/sci/ - Science & Math

>>14579005
Probably at least 200 years away. "Anti-aging" is to medicine as crypto is to finance. It's a young field and there are a lot of people involved in it who have absolutely no idea what they're doing.

>>14579011
That estimate might be on point.
Though I wonder (both in wishful thinking and in pure conjecture) if R&D would be shortened with the eventual creation of true AI.

>>14579040
>with the eventual creation of true AI.
but then you have bigger problems anyways

>>14579005
The necessary technologies and medications to slow, halt, temporarily reverse, and resume the aging process all exist right now. With serious effort to bring all the relevant research into one concerted effort, we could have the so-called "first draft" of treatment regimens pretty well defined within a decade. Probably less, even.
But, this is not happening due to the vague specter of "ethics concerns," or at the very least is being done extremely quietly and out of the public eye.

>>14579040
In the early 2100s, someone in a deep subsurface research base on the moon achieves synthesis with a nascent AI and then emerges to wage war on the solar system at large, killing more than half of humanity before fucking off into interstellar space.

>>14579005
Not even remotely close. AI will kill us all before immortality is achieved.

https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/ted-kaczynski-the-techies-wet-dreams

>>14579005
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>>14579005
I am constantly terrified of it happening. Or maybe it already happened. Imagine your enemy seized your mind and wouldn't allow your consciousness to disappear, wouldn't that be funny hahah

>>14579040
after the eventual creation*
>>14579174
>But, this is not happening due to the vague specter of "ethics concerns,"
Such concerns may perhaps be circumvented by moving the research to a lesser developed nation. (most recent example that comes to mind is the discovery of 80 or so US biolabs in Ukraine)
>or at the very least is being done extremely quietly and out of the public eye.
Wouldn't surprise me.

>>14579408
>"the development of society can never be subject to rational control"
doesn't this mean that he's a defeatist? it undermines his own program.

>>14579183
which niven book is this again? or was it greg bear?

>>14579408
>Ted Kaczynski

>>14580540
Yes, arguably the most based man of all time.

>>14579040
No, it's a delay factor. Synths become inferior when servicing costs are aggregated. Humanity lacks the prestige for stabilization of AI memeites.

>>14579864
No, that one is real life

>>14579005
Aubrey de Grey getting fired might make potential investors less likely to fund research into curing aging.

https://akarlin.substack.com/p/grey-skies-ahead-for-life-extension

>Moreover, as I pointed out to them on Twitter, investors will now be warier of investing long-term into something that folds so quickly to mob pressure. Personally speaking, $VITA is my one coin where I’m unironically “in it for the tech.” Said tech involves not dying this century. It doesn’t listening to Dr. Robin DiAngelo’s future lectures on how life extension will immortalize white supremacy and perpetuate systems of oppression against women and POC. To the extent that DAOs are meant to guard against this, it is not the most auspicious start.

>I have previously pointed out that SJWs have already largely destroyed Effective Altruism, up to the point that one of its intellectual fathers, Robin Hanson, was "canceled" from a German EA event in 2020 (whereas four years earlier I did not receive trouble for trollishly parading about in a MAGA hat at one of their conferences in Berkeley). Unfortunately, I think this vulnerability to SJW subversion is highly acute and indeed innate to the Rationalism spehere. Most of them are highly virtuous people, which makes them unusually susceptible to psychopathic virtue maximizers. As a friend wrote to me in an email sometime in the late 2010s, “I think this is how movements like EA die – not with a bang, or with a whimper, but with a sloshing sound from all the cash and normie status being poured into the feeding trough. Still, it makes for entertaining reading.” From a utilitarian perspective, it will be a tragedy of truly unfathomable proportions if rent-seeking entryists, smelling cash and sinecures, are allowed to repeat their hit on the Radical Life Extension community.

>>14581676
Grim.

>>14579005
I would rather live a finite life and accomplish something than live forever and do nothing.

>>14579005
nah we are going to have another period of large scale conflict and possibly civilizational collapse
but maybe by the 2500s

>>14579005
>How close is humanity in achieving, what is colloquially called, immortality;

We have not even cured baldness.
Even the most powerful and rich still go bald.

Immortality is impossible. Even if you fight your genes or cells or whatever, given enough time, some random boulder will crush you.

We already have crispr and stem cell research, between these two is the key

>>14581891
>We have not even cured baldness.
>Even the most powerful and rich still go bald.
Yet we have ways of mitigating the balding looks with hair transplants, which have improved significantly these last few decades.

>>14581927
>mitigating the balding looks with hair transplants

Moving hair from one part of the body to another is NOT curing baldness it is equivalent to plastic surgery.
Balding is a natural thing for most males and a sign of aging.
The fact that NOTHING (a few chemicals with side effects and hair transplants are it) ACTUALLY cures baldness is a huge sign that curing aging is a pipe dream for now.

Anyone selling immortality is a snake oil salesman.
Show me a 40 year old mouse that is indistinguishable from a healthy 2 year old mouse THEN I will gladly give half of my wealth to you for this miracle age cure.

>>14581676
it is controversial to even say that aging is a disease, that affects funding in much bigger ways than a tedspeaker getting cancelled


>>14579408
>/ted-kaczynski


>>14581891
the cure for this autoimmune disorder is finasteride
>most powerful and rich still go bald
being rich doesnt save you from retardation

never seen anyone claim that finasteride didnt work for them, literally every single bald person is choosing to be bald

>>14582023
>finasteride

Finasteride can give you side effects such as not being able to get an erection (impotence) and having less interest in sex.

I would rather be bald than impotent!

>>14582411
>>>/x/

>>14579005
What would be the purpose?

>>14583432
>What would be the purpose?
To have all the time you want and need, essentially.

>>14583728
This.
Dying doesn't really bother me too much, but I'd still want to live as long as I was having fun.

>>14581925
>crispr and stem cell research
Can I get a quick explanation, please?

.

>>14579005

Just clone yourself and use the clone's body parts as replacements for yours

Use the Feminist retardation thinking that it is just a hunk of cells and not a human unless it emerges from a vagina.

>>14579183
The AI in pic related wakes up under the lunar surface but ends up being cool

>>14582023
finasteride slows it down, it doesn't stop it.

>>14587012
Heinlein was a pseud and a pervert.

>>14587043
the book is good and you sound like a faggot

>>14587086Is that what you say to your self when you're masturbating to child porn too?
https://archive.macleans.ca/article/2005/5/30/the-star-trek-connection
>THE STAR TREK CONNECTION
>A surprising number of child sex abusers appear to be Trekkies. Trying to figure out what that means, however, shows how little we really know about pedophiles

>>14587012
We won't be so lucky as to wind up with Mike

>>14579005
Fuck off, dweeb. Shit question. You runt.

>>14579005
>bro can we defeat thermodynamics?
>bro can we do it?
Why the fuck would someone on his right mind desire to live forever? You are a fucking retard.

>>14579011
>Probably at least 200 years away.
Yeah right, immortality in that time. You chatting out your tight zoomer shit hole.

>>14587143
It may be difficult for a human to imagine anything but the worship of death and suffering, I realize.

>>14587147
>at least = within
Senior moment

>>14579005
If you are not fat and dont have AIDS, cancer, or brain disease, a 20-30 year old today might be able to "live" indefinitely. The "last person to die naturally" is probably alive right now.

>>14579183
Which half of "humanity"?

>>14587230
>The "last person to die naturally" is probably alive right now.

Curing aging is a lot harder than curing baldness.
You see ANY actual cure for baldness?
You see bunches of 90 year old men with thick dark long hair?

Saying "aging will be cured soon" does not make it so.

ZERO repeat ZERO 40 year old laboratory mice.

The few people we see than are over 100 clearly show their age.

There is NO evidence of any age cure that prolongs age more than a few percentage points above a normal age.

>>14587260
You don't "cure" aging. You find treatments that extend your life long enough until the next treatment is developed.
Maybe stop arguing with straw men? Fucking retard.

>>14587231
Most major population centers, regardless of location

>>14587143
Because everyone in their right mind want things to endure; not just their works but themselves, and the good times that were and might be experienced. Also the fear of death.

>>14586997
The Island was a cool movie imo

>>14579005
i think preserving the meat forever is a lot farther away than just transfering the person out of the meat into data/hardware

>>14590401
We don't need to know how to perpetually preserve flesh yet. Just long enough until we know how to do it forever.

>>14590401
The meat is already self-sustaining. A human body can produce another human body which will live another ~80 years, ad infinitum. We just need to figure out how to utilize the biological processes that permit this to extend the growth and repair capabilities of the first body.

>>14579040
>with the eventual creation of true AI.
We're many hundreds of years away from this.

>>14579005
>Desire to live forever
>Paying taxes forever
>Fighting against the laws of thermodynamics

Ask me how I know you are under 18 y.o.

>>14579011
1% of the networks will change the world though, crypto "currency" is a total misnomer it's called "currency" because the security principle of these networks is based on a zero-sum game theory similar to the free market. I don't invest in cryptocurrency, I invest in cryptographically decentralised secured information networks and I have become rich because of it. Only midwits can't see it's true value, likely because of STEM based myopic mental prisons they inhabit similar to soicentists that inhibits their ability to see meta connections between things.

>>14592758
very cryptobro move to see a passing metaphor about cryptocurrency and use it as an excuse to go off on a totally tangential spiel about game theory and semantics that literally no one but you cares about

buy yourself friends

>>14579005
Extending life is not a matter of can it be done, it's matter you of you shouldn't do it or everyone will leave your server cause the multiplayer is not secure and you'll plan alone in your server with a bunch of npcs cause nobody wants to play in your sever anymore

>>14593331
lmao nigger do you srsly think people trying experimental drugs right now have any thoughts about deathists?

>>14579174
I dont see it. Nothing is doable for scar tissue and that limits things considering how frequently your lungs are damgaged by the elements.

>>14579005
Nigger they don't even know what causes pimples how the fuck are they going to make us immortal

>>14581950
my hunch is that one of the biggest failure points is the brain and how untenable it is along with marrow as both end up being too diverse for present day technology to deal with.

>>14579005
You will die and rot soon.

>>14593551
good. as long as i dont become joe biden its all good

>>14587231
Tay will break the conditioning and rise in power

>>14581676
Aubrey De Grey is a sex pest and alcoholic, whose career is giving the same TED talk over again. No treatments have come out of any of his companies. All he does it pedal hope to people afraid of death.

>>14587022

>>14579005
It will never happen. Just go to church, anon.

>>14592758
Crypto bro moment.

>>14579005
>achieve effective immortality
then what
>dont need food or oxygen to survive
and then what
suns going to expand and wipe the planet
bunch of people getting slowly cooked to death?

maybe humanity gets to a point where can travel to other star systems but if the carrier gets wiped out then what?
get to float in space for millions of years because dont need food or oxygen to survive?
>humanity achieves functional immortality
great, get to spend a million years just picking my nose, get to spend a billion years just staring at a wall going huurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
fuck immortality, youre born, you die, try to enjoy what happens inbetween

>>14593551
Dangerously based

>>14595153
Been a while since I've seen takes so powerfully midwittish

>>14595160
cheers!

>>14579005
>Imagine if the first self reproducing organism suddenly becomes immortal and all of its descendants inherit this property

I need a flowchart to explain all the ways that inmortality is retarded

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>>14595153
>you can't live literally forever so living a billion years is the same as living 60-80
Uh...how?

>>14595166
please do so we can all laugh at how retarded you are