/sci/ - Science & Math

Is disclose.tv where every /pol/cel gets his info from?

>>14635073
What if it is?

>>14635081
have you ever asked yourself who owns disclose.tv?

>>14635073
>https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35456309/

>>14635073
Is it really that unbelievable of a claim? Does anyone, even someone working in healthcare, know of teens and 20 year olds getting these complications from covid like they do the vaccinations?

>>14635095
No, I'm not dismissing the scientific publication (I haven't read it either). I was just curious because disclose.tv tweets are posted all the time on /pol/ and I was wondering if any of you had ever questioned who owns it.

>>14635105
see >>14635090
retard. it doesn't matter who reports it, they aren't the researchers.

>>14635130
it matters when it comes to the narrative they build by giving emphasis to different pieces
disclose.tv is not a scientific news aggregator, it is an aggregator of news that is convenient for the owners.

>>14635135
>muh narrative
Nope, doesn't matter. They have no obligation to pander to whatever narrative you prefer.

>>14635140
keep your eyes wide shut

>>14635064
>Increased chance of death
>possible permanent lung damage
>known to cause brain damage
>long covid
But at least you won't get myocarditis!

Fuck off.

>>14635142
says the man who refuses to accept a scientific study because he doesn't like the unrelated tabloid OP posted

>>14635144
>Increased chance of death
>possible permanent lung damage
>known to cause brain damage
>long covid
None of that is real. Nobody I know has died in the past 5 years.

>>14635147
OP has not read it either. He simply makes printscreens of the latest disclose.tv tweets and posts it on /pol/. meanwhile, because it is about vaccines, he posted here on /sci/ too to farm some (You)s.

>>14635151
>lalala if I don't read it, it's not real!

>>14635153
not my argument at all, i never dismissed the study.

>>14635156
In fact you did, you refuse to read it because you don't like somebody who reported on it. Pathetic.

>>14635158
You are implying that you've read it. Then summarize it here for us.
btw, not reading != agreeing/disagreeing. in fact because I haven't read, I don't have an informed opinion about it. but go ahead and summarize it for us, or are you all talk?

>>14635089
Have you asked yourself who owns fact checkers, big tech and regulatory agencies?

>>14635162
You're coping so hard right now.

>>14635164
still waiting for your summary, big boi

>>14635163
BlackRock.
Which is owned by... Alexa, read the the "early life" section for Larry Fink.

>>14635130
It's a shill, they always argue with fallacies and try to poison the discussion with their stupidity.

Don't answer defensively, be agrresive on the replies

>>14635171
I just like stringing them along, their efforts are entirely unproductive.

>>14635171
>It's a shill
like clockwork
see >>14635073 (image)

>>14635135
>it matters when it comes to the narrative they build by giving emphasis to different pieces
You mean exactly what the vaccine salesmen do? If you're too retarded to read a study, go see what the fact checkers say and take the average

>>14635178
>You mean exactly what the vaccine salesmen do?
Yes. Believe it or not, there are many factions.

>>14635144
>known to cause brain damage
Just like it was "known" to cause myocarditis? You shilling niggers always used this talking point that covid had a bigger risk for myocarditis than the vaccine.

>>14635144
>>14635180
Example
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/04/01/myocarditis-risk-higher-after-covid-infection-than-vaccination-cdc-finds.html

What an amazing and trustworthy scientific association the CDC is right?

>>14635173
>y-you called me out therefore you're wrong

>>14635135
ALL scientific news aggregators ARE aggregators of news that are convenient for the owners.
You realize this, right?

>>14635214
You are wrong, but understandable because you only watch /soi/ence. See for instance arXiv (it is on twitter too).

>>14635073
>>14635105
>>14635151
>waaaaaaah waaaaaaah muh /pol/ waaaaaaaaah
Why do redditards crawl out of their shithole just to come here and bitch and cry and whine about /pol/ at every conceivable opportunity?

>>14635064
>And how does science respond?
..."And?"
>Similar to our study, Xie et al. showed that individuals with COVID-19 infection are at increased risk of cardiovascular complications 30 days after infection, including pericarditis and myocarditis regardless of the need for hospitalization [30]. Comparable with our study, the study population was tested for the risk of inflammatory heart diseases regardless of previous SRAS-COV-2 vaccination. Yet, in contrast, in the study by Xie et al., the tested cohort was homogenous, comprising of US Department of Veterans Affairs with male predominance and young age. The difference in the population characteristics may explain the dissimilarity between the results of the studies as young males are known to exhibit a higher incidence of myocarditis and pericarditis.

Not surprising nor am I surprised. Plus mean age was 42 with standard deviation +/- 17 years. This is a considerably older population, where we already know myocarditis risk is lower. Yawn.

>>14635350
You do realize there was a control group on the study right?

>>14635064
sciencists won't like this thread op.

>>14635385
Oh? Please explain to me how you think that changes anything. I'm all ears. I can't wait to hear this.

>>14635350
>>14635350
excess myocarditis events after infection appears higher in older age brackets in every study ive seen, while the vaccine induced hits young guys.
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.12.23.21268276v1.full.pdf

>>14635273
>>14635273
They're paid agents and/or augmented by ai botfarms unironically

>>14635273
>everyone who is skeptic is reddit
reminder that no one has disagreed with the study

>>14635401
That is not an explanation, that is moving the goalpost. Typical.
>excess myocarditis events after infection appears higher in older age brackets in every study ive seen,
How to admit you don't read studies without admitting it.
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7035e5.htm
While myocarditis risk starts to increase in the 50-64 bracket, at no point is it as high as the < 16 bracket. In effect, the study posted by OP is a population whose mean age is the "goldilocks zone" of least possible myocarditis risk either relative to age or relative to infection. Something you'd also know if you ever looked at any nation's CDC-equivalent data. That is why it found nothing. Nobody is surprised.

OOOOOOOOH CLOTBOIIIIIIII
HOW YA FEELIN'
https://streamable.com/415q07

>>14635449
ah i see what you're saying. still, viral myocarditis remains a nothingburger compared to the clotshots

>>14635473
>ah i see what you're saying. still, viral myocarditis remains a nothingburger compared to the clotshots
Um, no.

>>14635479
yeah https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamacardiology/fullarticle/2791253

>>14635498
>yeah https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamacardiology/fullarticle/2791253
RTFA. No. Even ignoring that it does not control for error rates in testing and so on, rate from covid alone is far higher.

>>14635418
>They're paid agents and/or augmented by ai botfarms unironically
Is it that reality shattering to realize the majority of the population hates you and your employers, and that decentralized information is waking up the people faster than ever?

>>14635449
>the study posted by OP is a population whose mean age is the "goldilocks zone" of least possible myocarditis risk either relative to age or relative to infection
Irrelevant, there was a control group which wasn't infected, yet it display more myocarditis than the infected group
>>14635394
>Please explain to me how you think that changes anything
The study itself? The people without infection developed more myocarditis than the infected group, the same age group were used for both or adjusted. Your argument is completely irrelevant.

>>14635518
>Irrelevant, there was a control group which wasn't infected, yet it display more myocarditis than the infected group
Anomalies on a single hospital aren't relevant.
>>14635518
>The study itself? The people without infection developed more myocarditis than the infected group, the same age group were used for both or adjusted. Your argument is completely irrelevant.
You wish. An anomaly does not "debunk" multi-million population samples from whole regions and dozens of hospitals. You fucking wish.

>>14635511
>error rates in testing
More likely to give a false positive if anything

>rate from covid alone is far higher
During the entirety of 2020 and a good portion of 2021, before any vaccines started to be injected in large numbers, myocarditis wasn't on the news at all. Yet after vaccines ramped up myocarditis started popping up to the point it became news worthy.

This is a good enough evidence for me that covid infections don't cause myocarditis, specially since the earliest variants were the deadliest and most damaging in general due to how viruses adapt over time.

If you disagree you can wait 100 years until some scientists confirms I'm right anyway. You're not fit for risk analysis and related professions (investing, insurance, etc.) as what is actually happening in reality is not gathered in tidy clean peer reviewed gold standard double blind placebo meta-analysis reports, instinct and vague information are much more frequently the basis to make decisions.

>>14635530
>More likely to give a false positive if anything
False negative rates are higher in the young. Everything else you wrote is just pointless filler and insults.

>>14635525
>Anomalies on a single hospital aren't relevant
Hundreds of thousands of people are more than relevant

Your bias (and probably profession, UN nigger) forces you to dismiss the results as an anomaly

>You wish. An anomaly
You need to prove it's an anomaly by showing the exact same methodology being applied elsewhere with different conclusions you dumb nigger, this is how science works

>>14635537
>Hundreds of thousands of people are more than relevant
From one hospital. An anomaly in one hospital does not dismiss samples of dozens with tens of millions. Just grasping at straws.
>You need to prove it's an anomaly by showing the exact same methodology being applied elsewhere with different conclusions you dumb nigger, this is how science works
You mean all the nation-wide ecological results? Yeah this is an anomaly. You done yet?

>>14635511
I did read it. It shows vaccines cause more myocarditis for young men than infection. Error rates in testing are a meme.

>>14635525
>An anomaly does not "debunk" multi-million population samples from whole regions and dozens of hospitals
In this case I'm more than willing to bet this study of "millions" was nowhere near the control of the "anomalous study", as the CDC and associated companies have every incentive to be lax about their methodology
https://www.bmj.com/content/375/bmj.n2635/
https://www.lifesitenews.com/opinion/growing-evidence-suggests-pfizer-committed-widespread-fraud-in-its-covid-jab-trials/

>Trial site 1231, located in Argentina, somehow managed to recruit 10% of the total trial participants, 4,501 in all, and they did so in just three weeks, and without a contract research organization — a feat that has many questioning whether fraud was committed
>The lead investigator for trial site 1231 is Dr. Fernando Polack, who also happens to be a consultant for the U.S. Food and Drug Administration’s Vaccines and Related Biological Products Advisory Committee (RBPAC), a current adjunct professor at Vanderbilt University in Tennessee, an investigator for Fundación Infant, funded by the Bill & Melinda Gates foundation, and the first author of Pfizer’s paper, “Safety and Efficacy of the BNT162b2 mRNA COVID-19 Vaccine,” published at the end of December 2021
>Site 1231 held a second enrollment session, given the designation of “site 4444.” The 4444 trial site data raise another red flag. It supposedly enrolled 1,275 patients in a single week, from September 22 through 27, 2020 — the last week that recruitment could take place to meet the data cutoff for the FDA meeting in December 2020. Was “site 4444” fabricating data to create the appearance that the jab was having an effect?

>>14635543
>From one hospital
Which is good for the control aspect of the study.

As you should know, the gold standard for studies involved being well controlled, well designed and well powered.

It's weird how this 'e' guy is on here shilling 24/7

>>14635551
It's very likely an UN employee, PR, fact checking, information "warfare", this kind of thing

The proof is that we had a thread recently about this article
https://www.un.org/en/chronicle/article/benefits-world-hunger

The professor who wrote it was the usual UN sociopath, but this time he revealed their true desires.

Shortly after the thread here, somehow the article got 404, despite having been published November 2021

>>14635544
>In a cohort study of 23.1 million residents across 4 Nordic countries, risk of myocarditis after the first and second doses of SARS-CoV-2 mRNA vaccines was highest in young males aged 16 to 24 years after the second dose.
>For young males receiving 2 doses of the same vaccine, data were compatible with between 4 and 7 excess events in 28 days per 100000 vaccinees after second-dose BNT162b2, and between 9 and 28 per 100000 vaccinees after second-dose mRNA-1273.

I guess the e nigger will be silent about this "millions study" supporting the anomoly with just a few hundred thousands
>>14635543
>An anomaly in one hospital does not dismiss samples of dozens with tens of millions.
I guess? But muh false negative rates right?

>>14635536
>Everything else you wrote is just pointless filler and insults.
You're retarded mate, this is completely relevant
>>14635530
>During the entirety of 2020 and a good portion of 2021, before any vaccines started to be injected in large numbers, myocarditis wasn't on the news at all. Yet after vaccines ramped up myocarditis started popping up to the point it became news worthy.
It is a clear signal

>>14635548
>In this case I'm more than willing to bet this study of "millions" was nowhere near the control of the "anomalous study", as the CDC and associated companies have every incentive to be lax about their methodology
Bla bla conspiracy theory. Ignored.
>>14635544
>I did read it. It shows vaccines cause more myocarditis for young men than infection. Error rates in testing are a meme.
See supplemental "emethods". eTable 10, unvaccinated myocarditis cases 731, vaccinated myocarditis cases 347 (both sex 12+), males 12-39 314 (unvaccinated) and 178 (vaccinated). Both for total 12+, and young males, infections were higher.

You did not read it.

>>14635561
>I guess the e nigger will be silent about this "millions study" supporting the anomoly with just a few hundred thousands
You mean the one I just commented on where you're wrong >>14635562

>>14635562
>See supplemental "emethods". eTable 10, unvaccinated myocarditis cases 731, vaccinated myocarditis cases 347 (both sex 12+), males 12-39 314 (unvaccinated) and 178 (vaccinated). Both for total 12+, and young males, infections were higher.
>You did not read it.
There were 178 vaccinated people being studied but 347 vaccinated myocarditis cases?

How do you assume "infections were higher" given none of the numbers you gave say anything about infection status? Your numbers only show being vaccinated increases your risk of fucking up your heart

>>14635576
>There were 178 vaccinated people being studied but 347 vaccinated myocarditis cases?
What the fuck? No, those are case n counts. As in 178 cases of myocarditis. I just gave the raw n count because other anon (or you?) claimed that it was higher.

Want the rate adjusted for respective sub population too or...?

>>14635573
>the one I just commented on where you're wrong
Your "comment" was saying my post was a conspiracy theory, therefore impossible to be true. Even though conspiracies do happen all the time.

Moreover, if you analyze the entire situation of covid you should be able to tell who has bigger incentives and means to create the actually conspiracy. But then again, if Facebook labeling BMJ's articles as "disinformation" doesn't light a bulb inside your head, I don't know what will

>>14635578
>Your "comment" was saying my post was a conspiracy theory, therefore impossible to be true. Even though conspiracies do happen all the time.
Burden of proof is on you. Demonstrate how that earlier linked CDC study is the product of a conspiracy. No, vague claims about the CDC as a whole don't count.

>>14635577
>What the fuck? No, those are case n counts. As in 178 cases of myocarditis. I just gave the raw n count
According to the numbers you gave each vaccinated got myocarditis twice though

>Want the rate adjusted for respective sub population too or...?
Or what nigger? Write in English language instead of trying to be passive aggressive in 4chan like this your office environment

>>14635581
>According to the numbers you gave each vaccinated got myocarditis twice though
I did not post the number of vaccinated because it's a time series and a pain in the ass. Nothing I posted should lead you to conclude "therefore got myocarditis twice". The fuck are you on about?

>>14635562
Among males 16 to 24 years of age, the excess number of myocarditis events per 100000 vaccinees in the 28-day risk periods after the first dose of BNT162b2 was 1.55 (95% CI, 0.70-2.39) events and after the second dose was 5.55 (95% CI, 3.70-7.39) events*, and it was 1.75 (95% CI, −0.20 to 3.71) events after the first dose of mRNA-1273 and 18.39 (95% CI, 9.05-27.72) events after the second dose*

During the 28-day risk period after a positive SARS-CoV-2 test, there were 73 myocarditis cases. Excess events of myocarditis were 3.26 (95% CI, 1.90-4.61) events per 100000 individuals with a positive test result among all males, and 1.37 (95% CI, −0.14 to 2.87) events per 100000 individuals with a positive test result among males aged 16 to 24 years

>>14635556
Yeah, it's pretty scary. The idea of govt 'nudge' units and shit shilling and thought policing, creating artificial consensuses and so on. And now they have the ability for one wagie to control countless bots too. Dead internet theory is real.

>>14635586
And? Your illiteracy and innumeracy seems to lead you to think that counts as a refutation. I remind you, n count for unvaccinated is higher than for vaccinated. You are misinterpreting what you just pasted. Otherwise it would necessarily be the opposite, because by end of time series the majority of the populations are vaccinated.

Riddle me this batman: How could the risk incidence be multiple fold higher yet the total n count be lower? Gee maybe that doesn't mean what you think it means.

>>14635589
yup, and can you imagine (((them))) trying to 'correct' us that the earth is not flat? I mean, if they continue digging for oil at some point they must surely fall, no? What is the depth anyway? And where do they fall into? God?

>>14635580
>Burden of proof is on you
Sure
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9062939/

>how that earlier linked CDC study is the product of a conspiracy
I don't need to prove a given study of the CDC is a product of a conspiracy to prove the conspiracy is happening. All that needs to be done is to track the decisions made by the CDC itself and show it is indeed conspiring against the population along with other agents. There is an article in bmj that shows exactly that (linked above).

But to show this study in particular was a "product of conspiracy" is impossible unless you get the confessions of the authors (like it happened with the LANCETGATE study, which was evidently fabricated to smear the reputation of HCQ as a treatement for covid) or from whistleblowers (like if happened with Pfizer covid vaccine trials).

As the CDC is known to be a conspirator, a malign agent, then of course every study becomes suspicious and beyond the methodology flaws that can be pointed out (for example, the one "proving" a reduction of cases among the vaccinated with did not include the possibility the vaccine could increase susceptibility to covid in the first 14 days, hence they only considered vaccinated and tested the recently vaccinated after 14 days), the studies can be investigated for fraud

>>14635602
>I don't need to prove a given study of the CDC is a product of a conspiracy to prove the conspiracy is happening.
You need to demonstrate there is a flaw in that study to dismiss that study. I don't care about your conspiracy theory.

>>14635606
Do you deny a peer reviewed study published in LANCET was fabricated to smear the reputation and justify the prohibition of HCQ as a treatment for COVID? Do you deny this was a conspiracy?

>>14635612
That isn't a flaw in the study I posted. I do not care about your red herrings.

>>14635606
>You need to demonstrate there is a flaw in that study to dismiss that study
That isn't what you asked for
>>14635580
>Your "comment" was saying my post was a conspiracy theory, therefore impossible to be true. Even though conspiracies do happen all the time.
>Burden of proof is on you. Demonstrate how that earlier linked CDC study is the product of a conspiracy
You asked for proof the study could be a product of a conspiracy, which I gave plenty. Obviously if the organization behind a study is indeed conspiring the study itself becomes suspect automatically by association.

>>14635616
>You asked for proof the study could be a product of a conspiracy, which I gave plenty.
You gave red herrings that have nothing to do with that study.
>>14635616
>That isn't what you asked for
And you proceed to quote me asking for evidence about that study, which you did not provide. Jesus christ the illiteracy.

>>14635613
>red herrings
A "red herring" is a false clue, therefore you indeed deny known facts and can't be considered someone arguing in good faith.
https://www.statnews.com/2020/06/04/lancet-retracts-major-covid-19-paper-that-raised-safety-concerns-about-malaria-drugs/
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jun/05/lancet-had-to-do-one-of-the-biggest-retractions-in-modern-history-how-could-this-happen

>>14635556
https://web.archive.org/web/20220319030933/https://www.un.org/en/chronicle/article/benefits-world-hunger

>>14635620
>A "red herring" is a false clue, therefore you indeed deny known facts and can't be considered someone arguing in good faith.
> therefore you indeed deny known facts
Pointing out your bullshit is irrelevant to the paper posted is not denying anything but relevance. I maintain I do not give a shit about your vague appeal to motivate fallacies.

>>14635595
Irrelevant. Rates per 100k are all that matters.

>>14635631
>Irrelevant. Rates per 100k are all that matters.
Yet the rate per 100k in spite of being listed as higher resulted in lower n count by far.

Those figures do not mean what you think they mean. Entirely relevant. As per usual.

>>14635636
>>14635636
You're not fooling anyone

>>14635619
>that have nothing to do with that study.
If you can't follow basic logic and connect facts I don't see a reason to continue this

>>14635640
>You're not fooling anyone
Correct, because I'm explaining the truth.
>>14635642
>If you can't follow basic logic and connect facts I don't see a reason to continue this
"what is appeal to motive fallacy"
You reaching for some conspiracy about bad motives regarding something else instead of finding a flaw or reason to discount the study listed is just fallacious. Feel free to actually do some real work for once instead of schizopost.

>>14635148
>muh anecdotal evidence
>here, let me gaslight you about information you can find in official vaccine documents provided by manifacturers
what a deranged dunce you are
back to your containment website plebbit

>>14635703
I don't believe in pandemics I haven't seen. You are in a cult.

>>14635064
>NEW
>published in april
lol

>>14635426
>muh skepticism
I can smell the stench of reddit on this post

>>14635222
arXiv isn't a scientific news aggregator, it's just a repository for preprints (i.e. it contains research papers and not news articles reporting on them)

disclose.tv is fake news
remember 2 days ago they posted a headline about how the LHC had just created a portal that was devouring the world

>>14635064
So.... the vaccinated control group has no higher risk of myocarditis and pericarditis than the unvaccinated? Colour me surprised. Will /pol/tards now finally shut up about the vaccine?

>>14635707
you havent seen your brain, so it doesnt exist

>>14635105
>I was just curious because disclose.tv tweets are posted all the time on /pol/
This isn't a meta board. Why are you here discussing your problems with /pol/? Shouldn't you discuss that on /pol/ or on the meta board?

God /sci/ is so shit, read the thread hoping for a relaible summary but it's so full of shit flingers and obscurers that I have no choice to go read the actual thing. Brb with a statement of who the disingenuous shills trying to block information are.

>>14636008
Because you haemorrhoids keep posting your garbage all over our board

Ok so despite the shit flinging in the thread all the study says is that natural covid infection doesn't give an increased myo or pericarditis risk.

But we know mRNA vaccination does. Makes sense when you consider route of delivery but i'm still surprised covid gives zero increased risk.

>>14635350
Xie data is fucky. They show 10% of their covid population hospitalized which indicates an older or unusually at risk population as well.

>>14636297
LOL. What you've said essentially is "We had to destroy the village to save it". The "I hate /pol/ and I'm going to make sure EVERY SINGLE BOARD knows it" crowd is 10000x worse than any /pol/ posts.

>>14635350
Sure myocarditis risk is mostly in the young but an SD of 17 years around 42 goes down to 25. You would definitely expect to capture some increased risk.

>>14636301
Yeah, that seem suspicious since we know covid creates inflammation and it's unlikely the heart would be completely excluded from that. Perhaps there's some kind of methodological error or they're categorizing cardiac issues with a different threshold than we'd assume.
It's absolutely worth looking into deeper. If it turns out to be correct, or even mostly correct, the trend towards higher levels of cardiac issues, especially in the younger populations, points to some recent change as the most likely culprit. If that does turn out to be the vaccines, look for all of those who not only cheerleaded the vaccines but also took an authoritarian approach to pushing them, to go on an all out war to keep from having to take responsibility. Information clarity will get much worse than it already has been.

>>14636306
Not if we only write that under pol posts

>>14636311
>>14636305
It does not matter. The rate in the paper is not what you think it is. The n count for coronavirus myocarditis is over that for "vaccine associated". If the vaccination rate was so high then why at the end of the time series does covid have a higher case count for myocarditis? >>14635562

It's really quite simple: If the rate worked like you thought, then the n counts would be higher. By end of time series the vast majority of the populations are vaccinated. Yet it's the opposite. Riddle me that.

>>14635144
it's literally a cold you sniveling poindexter

>>14635833
It doesn't say anything about vaccinated

>>14636335
Read again

Did we just lose sciencebros?

>>14638018
yeah we did

>>14635144
>possible
>known to
Yawn

>>14638360
What's wrong with known to? How can a scientific statement be stronger?
What's wrong with possible? If one patient doesn't develop it, you can't lie and say "will", because not every patient will suffer from certain complications.
Did you ever write a scientific publication?

>>14638398
Because that's all very relative. For a 30 year old male what is my percentage of
A. catching the virus
B. accruing these side effects

Well under 1% and probably less dangerous statistically than me getting maimed driving the 10 minutes to work

So yeah I don't care

>>14635073
I always find the disengenious nature of these kinds of memes to be pretty funny. One of these groups has power and the other doesnt and the one that doesnt have power is right about who really does so you are a shit bag and cunt

>>14635273
"They're paid to do it" is such a tired and unoriginal response but it's the conclusion I keep coming to. Even 60 IQ retards know that the best way to make trolls leave is to stop giving them attention, but these people bitch and moan and make halfhearted attempts to "debunk" random garbage at every turn. It's baffling because I can't really believe that someone is being paid to be retarded on 4chan.

>>14638501
>For a 30 year old male
Are you aware that society outside of Magic the Gathering tournaments does not consist of 30 year old males?

>>14638510
>>14638510
don't really care. the vaccine doesn't stop the spread (they lied about that) so there is no reason for me to have gotten it. if the pro vaccine side of this whole thing didn't constantly lie we wouldn't be here.

>>14638509
>It's baffling because I can't really believe that someone is being paid to be retarded on 4chan.
They are, it isnt speculation or up for debate. There are government agencies who have entire psyop networks to do it

>>14638511
>they lied about that
Who is "they" and what exactly did they say?

>>14638516
If a sociology phd candidate is an entire psyop network, then they have at least tried and concluded it didn't work.

>>14638522
>being this obtuse
COINTELPRO has been around since the 50's you disingenuous cunt, this is nothing new and the "center for research and evidence on security threats" isnt some egg heads in the basement of the sociology department at some university doing studies out of curiosity for the betterment of humanity. kys you glowing cocksucker

>>14638524
Imagine thinking that you're this important to the government.

>>14638510
Are you aware I don't give a shit, and neither does anybody else?

>>14638524
>i'm le so heckin' redpilled!!
>argues with the most obvious shills
Normie.

>>14638527
>>14638530
you glow so bright you are blinding anons. At least you are right about one thing
> it didn't work.
Because you drooling g men are so dense and obvious it is painful to watch you try to "blend in"

>>14638529
It's a scientific publication. You're clearly not the target audience, faggot. And if you care so little, how come you're still replying?

>>14638530
>>14638527
I will give you a quick pointer though. When you just outright gaslight people about known facts it is the biggest red flag possible you idiots are shills. If you could practice even a little bit of subtlety you could possibly be effective on some level. But I mean how subtle can you be when you are covering for demonic pedophile (((bankers)))? The evidence is overwhelming and impossible to deny all you can do is outright gaslight people. Imagine spending your life being the "jannies" for the scum of the Earth. You are the lowest lifeforms imaginable and I will be right in the front of the crown when public executions for treason come back into fashion here is a few years

>>14638537
*crowd

>>14638530
I was exposing shills here when your stupid ass was still calling people schizo for even suggesting ti could be happening mouth breather so eat my ass. Not everyone had their hand held and was spoonfed this information already like you were. There are always new anons in a thread and you are posting for them not the shill you fucking rookie

>>14638537
Come on m8, don't try to argue gaslighting don't work on the goylem, the braindead cattle, which are what, 95+% of the alledgedly human population ?
Please interact with more NPCs before trying to display this despicable optimism about the effectiveness of demonic tactics.

You know who is going to protect these filth ?
The cattle, the goylem, the NPC, their sword and their shield.
It has always been the case, and hopefully the mutagen will genocide them all, dat 80% vaxrate dayum

>>14638544
You're doing good work and i'm mainly having a giggle with that post, but it's still the truth.

>>14638543
>There are always new anons in a thread and you are posting for them not the shill you fucking rookie

>>14638544
Yes I am well aware of this mate sadly. But we arent looking for the sheep now are we? We are looking for the wolves to help us herd the sheep. You have to have some kind of vetting process man we cant just accept any retards off the streets

>>14638537
>covering for demonic pedophile (((bankers)))
Actually I'm just here defending science and calling out lies from /pol/tards that aim at undermining scientists.

>>14638544
>hopefully the mutagen will genocide them all,
Weren't we all supposed to die last September according to Dr. Coldwell?

>>14638554
how about you aim your tongue at my asshole and take a nice big lick and savor the flavor

>>14638561
Sorry I'm not a homosexual like you

>>14638533
>>14638537
>>14638543
>normie cuckold absolutely exploding with rage
Keep arguing with shills, retard.

>>14635144
None of that has conclusive evidence. You're delussional.

>>14638524
Thanks for the tips how to troll /pol/ even more efficiently.

>>14635073
looks like its on pubmed not disclose.tv anon
you can't into search engine?

>>14638572
>reeee
stfu mouth breather a stupid little shit like you wouldnt even know what direction is up lest someone like me explains it you like a 4yo

>>14638578
Maybe you should go back and reply to my post a 4th, 5th and 6th time just to show everyone how totally not mad you are.

>>14638536
Who IS the target audience? Cuckolded doctors who take selfish for twitter of them wearing 3 masks?

>>14638589
Selfies*

>>14635144
weird everyone i know who's vaxxed (most people i live in portland) are like aids patients getting sick all week and can't get out of bed every time they get covid.
i've gotten infected three times from my vaxxed roommates. i get a mild head cold for 1-2 days and take some baby aspirin. its never made me cough a single time either, and i'm a heavy chain smoker.
face it, you got swindled and there's no refunds. intelligent people can recognize when they made a mistake. you can't be more than a midwit without the capability to self-criticize and improve yourself. if you lack the ability to do this, then everything you've known is someone else's regurgitated thoughts, either more intelligent than you, or just enough to fool you into thinking they are.
you are an audiobook recording of a school textbook published by ghislaine maxwell's dad and i am a greek polymath.

>>14638559
Deagel's 2015 forecast was -70% depopulation by 2025.
https://streamable.com/415q07
The clottyfrens take time to become big and strong, give it time buddy.

>>14635643
>schizo
anon, i don't think the anon you are replying to is jewish. only 0.46% of goyim are schizophrenics.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26198764/
https://www.haaretz.com/2013-11-26/ty-article/.premium/ashkenazi-gene-increases-schizophrenia/0000017f-e04b-d75c-a7ff-fccfa3e10000
https://www.technologynetworks.com/neuroscience/news/study-of-ashkenazi-jewish-population-reveals-new-schizophrenia-mutation-347001

>>14635073
The only person here who thought a news artical out of Israel is blaming the Jews is you.
There are plenty of normal Jewish people as there are Black people. Stop being racist, and you should probably get your accute schizophasia checked out.

>>14638600
Israel != jews too, there's many Muslims there.

>>14638604
This anon gets it.

>>14638581
maybe you should find my posts in other threads to post some snarky, condescending, low IQ takes at to show you arent a sociopathic loser with no friends and nothing better to do

>>14638610
You will reply because you're a seething normie.

>>14638618
you cant stop replying because you are a mouth breathing drooler who gets dopamine spikes from saying stupid shit to strangers online as your only social interactions

>>14638610
post your nose
>>14638509
i'm in the medical legal field. this is a pretty dumb ass post. malpractice rates are through the roof and it's the norm for hospitals to destroy records and cover things up. that's over a grandma getting given the wrong pills in a nursing home. just imagine what it's like for the biggest grift the industry has ever seen.

>>14638622
>the incel keeps replying
You will do it again even now that I'm now hiding this thread. What was it about dopamine spikes? Why can't you stop replying? Some real subhumans on this board.

how come, EVERY thread, the first anon to start calling people schizos is a projecting jew who hears demon voices in their head unless they take their schizo shots?
didn't israel poll 2500 ashkenazi jews a while back and find 1,000 suffer from schizophrenia or related disorders? didn't they discover new genetic mutations specifically for schizophrenia in jews?

>>14638626
>the sociopath can't stop
needed another dopamine rush so soon? Jesus your pleasure centers in your brain must look like a baboons mangled testicles after being smashed with a machete by some negroes in Somali butchering some bush meat

>>14635064
>>14635073
>israel

>>14635064
>>14635073
>>14635144
>>14635151
Cope, seethe. Never took the vaxx. Neither did my family. We're all doing fine.

>>14638628
WOW
Cool it with the antisemitic remarks you filthy goy we must genocide you all like Moloch tells me in my head.

The name calling has served its purpose of derailing this thread and moving attention away from the study OP posted. You can hit back at the name callers all you want, they already won because derailment was their goal.

>>14635140
>>14635178
>>14635214
>nooo you cant just ask questions about my retarded polcuck platform, you have to take us seriously and without a hint of scrutiny!

>>14638675
Any human reading OP have been exposed to the truth.
Any cattle volatile enough to be distracted by psyops 101 already injected itself with the mutagen.

All is well.

I want to take another booster

Fraudulent science, this is exactly why jews shouldnt he allowed human rights, they use science to extend their evil nature on gentiles.

>>14638679
based tao anon

>>14638576
>pubmed
So it's a preprint?

>>14638589
Health professionals in general. Including those deciding the best treatment in hospitals or government actions.

>>14638554

>>14638890
Think of it as having Emergency Fact Authorization.

>>14638509
>"They're paid to do it" is such a tired and unoriginal response but it's the conclusion I keep coming to
>Even 60 IQ retards know that the best way to make trolls leave is to stop giving them attention, but these people bitch and moan and make halfhearted attempts to "debunk" random garbage at every turn. It's baffling because I can't really believe that someone is being paid to be retarded on 4chan.

You follow the instruction set right to the T don't you?
>call them what we are, accuse them of what we do

>>14638895
Any "health professional" who hasn't figured out government action is only making things worse isn't very good at their job

>>14638527
>Imagine thinking that you're this important to the government.
The government seems to disagree with you, why would it keep watching all the citizens 24/7 if not?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama_on_mass_surveillance

>>14638559
>Weren't we all supposed to die last September according to Dr. Coldwell?
Dr who? I only know of one prediction, and the end date is April 2023
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/michael-yeadon-vaccine-death/

>>14638543
this, the shill is just the sounding board, be thankful they are here gaslighting and denying all the right things to allow you the opportunity to respond with the proofs. Otherwise you would look like an autistic sperg spamming your own, or someone else's threads with images and links, which accomplishes nothing because most of the clueless people on this board and other forums won't look at any of that shit. It is information overload and you just look like a spastic nutter to them and normies are all about optics not substance. The shill is your best friend, your compadre helping you get the information posted in a topical and orderly fashion.

>>14639043
btw, this was me samefagging psyopping you retards. See how easy it is forming a fake consensus and force multiplying the illusion of consent or descent? They are doing this shit all day everyday rookies

>>14639051
and PSS this is what Elon Musk has been exposing on twitter and why they have been attacking him so relentlessly. Their fake "consensus building" via bot farms

>>14638600
>Stop being racist
Never, my racism only grows stronger

>>14638677
>polcuck platform
It's not pol that HSS the support of billionaires and governments

>>14635144
>But at least you won't get myocarditis!
Anon, it was repeatedly claimed that COVID-19 increases risk of myocarditis substantially. The retort to vaccines elevating risk of myocarditis was always "COVID-19 carries an even higher risk," and now we have a study with a very large population showing no increased risk at all. We also have another study showing mRNA vaccines increased all-cause mortality. For your point about "brain damage," so does the flu. Problem, vaccines don't prevent infection, so they ostensibly won't reduce that risk. Long covid? That's primarily clotting interfering with circulation. Vaccines carry the same risk.

So yes, there's some risks from getting infected. And our treatment of choice carries the same risks. It's almost like it's not a treatment at all.

>>14635135
same with everything else. it comparatively is not pushing extreme propaganda and is minor and irrelevant. unlike corporate media. why focus on this one? would you say the same for everything else?

>>14638527
Governments hoover up as much information about all of us as possible. Not because we're important to them but because some day we might be and then they'll have plenty of data on us already.

>181 replies
>half of them are arguing and leading away from actual discussion of the study
Reminder that thread derailments are a legitimate bot/shill tactic.

That aside, it would be interesting to have a more complete study that compared both jabbed/unjabbed, since this one really only looked at unvaccinated.

>>14640006
of course not they are saying the things he wants to believe so it's fine. It is only when someone is saying thins he doesn't want to hear that it is "biased" and "narrative building"

>And how does science respond?
First thing I'd do is question the methodology seeing as how you should expect an increase and other studies have found an increase.

A study portraying the increase as greater for vaccinated adults is one thing, but if there's one fucking thing infections do, it's cause inflammation. Having there be no increase at all is a giant red flag about the study quality.

Side Note: A really basic fuckup with shitty studies is when they try to oversell their own message. You see similar shit studies on defensive gun uses where they fail to account for how many violent crimes occur each year and the math ends up working out that DGUs stop 200% of all violent crime.

>>14635105
Lol cope
>”Huehue /pol/tards get their info from disclose.tv - FAKE NOOZ”
>Here’s another more official source with the exact same information
>”Oh… I… Uhh… No I was just asking if you know who owns Disclose.tv”
You offer nothing to the gene pool and spend your time larping on this board to feel like an intellectual. Get off my board.

>>14635162
Lol, more pseudo intellectualism from this coping vaxxie. look bro, just because you took a beginner level programming class doesn’t mean you look smart for using basic boolean notation.

>>14641082
>still no answer

>>14641082
>>14641100
Look, most of the things on Sputnik or RT are at least 80% correct. What's often missing is context, or the things there are extremely selective. Does it mean, RT is full of lies. Does it make RT a good platform to stay informed? No. Does it mean, someone linking to RT is full of shit? Most likely. Now transfer this to disclose.tv

>>14635064
So you only trust Israel when it fits your point of view, or how does it work?

>>14641159
Have you never seen a /pol/tard? In early 2020 they begged trump to close the borders because they shat their pants. After government all around the world reacted to covid, they suddenly changed their mind and covid was suddenly harmless.

>>14641160
>suddenly

>>14641172
Oh yeah, unironically cheering for Putin because his foreign propaganda channels blasted messages how harmless Covid is, yet on a national level he tried to get people vaccinated.

>>14641160
There's a lot of suddenly recently.
It's intensifying, And That's A Good Thing

>>14641160
I think it is funny how NPC smooth brains still dont understand how the game works. The government is always lying about everything. If they say it is the plague, it is nothing, if they say it is nothing, it is airborne aids. This shit isnt hard simpleton. /pol/ changed their minds obviously based on knowing who is is lying to them. Simple game really kiddo, no magic to it. Simply do the opposite of what the government says and you will be right 90% or more of the time

>>14641183
It's a good thing that /pol/tards change their minds on a weekly basis? What's the critical level when /pol/ hurts itself in confusion? What's the time it takes for a change to spread throughout the hive mind? I suppose it's some kind of logistic growth. If the mean lifetime of an idea is shorter than the time it takes to spread within /pol/, will it sink in chaos?

>>14641190
So... the government was right in January 2020 actually? What about Chechen loving putin? Were islamists right? But the government hates islamists as much as /pol/ does.

>>14641181
covid is literally just a flu and sputnik is a placebo
putin didn't want his populace to be injected with judeo-western söyence juice simple as

>>14635144
Why would I compound the risks by taking the jab?

>>14641191
https://www.google.com/search?q=%22suddenly%22&source=lnms&tbm=nws&sa=X
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0TzUNti3rY

>>14641196
How can the vaccine be more dangerous than the virus if it literally is a fragment of the virus?

>>14638516

>>14638527
imagine thinking you arent glowing brighter than the sun right now

>>14641226
I'm just some dude shitposting from the bathtub. If you know how I could make the cia pay me for that, I'd appreciate any info for that

>>14641233
so essentially you are admitting that you are so stupid and so historically and politically illiterate that you have no idea how government surveillance works even though you can see it in nearly any movie, novel or even comic books for children? You know what, I believe you, good job

>>14641233
oh and let's not forget about video games and cartoons, and well fuck just the news itself. You never heard of Edward Snowden? Wikileaks?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-IaRrDc8O40

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8kZ3HfeqtA

So let's re-summarize this now. You are so stupid you absorb information all day everyday from countless sources yet you arent able to actually that information to what you observe and experience? So you are admitting you are a literal NPC automaton. Got it, again, I believe you

>>14641262
*actually apply that information

>>14641237
>>14641262
The question is: are you a victim of mass surveillance or does the government care about you in particular? I don't doubt mass surveillance. But I doubt that government agents try to contact you or me in particular. Like I said, I'm just a dude in a bathtub. But I should get out, my skin starts getting wrinkly.

>>14641267
stfu Im not finished. You are so stupid in fact that someone who isnt stupid, like myself, can lay it all out for you. Connect all the dots one by one and you STILL cant process it because it didnt come from what you consider to be an "approved source" which is anything that is endorsed by corporations and governments? So you dont really act on information, because you cant even process the information, you act on perceived authority? Would this be a correct assessment of how automatons such as yourself function?

>>14641267
Would pic related be an accurate assessment of yourself? This is assuming you even have the self awareness to know if it was which is highly questionable of course

>>14641267
>The question is: are you a victim of mass surveillance or does the government care about you in particular? I don't doubt mass surveillance.
Imagine being so astoundingly idiotic that you think that if you're not being literally and actively targeted by the CIA, then mass surveillance isn't being used against you. I don't know anymore. Imagine if enough people picked up arms and managed to bring down these Orwellian nightmare governments. Then what? You have "people" like this making up half of the population, if not the majority. Nothing would change until they are removed from society.

>>14641288
Not at all. I hate the system pretty much. If there were an anarcho-syndicalist revolution I'd join it. I have a job that earns a fraction of what I could get for confirming to the system. Yet, I still don't believe to be special enough for the government to care about me. The government doesn't need to infiltrate individuals to keep their systems alive line GDR or the USSR. Capitalism and modern police states are stable enough to be able to afford not micromanaging the thoughts of every individual.

>>14641289
yes, surf the kali yuga
https://esotericawakening.com/15-predictions-for-kali-yuga

>>14641289
>Nothing would change until they are removed from society.
Unfortunate no one ever tried this before

>>14641299
>Not at all. I hate the system pretty much. If there were an anarcho-syndicalist revolution I'd join it.
That is a nice sentiment anon. Unfortunately if you are so stupid people cant tell you from shills, you cant offer much to such a movement. Sorry

>>14641341
>you cant offer much to such a movement.
That's why I'm not starting one.

>>14641206
Its not just a fragment of the virus.
The injection itself is a cocktail of additives which may cause adverse reactions.
Then the mRNA might cause issues as well. The virus is safer since its first gonna get stuck in e.g your nose or throat where it may get fought off earlier.

>>14641931
>Then the mRNA might cause issues as well
And, what exactly does the virus do, again? It jizzes it's mRNA into your cells.
>The virus is safer since its first gonna get stuck in e.g your nose or throat where it may get fought off earlier.
How would the immune system fight it off without knowing what it looks like?

>>14641206
The vaccine is reaching the blood stream 100% of the time, the virus is not. The virus is generally eradicated within two weeks, but there's still detectable mRNA for at least two months in the vaccinated. The LNPs may pose their own risk, independent of what they're transporting.

>>14641945
>How would the immune system fight it off without knowing what it looks like?
Recent evidence points to the vaccinated testing positive for longer than the unvaccinated. Even if that wasn't the case, immunity against respiratory pathogens starts in the nose and sinuses. The vaccine isn't intended to train that portion of our immune system. There's many general defenses in the mucosa that don't need previous exposure to a given pathogen, though they'll begin developing a memory of it within the first week.

>>14635073
>dude both groups have goals and enemies so they're basically the same
How fucking stupid are you people?

>>14642141
> The virus is generally eradicated within two weeks, but there's still detectable mRNA for at least two months in the vaccinated.
The virus RNA is also detectable for weeks. That was why the PCR tests are positive long after the infection is over.
>The vaccine isn't intended to train that portion of our immune system.
Yes, that's basically the main flaw. But nasal spray vaccines could solve that, let's see.
>There's many general defenses in the mucosa that don't need previous exposure to a given pathogen, though they'll begin developing a memory of it within the first week.
So, for a week, viruses jizz into your cells, your cells make more viruses that then jizz in even more cells. How is that better than the vaccine?

>>14641299
>anarcho-syndicalist revolution
>>>/pol/386089877
>>>/pol/386078184

>All modern messianisms - Hegelianism, Marxism, positivism, Nietzscheanism, Theilhardism, holism, ecologism, multiculturalism, liberation theology, UN globalist progressivism, etc. - are ultimately based on a psychotic inversion of the perception of time: they invent a hypothetical future and take it as a categorical premise for reinterpreting the historical past, abolishing the logical relationship of the necessary and the contingent. When the future arrives and the announced divinity does not appear, be it Machiavelli's Prince, the classless society, Superman, or the reign of Gaia, the "revisions" begin that modify the meaning of the original doctrine to transfigure the vexation into nourishment for new messianic promises, which then follow one another in an inexhaustible flowering. Inexhaustible as human stupidity.

>>14641267
>are you a victim of mass surveillance or does the government care about you in particular?
yes, corporations and governments are together in this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8sqMbhDuvaE

>>14642339
>>>/pol/
Trite teenage pseud.

>>14642348
>teenage pseud
You don't even know who wrote that, he debated with dugin and won, he was an ex-communist and ate them alive

>>14642352
I find it hard to take frogposters seriously

>>14635073
I would take Bobby Fischers knowledge of the kikes over yours

>>14642356
You don't even take yourself seriously by lying to your intelligence

>>14638600
>retard who can’t write a coherent sentence
>anti-racist
I never get tired of being right

>>14638610
Kill yourself, you attention whoring namefag. No one knows or cares who you are. Fuck off and die.

>>14642720
>seething
HAHAHAHAHA feels so good knowing I ruined your day little psycho. Dont forget to calm down before your caretaker sees you seething or you are gonna be tranquilized you fucking fruit cake kek

>>14635073
Perfect response, truly excellent. You deserve an extra 50 cents for this

Completely derailed the thread with bullshit in the first post, dozens of posts of garbage going back and forth over nothing.

You really nailed the wef shill response to this study

>>14635350
Lame, gay, Jewish, reddit, cringe

>The Chad derail with an irrelevant inflammatory comment vs the virgin attempt to come up with an actual logical retort

You are a retarded faggot nigger, go get more boosters and remember to stay out of the sun

>>14641286
Reddit in a nutshell.

They vacuum up authority and corporation messages for breakfast, dinner and desert.

>>14642322
nice greentext, but that's your interpretation, which is incorrect.

>>14642922
That's literally what it says you gaslighting faggot

>>14638522
Nice try, glowie

>>14642972
No, they are not the same. their goals are different, the target is different, and they use different lingo. They are similar only in the sense that both support censorship and are authoritarian. means != goals.

>>14642325
>The virus RNA is also detectable for weeks. That was why the PCR tests are positive long after the infection is over.
Yes, weeks as a general rule, not months.

>So, for a week, viruses jizz into your cells, your cells make more viruses that then jizz in even more cells. How is that better than the vaccine?
Would you rather have your sinuses infected, or your heart? And the former will prevent future infection, the latter will only protect your organs if the infection reaches the blood stream, and you likely incurred organ damage to gain that protection.

>Yes, that's basically the main flaw. But nasal spray vaccines could solve that, let's see.
That opportunity has been lost, imo. There's not a lot of point in vaccinating when most people have been infected already (developing their mucosal immunity in the process) and the virus is mutating too fast to develop a vaccine that will be relevant to whatever variant is circulating. Plus nasal vaccines have been tricky in the past and not always efficacious. If it's not an attenuated, live vaccine, then you need an adjuvant to trigger an immune response. Attenuated seems to be more effective, but then there's the risk like with the polio vaccine where you can end up with a deattenuated infection that causes a new outbreak.

>>14642987
I said they both have goals and enemies, not that they have the same ones. The image implies they are equally as bad because they both like/dislike things, which is idiotic.

>>14643017
no you said
>so they're basically the same
which is obviously incorrect and you were called out for it.

>>14643021
Greentext implies that the person I'm replying to said it.

>>14635064
>And how does science respond?
The "science" responds by sicking their government pawns and enforcers on you.

>>14643225
Yes, but that post never implied your greentext. The greentext is your interpretation of the first reply which never really discusses the image. And the image itself points to the differences between the two groups, /pol/ and SJW, never saying that they are "basically the same". According to that table, the only thing that is the same is the means. IMO the only thing that can be challenged is that, despite /pol/ being an echo chamber, it allows for some diversity in fringe ideologies. For instance, not every /pol/ user is authoritarian and pro-censorship (libertarians are antithetical).

>>14635064