/sci/ - Science & Math

>>14581959
>Flyback first stage
>Expendable second stage
>Reusable winged orbiter the size of Dreamchaser
Could it have worked?

Third for Firefly Alpha, just doing its best.

>>14581958
I'm sorry to hear that, anon

Nuclear rockets.

>>14581970
I actually made the decision to quit in 2 years (RSUs and other reasons) to pursue a coding job at a space contractor when I realized there were so many near where I live.

>>14581972
Nice powerpoint, like 20 years old

>>14581959
FTS Archive
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1KCJBL632oieD1r6JOh_5Eg9NTcf_-hH8?usp=sharing

Shuttle-C was the way. Give it a reusable engine pod that deorbits manually and liquid flyback boosters and you could probably get a flight per month, maybe more.

>>14581969
It didn't do good enough to keep its creator from being thrown out

>>14581985
Most based space CEO, Tom Markusic

So out of Firefly/Astra, who do you think will go bust first?

>When Astra launches its rockets, they're not sending their best. They're not sending Falcon 9. They're not sending Delta IV. They're sending rockets that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing RUDs. They're bringing payload losses. They're con artists. And some, I assume, are good engineers.
>But I speak to TROPICS project managers and they tell us what we're getting. And it only makes common sense. It only makes common sense. >They're sending us not the right rockets.
It's coming from more than Astra. It's coming from all over Boeing and Firefly, and it's coming probably — probably — from Lockheed Martin. But we don't know. Because we have no audits and we have no competence, we don't know what's happening. And it's got to stop and it's got to stop fast.

>>14581992
Astra

>>14581996
Where’s this from?

>>14581996
Yes Mr. President.

>When Astra launches its rockets, they're not sending their best. They're not sending Falcon 9. They're not sending Delta IV. They're sending rockets that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing RUDs. They're bringing payload losses. They're con artists. And some, I assume, are good engineers.
>But I speak to TROPICS project managers and they tell us what we're getting. And it only makes common sense. It only makes common sense. They're sending us not the right rockets.
>It's coming from more than Astra. It's coming from all over Boeing and Firefly, and it's coming probably — probably — from Lockheed Martin. But we don't know. Because we have no audits and we have no competence, we don't know what's happening. And it's got to stop and it's got to stop fast.

>>14581992
I feel like Firefly's new corporate overlords see value in the non-launch stuff, so if Alpha shits the bed, they might keep the rest of the company on life support for a couple years longer. More likely though, Alpha will work well enough to keep Firefly afloat for a few years.
Astra is built around one of the worst rockets of all time, is less diversified, and is subject to the full wrath of public trading. They'll go first.

>>14581981
You should be glad that you can't strangle people over the internet yet. Your """opinion""" warrants stoning

Will Amazon Kuiper be a good contender to Starlink? what other companies are doing internet megaconstellations?

>>14582001
>>14582000
OC copypasta from the Mexico isn’t sending their best speech. Deleted and reposted cause I fucked the formatting the first time

>>14582005
Elaborate. It would work.

I can personally tell you the open letter is an absolute nothingburger signed only by white collar slackers in marketing and a handful of engineers in avionics with too much time on their hands. The people on the shop floors putting wrenches to bolts and engineers who are crushing issue tickets had this letter barely even register on their radar; we were actually working instead of fucking around on Teams and Twitter.

>p.s. the froyo flavor is chocolate swirl

>>14582013
Did the tranner who fucked up the slides sign it?

>>14582007
Forgot pic

>>14582013
This was already known. People with too much time on their hand had their hands on crafting the letter. The only people thats got too much hands on their time are the slackers in office.

>>14582013
The knower has arrived

>>14582007
Wont happen until 2025+. By that time, SpaceX Starlink V2 would be ready and we'll see 1Gbps+ speeds on Starlink with lasers and stable connections allaround.

>>14582013
Isn’t this like common knowledge? Only 5 people wrote it and were fired. Literally nothing

>>14582002
Love him or hate him, he's the most memeable president.

>>14582027
>most memeable president
Until Musk becomes president himself.

>>14582027
When Biden joked to the BBC he wasn’t going to speak to them because he was Irish I laughed pretty hard, tbqh.

>>14581975
It's actually from a year ago.

>>14582029
President of Mars

>>14582034
>Falling for the democracy meme
He'll be emperor.

>>14582034
>doesn't know what Elon means

I think the upper stage guys are finally getting to the bottom of the recurring fuel pressure problems. They're reviewing data all the way back to LV0007 so far.

>>14581992
Firefly. There are ex Firefly people working at Astra but not the reverse and Astra has multiple years of runway with cash on hand.

>>14582007
Kuiper is a mismanaged joke. Amazon is not good at space in the same ways BO is not good at space, for the same reason.

>>14582042
who the fuck are these homosexuals that keep making anime girls of rockets. i know its not the japs, not even they are this cringe

>>14582046
Anime rockets are alright. WWII pilots would draw noseart on their planes. It adds soul to the vehicle.

>>14582042
Fuckkkk seriously? I really liked firefly. I thought the Astra situation was bad as in “we might die this year” bad.

>>14582046
What does homosexuality have to do with it, though?

>>14582041

https://youtu.be/y820utm9r4

https://youtu.be/yEKTkOAj14s
Check this out; spinlaunch will build hundreds of satellites (thousands?)

>>14582042
>Astra has multiple years of runway with cash on hand
lol, try multiple quarters. At the rate you're burning now, you'll barely make it through another year. Joke's on me though as I'm still holding your bags. If another TROPICS fails I'm out, not that it matters anymore.

>>14582092

>>14582092
the grand delusion continues

>>14582092
LC49

>>14582107
>you have built one tower
>YOU CANNOT POSSIBLY BUILD THREE

>>14582110
Its scientifically illegal to build more towers because Elon Musk isn't an engineer. He SpaceX builds more than 1 tower, I'll eat my hat and move to next goal post.

>>14582095
I got the two years number speaking to a VP this week. Go cry on /smg/ about it.

Stage Zero for Superheavy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kKm9417ywQ

LC-39A will have a pad and LC-49 will have two

>>14582115
Even if you make it two years, you'll be crushed by SpaceX rideshares with boosters on their 25th flight. The paradigm has shifted, and you're still trying to beat Falcon to the punch when SpaceX is already building its replacement.

>>14582112
spacex bought the tower, they didnt build it

>>14582115
Two years is really the bare minimum of multiple, lol. Anyways good for you, I do hope that Astra survives, but it's not looking great right now. And you really shouldn't disseminate MNPI on 4chan. Especially financials.

Astranon I live near alameda. We should hang sometime

>>14582133
sfg/4ASS should get a booth at IAC

>>14582133
He'll have plenty of time once the lay off starts in few months

elon didn't even invent building towers, that was the babylonians. why are people still falling for this?

>>14582144
The Israeli American Conference?

>>14582147
>once the lay off starts in few months
that reminds me
the layoffs in crypto are huge right now
mass suicide incoming

>>14582155
Crypto is fucking stupid. For every one story of a guy making millions you have thousands of dudes who lose money. Legitimately just modern casinos

>>14582116
Wrong webm

>>14582160
Disgusting amount of complexity. One QD arm for each engine. Who designed this trash?

>>14582158
just like how the internet was stupid in 2001, right

https://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/99086223
png available here :3

>>14582173
Uh huh.

>>14582179
CUTE!

>>14582173

I hope there's a starship among the first colonization fleet that is named Fagioli.

>play rp1
>accept mars sample return contract because i have saturn v up and running so this should be easy
>design a perfectly nice 1.5 ton ascent stage with 4 km/s delta v
>it's too small for the smallest docking port
>widen it and slap the docking port on
>now it needs more delta v, stretch the tank
>now the chutes need enlarged to slow it down enough for descent, enlarge them
>now it doesn't have enough TWR to lift off, add another engine
>now the craft is too heavy for the heat shield to slow it down enough for chutes to deploy, get a bigger heat shield
>now it's too much mass for the avionics, enlarge them
>now it needs more delta v
>repeat
i've been doing this for 3 days and i hate mars now

>>14581959
i made it bros

>>14582206
and that's why mars will never happen

>>14582241
>Not Duluth Space Force Base
Meh.

>>14582241
>bird tiger
?

>>14582241
you made it...to the place that almost killed spacex and continues to take advantage of them? fuck vandy up the ass. starship will never launch from there

>>14582206
I hate the rocket equation so much bros

>>14582257
How is the rocket equation even real just close your eyes and use nukes and pusher plates, just nuke a desert hahaha.

SLS in a wet dress, starting in 63 hours

can someone draw that please?

>>14582059
It's not quite that bad for Firefly. They've tried to diversify the same way Rocket Lab has by making parts for other people's payloads, and there's a lot of money to be made doing that. For more rocket specific stuff they're selling their Reaver engine to Astra for use in their Rocket 4, so they could live on as an Aerojet-like propulsion vendor. And they have their lunar cargo lander coming together so there's opportunities for work as a direct payload manufacturer. Orbital Science did a lot of good business running the Pegasus and Minotaur back in the day, but their main concern was always satellite construction. When you're looking at the space industry as a whole the launch services segment is a fairly small part of it.

The management shakeup makes things grimmer for Firefly over the short term, but they've got a deeper bench of opportunities to pursue. Astra has their one trick and that's it, and that's not very good because their one trick doesn't seem to work too well.

New hazegreyart.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y820utm9r4U

Oh, I missed that Rocketdyne vote scheduled for the 30th. There's a pretty nasty fight going on about the Lockheed merger.

>>14582278
>startup aspiring to be the next aerojew shekeldyne

>>14582002
>Text wall
Ctrl+C
This'll be some tasty pasta

near rectilinear halo orbit

>>14582295
Normally I'd say that making engines for other companies is a dumb idea since every other space startup is building their own engines... but Astra decided to outsource the engines for their next rocket. And selling engines is the one thing that Blue Origin might make a profit on in the next decade.

If it get you positive cash flow, it's not a dumb idea.

>>14582282
i wish he'd do vandy shuttle sometime. i know it's not some fancy unused design but it's just so kino.

oh no guys it's over for Elon, people in the Giga Berlin recent photo op making the hitler salute

>>14582241
that thing on the right kind of looks like a wojak

https://www.theverge.com/2022/6/17/23172915/elon-musk-spacex-letter-fired-legal-protected-speech-nlrb

>>14582396
No one cares

>>14582396
>To be covered, an action has to be concerted (certainly the case here) and it has to relate to working conditions
Nothing in that email mentioned working conditions lmao. Another nothingburger
It’s a case where you just say something a lot as part of a wider campaign of saying a lot of things all the time and it simply becomes accepted as true because you don’t follow up when it’s proven untrue.

>>14582396
I know the rule of law has been non existent for awhile but its a vain hope the case law starts shellacking political activists ruining dozens and dozens of companies.

>>14582410
its more likely that the US will balkanize than legitimate rule of law reestablishing itself

>>14582396
Its a trashy liberal tabloid site trying to generate clicks.

I think SpaceX headquarters will move to Florida or Texas, depending on how things turn out for Starbase, mid terms elections, and DeSantis presidentship.

Earthers will not succeed in keeping us here, but they will be made to regret the attempt

>>14582436
The day of Reckoning will come for woke SpaceX employees who do not care about the mission and are only in there for cushy jobs. Musk has already asked critical staff to move to Starbase voluntarily to speed up the progress. A purge for SpaceX will happen sooner or later, even if headquarters isnt moved.

>>14582206
Kek

>>14582445
Why leave it in california though?
I think it is just a matter of time

https://mobile.twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1537997091800092679

>>14582512
holy shit

>>14582512
His fucking autism needs to be contained.

>>14582516
>>14582523
When did we start getting infested with tourists

>>14582512
another similar one

https://mobile.twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1537883083461959680

>>14582512
>>14582535
Play stupid games, win stupud prizes. The people fired are finished working in this industry. I wonder if they think it was worth it.

someone needs to be spanked

>>14582512
at this point twitter should ban him

>>14582535
I hate to agree with a twitter fag but it’s true. Twitter has totally broken peoples brains, they now think that what amounts to callout posts and hashtag trending is the vehicle for change.
Frankly, this email was even more embarrassing if you do think they should be against musk. It was just pathetic, toothless and completely ineffectual and couldn’t have been anything else.
There’s no way those employees were engineers either

>>14582270
They're going to fuel up like they would launch and then ignore any potential warning signs because SLS must launch before Starship.

>>14582551
>and then ignore any potential warning signs because SLS must launch before Starship.
I can believe that they will ignore warning signs and fuck things up. I cannot believe that they care about launching before or after Starship.
That doesn't seem like NASA at all

>>14582559
Agreed on both counts

>>14582512
Was it good advice?

>>14582616
indians need nuking

>>14582616
good advice for becoming an incel school shooter maybe. anyone that reads jordan peterson needs to be put on a watch list

>>14582623
Self help in general is meaningless garbage but you need to dilate immediately

In not-Twitter news, Ariane 6 delayed again. It might actually be a good thing, though:
https://arstechnica.com/science/2022/06/europes-major-new-rocket-the-ariane-6-is-delayed-again/

Amazon bought 18 launches as part of its massive space drive which may have funded the Ariane 6 to a level the ESA could not have done by itself. There's certainly a lot to talk about at their Vision 2030 meeting later this month.

>>14582489
JPL and NASA Ames are still the top tier of aerospace research in the US

It'd be really dumb not to have a local presence right next door (which is where SpaceX HQ is)

>>14582616
If you need advice from a drug addicted Canadian boomer telling you to clean your room you're already beyond hope.

>>14582674
Unironically, I don't see any hardware for the Ariane 6.

>>14582029
Not unless he "finds" his Hawaiian birth certificate.

>>14582160
sexual

lmao compare this Ariane disconnect test to the unga bunga disconnect video two threads ago >>14577788

>>14582701
Up until I saw this I had no idea that Ariane 6 is going to be actively fueled right up until it actually leaves the pad

I'm not sure how much extra fuel that adds but just for an example, the Falcon 9/Falcon Heavy waits about three to four seconds after ignition to release the clamps, so that is not an insignificant amount of fuel

>>14582701
that can't possibly be the real disconnect mechanism; surely they're just testing the plate and associated connectors that interfaces directly to the rocket - they'll develop the rest of the system after validating that the attachment point works, right? I'll eat a whole damn starship full of hats if the relativity QD ends up being a fucking I-beam with a weight on top that just rips the hoses off before launch.

Some spacewatcher just noticed China put out a NOTAM for a potential launch on the 19th

A1446/22 NOTAMN
Q) ZLHW/QRDCA/IV/BO/W/000/999/3808N10822E025
A) ZLHW B) 2206191340 C) 2206191630
D) 1340-1430, 1540-1630
E) A TEMPORARY DANGER AREA ESTABLISHED BOUNDED BY:
N380743E1074958-N382151E1084939-N380918E1085358-N375520E1075453
BACK TO START. VERTICAL LIMITS:SFC-UNL.
F) SFC G) UNL

A1447/22 NOTAMN
Q) ZXXX/QRDCA/IV/BO/W/000/999/3557N09237E567
A) ZLHW ZWUQ ZPKM B) 2206191340 C) 2206191630
D) 1340-1430, 1540-1630
E) A TEMPORARY DANGER AREA ESTABLISHED BOUNDED BY:
N312303E1023401-N331834E1020916-N350836E0994159-N363049E0954503-N36
2542E0952100-N422954E0853719-N425458E0843938-N403250E0824059-N40010
9E0834058-N354926E0941644-N351913E0943144-N314900E0965418-N311758E0
990743-N305741E1013202 BACK TO START. VERTICAL LIMITS:SFC-UNL.
F) SFC G) UNL

>>14582723
i mean if it works
who cares

>tracking objects in space is becoming a big business
>multiple startups are trying to get into the game
https://spacenews.com/getting-ssa-off-the-ground/

why isnt /sfg/ trying to break into it?

>>14582731
Spying on the new German satellite perhaps? That goes up almost ten hours later

>>14582735
But does it work? Astra seems to take the cheapness and jankiness ao far it negatively affecta performance
Things should be as simple as possible, but they have to actually work as well

>>14582701
>>14582723
We can see the difference in philosophy between newspace and oldspace just by tthese two videos.

>Arianespace
>Big-ass hydraulics pulling on loads of tubes, requiring pumps, reservoirs. spring-loaded failsafes and computer logic
>Gigantic protective door to seal everything off
>All of these dynamic events requiring PERFECT execution within a tiny timeframe, or something blows up
>Edited multicam setup with fade in and fade out effects, complete with ESA intro and outro
>Relativity
>Some insulated tubes that get yanked off by a falling I-beam, activated by a single latch. Simple and idiot proof
>Everything exposed to the elements (because you can't really damage an I-beam in the first place)
>CCTV camera feed that they just directly uploaded to Twitter

>>14582735
>>14582746
Relativity will use a cover too. the QD plate does not like being blasted by rocket exhaust.

>>14582623
The fuck? Listening to Peterson's advice is what got me out of being a neet, living whit his parents, to getting a great career. And a friend of mine stopped being a whiny little bitch, got his shit together and found a wife. Again, thanks to his advice.

>>14582623
His advice is literally just tame self help tips. The fuck are you on about?

>>14582791
He is, unironically, a foreign agitator.

>>14582623
Taking responsibility for your life is now being a school shooter? Lol
Because that is what I habe gathered basically, you are responsible for yourself
Stop whining, set goals and try to avhieve them even if they are hard and take a lot of work

>>14582794
The Anon, that is.

watching the new ep of for all mankind and they made the lunar base like the artemis design

https://mobile.twitter.com/peterrhague/status/1538089514370990080

> I predict that soon activists will attempt to put pressure on NASA to rescind SpaceX contracts. The kind of people who wrote that letter, and their supporters, have a totalitarian streak. If they can’t control an institution, plan B is to try and destroy it.

https://mobile.twitter.com/peterrhague/status/1538063345043271680

>>14582809
>>14582813
Don’t care

>>14581959
He had to fire these chuds, even 5% of workers conspiring against you in such company could mean they could weaken or sabotage certain parts of the rocket developments.
Imagine having some little rat making your progress slow down because on intentional mistakes.

Elon should do more cleansings from now on, if there are any direction brains he better get rid of them ASAP until they cause reputation damage from testing failures.

>>14582841
yeah might have to be a larger purge, but how to do it without it affecting production and so on?

>>14582841
He was retarded for firing them
He should have executed them via starship

>>14582855
That'd be cost they'll just have to bear. Woke power grabs can only be dealt with by cutting them out like the cancer they are; they are lethal.

>>14582319
I'll care once a BO engine actually makes it to orbit. There's still not a gram of anything from BO that has reached orbit yet.

>>14582365
>Wojak Icarus

>>14582007
Virgin has discussed launching their own constellation but at this point, it seems like Starlink is the only one making real progress while the others are mostly PowerPoints and regulatory games.

>>14582026
>Isn’t this like common knowledge?
The media has been portraying it like it's a huge workers revolt that's going to take down the company.

>>14582688

>>14582863
A nice comfy seat in the flame trench...
oops wait, there's no flame trench for Starship!

>>14582855
People who actually do the work that makes progress happen aren't usually the blue haired political agitators spamming their coworkers with surveys.

just woke up, the SF niggas told me Ocean Ave was gonna be closed towards Surf, the closest spot you can be to the pad

Was that the opening salvo of a power grab?

/1

>>14583058
/2

>>14583061

What are those tanks for?

>>14582029
N-no Caesar, you can't cross the Rubicon because muh rules and precedent.

>>14583064
>>14583061
>>14583058
So glad this thread with almost no engagement by a literallywho was posted AGAIN in this uh thread! And this time in screencap form! Thank you so much you brainless twitter dwelling faggot.

>>14583058
Good on them for rooting it out immediately. You let shit like "equity" fester in your company, you're fucked.

>>14583069
Did you forget how he ended up?

>>14583072
So be like Sulla or Augustus and take a stronger stance against degeneracy?

>>14583070
Calling Peter Hague a nobody on /sfg/. newfags I swear/

>>14582032
>launch
>2039
Holy fuck they are delusional if they think we will still need shit for mars in the 2040s. Mars won't even be the most recent body humans have landed on in 2039, new space is advancing exponentially faster than government-funded programs ever will be…RIGHT NOW. And they will only get faster

>>14583085
This is your brain on Muskism

>>14583083
Who?

>>14583095
and it's beautiful

The letter signers should have formed a mob, smashed their way into the headquarters, beat up security, and trespassed into musk's office, all while chanting "Hang Gwen Shotwell!".

Then posters here would just call it a "peaceful office tour" and deny that anything bad ever happened.

>>14583105
actually that's a mostly peaceful protest

Seeing Musk just walking going around without security makes me think bad thoughts
We need this man to be alive, without him we're fucked

As a ULA employee I always wished that Tory would take off his corporate mask one time and do some Elon tier shit posts but that dude is just too tightly wrapped

>>14583105
You have to set something on fire for it to be considered peaceful.

prepare for onboard kino

>>14583129
He seems easy going on social media usually interacting and posting kerbal memes

>>14582863
What about F9 fun ride?

Is spaceship 2.0 real? 18 fucking meters in diameter!?

>>14583155
Yes. I've seen it down at KSC.

LIVE

https://youtu.be/lCX-KUCn4A4

>>14583058
>>14583061
>>14583064
>spaceflight

LIVE

https://youtu.be/v7A0L4PCyC4

>fog everywhere
what the fuck, please tell me this won't get scrubbed for weather

>>14583193
Fog doesn't stop rocket launches, it's common in Vandenberg

>umlauts
Is this a Eurovision or an ad for trucks that move space things around?

>>14583193
The NRO glowies have a fog machine that they use to obscure their launches

How long is this commercial gonna last

Nice coast to coast trip

14 hours until the next falcon 9 launch after this

>>14583129
The Board of Directors would probably fire his ass. Tory is a snake but that's what makes him such a good figurehead. Responding to questions on Twitter, sending out signed ULA memorabilia, pretending to be a cowboy, it's all great public outreach. He only lets it slip that he is not as nice or well reasoned as he pretends to be in rare moments like when discussing reusability on R*ddit.

>>14583193
>fog
>stopping SpaceX
Did you forget that bizarre starship test?

>That roll

>>14583192
Based. Glad I got just in time for the launch

MaxQute

>>14583204
>fog bank conveniently is only over vandenberg according to the onboard shot

Miko!

>>14583181
they cant keep getting away with this

>cx is still in the industry
she should've stayed in wjsn instead of flopping around in permanugudom in china https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=su_qhJ3oKJY

is this going to land back on the pad?

>>14583246
down the road from it

Remember to look up and say hi to Sarah-1 and NRO tonight

smooth, oldspace humiliated once again

>>14583253
do they watch me jacking off ?

>>14583260
How does this guy that smoke pot get away with it?

>>14583261
The resolution is not good enough to see your penis, unironically.

>>14583267
can they see the motion tho ?

This didn't age well.

>>14583262
He didn't inhale.

>>14583236
Frequent fog at that location was one of the reasons for selecting it back in the Cold War days.

>>14583274
Falcon 9 costs about as much as Vega lolololol

Is anyone else kind of worried about the Starship launch? 20 holdown clamps needing to let go at the same time is scary.

>>14583271
Probably not, spy sats have a resolution of around 30 cm per pixel. What you can do is kidnap a dolphin from SeaWorld and then jerk it off outside, the NRO will either be furious or highly aroused.

>>14583280
Not really

>Biden just fell to near death
Musk wins again.

>>14583282
>t.

How long will it take to build the Florida starship tower?

How long did it take to build the one in Boca Chica?

How many Starlink sats are needed? The V2 says are 1.2 tons in mass and Starship will only carry 50-60 of them at a time.

>>14583293
Info from people is that it would be great if it was done and complete by December, but don’t expect a launch until 2023

>>14583293
the base sat there for a few months and then they got the rest of the tower up in a couple

>>14583294
Like 12k

>>14583297
>200 Starship launches
When’s this thing have to be complete? I heard they have a deadline.

SpaceX confirmed good initial orbit. More burns to follow.

>>14583300
2 weeks

>>14583300
I might be remembering it wrong, but I believe it was by 2027.

>>14583310
>200 Starship flights by 2027
No fucking way.

>>14583293
You can see the beginnings of the pad during SN15, which was May last year. Then they finished it added the chopsticks early this year. But now they have experience and all the sections finished ready for stacking. So probably by the end of the year.

>>14583312
>>14583307
Like let’s say they start in 2023. Thats 4 years to launch 12,000 satellites at 60 a time (V2 sats are huge).

>>14583312
They are still launching old version sats, when you think about it 200 F9 launches is possible in 5 years.

>>14583324
Honestly there’s about 2,000 in orbit now. That leaves 10,000 left. Weekly Starship and F9 Starlink launches let’s them put 3,000 sats a year.

>>14582947
the first Mars colonists better look like this, no uggos on a new world

>>14583331
but there is a tranny...

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYRwJHOu8hg
does sfg have what it takes?

>>14583346
bootcamp is only hard if you're 18 and think going to the best western in your state capital is a good vacation

>>14581959
SpaceX's HR is top retarded to comprhend my resume.

Elon is a moron for not facilitating his ethos.

>>14583344
yeah 2 bantus too, even Drax can't get around DEI mandates

>>14583354
you sound unhinged, post resume

>>14582115
>Implying the VP isn't bias and is trying to improve employee moral

Astra free cash flow is -50M$ per quarter and have 161M$ in cash and cash equivalents. You have about a year before you run out of money and have to fill for bankruptcy or try to refinance, which will crash the stock price into penny stock category. Check it out by yourself: https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/ASTR/cash-flow?p=ASTR..

Start handing out those resumes, anon.

>>14583293
By end of august, we'll likely have near completion.

>>14583058
>>14583061
>>14583064
This is actually interesting thanks.
But generally fuck twitter.

>>14581985
Who's this jawlet?

>>14583071
yeah, those were instant red flags, "gender spectrum", "equity", "diversity", etc., i'm sure musk recognized the woke speak immediately, and i loved shotwell's no-bullshit response. spacex is the real deal

>>14583058
Its not just an ideological power grab and creating division within the company, its singling out a person and trying to get that person removed for their personal political opinions.

Its a failed political purity crusade against the company founder/owner/lead.

>Reddit thread about Elon firing employees
15,000 Reddit points
>Reddit thread about Starbase getting a FONSI
>1,500 points

The fuck?

>>14583383
Musk/Shotwell ain't afraid of gender/racial diversity. They embraces it. You can see that throughout the company that many of his employees are of various gender/races. What they're not keen on is political purity litmus tests where their concrete actions don't matter or amount to nothing. Musk/Shotwell respects hardworking honest people of all backgrounds.

>>14583388

>>14583388
I don't know or care what those numbers mean

>>14583282
You have no idea what you're talking about —the NRO has had 6cm GSD (ground sample distance) satellites since the 70s

>>14583174
jesus christ that is huge. When do they plan to test that thing?

>>14583392
Actual diversity, cultural diversity, is great for innovation. It's no mistake that almost all of America's greatest inventors are first or second generation immigrants. Race and gender are memes—hiring an upper-middle class, suburban, ivy-league educated half-black man from connecticut and an upper-middle class, suburban, ivy-league educated woman from connecticut to """diversify""" your team of upper-middle class, suburban, ivy-league educated white men from connecticut accomplishes exactly nothing.

>>14583421
True diversity is hiring people based on merit, regardless of race or gender of sexual orientation. That’s what Elon and Gwynne want.
If the best astronaut in history was a gay black man, then let him land on Mars first. Because he’s the best.

>>14582809
>>14582813
Can you faggots include a screen cap
Fuck opening Twitter

>>14583293
>How long will it take to build the Florida starship tower?
2 weeks
>How long did it take to build the one in Boca Chica?
14days

>>14583434
Disregard

>>14582809
Surely such people must have addresses and names. Send Zeus to 'deal' with them in the night.

>>14583430
>>14583421
The problem with the left is successful people don't count towards diversity. It doesn't matter if they're racial minority, gender minority, has some disability, etc. What matters is they're successful people and therefore don't contribute to the narrative of "diversity" narrative purity.

>>14583445
I know. I’m a spic and it pisses me off too. The sad thing is that is “works.” A lot of people would rather wallow in their own misery than try to succeed and risk failure

>>14583445
That's how you know they're commies. The goal is to destroy capitalism, not to improve performance.

>>14583154
Spacex could design a BO style hop capsule that would absolutely mog new shepherd in a weekend

>>14583454
Destroying capitalism would be a great performance improvement

>>14583463
>>14583454
Scientifically speaking, if everyone's a failure then everyone's great because there's no measure to a failure.

>>14583463
Destroying (you) would be quicker and more effective

I do think that Elon should still be held accountable for saying off the wall shit. Not like leaving SpaceX accountable, but if a customer chooses to leave or they lose a contract because they pissed off a government official, so be it.
Live by the sword die by the sword, etc.

spacefight!

Sarah 1 Deployed! Confirmed by Germans. Nice work SpaceX.

>>14583331
>no uggos
I notice two problems with the accompanied image

>>14583482
God i wish

>>14583346
Space force boot camp makes no sense for a practically non military branch. The CIA doesn't have not camp

>>14583388
people are generally shallow and dumb

More to satalites and rockets than everyone realizes. Wonder where SpaceX gets its bearings?
https://www.bearing-news.com/launch-loads-in-space-applications-analysis-and-recommendations-for-design-optimization/

>>14583481
>but if a customer chooses to leave

so a free country

>they lose a contract because they pissed off a government official

This goes on all the time with no twitter shitposting. Also they don't care about shitposting, they care about things like keeping unions out of spacex or competiting with pork programs

>>14583407
Yet not one image like that has ever been released, it's almost like atmospheric distortion creates a diffraction limit.
>B-b-but they don't want to disclose their super secret 5 cm resolution they already disclosed.

>>14583567
I would say in house
But bearings are a bitch to make

Just got back from Gateway, this new attraction that opened up at Kennedy Space Center a couple days ago. It’s pretty cool, dreamchaser, falcon heavy side booster, cargo dragon, and a star tours esqe ride. 8/10 would recommend

>>14583596
real hardware or just scale models?

>>14583590
Didn't that trump picture he posted show res below the limit?

>>14583567
I work at a ball bearing and pin fabrication factory in Dahlonega, Georgia. Wonder if they use our balls.

>>14583596
Did you get any pics with your GF?

>>14583601
No, it's at least 10 cm per pixel and it looks like complete shit. Do you really think you could make a human penis out if there was one in this image?

>>14583346
shit wrong link sorry

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKPuumm_bfs

>>14583599
All the Spacex stuff has been to space and everything else is mock up. The dreamchaser is literally an inflatable model from the looks of it. Kind of a metaphor for the modern space landscape

>>14583606
would you tell people at the bar that your balls have been to space if they had?

>>14583609
You probably could with the right angle and a guy with a 12 incher

Please join us at the friendly and informative weekly Starbase show starting in a few minutes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYzdCM3CenI

>>14583293
If they've built one, building two is easy. Once SpaceX figures out how to build something, they're pretty good at building it again quickly.

If it were any other company, 10 years would be a safe bet. With SpaceX, maybe 10 days.

>>14583607
She’s an animated blue fox, so that’s not possible unfortunately

>>14583618
I have a 12 incher.

>>14583372
There is some good stuff there, just like 4chan
Mostly shit but occasional interesting nugget

>>14583599
Nigga not even SNC has a real Dream Chaser.

>>14583606
>>14583616
Well do they? Maybe you need to reach out to EX senator Shelby for a contract.

>>14583660
Proof?

>>14583660
That's not really that big. It's like bein 6'2". Sure it's more than average, but not really THAT impressive

>>14583679
Its 2 and a bit times larger than average
It would be like if anon was 12 foot tall

>>14583679
The average is 6 inches. Imagine being 2x the average height.

Could liquid boosters on the shuttle have made it better?

>>14583260

>>14583691
>The average is 6 inches
Really? I didn't realize the average was that small. I'll take back what I said then

redpill me on intelsat 708. What happened to the village

>>14583741
Its actually 5 inches average

>>14583596
That museum is impressive.

>>14583690
>>14583691
never forget

>>14583753
What village?

>>14583766
He's just like me

>>14583766
lmao

>>14583753
>Satellite technology was subsequently reclassified as a munition and placed under ITAR restrictions, blocking its export to China
Clearly a CIA false flag, gweilo
>>14583753
Mayelin Village

>>14583766
>The average is 400km? I though it was 100. This is very unsettling.

>>14583387
never underestimate leftists
these creatures don't stop attacking until they're crushed flat
there is neither morals nor humanity in their hearts, only infinite zeal for their crusade

>>14583784
lmao

Remember the shitposting when SpaceX won HLS? Those were good days.

If tonight's launch isn't postponed then SpaceX is launching every 6.5 days. And if they do launch everything planned it would be every 5.5 days.

>>14583792
kathy leuders and steve jurczyk are legendary for pushing that through, in defiance of congress, the biden administration, the soon to be confirmed NASA admin. and it cost them their jobs. the fucking balls on them

I’m going to be honest, spending nearly 0.5% of the US’ annual budget on space is still a lot of money. NASA’s problem isn’t their budget, it’s that they are fucking nonces when it comes to financing their operations. It’s not their fault 100% as congressmen like to abuse their powers and NASA’s willingness to do things, but still.

>>14583804
if things go as planned they will have cities on Mars named after them

Shuttle-C was the way to go. Back in 2009, a team proposed the Shuttle-C as an alternative to both DIRECT and the Constellation program. They correctly cited that even DIRECT needed extensive modifications to the shuttle core which would be a bigger problem than the DIRECT team believed. In hindsight, they were right.
Shuttle-C was a great idea and NASA just got too cocky. Even post-Challenger, the shuttle had 4-5 flights per year. And that was with crew on every flight. It’s totally possible Shuttle-C could’ve flown 6 or more times per year. Ah well.

>>14583766
Dicklets are a serious social problem.

>>14583848
Here’s a comparison by the 2009 team of Shuttle-C (called HLV) compared to DIRECT and the two Ares rockets.

>>14583848
>Shuttle-C as an alternative to both DIRECT and the Constellation program
If Starship successfully enters serial production, that will prove all three of those were a bad idea.

>>14583861
Tbh no one could’ve seen Starship coming. By the way, when exactly did the SLS vs Starship race to orbit start? SLS had a 2017 launch date, then 2018, then so on, and when did we suddenly realize
>Oh shit, Starship might beat it

>>14583871
ngl I thought from the start that Constellation would never fly, and have thought the same of SLS from the beginning (still do.)

>>14583879
Mate I have a feeling something goes wrong with WDR 2 and Artemis 1 slips to 2023

>>14583889
Yes, a punt to early 2023 seems likely. And then it will be late 2023, then early 2024, then late 2024...

I visited KSC with my family back in 2015. There, on one of the tour buses, they were showing a video about SLS and I remarked to my brother that it would never fly. A tour guide overheard me say that and I could tell her feelings were deeply hurt by it. I regret saying it and hurting her feelings, but I still think it.

>>14583889
Won't the SRBs have expired by then?

>>14583964
NASA said they plan on writing a waiver lol

>>14583964
yeah

https://mobile.twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1538195371943403521

> Yes, about 20% more thrust & 20% less mass, but focus has been heavily on production rate & reliability.

>Mass, thrust & Isp will all improve, as will production rate, reliability & cost.

>This is the only way to make life multi-planetary and extend consciousness into the void.

>>14584062
elon wants us to slave away for him on mars, dont believe his lies

>>14584062
as if slaving on earth is a better choice.

>>14583976
> treat expiration dates as soft guidelines
they're just like me

>>14584062
ITS OVER!!!

MUSK CONFIRMED RAPTOR2 IS A LIE AND HE DOESNT HAVE MORE THRUST/LSS MASS

>>14584076
>slave away in an inhospitable undeveloped wasteland with cramped accommodations and little convenience
OR
>slave away in relative comfort, safety, and stability, with abundant convenience
yeah slaving away on earth sounds better

>>14582535
I really like how the JWC used the word "helped" to make the employees seem more sympathetic.

>>14584081
expiration dates always have a substantial safety margin.

>>14584098
>slave away in an inhospitable undeveloped wasteland with cramped accommodations and little convenience
That's Earth, a chaotic and dangerous place where nobody is in charge and people are left to fend for themselves.
>slave away in relative comfort, safety, and stability, with abundant convenience
That's life as a corporate slave on Mars, living a highly regimented life in a controlled environment with a well defined hierarchy of control, where people are treated like livestock, not even permitted to fend for themselves.

>>14583072
The defacto founder of the Roman Empire, which lasted 1500 years? What a loser!

>>14584129
How was their space program?

>>14583228
>>14583193
>>14583236
(((fog)))

>>14584062
>This is the only way
>Mars Mars Mars

Elon your autism....

>>14583871
What i don't understand is how no one came up with starship even as a concept before?

>>14584172
They did.

>>14584172
>no one came up with starship even as a concept before?
yeah heavy lift VTVL is totally unprecedented

>>14584172
They did, no one had the resources to build it

>>14584187
Post one
>>14584189
Not even close

>>14584198
cope, Elon even ripped off e2e from him

>>14584068
>>14584126
>>14584165
Why does /sfg/ hate Elon?

>>14584216
False premise, I don't hate Elon Musk.

>>14584216
Shitposters just like (you)s

>>14584198
The original shuttle was basically Starship. Flyback booster + flyback orbiter

>>14584225
Not even close

>>14584236
Very close.

>>14584198
>>14584189
>>14584172
A lot of 60’s-70’s reusable rockets were actually VTVL, except they used a separate series of jet engines for landing because computers weren’t smart enough to do that with rocket engines.

Also fuck For All Mankind. I want a timeline where NASA and USAF build Gemini Interceptor SSTOs like pic related
>http://www.astronautix.com/s/sassto.html

>>14584216
He offered me a horse to suck his dick but then he didn't give me the horse.

>>14584248
I’d let Elon cum in my asshole but I’m also a fag so I’d do it for free

>>14584225
One of the original shuttle designs was a VTVL SSTO

>>14584254
>>14584242
>>14584241
Not even close
Do you have autism?

>>14584242
> Even based Bono fell for the hydromeme
reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

>>14584274
Yes.

>fully reusable
>no parachutes or wings
>two stage
Name one

>>14584172
>as a concept
Buddy, sci fi writers were doing VTVL before rockets even reached orbit

One of my favorite books I read as a kid was called The Wonderful Flight to the Mushroom Planet, and it imagined a VTVL rocket so easy to use that kids could run it. It came out in 1954.

Hell, Heinlein did NUCLEAR VTVL in 1947 in Rocket Ship Galileo. Also one of the first books I ever read.

>>14584216
basterd said there'd be a launch a year ago

>>14584291
>starship is just a vtvl

>>14584280
Bono doesn’t have the benefit of hindsight. Now we know that Hydrolox isn’t really necessary, but back then, everyone was chasing ISP - especially for SSTO. Ironically, a Kerolox or methalox vehicle would get more payload to orbit at the same SIZE as a Hydrolox vehicle - although the mass would be higher.
Kerolox has a much better mass fraction. The S-IC stage in the Saturn V was 150 tons dry and held 2150 tons of propellant. It was Kerolox. The S-II second stage was 38 tons dry and held 440 tons of propellant. It was Hydrolox. Quite frankly, despite the latter’s higher efficiency, the former has more Delta V.

>>14584216
roadster

>>14584292
There was a launch a few hours ago.

>>14584318
not of the great big spaceship rocket you fucking bloody basterd

>>14584321
2 weeks

>>14584318
>There was a launch a few hours ago.
launch...more like lunch lol lmao

>>14584198
here's a 1971 bellcomm memo concluding that a ballistic TSTO with propulsive landing was the best concept for a reusable space launcher because it had a low dry mass and its mass had a low design sensitivity.
they also concluded that having a separate orbiter craft from the upper stage would further speed up the design process and make it safer. i still think we may get some sort of super-sized dragon to fly on starship for the same reason.

So SpaceX needs 3750 Starlink V2 sats in orbit by November 2024. Let’s say they start in January 2023. That’s 23 months, or about 92 weeks. Each Starship would carry 60 V2 sats on board. So it would take 63 launches to fill the V2 constellation.
This means SpaceX needs to fly Starship once every 10 day. Can they do it? Idk.
Here’s a scenario. Assuming SpaceX can fly a max of 24 times out of KSC and 5 out of Boca per year, that’s 29 total launches. Expendable Starship (reusable Superheavy) is estimated to put 200 tons into LEO or so. A theoretical max of 160 Starlinks can be carried into orbit like this. That means just 24 launches. Perfect.
Throwing away 24 Starships sucks but if it means life and death for your constellation, maybe it’s a good idea.

>>14584356
Cant they just use falcon9 as well?

>>14584370
V2 sats are huge. Like 7 meters wide. Too fat for Falcon 9.

>>14584356
>Assuming SpaceX can fly a max of 24 times out of KSC
24 out of LC-39A from 1 tower and thats in conjunction with Falcon 9
They'll have 2-4 more launch towers at LC40 which will have the launch capability of 30-50 each per year. Easily going into 100-200 total

Tom Cruise is the only actor/producer i trust to make some real space kino since Kubric. No bullshit like Gravity or For all basedkind. But im not sure if the Axiom station will be ready for it. opinions?

this isnt even spacex general. this is sfg starship elon musk tesla general aparently

>>14584386
Yes and

>>14584385
i thought interstellar was pretty kino...

>>14584307
Read Problem of Space Travel by Herman Potocnik.
People knew from the beginning that hydrolox is dumb.

>>14584386
Formerly /ttwg/

>>14584386
As it should be. Deal with it.

>>14584385
wasnt this supposed to be shot a year ago? Also when is the Russian movie coming out

>>14584386
Always has been

>>14584378
Yeah but let’s be realistic here. Will SpaceX even be capable flying Starship once per week? Look how long it took even Block 5 Falcon 9. Starship is an unproven system and one wrong move nukes the pad.

>>14584405
it will launch 3 times a day or more

>>14584396
oh i forgot that one, yeah i like it even if the ending was lacking.
>>14584401
What movie?
Also, didnt know the "o" in cyrillic was the same in latin alphabet ascii wise.

>>14584408
Starting in January 2023? No. Not for a few years

>>14584409
>Also, didnt know the "o" in cyrillic was the same in latin alphabet ascii wise.
??

>>14584413
For All Şoykind

>>14584405
>once per week
We're already launching 3 falcon 9s in 3 days.

So we'll see daily launches with Starships, probably in few years. But for the next year or two, we'll probably see weekly launches.

>>14584385
>Tom Cruise makes a makes a movie like top gun, except instead of naval aviation it's all about making anti-satellite warfare and ballistic missile defense cool
>the public take it all to heart, and WW3 is averted
wtf I love xenu now

>>14584386
We talk about anybody who puts rockets into orbit. Which is mostly elon musk.

>>14584401
Never, at least not outside of r*ssia

>>14584385
Axiom is supposed to begin construction in 2024, correct?

Is Axiom also making the studio module?

>>14584461
>SpaceX uses Danger Zone as the wakeup call on his way to the station

>>14584461
They could really emphasize how fucked and vulnerable humans on space stations are to missile strikes and it would really be kino

>>14584290
>not a single reply
anon was right

>"fully reusable"
>99% of the mass gets burnt up
do chemfags really??

>>14584491
Propellant is cheap as fuck compared to dry mass. Reusability is an economic argument.

>>14583417
>>14583155
Marcus House youtuber guy thinks its part of a water barrier between LC-39A pad and Starship pad

>>14584491
Propellent gets converted to water and CO2. Which is then converted back into CH4 via sabatier process. Hence recycled.

>>14584491
Based, only mass drivers, space elevators and momentum exchange tethers qualify as reusable

>>14584409
>even if the ending was lacking
lacking what

>>14584501
lacking these nuts bitch

>Saves your space program

>>14584508
Man, the shuttle would have been SO COOL if only the tiles weren't such a fucking meme and the engines had faster turnaround time.

>>14584356
it's not life or death they can apply for a modification to the license just like they previously have, citing unavoidable delays due to factors beyond their control like material shortages or covid or the ocelots

>>14583058
Godamned snakes

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1538200746054897664

He said the quiet part out loud

>>14584508
> a Shuttle that kills 30 at a time instead of merely 7
glorious

>>14584521
lazy ass

>>14584521
Elon has really turned into an egotistical cunt since the Time award

>>14584526
Musk needs to drop Starhip on top of commies in the whitehouse and we'll all be good again. Once DeSantis gets elected. Things will change.

>>14584521
Yes and? NASA saw what happened to the Air Force in both the UK and the US when they forced their defense industries to consolidate

Having more suppliers is a risk hedge, an expensive one to be sure

>>14584526
lol
lmao

>>14584526
It's not egotistical if it's proportionate to reality.

>>14584530
Government mandated monopoly were the problem, not private sector natural monopoly.

ULA was made into a monopoly by the government and then gave all the contracts to them without allowing anyone else to bid for the contracts.

Today, once again, we're at the government mandated no-bid contracts to ULA.

>>14584386
SpaceX is better

>>14584528
That's right he'll DOUBLE the money we send to Israel. Our greatest ally deserves it.

>>14584539
Irrelevant to space.

>>14584534
It was probably deliberate
>how do we take down Musk?
>his own ego will do that
>cue Time Person of the Year award, the other award, and that other award all last year in December

>>14584541
Musk hasn't changed, though, that's why I found your post amusing. He's always been like this.

>>14584528
um no sweaty, DeSantis will run after Trump's second term.

>>14584521
>>14584525
why are we letting this brazen asshole run space?