/sci/ - Science & Math

Why did they expect a person who had already abandoned his homeland to seek personal wealth and glory to remain loyal to the University of Arkansas or to his adopted country? That was an irrational expectation, the man had already demonstrated he was incapable of loyalty. Some suicidal messiah complex woketard administrator probably thought they were being anti-racist for hiring a foreigner.

I won't name my school, but there were a lot of Chinese EE professors. The one I had for an advanced math class always let us out early, gave no homework, and we had 2 open book exams. He told us we shouldn't even be getting graduate degrees. He worked with a Chinese student in the glass for thesis stuff though. I had another one for a photovoltaics class. Also easy as fuck and always said "don't even waste your time on solar, China already has the process perfected. If you do research pick something else." A couple of them died mysteriously after I left.

>>14595743
the only reason why foreign people go to american labs is to
1) get paid more
2) have access to better equipment
Nobody said anything about loyalty to the US government lmao. People are not there to care about american politics and national security since they're not american anyway. They're there to get paid and do something they like or boost their authority in a scientific community.

>>14595780
I habeeb it.

>>14595743
>University of Arkansas’s policy is that it owns all inventions developed by its researchers

>>14595743
>hire a slant-eye with some weird-ass name like "Saw-Teong Ang"
>it turns out he works for the chinks

>https://patents.justia.com/inventor/simon-saw-teong-ang
>Dimmable LED lamp
>Smart dimmer switch for maintaining constant luminance in a lighting environment
Oh yeah, he's been doing some real groundbreaking work there. They might even contract him to make a multi-setting LED lamp next time if we're lucky. I guess China's gotta get their electric dildo and coffeemaker schematics somewhere. Give me a break, this is just a ceremony more than anything, something to appease the masses and make it seem like we even care about China at all.

>>14595812
"loyalty to the US government" isn't even what this is about, anyone who honestly believes this chinkoid has done any research of revelance is deluded. This is just another contract between China and universities to launder US patents into the Chinese system so they can continue making their Chinesium knockoffs and the Uni can keep their slave wage professor. The entire trial, one year in prison, it's essentially just a slap on the wrists for the uni. I don't even know why we try this, the whole thing is the reason why we can keep electronics prices low. Yes, circumvention of US patent law is the thing keeping consumers from getting assraped by prices.

>covid
>chinese students bye bye
>australian professors discover the true meaning of "tenure"
It really is a fucking joke

>>14595966
>patents
nigger who cares

>>14595763
No a single immigrant will ever be loyal to a host nation or influence bloc unless they were born in that bloc. They are rootless profiteers by definition and will sell out to the highest bidder.

The early 2010s sentiment of openness was based on the incorrect assumption that third world countries are seeking to become more like OECD nations.

The problem is that many old, conservative administrators still hold this outdated view which is what allows corruption and subversion to seep into Western and OECD countries.

>>14595780
This could be MIT lol.

>>14595812
Except American taxpayers fund the universities and research grants therefore when they sell out their identity for American money and equipment it comes with certain conditions. Your attitude is delusional and that is evident by how many of you are ending up in jail because of your naivety.

>>14596015
the only reason why we end up in jail is because we are caught, i wouldn't follow american law even under the threat of death sentence

>>14596026
Post reported to the NSA, enjoy your audit ricedick.

>>14596010
Political refugees are different. Many of the Cubans and Vietnamese who came to America fleeing communism are fiercely loyal to America, moreso than most native born Americans.

>>14596031
>Many of the Cubans and Vietnamese who came to America fleeing communism are fiercely loyal to America, moreso than most native born Americans.
Only in the first gen, the second gen tends to very anti-Western with a minority of very pro-Western individuals.

>>14596034
True.

>>14595780

The deal is: how can an over-saturated market (Academia and Tenure positions in the US) is being filled with asians and foreigners of all types ?

Do you guys know how hard it is to get ONE single tenure position after a DECADE of studies inside university ?

Im sure Ivies are still getting plenty of trillions of dollars of investment, but WHO exactly is being benefited here ? the Lab Rats ?

>>14596047
>how can an over-saturated market (Academia and Tenure positions in the US) is being filled with asians and foreigners of all types ?
Favouritism, racial and ethnic discrimination.

Whites are dumb for not doing it and therefore deserving of their genocide.

https://archive.is/RalH2

It really is dead.

>Even if you have high citations, most likely only people from your field or those you interacted with (so that’s how they heard about your work) have generated those citations. That doesn’t mean they fully understood your paper and spent enough time trying to read through every detail that you’ve worked so hard on. Your paper will be forgotten very soon. You only need it as another bonus to your CV to advance your career, not to make actual contribution. Science is not about speed. It took Richard Feynman decades to come up with his ideas for quantum electrodynamics, simply by accumulating and reviewing existing knowledge in physics. Rushing won’t help you make a contribution. But as of today, academic science is all about the disgusting Publis Or Perish
culture, implicitly created by the need to seek finance from grant-givers who don’t praise slowness.
It’s interesting that I feel that writing a post here on Quora about academia being a bad life choice may have even more impact than writing research papers.

>High competition in academia is due to lack of positions. There are more nerds than there is money for them. This creates certain rules that many have to follow in order to allow for easier selection of appropriate candidates. The filtering process may not even involve scientific criteria in any way! Wrote a tiny bit of doubt in your research statement when applying for a tenure-track position rather than highly-emotional passion-fueled motivational crap (doubt is a normal part of cognitive process in science, assholes!)? Next!

>(Applies to the Western segment of academia) Highly politicized campuses. This is related to the previous point also, since if you don’t follow the rules, you’re outta college. Said a terrible joke during a lecture to amuse your students? Out of college, you sexist/racist dick! Also, enjoy visiting tons of so-called “trainings” about PC culture and diversity.

>>14595743
dude looks like an OG. he could do year standing on his head and go to china a ceo. thats a pretty good deal.

Reading these quora answers.. absolutely depressing. Europoors, dont even try

And finally Anon's:

>>14596064
That guy is a known loser that spends 80 hours a week writing shitty Quora posts. Him and all the Indian posters there are obsessed with Western job markets and have warped persepctive of them.

Don't mind them. Their audience are other late 20s browncel losers who are becoming disillusioned with Western countries after naively believing for years that they would get a free restart in life.

>>14596065
What a gay post. Meanwhile in reality 60% of the world's millionaires are from new money, 90% of the service sector in tech didn't even exist 30 years ago.

We are set for a biotech revolution and the losers who miss out are gonna complain in the same way the losers who missed out on tech and crypto do.

>>14595908
That's a common policy, in both academic and the private sector.

In the few years before I left, my school got a literal PhD in chemistry just to teach high school chemistry.

>>14596071
>>14596076
I know. But these people's situations might be way more common than you think. I mean, come on anon, how many people do read this stuff ? know about quora, 4chan, etc.. and has this understanding of the job market.
Most of the people that you see in school, university, on the job.. never read a single piece of literature outside of their course's bibliography (if even that).

You would be absolutely shock how many braindeads are joining the TI / Software market because it gives "a lot of money" in third world countries. I sometimes wonder, what will become of the software industries, if this is another delusion

>>14596071
>>14596076
I know. But these people's situations might be way more common than you think. I mean, come on anon, how many people do read this stuff ? know about quora, 4chan, etc.. and have this understanding of the job market.
Most of the people that you see in school, university, on the job.. never read a single piece of literature outside of their course's bibliography (if even that).
You would be absolutely shocked to know how many braindeads are joining the TI / Software market because it gives "a lot of money" in third world countries. I sometimes wonder what will become of the software industry.. if this is another delusion.

>>14596087
>>14595908
It's a misunderstood policy. The university does not own the entire patent, it owns a part of it, usually because it partly for its development just like private companies do. The actual reason is because they provide startup funds for postgrads/postdocs who want to start companies with that IP. A lot of the time they do not take ownership if they don't invest. In many other grants they are not actually allowed to patent the work.

>>14596096
>I mean, come on anon, how many people do read this stuff ? know about quora, 4chan, etc.. and have this understanding of the job market.
A lot actually, whether they really comprehend what they read is another matter. Third worlders are commonly targetted by a lot of scam companies that promise them jobs that don't exist or human trafficking propoganda. They get a very retarded perception of what Western countries are actually like and then make the most bitter demoralisation posts about racism, discrimination and shitty job markets and culture in Western countries when their delusions are broken.
>>14596096
>You would be absolutely shocked to know how many braindeads are joining the TI / Software market because it gives "a lot of money" in third world countries. I sometimes wonder what will become of the software industry.. if this is another delusion.
Well this is very common because people are really retarded about researching job markets which, tbf, is not easy to begin with. Governments purposely hide employment rate data to keep salaries low and domestic companies competative. It's hilarious when I see retards study CS/IT in Europe, which doesn't have a tech industry, and then they expect US tier salaries. There are also huge myths surrounding prestige and translatability of degrees too. It's common to see stupid shit like "you can work anywhere with an Engineering degree". The reality is that graduating from a specific department gives you access to a (usually local) specific job market (again based on local industry). Even international companies have a relatively small number of recruitment pools, and those are based on incredibly random universities, not the ones people usually assume (ex. Washington and Arizona are some of the best for tech in America). I targetted my own uni because I researched it and saw the locsl aerospace companies heavily recruit from it.

>>14596130
The lesson should be that you should always look at where alumni are actually hired and for what salaries. If the department doesn't post stats on that it's usually trash. Never, EVER study a degree just to get the degree.

And finally for academia don't go to deparment with shitty research groups. The grants are not distributed like you think it is. Sadly carving out new research communities is next to impossible.

I don't know a single PhD alumni who is native and wanted a Professorship who didn't get it. Don't let people gaslight you, if you work hard you can make it.

>>14596130
>It's hilarious when I see retards study CS/IT in Europe, which doesn't have a tech industry, and then they expect US tier salaries.

This is exactly what is happening to countries like Russia, Brazil, China.
It is so much propaganda is unbelievable.

>>14595743
FBI should aim higher. Who the fuck has put Marx into the cirriculum?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iuo6IJXRR04

>>14596216
>Who the fuck has put Marx into the cirriculum?
The CIA.

>>14596217
Why though? Can FBI arrest the CIA officials for treason?

>>14596047
Often times faculty of all types, so both teaching and research, can be filled with just about anyone at any minor university, it's not a hard job any midwit with a doctorate can fill it good enough. Though if it's filled with an Asian the university will generally be looked upon more favorably by foreign institutions, and for the time being every uni's income is overwhelmingly from foreign students. American universities are basically addicted to foreign students, they have to take them because they've grown themselves to a bloated baseline, where just to stay solvent they need the income.

>>14596096
Nobody asked you pajeet.

>>14596169
It's not propaganda per se. it's really their best shot to leave their country and get to the US. The problem is that for every 1000 degrees they award, the US will select only a handful. What this mean is 99% of those earning these shit degrees were simply not good enough or rich enough to make the travel. They're the ones who are bitter, but they didn't suffer from propaganda. They simply weren't good enough. Which itself is damning. Whenever I saw a stupid pajeet in my department I had to remind myself this was some of the best that county had to offer.

>>14596256
>The problem is that for every 1000 degrees they award, the US will select only a handful.
You also need to take into account that they will suffer through some even bigger filter inside the US. The company can also terminate the contract. Foreigners do not instantly become middle class and live the American dream, much likely they will be lower than 2nd class citizens; they can fake it, but it is what it is.

>>14596268
I've seen this happen a lot. They're unable to get a good job in industry or academia. But they also don't want to return to their third world countries. So they'll take any bottom feeding job here they can, and their boss knows they can get away with it too. I know a guy who's stuck doing adjunct work as his whole career. Idk how he's surviving but he says he'd rather work a single adjunct job here than go back to his homeland.

>>14596280
Yes, basically some kind of castle of papers, a pipe dream. Then you get into those retarded videos on YouTube: "I financed my house in the US" Congratulations, you literally financed your whole life, hope you have the money to safeguard it

>>14596231
Less than 4.6% of American students are international students...

>>14596047
In 2013-2014 when I was finishing my ph d and trying to get a post doc in mathematics is when this point reality hit me in the face at 2000miles/hr. It was amazing to me that every foreigner was vying for a US job and always had their home country as a fall back plan to get an academic job so they were safe either way. To put in succinctly in early 2013 I was a blithe center-center-left kinda guy, by end of 2014 I had realized that the wrong side won WW2

>>14596256
>it's really their best shot to leave their country and get to the US
What do you even mean by this? Feeling the need to move to a white majority country full of people that hate you in itself is falling for propoganda. Abandoning your entire identity, roots, culture and family for the chance of making a little more money is not a light decision.

People have a completely wrong perception of what it means to be an immigrant. They look at the top grads from IIT and Tsinghua and assume their lives will be like that. Then when they get into debt and fail to make it to anything resembling the living standards they expected they post stupid demoralizing shit on the internet which is then misunderstood by people who come from better backgrounds.

>>14596268
>You also need to take into account that they will suffer through some even bigger filter inside the US.
It's not even a filter. The system is designed like that. The H1B visa literally exists so that companies can hire us, not for our expertise, but to drive native wages down and make domestic companies more competative.

If you cannot accept your role in this system and you think you are special and above everyone else then you absolutely will not make it. If you come because you love the work culture and you don't have expectations of upper quartile salaries and middle class lifestyles then you will not be disappointed.

>>14596280
It's no different than American researchers moving to China. At the very best you will be an adjunct who is basically some native Professor's bitch your whole career. Same thing in Europe including many EU citizens who invest too much in their immigrant destination without a better plan.

>>14595743
>University of Arkansas’s policy is that it owns all inventions developed by its researchers
>"HURR WHY DID THIS DUDE DO SOMETHING SO HE ACTUALLY BENEFITS FROM HIS LABOR?!?! DADDY GUBMINT HELP ME!!"