/sci/ - Science & Math

>>14579446
China has a rover on the moon, while America doesn't. Someone explain this to me, how the fuck are we losing against the Chinese?

Second for Astra's Rocket 3, just give it time

>>14579449
Institutional apathy

>>14579449
America has multiple rovers on Mars while China doesn't. Someone explain this to me, how the fuck is China losing against the Americans?

>>14579449
We need to protect the beetles.

>>14579449
We wouldn't know anything about the Chinese rover or the crashed Indian lander if it wasn't for LRO, which has been in orbit around the moon for the past thirteen years.

The Indians are going to try another landing in a few months, now that I think about it.

I go off to sleep, wishing my sleep could be in the sweet stillness of intergalactic space, with Earth but a small and distant memory.

>>14579449
Good union paying jobs. You don't hate jobs do you?

SLS WDR and explosion when?

>>14579488
I want it to explode on the actual launch, ideally before it's fully cleared the tower

Remaining launches this month:

- SpaceX - Falcon 9: LC-39A, Florida. Starlink 4-19. June 17.
- SpaceX - Falcon 9: SLC-4E, California. SARah 1, synthetic aperture radar for German military. June 18.
- SpaceX - Falcon 9: SLC-40, Florida. Globalstar satellite and unidentified secondary payloads. June 19.
- ESA - Ariane 5: French Guiana. Two communications satellites for Malaysia and India. June 22.
- Rocket Lab - Electron: Mahia Peninsula, New Zealand. CAPSTONE to lunar halo orbit, for NASA. June 25.
- SpaceX - Falcon 9: SLC-40, Florida. SES 22 communications satellite for US television and data service. June 28.
- Virgin Orbit - LauncherOne: STP-S28, air-launched over California. Numerous USSF demonstration smallsats. June 29.
- ULA - Atlas 5: SLC-41, Florida. USSF 12, experimental missile warning satellite for the Space Force. June 29.
- ISRO - SSLV: Sriharikota, India. Small Satellite Launch Vehicle's first orbital test flight.
Other 2022 launches of note:

- Astra - Rocket 3.3: SLC-46, Florida. TROPICS 3/4, 5/6. NASA CubeSat constellation, flight attempts #2 and #3.
- SpaceX - Starship: Texas. Orbital flight test. No earlier than Q3.
- SpaceX - Falcon 9: LC-39A, Florida. CRS 25 resupply to the ISS, Cargo Dragon. Delayed to July 11.
- NASA - SLS: Florida. Artemis I, uncrewed flight to lunar orbit and return to earth. Q3
- Firefly - Alpha: California. Small satellite rideshare mission, second flight. Q3
- SpaceX - Falcon 9: LC-39A, Florida. Polaris Dawn missions on Crew Dragon. Q4.
- ULA - Vulcan Centaur: SLC-41, Florida. Inaugural flight. Peregrine lunar lander for Astrobotic.
- KARI - Nuri (KSLV-II): Naro LC-2, Goheung County, South Korea. Flight test of KSLV-II. Launch was delayed following discovery of technical problems with a sensor in the fuel tanks.
- As many as four (4) SpaceX Falcon Heavy launches by the end of 2022.

>>14579449
>losing
China is getting our leftovers. Their paper-mache space station will be crumbling while we enjoy margaritas on Mars by 2030.

ESA is having a "Vision 2030" strategy conference at the end of the month (27 - 28 June, Palermo, Italy)

I expect the usual gripes about who builds what and where, only now with extra mercantilism since this also includes newspace business. Oh, and I guess they want their own ride to orbit. We'll see.

>>14579507
I think this might be the first 3 day streak for falcon 9 launches.

>>14579507
>7 of the launches this month are from american companies/groups
>11 of the other launches are also from american companies/groups
stupid american centric list. where's the russian or chinese launches?

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1537672692035375107
>There will probably be several launch countdowns before we pass all the abort triggers, but hopefully first countdown is next month

>>14579446
Whatever faggot makes the /sfg/ thread in the future with this picture MUST title it as: "War of the Worlds" edition.

The shadow cast is iconic as fuck relative to the original story and motion picture of the black and white era.

>>14579525
The more uncertain he becomes the more I believe his timing

>>14579518
Wouldn't the angled nose cones on the side cores of a Falcon Heavy clone, cause descent imbalances on the landing flight path to the pad or drone ship?

>>14579526
I thought that had already been done with that pic but couldn't remember.
Be the change you want to see in the world. YOU can be that faggot.

https://twitter.com/SciGuySpace/status/1537520700923199489
13th reuse
also liftoff reference

>>14579528
>>14579525
This desu~.

>>14579534
~9 and half hours hours till launch

>>14579533
Maybe I will!

>>14579516
>we enjoy margaritas
You mean Musk, you will be working as a slave there while he reaps the benefits

>>14579544
while he *rapes

>>14579524
China's got launches planned this month, but none of them have firm launch dates that I'm aware of. One of these makes me doubt the reliability of the schedule I'm looking at.

- CAS Space - Zhongke-1A: Site 95, Jiuquan Satellite Launch Center, China. Six undisclosed-purpose satellites.
- Galactic Energy - Ceres-1: Site 95, Jiuquan Satellite Launch Center, China. Two observation satellites.
- ExPace - Kuaizhou 11: Site 95, Jiuquan Satellite Launch Center, China. No details available. Unusual because the rocket design was declared "retired" in back in April after a launch failure back in 2020.
- CASC - Jielong-1: Site 95, Jiuquan Satellite Launch Center, China. Two private industry Earth imaging satellites.

For all Mankind S3 EP2 is out

>>14579446
When is that huge dick starship falcon punch rocket starting for first time? It looks quite based, almost apollo level. July 2022?

>>14579563
>mankind
why hasnt this show been cancelled yet?

>>14579567
Elon says the first countdown will be "hopefullysome time next month" (July 2022).
Elon Time corrections suggest mid-September to late October.

>>14579568
Because Harambe

>skim through previous thread of /spaceflight general/
>it revolves entirely around twitter shit
what did they mean by this

>>14579571
lmfao

This isn't even a joke

>>14579449
Nuclear autism and JPL's artificial monopoly on rover construction. These fucks will be the end of us.

>>14579571
i wonder if he'd be proud of starship and everything we've accomplished so far

>>14579573
This thread is no longer about spaceflight it’s about a few people with no lives living vicariously through musk tbqh. Almost all the industry people stopped posting here, no one discusses news or speculates based on images because they lack the knowledge to do so. It made me realize I should put more work into getting into the field and less time on the internet

>>14579587
Are you aware the field is so small it is trivially easy to identify who we are based on what we say?

Just saying "my other vehicle is in orbit" narrows your identity down to a few thousand people.

Reposting in the new thread I guess because this is cool even if from BO

LMAO at the ending. NASA MAD

>>14579597
QRD? I'll never watch the show

>>14579601
Old world powers fight against each other. US vs Soviets. Then comes in private space entrepeneur who dreams of a new society without the old corrupt powers. Also, at NASA, office politics power fight ensues. Initial power grab leads to the "loser" joining force with private space mars mission, years ahead of NASA/Soviets. Others who lose the NASA office politics power play, celebrates this.

Wew they are really fucking with the timeline

Babe Ruth is still alive? In 1992? Buzz Aldrin is dead?

>>14579590
Sure. But you can tell they’ve left just by the level and type of discussion. Most of them never talked about what they did but it was obvious they worked in the field by their knowledge of principles and practical issues. Also if nothing else the zio is gone

>>14579608
Oh and, the NASA political gamesmanship mad as fuck

>>14579609
Well "Not Tesla" Roadster had just been released with "0-60 in 3 seconds" and it was barely in the early 90s. So its atleast 20+ years ahead of our timeline.

>>14579590
This. Also, I know for a fact that some colleagues brows /sfg/ as well, so I keep on the down low.

Jamestown is getting pretty big. It's not quite Moonbase Alpha and they clearly haven't buried it in regolith, so they figured out radiation shielding way, way before we did

>>14579608
>>14579601
Also, before the private space angle came into, the show was going mostly steady without too much infighting politics. Now this angle came around, politics got exposed, internal fight is happening

>>14579601
If you're familiar enough with NASA/SpaceX story, you're in for a treat.

This whole season is an allegory of sort about the whole space shuttle disaster/nasa's failures/political boondogle/rise of spacex/etc

>>14579616
what

>>14579597
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/VPUcZo3w60c

The ending song

>Apple makes the video phones NASA uses
of fucking course they do

>>14579638
That sounds like complete shit without the bass being audible and you ruined that song for me by associating it with your trash soi ridden media, fuck you.

>>14579623
https://ntrs.nasa.gov/citations/20090012432

They have water, so they use it in the walls. It's been studied for the real version.

>>14579650
>modular design
dead on arrival.
tube-welding-together chads will dominate the lunar surface.

>>14579597
What show?

>>14579657
>>14579563

>>14579609
Oh, Babe Ruth is actually dead. Then what was that TV talking about? Are they cloning people?

>>14579563(You)
>>14579597(You)
>>14579601(You)
>>14579608(You)
>>14579612(You)
>>14579622(You)
>>14579657(You)
>>14579659(You)
stop shilling

>>14579609
>1992
>Vague affirmative action gripe from Ed
LA is getting name checked next episode.

>>14579642
>video phones
so phones?

>>14579673
I guess they would be, in that timeline

Anything else? Why not discuss your Funko Pop collection or estrogen dose?

Northern Europe got to enjoy some lights courtesy of that CME two days ago.

>>14579661

failure to communicate

Let's get this thread back on track. So, what did anons think of the latest episode of the hit alternate history sci-fi drama, For All Mankind? Now streaming on Apple TV+

>>14579704
Danny should have failed his psych evals
Gordo is being a wildcard from beyond the grave

>>14579704
i dont watch fiction, real life is far more exciting. CAPSTONE coming soon to a MOON near you! :)

spacex letter writers got fired lmao

Is spaceship 2.0 real? 18 fucking meters in diameter!?

>>14579746
Doubt

>>14579752
nyt article
"
SpaceX, the private rocket company, on Thursday fired employees who helped write and distribute an open letter criticizing the behavior of chief executive Elon Musk, said three employees with knowledge of the situation.
Some SpaceX employees began circulating the letter, which denounced Mr. Musk’s activity on Twitter, on Wednesday. The letter called the billionaire’s public behavior and tweeting “a frequent source of distraction and embarrassment” and asked the company to rein him in. Mr. Musk is currently closing a $44 billion deal to buy Twitter.
By Thursday afternoon, SpaceX had fired some of the letter’s organizers, according to the three employees and an email from Gwynne Shotwell, SpaceX’s president and chief operating officer. In her email, which was obtained by The New York Times, she said the company had investigated and “terminated a number of employees involved” with the letter.
“The letter, solicitations and general process made employees feel uncomfortable, intimidated and bullied, and/or angry because the letter pressured them to sign onto something that did not reflect their views,” Ms. Shotwell wrote. “We have too much critical work to accomplish and no need for this kind of overreaching activism.”
It was unclear how many employees were fired. James Gleeson, a SpaceX spokesman, did not immediately return a request for comment.
The open letter followed recently publicized accusations of sexual misconduct against Mr. Musk amid his contentious acquisition of Twitter. On Thursday, Mr. Musk addressed Twitter employees for the first time since his takeover offer via a video call to answer their questions.
"

>>14579764
"In May, Insider reported that a flight attendant said Mr. Musk propositioned her for a sexual massage during a flight to London in 2016. The flight attendant said he also exposed himself to her and offered her a horse, according to the article, the details of which were not independently verified by The Times.
Mr. Musk called the accusations “utterly untrue” and joked about horses and his genitalia on Twitter. Last month, Ms. Shotwell said in an email to SpaceX employees that she “personally” believed the sexual harassment allegations against Mr. Musk were false.
Mr. Musk, who has previously been sued by a government regulator and private individuals for his tweets, founded SpaceX in 2002. Ms. Shotwell joined that same year. Mr. Musk is also chief executive of Tesla, the electric automaker.
At SpaceX, Mr. Musk is rarely challenged by his own workers, said the three employees, who spoke on the condition of anonymity. Earlier this month, he notified the company’s workers via email that they must spend at least 40 hours in the office or face firing.
The open letter about Mr. Musk’s online activity asked that SpaceX’s leaders “publicly address and condemn Elon’s harmful Twitter behavior” and “define and uniformly respond to all forms of unacceptable behavior.”
In her email to staff, Ms. Shotwell wrote, “Blanketing thousands of people across the company with repeated unsolicited emails and asking them to sign letters and fill out unsponsored surveys during the work day is not acceptable.”
“Please stay focused on the SpaceX mission, and use your time to do your best work,” she continued. “This is how we will get to Mars.”"

>>14579764
>>14579766
B-B-B-BASED

>he company had investigated and “terminated a number of employees involved” with the letter.
“The letter, solicitations and general process made employees feel uncomfortable, intimidated and bullied, and/or angry because the letter pressured them to sign onto something that did not reflect their views,” Ms. Shotwell wrote. “We have too much critical work to accomplish and no need for this kind of overreaching activism.”
mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

>>14579771
Mmmmmommy

They committed a cardinal sin: thou shalt not make your employer look bad. Also most businesses have a zero tolerance policy for speaking to the press in addition to the standard NDA.

>>14579771
literally every goddamn company should take a stance against this bullshit in their ranks. upper management across the economy have no spine

lmao you can tell the article was vetted by a lawyer. The NYT usually doesn't tag unsubstantiated bullshit when reporting allegations

>>14579780
NYT lost any semblance of integrity. they seem to be, shall we say, seething

>>14579738
>CAPSTONE
As worthless as a*ime, NRHO is overrated and it only imposes a penalty on the lander. A 86° inclination frozen LLO would have been far superior but Orion is so starved for delta-v that they couldn't spend the extra 170 m/s so NASA now pretends that NRHO is some magical orbital with greatly reduced station keeping requirements despite that there are many orbits with the same quality.

>>14579797
Capstone is cute (and cool)

NEW ANGRY ASTRONAUT
https://youtu.be/JZEBTStk2wA

>>14579764
>Ms. Shotwell wrote. “We have too much critical work to accomplish and no need for this kind of overreaching activism.”
I love this woman.

>>14579801
Crapstone*

>>14579804
>lol my personality trait is... BEING LE MAD
i hate everything already did this
angry joe show already did this
angry video game nerd already did this

being angry all the time is not funny

>>14579848
shut the fuck up esl

>>14579848
I very much agree, my fellow American.

>>14579848
I’ll let you know when I start caring about euro opinions.

>>14579848
The guy is a midwit who gives shitty ignorant hot takes which are lapped up by other midwits, most of /sfg/ agrees but there's one literally faggot who loves him and posts his content here, probably the same person dogpiling you right now.

>>14579857
I like the angry astronaut in the same way that I like tourettes guy. We need more angry shouting for our amusement.

>>14579857
I think he’s funny in the way a based retard is funny. It’s nice to have a midwit in musk’s corner, for some reason retards and midwits can only agree with other midwits.
I’ve only watched one of his videos though and I can’t remember it. I think it was about spinlaunch or about how retarded BO is.

>>14579746
yep, based

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/17/technology/spacex-employees-fired-musk-letter.html

New domes looking great. Only one level of (stretch formed?) panels.
Simple stupid rockets are the only rockets you can make a thousand of.

>>14579872

>>14579874

elon fires people randomly all the time, of course those people who talked shit openly about him were going to get fired

>>14579876

>>14579883

https://www.engadget.com/space-x-reportedly-fired-employees-that-wrote-letter-criticizing-elon-musk-075046446.html

Another article about the firings

>>14579867
He hates Starship HLS and he was upset when it was chosen over the Dynetics HLS which as designed was physically incapable of making it to the lunar surface and then back to Gateway. He brought it up yet again in the video that was linked.

>>14579890

>>14579881
not randomly, probably due to them being incompetent or not doing what he says (or explaining why they should be doing something else)
has worked pretty well

>>14579764
The most based goddamn company on earth(and in space)

>>14579544
what benefits?

>>14579777
yeah, a company is not for activism but doing the fucking job they are supposed to do
if you don't like something, quit, maybe start a competitor

>>14579901
read that he fired a guy at tesla for not knowing how some machine worked even though the guy didnt know what it was

>>14579892
lol what the fuck
why?

>>14579910
so the guy was incompetent?
more context is needed, could be a spontaneous firing due to being stressed and mad I guess, but if the machine is relevant to the job even tangentially, he should know some of the basics at least
not knowing at least something might result in departments being siloed from eachother, not understanding why doing x is bad and makes the life of another department or engineer down the line way more difficult

The response letter (allegedly), didn't see this in the news yet, source is from reddit r/technology so should be taken with a grain of salt

https://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/ve826w/comment/icos8ao/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

>>14579923
So I guess it truly was just a few retarded activists, I wonder if they were even engineers

>>14579927
Doubtful. Expect a pity interview with one within a month or three

>>14579923
So much for free speech

>>14579935
as my old boss used to say: "this isnt a democracy"

>no mention of compensation or working conditions
>Just stupid political activism

Never passed the smell test.

>>14579927
Probably some seething redditors in menial positions, get fucked faggots lmao.

>>14579449
China is making particle beam cannons and shit while NASA is too chickenshit to even put a nuclear engine on a rocket. Is it really any wonder they're outclassing us technologically?

>>14579935
>what is the difference between free speech and not being fired for what you say
Spoken like a true commie. You can be fired for any reason whatsoever, that's what it means to be a private company.
You need to dilate

>>14579923
SpaceX is like a doomsday cult kek

>>14579954
in what way? that is retarded

>>14579940
Obviously

>>14579951
And yet musk whines about social media doing the same

>>14579945
>there’s no images of it but trust us it’s real and it heckin changerinos everything

>>14579935
goddamn you r*dditors have a tortured notion of "free speech" now. "hurr durr i distupted a workplace that impacts a lot of lives and needs everything going 100% smoothly and got told to fuck off for it, this is the same as the suppression of dissidents"

>>14579961
They do it in a faggy way, SpaceX just fired employees who were acting like entitled retards. No mercy for these w*men or limp wrist onions complaining about meanie tweets.

>>14579959
in all the ways

>>14579961
>what is the difference between users of what is essentially a global discussion forum and employees of a tech company
>implying it makes any god damn sense to not fire people when they wanna override the CEO and rile up others against him
Commies literally don't know what a company is and why it works.

>>14579961
musk didn't whine about it, he bought the company to fix it and THEY whined about it. also, twitter is a public communications site, no one is crusading because they police internal communications.

>>14579968
>i want free speech but only when it aligns with my opinions
you're such a faggot
>>14579967
cope
>>14579974
the global discussion forum is a company that can do whatever the fuck it wants, you're just coping
>>14579975
there is nothing to fix, twitter is free to ban who they want just like spacex can fire who they want

>>14579969
The difference between a cult and a company is...
Look, shut up for a second.

>>14579991

>>14579991
>i want free speech but only when it aligns with my opinions
Just like everyone else. They shouldn't be allowed to talk in such a faggy way and disrupt the other employees which is why they were rightfully fired. If they had sent out a letter only stating "nigger" I would be sad to see them let go.

>>14579991
Yes nobody suggested twitter be sued because they ban people.
Somebody suggested they buy them given that practice is antithetical to their mission just like being a wokeoid is antithetical to a productive rocket company.
Try to think about it at least a tiny bit before repeating the cope with the highest updoots on /r/antiwork

>>14579991
>cope
i don't have to cope? you are the one agrieved, not me.
>there is nothing to fix
the free market disagrees in two ways: musk is buying the company to fix it, and the company is unprofitable and likely to collapse if the deal falls through.

>>14580001
I wish all plebbitors a very pleasant deportation back to r*ddit.
I'm referring to you. Take your r*ddit memes and go back

>retard doesn't see a difference between an employee and a customer

>>14580009
the company is unprofitable because twitter is garbage as a concept, allowing people to say nigger on it wont change that

>>14580008
>that practice is antithetical to their mission
their mission is making money from ads and selling user data

>retard thinks twitter users are customers

>>14580020
you are deeply delusional if you don't think twitter's far left stance is the major contributor to both its censorship and its inability to generate profit. it is very difficult to make money when you run a welfare program for urban malingerers who believe profit and hard work are evil white nationalist concepts.

>>14579961
You are such maddive fucking retarded faggot, holy shit

>>14580023
>their mission is making money from ads and selling user data
>The mission we serve as Twitter, Inc. is to give everyone the power to create and share ideas and information instantly without barriers.
You're going into reddit overdrive. You must return there immediately.

>>14580031
>twitter
>far left
lmao

>>14579974
According to the response email, employees got annoyed by the faggy letter and solicitation as well
Im pretty sure it was some employees in completely inconsequential positions whining because they dont actually have much of substance to do
Those that matter actually focus on getting the job done and the mission

this all reminds me of that furry that got fired from nasa for telling homer hickam to suck his girlcock

>>14580033
>But the corporation said it wanted the good for all humankind surely they mean it!!!
grow up and leave your fantasy world

>>14580037
you are genuinely retarded if you think that moderates run twitter

>>14579991
Talking in a place which is designated for talking (twitter) vs pestering your colleagues about random ass shit is not equivalent
These faggots are free to whine as much as they like in their free time while not employed by spacex

>>14580023
No that is not the mission, that is how they monetize the platform which is critical for a company to live

>>14580044
>>But the corporation said it wanted the good for all humankind surely they mean it!!!
>grow up and leave your fantasy world
The strawman is standing two fields over.
My words were their stated mission is being a global forum of discussion, thus limiting free speech is antithetical to that mission, thus it makes sense for Musk to criticize and offer to buy them.
You are not mentally capable of understanding what is said because you're entirely focused on posting seething commie agitprop.

>>14580055
>their stated mission is being a global forum of discussion
autistic people really aren't immune to propaganda
>seething commie agitprop
not a commie no, just not a hypocrite

Prime example of why this general has gone to shit. Things used to be so comfy.

>>14580057
i don't think you have any business discussing speech policy when you can barely read

>>14580057
Point out where the hypocrisy lies. I think your original statement of
>So much for free speech
as an allusion to hypocrisy between criticizing twitter banning things and firing agitators from the company you are leading has been nonsensical so far.

>>14580057
So what is the mission/purpose of twitter then?
The monetization is not the mission but just somwthing that any company has to do, while pursuing the mission

>>14580059
Yep. As I said it might as well be muskposting general. We should force people to name the equation again

>>14580064
Maybe change the captcha to be something relevant

Summerfags be like
>Maybe change the captcha
KEK!

>>14580066
A captcha that required math would be really funny (and useless) and would make a certain Romanian very mad

>>14579764

>>14579507
>- SpaceX - Starship: Texas. Orbital flight test. No earlier than Q3.
UOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH
STARSHIP BROS LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>14580065
commies will never be able to process this kind of discussion. they treat all interaction under capitalism as nothing but short term profit generation and get deeply confused by setting goals. hence they always degenerate into poorly run state capitalism that extracts the maximum productivity over short bursts and then collapses.

these people laughed at the spacex's mission. they genuinely believed that spacex should just be falcons forever because investment into long term goals is offensive to them.

>>14580065
Wrong.

this is what happens to your brain by the way when you spend your time reading the news and low brow internet discussion.
you become incapable of making a single coherent argument. you spout different versions of the same cemented belief you once borrowed somewhere and that's about as far as it goes.

>>14580089
What is your IQ if I might ask?

>>14580093
no that is what happens if you are a dumb dumb, which this commie concern troll seems to be

>>14579935

>>14580095
that was in response to the commie not you

>>14579991
>just like spacex can fire who they want
lel "go start your own rocket company"
it's like pottery
>>14580009
>likely to collapse if the deal falls through
don't encourage my boner

>>14579913
I don't remember his exact argument but it was something to do with Starship being too large and that a smaller lander would be able to do more trips with the same amount of propellent, plus he just really liked the design. As Dynetics found out it's not that easy in rocketry and achieving a good mass fraction with smaller spacecraft is difficult. It's mostly just that inefficiency is not something to focus on, both the lander and the payloads would require mass autism and the end cost is far greater than the extra propellent.

I'm so fucking glad SpaceX is one of the few companies not afraid of telling these sensitive fags off. The Mars mission requires fearlessness and impeccable work ethic which these types of people never have. They will definitely succeed and Mars will get it's first inhabitants, so fucking happy bros.
>pic related, how to dispose of political activists pretending to be employees

>>14580099
I know, my point is that you can read news and low brow internet discussion and not become braindead if you use the appropriate filter/aren't retarded
it is not some certain thing

>>14580103
ALPACA
IS
FAT

>>14580106
> finger cot
kek

>>14580112
> See "rocket principles"
lmaoo

>>14580103
>glorious skyscraper sized vehicle with double digit ton payload capacity
>a pod with room for maybe a few rocks and stuff
If you have a soul you'd rather choose an ambitious program that might very well fail than an embarrassing pod for mankinds return to the moon.

If dubs then booster rollout today

>>14580124
:(

>>14579446
Anyone have a link to the pozzed spacex letter? I wanna see if it's really as bad as people say.

wake up babe, latest anti-spacex movement in
https://spacenews.com/house-armed-services-chairman-calls-on-space-force-to-change-how-it-buys-launch-services/

>>14580131
>https://www.theverge.com/2022/6/16/23170228/spacex-elon-musk-internal-open-letter-behavior
It's at the bottom of this trash article

>>14580134

>>14580134
meds.

>>14580139

>>14580140
>>14580139
read between the lines
it means no more spacex nssl contracts

>>14580141
>If the HASC provisions become law, they would likely help Blue Origin, Jeff Bezos’ space company based in Smith’s home state. The company, which competed unsuccessfully for an NSSL Phase 2 launch services procurement contract, is developing New Glenn, a huge rocket with a much larger payload fairing than current launch vehicles, projected to have an advanced upper stage to reach high-energy orbits.

surprise surpise

>>14580112
Go back

>>14580143
>read between the lines
>>14580140

>>14580134
Not really. Try to be less of a fanboy
It’s not entirely unreasonable but in reality I doubt there are many who could actually keep up with what’s necessary for such important contracts. Can you imagine if astra was trusted?
Also the stuff about fairings and upper stages makes it feel like it’s aimed squarely at opening the door for New Glenn.

>>14580147
the politician was pretty clearly bought by bezos
not that competition in general isn't good, but I mean don't they already have that?
are the "new players" actually capable of doing the missions in the first place?

>>14580147
>>14580149
>they don't know about the nasa procurement problem

>>14580145
That is conjecture on the part of the journ*list
You know what else is a big rocket? The Starship.
No need to get your panties in a bunch yet.

>>14580139
>>14580141
>>14580145
won't change anything for spacex as long as they stay on top of their game

>>14580145
>>14580141
>>14580139
>>14580134
>>14580143
Oh my god why are you specifically always retarded and illiterate? Why do you always post an article and then a gorillion screencaps of it? Has the tism so thoroughly destroyed your ability to understand how to communicate with people?

>>14580158
i didn't post the screencaps retard
that's the schizo
https://backchannel.substack.com/p/notes-from-the-underground-information
also the place where the ula email leak happened got seized by the fbi
top kek

>>14580165
>>14580154
found the pic at least
https://imgur.com/a/DvVTUjD
just another way to fix the spacex procurement problem

>>14580165
My bad, I just saw the gay ass screencaps with the same gay filenames and assumed.

>>14580136
Hm, honestly not as bad as I thought it would be. They just want Elon to stop being a drama queen. Too bad he owns a huge percentage of the company so they can't really get rid of him.
Still, I'm glad they're taking a stand against employee activism. I wish the tech industry would do the same. Fucking techies are an embarrassment to all men, just look at how cucked spotify employees were when they signed on Joe Rogan. These retards are making six figures and complain more than minimum wagies, it's pathetic.

>>14580167
>ULA oldspace fag seethes about SpaceX getting contracts
ITS A CONSPIRACYYYYY

>>14580177
https://twitter.com/FFairing/status/1430639054643683333
its not a conspiracy

>>14580146

>>14580167
>>14580154
Wait, aren’t ULA the other contractor for the NSSL? Yeah they are. Why would they want this contract to change, it doesn’t help them at all

>>14580167
>Sabatier
ironic

>>14580158
Reading screencaps means you don't need to open the website to read the article, I guess I could stop posting them if people don't want/need them and prefer to read the article directly
Why screencaps instead of text? You need less posts

>>14580181
because they will win it since they are "legacy"
and then small launchers and bezos/relativity will win the rest

>>14580158
>>14580183
I like when people post screen captures of articles here, it saves me from opening it and it makes it easier to respond to a specific section without quoting a bunch of text.

>>14580175
Try reading some interviews with former employees, Elon is actually a great engineer and he's usually on the forefront of pushing new developments in his companies. Him being emotional is part of it as he feels deep pain when his companies are struggling which motivates him to work even harder, so the drama is just a minor side effect of this. It also makes him more relatable which is good for public image, even if journos and other over-socialized people find it distasteful.

>>14580181
They are losing increasing market share to SpaceX under the existing system, I suppose they're trying to ensure they will get launches for being "not SpaceX" but if it gets opened to providers like BO they'd be shooting themselves in the foot.

>>14580193
>Elon is actually a great engineer and he's usually on the forefront of pushing new developments in his companies
I wanna see him design something in CAD or write a piece of code just once.
The detractors have chosen that already as their hill to die on so I want to know if something so easily disprovable is true or not.

>>14580202
But he has written code for zip2, the detractors just say the code is shitty and move the goalposts

>>14580179
This is literally the dictionary definition of a conspiracy.

>>14580202
He coded this game in BASIC
https://blastar-1984.appspot.com/

>>14580204
Eric Berger or Ashlee Vance reporting something in a book is not proof it happened.

>>14580202
>https://erik-engheim.medium.com/is-elon-musk-just-a-sales-guy-9d3eb7a1b49c
This article breaks it down pretty well, detractors could call all these people liars but in that case there is no discussion to be had with them.

>>14580206
huh your right
well its not a fake conspiracy?

>>14580202
musk literally got his start as a coder though? why is not knowing something a reason to attack? there's probably very few engineers at tesla or spacex that would be able to show you the documentation for anything they've worked on.

>>14580204
When entered the field being first to market meant everything. So I can believe that.

>>14580212
The word you're looking for is 'conspiracy theory' mister ESL

>>14580202
He coded some shit as a kid, google should be able to help you with it. Personal engineering projects would be harder to find since his specialty is material science. Not sure if any exists.

>>14580213
What IDE does he use, bros?

>Musk has to prove to ME that he actually knows his stuff
lmao, those skeptics are truly hilarious

>>14580213
They sign all designs afaik, it's part of their work culture since all work done has to be accounted for or inefficiencies will creep in. The designs aren't publicly available for obvious reasons.

>>14580221
>The designs aren't publicly available for obvious reasons.
that part is my point. musk is chief engineer on the raptor engine for instance but he couldn't even legally show anyone a single bit of what he has actually done. testimony from the team is all you can get, and that is out there

>>14580208
so your theory is that what then exactly?
he paid some pajeet off with daddys money and claimed the code for his own?

>>14580226
apparently thats not enough, the goalpost moving reminds me of flatearthers
I guess musk would have to code infront of them in real life or something lol

>>14580228
>>14580231
Idk he should just write technical blog posts like Karpathy does instead of twitter instant messages and (((interviews))) being his only form of public communication.
If you appeal to the lowest common denominator you're gonna get exactly that abd no more.

>>14579530
nothing you could not compensate for and the effect will probably be very small, if any
it's just empty shell that weighs fuckall - it's not really affecting balance

>>14580242
What it's affecting is the center of pressure.

>>14580239
He really doesn't have to do anything since people's asshurt is completely irrelevant for his projects. They can smugly proclaim he's a conman all they want, but if a conman runs the most successful EV and rocket companies it says a LOT more about all other companies and their CEOs, than it says about him and his companies. Twitter is just him letting loose and goofing off which is funny as it confuses people when a powerful person acts normal.

This whole "Musk isn't a real engineer because he doesn't design something in CAD/ect..." Is just silly.

It's like saying Linus Torvalds is just a sales guy because he no longer writes code and only reviews patches before being merged into the kernel.

>>14580239
>(((interviews)))
are you okay

>>14580219
Falcon 9 runs on C/C++, so probably Visual Studio for linux

>>14580239
that would change exactly nothing at all and would be a waste of time

>>14580245
There is some stupid cope going around. Something I've heard is that Elon just hires people to do the work for him. Oh, so he just successfully manages his company then. We already have evidence from oldspace and Bezos that just having loads of cash at hand doesn't get you there.

>>14580256
You're delusional if you think Elon writes flight software. SpaceX has world class programmers.

>>14580260
Keep in mind that because of his political tweets, he is being discussed a lot on /pol/ right now. So we are being flooded with flat earthers, and worse - retards that watch deboonkers.

>>14580257
I think you're underestimating what filtering the average seething normoid would do for him.
>>14580248
Very

>>14580263
That doesn't mean he's using Code Blocks

>>14580270
cringe. it doesnt matter one could be typing into microsoft word and put identifiers in cursive blue helvetica

>>14580269
>I think you're underestimating what filtering the average seething normoid would do for him.
I don't understand what you are saying
but to add to the point I was making, just look at what happened after he paid 11 billion in taxes? they don't give a shit, either ignoring it completely or giving some strawman as a response (schoolteachers pay more than him if you look at the percentages), of course confusing capital gains vs normal income and unrealized capital as well
it doesn't literally matter, the skeptics like thunderfoot and CSS will keep on hating and moving the goalposts no matter what he does, the people that say he isn't an engineer won't be convinced no matter what, they will just move the goalposts or just stop using that argument, but that won't stop the whining in general
"debunking" something doesn't matter if they don't care about the truth, but have an ulterior agenda

or do you mean some normies on the fence or something?

>>14580103
dynetic is sexy looking

>>14580278
No I mean if he were to put the effort he puts into twitter instead into communicating his ideas clearly to the kind of people who would even read a long form technical blog post, it'd be all upside no downside because as you said the twitter fags are a lost cause anyway.

>>14580290
Clearly you should start your own company so that you can show everyone how a company should be run.

>>14580295
I think that response is stupid and unrelated

>>14580134
>>14580139
>(D-Wash.)

>>14580302
I think you should dial 8.

>>14580290
You mean somwthing like Teslas master plan but for spacex? And each other company
I think he wrote blog posts before, but I have the feeling he doesnt really enjoy writing and posts like that take a lot of time that can be used on other things
And really, you think a fucking blog would have the same impact as actually buying twitter?

Holy shit latest episode is god awful.

>>14580342
>streaming services

Don't know what you expected.

>>14579954
Isn't that part of its mission statement? to make life multiplanetary as a backup for Earth? that is literally planning for a doomsday scenario

>>14580346
that is one of the reason, or more like an added bonus, but that doesnt make it a doomsday cult
they aren't expecting it to happen anytime soon, elon might be worried about civilization or something collapsing though and humanity losing the ability to do this stuff

>>14580346
>>14580356
the rhetoric of "this is how we get to Mars" and "work for the greater good" seen in Shotwell's mail has some cult"ish" vibes, no denying that

>>14579851
>>14579854
>>14579855
You gave away your samefaggotry when you failed to recognize the names used in each sentence and blamed the poster for your own poor reading skills in three consecutive posts.

Anyway, you’re a fucking retard. Quit shitting up the thread.

>>14580365
Is a space colonization cult really a bad thing?

>>14580365
lol that is just a compelling mission, more companies should try to adopt something like it, but I guess it would be difficult for some fields

>>14580372
No, but it's understandable that people (especially the workers' rights types) would find that mail unnerving.

>>14580379
those fags shouldnt be working at spacex then

>>14580381
They aren't (anymore)

>>14580365
those things are enshrined in spacex's mission statement. is it really cultish to be expected to uphold the values of your workplace?

>>14580365
Mars comes first, always. Wrongthink will be persecuted.

>>14580389
>i worked for a cereal company but i got fired when i started doing political agitation behind the scenes, they said the focus should be on cereal production. guys... is it a cereal cult?

>>14579923
oh no no no

>>14580207
This game sucks.

>>14579923
this is probably illegal

>>14580406
how exactly? fucking commies I swear

>>14580410
>attempt to use collective bargaining to pressure management into making changes to improve the workplace
>get fired
ez case to make in court, particularly in California

>>14580411
>improve the workplace
You have a strange definition of "improving the workplace".
I can however guarantee you that the workplace will be vastly improved by not having nagging cunts around wasting time.

>>14579746
>>14579764
>>14579766
>>14579872
Good.

SpaceX cant let the employees divide up the company and carve up a "we have to protect our company" from the company's goals. The company's goal drive the company. If agitators are trying to create a breakaway division within the company, then they must absolutely be purged. I've said it before and I've said it again. Musk has to purge these agitators wherever they are.

launch in 2 hours, the first of 3 falcon 9 launches over the next 36 hours

five employees. the definition of a nothingburger.
https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/spacex-fires-least-five-letter-criticizing-musk-sources-2022-06-17/

>>14579923
Who knew you would be fired for

-going outside of communication channels you agreed to in your terms of employment
-attempting to create a toxic and devisive "us or them" workplace
-leaking your letter to media

>>14579935
Corporations are opt-in dictatorships. You might be a few brain cells short of a spark if you think you have "free speech" rights when on company time to use said time and money to engage in unauthorized solicitation to foment discontent in your company against your boss.

>>14580411
improve the workplace by trying to get rid of the founder and major owner? this is so fucking retarded its unbelievable

>>14580438
Stop responding to concerned trolls who obfuscate the issue.

>>14580426
I hope they come out with the interviewees/whining sessions soon so I can finally know what kind of do-nothing retards these people actually are

>>14579935
>t. Amber Heard

american and chinese spysats going at it in geo
https://spacenews.com/an-in-orbit-game-of-cat-and-mouse-close-approaches-prompt-calls-for-communications-and-norms/

>>14580422
Very cool anon, thank you for reminding me.

>>14580145
>>14580141
>>14580139

While I generally agree with the sentiment that launch contracts should foster open competition, its equally true that Blue Origin hasn't launched a god damn thing to orbit and don't seem interested in doing so either. These contracts, to my best knowledge, for NSSL, are fixed price; which means they're of types where you commit to and deliver on what was agreed upon unless external factors, such as the payload supplier, gets delayed in some fashion. Its overwhelmingly indicative that USAF/USMIL/DOD would be more than ready to put up its payloads and Blue Origin would be years out from their own rocket's maiden launch, let alone sufficient flights under belt to be certified for NSSL flights. Most importantly though, competition at this point for such large scale offerings is only appropriate if there is an actual competition. If one party shows up with a 50 meter tall rocket and the other party doesn't show up, its not a competition. You cannot award people for not showing up, that's corruption. Unless Blue Origin can prove that their orbital delivery capabilities are competitively equivalent or near equivalent to anyone else in the market for NSSL mission profiles, or for that matter any other provider within the same offering, there's no reason to hold the competition. Sold sourcing could be viewed as dangerous if there is fear of delays. But at this point, SpaceX has a fleet of 13-15 F9 cores and Falcon Heavy cores, all of which can be picked and chosen from to launch mission critical payloads to target orbits and Blue Origin has nothing.

This entire notion then of "fairness" is a joke, as it proceeds to unfairly show preference to a party whose interests in large scale success are as fleeting as dandelions in the wind.

https://mobile.twitter.com/SirineAti/status/1537752640699916288

> When you pressure, shame and bully your colleagues to sign a letter that considers your boss an embarrassment to the company, you don't deserve to work there imo.

>>14580449
>geo
frankly soon to be relegated to meme orbit status, let them crash

>>14580145
Its a way to push out SpaceX and keep ULA/BlueOrigin

Remember, they gave billions to Vulcan/NewGlenn but not to an expendable Starship which was deemed "immensely complex"

>>14580368
>newfag can't even tell samefaging
look at the timestamps retard

>>14580243
>>14580242
>>14579530
Can you elaborate on what the center of pressure would have on the landing sequence please?

https://mobile.twitter.com/KenKirtland17/status/1537782873880776705

Man this fucking guy

>>14580470
I'm not going to click on that

>>14580470
He's always the anti-Musk veneer. He just outs himself even more.

>>14580416
It all reminds me of this: https://theintercept.com/2022/06/13/progressive-organizing-infighting-callout-culture/ about how employee infighting paralyzes even (especially) the ideologically-purest organizations. It's a relief to me to see SpaceX put down a threat like this so soon after I saw that article.

>>14580470
Twitterposting should be banned unless it comes from relevant popular person.
Have some dignity and don't post tweets made by mentally challenged, shitty AI's and children. Thanks.

>>14580134
ULA is the biggest beneficiary of the current system.

>>14580485
and they will continue to be
but spacex will get cut for the other launchers

>>14580478
True, however the fundamental problem isn't just a liberal puritism. Its a company structure. There are companies that are focused on goals and companies that are focused on organizations.

In other words, startup vs old space. When companies become big, they naturally start to create a division within themselves thats there to protect the company. In humans, this is called the idea of "self-hood." SpaceX cannot have that. When the idea of "self-hood" starts taking over the idea of the goals oriented, then the company loses purpose.

>>14580490
How so? SpaceX got 40% of national security launches mainly due to the fact that certain payloads have to be integrated horizontally. And that's what one contract is about, they got $300 million to build the vertical integration facility for Falcon Heavy.

>>14580458
I dont get it, whats the matter with GEO?

>>14580221
>afaik
The fuck is afaik?

>>14580504
as far as i know
how new

>Kennedy Space Center has a special notice regarding 'Special Notice – Lease of the Vehicle Assembly Building, High Bay 1'
https://sam.gov/opp/fee2c6dd6ebb496f9a51ed299f9cc8e7/view

>>14580504
As far as i know. its pretty common, idk why you didnt know it

>>14580499
blue origin will just integrate horizontally too
you are looking at it logically instead of politically

>>14580507
>39A
>SpaceX
>39B
>NASA
Who could it be now

>>14580507
its not worth it
you can only use two pads
the redtape is taller than the vab
plus you can't do anything when they are stacking sls

>>14580278
>the skeptics like thunderfoot and CSS will keep on hating and moving the goalposts no matter what he does,
>you must be stupid to think Elon can get a million people on Mars when he can barely manage the hundred people that are already there. It'll be impossible to scale a colony much farther than that, oh and hyperloop is a scam
I could see it

>>14580516
How can Below Orbit even qualify? It took Falcon 9 eight years since its first launch to fly the first national security mission. Don't you have to prove that your rocket is reliable?

>>14580278
>moving the goalposts no matter what he does
Exactly. Thats always been the case. The entire "Elon Musk fake/fraud" is driven by the Tesla short seller narrative and now latched on by liberals who hate Musk for calling for their extremist views.

>>14580525
>How can Below Orbit even qualify?
By virtue of not being SpaceX. You do not realize how much entrenched interests hate SpaceX/Musk and there's a sizable force within the industry that absolutely hates SpaceX for taking away their prestige/jobs/etc.

>>14580527
>>14580525
Furthermore, they'll use the words like "competition" as a way to say "I THOUGHT YOU WANTED COMPETITION" to fuck with SpaceX. Beware of oldspace using the term "competition" what they are really saying is "we don't want to compete against spacex so let us have our own pork and you can do what you want with spacex"

>>14580530
Or in the case of NSSL, "I THOUGHT YOU WANTED COMPETITION THATS WY VULCAN/NEWGLENN WON AGAINST STARSHIP! STARSHIP BAD AND COULDN'T COMPETE"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1On3JH4V400

>>14580501
it's just largely being superceded. the trend in imaging and communications is cheaper low altitude swarms

Falcon 9 lunch in ~30 minutes

>>14580546
lonkie?

>>14580552
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCN-BMU9-hM

t-19 mins

its going to fail the landing
NTSB is going to try and fuck with it and falcon 9 won't launch for 6 months

>Merlin engine used(may still be) to run on nVidia GPU cards

In Finnish space is literally called 'the expanse' and it's kino

>>14580506
>>14580508
Sounds like some reddit tier shit that could easily be typed out or replaced with "I think" or something similar instead some stupid new-speak bullshit

>>14580567
more like "the extense"

>>14580567
did they change the title of the show "The Expanse"?

>>14580570
>NOOOOOO YOU CAN'T USE AN EASY ABBREVIATION!!! THATS REDDIT!!!
i will use it, cry redditfag

>>14580573
No they don't change names here

>>14579507
>Starship: Texas. Orbital flight test. No earlier than Q3
>SLS: Florida. Artemis I, uncrewed flight to lunar orbit and return to earth. Q3
Sir! Oi sir! You seem to be peeing upon my leg.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCN-BMU9-hM

MUSIC MUSIC MUSIC

>>14580567
That's pretty neat.
>>14580570
Lurk for 2 years before posting again

>>14580522
>hyperloop is a scam
that's true tho, you can puncture the tubes with a .22

>>14580584
Hyperloop only exists in their heads.

>>14580581
LIVE

Starting

holy kino video

t-7 min

God damn I love rockets

kill yourself faggot fuck off

>>14580581
13th launch
13th launch

>Pride month
/sfg/ on suicide watch

>LA PRIDE!
Fuck off gross homos

>Pride flags
stream ruined

I also fully expect some BLM signage for the Juneteenth launch

embarassing

is no one watching this holy kino?

>>14580606
No one except the 40,000+ people

You can see the construction site.

>>14580606
Starlink launches are old news now

>tower leaking again
lmao

>>14580606
What kino? Falcon heavy would be kino maybe.

Liftoff

holy fuck it exploded

MaxQute!

Perfect executions

>>14580613
>Heavy
soon. at least three heavy launches are planned this year

What's the little stringy bit that always flies off the very bottom of the engine bell after second stage startup? I know it's something normal but that doesn't mean I know what it is or what it's for. Is it just some interstage thing?

>>14580629
Prob frost liners that cracks off when the rocket separates

>>14580629
a stiffening ring

YAY

Falcon second stages got a lot less boring after seeing Astra's fuckups.

>>14580629
>>14580631
To prevent vibration damage during ascent.

>>14580637

just me or were the flames more visible on that landing?

>>14580638
kek

love the uninterrupted landing cam

>>14580598
TRANS-sonic pride

I'm gonna be at the site for the next lunch, I'll post some footage bros

>>14580640
How do they expect to land Superheavy/Starship when they can't stick the X with their existing rockets?

what a smooth landing

>booster used 13 times
spaceX still humiliating the whole industry

>>14580640
Why do people keep calling them perfect (or similar) landings when the booster is visibly offset from the centre of the circle? Ticks my autism hard every time.

Okay they've done thirteen landings with this one booster. Can we wash it now?

>>14579507
with three Falcon 9 launches this weekend, they are going to surpass the launch record of the Delta II workhorse at 155 total launches

>>14580658
perfect means not a gigantic fireball, but it's neat that we're in a position to nitpick

>>14580658
Because the actual target is the bigger circle. The smaller circle is for things that aren't under their control, so bit of leeway is fine.

Starlink deploy confirmed from the mission audio stream

>>14580660
They get pitch black, took this a few months back on my trip to FL

>>14580674
what a filthy bitch

>>14580660
When the coke deposits are so thick that it affects performance, sure.

>>14580680
>clean deposits off after a decade
>all the metal is gone and the coke was holding it together

>>14580667
>>14580669
Fair enough for this specific case of using "perfect", but I often see something akin to "Wow, the landing was really accurate this time, dead centre" when the booster is almost always still slightly offset like today. I don't even think it's an issue (although they do need to get accuracy down for chopsticks landings, but that's an entirely different system), it just irks me that people either need to get their eyes checked or feel the need to pointlessly exaggerate an already great accomplishment.

>>14580693
Certain things will never be under their control like the minute engine vibrations affecting offset by few inches or the limited data from the accelerometer or the gps or the cpu clock speed bottlenecks or the slight wind current or the slight ocean currents or the deck vibrations. That requires unlimited control, which is physically impossible.

>>14580693
oh, yeah fair enough. I wonder how the chopsticks look overlaid on a drone ship

>>14580700
it's easy anon, just use cgi instead of making rockets t428m

>>14580693
9 vs 33 engines allows for a lot more fine control.

>>14580701
Roughly similar in size to the drone's circle. Musk has said that landing on chopstick will look "slow" simply because the superheavy/starship will be huge so it will look like its hovering for a bit even when its not.

>>14580700
Of course and I understand that, I just don't want people to call it a bullseye landing when it isn't, even if it's as close as it'll realistically get. Yes, I'm that kinda guy.

>>14580711
Did you mean 1 vs 3 or 4 (can't remember what it currently is)?

>>14580720
If you actually watch gun/archery/dart competition, then you'd know that anything in the center counts as bullseye. Even if its off by few cms to the side. So the language usage is nominal.

>>14580726
I mean sure OK, but I was referring to that kind of phrasing in general, not necessarily specifically that word. But I'll keep that in mind for the future.

>>14579460
But chinks have a Mars rover?

>>14580720
The more engines you have the power split up into, the finer control you can assert over thrust.
This is just basic fucking logic.

https://twitter.com/RussianSpaceWeb/status/1537842231519985665

Russia side of ExoMars is finished. All the people have left the country.

>>14580712
I thought he say that they will be capable of hovering which will actually make the chopsticks strategy possible

>>14580780
No, he said that the rocket is so large that it makes it seem like its slow/hovering

>>14580660
Dirt on performance vehicles is a badge of honor. Porsche pretty often displays winning cars without cleaning them at all, and it's extremely cool. SpaceX is the only company currently flying dirty rockets, why wash them?

>>14580752
Yes, I'm aware of that, which is why I wrote that it's a different system. My point was that F9 lands with one engine while Super Heavy is probably going to use three, not 9 vs 33.

HOP WHEN????

>>14580578
They did like 10-20 years ago

>>14580793
Never

>>14580804
:(

Crisis averted lol.

>>14580844
I don't know what they were expecting. Private company, no bitching.

>>14579771
Goddess Empress Shotwell

Found this while helping with archive work: ASA televisions were advertised with pictures of astronauts and Laika

>>14579771
>We have too much critical work to accomplish and no need for this kind of overreaching activism.
Based Shotwell. So damn glad the wife was able to get her autograph.

>>14580858
Bitching is fine, wanting Musk removed from SpaceX isn't. Wanting management to take action agianst Musk isn't. Harassing other employees isn't. Using company services to mass email isn't. Going to reporter isn't.

>>14580880
In what company, let alone SpaceX, does bitching to upper management not result in immediate termination?

So that's why the ESA has a bus in their >>14579518 graphic. There's interest in new designs.

There's a SpaceX alumnus who founded a space tug business late last year. They just got their first venture capital funding. Gotta watch out for these decloaking stealth startups. People are getting poached right out from under us.

>>14580885
Most companies are fine with bitching to upper management. There's a difference between talking about it and asking for action publicly.

>>14580891
"We want SpaceX without Spacex" has a certain crowd behind it, especially those skeptics who have dug too deep to get out of the hole themselves.

>>14580891
Spacetugs are genuinely a massive business ready to bloom. You just buy a slot and sell it to others who want a more specific orbit without buing a dedicated launch

>>14580885
what do you mean, upper management exists to be bitched at, that's like 80% of their duties

>>14579449
VIPER, educate yourself my man

Is the integration tower gonna be taller than the VAB? I think theres a chance it becomes the tallest structure in all of Florida

>>14580885
Personal attacks against the founder/major voting power/major owner of the company is an absolute NO-NO. Especially when that personal attack is derived from non-company related activities and driven by political ideology.

>>14580914
>Y'all cowards don't even spinlaunch

I love all the underage lefties on twitter who can't wrap their heads around the idea that you can be fired for violating your terms of employment, it has to be Musk Man Bad.

The White House (i.e. Kamala Harris, who runs the National Space Council) put out guidance on Russian space cooperation today.

>In response to Putin’s aggression, the U.S. government has taken active measures to limit bilateral science and technology research cooperation with the Russian government.

>Consistent with U.S. domestic and international law, we will wind down institutional, administrative, funding, and personnel relationships and research collaborations in the fields of science and technology with Russian government-affiliated research institutions and individuals who continue to be employed by or work under the direction of those institutions.

>Such projects and programs that commenced and/or were funded prior to Russia’s further invasion of Ukraine in February 2022 may be concluded, but new projects in affected subject areas will not be initiated. Applicable Departments and Agencies have been advised to curtail interaction with the leadership of Russian government-affiliated universities and research institutions, as well as those who have publicly expressed support for the invasion of Ukraine.

Venera-D bros... I know some people who are not going to be happy.

>*crack*
>*siiipp*
what's /sfg/ exploring on a friday evening?

>>14580973
My complete lack of hope for the future and maybe PoE2 later.

>>14580973
Ugh don't remind me
KASA wants me to drop a nine-kerbal outpost on the moon and I don't have the good RCS thrusters or radial engines yet. Tips over on landing every time.

>>14580973
I just got done exploring Switzerland, Jungfrau region is amazing, it's a shame my stay here has come to an end.

>>14580973
Listening to the lastest podcast of Fall of Civilizations while getting my ass raped by NPC's on hard settings in anno 1800.

>>14580983
Build the craft sideways so that it sits longways on landing

>>14580989
That's another part that sucks, it needs a science lab but I don't have any structural parts at that size node yet. Building it horizontal gets unbalanced pretty much right away. I suppose I could build it ten-kerbal and just drop two hitchhikers on either side, cross my fingers and hope for the best...

>>14580973
Friends and I are doing a week-by-week watch of Stranger Things. I think tonight we're watching eps 5 & 6. Afterwards, we'll have a few drinks and talk about what we think is gonna happen.
>And they will be on Mars
Hello to Bulgaria from the US

>>14581024
sus

>>14581024

>>14580973
>do a long-ass ion engine burn on a Moho probe
>radiatior heat goes from 34.78% to 34.21% due to fuel taking heat with it
some KSP mods have crazy amounts of detail

>>14581044
>>14581055