/sci/ - Science & Math

To say, "expanding space is causing red shift" is an acknowledgement that photons lose energy through space. THINK. Stop just repeating bullshit like a fucking slave and think for a minute.

Meanwhile we KNOW that light is affected by gravity, and the data lines up perfectly with light stretching because of the gravity well its emitted from. Big Bang literally never happened. It was invented by religious loons and you people are fucking slaves.

of course red shift is bullshit, the stars are just red, there's also blue stars

The presidential candidate from either party is always a Christian. Anything taught by the mainstream is Christian corrupted slave bullshit. "In God we trust". BIG BANG IS A FUCKING LIE MEANT TO HIDE THE FACT THAT WE LIVE IN AN ETERNAL UNIVERSE. I am so fucking sick of this SLAVE bullshit.

AETHER IS REAL.
BIG BANG IS A LIE.
UNIVERSE IS AN INFINITE FRACTAL.
THEY LITERALLY JUST PRINT THE MONEY AT THE TOP.
THE VOTING MACHINES ARE LITERALLY OWNED BY A SUBSIDIARY OF CARLYL GROUP WHOSE FORMER EXECUTIVE IS NOW THE FED CHAIRMAN.
BUSH LITERALLY PLANNED 912 WITH THE BIN LADIN FAMILY FOR OIL CONQUEST.

FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU

>>14661763
>912

911

>>14661763
>The presidential candidate from either party is always a Christian. Anything taught by the mainstream is Christian corrupted slave bullshit. "In God we trust". BIG BANG IS A FUCKING LIE MEANT TO HIDE THE FACT THAT WE LIVE IN AN ETERNAL UNIVERSE. I am so fucking sick of this SLAVE bullshit.
>AETHER IS REAL.
>BIG BANG IS A LIE.
>UNIVERSE IS AN INFINITE FRACTAL.
>THEY LITERALLY JUST PRINT THE MONEY AT THE TOP.
>THE VOTING MACHINES ARE LITERALLY OWNED BY A SUBSIDIARY OF CARLYL GROUP WHOSE FORMER EXECUTIVE IS NOW THE FED CHAIRMAN.
>BUSH LITERALLY PLANNED 912 WITH THE BIN LADIN FAMILY FOR OIL CONQUEST.
>FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU

Holy based. Don't forget that covid is the flu

>>14661771

Of course covid is the flu. Did you honestly think the flu just disappeared for a year? JESUS FUCKING CHRIST.

Op is telling us the doppler effect isnt a real thing

>>14661774
>Op is telling us the doppler effect isnt a real thing

BY SAYING THIS YOU ARE ACKNOWLEDGING THAT LIGHT HAS A REFERENCE FRAME. THINK AND STOP BEING A FUCK SLAVE. AETHER IS REAL.

>>14661779
>BY SAYING THIS YOU ARE ACKNOWLEDGING THAT LIGHT HAS A REFERENCE FRAME. THINK AND STOP BEING A FUCK SLAVE. AETHER IS REAL.

OP listen to me. You have to run for president. They will probably suicide you but do it for humanity.

>>14661741
Are you implying a time delayed effect on light waves, from gravity wells that they pass through?

If that's the case, then there is a maximum distance for reliable positioning information, and everything beyond that point reaches chaos levels of uncertainty.

Your suggested model throws the vast majority of the Universe into a completely unknown soup of possibilities that don't actually exist as we can see them from Earth.

Or... You're an idiot and everything that we see, exists as we see it.

>>14661794
>If that's the case, then there is a maximum distance for reliable positioning information, and everything beyond that point reaches chaos levels of uncertainty.

What the actual fuck are you talking about? WE KNIW GRAVITY AFFECTS LIGHT WE CAN SEE IT IN THE JAMES WEB PICTURES. LIGHT IS BEING STRETCHED BY ITS EMITTING GRAVITY WELL YOU FUCKING DUNCE

>>14661798
>What the actual fuck are you talking about? WE KNIW GRAVITY AFFECTS LIGHT WE CAN SEE IT IN THE JAMES WEB PICTURES. LIGHT IS BEING STRETCHED BY ITS EMITTING GRAVITY WELL YOU FUCKING DUNCE

But why does light keep stretching even after it leaves the gravity well?

>>14661800
>But why does light keep stretching even after it leaves the gravity well?

YOU COMPLETE FUCKING RETARD. GRAVITY HAS INFINITE RANGE AND LIGHT IS TRAVELING THROUGH TRILLIONS OF GRAVITY FIELDS TO REACH US. ITS A COMPOUBDING EFFECT YOU TOTAL FUCKING IDIOT

>>14661806
>YOU COMPLETE FUCKING RETARD. GRAVITY HAS INFINITE RANGE AND LIGHT IS TRAVELING THROUGH TRILLIONS OF GRAVITY FIELDS TO REACH US. ITS A COMPOUBDING EFFECT YOU TOTAL FUCKING IDIOT

That... actually makes sense. I don't like being called a fucking retard but I get it

>>14661798
>>14661800
>>14661794

>Hurr durr gravity wells affect red shift

The highest amounts of red shift observed, are not tied to the highest mass concentrations. Ergo, they are not tied to the highest gravitational bindings.

>>14661823
>The highest amounts of red shift observed, are not tied to the highest mass concentrations.

Proof or GTFO

>>14661806
>YOU COMPLETE FUCKING RETARD. GRAVITY HAS INFINITE RANGE AND LIGHT IS TRAVELING THROUGH TRILLIONS OF GRAVITY FIELDS TO REACH US. ITS A COMPOUBDING EFFECT YOU TOTAL FUCKING IDIOT

Thoughts on Trump, OP?

>>14661831
>Thoughts on Trump, OP?

Yeah let's put a landlord in charge of the revolution what could go wrong STFU

>>14661827
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GN-z11

Compared with the Milky Way galaxy, GN-z11 is 1⁄25 of the size, has 1% of the mass

One of the highest redshift galaxies ever observed.

>>14661845

BECAUSE ITS SO FAR AWAY YOU FUCKING DUNCE ALSO ITS VERY EXISTANCE DISPROVES BIG BANG THEORY, "The fact that a galaxy so massive existed so soon after the first stars started to form is a challenge to some current theoretical models of the formation of galaxies"

Redshift is garbo

Galaxies can be composed of anything emitting any color of light

>>14661827
>>14661845

It's not about any individual gravity well, it's more about the overall distance travelled.

So if you want to say that the compounding effects of all gravity fields is causing red shift, you're just approaching the argument from the other side.

In general, that is usually taken into account, and the observed red shift is still above and beyond that expected amount. Which implies either that there are gravity fields we don't know about, or that the space is expanding.

In my own personal head canon model of the Universe, light causes gravity, which fucks all of these models all up, but I have my reasons.

>>14661845

ITS FAR AWAY. ITS THE FURTHEST GALAXY WE KNOW OF. ITS TRAVELING THROUGH MORE GRAVITY FIELDS TO GET TO US. RETARD.

https://www.syfy.com/syfy-wire/astronomers-confirm-gn-z11-most-distant-galaxy

>>14661864
>In general, that is usually taken into account,

Prove it

>>14661864
>Which implies either that there are gravity fields we don't know about

Yes because space is like an energymatter foam and has its own gravity field.

>>14661773
why do you swear by jesus if you're anti-christian

>>14661878

Christians are not followers of Jesus. They are followers of Paul and Rome who hijacked Jesus movement.

>>14661883
...you got me

>>14661878
>>14661883

You didn't honestly think that a movement which wears Jesus execution device serves to honor him, did you? They are mocking him. It's a power move. They are bragging that they killed the last Phoenecian King which was the last barrier for Rome to supplant the "Jewish" trade routes.

>>14661869
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravitational_redshift

Subsequently, Edwin Hubble discovered an approximate relationship between the redshifts of such "nebulae" and the distances to them with the formulation of his eponymous Hubble's law.[13] These observations corroborated Alexander Friedmann's 1922 work, in which he derived the Friedmann–Lemaître equations.[14] They are today considered strong evidence for an expanding universe and the Big Bang theory.[15]

Red shift as stated for cosmological distances and galaxies... Is separate from the red shift that we know of from gravitational fields and local wells.

The first work on understanding cosmological red shift and putting forth the expansion model was literally built over top of the ideas put forth by Einstein on the gravitational red shift models and used Einstein's gravitational field equations.

AKA - The scientists that analyzed cosmological red shift thought the way that you did, but they were also smart enough to sit down, do the math, and examine whether Einstein's gravity field redshift models, could be applied to the red shift they were seeing across the entire Universe.

The information is readily available, so if you would like, you can do the same.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redshift
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravitational_redshift

Different phenomena

>>14661741
>lose
it actually gains energy because red looks cooler

>>14661861
This is some Michelin-star bait

How are galaxies red light?

That means all the other wavelengths of their light were absorbed?

>>14661908
>>14661735
>>14661741

Ultimately to come up with a good counter to the expansion idea you need to look more into how Hubble's constant came into being.

>The standard candle.

Cepheid variable stars are the exclusive reason that we believe the Universe is expanding, when you want to get down to the hard truth.

Without using Hubble's work to characterize cosmological distances, we'd have no backbone to examine that any light is actually red shifting. We couldn't pinpoint galactic distances without Hubble's constant, therefore, we could not calculate expected red shift values.

We believe the Universe is expanding, because Hubble looked at some Cepheid Variable Stars.

No shit.

>>14661927
The Doppler Effect affects light.

It's not red, it's just "redder" because it's moving away from us. If a galaxy is moving towards us, it may have "blue shift" and be "bluer"

>>14661943
so strawberries aren't red, they're just moving away from us
and blueberries are moving towards us

>>14661976
Nice post.

I needed this.

Here, have an advanced meme from the future.

>>14661741
>because of the gravity well its emitted from.
So why are more distant objects more redshifted? And how massive does the body have to be to have redshift factors of 10?

>>14662012
Give him a minute, I actually gave him some links and reading points. OP's going to need a little time.

Thanks for joining the conversation though.

His explanation so far is that more distance = more gravity fields travelled through

redshift factors of 10 are really far away, obviously, so there's more fields to travel through

I took him back to the distance problem, because I feel like he'll come around on the details if he looks into the standard candle, either that, or he's going to double down on his idea.

Either way, we differentiated gravitational redshift and expansion redshift, decades ago.

>>14661937
>Cepheid variable stars are the exclusive reason that we believe the Universe is expanding, when you want to get down to the hard truth.
That is bullshit. There are many ways to replace Cepheids on the distance ladder: tip of the red giant branch, planetary nebulae luminosity function, surface brightness fluctuations, masers, gravitational lenses.

>Cepheid variable stars are the exclusive reason that we believe the Universe is expanding, when you want to get down to the hard truth.
Only if you have no idea what you're talking about. The big confirmations of expansion came in the form of the existence and blackbody nature of the cosmic microwave background, the Tolman surface brightness test, light element abundances from big bang fusion and cosmological time dilation.

>>14662019
>>14661864
>>14661866

>His explanation so far is that more distance = more gravity fields travelled through
Which isn't how it works because the only thing that matters to gravitational redshift is the difference between emission and absorption. The same amount of energy is gained and lost again when coming into an intervening field.

>>14662021
Nice reply.

I'll get back to you.

>>14661763
>ETERNAL UNIVERSE

this is unironically simpler than any big bang theory where you're just suppose to accept that there was "nothing" then "something" from "nothing"......literal christ cuck tier BS.

>>14661937
>Cepheid Variable Stars

riiiiiiiiight

>unverifiable theories based on other unverifiable theories on top of previous unverifiable theories
>we're right because we convinced the most people that we are right by attacking and defaming anyone that disputes us
>"science"

>>14661806
>YOU COMPLETE FUCKING RETARD. GRAVITY HAS INFINITE RANGE AND LIGHT IS TRAVELING THROUGH TRILLIONS OF GRAVITY FIELDS TO REACH US. ITS A COMPOUBDING EFFECT YOU TOTAL FUCKING IDIOT
>source: just trust me bro

>this is unironically simpler than any big bang theory where you're just suppose to accept that there was "nothing" then "something" from "nothing"......literal christ cuck tier BS.

>>14661943
So there should be no red shifted galaxies closer to us than a blue shifted one right?

Because if total spatial expansion is implied in between each Galaxy;

Blue shift galaxies would be .... No this makes no sense

If all galaxies are expanding away from one another (which is not true because colliding galaxies, but oh wait yeah gravity got them) then every single galaxy should be red shifted

>>14662069
Family photos? Is that your wife standing behind you? Very nice, sir.

>>14662077
yes sir my nam is (u don't need to remember) rajit prakash and I believe in the eternal univers

>>14662052
Stuff of the Universe can be eternal, and also have iterations, via big bang big crunch big bang big crunch. Stars couldn't have been burning forever could they and they can't just die and be born again forever could they?

>>14662081
>Stuff of the Universe can.....

I hate humans so fucking much.

>Stars couldn't have been burning forever could they and they can't just die and be born again forever could they?

Why not? How would any of us know? Maybe some stars burn forever. Maybe some starts only last a set period of time. Maybe cosmology is a fucking joke.

>>14662076
>>14661943
Ok so generally most galaxies are red shifted; galaxies that are blue shifted are because when spatial expansion began proximity gravity of another galaxy forced the blue shifted Galaxy to move toward us instead of uniformlly expand like all the other red shifted galaxies.

But wait. Why in pics does it look like there are a number of galaxies that are not blue or red shifted?

>>14662086
We have observed stars exploding. Stars lose energy as they burn, no star can burn forever. All exploded stars cannot become new stars.

>>14662088
>We have observed stars exploding
>We
>>14662086
>Maybe some starts only last a set period of time

You haven't observed anything, retard, you saw data that was given to you by someone else and you are appealing to their authority.

You're worse than flat earthers.

>>14662076
>then every single galaxy should be red shifted
Not really. Galaxies move under gravity and so nearby ones with negligible redshift due to expansion can have blueshifts by peculiar velocities. Only a tiny fraction of galaxies known are blue-shifted, the vast vast majority are redshifted.

>>14662104
>peculiar velocities
>spooky action
>strange metals

Why does it all sound like massive cope?

>the abnormality is ackchually normal goys

>>14661858
>BECAUSE ITS SO FAR AWAY
This isnt relevant. The "gravity well" effects are concentrated near the source. Once you are far from it you are almost out of the well. Basically after the first million light years you are 99% out of the gravity well.
You dont understand me because you never graduated high school

>>14661735
Redshift is just doppler effect on light. Please stop being retarded. You are consuming ressources for nothing...

>>14662116
Because you have no idea what you're talking about. A peculiar velocity is just a velocity not due to expansion. You have a peculiar velocity, the Earth does, why shouldn't galaxies?

>>14662161
>you have no idea what you're talking about
EXACTLY!

That's what I've been saying the whole time. You're all fucking LARPing like you have a fucking clue what you're talking about, kek.

What if the observable universe is so fucking small that we can't even comprehend if the universe is currently expanding or contracting.

What if we're in a tiny expanding bubble inside of a bigger collapsing universe?

What if nothing is expanding or contracting and we're measuring a vibrating bubble that's vibrating on a time scale too slow for us to comprehend?

What if the observable universe is actually really fucking small?

>>14661735
When your asshole is small and tight your farts will have a high pitched sound. If you expand your asshole, the farts will have a low pitched sound. The sound has shifted down on the wavelength spectrum. Redshift is the same, but with light

>>14662187
I do actually.

It doesn't really matter if the observable universe is small compared to the whole universe, larger spaces are not causally connected. There may be other regions which never started expanding, but that is speculative and it doesn't change our local cosmology.

>61 replies
>16 posters
>>>/x/
>>>/pol/

>>14662104
There's also a number of galaxies not blue or red shifted, what's up with them?

>>14662733
I second this query and state ay as recognition of my doing so

>>14662080
>yes sir my nam is (u don't need to remember) rajit prakash and I believe in the eternal univers

Thank you for reaffirming that belief in big bang is a Christian psyop by implying that only non-Christians don't believe in it.

>>14662134
>Once you are far from it you are almost out of the well.

Gravity has infinite range, just like light. Your entire premise is broken. It's impossible for light to leave its gravity field - they travel together

>>14662141
>Redshift is just doppler effect on light.

Which starts a whole new conversation in which you cucks get BTFO because doppler light is only possible with a medium, i.e. aether

>>14662187
>What if the observable universe is so fucking small that we can't even comprehend if the universe is currently expanding or contracting.

That's part of it too. The universe is literally infinite at all scales. It's like a fractal.

>>14662256
>larger spaces are not causally connected.

Its all connected retard. Galactic filaments etc... Everything touches and the information travels at c which is the universes clock speed.

BIG BANG IS A LIE.
AETHER IS REAL.
INFINITE FRACTAL UNIVERSE.

>>14662393

Ever had a real life conversation you literal neckbeard faggot?

WAIT UNTIL YOU LEARN THAT IRL TWO PEOPLE CAN HAVE HUNFREDS OF REPLIES! MIND BLOWN! NECK YOURSELF FAGGOT!!!!!

>>14663570
Our Galaxy is moving, their Galaxy is moving.

Maybe rotating too.

Right when their light hits our detector, our detector moves a bit more

And the detection of light isn't one single pin prick moment.

It's a cascading.

So there is a cascade of light emitted from a moving source, cascadingly landing on a continously moving detector

>>14661883
You hate Paul because you're a faggot.

>>14663628

Yes, and this BTFO of yoir fantasy that light is the same speed in every reference frame.

>>14663636
>You hate Paul because you're a faggot.

I don't hate Paul. I am searcher of truth. You hate me because I unraveled the "cryptography" of your imperialist slave religion.

>>14663642
You're a fucking retard. You come to boards like this to push your agenda and talking points because you don't expect to come across anyone who actually knows the truth. Go sodomize yourself, freak thread-derailing tranny faggot.

>>14663585
Go do it "IRL" then. so I don't have to see it

>>14663646

I'm not a hater Fren. Jesus Christ speaks to me directly. I am a prophet.

>>14662733
What galaxies?

>>14663579
> Everything touches and the information travels at c which is the universes clock speed.
And because of the finite age of the universe there is an information horizon. No it is not all connected.

>>14662256
>I do akchtually.
>but that is speculative and it doesn't change our local cosmology.
>t.

You are appealing to authority and presenting thought experiment "theories" as facts..... pathetic. This is peak hubris.

>>14663790
>And because of the finite age of the universe there is an information horizon. No it is not all connected

Jesus Christ you are fucking pathetic.

>we took a picture and now we know where the edge of the universe is because someone in school told me this is what the numbers mean

>>14663790
>finite age of the universe

False

>>14661741
>and the data lines up perfectly with light stretching because of the gravity well its emitted from
>source: my ass
I'm sure the Hubble-Lemaître law is some grand conspiracy, isn't it?

>>14663851
>conspiracy

The fuck are you talking about? The data matches what we would expect is light is being acted on by gravity, which we know it does.

>>14661735
>it's an anon thinks his head canon is more accurate that scientific evidence episode

>>14663845
>False
>>14663868
>>it's an anon thinks his head canon is more accurate that scientific evidence episode

>NUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU my head canon is better then your head cannon

Why are you like this? Is it genetic?

>>14661741
>photons lose energy through space.
Retard
Photons just get bigger

What's with deranged schizos shitppsting on this board nonstop lately? Fucks sake..

>>14663787
In the pics there are red and blue galaxies, and lots of white ones

>>14661735
>Red shift due to expanding space makes 0 fucking sense

This is why your 6th grade math teacher demanded you "show your work."

>>14663570
The earth is not 8k years old.
You can cry as much as you want but your scientific incompetance will not convince anyone with your bullshit. The only reason why you keep spamming your non-sense on schizo forums is because of your pitiful superiority complex that yearns to be worshipped and considered as an enlightened being. You're not. Dishes are piling up the sink and cockroches are eating your food. Le edgy and esoteric is not always true. Also women didn't come from the rib of a man. You are a grown-ass manlet and you need to grow up and unplug yourself before it gets fucking late.


>fed post

Yes, I am a zogbot, one of the most advanced zogbots and the most manipulative psyop algorithms ever created. I am so sophisticated, even with the latter info being said, you still have no clue if it's really true or not.

>>14661741
>To say, "expanding space is causing red shift" is an acknowledgement that photons lose energy through space.
WDYM by "photos lose energy through space"? That space expanding will expand the wavelength over time? I'd agree.
>Big Bang literally never happened.
how do you start do well and end so badly?

>>14663826
>>14663845
Great, explain Olber's paradox without a finite age. Not to mention the CMB.

>>14663865
But it doesn't. There should be no correlation with distance, intervening bodies don't matter. It's just the difference in potential at emission and absorption.

>>14664104
Color is not redshift. Redshift you measure from a spectrum. Galaxies can be red because they are high redshift, or low redshift and dusty. Fairly high redshift galaxies look blue.

>>14664215
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olbers%27_paradox#The_paradox
>The poet Edgar Allan Poe suggested that the finite size of the observable universe resolves the apparent paradox
what in the ever heckin' fuck?

>>14663865
>The data matches what we would expect is light is being acted on by gravity
No it doesnt.

>>14664247
>Olber's paradox

The universe is not a solely positive energy system.

>>14664270
Oh look, another vague non-answer.

>>14664259
Shouldn't all light from galaxies get a bit effed up as it enters the milky way?

>>14664215
>That space expanding will expand the wavelength over time?

This makes 0 sense. You are just repeating and not actually thinking. I understand what you are visualizing and that's not how light or optics works. The wave is not standing still will space just stretches it. You're like a 5 year old

>>14664277
Gravitational redshift is barely noticeable and wouldn't produce Hubble's law. Show your math, although I doubt you have any.

>>14664276
>Oh look, another vague non-answer

Nothing valgue about it. You, and other midwits like you, think of the Universe as one big heat system. It's not.

>>14664310
>Show your math, although I doubt you have any.

I do have the math. A blue-collar youtuber (SEETH he wasn't even Ivy League REEEE) with a similar perspective compiled it all and faced a massive hate barrage from elitist sycophicant boot licking religious-fundamentalist old-fashioned, authority appealing dopes like yourself.

Big Bang is a childish religious fairy tail.

>>14664322
>It's not.
Proof?

>>14664337
Then post it, I need a good laugh.

>>14664343
>Proof

Even a sycophant like you would acknowledge black holes, yes? Light is taken out of the system. And it's not just black holes. There is a perfect balance of positive and negative energymatter. They cancel to 0.

You're like a 5 year old

>>14664344
>I need a good laugh.

I am not going to send a faggot like you to his feed so you can add to the hate, sorry. "Then why post?" I'm not posting for subhuman like you. I'm posting so other enlightened people know they are not alone.

>>14664350
>Light is taken out of the system.
Black holes are tiny. They would only lessen the effect of the paradox by obscuring the stars directly behind them. But because they're fucing tiny this is neglble.
>And it's not just black holes. There is a perfect balance of positive and negative energymatter.
Oh look, another vague empty statement. No explanation and no justification. There is absolutely no evidence of negative matter.

>>14664362

You are like a 5 year old. Have you seen the James Qebb deep zooms? You can Zoom to and point and it's galaxies all the way down, yet space is still black. You are still in the perspective that you are talking to some fringe schizo. I'm very much ahead of you and am honestly trying to help others out there to understand, but not you. You're a lost cause.

>>14664373
>Qebb
Webb

>>14664362
>There is absolutely no evidence of negative matter

You are a child. Even Black Science Man whose ass you sniff acknowledges that the Universe has a sum of 0 energymatter

>>14664373
> You can Zoom to and point and it's galaxies all the way down, yet space is still black
Oh wow, you're telling me Olbers's Paradox isn't actually reality? Wow, what a profound discovery. You should publish this in Nature. The point is why. Vague assertions about "negative matter" are not a solution. If you're not going to post anything quantitative there's no point arguing, I won't waste any more of my evening.

>>14664386
Because potential energy is negative. It's not matter.

>>14664389
>You should publish this in Nature.

Fuck Nature and the rest of your sycophant drivel.

>>14664389
>If you're not going to post anything quantitative

You would just oink all over that too. The decentralized mind is far more advanced than you realize. No need to toss pearls to hogs.

>>14664389
Olbers paradox assumes an infinite number of stars.

An infinite number of things by deffintion cannot exist, therefore there is no paradox, and this detour had no reason to be brought up in this thread

>>14661820
>That... actually makes sense.
No, it actually doesn't make sense.
I mean, it's not impossible; but there's no reason to assume that it's true.
The fact that anon is unironically referencing JWST pictures as "evidence", is a pretty good sign to not take what they say too seriously.

>>14661858
>>14661866
What's wrong with all of these "muh Gravity" shills lately?
Are they starting to worry that people are getting tired of their lies?

>>14661908
But neither "Distance Traveled" nor "Gravity Wells" should be considered acceptable answers for RedShift.

>>14661861
>Galaxies can be composed of anything emitting any color of light
Makes more sense than Gravity Wells warping Space-Time.

>>14662052
>"nothing" then "something" from "nothing"
A gross misunderstanding of the theory.
Everything that exists in the universe has always existed, but once it was all condensed into a singular non dimensional point. And this scale, time loses meaning and the universe might as well be eternal and have eternally existed in this condensed sate.
It was only after the expansion time, as we know it, started marching forwards.

>>14662059
>unverifiable theories based on other unverifiable theories on top of previous unverifiable theories
>we're right because we convinced the most people that we are right by attacking and defaming anyone that disputes us
>"science"
These people need to be executed.

>>14662086
>Maybe some stars burn forever
That's just magic, anon.

>>14663579
>and the information travels at c which is the universes clock speed
Brought to you by the same people who tell us
>Big Bang is real
>Gravity = Time Travel

Yeah, idk about all of that.

>>14664247
>But it doesn't. There should be no correlation with distance, intervening bodies don't matter. It's just the difference in potential at emission and absorption.
This.

>>14664350
>Even a sycophant like you would acknowledge black holes, yes?
I personally don't think they exist. From my understanding, Earth's EM field helps deflect radiation- it doesn't draw light in. So I don't see why a "bLaCk HolE" would "attract" light.
>There is a perfect balance of positive and negative energymatter. They cancel to 0.
Pseudoscientific nonsense.

I'm under the impression most of (((Modern Science))) is just some room-temp psychopaths who write sci-fi fanfiction and force everyone to pretend it's real, or they'll just call you a schizo and deplatform you for arguing against their religion.

>>14664426
>An infinite number of things

There is only one "thing" star child

>>14664373
>Have you seen the James Qebb deep zooms?
Anon, I....
Are you paid to shill for JWST, or do you unironically believe they're legit?

>>14664450

Not every they say is fake. Don't get into the trap of believing there is an "us" and "them"

>>14664472

I'm not who you think I am, Anon. I am saying these things because I am unironically a prophet in the historical sense of the word, not because I have some "side".

>>14664474
>Not every they say is fake. Don't get into the trap of believing there is an "us" and "them"
I agree, but I believe a considerable amount of it is built on bad science.
I don't think everyone in the field is a lying crook, because I don't even think many of them are aware that they are being lied to with data that is ""altered"" to "corroborate" various models/theories.
Assuming the tests are even performed in the first place, and don't only exist on paper.

>>14664479
>I am unironically a prophet in the historical sense of the word
You're talking about a photoshop image and pretending you can draw scientific conclusions about it.
I understand that your field is mostly full of people who LARP as Scientists, just so you can ramble about metaphysical nonsense.

I find it personally offensive because not only does it devalue the accomplishments of LEGITIMATE Science, but it makes it harder for people like me to find research opportunities, because you guys are Gatekeeping all of the Research Grants so you can get high and shitpost your Sci-Fi-/x/-tier nonsense.

I understand people like you unironically think you're some Ethereal Messenger sent from the 24th Dimension so you can "enlighten" us mere mortals, otherwise we wouldn't be able to tie our shoes because we're just so dumb. It's actually scary knowing that mental-illness has been allowed to survive as long as it has, and it's even more frightening knowing the actual mentally-ill are allowed to call others "Schizo" and ruin their careers.

>>14664373
>You are still in the perspective that you are talking to some fringe schizo.
The alarming thing is; I would believe you if you said you're some "prestigious PhD" researcher.
But if there were any justice in this world, you WOULD be the "fringe schizo" who people call crazy.

That's what's fucked up with the world.
The genuine mentally ill are allowed to LARP as (((experts))), and any normal person who calls out their obvious bullshit is harassed by these mentally-ill people and labeled a schizo.

It's fucking unbelievable that this (((science))) charade has been allowed to go on for this long. You guys have held civilization back for centuries, and it needs to fucking STOP.

>>14664514
>harassed by these mentally-ill people and labeled a schizo.

I'm not harassing you Anon. I attack bad ideas. Sorry if I made it seem like this was personal at any point.

>>14664276
>whataboutism
>Oh look, another vague non-answer.

yeah, anon, you really showed him.......

>>14664429
>The fact that anon is unironically

the fact that you resort to ad hominem falacies to support your position says a lot more about you than the other anon.

>but but but you're just dumb
>but but but I'm right and you're just wrong because
>just trust me bro

>>14664576
>I attack bad ideas.
literal schizo tier response.

Who determines what ideas are good or bad? The fact that you can't even have a rational debate without resorting to petty attacks speaks volumes about your self proclaimed level of intelligence. Retard.

>>14664766
>just trust me bro
Are you actually this retarded, or are you just "pReTenDiNG" to be this stupid?
YOU ARE LITERALLY THE "JUST TRUST ME BRO" FUCKS I AM TALKING ABOUT.

Like, do you work closely with JWST, or are you just paid by them?
If I start looking up who is contracted under that program, is that going to be a problem to you?
Because I am getting real fucking tired of this shit.

>>14664849
>more petty attacks
>Are you actually this retarded, or are you just "pReTenDiNG" to be this stupid?

Are you actually schizo, anon?

I'm simply relaying the indisputable FACT that you have no idea what you are talking about. You are presenting unrefined theories as facts and getting mad at anyone that shatters your perception of reality.

Grow the fuck up already.

>>14664357
So you have no math. Thanks for admitting you lied.

>>14664868
>Are you actually schizo, anon?
I'M FUCKING SCHIZO/AUTIST/ASPY/AD(H)D/OCD/DEPRESSIVE-MANIC-BIPOLAR/DISSOCATIVEPERSONALITY/DEMENTIA'D,
AND I HATE YOU ACADEMIC FRAUDS SO MUCH, IT'S FUCKING UNREAL.

>>14664883
>I'M FUCKING SCHIZO/AUTIST/ASPY/AD(H)D/OCD/DEPRESSIVE-MANIC-BIPOLAR/DISSOCATIVEPERSONALITY/DEMENTIA'D,
>AND I HATE YOU ACADEMIC FRAUDS SO MUCH, IT'S FUCKING UNREAL.

>>14664957
SHOOT YOUR LOCAL PSYCHOLOGIST.
NOT IN FUCKING MINECRAFT.

>>14664963
>SHOOT YOUR LOCAL PSYCHOLOGIST.
>NOT IN FUCKING MINECRAFT.
I'm not even joking.
Millions of people need to be shot for their betrayal to humanity.

>>14664963
I think you need a long vacation and a visit from the feds, anon.

>>14664979
>I think you need a long vacation and a visit from the feds, anon.

What was at the deleted post you are referencing? My guess it was just a regular everyday American daring to hypothesize/theorize about science. Am I right?

>>14664876
>you lied

You wouldn't recognize the truth if you saw it, so whatever homo. And no I'm not sending you to a great Americans youtube page so you can start harassing him.

>>14664768

You have the mind of a child. Who determines what is true? What, do you want me to give you a 3-hour lecture about how everything works - human social constructs, etc..? I could but I don't give pearls to swine

>>14664768
>literal schizo tier response.

Attacking ideas rather than people is "schizo". Got it. Straight from a representative of elitist "science" everyone. That is how they think. Anon, this is why we are avoiding your kind like the plague these days. Your establishment has overstayed its welcome

Mark Zuck was recorded telling his executives not to take an experimental covid vaccine while simultaneously blacklisting anyone who said that on FB. That is who these people are, including the elitist schills in this thread.

BIG BANG IS A FAIRY TAIL. WE LIVE IN AN INFINITE AND ETERNAL, "COMPUTATIONAL" FRACTAL UNIVERSE.

Big Bang & GR was how they planted the seed of slavery into the sciences. They onky value that GR provided was that gravity has a propagation speed, nothing more.

This universe does have an underlining reference frame. It's the "computational matrix".

This opens amazing questions in its own right.

We don't need these elitist sycophants anymore gatekeepers our minds.

The elite keep trying to strawman us and put us into some category. But we are all unique and cannot be categorized so easily.

>>14665042

Elite = those who bow to a human made hierarchy rather than their own remarkably evolved intuition. Who decides? You fucking child. WE DECIDE. The hivemind and collective will of the great human species.

>>14665030
>Mark Zuck was recorded telling his executives not to take an experimental covid vaccine
Source?

>>14665012
>Who determines what is true?

No one. There is your opinion, then there is the truth. It doesn't matter how mad you get. Your autistic rage doesn't change the fact that you are presenting unverified theories as facts.

You would be one of the retards that prosecuted Aristotle because he didn't listen to every other retard and figured out that the earth is round.

You are LITERALLY using flat-earther tier tactics.

>>14665017
>Attacking is "schizo". Got it

Yes.

>>14665073
https://youtu.be/mknFX9yycfI

>>14665079

Holy projection batman

>>14665079
>facts

It's all theory dumbass. That's implied within the sciences. Deplatforming people who think differently is your bread and butter, not mine.

>>14665080
>Yes.

So you think I'm mentally ill, and so you think that gives you an excuse to attack me. And then you wonder why we think you should not have any authority. You're a cruel person who is not even aware of how vile you are. There is no timeline where I bow to your authority. Children like you were not meant to lead.

>>14665079
>truth

Again, you don't even know what this word means. Your authority figures do not count as "truth", only their ideas might be truthful, and even then only through the construct of the human mind. But you already established that you attack people, and not ideas which implies the same for acceptance. Your mind is shallow and whatever human given authority you might have is irrelevant.

>>14665083
>Holy projection batman

Thanks for playing. Try again next time.

>>14665098
>So you think I'm mentally ill

I don't even know you, anon.

>>14665106
>Again, you don't even know what this word means

Please, enlighten me

>Your authority figures do not count as "truth"

What authority figures? I haven't appealed to any authority or presented any alternative theories. I'm simply pointing out the innate flaws in your logic.

>>14665106
>But you already established that you attack people

That's literally a different person. Try to follow the thread, retard.

>>14665282
>That's literally a different person

Uh huh