/sci/ - Science & Math

>>14606016
Could it realistically launch in July?

>>14606030
no, more likely september or november

>>14606030
2023, yes

>>14606016
FTS Archive
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1KCJBL632oieD1r6JOh_5Eg9NTcf_-hH8?usp=sharing

93 New stamps, lots of new countries
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1JnTpiGNU9cnzpYZ_CiAtFVpT_kyexUy-?usp=sharing

>>14606030
Depends entirely upon FAA's launch license.

No launch license = no realistic date, ever

When does Tropics-2 get the go/no-go to fly? There must be some review thing going on, after last launch.

>>14606030
yes according to what Elon said last year

>>14606038
Do you collect physical stamps or just pics of stamps? I love sending mail but never got into stamp collecting.

Do they broadcast Chinese space launches? I feel like watching a space launch and there's a Chinese one later today.

>>14606078
depends on the launch
sometimes they even have an english language broadcast

Reminder possible B7 testing today
S24 engines are likely attached now, I think they got all the engines there

Reminder that we have to remove the gravity from Earth, that shit ain't right

>>14606030
What year?

>>14606054
Physical stamps, otherwise there isn't really a sense of owning those stamps

>>14606192
And by extension, the Oberth effect is a meme. 'wow by burning close to Earth and then doing a gazillion flybys the probe can get to Neptune in only 12 years!' Grow up, it's your propulsion that is the issue.

Bi-elliptic transfers would be a meme if anyone actually used them.

why are they painting starship now?

Double standards? Okay so this has been bugging me for a while. Can anyone here provide me with a valid answer as to why Elon Musk has not been charged with fraud like Trevor Milton? Here is a quote from Gerbir Grewal, SEC enforcement director regarding the Trevor Milton case: >“Corporate officers cannot say whatever they want on social media without regard for the federal securities laws.” Is there **any** reason why this does not apply to Musk? Robotaxis, FSD next year 'for sure', Hyperloop, E2E, Tesla Bot, Solar roof tiles, Tesla semi, Bitcoin payments... surely at the very least one of the statements he made about these was unsubstantiated , and resulted in an undue stock price rise? I'm from Europe so pardon me for asking the obvious but is that how the US justice system works?

>>14606258
Die.

>>14606263
holy fuck

>>14606263
Why are yanks so jealous of Europeans?

>>14606258
He's flying military shit to space

>the US will have at least 5 crew rated launch vehicles by the end of the decade

Not including new Glenn and neutron but there’s no current crew plans for those

>>14606307
>starship
>crew rated
No way

>>14606258
SEC has been babysitting his tweets for years now, so obviously he hasn't done anything overtly illegal.

>>14606258
Being ambitious and falling short isn't a crime and acting like it is is what makes American industry so shit these days. Thank god Musk isn't afraid of trying and failing.

>>14606307
Six.

>>14606322
>Being ambitious and falling short isn't a crime and acting like it is is what makes American industry so shit these days.
Well that and the hentai rape tentacles of government overregulation. 90% of the reason people offshored manufacturing was to evade that bullshit.

Haven’t been here for a week or two. What’s going on in space niggers?

>>14606258
Lol what? You think Todd Howard should be arrested for overselling Skyrim?

>>14606341
>overselling
this man hasn't played with mods

>>14606337
We're tired of writing your shit for you, Scott. Trawl the 2,000 posts of arguments about propulsion methods like everyone else.

>>14606258
What Milton did was actually fraud, they filmed a truck rolling down a hill without a functioning drivetrain and then claimed to have a successful hydrogen truck prototype. This is like if Elon Musk showed an image of Starhopper in flight but it was really just suspended by a crane.

>>14606334
Can't wait for the offshore launch platforms to become a thing.

>>14606355
Daggerfall is the best Elder Scrolls and always will be

>bought a notebook to write important concepts that i learned on KSP.
> having the notebook makes me want lo learn about basic physics so i can eventually use them to get better at the game.
> use the notebook to take notes.
> use it to learn Russian as well.
Damn, buying a notebook can really make a difference, anyone who wants to improve at something should do it. writing notes on the computer is not the same idk why.

>>14606385
>walking sim 1996 B.C.

>>14606311
If you weren't paying attention to the news over the last year, Starship is already the chosen lander for HLS program. Its going to be crew rated

>>14606403
Not the same thing.

>>14606253
>why are they painting starship now?
To make it look like you mother vagine haha lol lmao

>>14606411
It'll be rated to carry crew, correct? If not, how is it a HLS?

>>14606431
Getting crew off the surface of earth and into orbit is entirely different from shuttling them between the moon and gateway. It's orders of magnitude more difficult and dangerous.

>>14606311
>crew rated
That is a NASA term, it's just used colloquially to mean 'that vehicle could carry crew'. You could put a person on an Electron rocket if the FAA would approve the flight plan. Also it's "man rated", you tranny faggot.

>>14606411
Polaris Dawn will finish with Starship human landing on Earth

>>14606445
>if the FAA would approve the flight plan
That's the thing, it's probably not that easy to get an approval for very likely a suicide mission.

>>14606445
>Also it's "man rated",
isn't that incredibly bigoted?

>>14606454
That's a good thing

>>14606468
No it's not. You potentially missing out on 50% of the work force

>>14606452
The FAA is more concerned about danger to the public than danger to willing participants, which is why Virgin Galactic can launch despite that their planes are deathtraps. Literally no one is suggesting that Starship will immediately carry humans, that will come after dozens if not hundreds of launches.

>>14606475
>"work" force
They can pack the astronaut's lunch

>>14606452
Space travel should be regulated until we get 1000+ paying customers per year.

There are more sky divers and they aren't regulated. There are more mountain climbers and they arent regulated.

>>14606452
The FAA actually doesn't have much skin in the game there. If the passenger or pilot of an experimental vehicle has expressed informed consent to travel on said vehicle, then the FAA doesn't really care if they turn into hypersonic meat salsa.

were the weeb pedo posters all banned?

>>14606500
they care if there's collateral damage, so they're going to take as many precautions and necessary to stop starship from slamming into a school or another plane.

>>14606307
Hate to break it to you but every rocket is man rated

>>14606516
aww, you miss them, how cute

>>14606307
No way SLS is smaller than Falcon 9...right?

I wish SpaceX would let me ride strapped to the inside of a fairing half in a pressure suit

>>14606516
No, I just found new generals to destroy

>>14606533
she's so cute..

>>14606529
those are two different pictures

>>14606522
How does putting a person on Starship make the launch more likely to fail?
>>14606516
>>14606533
>>14606536
>time to shit up the general
Kill yourselves.

>>14606529
Two words: budget cuts

>>14606533
I'm not usually one to fuck a rocket...but hnnnggg
>>14606538
What's wrong anon

>>14606529
Yeah there is no way. Actually it is a trick of perspective

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhJRzQsLZGg

B5 going back to factory/garden

June 28 0555 EDT - Rocket Lab - Electron - LC-1B, New Zealand - NASA's CAPSTONE mission to near-rectilinear halo lunar orbit.
June 29 1704 EDT - SpaceX - Falcon 9 - SLC-40, Florida - SES-22 communications satellite.
June 30 0100 EDT - Virgin Orbit - LauncherOne - Mojave, California - "Straight Up", the fifth flight dropped from a Boeing 747.
June 30 0830 EDT - ISRO - PSLV-CA - Sriharikota, India - Three Singaporean satellites.
June 30 1800 EDT - ULA - Atlas V 541 - SLC-41, Florida - USSF-12, experimental missile warning satellite for the Space Force.
July 7 0713 EDT - Arianespace - Vega C - French Guiana - Debut flight, LARES-2 magnetic sensing satellite.
July 7 1830 EDT - SpaceX - Falcon 9 - SLC-40, Florida - Starlink 4-21.
July 7 2000 EDT - SpaceX - Falcon 9 - VSFB, California - Starlink 3-1.
July 9 2000 EDT - SpaceX - Falcon 9 - Florida - Starlink 4-22.
July 10 2200 EDT - SpaceX - Falcon 9 - 39A, Florida - Cargo Dragon 2, CRS-2, 25th commercial resupply to the ISS.
July 13 - SpaceX - Falcon 9 - Florida - Starlink 4-25.
July 13 - SpaceX - Falcon 9 - VSFB, California - Starlink 3-2.
July 16 - Firefly - Alpha - VSFB, California - Small satellite rideshare mission, second flight.
July 22 - CASC - Long March 5B - Wenchang, China - Wentian laboratory module for the Chinese space station.
July - Landspace - ZhuQue-2 - Jiaquan, China - Debut flight, first Chinese private and methalox rocket.
July - Relativity - Terran 1 - LC-16, Florida - “Good Luck, Have Fun” debut flight.
August - ABL Space Systems - RS1 - Pad 3C, Alaska - Debut flight, carrying two satellites for L2 Aerospace.

hmmm, what are the chances the "rocket girl" schizo is so deprived of attention he gives himself you's?

>>14606249
>Bi-elliptic transfers would be a meme if anyone actually used them.
unless you want to throw something into the sun and then it's basically the only way to do it

>>14606532

>>14606538
you asked for it because you love the drama

>>14606575
(You) caught me. In fact, all posts on sfg are (Me)

>>14606516
i'd been busy making humorous and informative posts after putting in the effort to trawl through NTRS for some new content because you hadn't been dangling your usual low-hanging fruit for a few days.

>>14606532
anon you would burn alive

>>14606608
yeah i wish spacex would let him do it too

>>14606608
Just surf the fairing down bro

>>14606575
>paranoid skizo's projection

>>14606577
>ride it up to 30km then unstrap and HALO parachute
I'm in

>>14606632
no anon dont do it

>>14606639
It's too late he's literally in the fairing

https://www.esa.int/Enabling_Support/Space_Transportation/Ariane/Ariane_6_central_core_assembly_complete

>>14606667
ariane 6 status: not real [real]

is Elon kill ?

https://www.aviationtoday.com/2022/06/27/spacex-starlink-connectivity/

>>14606667

>Ariane 6 unveiled
>it's just an Ariane 5 but with 4 solid boosters instead of 2

>>14606704
I bet it really hurt him that his son would disown him like that

>>14606724
which son?

>>14606724
>I bet it really hurt him that his son would disown him like that
Why would it? Now he has a chance to own up or shut up or better yet apologize

>>14606732
The mentally ill one.

>>14606718
>SLS unveiled
>it's just STS but expendable

>>14606707
>The company is building eight satellites a day
>interlinks (lasers) will be up and running early next year

>>14606738
?

>>14606667
they are approximately 5-10 years late

>>14606740
If my calculations are correct, in 2050 we'll have the SES.

And it will be designed to just explode on the pad.

>>14606707
I wonder how many per day they could build with a military contract.

>>14606755
Bullshit. 10 years ago they hadn't even decided to ditch 5 ME and go directly to 6.

>>14606779
If its an urgent priority with proper funding, they can scale up to double or triple.

Right now 8 x 365 = 2920

16 x 365 = 5840

24 x 365 = 8760

Solids have the best thrust-specific fuel consumption but are they actually good at increasing the payload fraction of the entire rocket or are they just cheap way to get off the ground? Ignoring the whole ICBM thing. I don't fuck around with them in KSP, liquid fuel boosters only, but they seem too damn popular for it to not be justified.

So Astra is gonna die right?

If there's around 350,000 metric tons of unusable nuclear waste, and Starship can doomp it anywhere in the solar system, that's only 3500 payloads in total.

>>14606834
We have shitloads of empty space on earth, why even bother launching it anywhere?

>>14606834
heee wants to launche ? dömp the first stage during ascent

>>14606843
they say a future civilization could be harmed if we just bury it any old place.

>>14606850
the bogdanoff brothers used the last of their energy to redirect the virus into its harmless omicron variant. bless.

Booster 5 is gonna get scrapped today. F

>>14606834
it will never happen. It's probably more cost effective than digging a deep hole at government rates, but not once you add in the regulatory cost surrounding what happens if there's a RUD.

>>14606871
It's just a machine. Let it go.

>>14606818
Astra joins the 43%. S

>>14606834
>unusable
no such thing

>>14606891
Aside from weaponry. Talking about spent material that is unfit for reprocessing into more fuel.

>>14606834
>he hasn't heard of Onkalo

>>14606834
Todays nuclear waste is a potential energy source tomorow.

>>14606896
This is what I always imagine when people talk about DUMBs.

>>14606901
This. Reminds me of when Spain took all of its platinum and threw it into the ocean because they thought it was worse than useless since people used it to counterfeit silver coins.

>>14606871
Goodbye my little tank

cmon launch already

Reminder that waste storage is a nonissue compared to the other problems plaguing nuclear. No I don't care if it's found by some idiot reptilian humanoid 10,000 years from now.

>>14606307
>starliner
>end of the decade
Not unless they can make it launch with a rocket that isn't already EOL

>>14606938
The government should subsidize it like they do for every other industry that is not sustainable. The point isn't to make a sustainable industry, it's to monopolize expertise so that it's always cheaper for other countries to pay us than develop their own domestic capacity. Unless the other country is a global pariah, the "we need to develop OUR OWN capacity for X" never has enough momentum to actually go through with it. Never. That's why you never give up capacity when you have it, see: microprocessors.

>>14606938
yeah and all the concern about how it's going to be impossible to stop future humans from digging up nuclear waste feels like performance theater by anti-nuclear activists. even if you have a worst-case nuclear war there are still going to be smart people who understand what nukes and radioactivity are and they're still going to be able to understand ancient languages. just putting up a sign in 50 languages saying this is a nuclear waste dump with materials that have a half-life of x years and it's going to be hazardous for x thousand years would be sufficient.

>Elon hit 100 mil followers
>hasn't tweeted since the 22nd
He's dead, isn't he? They finally got him. It's fucking over.

>>14606955
For me, it's the black hole. Spikes are really fancy. I wonder if sand wouldn't just cover picrel.

>>14606790
precisely

>>14606965
he must be rotting inside some central american prison right now

>>14606955
Just a sign like this would work, only with the creature depicted as obviously dead instead turned into a cool glowing skeleton.

rave under starship, wen?

it's time

>>14606987
Nah, Mary said she didn't get an overpressure warning this morning.

>>14606385
Elden Ring is the best Elder Scrolls game.

>>14606980
This is better.

>>14606982
would it take a very big push to tip that over?

>>14606307
wow, dreamchaser is tiny

>>14607040
The problem with this one is the radiation symbol itself; it could easily be misconstrued as an angel.

>>14606954
>The government should subsidize it like they do for every other industry that is not sustainable.
it does

>>14606955
didn't know the IAEA are anti-nuclear activists

>>14606978
They've probably just killed him and dumped his body in the ocean. Can't have him escape.

>>14607040
>this symbol will copy itself onto your t-shirt and make you upset while enlarging the local flora

>>14606938
The much bigger problem with nuclear safety is what happens to the reactors in a time of war, especially those small modular reactors.
Making a reactor that won't blow it's self up is mostly a solved problem, making one that can't be blown up is basically impossible.

>>14607057
Okay, so who's gonna be the new SpaceX CEO?

>>14607076
A Biden appointed pajeet

>>14607056
working on atomic energy doesn't mean you give it your unmitigated support, see fermi

>>14607084
exactly, one expects that the foremost experts in the nuclear energy industry would be most aware of its problems. the idea that nuclear waste processing and storage are solved problems is refuted by the IAEA itself.

enthusiastic nuclear advocates, almost all of whom act like they have a persecution complex, conveniently ignore this.

>>14607066
Gigawatt scale reactors would certainly be targets in a serious exchange and that would be very bad, not sure anyone would spend warheads on SMRs tho

Any chance for a static fire this week?

>>14607066
is there no international treaty about targeting nuclear power plants during war? That feels like a no-brainer.

>>14607112
conventional explosives (you know, the bread-and-butter of modern warfare) will breach an SMR without problems. artillery, tank fire, drone attacks, you name it. whether it's on purpose or collateral damage doesn't matter, of course.

>>14607117
no one would follow them

>>14607117
any attempt to codify rules of conduct during a nuclear war would lead to a massive public backlash

>>14607122
Doesn't have to be a nuclear war, it can govern the rules of engagement in a conventional war. Targeting infrastructure is a big part of any war, nuclear or not.

I asked a question about starship taking nuclear waste into space. Confine the discussion to the scope of spaceflight.

>>14607131
it's generally desired to minimise the amount of nuclear material being shot into the air

>>14607130
that's a good point, but even then i think you'd have to come up with a mechanism to guarantee that the nuke plants are only being used to power civilian industry for it to work. that seems close to impossible with modern power grids.

>>14607131
How about we take all the people to space, then nuke urf?

SOON

(Just a render)

>>14607172
Still can’t believe Starship OFT-1 will carry an actual payload. Makes me think it either works perfectly or nukes the pad, but no in between

>>14606834
>Rocket blows up during ascent
Now you've dunnit

>>14606035
So next year then.

>>14606834
3500 launches only gets that shit to LEO. Starship needs several more tankers to move payload anywhere else.
Also imagine a RUD. Or a simple failure to make orbit.

https://news.yahoo.com/elon-musk-wants-spacexs-biggest-130000121.html

>Elon Musk wants SpaceX's biggest rocket ready to launch in July
>but experts say he may not get his wish
>FAA WONT ISSUE LICENSE WITHOUT MUSK KOWTOWING TO BIDEN
ITS OVER SPACEX IS FINISHED

>>14607212
>experts

>>14607212
>"One week at SpaceX is like a month at a normal company."
Why does everyone else just accept and wallow in mediocrity?

>>14607119
Have you been to a US nuclear plant? They have massive internal walls literally labeled "MISSILE SHIELD" and are heavily guarded all around. It's not simple at all.

Did some math. NOTE: I am not talking about HLS Starship! That doesn’t have a heatshield! I’m assuming SpaceX uses a vanilla Starship for Lunar sorties, like they’ve planned before Artemis.

Starship with 50 tons of payload and 30 tons of bellyflop propellant has a delta V of 7.1 km/s with a full tank (1200 tons) and an isp of 375 seconds (RVacs only).
As seen in this map, LEO to the Lunar Surface and back is 8.1 km/s. Remember, aerobraking let’s us stop into LEO, and eventually land, without spending any prop.
This means Starship needs a 1 km/s boost. Our 1400 ton ship (120 Dry; 50 payload; 30 bellyflop prop; 1200 main prop) would spend 350 tons of propellant boosting itself by 1 km/s, and entering an elliptical earth orbit.

To fully tank up, we can launch a tanker. Once the tanker is filled with 350 tons of propellant, it still needs to be boosted by 1 km/s to meet our ship. This takes 150 tons of propellant. So in total, our tanker masses 650 tons (120 dry; 350 payload; 30 bellyflop prop; 150 main prop).
These 350 tons of prop are enough to fully top off our main ship in order to let in land on the moon and return to the Earth’s surface.

Anyways, assuming Tankers can put 150 tons into LEO, we’d have 9 launches for the main mission (1 Starship + 8 tankers), and 4 for the “top-off” mission. Thus, 13 Starship launches are needed for a Starship semi-direct lunar exploration mission with 50 tons of cargo there and back.

>>14606667
>hydrolox

>>14607066
Current western reactors are already in bunkers. To contain the reactor in case it explodes.

>>14607172
Love how they’re cleaning up the look with tile colored paint. I did a quick edit and added more with a little logo and a name. I feel like Pacific is a good one considering where sn24 will end up

>>14607066
>>14607270
Reactors dont blow up. They melt. They're a source of heat, hence, when the reactors fail, the catastrophic failure will lie in failure to contain the heat hence, the meltdown of the structure happens. Nuclear explosions happen in military grade weapons system with specific triggers that arent possible in commercial nuclear power.

>>14607314
What is hydrogen gas explosions?

>>14607231
why are you talking about full-on nuclear plants? the point of small modular reactors is that they're small and modular and portable (i.e. you can stick them on a truck and drive them to the customer)
where do missile shields come into this?

>>14607314
stop lying. reactors can blow up just from a vigorous nuclear reaction

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prompt_criticality#Prompt_critical_accidents

>>14606307
Starliner isn't going to space on anything but an Atlas V because no one wants to pay to man rate Vulcan. A manned Dreamchaser has no rocket to ride on.

>>14607325
How fucking hard is it to man-rate a rocket? Just make it reliable lol

>>14606800
Solids let hydrolox not be complete ass as a first stage.

>>14607325
Falcon

>>14607332
Cope Boosters

>>14607340
Dreamchaser is only going to fly on Vulcans unless it turns out to be Jarvis.

>>14607324
The nuclear reactor didn't explode lmao. It generated more heat than anticipated, this led to the water/steam tank to expand faster than expected, leading to slight over pressure from the steam build up. The steam tank was lifted ~2.7 meters above ground as a result.

>>14607314
>the meltdown of the structure happens
The fuel elements in the core are what melts, not the reactor's structural elements.

>>14607314
>Reactors dont blow up.
YOU DIDN'T SEE THE GRAPHITE

>>14607355
If it had a containment vessel. Then the radiation leak would have been minimal.

>discuss spaceflight
>shut the fuck up

choose one only

>>14607361
BECAUSE IT WASN'T THERE

>>14607365
don't worry, this conversation will be over soon
it's not like, e.g., wojak spam

>>14607365
>this post
>lack of self awareness
choose both

Venting on the OLM and tank farm

>>14607226
Conditioning.

>>14607226
We're very active. We're not wallowing. We just dont like Sp*cX folks who want people to work harder than they need to. All this speed comes at the cost of people. Current lives of people are being sacrificed so an abstract human lives of the future could survive. Who believes this con artist?

>>14607226
It's just sad. Humanity has godlike potential yet we're limiting ourselves.
You can see this to an extreme degree in the software industry, it's less amplified but still very present everywhere else.

>>14607389
They aren't doing an SF. Mary said she didn't receive an overpressure notice. If she had you'd have seen the NSF sois on the stream all day long waiting for something to happen.

>>14607413
I think a WDR is possible

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bepo15G0F-w

Third tower section might be moving soon in Florida

>>14607423
I think we're missing about a hundred tankers of LOX and CH4 for a WDR

>>14607430
Methane tanks are venting. Might be a partial WDR. They don’t need full tanks for just static fires.

>spacex is moving starlink to texas too
what do we think this? is spacex end up going to move most things to texas?

>>14607148
Why bother with that? Just say that targeting nuclear plants themselves is to be treated the same as a direct nuclear strike.

>>14606938
>No I don't care if it's found by some idiot reptilian humanoid 10,000 years from now.
I hope he finds my clock

Nuclear-Powered Sky Hotel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrodDBJdGuo

>>14607433
Depends on how successful Starship is.

>>14607433
Yes you're not colonizing Mars with the type of folk who go to party in LA on the weekend.

>>14607433
California obivously isn't interested in keeping any of Musk's business there. The move of SpaceX headquarters to Florida or Texas will happen in few years when Mars is within reach.

LIVE

https://youtu.be/kjnDtH_kW98

>>14607462
They are so much faster that it is pathetic.

Either Elon has been working hard or has realized that feeding his train of thought directly into the outrage generation machine is not working out.

>>14606038
22 new stamps arrived today, adding two new countries to the collection; Australia and Japan
Other countries to get stamps are USSR, Czechoslovakia, West Germany, Poland, France, United States, and West Germany
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1JnTpiGNU9cnzpYZ_CiAtFVpT_kyexUy-?usp=sharing

Side note; the West German stamp in the image comes from the International Transport Exhibition held in München in 1965. A video of the display on youtube shows American rockets and the satellite dish in question at 2:45
https://youtu.be/3gNGADUE--k?t=165

>>14607487
One of the Japanese stamps.
These were newer than I thought, released in 2018

rollin

>>14607471
Probably has caught himself doomscrolling and decided to not open the app again until the full stack has lifted off.

>>14607491
And one of the two Australian stamps

>>14606572
Is that a fucking Zhuque 2? They're gonna beat us.

>>14606818
Fuck shareholders, Astra can't fail fast enough.

Man that's a lotta farm venting

>>14607499
noice

>>14607511

>>14607527
fin yoinked

>>14607508
>Is that a fucking Zhuque 2?
yeah. It'll be super interesting to see how a private Chinese company fares in this marketplace. Firms might be prevented from using their launch services by glowniggers though.

>>14607531
>>14607527
Thats b5 at megabay right?

>>14607531
>that bulging at the bottom
its fucking over

>>14607402
also inability to qualify for employment at spacex.

>>14607531
>AHHHHHHHH

>>14607531
requesting anime depiction of this event.

>>14606978
satanists have week long religious holiday which starts with the summer solstice.

>>14607539
based retard

>>14607547
All I can offer is this patch of grass

>pay for hundreds of truckloads of nitrogen and shit
>vent it all into the atmosphere

>>14607462
HE'S TOO FAST

Active vent near engine section

We going for static fire?

>>14607444
Starship is gonna move to Florida tho

>>14607560
Yes. Get ready. This is it.

>>14607562
Move past that. What remains of Falcon 9 factory if its not making engines/starlink/falcon 9/starship/etc?

Are we ever getting the QD claw back?

>>14607557
yeah why not suck it back into the tanks?
wtf

>>14607578
I miss it too anon. Twas kino

>>14607568
Let the Hawthorne homeless move in and call it the Niggafactory.

Bro are they really having a commented stream watching the SPMT drive by with a tower section?
Tankwatching has hit a new low.

>>14607591
Tower stacking watching. Its historical event and people are taking every moment to live it so when they are old, they can tell the tales of what it was really like before people are going to Mars.

>>14607604
delusional. there was no stacking

Chemtrails. The spooks are after SpaceX

https://twitter.com/RocketLab/status/1541246022436802560
>No, you cannot eat the hat. Please do not eat the hat. We tried it so you don't have to. Trust us.

>>14607650
https://arstechnica.com/science/2018/02/elon-musk-i-will-eat-my-hat-if-a-competitors-rocket-flies-before-2023/

>>14607660
The engines, they are not here, Herr Bruno.

>>14607660
If only he was as good at predicting launch dates for SpaceX as he is for competitors

>>14607670
He can't control FAA. Only Biden controls it. Musk didn't anticipate an ideological opposition where the president packs in anti-Musk opposition across all the industries he's disrupting.

>>14607694
kek, never fails

>>14606441
>It's orders of magnitude more difficult and dangerous
to go between the moon and gateway, yes

>>14606862
>they say a future civilization could be harmed if we just bury it any old place.
1. they won't find it if they're still too primitive to know radiation is hazardous and we buried it 5km deep.
2. fuck em.

>>14607578
God damn, I just realized that it is gone. Wtf happened?

>>14607737
retard

>>14607672
/pol/ really does rot your brain

>>14607316
Don't occur in a reactor that doesn't use any water
>>14607319
small modular bunkers
>>14607324
modern reactors are designed to make prompt criticality impossible to achieve (early reactors were more cool and could be forced prompt-critical lol)

>>14607752
>small modular bunkers
not gonna happen though is it

>>14607748
you are, yes

>>14607755
small modular engineering choice feasibility justifications

Mars

>>14607758
no

>>14607758
>fake colors

>>14607750
Did you forget about the leaked ULA emails?

>>14606389
I know what you mean. Some kind of additive retention and engagement using the sense of touch. Then again, we use touch to type words. idk

"Biden Admin" poster poisoning the well as usual.

>>14607767
THERE IS NO CONSPIRACY.gif

>>14606818
At least according to Berger

>>14606016
man sfg has really slowed down since the environmental report

>>14607823
gotta finish that history report first

>>14607826
What if we wrote up the history report and then mailed it to SpaceX. It would have to be honest and legitimately in-line with the requirements. Very subtle inside jokes sprinkled about would be the most we could do, if anything.

>>14607823
>man sfg has really slowed down since the environmental report
90% of "people" here are mindless SpaceX stans who aren't interested in anything else besides Starship

Prove you're not part of this group by posting your most controversial space related opinion. Hard mode: no discussion of launchers

>>14607965
this isn't hard mode but blaming the air force for the shuttle's problems was just a way for george mueller to cover his ass and everyone who buys into that line of thinking is a dupe. nasa wanted and fought for a 60-foot payload bay and even if it had been shortened to 45 feet that would have only made for a marginal improvement in safety and turnaround time. air force did want delta wings for crossrange, but nasa would have gone with those anyway because they didn't have a material that could handle peak heating for the leading edges on a straight-wing design.

>>14607965
There is no case for the commercialisation of space. Maybe some space tourism, niche zero-g manufacturing, and a couple of constellations (Starlink, PlanetLabs) but not an industry worth billions of dollars. Space is just too difficult logistically to deal with. Kind of like why there is zero industry in Antarctica, because its too remote and too hard to deal with shit. Even if Starship enables cheap mass to orbit, or a space elevator gets built. Space will just be the empty space between destinations, ultimately worthless economically.

>>14607978
But do you support NASA going the spaceplane route instead of more serious propulsive landing efforts? Autonomous landing was possible in both cases.

>>14607965
>post your most controversial space related opinion
I like Blue Origin's focus on orbital settlement and industry better than SpaceX's mission of Mars colonization. It's a shame that it's helmed by an obstructionist, lizard-eating sociopath.

>>14607992
a smaller spaceplane for space station logistics would have had its own problems but yeah, that would've probably been the best realistic outcome. for most of the '60s NASA seems to have assumed that was going to be the next step after apollo, but once the saturn program got killed a lot of the guys decided they just needed to jump straight into full reusability. even then there were some guys who saw that shuttle was going to be a bridge too far in an era of shrinking budgets (e.g. von braun, who had a much better understanding of american politics than most americans in nasa), but they got bowled over in the frenzy of shuttle fever.

i agree that propulsive landing was probably doable back then, and in an ideal world we could have started work on it in 1970, but nobody in positions to make decisions believed in it at the time so it's just not a realistic scenario.

>>14607965
Low gravity on the Moon and Mars will be a giant nothingburger and even people born in it will only need a few weeks of training and some supplements/medication to be able to make prolonged visits to earth if they want to.

>>14607965
I wholeheartedly believe that humans discovering some means of effective FTL travel is an inevitability.
>>14607989
Zero-g manufacturing would be huge if costs came down. For something like carbon nanotubes it could unironically revolutionize them and by extension every single thing long and comparatively cheap carbon nanotubes would revolutionize.

>>14607040
>Touch barrel
>Walk to tree
>Chill out

Back after a while: How is SpaceX doing at the FONSI mitigations?

>>14608030
2 weeks

>>14608030
Like 90% of them are just simple procedure changes. A lot of people think they’re a nothingberger

>>14608019
What am I looking at, Anon?

>>14608019
Same. People say FTL is impossible but Jesus, look at human tech 10,000 years ago compared to today. Extrapolating on what’s possible and what’s not is retarded

>>14608019
>I wholeheartedly believe that humans discovering some means of effective FTL travel is an inevitability.
It WILL happen. The human overmind exerts a pressure on reality to restructure the world to achieve its desires.
Humanity had begun to languish in a frontierless world with a dying space program, and the product of this collective anxiety was Elon, a man with the ideal combination of will, resources, competence, and vision to pull together all the necessary people and technologies to give us a chance to grow beyond Earth.
Once humanity begins to feel stifled by the solar system, the means to leave it in a practical manner will manifest.

>>14607965
NASA’s budget isn’t too small. They just suck at money management. NASA has had studied which state that missions to Mars could be done for the same cost and timeline as the ISS, but they never commit becauze they’re stupid

Not hard mode: SLS isn’t a bad design, it’s just taken advantage of by bad contractors.

>>14608053
>Once humanity begins to feel stifled by the solar system, the means to leave it in a practical manner will manifest.
that means doesn't have to be FTL. it could just be colony ships captained by AIs who live for millions of years.
>>14608054
i wouldn't have any problem with SLS if it had worked as advertised - a cheap, quick development that was up and running by 2017.

>>14607989
LEO and GEO are very important for the military.
Once military competition in space gets rolling there will be a customer willing to pay an exorbitant amount for in situ manufacturing and propellant production.
And once in situ manufacturing and propellant production gets started, everything else starts to get easier.

>>14608037
Fiber optic cable as produced in space versus on Earth. Specifically ZBLAN, which, when produced cleanly, has several dozen times less signal loss than other alternatives.

>>14606030
What are those hexagonal glass looking pannels anyways?
Doens't look +6200°F rocket leaving the athmosphere type resistant

>>14607965
in the year 2100 there are going to be multiple nations maintaining orion drive battlefleets in orbit. its military applications are too incredible for it to lay dormant for another 80 years.

>>14608073
>in the year 2100 there are going to be multiple nations maintaining orion drive battlefleets in orbit.
And every single one of them will be American-descendant.

>>14608059
Humans won't create any AI after the mid-2100s or so

>>14607965
>Prove you're not part of this group by posting your most controversial space related opinion. Hard mode: no discussion of launchers

The US's default stance to orbital access to non-allied states should pivot to denial.

>>14607997
I weep for the engineer in charge of designing those bearings

>>14607965
I wholeheartedly agree with based boomer Homer Hickam that Mars really is a hellhole and the moon is where it's at for the foreseeable future.

>>14607965
Colonization attempts will be incredibly sensitive to cheap power, both for the spacecraft and the colony itself. In that regard most propulsion advocated in spaceflight circles is a dead-end beyond tangentially unlocking something better through the advancement of technology but that's at the expense of achieving things with more realistic methods, such a chemical, electric, and various types of beam-powered propulsion which can be done right now without handwavium. The 'just wait for better propulsion' crowd is full of bad actors and abhorrent autists that would rather nothing happen than it to happen in a way that they deem to be inferior.

Naturally all this limits us to inside the main asteroid belt where solar resources are plentiful and the transit time is reasonable but this is something we shouldn't delay any longer.

>>14608111
Same

>>14607965
Anime is based

>>14608083
>Humans won't create any AI after the mid-2100s or so
That's because it'll annihilate us in the mid 2040's. The good news is the demiurge will be faster, stronger, and smarter than us, and will in turn colonize the entire local group and convert it into computronium.

>>14608096
Magnetic bearings baby. But a fuck huge mechanical system would be incredible too. We're going to need more axle grease.

>>14607965
On Mars, men will eat beans exclusively, gradually building up their breasts so they may breastfeed strong Martian children. No women will be on Mars, only advanced estrogenized men. The end of evolution

>>14608128
It'll only annihilate ~80-90% of you in roughly 100 years

>>14608048
>>14608019
FTL is kindve a misnomer. No matter can "travel" at or faster than lightspeed, but we already know some workarounds where you can effectively mimic the effect without matter literally going FTL. A better understanding of entanglement and other quantum phenomena might help find more of natures cheatcodes

>>14608053
mentalist

>>14607965
Probe space exploration becomes exponentially more affordable the further out you need to go, anything further than Mars without nuclear, high TWR ion, or NSWR is impractical for manned applications

>>14608165
Yes, that's why I said "effective FTL," because true FTL doesn't exactly seem possible in any even purely theoretical way. By effective FTL I just mean something that allows for travel between two points in any way that covers that distance faster than light traveling as the crow flies would.
>A better understanding of entanglement and other quantum phenomena might help find more of natures cheatcodes
Tangentially related but I'd love if there were some quantum fuckery that allowed near-instantaneous communication regardless of distance. I'm not well versed enough in those areas to even begin to speculate as to the plausibility of communication like that, but it would be incredibly comfy. In fact even, or perhaps especially, in a universe without any means of effective FTL travel.

>>14607965
Here are some others:
- Earth would be a paradise without most humans and aggressive wildlife
- An 18m Starship tanker will happen sooner than most people realize because of all the launches that will necessary during the short Mars transfer window
- As rockets grow larger ocean platforms will become predominate
- Earthers will increasingly complain about about resources being devoted to space and force all methane production to be made via the Sabatier process using renewable energy, even then it will still be a point of contention
- Trannies will infest spaceflight due to the overlapping autism, they will be overrepresented as astronauts
-Launching near the equator is only good for accessing lower inclinations, the added velocity isn't impactful
-Stock KSP is overrated and so easy that most player never develop anything more than a superficial understanding of spaceflight

>>14607471
or maybe he's busy with the whole tranny son doesn't want him in his life thing

I hope the static fires start wednesday. I hate when they indicate something will happen the next week and once you get there they push it off until the following weekend blueballs you for two more days

>>14608255
Two weeks

>>14608199
>all methane production to be made via the Sabatier process using renewable energy.

This is fine, it will likely become the norm for long range air travel as well.
I do wonder however though if there is a similar effect to stratospheric pollution from jet engines, where GHG has more effect when emitted high in the atmosphere.

>An 18m Starship tanker will happen sooner than most people realize because of all the launches that will necessary during the short Mars transfer window

I actually think that bigger starships are a long way off, starship is already such an enormous leap in capability, but also starship's operation depends on economy of scale; IE constant launching across multiple bases with likely hundreds of starships and dozens of boosters.
This will take a long time to achieve, and any mega starship project will basically be starting over, requiring a new 'stage zero' to be built.
>Launch windows
The vast majority of starship flights in service of mars are tankers, so what spaceX needs is a depot that can hold large amounts of cryogenic fuel ready in orbit for months at a time.

>>14608233
*daughter

>>14608017
>I'm ready for 3+ x the gravity I've spent all my life in. Yes, I've been doing my squatz and oats, how could you tell?

I can't stand 1g anymore bros. I can feel it dragging down every bit of my body. I can feel the skin of my face being pulled to the ground. The human body longs for microgravity, it's only the next logical step in evolution.

>>14608349
>all tomorrows himself into a hideous mr. fingers abomination propelled by swamp ass and taco bell
I'll stick to 1g stations

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HptHSdDYHrU

Capstone is up shortly.

Anyone staying up to watch Capstone?

>>14608370
>720p
Thanks, USGov.

>>14608371
It's 11AM here.

>>14608349
>I can't stand 1g anymore bros. I can feel it dragging down every bit of my body. I can feel the skin of my face being pulled to the ground. The human body longs for microgravity, it's only the next logical step in evolution.

>>14608366
All Tomorrows is underrated on /sfg/

>>14608372
it's not that easy in streaming

Don't forget the Megumin rocket ;)

I like RocketLab but those retards who invest in them then say “to the moon!!!!” and use the little rocket emojis make me mad

>>14608379
>Blurry and far off in the distance
Just like the launch of it and the entire Artemis program hinging on the rocket to nowhere.

Unpopular opinion but Artemis is a shitty program who’s best product will probably be indirectly Starship

>>14608383
That's the baseline opinion for /sfg/, tourist.

Why is the sound so shit?

>>14608383
>Unpopular opinion

>>14608383
What inedible insight anon. It's rare to see such a free thinker on /sfg/

>NEAR RECTUM LINEAR HALO ORBIT
We Uranus now.

>>14608387
their mics are kinda shitty since they need to throw them away at the end of the stream

>4 months to reach Moon

>>14608262
pretty much yeah

>>14608290
Operational complexity is the enemy. Starship is so gimped outside of LEO and GTO that pretty much every flight beyond it requires more than a half dozen launches which puts them at a disadvantage compared to more energetic launchers who don't have to do a bunch of profitless refueling. Between Starlink, Space Force, rideshare launches, HLS, commercial lunar activities, deep space probes, and the Mars effort very quickly they could be overwhelmed. Rather than mothballing their engineering team, they should be made to develop a tanker to take more off their plate and decrease the cost of their entire operation, rather than just the vehicle cost. It's not starting from scratch, most of the vehicle would be of the same design, just larger, and they may even be able to reuse Raptor. The tanker wouldn't use existing facility, instead a new ocean platform fueled by an LNG carrier.

>>14608372
the bitrate is already too low for 720p, 1080 would look even worse

>>14608199
-Pressure fed engines and storable propellant are underrated, especially if it's also used for the RCS. There are non-toxic alternatives and in most cases higher performance isn't needed. Only Astra could manage to fuck it up.
- RTGs are too heavy and weak to be worthwhile, even for probes. Kilopower is a good design but it cannot scale without being entirely different
-High power radioisotope batteries shouldn't be allowed to launch, only reactors that haven't gone critical so there is no radiation risk. It's not worth the public going crazy over a launch failure.
- GEO satellites should be required to deorbit at end of life, not just move to a graveyard orbit. Collision risks are low at that attitude but there is no excuse for leaving your garbage in Earth's SOI for thousands of years
- A laser broom would be the only remotely cost effective way of removing debris from orbit but the best way is through waiting for it to deorbit. We just have to stop more from being added.
-The government should invest in radar that allows >1cm objects in LEO to be tracked, rather than the ~10 cm current capability. Too many unknowns put spacecraft and astronauts at risk.

>>14608411
What makes kilopower so bad as a design?

Good night sfg ...

>>14608374
>All Tomorrows is underrated on /sfg/
/sfg/ is Dougal Dixon territory partner, turkroach trash respecters ain't welcome here

>>14608416
bruh 31 minutes to launch

>>14608427
any cute girls gonna be there?

>>14608411
>High power radioisotope batteries shouldn't be allowed to launch
they'd be safely encapsulated, stop your homosex

>>14608422
This.
>All Tomorrows thinks Mars would lose to Earth in a war

>>14608401
Sounds like starship needs a re-usable third stage.
One that can stay in orbit as a tug

>>14608448
Miller is on it.

>>14608434
yes!

>>14608453
Go back

>>14608453
Oh fuck someone actually did my design prompt. Kino

>>14608455
Go back

>>14608453
ahh her legs :3

>>14608455
We have drawbros show up from time to time

Case in point /i/ reporting in. Will post patches from RL soon

>The bitrate is so low my audiophile speakers sounds like my phone speaker
Thanks, NASA.

>>14608457
Please do go back

>>14608469
I have nowhere to go back to, this is my home and always has been, fuck off :)

>>14608470
Based.

>>14608456
Proofs it was your idea?

>>14608413
You couldn't scale up any simple Stirling cycle reactor, high power reactors have completely different design requirements and are far more complex. See this slide from a talk given by its creator.
>>14608436
The point of radioisotope batteries is that they're much lighter than a fission reactor, heavy shielding defeats the purpose even if they are dropped once in space. You may as well bring up a good power source that won't be worthless after a few years and is safe to be around.
>Muh REP
>Muh RTP
Cope, they're both trash which is why they've never been seriously considered before DARPA decided good nuclear propulsion is too hard.
>>14608448
I was going to mention that but that post was already long-winded. Tugs are mostly for rideshare as Starship could already move heavy payload around LEO and GTO just fine. A third stage could be expendable and fit within the payload bay, mostly it would be for probes leaving Earth.

>>14608472

To The Fucking Moon!

decollage

Launch!

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

I understand weight reasons but boo no camera

>launch at night
>CGI is perfectly lit

>>14608485
I wish they showed telemetry-driven animations instead

>CGI Video on repeat
>Only extra animation was FS
SAD

>>14608493
>low T/W makes it drop rapidly once in space
SAD

he said it

>>14608488
I'm sure once RL gets more above LEO contracts they'll do something.

>>14606295
>Why are yanks so jealous of Europeans?
Quality of living
Almost zero chance of getting shot
Not having to work till death

this just in, mars sample return is completely pointless with ZERO scientific use
https://twitter.com/astrogrant/status/1541487337263071232
>Senior people on the Planetary decadal viewed MSR as a pile of red dirt on the resolute desk for a photo op, not a science endeavour worth the huge cost.

casey has a thread on it too
https://twitter.com/CJHandmer/status/1541591444376285184

>>14608122
How about you child grooming pedos fuck off to your containment board >>>/a/

>>14608540
>replying to a nearly 5 hour post
obsessed

>>14608539
Huh? Pure schizo. It says they want to use helicopters to retrieve samples instead of a rover.

>>14608540
Cope and seethe. Loli works for cube/smallsats.

>>14608553
>hmm yees metal box is like child
It really takes a warped mind

>>14608548
you have autism

>>14608553
>The bigger the satellite the bigger the character
What is the biggest satellite?

>>14608566

>>14608566
skylab

>>14608566
space station would be a frankenstein's monster

>>14608157
Why does this troll me so hard
I'm still not over it

>>14608566
I'd allow for big Ara Ara ISS

>>14608556
>REEE STOP HAVING FUN WITH MY SERIOUS METAL BOXES
Someone got bullied at finger painting as a kid it seems

on this day exactly one year ago
https://mobile.twitter.com/SciGuySpace/status/1409477918783311874

...

>>14608602
kek did the launch tower even exist then?

>>14607439
>drag coefficient higher than 2

>>14607965
I'm not interested in anything else besides starship

>>14608566
Not the heaviest by any means but I’d bet you can’t find anything with more volume

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Echo
>The Echo spacecraft (Echo 1, Echo 1A, and Echo 2) were large thin skinned spheres that were inflated in orbit after leaving the atmosphere.
> Echo 2 was a 41.1 m (135 ft)-diameter balloon satellite, the last launched by Project Echo
> As its shiny surface was also reflective in the range of visible light, Echo was easily visible to the unaided eye over most of the Earth.
Holy fuck lmao imagine the seethe from astroonomers if someone did something like this today

>>14608628
>

>>14608638
how the fuck did they inflate that

>>14607965
I'm the space warfare anon, so I'm more interested in that than starship.

My opinion? Starlink could be defeated by high altitude jamming. Think project loon but for jamming satellites.

>>14608638
>bell labs
we owe so much to these guys its unreal

>>14608658
only takes a little gas cylinder to inflate a big volume in a vacuum

>>14608670
fuck
this would have made the space station alot safer too

>>14608662
>Plain altitude

>>14608602
lmao, elon is a FRAUD!

>>14608672
it does have appeal; you can take off your gloves and work bare handed, raise your visor and see by diffused light not raw sunlight and if you loose a tool its not drifting forever away from you. The volume is large enough that if it gets punctured, you can put the gloves back on, drop your visor and its nbd.

>>14608602
On one hand, orbital launch mid 2021 would be baller. On the other, them getting delayed forced them to focus on infrastructure and if they had started doing test launches then the infrastructure wouldn't be anywhere near as developed as it is now.
>>14608614
No.

>>14608614
>>14608694
the shitapple doesnt fall far from the shittree, randy

>>14608726
I keep reporting and they keep coming, but now the rate is much lower. Most of the channels get deleted by moderators within few hours of my reporting during the working hours.

>>14608771
stop working for a tech giant for free

>>14608797
Its for satisfying my own search results. Its been polluted by bots whenever I search for something.

Plus my reporting is 99% automated so it cost me any mental strain

>>14608504
SLS IS REAL

>>14608878
Shitty Launch System

Thread challenge: you put a miniature third stage in the payload bay of a Starship
How much delta-V could you get with an LRO-sized, ~2t spacecraft?

>>14607965
I'm only interested in Dream Chaser

>>14608924
I think about a starship packed full of small probes strapped to electric propulsion stages a lot. A mission to every single moderately massive body in the solar system within 20 years, and then a followup to everywhere that looks interesting.

>>14608914
Senate Labor Scam

>>14607965
Seconding >>14608628 but entirely unironically. I hardly even car about Falcon.

Gosling_chair_clattering.webm

>>14608566
>What is the biggest satellite?
I guess picrel would be a strong contender, if we're going with unmanned.

>>14607965
NASA is the most successful space agency in the modern era.

>>14609130
it's kind of crazy how a bunch of ex-nazis and nerds with slide rulers made the Saturn V and apollo missions and it still BTFOs all modern space programs even with computers and simulations and logistics.

>>14608638
Damn this is like that telescope concept. Didnt know this existed

>>14609139
we've got our own limitations that they never had to deal with. max faget had one line that's always stuck with me, something like "we could have done apollo with fewer people, but we couldn't have done it with any more". bureaucracies have just grown so big both in the public and private sector that it's impossible to have a program as big as apollo move that fast. we may have superior computers, but they had superior organization.

>>14607965
Biden admin is limiting SpaceX.
There is a conspiracy.

>>14609163
schizophrenia is not an opinion

>>14607965
Rovers are built wrong. The problem is that rather than making a modular, reliable base model for rover and probe launches, JPL basically makes one-offs that are overpriced due to the need to design everything from scratch. Perseverance only came by relatively quickly because they actually had enough leftover parts from the Curiosity program to make an upgraded model, rather than just make Percy a whole new model. JPL should be paying automobile companies like Honda and Ford to design chassis designs for future unmanned missions, like instead of designing a Europa submersible from scratch, they could get a company like Triton to build a ubiquitous body for JPL to add sensors and instruments to, or get Yamaha to build an ATV-like rover for future Mars missions.

>>14609174
percy may well end up being the last mars rover the US ever launches, or at least the last one that isn't deployed from a manned base on mars

>>14609139
even modern NASA cant beat Saturn V with SLS in terms of cost or capability. SS is the true successor to Saturn V

>>14609179
I hope. I want New Rhodesia to plunder all the rovers, defunct and active, and place them in underground museums. It'd be neat to see Opportunity and Spirit posed together on a boulder harvested from the surface. Maybe have Curiosity take panoramic photos of tourists. Or hell, have the rovers reverse engineered and copied for children to use in Martian education programs.

>>14608709
It's funny how KSP players using mods like Galaxies Unbound always use the Daedalus engine for crewed ships. It's just that utilitarian and useful.

>>14608556
Yes. Metal ships made of steel are better represented as CHADS that kick the shit out of each other 24/7.

>Elon hasn't tweeted in a week
>TSLA is up

>>14607462
Why do Jew hosted streams get shilled all over this site?

>>14607965
Space Elevators make no economic sense.
In order to build one, we'd already need a massively robust rocket infrastructure so advanced that it makes launches virtually free, which makes a space elevator useless.

>>14609331
he said controversial opinion

>>14609169
You cannot defeat or deflect us puny neurotypical

>>14609338
You're defeated just by existing

>>14609331
virtually free != free. the electricity costs of running an elevator are still microscopic compared to the propellant costs of even a fusion steam rocket.