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July 13 0100 EDT - Rocket Lab - Electron - New Zealand - Classified NRO payload.
July 13 0713 EDT - Arianespace - Vega C - French Guiana - Debut flight, LARES-2 magnetic sensing satellite.
July 14 2044 EDT - SpaceX - Falcon 9 - 39A, Florida - Cargo Dragon 2, ISS commercial resupply.
July 16 - SpaceX - Falcon 9 - Florida - Starlink 4-22.
July 22 - Rocket Lab - Electron - New Zealand - Classified NRO payload.
July 24 - CASC - Long March 5B - Wenchang, China - Wentian laboratory module for the Chinese space station.
July 30 - JAXA - Epsilon - Uchinoura, Japan - RAISE-3 technology demonstration payloads.
August 2 - SpaceX - Falcon 9 - Florida - Korean Pathfinder Lunar Orbiter.
Q3 - Astra Space - Rocket 3 - TROPICS-2 & 3.
Q3 - Relativity - Terran 1 - LC-16, Florida - Debut flight.
Q3 - Landspace - ZhuQue-2 - Jiaquan, China - Debut flight, first Chinese private and methalox rocket.
Q3 - ABL Space - RS1 - Alaska - Debut flight.
Q3 - NASA - SLS - 39B, Florida - Artemis I, uncrewed debut flight to lunar orbit and capsule reentry.
Q4 - SpaceX - Starship - Texas - Debut flight (maybe, we'll see with the pad problem)

Can we green the outback by evaporating water off the coast with a space mirror?

NEW THUNDERF00T-SAMA VIDEOM ON SPACEKEK, HE'S LAUGHING HIS ASS OF AT MUSKRAT

https://youtu.be/SuMWTvCIamM

>>14653282
>July 13 0713 EDT - Arianespace - Vega C - French Guiana - Debut flight, LARES-2 magnetic sensing satellite.

Fuck. Now I'm going to have to wake up early. This was supposed to be my day off from that

>>14653296
with a massive space lazer, the world is your bitch

>>14653296
>posting this again
meds

>>14653282
Based schedule poster

>>14653296
You reminded me of a dumb sci fi story I read once where the world got rid of all its radioactive waste by vitrifying it and leaving it in one big pile in the middle of the Outback

Tomorrow night on PBS, "Ultimate Space Telescope", one whole hour of JWST wank!
https://www.pbs.org/video/ultimate-space-telescope-preview-dane1u/

>New Chinese rocket was an Artemis copy paste
>It’s now a starship copy paste
Have these people ever made something original in their entire fucking lives

>>14653313
Because I can
I don't see how this couldn't work. Would also be very useful on Mars if you wanted a proper amount of sunlight

>>14653346
>Have these people ever made something original in their entire fucking lives
Gunpowder and lacking anything more recent, they won't shut up about it.

>>14653346
I mean it's the chinese, do you really need to ask yourself that question

>>14653350
I think they have the claim on noodles? There's some debate on whether or not Europe and China arrived at the same idea through coincidence or indirect trade. Other than that? Winning a siege by cannibalizing your citizens, that's uniquely Chinese. Bet all the jews from Masada feel pretty dumb now.

>>14653346
Copying something successful is a legit strat. Copying prototypes however..

>>14653367
Then the chinks better tell B*den to pull the FAA off of SpaceX or there won't be a successful rocket to copy.

Say what you want about the chinese; they copy. Even the japanese are unoriginal. However, I envy how quickly and without fuss they can progress. Almost 20 years ago, they had no high speed rail, and they fucking built it all. They wanted a better space program? 8 years later, they're launching once a month or more. Need energy? Nuclear reactors begin design the next week.

All it cost them was a LiveLeak logo affixed to the sky. ngl, wish USA could make shit happen without redtape bloat.

>>14653374
It's all superficial anon. Like that high speed rail is falling apart as we speak.

>>14652083
>>14652624

not even /math/ would help. Someone how the FUCK do you estimate this. Anon mentioned an autistic rover and I just wan to know how far it could go with tons of assumptions

>>14653401
>goes outside of /sfg/
Why

>>14653401
you want /sqt/ for that

>>14653401
Depends on what rough calculation means.
>W = F*d
(W)ork is measured in joules. You know how many joules there are in your hypothetical battery so this is where you start.

(F)orce, if there is no resistance you spend 1 joule and move forever with velocity dictated by 1j = m*v^2 / 2. So play with resistance, drag, friction, etc plug it into the formula and see what (d)instance you get.

>>14653526
This assumes the machine is 100% efficient btw.

Besides money, why haven’t humans been past lunar orbit? Seems kind of fucking stupid that we have the ability to go further and explore harder but we just haven’t

>>14653613
>besides the one thing stopping us from doing something, why don't we do it?

>>14653613
>we have the ability to go further
We actually don't. The Saturn V could fling a good chunk of mass out to escape velocity, but the Apollo CSM only had two weeks of endurance in it. That limits you to targets that aren't that much further out than the moon anyway. Congress wasn't willing to pay for enough Saturn Vs to complete all of the planned missions of Apollo, and we lost deep space capability after the program ended.

>>14653642
Losing the Apollo program was literally the only time in human history where we technologically backtracked on something. We have been spending the past 30 years reinventing the wheel.

>>14653647
Bronze age collapse would like a word with you
>t. am a seaperson

>>14653647
Not quite. We also lost the ability to retrieve payloads from LEO or service them on site when the shuttle retired. The old lady had problems, but she also did a lot of things that no one else is even proposing to try right now.

>>14653649
Atlantean dick

>>14653346
Someone on Reddit translated it and supposedly it says they even with the new proposal it doesn’t even come close to Starship or SLS

>>14653651
>he doesn't know about x37b

>>14653302
I didn't watch it but he's wrong

>>14653613
Because no one cares. They didn’t even air the Apollo 13 launch. The vast majority or the public is indifferent to space in general.

>>14653685
>Because no one cares
Maybe if they did some kind of zero-g sports or events for people to watch, that might attract lots of them. Earthers love sp*rts, such as soccer, they spend hundreds of billions on them and billions watch it every day, I guess urf problems weren't that important anyways.

https://youtu.be/f6Nphz4f9oY

>>14653685
>They didn’t even air the Apollo 13 launch.
yes they did. i don't know if you're the same anon who said this last time in /sfg/ but the video proof remains regardless.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7C3NAj4jCb0

>>14653649
Where do I go to learn some bronze age trivia

>>14653700
/sci/ has concluded as such before. I don't know if you're that same anon who brought it up a few days ago, but moon sports was one of the only other ideas than space mining which would be profitable as of today.

>>14653673
It's a quiet admission that the Chinese high power engine program is still having problems. Going to 26x 200tf engines is just basic bitch sinocloning of whatever the industry leader is doing, but 200 tons of thrust translates to less than 2000 kN, or less than half of what the YF-130 was supposed to be capable of when it was going to power the CZ-9.

>>14653747
The white people's advantage in material science is understated. It's dwarven magic to the rest of the world.

>>14653729
There are some great books in Cyprus

Well... were.
>t. Another Seaperson

>>14653757
Being a Chinese rocket scientist looking at western engines must feel a lot like being an American rocket scientist checking out some of the ex-Soviet super engines after the wall came down, except you're not ever allowed to actually be in the same room as the engines and there's no possibility you'll ever be able to buy any.

>exoplanets can be imaged clearly
>need a telescope array thousands of km across to do so
sounds like a job for starship

>>14653767
Eh, I wouldn't be shocked if the great global chinese fishing fleet occasionally gets tasked to recover rocket engines from fallen first stages if it lands somewhere recoverable

>>14653613
too dangerous for nasa. there's a ton of risk involved and nasa is afraid of risk.

>>14653777
interestingly enough russia just commissioned a new submarine that has seafloor capabilities, including asset recovery

>>14653700
>zero-g sports
PoleCube

>>14653777
Recovering the product is a lot different from being able to reverse engineer the process that built it.

China got the product and the process for the RD-120 back in the early 90s and they weren't able to certify a working engine until 2012 or get it flying in a rocket until 2015. China's only good at cloning things when they're spoon fed everything they could possibly need to know, and even then the results are substandard. They've never pulled off a healthy launch rate with the CZ-5 or any of its derivatives, probably because the production process for the YF-100 is so slow and inefficient.

It's a moot meme anyway; the starship tests aren't crash-landing somewhere China would be able to recover them from, and they're supposed to be fully reusable anyway. They'd have an easier time recovering the RS-25s that SLS is going to drop.

>>14653700
3D basketball, small thrusters in shoes and hands powered by nitrogen tanks on back then you have the street version where they use hypergolic thrusters

>>14653797
Just make the game from pic-rel. People would pay out the nose for zero-g laser tag

>>14653797
zero-g basketball in a cylindrical court is another option

>>14653797
Imagine the lunar pole-vault in a massive kilometer-wide dome.

>>14653797
great idea Nikocado

>>14653817
Imagine the size of the air bag you'd need to survive a fall from that height

>>14653823
Would an olympic-sized swimming pool do? Might be able to kill two birds with one stone there.

Any updates on Booster 7?

>>14653831
Two weeks

>>14653831
It's not getting sugarcoated

Thousands of flatfish live at the bottom of the ocean; loitering around pools of molten sulfur that are hundreds of degrees. There’s totally life in those ice moons

>>14653831
After initial inspection it seems to have survived better than the doomers predicted, but they're still checking for non-obvious damage. Some or all of the raptors may need to be pulled and rotated back to Mcgregor for retesting.

>>14653838
You were totally right until that last sentence. God filled Earth with life, and only Earth

>>14653823
>m*g*h
Exactly the same size as one on earth the height increase is directly proportional to the change in g

>>14653829
>Would an olympic-sized swimming pool do?
No, at 1atm terminal velocity water is functionally equivalent to solid ground in terms of fucking up your insides on impact.

I'm trying to figure out what's so unique about the Indian formulation of kerosene that led them to rename it ISROsene

Probably marketing bullshit

>>14653844
*tips menorah*

>>14653858
I take it you've never worked with Indians. Yes, it's marketing bullshit.

electron launch in 100 minutes

>Indian space aviators will be known as gaganauts

Nice

The beaners are laughing at Elon
https://twitter.com/Afroditaa1984/status/1546803785242132483?s=20&t=DQGv5xI2FrDtJwOO_BxTdQ

>>14653872
>not poonauts
baka missed opportunity

>>14653873
Cool, now fuck off with the rando twitter posting.

>>14653852
From what height? Obviously diving boards don't kill people but leaps off the Golden Gate Bridge do. How high can you fall safely into water in lunar gravity? How high can we make the highdive?

>>14653858
Russians have T1 and RG-1. It’s nothing special, it’s just a certain way of making it / certain parameters for what is in it and how your engines are tuned to it instead of the other country’s version

>>14653876
It would 'cacanaut' you moron.

>>14653869
this launch is sending a collab NRO-Australia mission to space. it's the first in a program between the NRO and international partners. the next one will be between the UK and NRO and it will launch from cornwall via virgin orbit.

>>14653883
What is the chinese version called

>>14653878
potential and kinetic energy work exactly the same, and terminal velocity is way lower.
>https://www.omnicalculator.com/physics/terminal-velocity
lunar g = 1.65 m/s^2

>russians canceled the european arm on the russian segment of the iss in response to esa's retaliation against exomars
the iss continues to get impacted by the ukraine war

>>14653894
This all could have been avoided via the butterfly effect if Skylab got a shuttle reboots

>>14653893
>terminal velocity
>on the moon
Anon...

>>14653894
At this point it's not going to get gracefully deorbited, it's going to physically rip in half as a symbol of degrading US-Russian relations.

>>14653902
In the context of holding the olympics in a pressurized environment, there is terminal velocity

>>14653894
That's an "I'm not fired, I quit!" response to Europe basically recoiling from Russian space activities after they reactivated that German telescope

>>14653889
Carbon-Hydrogen-1: Not Kerosene

>>14653858
2/3rds sulfur compared to RP-1
~1/4th particulates compared to RP-1

That's literally it

>>14653915
Sauce:
https://web.archive.org/web/20210603155818/https://lpscm.eprocure.isro.gov.in/tnduploads/iprc/tndheader/IDT00088900000000000isro05401.pdf
vs
https://standards.globalspec.com/std/47397/mil-r-25576

what if the russians decide to start allowing chinese onto the russian side of the iss

>>14653889
big chinkgus

>>14653930
Then the US hits Soyuz with a Patriot missile from Korea on the way up and the party starts. We are not going to let the Chinese on to the ISS, ever.

>>14653930
ISS residents butcher the invaders with bladed weapons

>>14653930
Kek the chinks would shittalk how stinky the ISS is and leave

>>14653302
thunderfoot is a pseudo-intellectual who got famous by tweens who hated going to church.

>>14653946
As if their fartbox will even last 20 years to reach that level of fumes.

39A livestream

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6se10w-6Aw

>>14653844
That was just a Great Old One looking for followers

>>14653872
>gag on nuts
PAJEET
MY SON

>>14653976
why

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1547094594466332672
>Was just up in the booster propulsion section. Damage appears to be minor, but we need to inspect all the engines. Best to do this in the high bay.

doomers are once again BTFO

Rocket Lab launch official livestream: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6Nphz4f9oY

Soon

>>14653673
26 engines with 200 metric tons of thrust is more than what SLS will produce even with BOLE boosters.

>>14654054
SLS would still be the better rocket for beyond LEO unless the Chinese get orbital refilling working (they won't).

>>14654027
It will be scrapped

>>14654059
The Chinese slide claims 50 tons to a Lunar Transfer Orbit which would be comparable to a SLS Block 2.

>>14654036
T-17 min

>>14654073
They also claim their buildings are made of concrete and not styrofoam.

>>14653852
Isn't terminal velocity dependent on gravity

>>14654083
No, air resistance. It's the velocity at which airbraking stops you from accelerating further.

IT'S THE FINAL COUNTDOWNNNN

>>14654085
You're balancing upwards force from air resistance against the downwards force of gravity
If gravity decreases then the speed required to stop that acceleration is lower

décollage

looks good

Electron's launch is very smooth compared to the rumbling braps of the Titan IV

We are so spoiled with these live camera views of launches these days. Thanks Starlink, probably.

>Rocket Lab aggressively courting mission ops
I just got finished telling someone a month ago that there are only like five places hiring in ops

Lots of universities turning out people who want to do that though

>>14654096
DUDU DUUDU

>>14654130
DUDU DUU DUUU DUUU

>>14654119
> five places hiring in ops
That will be the case once most of these companies go bankrupt. Imagine needing such a large team of people just to put 300 kg into orbit, small-lift has such shit economies of scale.

>>14653729
Fall of civilisations podcast, which is also on youtube

It's over, but it's also not over.
https://www.reuters.com/technology/us-faa-contact-with-spacex-after-booster-rocket-fire-2022-07-12/
>he Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) said Tuesday it was in "close contact" with SpaceX as the company reviewed a fire that occurred as part of its Super Heavy booster rocket development, but that the agency was barred from investigating the matter.
>The FAA said U.S. law "limits the FAA’s safety oversight to protecting the public during scheduled launch and reentry operations. Yesterday’s event does not fall under the agency’s jurisdiction."

I think I messed up the scaling and rotation a bit, but for the sake of a JWST and Hubble comparison, pic related

>>14654161
Based Titan poster

when's the next starship test?

>>14654202
Tomorrow

>>14654202
2 weeks

Is spacex finished now?
What's next for us space sisters?

>>14654344
swap out maybe a few engines and try again
its no biggy

>>14654202
why do you care

>>14654346
see you in six months

Anyone know when the FCC is going to make a decision about Dish's attempt to just straight up steal a frequency?

>>14654164
wtf I love JWST now

>>14654164
I often wonder what traveling through that sort of thing would look like. Would the particles be too far apart that you'd still only see black or would they be so close together that you just see orange?

JWST just proved the multiverse

JWST just proved phlogiston exists

>>14653296
there's a Dutch dredging company called The Weather Makers that wants to do this to Sinai Peninsula. They are not using space mirrors though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uXUM6xC0Vk

Vega-C launch in 20 minutes.
Old continent gonna show those rash Americans how rocketry is supposed to be done.

>>14654593
wtf, they have under 6min to put the rocket together!

>>14654164
I actually like the Hubble version more. It can see more of the dust and gas and dust and gas look cool. Really JWST pic only look better when looking at far away galaxies or faint things

>>14654629
I don't love the Hubble dust so much because its opaque and lacks the detail that the infrared light traces out in the nebula. The JWST imagery is more compelling to me.

HODL

>>14654593
une minute...
Oh no, a red on the screen, so a hold

>~80 launches half way through the year
we might beat last year's record breaking number of launches

>>14653873
Ever since the el goblino de las Americas meme, i cannot take written Spanish seriously

>>14654637
Hubble dust looks like a painting, incredible...

>>14654679
>looks like a painting
that's because it is

>>14654679
Plain Jane opaque Bok Globules are boring.

>>14654629
Wait ’till we kick this puppy into MAXIMUM OVERDRIVE

>android clock app timer sound
so this is what we're down to…

>>14654685
>wants to spy on maternity wards
u fackin wot m8?

Did I get this right. P120 max thrust is 4.65 MN and at sea level the Vega-C weighs 2.1 MN? Should be fast as fuck boi.

hold again…

>>14653873
Now who will weld the starships? :'(

>>14654466
You’d barely be able to tell that you are inside of it aside from the fact that space would begin to look a little bit foggy
Astronomers always turn the saturation up to 11 because it brings out detail, but also because if they presented the images in “true” color (used loosely here, i.e. if you had a telescope with a lens the size of the Moon or something completely unrealistic but would allow you to zoom like crazy) they would just look like photos of space

>>14654761
I'm an unapologetic dirty voyeur of stellar nurseries.

>JWST uncalibrated data at 3pm GMT
wew gotta wait ~3 hours

Weather seems fucked, probably won’t launch today

>>14654806
wasn't the weather

>>14654788
>cant wait till they're on the main sequence
u want stringing up

>>14654811
I can’t into French, what’s the issue?

>>14654814
>u want stringing up
MY RADIO VOYEURISM DEMANDS IT

>>14654816
facility status, launch system and FTS are in red

>>14654831
Doesn't FTS disable once its safely away?
like when spacex says "FTS is saved" after stage 1 is safe to die in case something hapens?

DESTINATION VENUS
MORE THAN DARKNESS LIES BETWEEN US
TWENTY MILLION MILES OF BLEAKNESS
HUMAN WEAKNESS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMcsWbfHTpY

>>14654851
Floating helium
Blimp of freedom
Outside air will bring you death
Just make sure you hold your breath

>>14654202
Ship24 will resume testing next week
Booster 7 will be hauled back to Megabay for inspections

>>14654843
Once the rocket’s trajectory is over the ocean, then the FTS is safed.
FTS needs to be on before launch until that moment, otherwise you risk significant damaga to something important, like the launch mount

This actually has me thinking. Why are the FTS systems safed on expendable boosters?
Wouldn’t it be safer to detonate the core while it’s still falling, creating less of a hazard of it falling on some poor schmuck at the wrong place at the wrong time

We gaan

>>14654922

ITS OVER

Nyoooooom

was it meant to do that?

>>14654905
if its trajectory is on the ocean we then create a giant mess?

>>14653873
im gettting really tired of your literally who twitter nigger posting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJJy5U065hU

How are these people so stupid?

>>14654965
Stop twitter nigger posting.

>14654965
>twitter user
>why so stupid
quit dragging that used butt paper in here

>>14654965
>I go on twitter to find random posts to make me angry and post them in a mongolian basket weaving forum for other people to get angry too

>>14654965
NIGGER POST

>>14653873

>>14654986
benis rocket :DDD

looks like berger finally caught wind that rogozin is in trouble

>>14655010
Not big surprise when the first requirements are dick suction and loyalty, then competence.

>>14655010
>rogozin has only been the head of roscosmos for 4 years
why does it feel like a decade?

>>14655010
OH NONONONONO

AHHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAUA

>>14655034
Who is Borisov?

Did they try to recover the Electron today?

>>14655041
Deputy Prime Minister of Russia for Defence and Space Industry, basically Rogozin's boss

>>14654965
more money to SLS, thats right sis

any updates on what the fuck happened during that spin up test

>>14654965

>>14655033
because he was the Deputy Prime Minister of Russia for Defense and Space Industry for seven years, after which Yuri Borisov became the Prime Minister.

>>14655049
That Borisov guy was extremely opposed to that movie being filmed in the ISS because he didn’t like the ROSCOSMOS budget being used for commercial purposes

Shows you the direction pockocmoc is going.

>>14655059
no wonder Musky didnt want to buy the trash can

This stamp violates aesthetics by having both a decimal value and an uneven value.

>>14655049
So Putin is (once again!) filling the top job at Roscosmos by demoting the overseeing head into the position? Deputy PM for Defense and Space was Rogozin's job too before he got shipped off to Roscosmos.

>>14654679
why are hydromeme clouds instead of methane clouds used to make these nebulae

>>14655034
Dmitry walks a fine line between based and schizo.

>>14655081
government demotions are based, especially of politically incentivized, and the US should do it more. Instead everyone moved up the ladder here and it’s how you end up with ballast bill running NASA

>>14655119
No he does not

>>14654851
do you need helium for neutral buoancy on venus? wouldn't nitrogen be more than sufficient?

>>14654851
the problem with venus is the high temperature

>>14655210
>wouldn't nitrogen be more than sufficient?
no
>>14655219
hence the nuclear powered refrigeration

>>14655264
cool golf ball

>>14655119
He walks a fine line between retard and schizo.

>>14655264
Mission control watching their shit work is always heart warming

>>14655076
So far my favourite stamp from this batch, and also the oldest.
1958 Sputnik 3 stamp, the text on the side reads: "On May 15, 1958, in accordance with the program of the International Geophysical Year in the Soviet Union, the launch of the third artificial earth satellite weighing 1327 kg to an altitude of 1880 kilometers was carried out."

>>14654520
Based

Just thinking about all those worlds out there makes my mind hurt

>>14655383
It never fails to make me laugh how the 'important people' don't have to bother with masks, but the lessers do.

elon no

>>14655426
Elon YES

these will be the "people" that will use "earther" in a derogatory sense

>>14655441
another unfortunate depressurisation event. Elon warned it won't be easy

>>14655321
Here's a white elephant, an Apollo-11 stamp made in the USSR

>>14655461
fucking cringe

>the little umbrella
kek

>>14655010
If true, he'll be dead by the end of the year

>>14655468
apollo?

>>14655481
legitimizing the moon landing hoax

>>14655481
communism

>>14655383
TRUMP POG
TRUMP POG

>>14655461
cute international celebration of impressive achievement

>>14655383
So who is /pol/ siding with? Wasn't the business savvy of Trump part of the appeal? Musk is worth almost 100x him.

B7 taxi arriving

if Trump wins, Musk is literally finished

>>14655497
issuing a commemorative stamp when your rival scores the touchdown is being a good sport zoomie

>>14655511
Quick time to make a 4 hour dedicated NSF livestream where we shill for donations only for the move to be delayed the next day oops!

>>14655509
/pol/ will suck off trump no matter what

>>14655511
>going back for repairs / inspection
2 MONTHS

>>14655521
I thought /pol/ turned on Trump and is supporting DeSantis now

will trump be good for spaceflight like he was last time? he had the midas touch.

>>14655532
>rocketships to nowhere

>>14655532
he wasn't really good for spaceflight, he just appointed a guy who ended up being a good administrator entirely be coincidence

>>14655536
He needs to be informed on what Starship is and will do, with the proper explanation (explaining things to old people takes time/patience) he'll see it as a worthwhile investment. Maybe he already does but just wants to take a swipe back at Elon because "muh tit for tat". I'd rather they be allies than adversaries.

>>14655532
he will imprison musk, that's probably bad for spaceflight

>>14655539
Probably just some bants haha

>>14655532
>>14655538
Both Artemis and the USSF happened during Trump's admin.

>>14655538
>nasa got overfunded
>space force got created
>national space council brought back
>created civilian space traffic control from the military

>>14655513
He wont
He and Desantis will have a retarded slapfight like Taft-Roosevelt and it will ensure the dems can rig the vote again for Wilson 2

>ITT

guys, is it over..?

a space station but unmanned

>>14655461
"the feat of heroes will live on for centuries"

>>14655571
yes, the furry days are over

>>14655573
That's called a satellite

>>14655573
You mean manned?

>>14655530
Not really. The left is astroturfing DeSatnis hard because they think he'll fold a lot more easily once the media decides that he's the next super-hitler.

>>14655574
The feat of being the only humans to have ever died in space?

>>14655590
More what Apollo 1 achieved

>>14655594
Those intrepid astronauts helped prove that pure oxygen environments catch fire. Probably should have used chimps, in retrospect.

>>14655590
If anything the left views DeSantis as more dangerous. Trump threw the last election because of his unnecessarily abrasive and combative personality.

>>14655590
the dissonance between the media portrayal of desantis and how he actually is in reality will be much more obvious than with trump. Really only the people trapped in the liberal FUD cycle think of him as trump 2.0, the narrative isn't sticking with anybody else.

>>14655601
The Soviets never used a pure oxygen environment in any of their manned spacecraft.

>>14655616
I know that, and it was never implied otherwise, yet you posted anyway. Why?

>>14655627
Apollo-1 was completely avoidable, NASA likes to willingly put their pilots' lives at risk for some reason

>>14655641
And? You are repeating my post at me. What for?

>>14655602
Trump WON the last election. If Biden had anything resembling an organic base of support his approval wouldn't be at 29% and still falling.

>>14655604
I'm not sure how much the dissonance will actually matter. The media is even less popular than Biden is but I don't really know how many more people there are left to abandon the narrative.

>>14655576
Given that /trash/ is apparently one of the most common boards outside of /sci/ for /sfg/ to visit, I have my doubts. Still, it has been a while since someone posted Krystal anything, so it might be over.

>>14655650
Your dumbass saying that Soyuz-11 didn't achieve anything. I'd rather put my life in the hands of the Soviet space program rather than NASA

>gateway will be unmanned for long periods of time
>"its just a satellite bro"

>>14655662
Its worse than a sat since it won't be doing anything when no one is onboard

crewed*

As a species we've moved past patriarchal control on career nomenclature. They are crewed spacecraft, simple as.

Same amount of letters, but just a little more proper for all space enthusiasts.

>>14655657
>Your dumbass saying that Soyuz-11 didn't achieve anything
Nowhere in my post was that stated or implied, I only made a flippant remark regarding Apollo 1's fire, one it seems you agree with.
Who are you arguing with anon? It certainly isn't me.

>>14655662
Unmanned implies being incapable of being crewed instead of simply being vacant.

>>14655676
dilate my friend with first world problems

>>14655676
YWNBAW

>>14655674
nah, it will relay data to/from any gizmos left at the lunar south pole as part of Artemis

>>14655674
I doubt that

https://www.hou.usra.edu/meetings/deepspace2018/program/

>>14655676

>>14655653
>Trump WON the last election.
It's bullshit anon.

>>14655677
>hehe lel It wasn't my post :^)

>>14655699
Yes, that is correct. Are you ESL or something? I'm confused as to how you're reading an anti-Soviet sentiment in a post mocking Apollo 1's obviously avoidable fire.

>orbital launch next month
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1547253925249552385

>>14655710
need a more reliable source

>>14655710
>if testing goes well
I think no orbital launch before 2023

>>14655616
right, but they still killed a cosmonaut on the ground with a pure oxygen atmosphere

>>14655717
2 YEARS

>>14655710
musk is living on a different planet

>>14655710
pls beat SLS

>>14655726
are you the guy from the dimension where Hally crashed into the Moon?

>>14655731
Again?

Orbital launch in July of 2021

>>14655690
Who told you that anon?

>>14655734
>trying to have opinions on /sfg/ about ussr vs. usa dick-measuring contests
>doesn't know about bondarenko
lurk 2000% more

Eurobros...

>>14655691
>concept
Its not going to be a relay

>>14655726
>>14655734
>Valentin Bondarenko's death was well known to the US
>still used pure oxygen atmospheres for six years before it bit their ass
what the fuck nasa

>>14655743
I see that news have finally reached the Oort Cloud.

>>14655576
No they're not.
>>14655653
I did a Krystalpost like 2 weeks ago

>>14655750
No

>>14655698
So you believe that Biden won a larger percent of the black vote in 2020 than Obama did in 2008?

>>14655743
Any bets on what the rover is going to try and launch on next?

>>14655747
>Valentin Bondarenko's death was well known to the US
no it wasn't. the cosmonauts assumed the cia knew all about it but i don't think they appreciated how tightly their government kept a lid on things.

>>14655742
>implying you can find deep space lore on /sfg/
the best I can do is furry porn and a dead meme

>>14653915
So basically the difference between JP1 and RP1

>>14655738
it was revealed to me in a dream
but it is a logical use of resources

>>14655752
>Any bets on what the rover is going to try and launch on next?
It's not. It's dead.
They need more than two years to make a rocket/lander/etc. to get the rover there. So there goes the nearest launch window. That's 2024.
It's Europe, you have to give them training wheels, so it's more like 2026. Or probably 2030.
At that point the rover will be outdated.

>>14655742
>trying to have opinions on /sfg/ about ussr vs. usa dick-measuring contests
I don't think anybody was doing this, but you keep posting as if they were.

>>14655752
>Believing that Trump won
>on /sci/
Kindly get the fuck out or get yourself checked.

>>14655759
>logical use of resources
>NASA
Pick one

>>14655760
It would be hilarious for them to re-partner with NASA, only for NASA to cancel on them again because SpaceX was finally ready to start landing crew.

>>14655760
>At that point the rover will be outdated
It already is
Its been years in the making and it was trash even when it was first designed

>>14655755
Even with this Nasa was aware of the danger of the 100% O2 atmosphere due to a scientific paper released in 1966

>>14655762
call
>I'd rather put my life in the hands of the Soviet space program rather than NASA
whatever you want, but your taxonomy sucks

>>14655773
honestly I'd call it common sense depending on the spacecraft in question

>>14655768
What I meant is by the time they could launch it, we'd've already done a sample return and be discussing manned spaceflight.
It's out. It's a fucking thirty year goddamn rover.

>>14655767
NASA's not partnering with them. NASA's got a limited budget as it is.

>>14655764
eeh surely they can figure out that nu-ASLEP can beam more data through a big fat relay station in lunar orbit than straight back to Earth

r-right bros?

>>14655773
That is what you posted in response to me, which didn't make any sense then in context of my post regarding the Apollo 1 fire. I don't know why you continue posting, you're not making any sense nor are you actually replying to anything anybody is saying. Are you having a conversation with yourself? Is it some weird attempted troll? Is it simply a case of misreading followed by doubling down to preserve dignity? I don't understand you anon.
All I said was "Apollo 1 discovered why you don't use pure O2" and several posts later you're upset about Soviets for some reason.

>>14655264
>>14655315
all the sports cheers around the room made this a very soulful launch. Reminds me of the first SpaceX landings where the room just erupted in cheers.
It has been hard times at ESA with the pandemic, it's great to seem them moving forward again. And this was the first I'd heard that there is an even better Vega-E on the horizon (solid-methane-methane).

>>14655796
>That is what you posted in response to me
i wasn't even posting until i saw someone acting like the soviets never had their own apollo 1 analogue. don't get a bee in your bonnet.

>>14655784
I have doubts about Europe's ability to build a lander on their own. If Russia, NASA, and a domestic option are all out that'd only leave China for a potential partner. The decent stage they used for Zhurong is a pretty close fit for Kazachok, but I don't really see what China would get out of it that'd be worth their trouble.

>>14655752
Since this is directly connected to Ukraine they'll probably get Congress to throw them a bone and put a line item in NASA's budget authorization to mandate ExoMars support

JPL wouldn't complain for a second about getting a third chance to do a skycrane since there is no planned mission to Mars for the next ten years outside the sample return

The only question is whether or not it'd launch on a Vulcan, Falcon 9 or (in the time frame we're talking about) a secondary payload on Starship

>>14655838
>i saw someone acting like the soviets never had their own apollo 1 analogue
Can you point out the post? I don't see anybody doing this and it looks like you're reacting to things that only you can see.

Launch ExoMars on Starship.a
There, saved you billions of Euros.

>>14655860
why sure anon! if there's any other posts in this thread you want me to show you just let me know!

>>14655855
JPL would fuck a cactus for a billion dollars, but I don't think a skycrane is in the cards. Rosalind was deigned to be carried down to the surface by a powered landing platform. Switching to a crane drop would require a major redesign of the rover itself, and I don't think ESA has the money for that.

>>14655872
So it was your misinterpretation all along, thank you for satiating my curiosity.

>>14655864
American capitalist dogs

>>14655884
I'm not even American.

>>14655530
>>14655521
both are ((globalists)) you newfags.

>>14654073
>trusting bugman claims
they're incapable of honesty, anon
never trust a chinaman
always look at the hard data

Viasat called me today to tell me how much Starlink sucks. They also told me the dishes are made of ground up African children, like a fine paste. Musk forced poor African women to birth them after he personally raped them and took away their access to birth control. This is horrific stuff

>>14655894
you should tell business insider, they're running out of material for their weekly elon musk articles

the fun side of anonymous posting is the confusion when someone else replies to a post string and they get confused for a previous poster

>>14655887
ExoMars is european. Europeans hate Americans and capitalists

>>14655906
It's not true, I don't hate them

>>14655894
Did Bridenstine call you?

>>14655894
i don't know what to do bros. on the one hand i like viasat, but this is just too based.

>>14655891
>Globalists

>>14655892
50t/LTO isn't unreasonable performance for an oversized New Glenn clone with these dimensions. The problem is that there is no real hard data to judge this by. All we can say for sure is that China is having an even harder time getting their engines than ULA is.

>>14655941
>All we can say for sure is that China is having an even harder time getting their engines than ULA is.
but unlike ULA they never claimed that LM9 would be flying before 2030

>>14655892
I don't think anyone but wumao trust figures for Chinese engines that do not exist yet.

>>14655958
or even ones that do exist lmao

JWST science performance during commissioning:
https://www.stsci.edu/files/live/sites/www/files/home/jwst/documentation/_documents/jwst-science-performance-report.pdf
Picrel shows ability to track (relatively) bright and moving objects (e.g. Jupiter).

>>14656007
It's interesting how you can see how much heat energy Europa reflects from the sun due to the ice-covered surface

>>14656007
Damn, I did NOT expect that kind of capability to be dësu. How much more detail would something like LUVOIR be able to resolve? Especially with the ice giants which are both smaller and waaaaay further away

>>14653271
110 new stamps from 3 new countries; 1 for Czechoslovakia, 7 for Mongolia, and 102 for the USSR.

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1PNSqNdTewF-MM7FSioItOVvIP5wtGxnR?usp=sharing

>>14656099
The Interkosmos stamps are particularly good looking

>>14656069
>to be desu
I remember when I stopped typing t- b- h and instead typing desu unironically. You're here forever

>>14656108
And one as new as 1990, showing a soviet EVA maneuvering device "SPK"

Vega is shit and I'm tired of /sfg/ pretending it's not.

>>14656135
I like solids and you can't stop me

>>14656135
>can't into basic rocket appreciation
vega's a dead end sure but that doesn't mean it can't be admired for what it is from a spaceflight autism perspective

>>14655710
when will he stop the shenanigans I just want to see it fly and NOT blow up stage 0

>>14656164
>vega's a dead end sure but that doesn't mean it can't be admired for what it is from a spaceflight autism perspective
a more autistic version of scout?

what happened to elon's go fever with testing? now spacex is as bad as nasa.

>>14656180
Scout was autistically kept alive for some reason until 1994,

>>14655710
Isn't booster 8 almost built? Surely they could swap it out with 7.

>>14656180
>scout
Pathetic.

>>14656151
>I like solids
Why though? It has the worse performance of any common type of propellant, including storable hypergolics. Using solids on a second or third stage like Vega should warrant a death penalty, ignoring ICBMs.
>>14656164
Mindless autism from spaceflight enthusiasts helps enable corruption, or if you're not willing to go that far, just blatantly retarded shit like attempting to charge at least 37 million for ~2t to orbit. It's our duty to educate the public and turn them against programs like SLS in hopes that it sways politicians and space program administrators.

EARTHER (derogatory)

>>14655710
two weeks
trust the plan

>>14656205
Oops! Can't hear you through that sub 1% atmosphere

>>14656200
>Why though? It has the worse performance of any common type of propellant, including storable hypergolics.
in theory it simplifies pad operations because you don't need nearly as much GSE equipment. in practice that doesn't actually make for any meaningful cost savings because ESA doesn't care about saving money.

>>14656200
>Mindless autism from spaceflight enthusiasts helps enable corruption
i had no idea that me enjoying a rocket launch i wasn't even aware of minutes before it started could have such dire consequences for the worldwide space industry. i'll try to be more responsible with the power i hold in future

>>14656218
>i'll try to be more responsible with the power i hold in future
Good and that includes not donating to team space parasites like NSF.

>>14655906
No I don't

>>14656279
there's a wee time difference between them

>>14656285
less than you'd think. Vega as a concept began in 1998

>>14656287
Those Italians take their time I guess

tie me to a rocket at shoot me to Mars, I'll land ExoMars myself. I am ready.

>>14656292
The whole thing was used to develop the boosters for A6, and the whole program cost up to first launch was ~300 million euros

>>14656297
Is it possible to land manually on Mars? Or does the atmosphere and gravity make that a solid no
Just thinking about how the apollo astronauts were crazy enough to not only ask for—but demand manual landing on the LM. They were more confident in their flying abilities than they were in the computer and I don’t blame them.

why did the booster explosion happyn

>>14656331
Their simulations were two week to take everything into account

Apologize

>>14656344
ugly bitch, all astronomers are stinky and fat and are balding regardless of gender

>>14656327
I don't think the astronauts will be worried about the computers. Starship's landing maneuver computers work well.

>>14656344
I'm sorry my penis is so bright in IR, JWST-chan.

>>14656352
>this thing that has crashed 99% of the time and barely made a successful landing has pretty good computers, trust me bro

>>14656348
He was based until the fun police arrived.

>>14656327
>but demand manual landing on the LM
The AGC was barely pocket calculator-tier, and it had no way to account for bad terrain.

>new space companies considering launching from balloons and catapults
>still not dumb enough to use solid rocket motors
Solid "bros", did we get too cocky?

>>14656327
>computer
A cheap calculator has more computing power than the Apollo cpu did
I'd be wanting manual control too

Guys did you know the apollo guidance computer was only as powerful as a modern handheld calculator? Bet nobody here knew this

>>14656408
It would be in the realm of possibilities to have a program to extend the landing target for 1km or something like that.

>>14656431
I played Doom on my friend's calculator in school once.

>>14656331
Fuel mixed with air underneath it. Something made a spark and you got a fuel air bomb. Stupid oversight they should've known about.

>>14656366
I'm still mad about this whole muh sexist shirt thing. God, I hate urfers(very much an insult) so much

>>14656431
I modified/rebuilt a TI-Nspire CX and a TI-84 plus to store data I would then use to cheat on numerous exams my junior and senior year, EE. Now making 125 with a security clearance :^)

Maybe NASA should hire me

>>14656327
Mars has a little over twice the gravity that the moon does so in theory yeah, you could probably manually control the descent if you were good enough

You probably wouldn't catch anyone trying to do something in training as stupid as that jury-rigged lunar lander simulator that nearly killed Armstrong though

>>14656436
MirageOS for lyfe, I had Yoshi's Cookie, Block Dude, Phoenix and Drug Wars on my TI-83, it was a miracle if I paid any attention at all in Biology class

>>14656480
Leftists are a subhuman plague for causing a shit fit over it, but he's a spineless faggot for kneeling to them

upgrade-able satellites

>>14656586
expendable planets

>>14656586
huh i didnt know future gps satellites will be upgradable https://spacenews.com/lockheed-martin-to-upgrade-gps-satellites-for-in-orbit-servicing/

>>14656525
I know he flinched, even before canceling was a thing. I'm still mad about the whole thing.

>>14656592
Capitalists already treat this planet as expendable

>>14656622
It literally is

>>14655509
They are siding with China on this one.

>>14655763
waste RCS imo

>>14656191
The booster probably isn't the concern because of the thrust puck and the shrouds protecting it. I'd actually take Elon at his word about the engines more than anything. They need to check for cracks. If I was more of an autist who gave a shit about what those fags at NSF did, I'd check to see how many unused engines are sitting in the tent. Might unironically be easier to just swap out all the engines if they have enough on hand and then check the integrity of the ones from the accident in the meantime while you put the booster back on the stand and go again.

>>14656344
No, it was still a retardedly risky design and they got lucky

>>14656344
there's been a good few of these lately and I've been too busy at work to save them, can you post the good ones from the last two weeks or so?

>>14656745
hate to tell you anon, but they're all bad

>>14656764
no duh, all anime is shit
I meant the comparatively good ones

>>14656418
who's launching from balloons?

>>14656745
Lol I could but a certain schizo might get mad

>>14656772
I said GOOD pictures

>>14656770
There was a Spanish company that was talking about launching small sats using balloons, but they've been quiet for so long I just assumed they'd gone bankrupt and no one noticed.

>>14656775
Anon, I don't know your tastes

>>14656789
give me some brown ethnic tomboys also thank you for the Atlantis
they were good girls who did good work despite the whole program being trash and a setback

>>14656770
Space Ryde and other literal who companies listed here

https://www.newspace.im/launchers

>>14656772
lmao is that based on kill la kill?
i haven't seen the schizo surface here in a while

>>14656793
the only ethnic ones I have are Neutron and Electron, but Electron-chan is questionable quality

>>14656811
anon that image is from December I am looking for images from the last two weeks

>>14656772
>>14656789
>>14656811
>>14656810
>>14656841
Kill yourself

>>>/a/
>>>/c/
>>>/jp/
>>>/trash/

>>14656772
you were not wrong lmao, there he is: >>14656847

Looks like Nelson is making hay while the sun shines

>“You should have seen the president and the vice president last night,” said NASA Administrator Bill Nelson in remarks at the Goddard Space Flight Center here July 12. “They asked just a million questions about a lot of things.”

>Nelson reiterated that enthusiasm talking with reporters after the Goddard event. “The president says to me last night, ‘Hey, Bill, do you need any money?’ I said, ‘Mr. President, I could use a little help with the Office of Management and Budget in your White House,’” he said. That prompted laughter, he recalled, as an OMB official was in the audience at the White House event.

https://spacenews.com/nasa-sees-jwst-success-helping-win-agency-support-and-funding/
More cash for dem programs...

>>14656901
>making hay while the sun shines
Never heard this before but I like it

>>14654161
>the agency was barred from investigating the matter
I got a half-chub off that idea alone

>>14656855
the schizo is always here
its actually really easy to tell when he posts

>>14653374
YOU SIR ARE CORRECT
They've progressed 50 years in the last 15 and are about to pass us.
BUT THEY SHOULD: there's 1,500,000,000 of them vs. 300m USA. What makes us so special?

>>14653773
Eh, not that big. A mirror ~100 meters across, configured like JWST via concentrators, is big enough to image land masses in other star systems. You don't need kilometers of light collection. Beyond a certain size, its diminishing returns.

When are the JWST Neptune pictures coming out?

>>14656841
My absolute fav is sbark38
https://twitter.com/sbarky38
https://www.pixiv.net/en/users/71739996
MELTA is great too, and sometimes posts here, but beware his non-spaceflight art
https://twitter.com/MRMELT4
For the queen of /sfg/
https://twitter.com/clearusui
For the risky spaceflight art patrician, Kiichi is for you
https://twitter.com/kiichiglad1
https://www.pixiv.net/en/users/127542
Recently I've been browsing calunne, really great stuff like that Atlantis and Chellenger-chan
https://twitter.com/calunne
For occasional kino
https://twitter.com/chevronsauvages
For more cute and cringe, see the following
https://www.pixiv.net/en/users/52852121
https://www.pixiv.net/en/users/11593
https://poipiku.com/95975
For extreme cringe, see /sfg/'s favorite train autists (yes, there are two)
https://twitter.com/RDhaniswara
https://twitter.com/CirqueduCiel
If you really want to ruffle feathers, post anything from Minto Marsh or Robin Wang. cant remember their profiles, but the JWST art is fun

>>14656928
>not building a 100,000 km diameter interferometer array at L2 to image exoplanets 50 light years away with a 2 km resolution
Step it up anon

>>14656928
I wonder if there's a market for a modular hexagon. Keep the same actuator setup, reuse as much as the solved problems as possible, and your design just adapts to budget and mission constraints. I don't think a COTS space telescope is possible but JWST (with a better sunshade design) seems to be a pretty good model. I would like to see starshade funding before JWSTs mission comes to a close, but realistically that won't happen

>>14656956
No, there is not a fucking market for this

>>14656958
Not with the current availability of ground astronomy, no. Once Starlink's full shells are up that might change.

>>14656958
Sorry, I forgot that /sfg/ slept through Microecon 100