/sci/ - Science & Math

we'll never run out of oil to the point where it's impossible to find

>>14660795
Synthetic oil, which is very expensive and very slow to accumulate.

>>14660795
nuclear energy is pretty feasible to start.

>>14660815
how do you turn that into a propellant?

Do they use petroleum products on that thing? I thought they used hydrogen oxygen hydrazine etc

>>14660800
Not exactly, but close enough. We'll run out of accessible oil in like 50 years at current rates, but if transportation electrification kicks off as it's looking to the demand will go way down. Oil majors have already started tightening their belts in anticipation.
>>14660808
Can't make rocket (ship and fighter jet too) fuel outta symthetic oil at the moment, it's one reason CCUS companies feel safe investing a shitload into net zero carbon oil.

>>14660795
>gajillion litres of gas to a space shuttle
They don't use gasoline retard.

There is around 1000 years of oil and 2000 years of natural gas and coal, at current useage rates.

The whole "we are running out" is just leftst/Democrat propaganda to scare prices up so they get more money in their pocket with kickbacks from petrol corps and taxes.

That $5 a gallon gas = $4 in taxes. 80% the cost of gasoline is taxes.

Everyone is being cheated by the state and federal governments.

>>14660860
correct.

>>14660862
>leftist dribble and propaganda on cue

>>14660795
>How are we planning to get to space without strapping a gajillion litres of gas to a space shuttle and lighting it up?

Space elevators.

>>14660867
>There is around 1000 years of oil and 2000 years of natural gas and coal, at current useage rates.

How did you calculate this

>>14660954
escalators for the win.
Imagine being on an elevator for hours with someone who eats bugs and had the china vaccine and spreading spores.

>>14660955
scientists did. It's based on known reservoirs of oil, and may increase as it is speculated that there may be 10s of thousands of years worth under the oceans in the seabeds.

>>14660975
>it is speculated that there may be 10s of thousands of years worth under the oceans in the seabeds.

Fuck gas anyway. Look at the BP disaster, imagine 10k years worth of oil leaking into the ocean

Gas powered products are being replaced. Battery tech is improving faster than gas

>>14660825
you don't. you fill the tank with some gas (like hydrogen) and use THAT as the propellant.
reed moar. lern moar about the difference between "fuel" and "propellant"

>>14660795
Methalox engines just need cities to get their shit together and turn their sewage plants into biodigesters for plentiful methane

>>14660795

long distance space travel is impossible without nuclear or fusion energy

>>14660795

In theory, methalox can be distilled directly from Earth's atmosphere.

Peak oil won't be an issue.

>>14660800
>we'll never run out of oil to the point where it's impossible to find
yes, but at some point it will be more expensive to extract than the energy you get back

>>14663124
>In theory
in practice, it's not going to happen

>>14660795
>So, we're due to run out of oil in the next several decades
Wrong, oil is abiogenic

>>14663537
at what rate? how many empty deposits have been abiogenically refilled and reopened so far?

>>14660795
>we're due to run out of oil in the next several decades
Not really. New oil and natural gas reserves are being found faster than they're being exploited and that will continue even as countries implement more renewable energy sources to reduce carbon emissions.

>>14660795
Anon those aren't fueled by oil

>>14660825
You put electricity into water to create hydrogen and oxygen than you cool them down so they become liquid
and you have rocket fuel

>>14660862
fischer tropp process my dude

>>14660862
fischer tropsch process my dude

>>14664391
combining this process with carbon dioxide to make methane is more forwards looking, that's where all of the interest is going at this time

>>14661023
>We're running out of oil
>Actually we're not and here's why
>Well fuck oil anyway, it doesn't adhere to my personal hand-picked view of the world fed by propaganda and virtue signalling
Welp. Not even that guy, but you're a disingenuous asshole.

>>14664512
>>Well fuck oil anyway, it doesn't adhere to my personal hand-picked view of the world fed by propaganda and virtue signalling

Tell me your opinion on the BP disaster

>>14664589
>I believe all oil is bad because of the BP disaster: the Post
I guess you also believe that all cars are bad because we have crashes now and then, that all guns are bad because people get shot, and that all freedom of speech is bad because sometimes peoples' feelings get hurt.

You don't respond to people trying to take away the rights or ability of citizens by accepting it. Not even once. Only a subhuman bugman would ever accept an argument that starts with
>You can't, because
When you can just kill the person making the statement in Minecraft and go about your business.

In the like vein, people who like electricity and food, and who want to eat tomorrow are eventually going to hang all the vegans and green party folks. Acceding to your worldview costs people resources, and you don't win elections or build nations by telling people
>You can't, because
You win them by telling people
>More more more, always more, more for you, I promise.

>>14660825
pic related

>>14661023
Battery tech isn't improving at all. We're just mining more and more lithium, and putting it in more things that used to use NiCAD and lead acid and plain old D cells.

>>14664644
I get it, you don't want to look stupid because your real opinion retracts your original statement, so you're trying to change the subject by fabricating random lies instead of the oil disaster.

>>14660795
>run out of oil in the next several decades.
No.
Will take thousands of years to use it all, and that's just what has been discovered.

>>14664784
More oil naturally seeps out of the ocean floor. Vegetation and animals eat it.

>>14664711
Production costs for lithium batteries has dropped by 90% or so in the last ten years (which is why Tesla now has some the fattest gross margins in industry) while energy density has moderately increased. For example, the original 2012 Tesla Model S had a 85 kw-hr battery pack that weighed 540 kg. The 2022 Model S gets a 100 kw-hr battery for the same weight.

>>14660795
We are not running out of oil, its just many reserves are beyond reach atm, just not financially viable. But many of the larger under sea deposits may become economical due to rising oil prices.

>>14665841
>But many of the larger under sea deposits may become economical due to rising oil prices
but that means that a higher % of the economy will have to be dedicated to extracting that energy and won't be available to be spent in other things