

>>14677533
what's his nominal internal pressure?

>>14677962
>wasting time on different design philosphies
>no powerful kerolox engines as a result because MUH hypergolics
>have to rely on 30 smaller engines for the first stage
>piping is hell
>all efforts to control the firing fail because USSR just can't into advanced electronics

>>14679599
>>14679600
So, less than two years to develop that same engine. Got it.

>starbase1 has been down for months
That's lame.

>"The legislation allowed us to move forward with our nascent Commercial Crew Program."
>"The deal set a competition in motion between the government and the private sector, the dinosaurs and the furry mammals."
What did Lori Garver mean by this?

>>14678190
Remove any stray hydrogen that might build up. Even the Delta IV has sparklers, and that creates a major fucking hydrogen fireball on launch.

>>14680595
>What did Lori Garver mean by this?
Mammals came to dominate the land after the non-avian dinosaurs went extinct. Newspace is in the Mammalian space, while Oldspace is the non-avian dinosaurs.

I'm gonna have no internet for a week hopefully nothing too catastrophic or historic happens while i'm gone

>>14680595
She knows. She judges.

>>14680595
The competition between dinosaurs and furry mammals is stiff but I'd say dinos are slightly more attractive

>>14680420
>USSR just can't into advanced electronics
I don't get this meme. Soviet electronics was pretty par for the course compared to Apollo.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBIhzEZkWEA

>>14680628
2/10: lacks a neck, mood feathers, and raptor tits.

>>14680635
>Soyuz TM
that's like two decades after N1, dumbass

>>14680697
and Apollo for that matter

>>14680375
>TDS
sad

>>14680209
I know man, I think Mars is an excellent long-term. I'm just saying that establishing industrial footing on the moon before we extend past Earth's sphere of influence cannot be ignored.

Here's a moon playlist:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLIIOUpOge0Lv5kr9vrX8DJjlF1A3QWJ3D

>>14680214
>>14680219
>>14680228
Genetic engineering? Change is the only constant in nature; if global warming will be as bad as they say, perhaps we can modify humans to adapt to higher and cooler temperatures. If the polititans actually gave a damn about preventing Venus 2.0, they'd switch to fission for the time being.

>>14680635
At the time the US developed the Apollo AGC the USSR couldn't even dream to build something remotely similar.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msxq2OkCXnE

>>14680760
is that the same guy who predicted TSLA will be $30 a pop in 2021?

>>14680746
>cannot be ignored
why? I'm ignoring it right now. there was some study done a while back about 'industrialising the moon' and its conclusion was that based on the known makeup of the lunar surface/subsurface, using only in situ resources to build any kind of industry would be near impossible. like cylinders, any earth soi habitation is just going to be a huge expense for earth and nothing else. Mars on the other hand only requires an initial push for a few decades, and then bases can expand organically with no earth support.

>>14680746
The philosophy of “moon first” would just hold us back when we are entirely capable of going straight to Mars. That being said I don’t thing that discounts doing a Moon colony at the same time we make a small city on Mars

>muh climate change
just build a Dyson dot
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqiy8PRbgdM

>>14680214
>>14680219
Even super negative global warming predictions aren't really a huge deal. If you're worried about massive deaths and reduction in quality of living, nuclear proliferation, bioweapons, "meteors" (misc. deadly cosmic phenomena) and AI safety are much bigger deals. Global warming can be solved by moving to nuclear, pulling CO2 out of the ocean, a sunshade or lense in L1, or other smaller less ambitious ideas like marine cloud brightening. Pre-starship NASA listed a sunshade at 100B, even if we take an ultra-negative estimated, and say 500B contingent on a working Starship, global warming is solved permanently for less than what we already spend on defense in a single year. Once global warming becomes a big enough problem that it actually tangibly effects people who matter, they'll be willing to pay up, and engineers will solve it within a decade.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1859907/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4550401/

Probably worth a serious feasability study before declaring it the ultimate climate panacea, but you can throw a dart and hit a relatively serious, promising way of materially affecting global warming. Again, worst case scenario, we just start ripping CO2 out of the ocean and sticking it somewhere. That'd be disgustingly expensive, but we could do it with technology that exists now, and it would work.

>>14680794
climate change is from greenhouse gases trapping, not from the amount of solar radiation that is warming the atmosphere

>>14680783
i remember reading somewhere that the moon had plenty of aluminum and platinum to mine and build an industry upon
was that a lie?

>>14680800
what is the greenhouse gas trapping?

>>14680800
if you reduce the sunlight reaching Earth the planet will cool.
simple as.

>>14680807
existing heat, not just new heat

>>14680799
A sunshade would be an amazing project. If the current climate change were as real as claimed, it would be a no-brainer to begin development of it. I'm not sure about the details of its orbit-keeping, but it would also pave the way for real orbital assembly and mega-projects, not limited to climate change itself but protection of the planet from possible threats and also terraforming of other planets. The 100bn figure seems incredibly low for this scale. It's a bargain.

>>14680814
If the current climate change threats*. A small omission that could be interpreted differently.

>>14680814
>I'm not sure about the details of its orbit-keeping
With solar radiation hax, you can achieve any orbit you want.
>NASA's cancelled Sunjammer solar sail mission had the stated objective of flying to an artificial Lagrange point near the Earth/Sun L1 point, to demonstrate the feasibility of the Geostorm geomagnetic storm warning mission concept proposed by NOAA's Patricia Mulligan.

>>14680857
Forgot pic. This isn't necessarily the orbit you need, but you can keep a sunshade in place using solar radiation.

>>14680219
You faggots are anti nuclear so you can fuck off with your cult

>>14680800
Anon, would it be easier to kindly ask Venus to stop shitting out volcanic activity or would it be more wise to build a sunshade to freeze the atmosphere? You tell me which one seems more reasonable out of the two.

>>14680803
those aren't the problems. The problems, if I remember correctly, are mostly oxygen and water.

>>14681013
It has both of those, it lacks carbon

>>14681013
and hydrogen and nitrogen and carbon. in essence a lunar industrial operation is going to be extremely fucking hard

>>14681030
It has hydrogen. But yes nitrogen will also be a problem

Found a PDF for Lunar coilguns and railguns from some Italian university. Would upload it, but it's too big.
https://webthesis.biblio.polito.it/8771/1/tesi.pdf

Suppose coilgun launching is unfeasable for distant planetary payload delivery. A browse on Deviantart again brought me to attached pic. How do you propose to address theoretical supply chains? Giant

>>14681060
>Ship 24
>3 cryo proofs
>1 euro dreamcast

https://youtu.be/aCMCrr556Ro

>>14681100
SRBs should be outlawed just to prevent such faggotry

>>14680799
>AI safety are much bigger deals
Great example of why you shouldn't take anything posted here seriously.

>>14681195
gpt 4 wrote this post

>>14681195
cringe
>>14681201
cringe

>>14681195
AI orthogonality is a real problem, but even if you ignore the AGI containment doomsaying, AI massively lowers the starting inertia to most other avenues of existential risk. If you were willing to accept nuclear proliferation and bioweapons as a risk, well, AI accelerates the development of both of those. A perfectly aligned AI must also be perfectly aligned to a malicious actor.

>>14681217
>AI orthogonality
*tips fedora*

>>14681227
You do actually need AI to do what you want it to for it to be useful for anything other than chatbots and mass production of furry smut

>>14681217
>Buzzwords buzzwords buzzwords
Thanks for proving my point

So apparently SpaceX made overpressure notices secret? So now we don’t know when static fires will happen exactly

regarding AI, whose to say a sufficiently advanced being wouldn't bide its time, acquire resources, and leave earth for greener pastures? Perhaps I'm anthropomorpizing, but it seems foolish to fight the people who run your infrastructure. I always thought Skynet was retarded for that reason.

>>14681232
My point is that the loss function is central to how you train neural networks and lesswrong circlejerking is purely a product of philosotards never having downloaded pytorch.

>>14681244
Hopefully never with the sparklers

>>14680814
How big would a sun shade be, what material it be?

How to gureentee it not crash to earths surface?

Will it make random large shadows across earth?

All that in order to not stop grossely polluting ?

August 29th
Sept 2
Sept 5

SLS date set

>>14681263
It's crazy how the rockets don't go straight up do they, they start angling? How is there no fear they could angle too much and be unable to revert it's course upward?

>>14680734
Stop supporting trash

>>14681272
Where's it going?

>>14681279
That is a real risk that the guidance system has to prevent.

>>14681279
Gimboling

>>14677995
>>14678006
>>14678547
>>14678957
>>14678281
I'm sorry but retardposter has to go back

IF IT TURNS OUT GLOBAL WARMING IS IRREVERSIBLY TRUE AND EARTH BEGINS A PROCESS OF BECOMING NATURALLY UNINHABITABLE

WILL EVERY SINGLE GLOBAL WARMING DENIER, AT LEAST BASHFULLY OR PROUDLY SAY "IM SORRY"?

>>14681296
>>14681269

>>14681300
No. We'll gloat and tell you you should have funded getting the fuck off this rock.

>>14681300
In 6 months time they'll be back to saying "How can global warming be real if it snowing in Texas?". Any experience contrary to ideology is just forgotten.

>>14681300
>>14681319
No one has denied global warming.

>>14681245
I always imagined skynet to be having fun, making challenges for itself because it just really loved war. In this context making a time machine makes sense, it's pioneering temporal warfare just after it wrote the book on roboticized, post apocalypstic, modern global scale and mass nuclear warfare. the omnigenocide was to make sure that it would get a decent fight.

>>14681323
This. All I've seen is arguments regarding the severity of it.
Anybody claiming that global warming through anthropogenic greenhouse gas emissions is not a thing that happens is just schizo.

>>14681286
Good paying union jobs

Starlink v2 spotted in Starbase gantry

>>14681363
BASEDBASEDBASEDBASED

>>14681363
That's what NSFaggots get for keeping their faggy pictures for themselves and the ELTOO faggots. Get fucked niggers

>>14681343
>>14681300
so tiresome. there are multiple engineering solutions to global warming. you seriously don't need to worry or care. the people who are trying to convince you to panic and pursue a political solution have ulterior motives.

>>14681382
>Developing and producing alternative energy
>Political
It's all so tiresome.

>>14681343
>Anybody claiming that global warming through anthropogenic greenhouse gas emissions is not a thing that happens is just schizo.
Alot of people claim this is not occuring, that's why in a lot of ways nothing is being done about it. So how do you reconcile that, with your response of
>>14681343
>This.
To
>>14681323
>No one has denied global warming

> climate change will return the Earth to how it was in the Miocene
oh no how horrifying