/sci/ - Science & Math

He's right though

Welp, that means you get increased longevity of life and increased youth. Weeeeeeeeeee!

Your image shows he is right, though.

>>14615883
Racist piece of shit OP got BTFO by his own image lmao

>>14615883
Is this real? Until the recent step back into the previous millennium, I didn't even know that guy. What the hell is wrong with him?

>>14615883
Yes, like in the good old days when we arrested lunatics like Ignaz Semmelweis.

>>14615984
What part of what he wrote do you disagree with?

>>14616031
The idea that this is somehow bad? What the hell is wrong with using aborted fetus cells for important research? Better to put them to use than to trash em. Waste not want not.

>>14616031
I disagree with spreading FUD against a vaccine in a pandemic. It's a decades-oof cell line, who cares if the cell is the 1000th generation descendant of an aborted foetus? Using religion as a basis for FUD is just low. I'm sure that there's no part in the bible that says you cannot get immunised by a substance that was tested on such cells. It's 2022, not the Middle Ages. Thomas breeds nee antivaxxers like this

>>14616037
>>14616047
He didn't say or write any of that. He described what the petition said and why he thought the Supreme Court should consider the case now instead of some time in the future.

>>14616037
Lets back up. OP suggested that Clarence Thomas should be locked away from society.

Are you saying that not fully utilizing the tissue of a dead fetus is so bad that, if one merely suggests doing so, they ought to be locked away from society?

>>14616086
Lol y'all are crazy in here. The case doesn't even have anything to do with whether cell lines from abortion tissues should or shouldn't be used by vaccine companies. It's about what balance of religious and secular exemptions to medical prodecures can or can't be mandated by law.

Abortion is murder. I'm so happy most states will be passing legislation to throw baby-killing sluts into jail.

Hopefully Congress will pass a federal ban on abortion after the midterm elections.

>>14616471
This all happened because Trump grabbed his secret service agent by the bussy and overthrew the government. I've invested in a coat hanger factory to take advantage of this great interstate arbitrage opportunity.

Anyone who equates using immortalized embryonic cell lines to "deriving medicine from aborted fetuses" can put their money where their mouth is and reject any FDA approved medicine.

>>14615984
Everything we make and consume comes from corpses and cadavers in retrospect. Even cells cannibalize each other for sustenance.

>>14615883
Clarence Thomas Clarence Thomas Clarence Thomas Clarence Thomas ooh shit Clarence Thomas
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5GhAGb5rY0

>>14616037
>turning killing babies for profit into an industry isnt bad
you have some serious fucking problems. Either you are too stupid to understand that incentivizing killing babies for profit will lead to killing babies for profit and you are so far gone in this degenerate society you dont see a problem with it. Either way you have some serious issues and need to be put down like a rabid dog. Civilized societies are no place for you are just an animal

>>14615883
Niggers dont belong in science

>>14616542
Do you think, a single baby was killed for the vaccine?
They already have the cell lines and use the same ones for several decades. That could be a hint that they're not aborting more foetuses. (It's neither killing, nor babies, you religious nut job)

>>14615883
>sciense illeterate
what should then be done to the plain illiterate like you?

>"The liberals made my life miserable for 43 years," a former clerk remembered Thomas – who was 43 years old when confirmed – saying, according to The New York Times. "And I'm going to make their lives miserable for 43 years."
the levels of seethe are unprecedented

That title makes no fucking sense, is the gray text his claim, or the correction? Also why isn't there a link to the article you goddamn retards.

>>14616747
It's politico.com but more to the point it's 2022. "News" is not designed to be accurate or even make sense, it's just a way for the political industry to get retards to click on a link to and seethe about bullshit. Ideally to seethe so much that they pass the bullshit on to their friends and neighbors for free lol.

>>14616471
If you really want to punish them, put them under house arrest in the house of an incel.

>>14616086
Being an unelected religious fundamentalist and using the powers of the court to impose your beliefs on others should be enough to throw him in jail

>>14615883
looks like jew fired the fake news machine to shame their enemy again, cringe

>>14617487
>Being an unelected religious fundamentalist and using the powers of the court to impose your beliefs on others should be enough to throw him in jail

>>14617604
>unironically simping a theocracy
Are you waiting for Ayatollah Donald to return?

Nothing to do with science when you want to kill your child. You can still abort kid if you was raped, it has defects and blue states still allow abortion.

Why in the fucking shit is this even in news and who the fuck is getting angry over this is beyond me. This is the epitome of nothing burger.

Fuck you Americans

>>14617646
>You can still abort kid if you was raped
You can’t though. Six states that have total bans don’t include exceptions for rape or incest

>>14617622
>Are you waiting for Ayatollah Donald to return?
Not US-American, would not have voted for Trump. Yet, rent free. Coast liberals are the biggest dumbfucks.

>>14617646
>You can still abort kid if you was raped, it has defects
So, the whole abortion debate was about eugenics after all.

>>14616037
>What the hell is wrong with using aborted fetus cells for important research?
Depends on the consent with the mother.
But seriously, it's still fucked up because there's just so much we don't understand about this primitive stage of human life.

That doesn't mean we have a choice though, because we have none now... not with 8 billion on the planet already and environments ripe for a real good pandemic and requirements for urgent human development.

It's pure evil, but we're chained now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVCUAXOBF7w

But if you think it's fine because we're forced to do it, you're just an apathetic moron.

>>14616542
Why do you think the abortion/free-choice lobby is pushing this? It's not for female freedoms, that's for sure.

>>14616652
I had a sister in labs. They 100% use human anything for experiments, including foetuses.
BUT, generally it's donated to labs from memory. I doubt they would do it without consent.

But hey... what about the child's consent right? That's the problem here.

>>14617679
>>14617674
Oh I forgot to add - this is for testing, not in your vaccines.
Putting that in your vaccines would probably be carcinogenic.

>>14617658
>Coast liberals
Joke's on you, I'm from a landlocked country

>>14617652
Absolute lie. Kill yourself

>>14615883
Chief justice Thomas steers the ship of state simply because the rest of his cohorts in D.C. are too stupid to seize power in the way that chief justice Thomas is able to, his wizardry is beyond the comprehension of most people. Casual observers are aware that part of chief justice Thomas' wisdom is "it is irrational for nonconformists to expect acceptance" and it is that logic which explains why chief justice Thomas' wizardry leaves most people agape and dumbfounded, he would not be reigning as the sole power in the land if he were scrutable to the general population

>>14617674
>But seriously, it's still fucked up because there's just so much we don't understand about this primitive stage of human life.
You do realize that the vaccine wasn't tested on a fetus itself, right? Cells were extracted in the early 1960s from a fetus and since then replicated in labs. The fetus in question was not aborted for research. Honestly, as a catholic-raised person, what is evil about that? Those cell strains have been used for vaccine productions for over half a century. They have saved countless lives.
Even the freaking pope says it is morally acceptable! In German we say "Don't be more papal than the pope", which applies in the most literal sense imaginable here:
https://press.vatican.va/content/salastampa/en/bollettino/pubblico/2020/12/21/201221c.html

>>14617487
Guess it's a good thing he doesn't live in your imagination then lol.

>>14617710
>as a catholic-raised person
you're an amoral atheist, of course you don't know right from wrong

>>14617723
Is the pope an amoral atheist as well?

>>14617710
What the fuck does any of this have to do with anything?

>>14615965
Not entirely. Derived from implies without the cells of the dead jesus' angels we wouldn't have a vaccine. It was simply a convenient way to test not a link between vaccine and red vs blue dumbfukistan showdown.

>>14617733
So it's not about religion? What is it about, then? Spreading FUD about the vaxx to own the libs?

>>14617710
>You do realize that the vaccine wasn't tested on a fetus itself, right? Cells were extracted in the early 1960s from a fetus and since then replicated in labs. The fetus in question was not aborted for research.
You believe that crap?
You know how many abortion clinics are right next to lodges and medical facilities?

I don't know why we're bothering pretending. It's not a well hidden secret when people in labs admit that it's still very common regardless of it's ethical situation or even it's legality.
They test on live animals in most labs, you really don't think they would waste good baby juice and put in the money and effort to replicated cells artificially?
You're dreaming.

No one expects that... well at least I thought everyone thought that way. Clearly some scientists are delusional about the origin or their specimens considering the amount of cartel interests in these things nowadays.

>>14617737
See >>14616081 and cf.
https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/21pdf/21-1143_3f14.pdf

>>14617737
See also >>14616109

You see, when you acquire things from a 3rd world nation with little law enforcement, it's very easy to find replicated foetus cells very quickly and "legally" with the required certification.
From memory it's a large source of morphine ingredients too.

>>14616109
Bollocks, it's highly contextual to this particular subject matter, though I bet lawyers think it's restricted to the scope of that broader issue of law. It really isn't.
No one would give a shit if it was regarding a mouse foetus or something of that sort. It's about human foetuses in particular.

omg le based nigger man is antivaxx! so heckin le wholesome and based!

>>14617739
>You know how many abortion clinics are right next to lodges and medical facilities?
No, I don't. How many? Why would they regularly use new cell lines? Do you know how expensive and inefficient it is to generate new immortal cells? Why, do you think, they use 60 year old cells lines in the first place?
>I don't know why we're bothering pretending. It's not a well hidden secret when people in labs admit that it's still very common regardless of it's ethical situation or even it's legality.
That's the biggest schizo shit I've read all day. And I have read this entire thread. Congrats.
>put in the money and effort to replicated cells artificially?
The opposite of what you believe is true. The cell lines are already immortal. You literally order them and simply replicate them by feeding them. No going through the dumpster of the abortion clinic, isolating the correct cell type etc.

>>14616109
>>14617746
>>14617749
So it's even more retarded. Separate church and state. No religious exceptions of any law, period.

>>14617768
>Do you know how expensive and inefficient it is to generate new immortal cells?
Even if that is the case without your state, it may not be the case externally in some 3rd world foetus wet market.
And don't say that doesn't happen, just look at wuhan's wet market shit.

>Why, do you think, they use 60 year old cells lines in the first place?
Sauce.

>The opposite of what you believe is true. The cell lines are already immortal. You literally order them and simply replicate them by feeding them. No going through the dumpster of the abortion clinic, isolating the correct cell type etc.
Is that what they tell you at the clinic?
Do you not understand how bad the black market situation is?
People make money off this trade. If you think otherwise you are the actual delusional person when we've just had a crisis from a wet market situation that was swept under the rug with "official investigations" that was really just these cartels covering their ass.
Wake the fuck up dude. You live in hell.

>>14617759
Lol it's about whether or not State mandates are allowed to carve out non-religious exemptions while prohibiting religious exemptions. Whatever else you're imagining has nothing to do with the case the Supreme Court decided not to hear and is literally bullshit stuffed into a hollowed-out shell of that case and sold to you as "news"

>>14617787
>Lol it's about whether or not State mandates are allowed to carve out non-religious exemptions while prohibiting religious exemptions.
And you really think they won't knuckle down on this in particular.
You are naive my friend.

They already have all the precedent they need for what you've said already. This is just a particular, otherwise the particular would not be addressed at all.

>>14617785
>Even if that is the case without your state, it may not be the case externally in some 3rd world foetus wet market.
The problem is not finding the fetus, the problem is isolating and immortalizing the cells. Also, if you produce vaccines using these cells, you want reproducible results. You don't want a jillion different fetuses, you want exactly one cell line.

>Sauce.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WI-38

>Is that what they tell you at the clinic?
No, it is what they tell me at the biology lab. The clinic has nothing to do with it.
>Do you not understand how bad the black market situation is?
I am getting a feeling of how bad your schizophrenia situation is. Do you really think, between the pangolins and the bats, the sell the unrefrigerated bloody pulp from an abortion? Good luck getting any cells out of this after a while.

>>14617774
The point of contention is to what extent a law can prohibit the free exercise of any religion. We have a whole history of more or less sane people claiming that this or that law violates the "Free Exercise Clause" and the boundaries of what counts or doesn't count need to be updated from time to time to account for modernization.

>>14617832
Isn't it debatable what the free exercise of religion means? Does it mean I can be offended by whatever and just get my way? Or do they look at things like for example what the freaking pope says about it? You simply can't blame antivaxxer bullshit on Christianity

>>14617802
Knuckle down on what? The case doesn't even have anything to do with what you're talking about.

>>14617812
>I am getting a feeling of how bad your schizophrenia situation is.
The fact that you keep saying this while ignoring the blatant black market fuckery suggests you actually know it's true.

> Do you really think, between the pangolins and the bats, the sell the unrefrigerated bloody pulp from an abortion?
You really think farms don't exist don't you?
Oh no.
You do know surrogacy clinics are a thing right? You should at least know that much right?
Well then how hard would it be to get such already illicit clinics to produce foetus cells, when I bet they have miscarriages all the time?

Would explain some mystery mutations if they did happen.

>>14617837
Which case are you talking about then?
Let's start from the beginning, where OP should have started from. It sounds like anons are actually talking about different cases all over this thread for some reason because no one posted a link.

>>14617836
Of course it's debatable. That's all lawyers do lol. Three of the nine lawyers thought it was a good idea to debate about it now rather than later and were overruled by the other six. That's literally all that is happening in this "news" story.

>>14617848
Google politico clarence and you will see the current version of the article in OPs screencap

>>14617845
>the blatant black market fuckery
Look, are you just trying to piss me off, or do you really think that there is a black market for aborted cells? IT IS FUCKING IMPRACTICAL. You can literally order fetal cells, which already are immortalized, clean, well-known, have a low frequency of chromosomal anomalies... Why would you start from scratch, spend months of time to get a new cell line? Come on, most conspiracy theories at least make some sense. Bush did 9/11 because he needed a pretense for the patriot act and to invade Iraq. The moon landing was fake to intimidate the Soviets and prevent a nuclear attack from them. JFK was assassinated because ... I don't know, he knew too much or whatever. But your theory is just absurd. There is literally no benefit from using freshly aborted cells. It's like saying you steal sawdust from a sawmill nearby to make paper, when you can just log on amazon and get a ream of paper delivered to your door.

>>14617679
they do all kinds of shit far less tame than that without consent if you look far and wide enough

>>14617864
>Look, are you just trying to piss me off, or do you really think that there is a black market for aborted cells? IT IS FUCKING IMPRACTICAL.
>You can literally order fetal cells, which already are immortalized, clean, well-known, have a low frequency of chromosomal anomalies...

I like how you say the first line is more impractical and ridiculous than the latter, when the latter seems to defy the concept of entropy and how rough our medical science really is in this day and age. On top of that, it strangely ignores how easy the first option really is and how it could be much cheaper than time consuming and intensely intricate cell replication methods.

I think you need a hard look in the mirror and ask yourself "am I being lied to by evil people that experiment on animals daily".
Then answer is "most likely".

Welcome to the party pal. You need to doubt things more.