/sci/ - Science & Math

>hey goy, muh jewish comic book stories are real

It's easier to be a mechanic who knows how to service and repair tools than it is to be an engineer who knows how to develop such tools.

>>14673129
Well.. yeah. Inventing a new concept is harder than copying an old one. No offense, but that doesn't really add anything to the conversation.

>>14673099
This is a well known concept and it doesnt lead to degeneration of society it leads to cycles. When civilization collapses then the low IQ individuals dont make it and the population improves for a new go at building civilization

>>14673245
Incorrect, there won't be another cycle if our current industrialized society and its knowledge of engineering and natural sciences collapses
The industrial revolution was fueled by easily accessible veins of iron and coal, which didn't need advanced equipment to mine and refine
If we lose our knowledge and tools of mining and refining, there will never be another industrial revolution to restart the cycle

>>14673223
>Inventing a new concept is harder than copying an old one.
Wrong, if the old tool was produced by the peak ability of it's generations' most skilled producers then attaining their level of skill is just as difficult today as it was back then unless further tooling has been developed to make the production job simpler today.
thats why a new saturn v is science fiction today even though it was reality 50 years ago. the people who were boiling rockets 50 year ago were more advanced than current scientists are.

>>14673436
The most intelligent among such an alien civilization after having suffered losses in intelligence would still be able to maintain a lot of the tools that got them to that position for a long time afterwards, but as intelligence would decrease, the individuals who would be able to operate such devices would also decrease. The question is, would there be a point where intelligence would cease to decrease? If they would cease to be able to maintain advanced farming equipment, would that be the end of their dumbing down? Sort of like in Idiocracy?

>>14673245
Okay, but what happens if that failed civilization for instance exhausts the planets petroleum reserves? We likely couldn't bounce back from a collapse on this scale now let alone centuries from now.
>>14673410
This is entirely my fear as well, I read this on here a few years ago and still think about it sometimes

>>14673436
>>14673463
I have a feeling that at some point, the individuals with all the weapons would force the handful of individuals who can still maintain farming equipment to work without pay to feed the rest of them.

>>14673099
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flynn_effect

Unless you think that humans are using their steadily increasing IQs entirely for counter productive purposes, this theory doesn’t seem to hold up.

>high intelligence
>let the weak live
lmao do midwits really?

The real solution to the Fermi paradox is that any sufficiently long-lasting and intelligent civilization will eventually discard technology and suppress the soience cult.

>>14673463
>The most intelligent
people who call themselves intelligent in our society pride themselves mainly in their work avoidance abilities

>>14673476
That was a great read.

>>14673436
They're the assholes who didn't document their work.

Don't blame us for being dumb, blame them for not future proofing.

Any time I work a job, I document all new processes and procedures, I make sure that when I leave that position any new trainees are given access to all of my training information, including all documented processes and procedures.
^
Humans need to do this at every level, including proprietary rocket science.

>>14673410
Theres gigatons of concentrated iron already mined. As for coal, theres always going to be charcoal and coal regenerates too as peat bogs

>>14673099
The real solution to the Fermi paradox is that we don't know what to look for, our ability and efforts to find ayys suck ass, we're very secretive and we've been looking for no significant amount of time.

We could have observed aliens tens to hundreds of times and not realized it, wrote it off as natural phenomena, or classified the data.
That stranger you bump into at the grocery store, could be an avatar piloted by an alien child, a thousand light-years away.
Earth could be the equivalent of a chimp safari where guests get drove around in a space jeep to see the animals up close.
Some 'alien abductions' could be very real.

>>14673099
Why would the worst elements always outbreed the rest if resource constraints aren't an issue anymore?

>>14675936
The worst elements tend to be more careless, and as a consequence, outbreed others when the resources needed to reproduce are just handed to them while never having to suffer any consequences for their poor actions.

>>14673436
Nothing to do with that.
The moon landings coincided with the sweet spot where advancement of technology and available resources were both sufficient. 50 years prior and the former was insufficient; 50 years later the latter was insufficient.
Moon landings will never happen again not because the technology has been lost but because the demands of 2-3x as many people on resource availability make it prohibitively expensive now. Supply and Demand coupled with declining non-renewable resources.

>>14673099
I don't get it. Isn't the solution to Fermis paradox just that we can't travel faster than light, so exploring space would be impossible.

>>14675936
A better way to say it is, highly promiscuous but poorly intelligent specimens dominate the reproductive cycle. Idiocrasy makes a great point on that. Or in another vein as Carl Sagan said, Intelligence is strongly selected for because it is a major advantage...until you invent planet destroying weaponry.

The fermi paradox is such brainlet bullshit.

>>14673223
NTA, but that tells you how stagnation sets in. And I suspect we are deep in stagnation already.