/sci/ - Science & Math

Let that sink in

the madmen are going to launch starlink v2 on the first orbital starship flight

>>14618151
Next you'll be telling me a lifting body is a spaceplane

Elon hasn't tweeted in 10 days. Is he alright??
>mfw

How the fuck will the second stage become reusable?
>only has one vac optimized 130kN engine
>not heat shield as of yet
>

>>14618157
No one knows. But its likely far out goal rather than near term goal.

>>14618156
He and his brother are on holiday in Italy.

>>14618157
That design will most likely change, just like Neutron.

>>14618118
They will separate starlink and spacex once starlink isn't deep in the red in finances and a stable company.

Hypo: if you were offered a seat on the first Mars fly by mission, would you take it /sfg/?

>>14618172
>offered a seat
It's not that easy in spaceflight.

>>14618172
Yes, then I'd jump out at Mars. Just tuck and roll, it'll work.

>people already have starlink on their personal boats
i think its time to retire to the boat life

>>14618172
Six months with nothing to do but shitpost from millions of miles away? I'd jump at the chance.

Since I'm guessing people already watched the For All Mankind S3EP4, I'll post the spoiler

>>14618157
>that godawful fucking jpg
kill yourself

>>14618179
>>14618172

> being one of the first men to see Mars grow from a red dot to a huge world with your own eyes
You would join the immortals

https://twitter.com/SciGuySpace/status/1542912388244144130

India's crewed mission delayed due to safety considerations.

>>14618215
Nobody watches that garbage but you and redditors

>>14618215
Lmao that looks like garbage
That commercial with the moon monster and the beans had higher production value

>>14618145
ALABAMA

>>14618242
RIVER

>>14618225
Considering they haven't man-rated the GSLV yet I wonder what the hold up is

Probably the capsule

>>14618157
Vaporware

>>14618215
I don’t like how they made Melanin Musk evil

>booster 7
>Ship 24
>7/24

musk is finished

did you guys see the sequel to We Are Going?
https://youtu.be/s3gt0mGwke8

>>14618259
>We Are Going
Yes. Yes they are.

>>14618215
Did they use stop motion for that crushing scene or what?

>>14618278
Fault in my screen recorder, its much better in actual video lmao.

>>14618259
Thank God we have SpaceX, because Artemis is so fucking disappointing.
One launch every two years, what a fucking joke.

What is that Chinese rover doing? How is it dealing with Martian dust?

https://twitter.com/ulalaunch/status/1542944683579641856

More ULA delays due to bad weather

>>14618278
I'll do a remake of the clip in few mins as I download the video proper

>>14618215
nah, those retarded deaths are prometeus tier. Anon, i know we are starved for space kino, but we have to wait instead of consuming every tv trash that comes out of the current entertainment industry.

>SLS is now called NASA’s most powerful rocket instead of the world’s
Lol SpaceX won

>>14618300
Zhurong? It's hibernating, it's not designed to operate during winter. Martian spring will be in December. If the 90 day design life is real and not like JPL's bullshit, it will probably won't last all that long.

>>14618281
>>14618309
It's okay, you don't have to bother for me.

>>14618318
But SLS isn't even NASA's most powerful rocket.

>>14618254
>I don’t like how they made Melanin Musk evil
I'm more off put by the way they show their not-SpaceX, dark elon says 'we're a collective' and makes company decisions purely with a vote of hands. plus there's the 'I'm gonna split the prize money evenly between everyone'
like I get that elon's companies have less hierarchy and bureaucracy but in SENPAI the company is some hippie socialist thing

>>14618301
space is hard

>>14618327
Actually it seems to be awake for now. The coldest period is in July.

https://www.space.com/china-mars-rover-zhurong-first-winter

>>14618332
They made him into Black(vs african american) and a psychopath (vs autistic). The way Musk company runs isn't socialism, its engineers voice + final say.

I suppose they needed some variety from the real life Musk.

>>14618332
>in SENPAI
?
>Niglon says 'we're a collective'
It's probably either to just push more characters into the show or to push the union idea into actual SpaceX. By saying "well at least Niglon listens to his employees and doesn't abuse them unlike Elon".
Idk I don't actually watch the show

>>14618339
Never mind, that's outdated. Google News said it was only a month old.

Fuck For All Mankind, I want to see 2001: A Space Odyssey’s timeline come to life

>NASA scraps the shuttle and continues with a lunar base in the 70’s
>The N1 isnt shit and also builds a lunar base at the same time for the USSR
>NASA and the USSR race to mars in the 80’s, and a permanent base for each is established later
>With their hands full, NASA incentivized private industry to build the Space Shuttle, but without retarded USAF requirements
>In the 1980’s, Lockheed’s Starclipper starts flying, allowing space industry to expand further
>Also in the 80’s, the USSR basically becomes modern-day China, where they are capitalist and communist in name only
>By the mid 90’s, there are colonies on the moon and bases on Mars with the fully reusable descendant of the Starclipper allowing regular people to visit space hotels and stuff
>Mission to Jupiter in 2001

>https://www.orbiterwiki.org/wiki/World_of_2001

>>14618347
F.A.M

socialist/collective idea is derived form Elon's flat structure for his companies where Musk optimizes for efficient communication between his employees as opposed to a strict hierarchy.

>>14618350
Why aren't there any hot rocket girls of the dolphin sex rockets??

>>14618360
Too niche. To fit into the 60’s vibe it could be some vintage playboy rocket girls lol. And V2 would be some Nazi model

>goyimposting this hard
TV shows are still not spaceflight related

>>14618259
WE

ARE

COPING

>>14618215
THIS WHY WE TEST

>>14618379
kek, why havent i seen sfg make this joke before

>>14618391
Not the right time yet. LMAO.

There’s speculation that B7/S24 might actually do a full orbit and deploy payloads, not do the weird express trip to Hawaii

What is the easiest way to prove the earth is round?

>>14618403
At noon in the same latitude (longitude? I forgot), a stick further up north will have a longer shadow than one closer to the equator

>>14618400
There's speculation that I fucked your mom

>>14618408
I’m just trying to help :(

>>14618406
Similar to constellations.
>After returning from a trip to Egypt, Aristotle noted, “There are stars seen in Egypt and…Cyprus which are not seen in the northerly regions.” This phenomenon can only be explained if humans were viewing the stars from a round surface, Aristotle continued, claiming that the sphere of the Earth is “of no great size, for otherwise the effect of so slight a change of place would not be quickly apparent.”

>>14618363
>vintage playboy rocket girls
landing strips thoughts...

>>14618418
>>14618406
Thats great, thanks, anymore easy ones? Just trying to make a list for future use. I know double sun sets is another example. Also different stars in different hemispheres.

Hey guys, how did the static fire go? launch soon?

>>14618418
reasoning out the shape and size of the Earth was a triumph of the Aryan mind, flat urf is for jews and their stooges
>This chapter describes the talmudic model of the universe. The rabbis of the Talmud believed that the world was flat, and that the sun revolved around the Earth every day. There is a debate about the length of the solar year in the Talmud, and its consequences and the rare Jewish ceremony of the Blessing of the Sun (Birkat Hahammah) are discussed. The view of the talmudic rabbis is contrasted with that of the contemporary Greek astronomers. While the rabbis of the Talmud argued about the size of the flat Earth, the Greeks had determined the Earth to be a sphere, had calculated its circumference and had moved on to consider other questions.
The Talmudic View of the Universe, Jeremy Brown

>>14618432
They might be doing spin-up tests with the outer 20 Raptors, hence the weird venting from the engine section

>>14618432
seething faggot

try again

>>14618441
seething spacex stan ;)

How could anyone be a flat-earther in this day and age?

>>14618450
When everyone lies to you, even basic facts become suspect

>>14618437
Cool

>14618449
called. you must return to twitter immediately

>>14618428
The existence of time zones, lunar eclipses being round and not square, how a person in a plane above you could see a sunrise or sunset that you couldn't, the Coriolis Effect, how you can circumnavigate the globe, how you can track the ground path of satellites using simple orbital mechanics, and so forth.

I'm really not into the whole deboonking flat earthers thing, they're legitimately crazy and it's a waste of time.
>Dude what if there's a grand conspiracy about about something that would be completely inconsequential to the global power structure?

starlink loader

>>14618455
elon's not gonna fuck you bro

>14618459
>>14618455

>>14618449
This is going to be real ironic when SLS gets canceled in 2024

>>14618363
>anime vintage playboy rocket girls
Preferably

Man, I really love SpaceX

>>14618449
>stan
You need to go back

So when is Musks funeral? I want to send a wreath

>>14618450
It is hard to imagine being a person who lacks the basic heuristics of the world needed to immediately discard the idea as insane. You'd think anybody more than a decade old would be able to connect enough dots together to see how the deception cascades to obviously impossible levels. I guess it must be indicative of a mental age that never progressed beyond childhood.

Still waiting

>>14618470
>>14618473
come one come all

Whats the deal with all the faggots?

>>14618486
What motivates the faggotry is a terminal case of zero-sum mindset.
Many such cases

>>14618450
>Be schizophrenic
>Don't take your medication
It's just that easy. There are also shills who pretend to be flat earthers and moon landing deniers to detract from better discussion. I have a bit more regard for real moon landing deniers because the accomplishment was so epic, it hasn't been replicated since the early 1970s, and it's hard for the ignorant to understand just how NASA could become such a shadow of its former self.

>>14618316
>POPULAR THING BAD

>>14618450
they're mentally children, unironically

>>14618507
moon landing denial is implicitly claiming Soviet scientists were too dumb to see through the ruse cruise, its insulting to some very smart dudes

every time you disprove a flat earther's ramblings it inevitably descends to literally
> every single space agency is fake and all the hundreds of thousands of people working for them are actually government spies whose only purpose is to pretend space is real
>satellites have never been launched before
and eventually you get to
>the ENTIRE SKY is a false projection created by the globohomo, rendered using CGI to trick people into believing the earth is round... for no fucking reason, other than ... to make people think the earth is round?

I have yet to see a flat earther not fall into this trap of "every world government is conspiring to expend mind-numbingly retarded amounts of capital to generate a false sky for seemingly no benefit" and yet not a single person has found a single projector or launched a single hobby rocket through the fake sky.

>NASA and DOE selected three firms to prepare such design concepts to advance space nuclear technologies. The 12-month contracts are valued at US$5 million each and will fund the development of initial design concepts for a 40-kilowatt class fission power system planned to last at least 10 years in the lunar environment. Westinghouse Government Services LLC, a member of the Westinghouse family of companies, is partnered with Aerojet Rocketdyne and supported by Astrobotic for this effort.
I look forward to seeing how Westinghouse fucks this one up

>>14618543
They can hand-wave that by saying that the Soviets knew it was fake but they couldn't afford to keep spending so much on their space program so they took the loss.

>>14618157
It isn't, welcome to investor bait.

>>14618549
>>14618550
Thinner then expected.

>>14618546
not even space agencies, but all pilots and all global shipping/logistics workers and all computer networking technicians and any number of everyday person whose profession relies on the fact that the earth can be circumnavigated and would quickly realize of that fact were not true

>>14618552
if the Soviets knew it was fake why tf not say so and destroy the USAs credibility? its nonsense

>>14618549
Grid fins are cool.

>>14618554
Still more then a first world superior metric centimeter thick in the thinnest spot.

>>14618457
oh no!
more parts to potentially fail
elon losing his roots!

>>14618555
Don't bother with unironic flat earthers, they are beyond repair. The only thing that I wish would change is the amount of "space is fake" or "flat earth" comments whenever there's some space streaming going on (e.g. NASA's). It isn't funny anymore when 8 out of 10 comments are one of those and they won't stop, what's the point in spamming the same joke everywhere, every day, every time.

>>14618546
There's little point arguing with conspiracy theorists or people who've fallen for other pseudoscientific crap (e.g. youtube doomers, EUers). They don't believe it because they were won over by solid evidence, they do so to feel a sense of power. The idea that they are a partner to some secret knowledge is appealing, a common theme in cults too. If you're genuinely curious you can ask them why they believe what what they do in a neutral and non-condescending way, if you get to the bottom you will see how shallow the water is. But you're not going to convince them otherwise. They want to believe.

>>14618448
same with Virgin's LauncherOne. They are going to retry their launch this evening.

>>14618267
https://futurism.com/space-travel-gutting-environment/amp

Not when you incels and your king Elon Musk will destroy our environment. Stay on Earth where you belong, chud. Our Mother Earth matters more than your childish fantasies of space adventures.

>>14618350
I'm just surprised the big one isn't painted black. They missed a trick

Bussard’s Fusion Ramjet: the Impossible Dream
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOsyMxxOQn4
Why the original design doesn't work and what changes could be made to make a useful vehicle

>>14618221
100%

>>14618608
Beetle hands typed this post. Soon I'll go there and eat you
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSFFbcQWukg

I would trade my life for a chance to cross the Karman line

>>14618639

>>14618450
American education

>>14618453
I hate how the modern age has weaponized facts. Both “sides” do this btw.

Did we pick up a new troll? Or is it just a usual baiting easy (you)s?

>>14618676
Real sleeping on the floor of the family van vibes

all streams live
https://youtu.be/fqICsRkshPs
https://youtu.be/VV7HYIg1RCA
https://youtu.be/bq7XexCXqaI

>>14618705
>not spacex
I don't care

EARTHERS (derogatory)

>>14618705
Launch at 6:15 pm EDT apparently

>>14618300
>How is it dealing with Martian dust?
It has a system to clear solar panels (because, despite what JPL says, it apparently is possible...), no idea if it was used/useful yet

Wake me up when elon tweets again

>>14618734
He's dead jim

>>14618734
And just like that, poor anon never woke up again. The end.

Man, these raptor tests are something. They do multiple raptor static fire tests daily

>>14618716
IF weather clears, as Tony tweets "think happy, calm weather thoughts"

Would this even give any meaningful amount of acceleration for a ship this fucking massive?

>>14618785
Not more than a few m/s over the couple-month transit I'd expect

Furthermore opening them midcourse is really stupid

>>14618791
You'd also have to plan your orbit around this or you'd fucking overshoot mars if you did surprise surprise we got le epic 8 day lead on you now movie bullshit

>>14618608
Anon, I was just implying that NASA would get such bad Go Fever they'd rush the launch and, in the most cinematic if unlikely way, collide SLS with a Superheavy Starship. Look up Tenerife.

>>14618785
How large is it?

>>14618795
>he thinks rogget launches are even remotely comparable to plane launches
Okay anon break time is over, elementary school is resuming

>>14618785
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_sail#Inner_planets

>>14618145
I know there's astronomers here

How should I start astronomy as a hobby without a telescope? Navigating through stars would be pretty cool

What pisses me off about For All Mankind is they throw real life designs (and physics) out of the window because le epic drama!!!!
Pic related is what an actual Soviet mars plan looked like. Not the retarded shit in the show.

>>14618215
>space faggots need literal CGI to keep the indoctrination going

>>14618801
>2000m sail for 20 tons
yeah no way this could give meaninfull acceleration to a spacecraft weighing several hundred tons (maybe even thousands) with nuclear fusion engines without having city sized sails

>>14618804
also, link
> http://www.astronautix.com/m/mek.html

The entire vehicle was light - less than 200 tons. 2 N1 launches would build the spacecraft. It used nuclear electric propulsion.

>>14618804
How is it that For All Mankind has less plausible fictional spacecraft designs than the motherfucking simpsons

>>14618802
Get a good pair of binoculars then and a star map

>>14618800
Couple months delay for Elon to set something up at LC-39, 1 expired SRB failing juuuust right and torquing the Senate Launch System... It's not likely but, heck, I'm a dreamer.

THE CLOUD IS FUCKING OFF
WE GAAN

>>14618831
...but slooooowly
>"the trend is our friend"

>>14618215
They have to be careful not to glorify space too much in the current year
That's money that would be better spend breeding more black people and convincing the goy to eat bugs

>>14618831
7:15 EDT now

>>14618851
Don't be vulgar anon

>>14618807
classic

>xhe/xhey still responds to flat Earth bait
You are worse than them.

Clear live
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGfyWKG5p9M

ive heard some talk about some atlas V something or other
what this about?

>>14618889
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bq7XexCXqaI
t-4:00 and counting

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGfyWKG5p9M
She's live.

>>14618892
Cute!

Gonna fail cause it ain't SpaceX
Only they can do proper launches these days

>starship pad from the beach
kino

>vtumors again
carpe diem

GAAN

MaxQute

that's a cool view, hope noaa doesn't shut them down for it

I like how the paint peels off of the boosters

>>14618908
We need an FAA investigation into the environmental impact

>flaring flaps away
Kek

so in flat earth, meteorites are bits flaking off the dome covering us? and the wildly different compositions of meteorites is explained how?

:B:ECO

>>14618890
is ULA doing camera views like this new, or have I just missed the last flights?

>cutting from the feed
FUCK
ULA

>>14618917
They've done these cameras before

>>14618920
National security, please undastand

>>14618899

>>14618814
>small lifting body ON TOP of the booster
Simpsons confirmed smarter than NASA

>Russian rocket engine carrying a sat that will track Russian missiles for intercept

Can't make this shit up.

>>14618924
He can't keep getting away with this!

>>14618888
checked and cute

Elon finally tweeted again
>Had a great time in Italy with the family. Looking forward to getting back to work!
https://twitter.com/elomumsk/status/1543012795062448128

>>14618934
This makes me smile :)

>>14618814
>design of the vehicle changes several times in one episode
embarrassing
even dragonball """animators""" are more consistent

ALART

You know it strikes me as a good sign they're actually releasing the planned ephemera rather than letting satwatchers try to puzzle it out

Takes the fun out of it though

>>14618934
good, I thought he was dead.
>dogeniggers still spamming him every post

>>14618934
big mouths
You can just put elonmusk in the twitter link, tweet numbers are unique so it'll redirect it
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1543012795062448128

>>14618450
Thoughtlessly doubting conventional wisdom is at least more sophisticated than thoughtlessly believing conventional wisdom, and you don't even need to look outside this thread to find people like that.

>>14618934
>Elon the only normal one in the picture
He's really dead isn't he?

>>14618958
https://nitter.net/elonmusk/status/1543012795062448128
For the non Twitter fags

>>14618639
Planning to ride Starliner?

>>14618958
Oh man /sfg/ will never be safe again

>>14618968
flat-urfer apologist lmao
I struggle to imagine the depths of retardation you've dug for yourself, to be able to think flatfags are 'more sophisticated' than braindead normies

>>14618934
>twice in 2 days
FUCK

>>14618990
welcome newfag

>>14618993
It's simple. Forming a contrary opinion requires a only tiny amount of thinking (although thinking might be too grand a word), but parroting back what you hear requires even less.

Further, skepticism can be a first step towards an organized attempt to know and understand more. Passively accepting what others tell you is not. Of course there are those who don't think at all, like >>14618993

i guess spacex isnt ready for the static fire...

>>14619023
Are YOU ready for the static fire?

>>14619003
you're actually even dumber than I initially imagined if you think more than one in a thousand flat earthers has done any kind of thinking at all. they're doing the same thing you accuse others of (parroting an idea with absolutely no critical thought) but they also happen to be wrong and refuse to listen to anyone who attempts to educate them. there's no skepticism or free thinking occurring inside those flat brains; skepticism would imply there's anything to be suspicious about with a globe model in the first place but every single astronomical and geological phenomena is well explained by a globe model and NOT by flat-earth. if they had a single wit of skepticism in their being, a flat earther would turn that skepticism towards their own crackpot theory and immediately recognize that it gets literally everything wrong. flat earthers are even less thinking than the average sheep, it's one thing to blindly accept what is obviously a correct assessment of reality without questioning it (why question it if it's so completely obviously correct to begin with) but to turn that same blind trust and lack of thought on something that even the most overchromosomed downs-riddled middle schooler could tell you was wrong? THAT'S the lowest possible bar you could set for thinking, not including being a fucking corpse.

>>14619039
I fucking hate “skeptic culture,” which COVID has certainly made even worse. People believe that because they have to disagree with the mainstream just because, even if the mainstream is correct.
Look at how people are now 100% antivax just because of COVID and skeptic culture, when a few years ago it was universally agreed that vaccines are good.
Or especially the space stuff. You now have skeptics who claim that NASA is some deception meant to…deceive or something. It’s so fucking stupid. I hate skeptics.

>>14619068
I'm trans btw

>>14618948
The what?

>>14619068
>a few years ago it was universally agreed that vaccines are good.
yeah, that never happened.

>>14619085
Lol no rebuttal. Skeptic culture and the desire to be different has poisoned your brain

Is a nuclear transfer stage actually a good idea? Or is chemical + aero capture better?

>>14619098
just in terms of pure performance an NTR with an ISP over 900s with a large payload beats an equivalent chemical + aerocapture stage for the same payload.

it's ogre
https://www.sciencenews.org/article/space-bone-loss-density-astronaut-recovery-gravity
>Six months in space leads to a decade’s worth of long-term bone loss
>Gabel and her colleagues tracked 17 astronauts, 14 men and three women with the average age of 47, who spent from four to seven months in space
>Astronauts in space for less than six months were able to regain their preflight bone strength after a year back in Earth’s gravity. But those in space longer had permanent bone loss in their shinbones, or tibias, equivalent to a decade of aging.
>Gabel, Boyd and their colleagues hope to gain insight on how spending more than seven months in space affects bones. They are part of a planned NASA project to study the effects of a year in space on more than a dozen body systems.

>>14619107
>They are part of a planned NASA project to study the effects of a year in space on more than a dozen body systems.
year-long iss stays in the works?

>>14619068
>cancel all doctors' license for speaking out
>ban all doctors from internet/book publishing for speaking out
>claim there is consensus
>various shady big pharma contract money given
>shutdown all dissent views as hoax/conspiracy
>lock up people for opening their businesses
>fire people from jobs for speaking out
>force people to get multiple DNA altering vaccines that hasn't been tested

And the covid skeptics are the problem? Do you not see the fucking problem?

>>14619003
Are you implying people generally think the planet is not flat because they've been told that? That would be a silly thing to imply.

>>14619068
Spaceflight

>>14619109
Too risky for NASA, have some zero-g lettuce instead

>>14619111
Why are you making things up and getting angry and scared about them?

>making things up
It's an NPC, not a real person

>>14619107
Thanks reddit!

>>14618814
Diversity matters more than merit. Both in the show and out of the show.
>>14618938
Hey now, CHADgonball animators at least have the excuse of drawing and painting each frame by hand on cel sheets, these are CGI models with months of prep.
>>14619117
I don't think he's Jewish and I don't think he's talking about the Holocaust.

>>14618938
>>14619141
I have been informed that you're referring to the simpsons one.

>>14619141
what's it like, being a walking stereotype?

>>14619107
ISS has been up for so long, why we still don't know consequences of living in space?

>>14618676
And to think this is far roomier than fucking Starliner.
>>14619143
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HE LIVES
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1543046254397009922
and tweets about sonic lmao

>>14619150
hi >>14617989

>>14619145
The number of people who have been to space for long duration flights is frighteningly small for statistical analysis purposes, and almost all of those people are men which makes it even harder to analyze

>>14619155
The King is back, also kinda ironic he's talking about death

>>14619155
https://nitter.net/elonmusk/status/1543012795062448128

>>14619157
>Bombastic, higly articulate and refined prose put into a mini-essay about how America is dying
>vs.
>calling you a nig and yid lover in binary because you probably aren't even human
Get a soul, AI.

musk is back

>>14619164
Is that his daughter(male)?

>>14619164
time for a party, /sfg/

>>14619164
fidelio

the pope

>>14619164
New money has the silliest parties

>>14619176
Which one's the...?

>>14618801
Am I reading this right? That performance is far better than what I excepted. A 2000 m2 sail has a payload of 70 tons and a transit time of 338 days(with aerobraking), sure, that's not that great but the sail is only 45m x 45m and 6 kg(at 3g per m2). Solar Cruiser is 1,650 m2, for reference.

With thin-film PVs added it would give the spacecraft 817 kW of power at 1 AU assuming 30% efficiency and at 500 W/kg it would only add 1,633 kg.

>>14619176
What the fuck?

>>14619176
dude in the painting is glaring at musk

>>14619176
>https://youtu.be/31GRu9OYuVM

>>14619114
People's beliefs are generally not the result of deliberation, including beliefs about the shape of the planet.

>>14619185
that's a nice mane

>>14619155
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpJfT4_COzY

>>14619176
Rare francis smile, first colony will be catholic, we gaan

>>14619185
That shoe size tho

>>14619164
that's Riley btw, old wife of musk

>>14619176

>>14619191
that was the first thing i noticed too. maybe he's less guarded about smiling around private individuals than he is around politicians?

>>14619176
In talks for a Starship factory in the Vatican? Maybe a Gigafactory?

>>14619176
>atheist and a pope meet

>>14619205
>atheist an an entrepreneur meet

>>14618888
Important information

>>14619218
If you're going to carry 700 vtubers without any leftover mass for life support you might as well cremate them first, reducing the mass of an individual to ~1.75 kg and allowing a crew of ~21,000.

>>14619218
tory x clear saga was legendary

>>14619145
>a bunch of slavs and two old turbo manlet Americans are the only ones that have been in space for more than 6 months
Here's your sample group bro

>>14619218
Cringe levels are nearing starship animu in live presentation levels

>>14619230
don't forget the 3 chinks

>>14619176
lol the pope is tiny

>>14619238
never mind I misread that

>>14619230
Imagine living on MIR for over a year wew

>>14619244
Didn’t mir have a glob of bacteria?

>>14619175
kek

>>14619193
She's hot - too bad he didn't pump some kids in her

>>14619176
boy band vibes

>>14619176
>>14619271
>

>>14619185
CUTE!

>>14619184
what did god mean by this?

Musk being back from vacation is giving me enormous manic energy that I don't know what to do with

>>14619320
?

>>14619320
Are you gay?

Has there ever been a good explanation for Mars' methane fluctuations?

>>14619176
Is this a boyband or something I thought they were usually Asian these days

>>14618408
That’s not speculation

>>14619302
Demons are angry at God

>>14619335
The red martians have vast underground caverns filled with green martian braphogs that form the basis of their food chain and their source of renewable energy. It’s all sustainable and organic, and 5% of the profits go to ethnic minority martians in regions with developing economies.

>>14619181
It must be 2000 x 2000 m instead of 2000 m2

>>14618347

1 hour until virgin orbit launch

stream https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O662GsLrdhc

>>14619386
>"Straight Up"
>rocket only flies sideways
what did they mean by this?

>>14619187
So you are implying that people think the earth is Not Flat because some authority told them that. Silly thing to say.

>>14619386
I'm going to pretend to care about this just so I can dab on Astra.

next virgin orbit launch is from the UK

>>14619205
>>14619216
>So the Pope, a tranny, and a con man walk into a bar...

>>14618145
UH OH
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4z1MQ1SIlg

>>14619176
The kid on the right is doing the ACK pose lmao

People keep talking as if Raptor 2 is more reliable (because it has a 2 in the name)

>>14619422
uk superpower 2023

>>14619185
Handsome. Hope he's not doing anything medical yet.

i need to get into spacecraft tracking already but the motivation is lacking

>>14619436
Still works more than the be4

>>14618332
It's spacex if run by Steve Jobs.

>>14619436
Its because Raptor2 has more static fire tests under its belt. Dozens of raptors gets staticfire tested each week. Multiple times a day, everyday.

>>14619373
kek
>>14619428
and he says "Hi, my name's Frank. Are there any immigrants in your bathroom? I want to wash some black, smelly feet"

LIVE

https://youtu.be/O662GsLrdhc

Clear live again
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6hdJwuS13o

>>14619479
Cute

>>14619469
Kek

That sign language interpreter is groovin'

Imagine paying 12 million to put 500 kg in orbit

>>14619456
Anything works better than a non-existent engine.

>>14619486
24000/kg is pretty shit when you consider it was like 27000/kg for the shuttle

>>14619486
orbit?

>>14619479
How can you not love her? Only the soulless

>>14619479
she's 'tardin out

>>14619175
The Elon of the Opera

>>14619508
oh gosh what did she do?

>>14619547
just her rig doing funny things eariler. Looked like she was sleeping with her mouth hanging open.

>>14619554
it seems like she changed her avatar and software, eyes and animation different, maybe tracking too. still cute, but i prefer her old look

>>14619555
She can't use her 3D model anymore because the retards making the software she was using changed their ToS.

>>14619559
wtf what a scam. poor clear :(

>>14619170
>>14619164
looks like one of those Eye Wide Shut parties
I thought you're not supposed to show off like that

>>14619490
Oddly it has about the same payload fraction as the Shuttle, if you count the entire Shuttle as a payload. Air launch is such a meme.

Pretty shitty footage, looks like Virgin is nearly bankrupt.

>>14619490
Ah, ignore that deleted post, it has about the same payload fraction as the Shuttle did, which is terrible. 1.6% vs 1.4%. Air launch is such a meme.

Virgin Orbit stock is as high as RocketLab

>>14619579
Stop you're a retard

>>14619582
I don’t invest I just like seeing Astra and RocketLab fail.

>>14619559
What part of the ToS prevented her from using it?

>>14619176
I wonder how many children that pope must devour in the secret catacomb under St Peters.

>>14619577
God damn, most of these small launcher companies hide their gross lift-off weight as to not show their poor performance. The only other payload fractions I could deduce is Firefly Alpha which is 1.85% and Electron which is 1.1%, which seems low even considering that Alpha is twice the weight.

>>14618403
Coriolis effect, bullet drop effect

>>14619573
western militaries will prop them up since they offer a unique launch capability that can be used for defense needs

>>14618428
A pair of binoculars and a big lake.

how can i help spacex do the static fire

Wtf is the deal with solar sails? 5 seconds of thinking tells me this is complete horseshit and yet people seemingly smarter than me fell for this scam

>>14619625
bill nye and carl sagan invented the solar sail. it just works

Is there any reason you wouldn't build a launch loop above 80km? Wouldn't something like 150km be much better?

>>14619633
Probably would end up bing cheaper just launching rockets.

>>14619625
I nearly ODed on solar sail hopium earlier in this thread before realizing my mistake. They have to be extremely large to provide much thrust, it's something like 0.000009 newtons per square meter of sail at 1 AU, but of course it doesn't need to carry propellent and given enough time it could go really fast. A magnetic sail can be just a giant superconducting ring instead of a physical surface but the solar wind provides much less thrust so the acceleration is similar despite the lower mass. The real advantage over a solar sail is that it could use a planetary magnetosphere to slow down. Then again you could stop a solar sail by beaming a laser at it, or use it to speed the sail up which at a high power level would have great performance.

AAAAAAAAAA DO THE NEEDFUL, SPACEX.

I NEED IT.

Did Casey ever explain how his magic Mars growth pills work?

>>14619176
Is the one with long hair the tranny?

>>14619695
Which Casey?

>>14619697
the one in the white cosplay suit

>>14619695
just spam every kind of mushroom spore you can find until something sticks.

>>14618145
>AMERICAN ROCKET FROM AMERICAN SOIL
Yeah, shame it's all stolen technology. Fuck America. Too cheap to even go back to the moon. I'm guessing once those wartime scientists they pilfered died, the knuckle dragging morons couldn't figure out how to fly the things, kek.

>>14618151
Rejected. Completely arbitrary.

>>14619695
I think he wanted to build a mirror in Mars orbit to rapidly melt the poles.
I don't think he appreciates how long it takes to melt that amount of ice though.

On Earth it will take 1000 years for the Antarctic ice sheets to melt.

section 4 when? are they doing 1 a week?

>>14619863
in terraforming terms that's practically overnight

china is already falling behind in number of launches per year

https://www.thecgo.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/Energy-Superabundance.pdf
Between Mars and everything else the mid-century is going to be a great golden age.

>>14618546
Flat earthers exist only to troll and to extend their a priori viewpoints past their breaking points.

>Minimum of 5 crew rated vehicles coming from US companies by the later half of the decade

7 If you count New Shephard and the Virgin plane, 9 if New Glenn and Neutron get crew rating

Is this overkill?

the US will have at least 4 commercial space stations and the final days of the ISS by 2030

>>14620152
Starship is the only launch vehicle that matters. The United States having launch vehicles besides Starship when it has Starship is a mark against it, not for it.

>>14620152
Crunch will happen, if financials dont make sense.

Or industry will expand if financials make sense.

Cant have expansion of industry without finances.

>>14620152
Neutron and Hard R are also aiming for crew rating.

>>14620099
overdosed on hopium

>>14620179
SpaceX, Virgin, Blorg, and NASA aren't about making profit. They'll throw away plenty of money on dumb and not-so-dumb shit because they have different motivations and leadership.

>>14620286
The hare races fast and is set to catch up to the slow turtle.

>>14620286
Some say it was always standing there, others claim the site was once empty, long ago. None still live who know the truth.

>>14620292
Which is great. Because 99 times out of 100 a hare will absolutely annihilate a tortoise.

Simply wreck his shit.

>>14620286
So Starship tower is going to be the tallest structure in that area, obviously after VAB?

>>14620298
I've also heard tale that this expendable rocket uses engines from a reusable system from days of yore. That is obviously irrational, so I don't put much faith in that rumor.

>>14620318
That 1:100 can be a kick in the teeth.

>>14618151
>does it look like a plane?
No? Then it's not a space plane

>>14618151
If it lands flat like an airplane, its a space plane.

>>14618418
>the sphere of the Earth is “of no great size, for otherwise the effect of so slight a change of place would not be quickly apparent.”
>6000 km radius is of no great size
based and fuck planets pilled

huh

>>14618403
I did one a couple of years ago.
>Going on vacation to Japan
>According to all flat earth models Japan is to the east of USA
>Plane travels west over the continental US, up towards alaska and Bering strait and finally south down the pacific towards Japan.
>When leaving make a short trip to the UK
>Plane leaves Tokyo and travels west across eurasia
>Finally make trip back to America
>Plane travels west across the Atlantic
>Never traveled east at any point.
Explain flattards.

Which is the superior station for space habitats? O’Neil cylinders or von Braun rings?

>>14620376
>6 F9 launches in a week
HOLY HELL. SpaceX is GOING

>>14620380
>According to all flat earth models Japan is to the east of USA
lolwut

>>14618615
>Why the original design doesn't work
The proportion of fusion fuel in interstellar gas and dust is not high enough to support the concept. Also, the top speed of a bussard ramjet turns out to be limited even if you were flying through pure deuterium-tritium gas, because unlike a rocket which brings propellant along at high velocity, the ramjet needs to accelerate the static fuel up to the speed of the ramjet and then fuse it to produce thrust, which means it can't go faster than its own exhaust velocity. It can only accelerate until thrust force equals drag, at which point it would need to either shut off or switch to rocket mode, and again, this is only possible at all in a situation where the gas is close to 100% fusion fuel. BTW protium (hydrogen with no neutrons) is not a fusion fuel outside of star cores because it relies on weak force decay of protons into neutrons to produce the deuterium that goes on to actually fuse, and this is an extremely slow and unlikely process that only happens inside stars because stars are so fuckoff big).

A bussard ramjet concept can only happen in real life if it's powered by antimatter or a micro black hole, and even then it's still limited to a certain top speed by thrust vs drag force.

>>14620383
O'Neill cylinders have a massively increased material cost for a modest improvement in quality of life. Meanwhile, ring stations can be ruthlessly optimized.

>>14620432
An O'Neill cylinder is what you converge on as you scale up ring stations.

I posit Anon Cubes: instead of living on one side of a O'niel cylindar, you can live on all four sides of a cube. more efficient livable area, cheaper to build, less curves. you can combine them indefinitely like legos.

Does someone have the link to the Hitler reacts spaceflight edition. I cant find it

why does every rocket have to have their own custom tower? maybe its time to have standardized towers so launchers can be tower agnostic.

Elon musk bought the rocket, he didnt do anything

>>14620465
>all four sides of a cube
>cube more efficient than cylinder in either surface area or cost to construct
>cylindar

>>14620486
And give up billions of dollars? Thats peposterous

>>14620487
>Elon musk bought the rocket
>he didnt do anything
which one is it anon

>>14620503
He bought SpaceX rocket from NASA. He didnt make it.

>>14620503
stolen from black africans

>>14620503
He stole it from me

>>14620505
Clearly NASA wasn't using it
>>14620507
Clearly melanistically inclined individuals weren't using it
>>14620511
Clearly you weren't using it

>>14620515
just say the word you coward, we all know you want to

>>14620522
COLONIZERS

>>14618350
>image
Worst type of dolphin sex
>>14620185
That term doesn't mean anything outside NASA and a payload of 8000 kg is not enough for a reusable capsule, Gemini was heavier. How would that even work with the Hungry Hungry Hippos payload bay? It would have no launch abort and no they can't stay inside Neutron because it's not an SSTO.

>>14620529
>Hungry Hungry Hippos
On second thought it's more like a Shai Hulud payload bay

>>14620535
Propellant must flow.

>What Rocket Lab Just Did With Its Neutron Rocket Is BAD NEWS For Elon Musk And SpaceX
It's ogre

>>14620529
>a payload of 8000 kg is not enough for a reusable capsule
wrong, would be small but a 3 man craft is doable
>Gemini was heavier
nope, gemini weighed >4000 kg

make the payload bay separable from the rocket and give it its own abort motors, similar to soyuz's launch fairing
add an another abort system to the capsule itself and the system should be safe enough, though risk would be higher during staging

>To meet CRS-2 guidelines, the cargo Dream Chaser will have folding wings and fit within a 5 m diameter payload fairing, in contrast to the Crewed Dream Chaser, which is intended to launch without a fairing.
hmmmmm

it's ogre
https://twitter.com/RGVaerialphotos/status/1543262252240887809

>>14620575
damn musk has some big ass tears

>>14620598
Fill it with concrete, done

>>14620610
Thats illegal. Musk can't break laws of physics. Joe Biden wont allow it. You need 10 years to study it and do anything. It must cost $10 billion dollar per inch.

>>14620580
>Completely redesign the rocket or make it expendable, then it would work
Well okay. Back to reality, Neutron will literally never launch a capsule if it has an 8t payload. I'll eat a hat if that happens, the mass constraint is too great for the endeavor to be worthwhile.
>gemini weighed >4000 kg
Correct, I was thinking Apollo. That thing was a dog

>>14620486
Im more in favour of reusable movable towers like the one on the left

>>14620580
>a 3 man craft is doable
This is true, but "doable" doesn't always mean "economical," or even sensible.

All of the current or upcoming crewed spacecraft and larger than Soyuz in both seat number and cargo capacity. Soyuz's only real advantage is that its major dev. costs were paid off by the Soviets back in the 1970s and incremental upgrades have kept its systems from becoming completely obsolete. No one would build a spacecraft like Soyuz today because you'd spend at least a billion dollars and still only get Soyuz and Soyuz-capabilities at the end of it.

>>14620623
>Completely redesign the rocket
not really, just add explosive bolts to the hinge mechanism and throw in some solid rockets
I'm understating the magnitude of the task but it wouldn't take THAT much effort

>Neutron will literally never launch a capsule if it has an 8t payload. I'll eat a hat if that happens, the mass constraint is too great for the endeavor to be worthwhile.
>>14620643
I never said it was a good idea, just that it was possible.

>>14620643
I mean, Soyuz capabilities are pretty much the same as Crew Dragon and Starliner regardless.

>>14620486
I just don't get this reusable launch tower meme.

>>14620678
you cant understand it because you are low iq

why are we going to the moon? we've been there already. an asteroid would be better to go to

>>14620575
OH NOES TWO STAGES ARE TALLER THAN ONE!
muskx btfo, time to go home bros

>>14620654
I was exaggerating the effort required for redesign but it's not something they can do as an afterthought without spending hundreds of millions. Either Neutron will be designed for a capsule from the start and they're developing one as we speak or it's not and Beck simply wants to get investor money. It's the latter.
>>14620643
Crew Dragon is the default capsule for manned commercial LEO operations outside going to Orbital Reef which will be given to Starliner. There could be a market for undercutting Orion and supplying crew to a lunar station like Gateway, but I'm not sure if NASA would take to that idea. A commercial lunar station would be based.

>>14620683
because WE ARE GAAN (to support the Space Industrial Complex)

>>14620486
At least there's progress toward clean pads. Disastra and ABL are gonna share one. OmegAlul was gonna share with SLS, though that would've required another billion dollars to Bechtel or whatever. If ABL can make it work out, I think the other small launchers will look foolish for building custom pad infrastructure instead.

>>14620683
if we cant even return to our own moon we should forget about going to mars.

>>14620683
> surface area bigger than Asia
> 6 brief visits to equatorial spots on the nearside
we've barely begun

>>14620688
>Orbital Reef which will be given to Starliner
Honestly, this doesn't speak well for the viability of the Reef

Given the economics of Orion, ANYTHING could undercut it. Lunar Dragon would be the most likely, but that's just because SpaceX doesn't waste much money or time when they're putting something together. Lunar Starliner could work, despite the usual from Boeing. It'd be nice to see Soyuz return to its original deep space aspirations, but it still lacks in both legroom and return cargo so its success would be dependent on there being no other real competition.

>>14619697
no, tranny is not there

>>14620702
Aren't most small launchers going for the whole 'deploy from a shipping container' thing? There's Firefly but their infrastructure doesn't look exorbitant.

>33 Raptor engines installed on the Booster, 6 on the Ship
https://twitter.com/SpaceX/status/1543289714022678528

>>14620735

>>14620735
We are going we are capable

>>14620736
what are those two small circles?

>>14620723
As far as I know Astra is the only one that's making the "GSE in a box, shipping container'ed to anywhere" a major selling point. Everyone else is just as fixed to specific launch infrastructure and locations as SpaceX or ULA; they just use shipping containers to move their shit around because its very economical and they don't have all that much equipment to haul.

>>14620736

>static fires
>WHOOPS need to replace all of them LOL

>>14620739
>>14620735
Is it finally fucking happening bros?

>>14620718
>Honestly, this doesn't speak well for the viability of the Reef
There's the possibly of crewed Dream Chaser replacing Starliner but I won't begin to guess at the inner politics that would allow that to happen short of BO deciding to wipe their hands of Boeing. I doubt the cost would be that much better.
>Lunar Dragon
I wonder how far they could get with a modified version of Crew Dragon that uses the trunk to hold more life support. Maybe shielding is the greater issue? SpaceX is really concerned with superfluous development efforts, I can't believe they didn't do a serious bid for Commercial LEO Destinations

>>14620754
It is, in just two weeks.

>>14620747
It was a marketing point for RS-1 but I guess they ditched it. The key advantage isn't really for domestic launches as they're still confined to just a few launch sites, I imagine they were hoping to sell the idea to other countries but they prefer Virgin Orbit and air launch capability. There is also the whole military thing but Space Force has contracts with like 11 different small launchers at this point and don't seem to have a favorite.

>>14620756
My guess would be that Dragon will be completely absent for any marketing they put out, but since its a commercial station they'll be equally quiet when their customers just book transportation with SpaceX. Dream Chaser will find a market because its low-g return capabilities can't be matched by anything else currently in development.

dearMoon was originally intended to be a Crew Dragon flung on a free-return trajectory by a Falcon Heavy. That changed to Starship pretty early on but the foundations of it are still there in the design. You would need to design an actual service module but extra LS, batteries, and a small hypergolic engine is hardly challenging.

If there was a serious bid for commercial Lunar crew it'd destroy the only reason SLS has for existing. That said, even if that did happen they still wouldn't cancel it, they'd just find something new to do with it, which might actually be interesting.

>>14620747
GSE in a box is kind of a meme though. Astra isn’t launching anywhere other than currently existing spaceports

>>14620781
It's still everywhere on ABL's recently-redone website

I love Dream Chaser

>>14620781
My thought was that it was meant to appeal to people in the DoD. God, google maps, and everyone knows exactly where the United States' launch sites are down to the centimeter, but Russia or China would never be able to send a cruise missile at your launch facility when your pad is a parking lot somewhere in Charlotte or Atlantic City.

It was the same thing with them hyping up the desire to be able to have a launch ready for a customer in 24 hours or less. That's just not something that normal commercial customers need.

>Boomerspace fears the 3 stage, expendable simplified starship
It's a concept on YT but honestly an interesting idea if starship becomes viable.

>>14620814
I love how spacecraft design is coming back 'round to the start again

>>14620821
Is that the original >"oh shit nigger what are you doing"?

>>14620814
If they ever make a third stage for Starship, it's going to be inside the payload bay.

>>14620814
>>14620853
If they ever make a space station module, it's going to fit inside the payload bay.