/sci/ - Science & Math

Tonnage to space by history.

In 2020, SpaceX launched 230 ton of Starlink
In 2021, They launched 260 ton of Starlink

That's equivalent to 2 Starships per year

SLS will win

>>14598796
Government/Military institution (top)
vs
Privately funded (bottom)

Another data point for tonnage to space

>>14598801
Military satellite growth by country.

Full analysis below

>https://twitter.com/LionnetPierre/status/1540297863942623233

Threadly challenge:

The year is 1973. The manned moon missions have just ended, and public enthusiasm for space (and funding) is beginning to wane.

(you) have been placed in charge of the future of the US space program. What launch architecture do you adopt? What targets do you prioritize?

As thread question asker nigga, I will be rating your answers for accuracy and basedness.

>>14598782

>>14598820
>The year is 1973.
>What launch architecture do you adopt?
Wasn't the Shuttle locked in at that point? Or is this just an exercise in wish fulfillment?

>>14598820
Fully and rapid expendable space elevators

>>14598828
Disclaimer: I am historically illiterate.

gee, what does this remind me of?

>>14598820
alt history cucks need to get a job

>>14598837
What do you think the extra space on starlink 2 is for?

https://www.nasa.gov/press-release/nasa-to-discuss-status-of-artemis-i-moon-mission-0

>NASA will hold a media teleconference at 11 a.m. EDT Friday, June 24, to discuss next steps for the Artemis I mission with the Space Launch System (SLS) rocket and Orion spacecraft at the agency’s Kennedy Space Center in Florida.

>Teams conducted a wet dress rehearsal Monday, June 20, to validate the timelines and procedures for launch, including loading propellant into the rocket’s tanks, performing the launch countdown through the handover to the automated launch sequencer, and draining the tanks.

>NASA has reviewed the data from the rehearsal and determined the testing campaign is complete. The agency will roll SLS and Orion back to the Vehicle Assembly Building (VAB) at Kennedy next week to prepare the rocket and spacecraft for launch and repair a leak detected during the most recent rehearsal. NASA plans to return SLS and Orion to the pad for launch in late August. NASA will set a specific target launch date after replacing hardware associated with the leak.

>NASA officials will discuss the outcome of the wet dress rehearsal, plans to return the rocket and spacecraft to the VAB, and repair the leak.

>NASA has reviewed the data from the rehearsal and determined the testing campaign is complete.
NASA has reviewed the data from the rehearsal and determined the testing campaign is complete.
>NASA has reviewed the data from the rehearsal and determined the testing campaign is complete.
NASA has reviewed the data from the rehearsal and determined the testing campaign is complete.

How many failed WDRs, and they're just going to give up on testing now??
They're actually going to fucking blow it up on the pad
I'm so excited

>>14598782
Is spaceship 2.0 real? 18 fucking meters in diameter!?

>>14598851
4(four) weeks to fix a leak and send it back to the pad
what a joke

This thing stacked is so sexxyyy


No other nation can compete.

>>14598855
wait no wtf
8(eight) weeks
that's just sad

>>14598853
And before the mods ban me again. Yeah it seems like a troll to me too, but Elon tweeted it in a tweet in 2019. Maybe you should ban Elon instead?

>>14598851
Passing WDR doesn't guarantee success anyway. All rockets that have blown up have passed WDR. The function of WDR is to check for process errors, repair them and put them back out. If the process itself is fine, with bit of hardware issue, they could theoretically be ready to launch.

>>14598857
Imagine that thing flying up your mothers blown out pussy. There would be no resistance but air resistance

>>14598861
>The function of WDR is to check for process errors, and fix process errors. Repair are bit adjacent but if they're confident the repairs are minimaly impacting the WDR process itself, then they'll be fine with launch

>>14598823
what are those lights in the background? Drones?

>>14598868
Pretty sure

>>14598844

>>14598823
>ribbed for her pleasure

>>14598851
>ASA plans to return SLS and Orion to the pad for launch in late August.
why a two month delay??

>>14598913
Repair leak

>>14598921
>two minutes for a mexican to weld over leak
i don't see how this is a 2 month delay

>>14598865
woah buddy, where did that come from
>also
kek

>>14598782
>>14598823
I've been wondering for a while, they're using some hydraulics system to move the whole arm right? Are the ventings then for powering up a gas generator for the system?

LUNCH SCHEDULE

June 25 2043 EDT - SpaceX - Falcon 9: LC-39A, FL. Starlink 4-21. Drone ship recovery.
June 27 0550 EDT - Rocket Lab - Electron: Mahia Peninsula, New Zealand. CAPSTONE to lunar halo orbit, for NASA.
June 28 1704 EDT - SpaceX - Falcon 9: SLC-40, FL. SES 22 communications satellite for US television and data service.
June 29 2000 EDT - Landspace: ZhuQue-2: Jiaquan, CH. Debut flight. First Chinese private liquid rocket. First Chinese methalox rocket.
June 29 2000 EDT - ULA - Atlas 5: SLC-41, FL. USSF 12, experimental missile warning satellite for the Space Force.
June 30 0100 EDT - Virgin Orbit - LauncherOne: Mojave, CA. "Straight Up", the fifth flight dropped from a Boeing 747.
June 30 - ISRO - SSLV: Sriharikota, India. Small Satellite Launch Vehicle's first orbital test flight.
June - CAS Space - Zhongke-1A: Site 95, Jiuquan, CH. Six unknown payloads.
June - Galactic Energy - Ceres-1: Site 95, Jiuquan, CH. Two observation satellites.
June - CASC - Jielong-1: Site 95, Jiuquan, CH. Two private industry Earth imaging satellites.
July 7 0713 EDT - Arianespace - Vega C: French Guiana. Debut flight, LARES-2 magnetic sensing satellite.
July - Relativity - Terran 1: LC-16, FL. “Good Luck, Have Fun” debut flight.
July - ABL Space Systems - RS1: Pad 3C, Alaska. Debut flight, carrying two satellites for L2 Aerospace.
Sept 20 - SpaceX - Falcon Heavy: LC-39A, FL. NASA probe to explore metallic asteroid Psyche. Landing zone 1/2 booster recovery.
Q3 - Firefly - Alpha: CA. Small satellite rideshare mission, second flight.
Q3 - SpaceX - Starship: Starbase, TX. Ship 24/Booster 7 debut flight.
Q3 - NASA - SLS: LC-39B, FL. Artemis 1, uncrewed Orion capsule to lunar orbit and return to earth.
Q4 - SpaceX - Falcon 9: LC-39A, FL. Polaris Dawn missions on Crew Dragon.

>>14598861
>>14598867
Is picrel the last time an SLS tank actually saw a meaningful amount of propellant? The image is from a load-to-failure pressure test in 2019; I can't find any mention of *this* current SLS tank ever actually being filled with anything since all the WDRs ended in failure with no LH2 loading.

>>14598913
>>14598921
Repair -another- leak (again (for the third time))

https://twitter.com/jeff_foust/status/1540334108517228546
>NASA will hold a briefing on the Psyche mission this afternoon at 2 pm EDT. No other details yet.
uh oh

>>14598974
>all the WDRs ended in failure with no LH2 loading.
didn't they load lh2 during the last test? they got down to 20 something seconds.
also the burst test was with water not propellant

>>14599020
actually maybe they used n2 or air. there is a video

> JWST gets hit by space rogg last week
> no updates on its status
its dead jim

>>14599023
It has been hit 5 times and they gave us a status update. Performance of the telescope is hardly affected.

>>14599023
There have been several updates, most of the modes have finished check out. It's also started scientific observations a couple of days ago.

>>14599036
>>14599023
Pic related.

>>14599020
Last test was the one with the QD hydrogen leak (and also the hydrogen flare stack that started a grass fire lmao) so they cancelled loading prop and just continued to t-29 while pretending the tanks were full. I'm pretty sure they've never filled the ICPS, the WDR before last had a pressure surge in the LOX lines that triggered a safety and prevented the 2nd stage from being loaded.

>>14598913
Need to replace and reinspect the Alabama river rocks.

>>14598974
It's amazing how ignorant the biggest critics of SLS are about SLS.
https://youtu.be/yEItmSRB44g
Same hardware that is on the pad right now, full flight pressurization, full execution of flight sequence.

>>14599052
Full prop loading was achieved, read better.
Plus the ICPS is a DCSS with slightly longer tanks. Yeah, real flight risk, that one is. Clearly never been tested before.

How can anyone compete with the US?

https://twitter.com/kevzag/status/1540056091261710339?s=21&t=Vf1CWToX8WqJQCWiKI3pwA

Sfg told me there would be pictures of mercury from ESA

>>14599065
Then there's SLS and Starship that are being pad tested. Aswell as New Glenn/Vulcan prob next year.

>>14599065
Hello collagefag

>>14599052
https://twitter.com/NASAGroundSys/status/1539001703818743814

>>14599068
yes

>>14598913
Launch window. Other one is too close.

>>14599068
>>14599078
I liked this one.

>>14599078
>>14599084
Sad how few spacecraft actually go to mercury but I get it. Too close to the sun and looks as boring as the moon

>>14599064
alright then if you're so smart, smart guy: why is SLS having so many failed wet dress rehearsals if everything is such tried-and-true perfection? ICPS being based off flight-proven hardware doesn't mean nasa/boing can't fuck it up, evidenced by 4 WDRs in a row with stuck valves, pressure surges, QD leaks and more leaks from unknown areas. sure sounds like a rock solid system to me. of course if a component manages to fly successfully once that means it'll always work, just like the shuttle SRBs right? those have never had problems when nasa decided to redefine their safety standards without proper testing out of laziness. SLS never getting a full prop load on both stages is very indicative of it being a reliable rocket, and NASA arbitrarily ignoring its own requirements to rush a launch has never caused issues before.

>probe cave exploration 2030-ish
>300m in, probe relays images of writings on walls
>skeletal reliefs in soil near markings
>probe battery dies day after

What would be the scale of the chimpout?

>>14599053
EXPENDABLE ROADS has to be some kind of world record for graft.

>>14599100
Climate change religious zealouts would kill everyone

>>14599065
They can't.

>>14599074
And then there's Astra if they figure out the upper stage problems.

>>14599064
alright then if you're so smart, smart guy: why is SLS having so many failed wet dress rehearsals if everything is such tried-and-true perfection? ICPS being based off flight-proven hardware doesn't mean nasa/boing can't fuck it up, evidenced by 4 WDRs in a row with stuck valves, pressure surges, QD leaks and more leaks from unknown areas. sure sounds like a rock solid system to me. of course if a component manages to fly successfully once that means it'll always work, just like the shuttle SRBs right? those have never had problems when nasa decided to redefine their safety standards without proper testing out of laziness. NASA arbitrarily ignoring its own requirements to rush a launch has never caused issues before. The shuttle doesn't even exist, and it therefore has a perfect flight record which means SLS will too

>>14599096
Apollo 11 launched with a frozen hydrogen valve. Literally. They sent a technician out to the pad to dump water on the valve and freeze it in place, and modulated another valve not meant for the job to do it instead. It launched successfully.
STS-135, the final mission of a 30-year program, had to stop at T-30 because a beanie cap indicator failed. It launched successfully.
NROL-76, the first Falcon 9 launch contracted for a spy satellite, had to scrub a launch around T-60 because of a first stage sensor issue. It launched successfully.
Meanwhile you're the guy who doesn't know what a Green Run is, thinks the core stage has never achieved a full propellant load or undergone a successful WDR, thinks the components of SLS are untested, and is doomering about a RUD because his knowledge of the system he's criticizing is so woefully incomplete he has no idea what he's even talking about.
>B-But they've only tested every individual component in flight conditions! T-That's not the same as an end-to-end test of the entire integrated system.
What do you think Artemis I is?

>>14599116
NTA but all I know is that SLS is being put together by NASA and Boeing staff. 2022 NASA and Boeing staff.

I will be *gobsmacked* if it even ignites.

>>14599117
https://youtu.be/yEItmSRB44g
Already has.

>>14599065
by using gypsy schizos to shill for them and discredit them in the process

Artemis I launch windows btw.

>>14599116
>Apollo 11 launched with a frozen hydrogen valve. Literally. They sent a technician out to the pad to dump water on the valve and freeze it in place, and modulated another valve not meant for the job to do it instead. It launched successfully.
>implying thats a good thing
Holy fuck nasa is a burning trash heap

>>14599126
>>14599116
-T sls shill

Launch windows btw

>>14599130
>noo you can't just use unorthodox solutions to complete the mission successfully11!!!
lmao

>>14599124
Part of it has. Unless they've got some way of testing those SRBs beyond Ledasha putting an "x" in a spreadsheet before her three hour lunch, I remain gobsmackable.

>>14599136
I mean they fired the same design too.
https://youtu.be/n-wqAbVqZyg
Component tests are all done. Artemis I is the end-to-end test.

>>14599135
Isn't this classified?

>putting crew on the second launch
The first launch could have been a fluke

>>14599105
Astra's already launched 10 times, with 2 success. So they're not in the same category. The category in discussions is new first launchers.

>>14599147
No, the digits between T -29 and T -0 are.

>>14599147
Found it here:
https://www.nasa.gov/feature/artemis-i-mission-availability/
So, no.

>>14599147
artemis is a public program, nothing about it is "classified"

>>14599173
Timer sequence is classified to protect solid missile secrets

>>14599065
>implying China doesn't have at least as many
The interesting contrast is that their commercial space program appears to be using licensed military designs or are building according to military specifications

>>14599187
The PRC is good at getting private businesses to do its bidding. Just look at Hollywood.

>FIDO when were you expecting tracking?
>1 minute ago flight

100% recommend watching the full live reaction of mission control to the Columbia disaster. It’s haunting and sad.
Some time stamps
>5:17 - Last transmission
>6:03 - Shuttle should have broken up here
>8:30 - Mission control realizes what happened
>12:30 - “lock the doors”

> https://youtu.be/cbnT8Sf_LRs [Open]

>>14599147
the combination to your chastity cage is classified

Could a pneumatic structure like a vertical version of a steam-catapult used on aircraft carriers be useful in increasing the payload of small rockets by giving them a big velocity boost at launch?

Let's say a 5000lb class rocket is accelerated to 200mph by such a machine.

>>14598820
Make a reusable version of Saturn V. Have the stages bellyflop in the ocean via parachute and add a skirt with inflatable balloons so the engines don't touch the water.

>>14598820

Pic very related.

>>14599254
>Could a pneumatic structure like a vertical version of a steam-catapult used on aircraft carriers be useful in increasing the payload of small rockets by giving them a big velocity boost at launch?

From a quick web search:
>Current steam catapults deliver up to 95 MJ over 94 m

I have no idea how to translate these numbers into anything relevant though, but hopefully some dork ass nerd knows how to

>>14599254
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xnIqrS7jdE

Sort of like this?

But SpinLaunch is a pure variant of it.

>>14599266

Yeah but I'd give the rocket a significantly bigger boost. To around 200mph or more.

>>14599219

Look at Leroy Cain's face at 5:04. They %100 knew they were going to die. What a sordid affair that mission was. It really was the day Nasa died. These were the people that saved Apollo 13, yet they will still claim to this day there was nothing they could do to fix a fucking hole.

>>14598820
Continue the Apollo/Saturn programs. Build Skylab. Then build a ship in orbit for a manned Mars flyby.

>>14599276
>manned Mars flyby
kill yourself

>>14599254
what if we put steam catapult on the rocket

>>14599280
a fly by in say 1980 wouldn't have been shameful, especially if you did a parallel robotic sample return that docked with it as they went past

>>14599280
Nerva roggets and a 1 year mission for 6 men. In basically a beefed up Skylab.

We'll call it Ares 1.

Ares 2 will orbit Mars.

Ares 3 will take LEMs to martian moons.

Ares 4 will have women.

Ares 5 and later. Hope we have a mars ascent vehicle figured out. Some time mid 80s.

>>14599297
bro if you can do NERVA and on orbit assembly then you can land on mars as well

>>14599254

The cost of building your catapult-assist launch tower would outweigh the benefits of slightly increased specific impulse.

>>14599338
Care to share your calculations?

>>14599330
It's getting back up. You have to land a SSTMO. That's already fueled up.

>>14599272
>Nope, we know it's fine, so we won't even try to look at the spacecraft because Schrodinger's crisis.
>If there's no crisis, there's no need to worry about how to get out of it!

Space conspiracy shit pisses me off. What’s worse is these vids have thousands of retards following them

>>14599360
There's thousands of retards following thousands of retarded shit. You're better off not giving a fuck about them

>>14598820
>beginning to wane
My man, in 1973 NASA's budget, inflation-adjusted, was almost identical to what it is today

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vTU9FhDV4U6X4suHtvoiMLYDN-y56ipoGh-N7n9fNq7BW1PiMsx5fVlj10LsgvTYVbu3CiUDO_WD0We/pubhtml

On $24 billion a year you need to fund the entirety of NASA's research, development, and manufacturing centers, perform Earth science astronomy and aerodynamics research, pay everyone who works for you enough to avoid leaving the field, AND THEN out of what's left, fund the space program

Note: you can save yourself $2 billion by axing MSFC because Shelby is by that point not in politics for another decade and a half or so

>>14599360
I just don't really give a fuck about them one way or the other, I find the overwhelming levels of corruption and incompetence within the government and pre-2000's aerospace contractors.

https://twitter.com/SciGuySpace/status/1540395768909029377
>NASA says the Psyche asteroid mission, due to launch this fall on a Falcon Heavy rocket, will not make this window due to software and test issues with the spacecraft. Agency now looking at options in 2023 and 2024.
It's over.

Saturn production ended in 1968. The shuttle was already being pushed through at this time. Unless someone smacked down NASA and told them to keep flying Saturn, they themselves were pretty adamant on supporting the shuttle.
So NASA didn’t even want Saturn with the budget they had. Thats why the "For All Mankind" justification works - NASA is forced to fly Saturn by Uncle Sam.
An interesting scenario is what if the Shuttle flew, but it was different?

Kino

THE ABSOLUTE STATE OF NASA

>>14599400
>JPL director Laurie Leshin: problem was with testing for guidance, navigation and control software. Needed a complex testing environment, which is now fixed. But not enough time left to test for a launch this year.
ridiculous

>>14599400
>JPL fucks up with Psyche
>GSFC wins with Lucy

West coast losing its mojo?

>>14599404
the HL-10 was gorgeous

https://twitter.com/SciGuySpace/status/1540389979817480192

>>14599417
lol why are the chinese doing these? I don't understand it

>>14599417
>no I didn't say you could copy my HW you fuck

>>14599404
>>14599415
Man I’d give a lot for a chance to be a 1950’s test pilot

>>14599417
These niggas kidding me?
I mean, why not? They're probably gonna send spies and hackers to steal SpaceX's design. Why not steal the logo, too?

>>14599417
lazy or expedient?

>>14599418
>>14599421
They probably don't know that X is a letter. They probably think it's a design similar to a space delta/chevron.
The X reaching out like that kinda looks like a rocket trail.

>>14599418
cargo cult-like copying

>>14599445
>They probably don't know that X is a letter
imagine being this much of an amerilard

>>14599444
In my earnest take, its like a SpaceX fanboy making the logo as a tribute to SpaceX's which they want to emulate for their rocket company. There's lot of Elon/SpaceX/Tesla fans in China. He's much more popular in China than in America, if you can believe that.

I'm starting to doubt we'll get a falcon heavy launch at all this year.

>>14599451
>its likely*

>>14599438
lol they tried to steal a falcon 1 booster

>>14599452
Yeah, this rocket is very unlucky. Three missions and then three years of nothing because payloads keep being delayed.

>>14599450
not an argument

https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/06/22/ula-boeing-lockheed-martin-tory-bruno/
>Disrupted by SpaceX, ULA was in ‘serious trouble.’ Now it’s on the road back.
>CEO Tory Bruno vowed to transform the company; he’s developing a new rocket and has won a historic launch contract
>Now, about eight years later, after enduring what Bruno called a quest “to completely transform the company” — laying off hundreds of workers, including 40 percent of executives, streamlining processes, shedding surplus real estate — the company, once in a downward spiral, is experiencing a remarkable transformation. He took steps to unite what he said were two companies — one that worked on the company’s Atlas V, the other that worked on its Delta rockets — with “separate lines in the factory, and of course separate launchpads,” he said. “But also separate teams and separate management structure and to a large extent even separate accounts.”
>It was a massive overhaul, and he had to do it while maintaining ULA’s successful launch record. “Don’t break mission success,” he said. “That was number one.”
>Vulcan is much less expensive” than the Atlas V that it currently flies, Bruno said. “As the flight rate goes up there’s economies of scale, so it gets cheaper over time. And of course, you’re introducing reusability so it’s cheaper. It’s just getting more and more competitive.”
ULAchads, soon...

A few months ago, before the first Psyche delay, someone here asked if it or SLS would fly first. I said Psyche first, on the condition it didn't shit the bed.
fuck

>>14599450
And how many times has your nation been to the moon?

>>14599254
>big velocity boost
>90 m/s gain
lmao
>>14599297
Solid core NTP has no good application for Mars(or any other planet, for that matter), the extra dry mass from the nuclear engines, LH2 tanks, and insulation to prevent boiloff eats nearly all of the performance gain from higher Isp and aerobraking isn't a realistic option so the delta-v required to land goes up about 4-5 km/s over direct entry with propulsive landing, plus more on the way back to Earth. Due to the poor T/W and long burn time they also suck as a second stage unless the first stage is near SSTO capable. Basically it sucks at everything with maybe the exception of a tug that would move stuff to higher energy geocentric or lunar orbit from LEO, still it would cost a bunch of money just to save bringing a bit of extra propellent to orbit.

Booster test this coming Mon-Wed

>>14599472
Sounds like a good time to go fishin

>>14599472
THEY CANT FUCKING DO THIS

SOMEONE STOP HIM

>>14599400
I guess that means that the piggy back mission is also cancelled. This sucks so much.

>>14599475
Those fisherinos aren't gonna last for long when the oil rigs arrive

>>14599458
I don't keep track of each booster to know, but I wonder if SpaceX has a logistical cluster fuck of trying to reserve 3x vehicles for Heavy launches indefinitely while the customers dick around with delays.

>>14599088
It's actually takes more delta V to get to Mercury than Jupiter.

static fire next week
https://twitter.com/visitbocachica/status/1540398162602508289

>>14599499
ffffffffffff
late again

>>14598823
lol how many tiles fell off this time lmao

>>14599501
All of it, look at it, there's none left.

SpaceX is OVER

>>14599501
kek

>>14599465
No nation went to the moon

Insiders say Booster 7’s test campaign will be fast tracked. Same with Ship 24. Approval or not, SpaceX wants to be ready to fly ASAP.
>What if Booster 7 fails in testing?
Booster 8 is almost done.

>>14599514
>no nation
>a person

>>14599514
But someone left artifacts and footprints across six sites on the moon.

>>14599528
>Only twelve people have walked on the surface of the Moon
>NASA is racing against time to do it again before the last one dies
They better hurry, the youngest is 86 and not getting any younger

>>14599528
yeah, and yet you think an entire nation went there?

>>14598796
what was russia launching all those years? spysats?

>>14599549
Yeah. Their spysats for the longest time were modified Vostok capsules

>>14599546
>NASA is racing against time
Except they are not. If they cared about going back to the Moon then SLS would not exist.

How bad would a pad failure of SLS be?

>>14599418
They're jealous of the Big White Cores.

>>14599558
years of investigation and redtape, Artemis cancellation, NASA's budget decimated, NTSB in charge of every launch frow now on, SpaceX nationalized, Musk imprisoned and assassinated, asteroid impact, etc etc

>>14599545
In one sense, only the shapes of the moon dust remain. In another sense, that shape is bourne from human interactions, hence a human went to the moon. Furthermore, an American went on the moon. Furthermore, our nation did, and so did we. Vicariously.

>>14599460
>It was entirely SpaceX's fault

>>14599415
How the fuck does this thing fly with no wings?
Antigrav technology? Jewish magic?

>>14599566
>2016
>ULA: I need some engines, Bezos
>Bezos: Okay, master

>2022
>ULA: Master, please let us have some engines
>Bezos: Beg for it

>>14599570
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lifting_body

>>14599545
The resources to make it happen were sourced from the nation as a whole. Are you retarded?

Eric Berger is trying to start a war between China and the USA.

>>14599585

>>14599465
Smart men went to the moon.
You are retarded.

>>14599400
The shitty part is that it's essentially a 3-4 year delay for the science. By 2029 you could just send a Starship there directly for cheaper without needing a gravity assist

So let me propose the future naming convention of Starship.

>Booster 7 Ship 24 Booster Flight #1 Ship flight #1
Starship 7.24.1.1
>Booster 8 Ship 25 Booster Flight #1 Ship flight #1
Starship 8.25.1.1
>Booster 9 Ship 25 Booster Flight #3 Ship flight #4
Starship 9.25.3.4

Etc etc

>>14599588
I ship them.

>>14599602
>Lucy will have gone to the trojans and back by the time Psyche reaches its target

JPL...

>>14599565
>Furthermore, our nation did
sure, and the whole planet with it

>>14599624
That is the way.

>>14599609
I think they’ll just call it Starship Flight X or something with the subtitle of BX/SX

>>14599613
To where?

>>14599609
I never liked the ".x" naming scheme to denote reflights since it's nothing innate to the vehicle, but if you must, something like
>Booster 9 Ship 25 Booster Flight #3 Ship flight #4
becoming
>Starship 25.4-9.3
makes more sense to me

>>14599614
>Psyche can't reach one asteroid
>Lucy will visit like a dozen

>>14599645
Well its a means to keep track of flight record, atleast internally, so I agree with you in principle.

But ultimately for public launches, they might simply use names of their ships instead of just calling it a number, in publicly. "Heart of Gold" "Big Momma" etc and keep the flight record number merely for book keeping/servicing.

>>14599614
Reminder that Psyche is basically a repurposed GEO satellite with instruments stuck on it, it's embarrassing.
>>14599486
>>14599088
Yeah, the issue with Mercury is that it requires a lot of delta-v to capture there and there is virtually no atmosphere to help slow down. For less delta-v you can land on Mars or Venus, capture around Jupiter or Saturn, even escape the solar system. As SEP improves we'll probably see more missions go there without a ton of gravity assists. BepiColombo was going to carry a small Mercury lander but they scrapped it.

>>14599400
I hate jewwpee-ell so much

>>14599400
That'll be 2 billion plus tip

>>14599671
>a repurposed GEO satellite with instruments stuck on it, it's embarrassing

Why? Those spacecraft are pretty sweet, plenty of payload, electric propulsion these days, and everything is already flight tested.

I have a feeling Starship OFT-1 goes well desu

>>14599727
Its not that easy in orbitillery

>>14599712
>Why
The total cost is $985 million, if that is going to billed to the taxpayer the mission should at least be innovative in some fashion instead of JPL being conservative and still managing to fuck it up.

>>14599744
>$985 million
holy shit, how is it even possible to be that expensive wtf

>>14599748
That's a good question.

>>14599400
We aren’t getting a single Falcon Heavy launch this year, are we…

>>14599452
>>14599763

Take the X-15, modernize the avionics and scale the airframe up twice as large. Stick a Raptor engine in it.

You know this would be awesome.

>>14599748
When everything on every spacecraft has to be handmade custom to fit into it and its requirements, yes everything is expensive

Constellations are the only time you'll ever see spacecraft with mass-produced chassis and instruments.

>>14599784
There is no reason most "one-off" satellites can't be based on a common chassis using mostly standardized hardware. No reason to reinvent the gyroscope every time you want to design weather satellite.

>>14599783
>cold war
>government does a lot of amazing stuff
>modern times
>government is unable to do amazing stuff
Why is that?

GODDAMMIT! Why does spacex keep building AUTISTIC launch infrastructure! FUCKING LAUNCH ALREADY!

>>14599816
You can't launch without that infrastructure.

>>14599816
>Just launch already.
>No launch infrastructure.
Uhhhh, anon are you OK?

>>14599810
Used to be 100% mechanical engineering.
Now we're in the realm of computer science, and we're all incredibly bad at what we do.

>>14599820
>>14599824
Just stick a tube in the rocket and gas it up

>>14599832
It's not that easy in rocketry.

>>14599614
> working slyly to get the Grand Tour mission they wanted, that NASA cancelled, and pulling it of magnificently
they were kings in their time...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M62kajY-ln0

>>14599832
A tube is launch infrastructure.

Benefits from space.
https://youtu.be/SNMYyPaCPDE

>>14599671
>As SEP improves we'll probably see more missions go there without a ton of gravity assists.
just work on electric solar wind sails and you can do sample returns and much more

>>14599816
And here we can observe a typical muskrat, which, in absence of a launch, gets irritated and lashes out with anger at its peers. This shortfall of rocket action will only get worse during the coming months. It will be a hard summer season for this specimen.

>>14599841
It's not "autistic" launch infrastructure though.

>>14599842
>low cost space transportation
>can travel to any place on earth in less than an hour

>>14599810
Cool it with the insinuations, diversity is our strength!

>>14599763
>>14599780
September ViaSat-3
November USSF-67

>>14599832
>>14599833

>>14599878
You have no idea how much I am unironically starting to hate Earthers

Check this out, a 1969 Apollo-11 stamp from Venezuela that was printed in Finland, hence the "setelipaino" marking on the bottom

>>14599852
I mean do you want the tube to stay attached to the rogget until all the fuel and oxidizer is in, and then unhook from it properly when it takes off?

SpaceX is the only thing I love about America, at this point. I hate this country. Long live Elon

>>14599816
>Why does spacex keep building AUTISTIC launch infrastructure!
need multiple ships launching close together for refueling

>no spacex launches in a week
it's over

>>14599947
Don't lose hope, my friend, there's another
https://www.rocketlabusa.com/missions/completed-missions/capstone/

>>14599799
Why do you hate good paying union jobs?

>>14599947
billions for twitter, pennies for space

>>14599947
Not only was it delayed, but also moved from 39-A to SLC-40.

Starship stage zero construction has priority over Falcon launches of Starlink.

>>14599959
>Rocket Labusa
Is this some African company?

I love Elon Musk

>>14600000
I like him too

>>14600000
czech'd

>>14600000
Worthy digits.

>>14600000
Exceptional post.

>>14599991
For me, RocketLab = New Zealand, fuck ITAR

>>14600000

>>14599959
>Rocket: Electron Electron name: Electron
what

>>14600000

>>14600000
You got a permit for those quints?

>>14599816

>>14600000

>>14600000
cringe

>>14599856
that some MURP?

>>14599637
To the Moon!

for all mankind is the dumbest show i've ever tried to watch
i want to go back to the days of The Expanse kino being made

>>14600000

>>14600000
>>14600004
>>14600006
>>14600009
>>14600010
>>14600018
>>14600033
>>14600058
>>14600080
>>14600082
>>14600159
>Je-jeez, is that true? [laughs] Wha? [wheezes] What? Is that? That actually happened?

>>14600153
/sfg/ would be a better technical advisor for For All Mankind than their actual ones lol

>>14600153
I couldn't watch more than a few minutes of SENPAI, so The Expanse wins on that metric, but "it's space magic, I ain't gotta explain shit" is absolutely garbage and you know it
That sort of thing is why Science Fiction & Fantasy is considered a single loathsome genre

>>14600199
Their technical advisor was Garret Reisman (NASA astronaut/spacex employee/etc). He's one of the few that suggests what makes realistic sense but also doesnt want to impede upon artistic/creative freedom. So within the bounds of realism, the shows proceeds as such

>>14600206
>SENPAI
anon that is unsearchable, be more specific as to what garbage you watched
>>14600199
i skipped the first 2 seasons because the first episode of the show is beyond bonkers already
even soviet engineers in the early 60's would laugh at the show because of how impossible it would be for the USSR to beat the americans to the moon (and i dont care for lesbian drama shit)
so i start watching this third season thing and somehow a bolt of debris turns an engine on and locks it on instead of vaporizing it? yeah anyone who can watch this is a soience capeshit lover because this thing is absolute fantasy from start to finish

ITS OVER

>>14600206
>I couldn't watch more than a few minutes of SENPAI
lmao haven't seen that word filter in a while. speaking of which there really should be word filters for "cope", "seethe", and "meds". they're spammed far more obnoxiously these days than f a m ever was

>>14599783
>Stick a Raptor engine in it
And watch it run out of fuel before it can even ignite fully.

>>14600229
Air breathing raptor brah

>>14600214
lol, it's "For All Mankind". apparently we're wordfiltering the initials here
anyway the series is shit, although the main character being a rug muncher in ep1 is on brand, since Sally Ride was a closeted beef diver herself

>>14600245
How new r u?

>>14600247
senpai-tachis don't know about wordfilters

>>14600228
The worst is monkeypox. /biz/raelis investing in SIGA to profit from the next pandemic can't talk about it because some shitcoin used that name a year ago. That and s'oy, which is another reasonable investment this year.

>>14600245
you're not that bright desu. you've got 10 seconds to have this söy food before I add you to the list of NSF casualties

There is no need for a starship 2. In truth there will be only one starship. Perfected, it is the final solution invalidating all others for heavy lift.(there are better options for leo - moon - mars transit tho)

>1992
>tabletoids
>flatscreens
>video calls
>battlebots playing on the tv
lol lmao a continued space race would not have made semiconductor technology jump ahead by 2 decades, what a retarded fucking nigger show, this shit keeps getting dumber and dumber and dumber

9 engine static fire monday
>https://twitter.com/michael10711597/status/1540426329635532801?s=21&t=BpyLlsry885987LtcpxnAw

There is no need for an SLS block 2. In truth there will be only one SLS. Perfected, it is the final solution invalidating all others for heavy grift.(there are better options for tax dollar - Florida - district transit tho)

>>14600229
>>14600232
X-15 was a rocket plane, it didn't breath air.

>>14600261
That’s hilarious. This should be a new copy pasta

>>14600255
Starship is probably the perfect Surface-to-Orbit system until someone makes a nuclear SSTO.
In-space transportation would probably be optimized with Nuclear or Solar electric propulsion for slow cargo, and probably nuclear thermal for people and fast cargo.

>>14600257
It’s retarded. NASA is now self funded which is why they can do this shit? The fuck?

>>14599903
The Supreme Court is pretty based right now

>>14600250
you mean baka desu senpais don't know

>In a move that immediately generated confusion, NASA designated the mission to launch the Skylab Orbital Workshop Skylab 1 and the program's first piloted mission Skylab 2. The Skylab 2 crew then wore a mission patch, designed by fantasy artist Kelly Freas, that bore the name "Skylab I." The Skylab 3 crew's mission patch said Skylab II, and the Skylab 4 patch had a stylized numeral 3.
https://www.wired.com/2012/03/skylab-salyut-space-laboratory-1972/

I wish Zuck would form his own aerospace company already.

>>14600303
>The Skylab 2 crew then wore a mission patch, [...] that bore the name "Skylab I."
Fucking... why??

>>14600314
The 70s were a dark time.
>post affirmative action
>pre mass computerization

>>14599882
Your journey has only begun. Await the Day of the Rock.

>>14599478
It's a curious feeling, knowing that this earther stain lives less than a 45 minute drive from me

>>14600323
You know what you have to do, anon. You need to go down there and fuck his mother.

>>14600308
He likely already has a spaceship.

>>14600326
If you count his metaverse shit

I think the bugwife is holding Zuck back from unleashing his true potential. She's gotta go.

>>14600308
his kind doesn't explore

Raptor

>>14600347
The halfbreeds do.
t. (((daywalker))) who works in newspace

>>14600352
https://twitter.com/jswartzphoto/status/1537842545123741696

Beautiful shot

>>14600355
https://twitter.com/AdamCuker/status/1537954528489721856

>>14600352
Not a bad plume color, image from the booster...

>>14600308
Takes too fucking long to make these companies man. And honestly it is probably already too late to catch up with the other rocket-making companies

>>14600308
It would go the way of Blue Origin unless he found a Musk-equivalent to manage it, and gave them near-autonomy.
Money does not equal results.

>>14600357
>you will never be that close to a raptor
why live?

>>14600363
>rocket-making companies
That's first-wave newspace territory.
As this recession kills off the chaff and stifles new companies while established players bring new capability online (Starship, Neutron, maybe Terran), the resurgence will see payload-focused companies in the spotlight of Newspace 2.0
The third wave may see some significant new launch companies.

>>14600397
One day I’ll be 100 meters above 33 of them. Hopefully we all will.

>>14600413
You'll be a little closer than that to either 6 or 9 of them, depending on how the Starship engine loadout goes

>>14600408
>payload-focused companies
no payload can make a profit

>>14600423
>>14600408
Why companies keep focusing on payload and rocket development?, spacesuits is where the money is at rn. look at those gay looking suits and tell me we dont need better ones

>>14600257
>>14600206
I judge a show for its opening, for all nogkind was soulless and generic compared to other ones like the expanse, so im not gonna watch it. Its been a good metric so far.

So do these guys have ANY commercial launches planned or did everyone dip after Ukraine?

>>14600442
I mean, do launches for Iran count as commercial?

>>14600442
There's one south korean shit I think, but its been delayed for a long while.

Functionally they have no other commercial customers now. ESA was the last real customer as SpaceX had eaten up both of their customers.

>>14600423
Some of the only prospects that sound actually profitable are zero g fiber optic cable manufacturing and space mining, both of which seem like they’re a few decades away at least. Whoever the first to realize that combining the two (making fiber optics from lunar obsidian ) is gonna be super rich

>>14600428

>>14600456
The Falcon 9 really did an amazing job of destroying the commercial prospects for the Zenit and Proton.

>>14599377
>1973
Public interest didn't wane, it evaporated, and in 1969, not 1973. July 21, 1969, in fact.

>>14600423

>>14600473
Proton costs $65 million. I’m surprised it isn’t used more for commercial flights. Angara, which is supposed to replace it, is $90 million I think

>>14600480
To preempt those saying Starlink has yet to produce a profit- it undeniably produces revenue. If a payload can produce revenue, it has the potential to produce profit.

>>14600480
its too late to compete against starlink

>>14600481
Proton has 88% success rate.
Falcon 9 has 98% success rate.

>>14600483
You're not thinking right.

Suppose 1 Starlink was launched in 2020. The question should be, has that particular Starlink made profit yet? The answer is likely yes. The question is how long did it take to make a profit? Probably a year is the right answer.

So now you ask a different picture. Has the last starlink launched made a profit yet? The answer is definite no. It will take another year to make profit.

By next year, SpaceX would have launched another sets of Starlink and you begin to ask the same question. Has the last new V2 starlink launched made profit yet? The answer would be not for another year.

So whats the over all conclusion? Is Starlink profitable? Yes, but since its a moving target, the profit will always be 1 year away for the full system.

lmao the government only knows how to do one thing: make more intelligence agencies
https://spacenews.com/space-force-establishes-intelligence-unit-to-put-sharper-focus-on-orbital-threats/

>>14600481
$65M per flight is why the Falcon 9 never cost more that $62M a flight in its earlier versions. $62M new is also why the Proton doesn't have any current customers outside of the Angolan Space Agency.

The cost for the Angara is so high because its flight rate is so low. If if could break double digits yearly across the whole design family you'd see that price tag drop significantly. It's the biggest advantage of it's modular design.

>>14600508
... until they've finished the constellation and are only doing replenishment launches a few times a year instead of >1/week. and no, the replenishment launches don't somehow negate the profitability of the entire constellation; you can just subtract the maintenance launch costs from the profit generated by the already existing satellites and boom you've got instant profit from the new sats because their cost is amortized.

>>14600498
It was an example, Mr. room-temp IQ

>>14600533
a shit example
starlink is the only profitable payload
and its going to stay that way for a long time

>>14600527
No, thats not the metric you should be looking for. The metric for profitability is how fast customers they get to offset their launch costs. At certain point, SpaceX is looking to have more customer revenue than the cost to launch. So instead of 1 year to profit as it is right now, they want to reduce that down as low as possible. If they're profitable within 1 month, then why should SpaceX stop expanding their service and replacing their service with ever better hardware to upgrade so they can grow ever faster?

>>14600534
JWST generated the most profit of any satellite ever made. The government told everyone they were making the most expensive space telescope ever, it was going to be delayed by a decade, and if you didn't give them money to make it they'd take everything you own, put you in a cage, and shoot your dog. Then they gave all the money they stole to a bunch of nepotistic contractors and corrupt unions and called it a jobs program that generated billions in revenue.

Almost there

>>14600551
where?

>>14600510
it might be preparatory work to split up the joint air and space intelligence unit into separate air and space units

>>14600550
well that doesn't work for the private sector

>>14600559
To SPACE

>>14600559
GOING

>x-37b can lower it's altitude enough that it can use the atmosphere to conduct large inclination changes without needing to expend much fuel
truly an engineering marvel

>>14600534
Commsats aren't a new thing, Starlink is just a new kind

>>14600600
At least venture star was good for something

>>14600428
It's not sexy enough to investors.

>>14600600
>why yes I suddenly decided I need to change my inclination by 90 degrees
That isn't nearly as useful as you think it is. The X-37 is a test bed, it's not for spying, or stealing satellites(lol), or GEO deployments if it could make it there.

>>14600622
Glowing hands typed this post.

>>14600600
Anybody remember what the name was of the concept in pic related? Instead of inclination changes, you use the atmosphere to change the direction of your outgoing trajectory and "amplifying" your slingshot.

>>14600624
An aerogravity assist

>>14600624
That's an aerogravity assist. You can do one full orbit inside the atmosphere before you start losing dV so it's good for speedy interplanetary transfers.

>>14600624
it's not that easy

>>14600626
>>14600628
Thanks very cool

>>14600628
The issue is with all the mass required to not only survive atmospheric entry but generate enough lift in such a short period of time to make it worthwhile. It's not even "but it works in KSP" tier since IIRC it doesn't.

>>14600637
You don't need that much mass actually. Waverider geometry is basically a handheld dust vac at Mach 25+.

>>14600651
Sounds like a good way for JPL to make 50 billion.

>>14600551
>all of that stage 0 not yet completed
See y'all next year

>>14600661
Yeah actually. It's the sort of far beyond cutting edge R&D that cost plus was intended for, and has a ton of military applications.

The common way to interpret the use of nuclear power is basically "a bigger kettle", so how does that energy transfer to propulsion power in the concept of nuclear rockets? Sorry if is a retarded question btw

>>14600672
Steam boilers are too heavy for space so they either use a different cycle to spin turbines (called nuclear-electric), or shove propellant directly through the reactor to accelerate it (called nuclear-thermal). Nuclear thermal is basically a military toy for lots of endurance in Earth orbit because chemical rockets with propellant depots and aerobraking end up being more efficient and longer lived (see Starship). Nuclear electric is our best current way of getting to the main asteroid belt and Jupiter but is too slow for reasonable manned transfers to Saturn. For that we'd want fusion propulsion.

>>14600624
orbital drifting

>>14600624
Gravity assist

>>14600686
It should be called like that.

https://www.lroc.asu.edu/posts/1261

They found the crash site of the mystery rocket stage on the Moon, it made a decent dent (29m) and it left a double crater.

>>14600678
Fusion's real competitor isn't NEP or NTP, which indeed is pretty lackluster, but instead beam-powered propulsion which gives fusion like performance only the power source doesn't have to have insane alpha(kg/kW) as it's external and in addition to powering multiple ships(or weapons, both kinetic and directed-energy) it can be used for regional power production. This is what DARPA or Space Force will eventually realize after they figure out that the slightly increased delta-v of their current projects is worth fuck all.

>>14600308
why? he can return to his home planet whenever it wants

>>14600506
They wanted to launch ExoMars on Proton. Fucking nuts.

>>14600798
He was exiled here for being a weirdo.
Knowing that his homeworld will shoot his craft down if he ever tries to leave Earth, he's attempting to escape into the metaphysical digital frontier, TRON-style.

>>14600806
Tack that on to the parachute problems they were having and even if it survived to Mars orbit there was a very good chance it becomes the latest victim of the curse

>>14600622
>>14600782
Oddly I was just reading Projectrho and came across this article that address both the X-37 and military operations in space. It's a good read for the uninitiated.

http://www.projectrho.com/public_html/rocket/torchships.php#nocrusier

>>14600353
kek

/sfg/ has no idea of the deep forbidden knowledge I have acquired from reading Projectrho/Atomic Rockets and playing KSP RO/RSS.

When you were partying

I studied spent hours trying to figure out why my RCS thrusters weren't working and genociding Kerbals on stupid poorly planned mission

When you were having premarital sex

I read about every propulsion method ever devised.

And now that spaceflight has become popular again, you have the audacity to come to /sfg/ and ask a question?

>>14600861
One thing that’s always bugged me about future tech and atomic rockets. So back in WWII, the prop engine was outclassed by the jet engine. Fine, makes sense.
Let’s say it’s 200 years into the future and we already have fusion drives to cross the solar system. What would be the “jet engine” in this scenario? How do you improve on that?

This is gonna sound corny but childhood is idolizing the shuttle, adulthood is realizing it was a mistake

>>14600871
Well you can do a lot if your spacecraft doesn't have to carry reaction mass thus isn't a victim to the rocket equation but if we're talking onboard propulsion I don't think anything can beat antimatter. One half gram of antimatter reacting to a half gram of matter has the equivalent energy to the bomb dropped on Nagasaki, it's basically end game propulsion unless they find a loophole in the laws of physics.

>>14600877
I wasn't that interested in spaceflight as a kid and coming to it as an adult without being emotionally attached to things like spaceplanes it made it quickly apparent the industry surrounded by dogma. It's hard to fault the average space enjoyer when the topic is complex and it's difficult to develop good working knowledge of spaceflight but there are so many 'experts' that don't know what they're talking about yet their claims get repeated as fact.

There is also the issue poor with resource allocation, like the thousands of people working for bullshit small-lift launch companies who don't realize that they're wasting their life building a rocket that no one needs. Beyond reusability or reliability, another dead-end is developing better chemical engines since they are already at the upper limit of their potential specific impulse. They could weigh literally nothing and the benefit still wouldn't be that large.

>>14600210
that nerva shuttle was not within the bounds of realism. how are they supposed to service the engine?

>>14600877
Shuttle wasn't a mistake, senate was.

>>14600861
but have you acquired the knowledge of how to use projectrho-tier engine tech in RSS? because i sure haven't...

>>14600961

>>14600954
That forbidden knowledge is contained in KSP 2: Electric Boogaloo

>>14600961

>>14600943
A few decades ago it would be easier to care about some new companies building smaller rockets. It still would have only been a start toward something that could put larger amounts of equipment and people places while cheap enough to be frequent.

>>14600778
Why can't the Chinese just admit that it's their junk, lol? Like, wasn't this the norm during Apollo era to slam the moon with an S-IVB every time an astronaut set foot on the moon?

>>14600600
Need more info on the physics of this.
Why is it more efficient to use aero to do inclination changes than simply burning?
The drag from doing an aero manuever needs to be counteracted so you don't end up de-orbiting yourself, and any large maneuver will create a lot of drag losses.

china is doing chopsticks too
https://twitter.com/CNSpaceflight/status/1540634655921152000

>>14600961
>>14600969
>>14600979
this show jumped the shark

>>14600961
YOU DON'T NEED GIGANTIC FUCKING SHIPS TO GET TO MARS DAMMIT

>>14600868
You will never have an sfg gf

>>14601044
At least the Chinese know a thing or two about chopsticks

>>14600979
same energy

>>14600979
There's bit of cool factor in captain's chair, but really, the decision to "manually" traverse sounds like a dumb decision. Or maybe we're being mislead and most of it will be automated but some big picture parts will be manually or atleast manually inputted so the computer can change the course.

>>14601073
We should give Zubrin his personal MiniStarship, but we definitely need GIGANTIC FUCKING SHIPS on the orbit of every planet, and their moons.

>>14600979
>>14601128
> trek style gigantic bridges with le centre seat for le captain
mfw

>>14601149
Cramped bridges/cockpits are for Ivans

>>14601140
>most of it will be automated
It'll be this, then Kinoman will get mad when he realizes his button inputs aren't actually doing anything, then some disaster will happen far from Earth where he has to be given control for real this time, tension raised blah blah blah.
It's all so tiresome.

>>14600961
What's this?

>>14600353
Hobgoyim

https://twitter.com/katlinegrey/status/1540589095465918465

Cosmonaut going to SpaceX to train for Crew Dragon

>>14601156
SENPAI

>>14601174
For those who haven't see the show, SENPAI stands for Space Encounter: National Project for Astronomical Intelligence. It's a mouthful, so people usually use the acronym.

>>14601152
Shuttle cockpits weren't roomy, nor will any manned Starships be. Mass and volume limits can't be handwaved away

>>14601174

>it's been three (3) years since the last falcon heavy launch

>>14601174
Fucking hell. Glad I never got into it.

>>14601183
Shuttle was carrying its own space station module when needed

>>14601169
milfchads we cant stop winning.

>>14601219
you mean sortie can

>>14601221
We never lose. However, I don't know what your picture has to do with that.

>>14601232
Sorta

>>14601205
lmao, now everyone here will call it like that. reminds me of AMD MAX from /f1/

>>14601221
Very nice. Now let's se the backside

>>14601244
is very hard to believe that no one has ever fucked on space yet, there has to be a higher mile club somewhere.

>>14601149
That thing is carrying a space hotel as its habitation module, of course it have a roomy bridge.

Assuming they have the same kinds of budgetary constraints, what should NASA have done instead of the space shuttle?
Upgraded, man rated Atlas for crew launch and an Energia style HLV?

>>14601232
>Skylab wasn't a space station but instead an "orbital workshop"
>Spacelab wasn't a mini space station module but instead a "sortie can"
NASA really were dead set on reserving the title of "space station" back in the day

>>14601232
>>14601274
It seems like a political naming

>>14599872
both have been shifted to 2023-24

>>14601307
What the fuck is wrong with Space Force? They've been delaying that mission for almost two years.

>>14601326
Old industry's incompetence
Or
Musk's competence

Or combination of both

>>14601326
"Space force" sounds so funny to me still. like if it was a comedy show or something. did at least one of them go to space?

>>14601331
Someone did make a "Space Force" show. No I haven't seen it, I don't know anybody who has.

How loud will a 9 engine static fire be compared to a 1 engine static fire?

>>14601331
One of NASA astronauts transferred to Space Force while on the ISS, so there's that.

>>14601337
9 times louder duh

>>14600890
The loophole is the amount of energy needed to create that shit, and the efficiency of the conversion process. There might be issues with storage too, but I'll worry about that after you've made your half a gram first.

>>14601149
>>14601152

>>14601326
Brandon.

>>14598782
so, when will B7 start cooming with its 33 raptors ?

>>14601366
Give me two weeks. First I need to set up an automated facility for creating solar power sails on Mercury, they'll be shot into orbit with a mass accelerator before getting into position close around the sun which is where the antimatter is to produced. What's that you say? Shut up and take your money? Sorry, we're currently closed to investors but we are accepting suicidal researchers who won't care if everything in a 10,000 km radius gets annihilated during experiments.

Can anyone recognize the 3 satellites on these stamps? Google isn't getting me much

https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=56619.0

Someone translated the Chinese state space agency's analysis of Starship aerodynamics stages.

>>14601462

>>14601472

>>14601462
>China actively analyzing Starship
def designing a clone

>>14601476
I'm certain NASA/ULA/BO/others have made their own analysis

>>14601476
china has been analyzing spacex since their first falcon 1 launch

>>14601479
>>14601476
If you always copy the best, wont make you one of the best as well eventually with all the things learnt. Like what happens on F1?

>>14601459
Very obscure, they appear to be Cuban satellites from the Interkosmos program.

>>14601459
>>14601510
Most African nations were close with the Soviet union.
They would've printed stamps from their commie brethren.

>>14601331
>says "movies" and "walkie talkie" without blinking
>can't bring himself to say "space force" even when "air force" also exists
pretending that space force sounds dumb is the worst normie meme in recent memory

>>14601510
And another one. I was starting to question if they ever existed off paper.

>>14601528
My guess is no.

>>14601510
>>14601528
Thanks! My guess for the last one would be some ESA or American commsat

>>14601510
I can find some that have the same basic shape, but none with that protrusion.
And the shape is fairly common for early satellites.

>>14601459
>>14601510
Found it. DS series.
https://space.skyrocket.de/doc_sdat/ds-u2-m.htm

>>14601546
Good find, anon.

>>14601528
>>14601546
The other one is:
https://www.hvezdarna.cz/magion1/index.php/ceskoslovenska-druzice-magion-1/