/sci/ - Science & Math

Anon, you should be googling this stuff. People on this board shouldn't have to spoon feed you information on this guy. Besides, the responses you'll get will likely be a bunch of made up schizo shit that has no backing.

A while ago there was a thread about the brain capacity of young children compared to adults in regards to learning new things. Children are able to learn stuff much faster. An example from chess world was brought up where an anon pointed out that people who learn chess at a very young age have much more advantage even to the point that adults would not be even able to get the same scores at chess.

That got me thinking that maybe anyone would be capable of doing exactly what Ramanujan did because of the fact that Ramanujan was learning high-level stuff at a young age. He was learning stuff that was not meant for his age. Maybe that has something to do with that increased brain power of young children compared to adults.

>>14623836
He read a book.

Ramanujan was the forerunner of all ancient and modern Mathematics. Euclids elements? Ramanujan. Calculus and analysis? Ramanujan. Number theory? Ramanujan. Differential geometry? Ramanujan. Any field of Mathematics? Ramanujan. All other mathematicians you read about in history were phonies and thieves who tried to capitalize off of Ramanujans work. Ramanujan is the greatest mathematician whoever lived and is why India will reign the Supreme country of the world.

>>14623870
>smelly indian who shits in the street.

>>14623836
He was bored, free time out his ass, thought maths was the way to white man power and money. He was wrong, that why he looks angry in that pic, he realised he learnt a load of bullshit for no reason.

>>14623870
>and is why India will reign the Supreme country of the world.
So this is what the whole post was about

>>14623836
He said that his Devi was telling him everything. It's supposedly not a dirty but a device made of pure energy, made for a specific thing like nathematics. Watch Sadhguru's explanation of Devi on YT. If this is true, then it's the answer to your first question.

>>14623860
He definitely had that autistic drive and motivation to study all day every day, but what IS talent? I suspect that his brain must have just came out by default hardwired differently, more receptive to logical analysis and absorbs knowledge easier even than other people.

>An example from chess world was brought up where an anon pointed out that people who learn chess at a very young age have much more advantage even to the point that adults would not be even able to get the same scores at chess.
You're 100% right. I've seen the same happen in my own domains. I saw someone mention that him having no formal education was actually an advantage because it forced him to focus more so on raw intuition instead of rote memorization skills which, when he eventually did get the resources to train hard in mathematics, he BTFOd everyone else because that intuition was so keenly developed.

>>14623856
I'm sorry. I've already read as much as I could about him, the problem is they just say WHO and WHAT he was ... not WHY. WHY is he talented? WHY are people talented? WHAT is talent? I find that people on 4chan have the most unique and thought provoking perspectives on many things in life, this included. Thank you though, I'll just have to research harder.

>>14623883
Yeah, his revelations would come to him in dreams, but dreams are just the minds way of processing our thoughts and subconscious. He was deeply religious, and since his Hindu idols were so important to him, it makes sense to me that his brain delivered the connections of his hard work in the form of being presented by a Hindu deity. If he were Christian or something, maybe an arch angel would have presented it to him. I'm not an Atheist btw.

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>>14623894
>You're 100% right. I've seen the same happen in my own domains. I saw someone mention that him having no formal education was actually an advantage because it forced him to focus more so on raw intuition instead of rote memorization skills which, when he eventually did get the resources to train hard in mathematics, he BTFOd everyone else because that intuition was so keenly developed.
This is exactly right. Imagine you knew nothing about math but you had to solve some problem involving right triangles for example. I would invent the Pythagorean theorem just by accident without even knowing that that was a thing. That's what Ramanujan was doing but in steroids.

>>14623894
>You're 100% right. I've seen the same happen in my own domains. I saw someone mention that him having no formal education was actually an advantage because it forced him to focus more so on raw intuition instead of rote memorization skills which, when he eventually did get the resources to train hard in mathematics, he BTFOd everyone else because that intuition was so keenly developed.

This is exactly right. Imagine that you knew nothing about math but you had to solve some problem involving right triangles for instance. You might invent the Pythagorean theorem by accident without even knowing that it was a thing. That's what Ramanujan was doing but in steroids.

>>14623928
>>14623933
Interesting. I'm not particularly smart and I've had similar things happen with basic psychology concepts that turns out to have already been thought of or existed

So, how do you train intuition and fluid intelligence? How much of that is "natural talent", its a well established fact that intelligence (at least in IQ scores) is mostly hereditary. Teaching kids critical thinking would be a great start, but what about us adults who have already developed, less plastic brains than children?

>>14623958
You train it by figuring stuff out by yourself. Don't open a textbook, just figure it out. Here is a great video that talks about this exact way of thinking. An example where you have some crazy problem that at first glance seems impossible to solve.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkmNXy7er84

>>14623986
But isn't intuition and fluid intelligence acting on gained knowledge? Although Ramanujan was an intuitive genius, he had the knowledge foundation from his tutors and the various textbooks he read. In some cases depending on the field it could literally be impossible to "figure" it out without any pretext knowledge. Really good vid btw

>>14623860
Do you think it's possible to gain that child like learning capacity by taking deferoxamine?

>>14623860
>A while ago there was a thread about the brain capacity of young children compared to adults in regards to learning new things.
Over the years it became popular to state that adults are better at learning than children, which from a certain angle is true, yet it's pretty obvious that children ingrain what they learn much better than adults. Languages, musical instruments, chess, sports, all require starting from an early age to reach mastery. There's very few adults that have bucked the trend.

>>14624006
>deferoxamine
are you concerned about heavy metal toxicity...?

>>14623872
>>14623870
>>14623878
Don't get side tracked by a reverse troll

>>14624001
The problem about gained knowledge is that you might end up abusing it in a picrelated sort of way. And you might end up making things overly complicated. In Wikipedia it says Ramanujan actually re-discovered some advanced math formulas and things that nobody had taught him. I mean, he could have learned them from a textbook but what if he came up with some insight that didn't exist yet. That's the point

>how are some people geniuses
They're built different? What kind of answer are you expecting?

>>14624021
No, there's a schizoid on /sci who takes that stuff intranasaly and has reported cognitive benefits. Apparently he claims that neuronal activity overtimr results in a build up of excess iron in the brain, so the dfo effectively removes this iron and consequently makes our brain work more efficiently
>studies show iron build up in the hippocampus leads to cognitive decline

>>14623860
Isn't this common knowledge?

>>14624029
would you be able to detect that iron build up through a blood test? If theres a lot in the brain would there be a lot in the blood too? No clue how you would even be able to tell if you have an iron build up in your brain other than brain fog or something

>>14624028
What does that mean? How are they built different? Why are they built different? And since neuroplasticity is a thing, could we take average built children or adults and train them to achieve the same cognitive capabilities that these geniuses (if they're even geniuses that is)? fascinating stuff honestly

>>14623836
He is unimpressive

His mathematics is the same level as Asia Math Journal

>>14623958
If you want to go hardcore about training fluid intelligence, try to solve this sudoku puzzle on the video after reading the rules but not watching the solution

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Q9E_AUdzN0

>>14624001
>intuition
>acting on gained knowledge
You can describe Instict that way too.
Intuition guesses, Instict does not. They are short term tactics.

>>14623836
He doesn't learn. He spent his whole life writing equations (they belong to low level real analysis section about calculating limits). There are so many area of research, but he doesn't learn these mathematics topics and formulate some conjecture in these topics.

>>14624026
that's a good insight, thanks. Well, I think that someone who does have a strong intuition could still benefit from training- its not a guarantee that they would fuck up in the way you described, if anything, trained Ramanujan could realize the lack of efficiency of this formula and start theorizing ways to simplify it. Although this would require a strong intuition to begin with, someone without it would be more likely to just go along with the rules because that's just how it is or whatever. Maybe personality has something to do with it to, has to, he was noted for being very curious, I'm sure he would question it.

>>14624042
haha, maybe I should try easier sudoku puzzles first, I'm not that smart.

It is known that he had an exceptional memory and could recall complex mathematical formulas after hearing them just once. He also had a deep understanding of mathematics and was able to see relationships between different concepts that others missed. Additionally, he was extremely creative and had the ability to come up with his own original proofs and solutions to problems.

It is difficult to say whether or not people are born with the same natural talents as Ramanujan, as it is impossible to know what goes on inside someone else's mind. However, it is clear that practice, hard work, and dedication are essential in order achieve success in mathematics (or any other field).

Ramanujan's brain was not studied after his death, so it is impossible to know for sure what made him so smart. However, some researchers believe that he may have had savant syndrome, which is a condition where people have extraordinary abilities in specific areas despite having limited overall skills.

In any case, Ramanujan was a once-in-a-generation genius and his contributions to mathematics are still being studied and appreciated today.

He had savan syndrome.

>>14624131
Savant syndrome is in autists, he wasn't autistic

>>14623958
>Teaching kids critical thinking would be a great start

a great start would be realizing that generalized critical thinking is unteachable. i suspect there is a neural basis akin to sight; something like a contradiction, ie bullshit detector. such a structure synergistically aligned with other senses could result in what we call intuition.

>>14624609
muh neuroplasticity

>>14623836
>are normal people capable
Anon, the "normal" person who says things like "theres no such thing as normal", this hump of the bell curve even i East Asian races man have I got bad news about their capabilities. Talk slowly. Don't use logic. Branding and repetition alone. They are allergic to math.
>are normal *gags*
>"people"

>>14624058
maybe something like this

Visualize Geometric Series
https://arxiv.org/abs/2006.05062

>>14625043
i would also posit a critical period for the consolidation of such complex. perhaps sharing the same window with language acquisition, say twelve.

>20 years old
its fucking over for me isnt it. i will never be world class in anything ;-;

>>14625147
it only matters if you scarcely care about anything else; perhaps to the utter exclusion of anything else.

>>14625056
>Talk slowly

Holy fuck you are a stupid making up stuff mongoloid.

Non genius worthless trash

>>14625164
I am being a jerk on purpose

>>14623836
As Einstein said “The intuitive mind is a sacred gift and the rational mind is a faithful servant.”

>>14623860
which begs the question, are schools made to make everyone as dumb as possible on purpose

>>14625680
they prioritize rote memorization above all else

>>14624006
Try semenretention

>>14624006
yes, the current year memedrug will surely increase your brain capacity

>>14623836
He resisted the urge to evacuate his bowels on designated streets and reaped the benefits from pooing in the loo.