/sci/ - Science & Math

>>14628575
FTS Archive
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1KCJBL632oieD1r6JOh_5Eg9NTcf_-hH8?usp=sharing

Fuck ROSCOSMOS for what they did this week.
They should be more worried about their collapsing space agency instead of being a propaganda machine for puttin and his yes man.

>>14628590
what did they do

>>14628590
ROSCOSMOS is fucked eternally, no one is going to come to them for commercial launches, and they will get fucked ever harder when more and more commercial launch capabilities become available

>>14628590
>this week.
The OneWeb situation was the thing that was actually beyond the pale. The shit you're moaning about is peanuts comparatively

>>14628595
Showing of the new flag of the recently "liberated" region in ukraine that they bombed to the ground out of frustration becuase the ukkies didnt back down.

>>14628590
>>14628596
if you're that mad about it then think of a way to one-up them instead of just seething about it on 4chan

I wanna ride the Farquhar trajectory all the way to Mars bros

>>14628618
The russian economy is shrinking by over 1% every week, they digging their own grave, no need to "one-up" them.

>>14628590
not spaceflight
fuck off already we don't need this every thread

>>14628618
One-up them in what, how fast we can get the ISS spinning? At this rate Zambians LARPing as astronauts will get more funding than them and have more to show. Roscosmos was in terminal decline long before the war.

>uses the spaceflight thread to seethe about russia
go to /k/ if you're looking for that

>>14628646
i don't know, we took kruschev's gagarin-didn't-see-god trolling and then cracked open genesis on apollo 8 and turned it into one of the greatest moments in the history of the united states of america, there'll be chances out there

How plausible would it be to use superheavy to lift a payload larger than what could be put into starship sorta like this?

What would you need to put into space that could be this big?

>>14628656
ur mom

>>14628648
I've noticed that some posters here will bring up current events and try to tack on some vague connection to spaceflight to make it tangentially "on topic". Probably because they have no other social outlet to talk to people about these things

>>14628643
>>14628648
You're literally the "reeeeee stop talking about spaceflight politics in the spaceflight thread" fags right now.
We literally dissect every small thing around NASA&ESA spaceflight politics in these threads and talk shit about how stupid those decisions are, but somehow every since this war started you bitches cant stop whinging every time ROSCOSMOS politics come up.

>>14628659
Nah your just a newfag.

>>14628656
it will probably never be cheaper to develop an entirely new upper stage than split the cargo between launches or design it to the specs of starship to begin with

>>14628656
If you have a payload that weighs 200t it'd be a lot cheaper to build and launch two 100t payloads with docking hardware than to expend a custom upper stage.

>>14628661
>oh no they held up a flag, we must dismantle the thread now
nigga shut you ass up and tell me what you favorite mission in 1966 was

>>14628595

Russia further nationalizing its space industry

>>14628672

>>14628677
>nationalization
lmao, they're still stuck in the 20th century

>>14628672
>dismantle the thread
project much?
Because in my eyes you are the ones who are trying to ban certain spaceflight poltics in a spaceflight thread while hypocritically having no problem talking about other spaceflight politics.

>>14628656
>just add more payload, bro
Ignoring any other engineering considerations, that would decrease the TWR of Super Heavy to the point where it would be unusable.

NASA visited Starbase

July 6 0654 EDT - Equatorial Launch Australia - Black Brant IX - Arnhem, Australia - Exoplanet spectrograph sounding rocket.
July 7 0505 EDT - Russian Space Forces - Soyuz - Plesetsk, Russia - Glonass-K1 global navigation satellite.
July 7 0900 EDT - SpaceX - Falcon 9 - SLC-40, Florida - Starlink 4-21.
July 9 2000 EDT - SpaceX - Falcon 9 - Florida - Starlink 4-22.
July 10 2000 EDT - SpaceX - Falcon 9 - VSFB, California - Starlink 3-1.
July 12 0657 EDT - Equatorial Launch Australia - Black Brant IX - Arnhem, Australia - Alpha Centauri UV experiment sounding rocket.
July 13 0713 EDT - Arianespace - Vega C - French Guiana - Debut flight, LARES-2 magnetic sensing satellite.
July 13 - SpaceX - Falcon 9 - Florida - Starlink 4-25.
July 13 - SpaceX - Falcon 9 - VSFB, California - Starlink 3-2.
July 14 - SpaceX - Falcon 9 - 39A, Florida - Cargo Dragon 2, ISS commercial resupply.
July 22 - CASC - Long March 5B - Wenchang, China - Wentian laboratory module for the Chinese space station.
July - JAXA - Epsilon - Uchinoura, Japan - RAISE-3 technology demonstration payloads.
July - Rocket Lab - Electron - New Zealand - Rideshare payloads including NASA's advanced solar sail system.
July - Landspace - ZhuQue-2 - Jiaquan, China - Debut flight, first Chinese private and methalox rocket.
July - Relativity - Terran 1 - LC-16, Florida - “Good Luck, Have Fun” debut flight.

>>14628691
raptors kinda look like oversized daleks menacing the humans in the thumbnail

>>14628691
has spacex officially started on lunar starship yet? Or is that still on hold

>>14628704
They're working on it. Can't find the photo now, but NASA was posted a progress on HLS and a lift was shown in one picture.

>>14628656
I posted about this exact thing a while ago. This would only probably work if it has an expendable second stage, which goes against the point of SS. Also, the payload would need to be very large but not very heavy to be capable of leaving the ground at all

>>14628704
They won't make a functioning HLS until the design of Starship is mostly finalized but they can work on everything else.

>Outer Space Treaty: States shall not place nuclear weapons or other weapons of mass destruction in orbit or on celestial bodies or station them in outer space in any other manner;
Does this include terawatt scale lasers or are we good on that?

>>14628775
>adhering to the Outer Space Treaty
what are you some kinda hippie?

>>14628775
Weapons of mass destruction = weapon that harms large number of people at once. A laser is a very accurate pin point strike.

>>14628779
a big (>1Gw) laser can set a Dresden tier fire in a city in 10 minutes

>>14628786
Dresden was a weak city

>>14628793
It was a civilian target, that's why

>>14628603
>oh not the poor ukkies
Grow up kid

>>14628779
well Earthers aren't people, so we're good then.

>>14628793
10 GW focused onto a 10m diameter spot makes anything weak

>>14628696
The soijacks aren't necessary. The niggerinos sad face is enough

>>14628807
weak people inhabit the weak city
>>14628817
not exactly

>>14628786
Not unless you have unobtanium powering the laser for 10 minutes straight with unobtainium rejecting the heat build as well.

Frankly speaking, there's no use in wasting lasers for lighting a city on fire when they can simply be used to destroy every single military infrastructure in the world, and every single missiles.

>>14628775
the OST has no enforcement mechanisms so who gives a shit

>>14628843
It's literally a hippie document and the only reason all countries agreed to sign was because it was prohibitively difficult to access space at all and the US was ok hamstringing itself so it could hamstring USSR. now it is stupid and inconvient when access to space has increased

>>14628843
>>14628849
Just you watch, Earthers will make it their hill to die on.

>>14628849
the reason everyone signed it was because the us had sticker shock over how expensive apollo was by 1967 and if we got the soviets to sign a treaty saying they couldn't claim the moon as sovereign territory then we could cut nasa spending to pay for vietnam. the soviets were fine with a mutal nerfing of both countries' space programs because it meant they couldn't fall even further behind.

>>14628816
anon, I'm sorry
you're an earther

>>14628855
Yes

>>14628811
Ok, Ivan

What if the N1 used R-7 derived parts? And was smaller? And used Earth orbit rendezvous? The new engines seemed shite

>>14628856
wrong
I'm actually from Theia, Earth got in my way

>>14628867
you're not from theia, you've never been to theia. Lying piece of shit with your stupid theia shirt, fuck you

>>14628866
>The new engines seemed shite
the nk-33 had a god-tier TWR which wasn't surpassed until the merlin. it was literally the only good thing about the n1.

>>14628866
What if the R-7 used N1 derived parts?

What if the Saturn V was an N1?

>>14628869
Seethe while you can, Earther. Soon you'll be glassed and my planet will finally be liberated

>>14628869
Fuck YOU

>>14628880
"""th*ian""" delusions range from hilarious to ludicrous. What are you gonna do, seethe me to death?

What if the Saturn V used Juno II derived parts?

>>14628876
Why use two different types of engines for the first stage?

SpaceX good
NASA bad

>>14628885
ummmmmmmmmmm it did. are you paying any attention in class?

>>14628846
I'm waiting /sfg/

>>14628887
because they were collecting dust in a shed for 30 years or so

>>14628880
Glassing the Earth just seals you in further silly, no wonder you collided, you are retarded

>>14628888
Quadrupocts light the way

It’s interesting to see how the Soviets planned on upgrading the N1. The N1F saw improved NK-33 engines on the first and second stage. Then they planned to swap the third stage for the Hydrolox NK-43 engine. Then they’d eventually use nuclear engines on the third stage.

>>14628888
digits

>>14628887
Because it's hard to fit an NK-33 onto those small boosters and if you do manage it just just end up with something that looks a lot like an Angara 5 that's using NKs instead of RD-191s. That actually wouldn't be a terrible idea in itself but it would be diverging pretty far from something that's suppose to still look like a member of the R7 family.

>>14628888

>>14628889
based saturn a-series alt timeline anon

>>14628891
we've already peaked, please no forcing

What's the status on Capstone? Dead?

>>14628910
it resumed communications hours ago

>>14628896
Wooops I means the RD-56 engine.
The final version of the N1 would’ve had a kerosene first stage, hydrogen second, and nuclear third

>>14628911
Thanks

>>14628914
i lied

>>14628913
It takes 6 months after engine delivery to be ready for launch so 2022 is off the table

at least we know why rocketlab's stock dropped after a seemingly successful launch now

>>14628915
how could you do this...

>>14628918
they deserve to fail after launching that shitty boilerplate

>>14628915
kek, at least wait for him to buy some more $RKLB

>>14628921
i don't know i'm sorry

>>14628918
RKLB is up a lot right now. I still think it’ll fall after a while.
All space stocks are falling. Kinda funny

EARTHER (derogatory)

>>14628926
it still adds up. it fell because insiders realized something was fucky with the payload straight away and now it's back up because word is it's an issue with capstone itself and not electron/photon.

Why are there so few Electron launches?

>>14628932
f9 rideshare is cheaper and lots of smallsat payloads don't care about the orbit

>>14628925
Got a chuckle, so no worries. I hope NASA gets to hear from it soon.

>>14628931
Lol yeah. I do wonder why RKLB has fallen so much over time though despite success after success

SOMETIMES I THANK GOD
FOR UNANSWERED PRAYERS

>>14628937
it's just broader market movements mostly. when things are tanking investors need cash to make margin calls so they have to sell off their other holdings.

>>14628931
>>14628937
For reference, RKLB was at $21 in September of 2021, and $11 at the start of 2022
Not gonna lie, it is funny to see naive investors freak out about losing money.

>>14628938
If the shuttle had venturestar’s metallic TPS, that would be cool

>>14628938
So how would that abort?

>>14628952
To be fair Starship can’t abort really either

>>14628954
ok remind me again why we support this guy?

>>14628954
That's not true.

>>14628944
>If the shuttle had venturestar’s metallic TPS, that would be cool
i've read that metallic TPS only works when you have a high L/D flying fuel tank that can slow down pretty high up in the atmosphere. it's probably the single advantage of doing a hydrologgs ssto.

>>14628954
Thank goodness

>>14628960
>>14628958
It’s mostly true desu. I still think Starship will work but it has worse abort modes than the shuttle. The secret is increasing reliability. Falcon 9 is 100+ launches successfully in a row, 1000+ with Starship is reasonable

>>14628954
like it or not, more dead astronauts is a good thing. we need to normalize killing them so we can continue to innovate

>>14628954
only because it's in texas

>>14628966
hee

>>14628966
:)

>>14628966
>this is a fetus at 9 weeks. Still think abortion isn’t murder?

>>14628954
>Starship can’t abort really either
Just steal another Bono idea

im sitting here waiting for starship to be lifted
its not going to be lifted is it?

if starship can vent its fuel couldn't it do a booster-style rtls burn + ass-first reentry?

>>14628965
The other way, we have to launch rockets much more often to increase their reliability. Perfect result would be similar to a plane, no abort capability but (almost) nobody is afraid to enter it.

>>14628984
nothing ever happens
you must carry this mindset with you at all times if you want to last as a spaceflight fan without losing your mind

>>14628987
When do you think this will happen? Daily launches? Hourly? Current Falcon 9 is pretty good but it has to get better desu

Why did Terran R of all rockets get so many launch contracts lmao

>>14629005
Anyone but SpaceX

>>14629007
the funny thing is, it hurts them more going without them in the end

>>14628954
What do you mean. The Starship project seems plenty abortive to me.

>>14629005
>>14629007
SpaceX has the lowest prices and the most available capacity. Ironically, this makes other launch service providers attractive options because being able to say "Give us a great deal or we'll just go with SpaceX" puts a lot of bargaining power in the hands of the customer.

>>14629017
Nah, I doubt thats the case. OneWeb never wanted to launch on SpaceX anyway. The only reason they launched one of their sat on SpaceX was due to Russian interference.

>>14629017
>>14629022
Also, same with Bezo's satellites as well. They don't ever plan on using Musk's rockets. So they're not competing against SpaceX at all.

>>14628643
Yes we do, commieniggers should burn in hell

>>14628691
It CAN NOT be this easy in rocketry

>>14629055
starship has been in development for 15 years, it's never been easy

>>14628623
>t. based Hollister David enjoyer

>>14629057
napkin scribbles and brainstorm sessions dont count as in development. 10 years maximum for the first work on raptor

>>14629070
they bought Boca chica in 2013

>>14629075
Methane Raptor dev began in 2012, but hydrogen Raptor dev was from 2009-2012

>>14629075
elon musk was born in 1971. starship has been in development for 51 years

>>14629102
Elon Musk was born in South Africa. Starship is a legacy project passed down by the great Cecil Rhodes. Rhodes having been born on July 5, 1853, Starship has been in spiritual development for 169 years.

When will they get the launch license?

>>14629144
Artemis I plus 30 days. I've been saying this for over a year and still noone believes me.

>>14629163
What’s your reasoning? Simple corruption?

>>14629005
>Why did Terran R of all rockets get so many launch contracts lmao

Because all the bigger launch providers either have no spare capacity or like SpaceX already are providing launch services for the customer in question.

>>14629120
i thought cecil was a lion

>>14629172
Yes. The administration and NASA needs to keep the "SLS is proven technology, Starship is a crazy prototype" facade going as long as possible. As soon as Starship appears more mature and reliable than SLS thousands of congress friendly jobs will suddenly be at risk. SLS block 1B, SLS block 2, improved launch tower, gateway, etc. These programs are allocated billions of dollars of R&D over the next ten years.

Chris Limbach - Phenomenology, Capabilities of Mutually Guided Laser & Neutral Particle Beams for Deep Space Propulsion
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0f-7CmZ_0U

>>14629120
>AZ quotes
Wtf does that have to do with Arizona?

>>14629210
old space is a complete scam

Where is CAPSTONE?
Is it safe? Is it alright?

>>14628673
Who took the photo? There’s only three Russians onboard

>>14629337
Intermittent signal detected? Maybe it's tumbling

>>14629371
HOORAY!

>>14629360
Listen, I'm going to cut off all your toes. This is going to be better for both of us.

>>14629368
They have fixed cameras all over the station

>>14629375
Why do you want tranny toes? Explain yourself

>>14629337
NASA Ames just tweeted this:
https://twitter.com/NASAAmes/status/1544475603080019969
>MISSION UPDATE: Teams continue working to resolve #CAPSTONE's communication issues. Operators determined an approx. position and velocity from initial contact with ground stations, but the spacecraft's 1st trajectory correction maneuver has been delayed: https://go.nasa.gov/3yM13LO

A bit more detailed post form Advanced Space:
https://advancedspace.com/capstone-mission-05-july-2022-update/
>Spacecraft was deployed successfully from the launch vehicle.
>Spacecraft successfully deployed solar arrays, achieved three-axis stabilization, and entered a battery charging mode.
>Spacecraft successfully executed Earth-pointing mode, communicated with DSN stations in Madrid Spain and the operations team began check-out and commissioning of the spacecraft.
>The operations team was able to determine spacecraft state (position and velocity) and design initial trajectory correction maneuver.
>Propulsion system was commissioned and prepared for the first trajectory correction maneuver.

>>14629368
Russian sleeper agent

>>14629386
>>Spacecraft successfully deployed solar arrays, achieved three-axis stabilization, and entered a battery charging mode.
well that's good news at least

>>14629386
There was some speculation that the sun might have something to do with it

Decent-sized CME a few days ago narrowly missed Earth but still might have had an impact

>>14629393
Sounds interesting but wouldn't other satellites around the moon have issues too?

>>14629393
>>14629386

I'll tell you what happened: photon fucking exploded. Yes, you heard me right, EXPLODED. And no, there's nothing left and we don't even know how this happened. There was no thermal telemetry leading up

JPL bros, we got too damn cocky

>>14629402
Verification not needed.

>>14629403
CLPS was a Trump Admin scam all along

>>14629402
Except Rocket Lab tweeted it's healthy, still in contact and has a lot of prop left over for a secondary mission

>>14629415
It should be sent into NRHO then.

>>14629385
Old gypsy women pay in gold bullion for toe and finger bones, and they don't ask questions

>>14629144
When is Elon basterd going to clad the launch tower and decorate it with neon lights? That should be top priority for the orbital launch, millions will watch it live.

>>14629403
if viper cant launch on rocket lab now, who else can they launch in?
>>14629415
it appeared healthy maybe but then there was an incredible explosion, per anon

>>14629424
The world's largest stripper pole...

Pulsed Plasma Rocket - Developing a Dynamic Fission Process
> the PPR achieves these plasma bursts via a fission-based system, wherein a highly moderated fuel projectile is propelled through a uranium barrel to reach supercriticality. The barrel and projectile material architecture results in much higher energy deposition in the projectile than in the barrel. After experiencing significant fission events, the projectile changes from a solid to a plasma over a period of a few microseconds, and is expelled through a magnetic nozzle
>Neutronics modeling has determined the projectile constituents to include a high-assay low enriched uranium water-ice mix encased in a thin iron shell. Control drums generate a pulse of extreme supercriticality by rotating at different rates to create a Fourier series delta function which flashes the projectile into an ionized plasma at the end of the barrel. With the combined use of a coilgun as the initial propellant injector and a magnetic coil and nozzle for exhaust, the projectile is able to produce a thrust of roughly 100 kN with an Isp of 5,000s.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8erIJCoO2o
would you ride a demon core drive /sfg/?

how long until we get pics from this

>>14629429
IDK, but ive been wondering, how much toilet paper will we need on roundtrip to mars?

>>14629429
Isn't this just a NSW engine with extra steps?

Is anyone else worried of Starship nuking the launch site?

>>14629425
>Rocket Lab
Kek, it will be on a Falcon Heavy.

>>14629435
Nah, the launch site can handle it

>>14629435
>worried
Wrong verb for me bruh

>>14629435
I dunno, maybe we should ask the NTSB to fund a study of methalox explosions to find out

>>14629429
>would you ride a demon core drive /sfg/?
only if a mexican is operating it with a screwdriver

>>14629435
I literally cant sleep without wetting the bed

>>14629430
One week.

>>14629422
/sfg/ and /pmg/ linked up?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsfyp8S-pLg
So.. in the meantime ARCA built a spaceplane

>>14629459
No fucking way....that's honestly incredible

>>14629459
A spaceplane model

>>14629432
its pulsed propulsion not continuous flow, a modernized Orion

>>14629459
legitimately cackling
I long for the day they try to launch a rocket and it doesn't even hit Mad Mike's Wild Ride altitude.

>>14629475
anon you're not gonna believe this...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUatAKOtluc

>>14629216
Can't use an inflatable mirror with a PROCSIMA. It'd be a brick of tungsten as a pusher plate.

What if we use fusion bombs instead of fission ones for Orion-style propulsion?

>>14629454
I literally cant sleep without grinding my starship pillow

>>14629518
Elon dakis when

>>14629496
Did they claim an altitude for this test? Mike got to 1,875 feet on the ride that he survived, but strangely I can't find any estimates for the one that killed him.

>>14629526
–6 feet

https://www.rocketlabusa.com/updates/rocket-lab-to-launch-responsive-space-missions-for-national-reconnaissance-office/
>Launching from Rocket Lab Launch Complex 1 on two Electron rockets, Rocket Lab is scheduled to deploy satellites to space for the NRO within only 10 days of each other. NROL-162 (“Wise One Looks Ahead”) will launch from Rocket Lab Launch Complex 1’s Pad A no earlier than July 12, with NROL-199 (“Antipodean Adventure”) scheduled to launch from Pad B no earlier than July 22.

>>14629521
now

>>14629529
I was about to call Peter beck ugly when I realized my wife said I look like him

>>14629532
where's the horse?

>>14629526
He was aiming for 5000 feet, and the rocket apparently performed well enough to reach a ballistic trajectory (the parachute ripped off the rocket at launch so it was an uncontrolled descent).

https://twitter.com/justindchapman/status/1231336002175717376
I'd have to some back of an envelope calculations based on how much of an angle the camera has to pan up to catch it in the middle of the frame at the peak of its trajectory, but judging by the cloud ceiling he didn't reach half that

When are we getting that god damn flight license

>>14629429
>HALEU mini Orion without any of the retarded failure modes of classical NTP
Honestly this looks like a fantastic way to do initial manned surveys of the main belt, Jupiter, and Saturn, and to haul out nuclear powered laser stations to allow for civilian laser thermal transportation.

>>14629512
it'd just make the charges more complicated to build and the exhaust velocity from a fusion bomb isn't markedly different from a fission bomb

>>14629496
>It immediately starts falling hard once the thrust cuts out
lmao how heavy is it?

>>14629435
No, I’m worried about super heavy nuking the launch site

>>14629539
Well, the question is then how high Arca's rocket got. Frustrating that they got so many camera angles and not a single one follows it from ground to cutoff.

>>14629551
just watching the video i doubt it got over 1000 feet

>>14629562
meant for
>>14629558

WHERE IS THE AMERICAN FLAG ON SN24
EVERY AMERICAN ROCKET IN HISTORY HAS HAD THE STARS AND STRIPES ON IT

woah
why did no one tell me that starlink got fcc approval for mobile base stations
dishy must be pissed

>>14629576
It's still a prototype, the flag will go on the finished product.

>>14629576
It's simple. SpaceX != USA

Does the black paint they are adding have any anti heat functionality or is it just to break up the edged and unfinished look of the heat tiles?

>>14629576
The current administration hates SpaceX and especially Starship

>>14629592
I don't know but either way I don't like it.

>>14629425
By the time VIPER will be ready New Glenn will have been unironically flying for some time. Remember: the only thing slower than BO is Artemis

>>14629559
is this from a game? ground textures are atrocious

>>14629611
That's just Texas.

>>14629576
Starship needs to have
>U
>N
>I
>T
>E
>D
>
>S
>T
>A
>T
>E
>S
written on the side of it

>>14629629
Imagine the salt if it just said

T
E
X
A
S

>>14629632
or

T
R
U
M
P

>>14629635
No that one needs to be reserved for one of the HLS ships

Is orbital assembly legit?

Been thinking of this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-XlWP4Q4Ds

>>14629639
I don't see any large scale construction in orbit outside the ISS and Chinese stations, do you?

>>14629635
kek

>>14629639
Are you asking if the process of constructing something in space is a viable strategy?

>>14629639
All they have available are computer graphics.

>>14629639
debunked already
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4oUTmBk1iZ4

>>14629664
>thunderf00t
Ah, one of the modern age """skeptics""". How wrong was he about SpaceX again?

>>14629670
you need a log scale and a vertical monitor to express that

>>14629639
They're right about the need for investment in spin-grav, but those cranks have no chance in hell of putting anything into orbit.

>>14629670
Well you see, it's basically a very large redstone rocket that runs on methane.

since we have nearly as many big gemini fetishists in /sfg/ as we have furries this is for you:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvPfdvRVyH4

>>14629729
there's no way he said that

>>14629778
one can be both

traveling to barbados to see the only surviving babylon gun. i will 3d scan it for my startup shooting raw materials up to my orbital shipyard. see you all in 20 years

>>14629809
mossad will be seeing you in 20 minutes

>>14629778
God, I love Big Gemini so much

lol

>>14629841
What is this devian art knockoff of a peanuts art style

>>14629841
Standing there alone
The ship is waiting
All systems are go
"Are you sure?"
Control is not convinced
But the computer
Has the evidence
No need to abort
The countdown starts

Watching in a trance
The crew is certain
Nothing left to chance
All is working
Trying to relax
Up in the capsule
"Send me up a drink"
Jokes Major Tom
The count goes on

Four, three, two, one
Earth below us
Drifting, falling
Floating weightless
Calling, calling home

Second stage is cut
We're now in orbit
Stabilizers up
Running perfect
Starting to collect
Requested data
"What will it affect
When all is done?"
Thinks Major Tom

Back at ground control
There is a problem
"Go to rockets full"
Not responding
"Hello, Major Tom
Are you receiving?
Turn the thrusters on
We're standing by"
There's no reply

Four, three, two, one
Earth below us
Drifting, falling
Floating weightless
Calling, calling home

Across the stratosphere
A final message
"Give my wife my love"
Then nothing more

Far beneath the ship
The world is mourning
They don't realize
He's alive
No one understands
But Major Tom sees
"Now the light commands
This is my home
I'm coming home"

Earth below us
Drifting, falling
Floating weightless
Coming home

Earth below us
Drifting, falling
Floating weightless
Coming home

Earth below us
Drifting, falling
Floating weightless
Coming, coming
Home
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another day another no interview part 4 or static fire or orbital test

>>14629870
Another day closer to these events taking place.

>>14629872
Gotta say, the exposed steel side of the rocket actually looks a lot smoother than S20 did in this lighting. Still pretty janky, but this is still only the first actual orbital prototype, I'm sure construction techniques will improve a lot more once they start building the starships in the new factory they're constructing.

>>14629576
>>14629629
Right idea, wrong flag.
>>14629632
This anon understands.

So let me get this straight, they did exactly zero work on the still unfinshed tiling while the ship was in the high bay?

>>14629897
They're gonna end up blasting off a bunch of tiles with the static fire(s), so it doesn't hurt too much to wait.

Anon, I see you tried a /pol/ thread with info from here. You were swarmed with Schizos almost instantly, and what appears to be Thunderf00t himself. That should be enough reason to stay away from there.

>>14629841
that's so incredibly mean
if muskrat wasn't called that "musk rat", everyone would love them
they are like tiny beavers

>>14628581
Found more newspapers from the 60's I'll share a few, more will pop up in the archive over time


6548 km/h

X-15 Flies ever faster (11.11.1961)

The X-15 rocket plane reached a new world record last thursday, the speed of 6548 km an hour. Only soviet and american space pilots have gone faster. Joe Walker held the previous X15 record, 6252 km/h. In thursday's flight the plane's speed was over six times greater than that of the speed of sound. The flight was made after tests lasting nearly three years.
X-15's pilot, major Robert White reached the record at a height of 28,950 meters. When he let the craft climb to 30,500 meters, the right side of the cockpit's windshield cracked. Luckily the left side of the windshield endured the pressure, and major White could guide the plane down and make a successful landing.
The X-15 has also achieved the aeroplane height record. Mid last month major White flew the plane to a height of 65,532 meters.

>>14629897
It's not so easy in flooring.

>>14629791
Redstone was just V2 running on jet fuel

>>14629496
what's with the black thingy that keeps going up

>>14629791
Not verbatim, but more or less. He should stick to chemistry and not of the rocket fuel kind.

>>14629629
Holy shit that's based.

Why did NASA become so shit?

>>14629951
Mariner 4's first image of Mars.

Mariner's first (17.7.1965)

Many details in the first image of Mars transmitted by the Mariner spacecraft were still a mystery to scientists last friday. Although Mariner sent two other images over the course of last friday, the scientists were so exhausted from decoding the first signals that the other images have not yet been developed.
In the first image, which has seven vertical defect lines due to some radio signals not being received, you can clearly see the Amazonis' salmon red desert in the very middle of the image. There is a very bright spot in the middle, but around the edges Mars' feature darken somewhat.
'You can clearly see that it's Mars', head of program dr. Robert Leighton says. He paid very close mind to the many "smudges" on the image, which he says may very well be a part of the planet itself.
Footage sent by Mariner shows that Mars' atmosphere is so tenuous that it might significantly hinder the americans' attempts to land an unmanned research vessel on its surface in 1971, american scientists say.
Data gathered by the probe suggests Mars to be an extremely hostile place for humans. Its conditions are similar of those which are found 80 kilometers above the sea, said William Pickering, head of the Jet Propulsion Laboratories.

>>14628697
>more rockets will be launched from Australia than Russia this month
oh how the mighty have fallen

>>14629985
They cancelled nuclear rockets and used the money to make the shuttle

>>14629995
Well they are in a war currently, I doubt that Roskosmos is exactly very high on Russia's priority list at the moment.
Although we also haven't seen anything launch from Ukraine in like 8 years now

why is berger chimping out over this

>>14629120
I still want a Rhodes Colossus but it's Musk with his left foot on Earth, right foot on Mars, and holding a sting of Starships instead of a telegraph line. Maybe a Falcon 9 slung across his side as well.

>>14629163
I believe, anon

>>14630027
>Well they are in a war currently
>war
*special military operation, tovarisch

>>14630054
Кoнeчнo, мoя oшибкa

>>14629210
They don't, you're delusional, they don't give a shit about SLS' already atrocious reputation, falcon heavy already renders it useless for Artemis and they don't care about that either, all they care about is jobs.

Is Ukraine's space agency potentially the most fucked and cucked on earth?

>budget of 80 million (2019)
>no own spaceports, sea launch was a failure and they need to buy launch positions in Baikonur from Russia
>all planned rockets are shelved indefinitely
>last launch was in 2017 (Zenit-3SLB)
>future launches looking bleak due to potentially no access to Baikonur
>only saving graces are Antares (on its way out) and Vega-C

>>14630035
Don’t do this…don’t cause trouble

>>14630084
Kind of sad but a lot isn’t their fault. There was supposed to be a resurgence of Ukrainian space launchers but then a special military operation to deNazify Ukraine occurred

>>14630035
Why are those mongols chimping out on ISS?

>>14630090
If Russia manages to eventually push into the Dnipropetrovsk area, they could potentially completely dismantle or ransack Yuzhmash, leaving Ukraine without a backbone to their space agency, and ESA would lose their RD-843's. That might create a push for the M-10 development.

>>14630035
The Russians are holding the flag of a Russian-occupied area in a sovereign nation as a show of support for the war. They also had a speech or something which cemented that the cosmonauts are in on this too.
This would be like American astronauts on the ISS holding up the flag of a US-backed regime in Iraq after invading on false pretenses (WMDs vs Russia’s denazification). It’s a shitty thing to do, especially on the ISS.

>>14630091
Russians are simultaneously the most badass people on earth and also the most retarded and selfish

https://www.spiegel.de/international/nasa-administrator-bill-nelson-you-need-both-russians-and-americans-to-operate-the-space-station-a-1c5f4b2c-90aa-4290-a442-f519dadf317e

>>14630097
It’s definitely a shame but I can’t believe ESA trusted Russia, or Ukraine’s safety, enough to have some of their flagship programmes rely on stuff there.
Also I’m sure Ukraine falls eventually but I’m incredibly proud of them for putting up a good fight.

>>14630102
Not gonna lie, it’s nice Bill is taking the high road, but who the fuck trusts Russians? We don’t need the ISS at this point anyways. Artemis is pretty much here, and SpaceX commercial flights are ongoing.

>>14630105
I think Vega will be fine for a few years, they got some of their engines already.
ESA trusting Russia made sense, although in hindsight the shuttle's boosters seemed like an ok idea. Hindsight is always 20/20.
ESA saved massive amounts of money just by letting the Russians do some parts of missions, Europe hasn't had a Soyuz-class rocket since Ariane 4

>>14630108
Everybody would be better if Ukraine joined EU and ESA years ago. ESA would have a lighter alternative to Ariane and Yuzhmash would have money.
Now their only big launcher is Ariane, then Avio with their Vega rockets but at least there are finally some emerging private companies, like Isar or RFA.

>>14630097
>If Russia manages to eventually push into the Dnipropetrovsk area
>If
It took them 4 months to advance 20km. At this rate going from Severodonetsk to Dnipro, they'd be in Dnipro by approximately winter 2026.

Something tells me Yuzhmash will be safe.

>>14630035
did they do this on the 4th? If yes that's funny lel

>>14630128
>Everybody would be better
yeah, except, you know...

>>14630149
Yuzhmash is already in range of Russian missile attacks, it's just not high priority enough to focus missiles there.
The Ukranian military has already shown their worries about the war extending to winter time, where the ground hardens and terrain is easier to traverse. By wintertime Ukraine would be running low on artillery ammunition, since European countries haven't really been focusing on mass production of armaments or shells. This is where Russia has their main advantage.

>US backed coup in the country where ROSCOSMOS launches its rockets
i sleep
>ruski boys hold up a flag
real shit

new russian dazzler to interfere with spy sats
https://www.thespacereview.com/article/4416/1

>>14630160
*shines a laser pointer in your eyes while you're making a penalty kick*
nothing personnel, kid

>>14630160
is that fucking skylab?

>>14630156
>Yuzhmash is already in range of Russian missile attacks
The entire country is in range of missile attack, but accuracy of Russia's remaining stocks are questionable at best (see: various shopping malls, civilian rail stations, apartment blocks, etc. that have been destroyed because the KH-22 is intended for nuking carrier groups at sea, rather than precision targeting of factories)

>By wintertime Ukraine would be running low on artillery ammunition, since European countries haven't really been focusing on mass production of armaments or shells. This is where Russia has their main advantage.
Russia has been losing at least one ammo depot a day for the last couple of weeks, putting pressure on their already overstrained and underequipped logistics systems (allegedly all of this is due to the handful of HIMARS that Ukraine has received but there's no confirmation on that). I'd be wondering how many more ammo dumps they can afford to lose. The arty is their only real advantage, having already shown themselves incapable of modern ground warfare and having lost most of their modernised vehicles.

I'm not saying it'll be easy for Ukraine, I get the feeling this'll devolve into a frozen war and they won't get Donbabwe and Luganda back for a long time, if ever. But it's not all doom and gloom either.

>>14630164
kek it is

>>14630165
I mean some of the earlier KH-55SM cruise missiles used in the first offensive, relatively accurate for extremely long distances

>>14630170
I don't think they have any left to spare, otherwise they'd be using them, likewise with the Kaliber. Any that they do have left are probably kept aside for national defense.

Interesting aside, iirc the turbojet engine for them (or at least for the Kh-55) was made in Ukraine, so they're genuinely irreplacable weapons.

>>14630160
>The lidar is officially called the "Laser Optical Locator"
>LOL
New call sign is LOL LMAO, standing for "Laser Optical Locator" (Лaзepный Oптичecкий Лoкaтop), and "Laser based Multichannel Automated Weapon" (Лaзepнoe Mнoгoкaнaльнoe Aвтoмaтичecкoe Opyжиe)

imagine it blinds some US military sat in the sky and the only explanatoin russia gives is we used the "LOL, LMAO"

>>14630173
I think they're saving them for bigger targets, cruise missiles are kind of a shit weapon system due to their massive cost, added with the fact that its a single-use weapon system.
Reusable cruise missiles when?

I wish we lived in a world where Russia joined NATO after the USSR fell in 1991 and they became everyone’s best friend. Look at Japan now, considering the insane shit they did in WWII. All I’m saying is Russia’s fall from grace is sad. All of the optimist from the fall of the USSR is gone.

For All Mankind has a cool concept, but the world building is retarded

Do we know what the flight profile of Starship is going to be? When the MECO happens, separation, etc.

>>14630206
We have a potentially outdated timeline from the FCC from last year.
> https://apps.fcc.gov/els/GetAtt.html?id=273481

>>14630101
>This would be like American astronauts on the ISS holding up the flag of a US-backed regime in Iraq after invading on false pretenses (WMDs vs Russia’s denazification). It’s a shitty thing to do, especially on the ISS.
based comparison

>>14629938
anon that was the schizo replying to himself
he does it once a week

>>14629938
space threads on /pol/ are fun because the schizos get so riled up that the threads almost always reach bump limit

>>14630267
>That one guy who always posts the same links to "documentaries" about Apollo being fake and the earth being flat
>Those guys who always post ISS footage showing "cables" and "air bubbles"
>That one dude who thinks the Earth is CGI
>Those other guys who post the out of context comments about not being able to go to the moon
>That one retard who always brings up the Van Allen belt
>The "mars footage and pictures are actually in New Mexico" schizo
>The Jews control the globe by worshipping Saturn guys

Did I miss any?

>>14629938
>find /pol/ thread
>see the expected
>find out Musk apparently has a son named Griffin
I guess Musk has been on a slow decline of naming his kids crazier and crazier things for a long time.

>>14628934
How many cubesats could falcon9 launch at once? I was also wondering what rocket would have best 1U to $ ratio, some smaller rocket or maybe even bigger? (assuming that payload fairing is filled to the brim, or weight maxed out)

>>14630281
why do you browse /pol/ schizo threads often enough to become familiar with their posters?

>>14630296
It's not so much that I seek them out as they find me. They are on /gif/, /g/, /tv/, /x/, /wsg/, /pol/, and of course /sci/.

I think we maybe view the space 'depression' of the 80s-10s the wrong way.
I think that really Apollo was exceptional and wild and only possible thanks to very specific historical circumstances.
The boring era through the 90s and 2000s was actually probably more representative of where the technology and incentives were at.
The current space boom now is based on a much more solid foundation IMO, it's less of a solution looking for a problem.

>>14630291
At least he didn't name him Griffith

>>14629632
>make ksp mod
>call it Texas space program
>Tory Bruno is a president
>you start by launching rats and chickens using fireworks
>extract methane from cow farts
Unironically that wouldn't be that hard, if there was some easy way to make dialogs and text prompts using mod and some features...

>>14629809
pour one out for our homie

>>14630334
looking at the thumbnail I thought it was the space shuttle

reminder starship is the size of a small boat. we need orbital shipyards to build real spaceships.

>>14630291
After Hours is Elons favourite film, its a homage

>>14630102
>Spiegel.de
G E R M A N Y

so which one is getting the overpressurization event today?

>>14630405
It will be B7, if anything.

>starship is black and silver
>space force's official colors are black and silver
hmmmmm

BROS

>>14630434
i can't imagine the sort of person who would be autistic enough to be interested in spaceflight but also retarded enough to fall for clickbait like this

>>14630434
that's not the plan, this is

>>14630434
People always say these are bot-generated videos but are they really generated by bots or just thrown together by spam farms in India?

>>14630461
Has Musk ever talked about a FH for Starship? I know it would never happen but I am curious if they did any simulations to see just how bad the vibrations would be, and so on.

>>14630461
>not wide
PATHETIC

>>14630160

I wonder why Capstone's comm problem didn't come up in testing?

>>14630499
He hates triples core systems and vowed never to do it again. The complexity is annoying.

Gigaheavy will almost certainly just be an 18m superheavy variant with a nuclear reactor with some sort of advanced engines replacing the rapVacs

>>14630558
Guaranteed to make a hundred antinuke hippies heads explode every launch or your money back

>>14630468
The pajeets are needed for the call centers so granny knows its microsoff support calling for her credit card info
Videos are all bots, and could be by chinks instead of poos

>>14630434

>>14630514
of course some retard had to add captions

>>14630583
That's not all, the retard badly scaled it up first too.

Pad closure in 1 hour

>>14630558
Zero percent chance of nuclear first stage.
Starship maybe, but it would only be for ones that wouldn't be returning to Earth.

>>14630468
ironically most of the bots are programmed and run by Indian spamware peddlers, so yes

the wild part is that most of the viewers are bots too. Artificially generated content for artificial viewers, all run by an algorithm seeking to optimize non-human engagement.

the only actual human in the equation is the advertising exec who is too much of a boomer to smell when he's being scammed

>>14630514
>>14630586
So, Anon... why children?

>>14630588
those tiles are embarrassing

PAD CLOSURE ANNOUNCEMENT

>>14630613
>doesn't know how to a repost by the filename
go back

>>14630588
AW SWEET EVEN MORE CRYOPROOFS I CAN'T WA-ZZZZzzzzzzzzzzz

>>14630434
>Starship is 9m wide
>new one is 3x wider
>which is 80m

>>14630623
its not, today is static fire

>>14630636
No overpressure=can't be static fire

>>14630636
nevermind there wasnt a notice to residents. strange about the pressure notice though.

>>14630616
I think they gave up on tiles.

>>14630102
>There's only one rocket that's ready to launch: our SLS. And the Orion space capsule at its tip is also the only vehicle in which the crew can survive the return to Earth. At some point, Elon Musk would like to be able to do the same with his Starship. But we have to deal with the practical here and now.
Kek, SLS is real 2.0. He's not wrong and it's far easier to make that statement now, but still funny.

>>14630558
>>14630578

>there's still a test tank
that's probably what's going to be tested today
fuck it. i'm out.

SpaceX learned that it's not that easy in rocketry

one day it will be easy

how I poast on /sfg/

It's finally easy.

one small redeem for a pooloo, one giant redeem for pookind

>>14630588
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhJRzQsLZGg

Pad is closed, we're now waiting

>>14629897
What's with the large gaps between the tiles between the nose and the fuel section? Is it expected for the two sets of tiles to blunt the shock from reentry?

Are these tiles? Why would they bevel them?

2Fast2Furious: Orbital Drift

>>14630747
No one knows what they are

>>14630747
New prototype? Maybe studded Starship will be more heat resistant, idk.

WE WENT

>>14630747
sensors and communications

Its time to scrap Elons confidence trick and build Shuttle 2.0

>>14630747
honestly it looks cosmetic
maybe they're already planning for the livestream and want to use them as a visual aid

Attention Orbital Pad: Loud Venting From Booster for the next 30 minutes

Dr. Zubrin, I'm NASA

>>14630783
Isn't this the shuttle they used in Armageddon

https://twitter.com/AdvancedSpace/status/1544704660191465473
>We have re-established communications with CAPSTONE.
>The spacecraft is looking happy and healthy.

>More details to come.

>>14630807
>They'll be expecting one of us in the RUD, captain

>>14630811
Sweet

>>14630811
Yeah we knew

Vega-C launch delayed to July 13th, sorry solid fuel fans

>>14630808
no that was much uglier than this beauty

>>14630823
remind me again why they needed the hydrogen tank?

hey yall! how we doin? i heard there was a cryo test today. rock on!!

>>14630825
In a perfect world the SSMEs would have been on the external tank, since they're useless after launch

It would have required the tank to be reusable though, so they put it on the shuttle to reuse them in future launches

>>14630811
doomerbros this cant be happening

>>14628913
>no nozzle

>>14630808
Nah, those were secret military shuttles that carried SRBs all the way to orbit for burning to the asteroid.

>>14630811
The comm antenna must have gotten hit with charged particles.

>>14630746
Those tiles have simply not been installed yet.

>>14630836
It's below. They're on an elevated working area.

>>14630723
>not using mobile starlink with a dish on your head

>>14630101
i mean most of the donbas people support the russians anyways. other provinces of ukraine maybe not, but the donbas has always been very pro russia

>>14630746
Those are where the "home plate" tiles go in the sections where tile pitch changes.

>>14630305
Why do you try to look at space related content on a porn board

>>14630887
I don't. There are sometimes space threads on there.

>>14630558
nuclear engines actually work against spacex's goal of optimizing cost/tonne to the surface of mars, so no, that won't be happening.

Oh my God I am so fucking bored.

>>14630879
Maybe before the invasion, but it takes a special kind of retard to support the russia even after five months of russians shelling every village, and shooting at anything that moves, just to push the Ukrainian army from Donbas.

so kino...

>>14629360
Imagine the smell

>>14630915
I wonder why after all the work done on the HL-20 and HL-42 NASA decided to go for a different shaped lifting body for their planned crew return vehicle

its tubin' time

>>14630901
Go work on your bucket list anon. Starship could launch, fly, land, and pop champagne then you'd be bored again after discussion has dried up the next day.

>>14630946
fulfillment cylinders, jeff's dream...

why did you kill me, I could have gone to Uranus ;_;

>>14630912
Look at what the Ukrainian military did in the donbas for 8 years before that, idiot. Obviously the central and western regions of ukraine hate russia, but the donbas region doesn't forget what happened over the past 8 years.

>>14630946
What are the gaps supposed to be?

>>14628913
>random black man for reasons.
It wouldn't have looked so intentional if they didn't do it in multiple pictures.

>>14630953
ONLY SHOOTIN STAAAAAAWRRRSSSS BREEEEAAAAAAAK THAAAAAHH MMOOOOOAAAAWWWHHHHHLLLD

>>14630514
Why is it always children anon?

>>14630995
Okay, pedo.

>>14630953
No, you couldn't. You could have managed to perform the escape burn to Uranus and would have arrived with zero maneuvering fuel left. What exactly are you going to do at Uranus if you can't perform any more maneuvers?

>>14631011
A quick vague flyby is better than the nothing that is currently planned for Uranus exploration

>>14631011
You know what would have happened, anon. He would have crashed right into Uranus with maximum force.