/sci/ - Science & Math

what does promoting kikes have to do with spaceflight?

>>14574174
we gaan

Third for Relativity's Terran R, the future of spaceflight

>>14574187
The hard R is going to be so cool if they ever get it off the ground

If I could a kalash for less than 500 euros I would have one for every single room in my house, two for the bathrooms, and another for my car

>Discussion of small-lift rockets, especially A*tra

>>>/toy/

>>14574198
No point when you live in a country with no niggers. Plus, if a war breaks out, the government will be handing them out like bread.

>>14574205
Yeah but Romanians

>>14574211
Romanians are bros. Gypsies, you don't shoot, but fight with your hands for street cred. It's a mans rite of passage.

>>14574174
How are we going to adapt humans to space and live on other satellites?

>5 launches a year
How will muskrats cope?

>not even Saturn V was capable of launching 5 times in a year
We're gonna make it bros

>Three Starship launch pads in Florida

>>14574239
>not even Saturn V was capable of launching 5 times in a year
ENTER

>>14574253
What's that?

>>14574236
Five launches this year, five launches next year, who knows how many from KSC

It's doable. The risk lies in not messing up the refueling or losing the depot to an "accident" in the meantime. It could be a lot less launches if they don't put much on the demo HLS but I suspect NASA wouldn't waste an opportunity to land 100 tons of whatever it wants on the lunar surface

>>14574253
So long as SpaceX achieves it within four years of the first orbital flight test, they'll be on pace to match STS pre-Challenger.

>>14574239
Saturn V could reach the moon in one launch

>>14574262
And it couldn't go anywhere else. Starship will be one upper stage vehicle to everywhere.

>>14574236
>five launches this year
>five launches early next year
>Florida launches
>motivation to build the oil rig
If they can dial in the landing in ten launches by May, they can switch to Florida for launches while they build the oil rig in international waters.

yeah but vandenberg starship launches when?

>>14574258
A spaceplane

>>14574269
it most definitely isn't

>>14574269
Wrong again

Imagine the sound.

>>14574262
It could reach lunar orbit with 50 tons or so (Apollo 11 weighed about 51.5 tons at launch).

The lander back then had just enough fuel to bring 18 tons to the surface and return with 5 tons.

The HLS is inefficient in the sense that it has to get itself to the Moon, land and take off all with the same craft, but that makes the whole thing reusable

>>14574236
It's 14-16 launches if you want to reuse the same Starship HLS for multiple lunar landings and ascents.

It's 4-5 if you don't. I can't see an additional 10+ superheavy launches being cheaper than just welding together a new HLS for each Artemis mission. These ridiculous reusable conops will never happen.

>>14574266
I wonder what they will do after rhwy run out of launches next year. 6 months of doing nothing at boca chica or abandoning the site? How long would extensions to the 5 launches take if they start the process right now? Can they do the application without doing an orbital launch first?

>>14574322
>I wonder what they will do after rhwy run out of launches next year.
Try to bargain for more launches, improve or expand their launch complex fabrication capacity, and build offshore platform module prototypes.

Good morning /sfg/

Why did Armstong not like Welon?

>>14574331
anon, it's 3am

I thought it was S24, are we back to saying SN now?

>>14574361
Delete this

>>14574361
>I thought it was S24, are we back to saying SN now?
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1536896085557399552
>Starship SN24 in the High Bay

What's up with those trolls and retards crying about 5 launches a year? We have known about that for months, it's public information. Moreover, that comes from SpaceX proposal. It means that they are not planning to break that number in the nearest future, and that makes sense. For comparison, it took four years for Falcon 9 to launch six times in a year, and that was a smaller and 'simpler' rocket. Each full stack takes at least a few months to build, and I'll be surprised if they manage to launch five time in 2023.
inb4
>what about HLS?
That's what the launch site in Florida is for.
>>14574361
Told ya, SN sounds better and Elon confirms it.

>>14574372
Yes, hence my confusion

So Booster 7 is supposed to have two pairs of chines now.

>>14574322
There's actually a port in boca chica. They could build hardware for their offshore launch site and ship it out from there. Depending on their plans, if they want to launch virgin boosters and starships from oil rigs they need to build a barge to haul them out, a crane to move them from land to barge, and so on. They also have additional authority to static fire and perform suborbital launches, which could be used for other testing. And like anons have mentioned we're one Chinese space achievement away from SpaceX getting to do whatever they want.

>>14574374
Cope. It's obvious to anyone with a semblance of a brain that neither site will EVER be allowed to reach the cadence necessary for Mars. Boca Chica will be the production site, platforms will do refueling, and KSC will be disembarking point for crew.

>>14574389
>site will EVER be allowed to reach the cadence necessary for Mars
Source: your ass

>>14574389

>>14574372
GOD DAMNIT MUSK!

>>14574395
Why do you think SpaceX bought two oil rigs? They're aware of the fact that Boca Chica is too close to Port Isabel and their launches from that location will always be limited. Furthermore they can only access a limited amount of inclinations without overflying land and while that might be technically allowable in the future it's certainly not desirable.

They literally named the rigs Phobos and Deimos, if that doesn't clue you in to the purpose.

>>14574410
the oil rigs will never happen

>>14574415
>the oil rigs will never happen
When they do, will you post a video of yourself eating your hat?

>>14574415
Why the hell not you stupid bastard?

>>14574415
why not? seem like a good idea, the coasts of USA are full of earthers and nature reserves, you also need to have floating platforms for point-to-point

reminder:
the oil rigs will never happen
E2E will never happen
mar-rated starships will never happen

>>14574432
they will, cry about it

fed is expected to raise interest rates tomorrow. it's going to be another big hit to the american and global economies. expect space companies to go bankrupt.

>>14574423
You first mistake was believing elon musk

>>14574445
The enormous, vast majority of companies founded in a burgeoning inevitably fold.

>>14574445
today*

>>14574431
The whole ocean is a nature reserve. an EIS is required for each location

>>14574445
Is this the new cope after the FAAggots posted the nitigated fonsi?

>>14574451
Low effort bait

>>14574454
If anyone's baiting it's you. Guess what? All FAA and EPA laws apply regardless where SpaceX operates

>>14574453
This doesn't apply to SpaceX. It applies to companies like momentous, astra, relativity, etc.

>>14574449
When will the spaceflight bubble pop?

>>14574449
lol wow I fucked that up: burgeoning *sector*.

>>14574462
Probably in tandem with a major economic contraction. Soon™, I guess.

>>14574451
Lol, no it isnt

>>14574181
Spaceflight requires STEM education that penetrates young, nubile minds.

>>14574174
heyyyyyyy

>>14574258
An Orion and EUS precursor.

Soon.

>>14573857
Yes, I unironically work at a rocket startup in one of the European countries

>>14574514

Is spaceship 2.0 real? 18 fucking meters in diameter!?

>>14574592
Not yet

>>14574236
>he thinks its 5 launches for the finished, fully certified launch vehicle.
it wont even need a launch cadence that high with the payload it can carry. heck, 5 experimental launches a year is still more payload than the shittle dragged into space in a year.

>>14574269
a plane can take off a runway

>>14574592
>spaceship 2.0
Kek

>>14574583
What are you guys planning to do in the post-Starship world?

>>14574650
Complain about earthers

>>14574236
>still faster than sls

>>14574650
post-Starship
when is that? 2050? 2150? some platforms are dominant for a long ass time.

>>14574236
>he doesn't know about the Florida launch site

>>14574684
Sorry, I mean to ask what's the point of starting a launch company with Falcon 9 already operational and Starship getting close, not what they'll do once Starship is obsolete.

>>14574650
>>14574684
>post-Starship
Falcon 9 rideshare and space tugs are already pushing in the shit of small-launch. Even without Starship most of those companies will become bankrupt.

>>14574703
This desu~, firefly and astra and the gorillion other shitlaunch paper companies were already doomed. Hell they were doomed without starship or the recession. They’ll blame the latter for sure but they were all at best misguided and often just scams
It’ll be payload scams next

June 16 0600 GMT - KARI - Nuri (KSLV-II): Naro LC-2, Goheung County, South Korea. Flight test of KSLV-II
June 17 1608 GMT - SpaceX - Falcon 9: LC-39A, Florida. Starlink 4-19. Drone ship booster recovery.
June 18 1400 GMT - SpaceX - Falcon 9: SLC-4E, California. SARah 1, synthetic aperture radar for German military. Landing zone 4 booster recovery.
June 19 0430 GMT - SpaceX - Falcon 9: SLC-40, Florida. Globalstar satellite and unidentified secondary payloads. Drone ship booster recovery.
June 22 2103 GMT - ESA - Ariane 5: French Guiana. Two communications satellites for Malaysia and India.
June 25 - Rocket Lab - Electron: Mahia Peninsula, New Zealand. CAPSTONE to lunar halo orbit, for NASA.
June 28 2104 GMT - SpaceX - Falcon 9: SLC-40, Florida. SES 22 communications satellite for US television and data service.
June 29 - ULA - Atlas 5: SLC-41, Florida. USSF 12, experimental missile warning satellite for the Space Force.
June ? - ISRO - SSLV: Sriharikota, India. Small Satellite Launch Vehicle's first orbital test flight.

July 11 - SpaceX - Falcon 9: LC-39A, Florida. CRS 25 resupply to the ISS, Cargo Dragon.
Sept 20 - SpaceX - Falcon Heavy: LC-39A, Florida. NASA probe to explore metallic asteroid Psyche. Landing zone 1/2 booster recovery.
Q3 - SpaceX - Starship: Texas. Orbital flight test.
Q3 - NASA - SLS: Florida. Artemis I, uncrewed flight to lunar orbit and return to earth.
Q3 - Firefly - Alpha: California. Small satellite rideshare mission, second flight.
Q3 - SpaceX - Falcon Heavy: LC-39A, Florida. ViaSat broadband communications satellite.
Q3/Q4? - SpaceX - Falcon Heavy: LC-39A, Florida. USSF 44 satellites to geosynchronous orbit. Drone ship booster recovery.
October - SpaceX - Falcon Heavy: LC-39A, Florida. USSF 52 classified payload.
Q4 - SpaceX - Falcon 9: LC-39A, Florida. Polaris Dawn missions on Crew Dragon. Pathfinding technologies for Crew Starship.

>>14574239
saturn v launched 5 times in 328 days for apollo 8, 9, 10, 11, and 12. the original plan was for 6 launches a year and the VAB/launch complex 39 were built to handle up to 12 with no modifications.

>>14574628
Damn man, this is so fucking dope. Talk about sending a message.

>>14574650
Finish dying

>>14574410
To spread fear and dread among Earthers?

>>14574181
I want to attach a bunch of kites to a rocket to give it a boost. Surely this will work.

>>14574181
>>14574174

it's the F A Ayyyyyyyyyyyyy

>Read a case for mars
>MFW reading normie comments on why we can't make the trip
If I read one more retard saying we should go to the moon first I'll kill someone. Or about radiation.

>>14574236
Let's assume that SpinLaunch is technically possible. Is there a reason why it couldn't be used to sling a bunch of fuel containers into an orbit where they then could maneuver to a tanker to be drained and then allowed to decay down into the atmosphere? Even if the container needed to use some portion of its fuel to make up the difference between the altitude the SpinLaunch puts it at and where the tankers orbit, seems like the SpinLauncher could do its thing 24/7 in assembly line fashion.

>>14574807
mechanically its not feasible. their test rig is already sketchy as fuck, and borders on impracticality since you cant really just scale it up even more without giving any structural engineer and material scientist you task with that a laughing attack.

>>14574807
if you want to launch coke bottles filled with fuel, sure. anything larger, not so much.

>>14574733
In that case, Elon Musk is a failure

>>14574827
When Musk is given 4.41% of the federal government, then you can throw stones at him for not matching Apollo's cadence.

>>14574804
Too many people think no one ever considered radiation or thought about how to avoid it when necessary.

>>14574832
For 2022, that would be $300 billion. No idea how much SpaceX spends per year, but I'm sure it's far less than that.

>>14574807
Because if you're going to be launching fuel tankers you need to be moving tons of mass as a minimum. Spinlaunch is talking about flinging payloads in the same weight class as Electron, about a quarter ton at most. You're never going to be able to effectively gas up a car if your filling the tank in 20 oz increments.

>>14574807
SpinLaunch is bullshit and Hullo indulging it is disgusting

>>14574839
that's easily more than spacex has spent in its entire existence

>>14574861
No it's not even close

/a/ made something for us

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJ5HWyAGS90

>>14574892
This one is better
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4xJkhGBvKk

>>14574807
Chemical fuel seems extremely unpractical if you think about the mass and volume involved. But — how about nuclear pellets? Assuming the thing works (or really, suppose Bull didn't get m*ssadded), wouldn't it be more practical and safer to throw the things up without overly complicated chemical rockets?

https://mobile.twitter.com/SciGuySpace/status/1537099932926152704

> It looks like Blue Origin will use the same contractor as SpaceX did to modify a large drone ship for landing its New Glenn rocket's first stage. After moving on from the Jacklyn landing ship, it appears Blue Origin is pivoting to very Falcon 9-like operations.

>>14574910
Jeff truly is the king of #metoo.

>>14574650
There is certainly time before starship becomes operational, and our concept is all about mass and cost savings. Besides, there will always be demand for dedicated launches?

>>14574910
So how much money did he spend on that first boat?

>>14574920
Not if starship cadence is extremely quick and they have lots of rideshare + spacetugs become cheap and easy
Starship will drive down the cost of everything that is mass constrained in space and the cheapness will allow quick iteration in other space tech will will again drive prices lower
What is the market for dedicated small shipping?

>>14574514
>Each costs the equivalent of Starship's project costs to launch
It's amazing NASA is doing as well as they are DESU.

>>14574453
You should be concerned about the rate hikes given that it's not going to take much more for the US government to be unable to pay it's debnts. The alternative is to continue letting inflation skyrocket, so yeah, fiat currency, very cool.

>>14574453
Yep. Doomers gonna doom.

So SpaceX is hoping to have Starbase, LC-39A, and LC-49 ready as Starship pass. Maybe even SLC-40 at the cape too. Crazy.
The 5 launches thing is disappointing but if SpaceX doesn’t nuke Starbase, they have a good shot of raising that.
My biggest concern is HLS because that date is coming up.

>>14574895
very nice, thanks for sharing

it took a long time to start commercializing the ISS. if nasa builds a base on the moon, would it also take a long time?

>>14574987
Commercial teams are the only ones interested in doing anything vaguely interesting at this point.

>>14574174
Eeeeeeeeeeeeeehhhhhhhhhhhhyyyyyyyy

So say we all.

>>14574959
>What is the market for dedicated small shipping?
What is trucking or delivery vans?

>>14574910
Did they finally realize that there's a very high chance of failure during landing?

>>14575001
Delivery vans are last mile, more akin to spacetugs

2020s - nasa returns to the moon
2030s - some exploration, maybe temp habitat
2040s - preparing to build a permanent habitat
2060s - nasa's permanent lunar habitat is ready for it's 3 person crew

>>14574987
Nasa has no ambitions right now.

>>14574687
It wasn't on the advertising material. SpaceX only loaned BO's PR studio for so long.

>>14574262
you can put a bunch of rocketlab electrons inside starship's engine bay and those can then get to the moon. so starship can do single launch to moon too.

>>14575007
>clown_dressing_up.jpg

>>14575017
>engine bay
payload bay. brain fart.

>>14574379
According to who, renderers? Elon and the head of the Booster development team talked about the chines on the booster in estronauts more recent tour of starbase, and they talked about there being only two of them.

>>14574182
yup

>>14574592
18 meters in radius

>>14574807
Ten thousand gees of centripetal force, and it still needs a two stage rocket to achieve orbit.

>>14574910
ahahahahaha
Did his mom make him angry recently or something

>>14574920
>Besides, there will always be demand for dedicated launches
Cheaper to buy a dedicated launch on a Starship than a dedicated launch on an Electron. Payload mass doesn't matter only launch price matters.

>>14575001
>What is trucking or delivery vans?
Equivalent to Starship. Nobody uses expendable or partially expendable trucks. Your argument would make sense if we were talking about Starship vs some other much smaller fully reusable rocket but that's not the case.

>>14575036
No, see, an anon informed /sfg/ that launchers endure kilogee pyroshock accelerations so spinlaunch is quite feasible :^)

>>14574807
propellant is stored in the balls

>>14575006
>>14575048
To be fair, it can take years for Starships to become operational. Our design focuses on cost and mass savings to the fullest extend, so it would be able to have an edge over other launchers.

You don't pilot a giant freighter to deliver a single container to a store, do you?

>>14575007

>>14575062
Is that the viewing stand at Kennedy? I wish I still had my pics of those posters but RIP that phone.

>>14575062
There's wildly optimistic and there's whatever this is

>>14574807
You can't just throw something into orbit. If you don't do a throost at the top, perihelion is still zero.

>>14575064
That looks like something hanging on the wall they have up around the Artemis exhibit under construction at KSC

>>14575045
It will be a long fucking while before the price for a Starship launch will reach 10 million USD. They still need to recoporate the development costs for one.

>>14574959

I dont understand the intended market for starship beyond elon musks mars colony scifi fantasy who is supposed to pay for starship? There does not seem to be any commercial demand for super heavy lift boosters. NASA has the SLS and the military has what it needs so who pays for starship?

>>14575086
He's intending to make a new market. When yiu can hundreds of tonnes into space cheap you will see a lot of new players emerge, especially those interested in manufacturing in space. Though at the moment the biggest purpose Starship will serve is to launch Starlink.

>>14575068
I get your point, but you mean perigee, or periapsis, not perihelion. No one is starting from the surface of the Sun.

75 actions MUST be completed before you even think about a launch license

>>14575053
At those durations isn't the "acceleration" basically just sound vibration? lol.

>>14575061
>You don't pilot a giant freighter to deliver a single container to a store, do you?
Again your argument is wrong. If you pick Starship to launch a 1U cubesat, that's not the same as using a giant ship to move one container, because the context is fundamentally different. Starship may be absurdly overbuilt to launch a tiny payload, but if it's the cheapest ride it's the cheapest ride. If your design actually focused on reducing cost (mass savings are a meme) then it would be a fully reusable launch vehicle.

>>14575062
Lmao, imagine actually thinking SLS will be around until 2100+, what a fucking blackpill to have willingly swallowed

Also if Starship costs as much as Falcon 9 to fly it could eat F9’s market too

>>14575078
>They still need to recoporate the development costs for one
No they don't. They aren't taking out loans.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhdQ0VnmRI4&ab_channel=EagerNetwork-EricGunnerson

>>14575078
Price is prolly gonna be $60 million per launch for a while but the cost to fly should hopefully be lower

>>14575129
What year will SLS die?

>>14575138
I think once Starship does HLS and everyone realizes that SLS can’t do anything. Starship can lift bigger payloads into orbit while fully reusable, and can fly way way way more often. And it’s cheaper.

>>14575138
Biden will make sure it doesn't.

>>14575138
When they find a way to make more money developing something new.

>>14575086
Starlink profits will keep Starship Happy Space Colony Funtime on financial life support permanently. This is only possible because SpaceX is not publicly traded and is therefore NOT legally required to make decisions to maximize shareholder monetary profits.

In 2016, SpaceX was only allowed to fly from the Cape twice a month by the FAA. Now, they can fly 70 times per year (5+ a month). SpaceX just has to show Starship can launch without exploding and soon they’ll be able to fly more

>>14575142
Why make money developing something new when you can make money developing something old?

>>14575147
Yeah pretty much. Everyone gets tentative permission to try new things until they prove they aren't retarded, unless your governing body is the CCP in which case it's full retard full steam ahead

>>14575069
That particular poster might be from a different location, but there is (was?) one identical to it on the back of the bleachers of the viewing area when I visited in 2018. It had several such posters for various rockets/missions and looked really nice.

>>14575138
2028

>>14575061
>You don't pilot a giant freighter to deliver a single container to a store, do you?
Rockets benefit more from economy of scale than any other mode of transportation due to the tyranny of the rocket equation and the lack of size restrictions for accessing space. The only roadblocks on the way to rockets even larger than Starship is launch cadence and FAA approval.

Imagine a world without planes and any landmasses besides small islands, Starship is basically a containership that can travel to any port at near the same speed and cost as smaller ships. While on route it can dispatch rigid inflatable boats(chemical or electric space tugs) to ports that don't need as much cargo. There could be a few customers willing to continue their payload mass autism while paying ten times more to get their satellite to orbit possibly slightly faster but it's barely enough to feed one provider, let alone the literally hundreds of small-lift startups. Reminder that Electron was never profitable despite having virtually no competition in its class.

It’s strange to think that Starship “is real” at last. SLS is fuckin doomed

>>14575166
Ah. I don't remember any posters on the bleachers when I was there in 2021 but then again it was a night launch and the spotlights are only up front.

here is your new lunar rover bro
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKlhbGXkUPk

I toured Kennedy in 2018 and I remember asking my tour guide why Constellation was cancelled and the dude didn’t know why I was talking about

>>14575188
>While on route it can dispatch rigid inflatable boats(chemical or electric space tugs) to ports that don't need as much cargo.
Cargo ships don't do this. E2e Starships wont either.

>>14575194
They have been stacking and unstacking starship for a year, I'm starting to doubt it's real anymore.

>>14575210
>I am retarded
we know

>>14575212
>replying to it

>>14574910
It's going to be hard for "SpaceX, but worse" to compete with SpaceX

> Starship is a done deal!
/sfg/ is just not ready for the Tile Trouble arc

>>14575228
Tbh even with tile trouble, SpaceX can still deploy Starlink and do HLS missions (although the latter would suck with losing tankers)

>>14575086
>>14575102
Yes, it's called the Jevons Paradox.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jevons_paradox

>>14575206
Obama's budget proposals cut NASA's allocation every year he was in office. (Congress pushed back each time.) There are plenty of juicy reasons to speculate why he cancelled the program but that's another discussion.

>>14575188
>Rockets benefit more from economy of scale than any other mode of transportation
I'd say ocean vessels actually benefit more. Going bigger with a rocket minimizes the mass percentage that things like electronics/avionics, thermal coatings, shielding etc take up, which is not a huge deal beyond heavy lift vehicle size anyway. Meanwhile oceanic transport experiences constant drag, and by making ships twice as big they get 4x as much drag but 8x as much volume/mass, so doubling the size of the ship essentially doubles the fuel economy. For rockets to behave like this they would need to have some kind of relationship where doubling the size doubled the delta V, which would be insanely advantageous but isn't the case.

>>14575206
Constellation was more of a shitshow than SLS

>>14575205
what do they put in the balls

>>14575231
oh the Tanker Trouble arc will be along right afterwards never fear

>>14575206
>and the dude didn’t know why I was talking about
It does not surprise me at all. NASA hires "dreamers" who "think big", not pragmatic people who want to push actual change in the space industry. People who worship NASA tend to know apollo, mars rover, space shuttle, ISS. The average worker at NASA probably couldn't tell you whether you had a photo of a Mercury capsule or a Gemini capsule, let alone tell the difference between SLS and Ares V and the two or three other legacy shuttle-derived heavy lift designs. Their heads are full of water and they worship a government agency.

>>14575210
As opposed to SLS which has been making laps between the VAB and the pad for the past few months, trying to fix problems so that they're confident enough to try to wet dress rehearsal the thing prior to a static fire?

>>14575241
plywood
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DoT7pTCUL-0

>>14575228
>sharp nose
NGMI

>>14574514
>>14574590
This isn't even my final form.

>>14575259
AND IT WILL COME
LIKE A FLOOD OF PAIN
POURING DOWN ON ME

>>14575141
so 2025

>>14575246
I remember personally embarrassing myself when I met an Ames retiree on a train to Sacramento once and he asked me what I thought about the X-15 (which he'd worked on), which I replied I'd never heard of. I still laugh at that memory when I'm done cringing about it.

>>14575245
>tankers in VLEO line up for docking
>they bonk due to faulty thruster
>one tanker ruptures and spews methane and oxygen snow everywhere
>big hubbub on the ground as the two Starships continue to orbit the Earth with the plume visible on the ground
>environmentalists and astroonomers literally shaking
>everything deorbits in a few days with nothing of value lost
>billionaire-bad drum beaters subsequently produce ten thousand hours of low quality ranting on youtube calling Elon a retard snakeoil salesman grifter (while secretly holding massive short positions in Tesla, pure coincidence)

>>14575259

This design unironically would have been much cheaper to develop than the SLS, though the individual launch costs would be higher.

>>14575259
The fact that this thing just has two big hydrolox side boosters with extra steps makes me lol.

>>14575131
Thats the idea

>>14575259
why tf does the launcher need to be mobile? It's not launching anywhere except the pad. you can leave all of that shit at the pad. YOU DON'T NEED TO KEEP CARRYING IT BACK AND FORTH

>>14575268
>like ten 9m diameter solids
Imagine the vibrational environment

>>14575268
MOAR BOOSTERS!!!!11

>>14575274
lol well I hope you had a conversation about it anyway

>>14575207
I'm not talking about Earth to Earth and there are already numerous space tug operators on Falcon 9 rideshare launches, plus a few other startups entering the space including Tom Mueller's new company. There was never a large market for expedited delivery of satellites, hell most of the small-launch business was from customers who couldn't afford to pay 50+ million for a launch rather than needing to go to a rarer orbit which is now their core business after SpaceX ate their lunch with Transporter missions.
>>14575238
I don't necessarily disagree but the entire tank gets a better mass fraction as grows larger in diameter. Of course the reason why containerships aren't larger because they're limited by shipping canals, channels, deep water ports.

>>14575241
hamsters, how else would it move???

why do solids create so much vibration compared to liquid motors? can it be mitigated?

>>14575280
>NASA contracting methods bumbled the minimally-different shuttle derived architecture of SLS so badly that every rocket will cost ~$2.5 billion on its own, ~$4.2 billion with Orion
>This much larger and more complicated system with a much different architecture and new engines on several stages would have cost less to develop!
nah I don't think so. I wouldn't trust 2000's NASA contractors to procure me a toaster.

>>14575282

>The fact that this thing just has two big hydrolox side boosters with extra steps makes me lol

Not quite. Those are stock shuttle external tanks. The propellant is fed directly into the core stage.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-xiWn4n8JE

>>14575286
Orion would have been made out of steel and massed at 4 kilotons. None of that pussy Al-Li shit that can't handle a little shaken baby syndrome.

>>14575284
Any rocket with big solid boosters automatically has a huge mass once assembled, so unless they assemble it ON the thing that launches it they can't get it onto the launch pad at all. Just another negative aspect of solids, while SLS needs its mobile launcher thing Starship is getting scooted around on modular transporters and stacked with a normal crane (or launch tower arms depending on the day of the week).

>>14575295

Nigga they would just slap 2 stock shuttle external tanks and 4 stock shuttle SRB's onto a stock Saturn V second stage.

>>14575294
When your combustion chamber is 120 feet tall you try stabilizing the flow

>>14575138
If there is a god and he's not a cruel asshole, this year.

>>14575007
NASA's plan is boots on Mars in the 2039 conjunction.

>>14575303
>solid rocket motors and their consequences have been disastrous for the space launch industry

Those old McDonnell Douglas proposals to just build the SHLV at the pad are looking more reasonable by the day

>>14575319
*opposition

>>14575291
>I don't necessarily disagree but the entire tank gets a better mass fraction as grows larger in diameter.
Not quite accurate, because hoop stresses rise with diameter and the gains all wash out overall. However, by taking advantage of the fact that your tanks are fucking huge and you are now working with three inch thick aluminum or whatever, you can much more easily control mass growth in manufacturing (such as being only 0.01% over the required fill material mass to weld the tanks together, rather than being more like 1% over on a small rocket). Basically tank wall thicknesses are proportional across all scales at whatever internal pressure, but you can use engineering tricks to reduce mass more easily when you're not working with materials thin enough to put your fist through on accident.
Rockets in zero G are a bit different as they don't need to deal with a lot of forces that launchers do, so you can make them much more delicate and get better mass fractions. There's still a practical limit on mass fraction though, like good luck making a rocket that's 99.999% propellant by mass no matter how big it is.
>Of course the reason why containerships aren't larger because they're limited by shipping canals, channels, deep water ports.
Yes but rockets will be limited in terms of what they can dock to as well, depending on many many factors. These aren't fundamental problems: if we dredged deeper channels and built larger canals, we would have larger ships too. It just gets cost ineffective.

>>14575294
Variations in propellant mixture ratio on a small scale, asymmetric burning of propellant grain, chunks of grain being sheared off and atomized burning much more rapidly than designed creating brief asymmetric spikes in chamber pressure, many other reasons. Basically they're much more wild and less controlled than a liquid rocket engine.

>>14575298
>Not quite. Those are stock shuttle external tanks. The propellant is fed directly into the core stage.
That's what I mean. Rather than building actual side boosters to attach to the core stage, they designed the booster engines to mount to a skirt section that covers up the upper stage engines, then have the propellants pipe in from side mounted tanks, rather than building a monolithic in-line first stage. Then, because it's thrust optimized for hydrolox sustainer autism, they need the four solids to achieve liftoff. Silly design.

>>14575305
Yes and this was the exact logic behind SLS and Jupiter before it. They'll "just" play legos with rockets, and when the lateral and vertical and bending and torsional and vibrational loads are all exceeding the original component designs and the entire thing needs to be redrawn from scratch with all updated modern tooling and facilities, they'll declare it a whoopsie and remind us that space is hard and by the way we need another $35 billion.

>>14575319
>>14575323
I hate opposition class mars missions! I hate opposition class mars missions!

F-1B boosters would not have suffered from excessive vibration issues.

>>14575271
he'll be reelected after he cleans up this mess Trump left him

>>14575360
nice gas prices lmao

>>14575353
as we all know from apollo 6 f1-sized kerolox engines have never had excessive vibration problems

>>14575362
thank trump

>>14575353
True, and neither would Merlin 1D based boosters (18 engines per booster). An M1D booster would have an engine component total price of less than $18 million, only a bit more than the expected price of a single F-1B.

>>14575363
Pogo oscillations are solved with valve control systems that follow pressure spikes (ie they control based on flow rate instead of just valve position).

>>14575367
Only thing is SpaceX never offered a Merlin based booster whereas the F-1B booster was a real option for SLS, only losing because Congress and wanting to keep the SRM industry healthy.

How reflective will starship be from orbit? Would it be as bright as the ISS?

Speaking of F-1s, how's the derivative doing?

I haven't heard much since the hot fire tests

https://spacenews.com/retired-four-star-general-john-hyten-joins-blue-origin-as-strategic-advisor/

BO building more military/political capital to win future contracts

>>14575366
lol

>>14575371
The S is for Shitty.

>>14575379
Development limbo after Northrop won their BOLE booster contract.

>>14575367
If you're going that route it'd probably be simpler and cheaper to just use four stock falcon heavy boosters. You could even put together a six booster version without making things too complicated.

UR-700…home

if I jizz off in zero g, what specific impulse would my penis have ?

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/WbjbItHvDUo

>>14575406
we already talked about this

>>14575413

>>14575068
Launch at an angle instead of just straight up. Pretty sure even if their launch system doesn't work, they still understand what is an orbit better than BO and their carnival ride.

>>14575396
conceptualize the aroma

>>14575394
How about Zenits?

>>14575413
wut about a squirting gril?

>>14575396
The RD-270....
VGH....
Imagine if Koroshit didn't steal all the funding from Glushko

>>14575375
Probably depends on which way the thermal tiles face. Going to make a wild guess they'll face away from the Earth to give some thermal protection from the Sun so the shiny side will face Earth. Depending on the angle, that could reflect enough to make it visible.

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1536973965394157569

https://arstechnica.com/science/2022/06/nasa-says-its-ready-for-a-fourth-attempt-to-fuel-the-massive-sls-rocket/

SLS is getting gassed up next week (again).

>>14575451
I saw this episode before

>>14575449
Goddamnit

>>14575449
>Was record inflation and $6 gas worth no mean tweets?

>>14575449
>voting
I thought elon was smart?

>>14575449
HOLY SHIT
https://twitter.com/PPathole/status/1536978127490260992
>Elon, is this the first time that has happened with you where you're receiving massive amounts of hate by the top Democrat leaders (Biden, Sanders, AOC, Warren, etc)? Cause when Obama was running the office he used to support the work Tesla & SpaceX were doing
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1536979963169079296
>yes
SCHIZOS CONFIRMED FOR KNOWING THE TRUTH

>>14575469
Not gonna be political but it’s crazy how Biden has lower ratings than Trump

>>14575469
Its close to $8 in California

>>14575472
Funny what happens when you are such a senile fuckup that even the media cannot wipe your ass for you.

>>14575470
Smart thing isn't be a Biden's bitch for another 4 years. Smart thing to do is to push for EV/Mars under Republican presidentship and get a conservative support for EV(slow but steady adoption).

>>14575471
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1515818559565438980
holy fuck elon you can't just say that about biden

>>14575434
You could, but the Zenit hasn't really been a thing since Sea Launch died. The fact that its a Russian engine on a Ukrainian body would be pretty awkward too.

>>14575434
Ukraine's space industry is deader than Russia's now.

EARTHER (derogatory)

>>14575475
Rmember, NHTSA just released a misleading "autopilot" accidents report where they say Tesla's autopilot has the most driver assist accidents. Without normalizing for miles driven nor normalizing for accurate reports from car makers' self-report. Its just a purely political hitpiece against Musk.

>>14575476
elon cancelled?

>>14575276
>plume visible on the ground
>NPCs wailing about "oh no think of all the birds they're killing!"

>>14575426
>they still understand what is an orbit
Who? The payloads?

>>14575471
TOTAL SCHIZO VICTORY
WE CANNOT STOP WINNING
SEETHE AND COPE NEUROTYPICALS

I've been saying this for years, SpaceX/Tesla has no support from Democrat politicians as none have come out to support Tesla/SpaceX. The only support Musk got was a bit of blip from Obama because Obama wanted to cancel the costly Space Shuttle, so SpaceX was found. He then loaned Tesla $470 million dollars.

Not even California supports Tesla as they've been doing everything they can to kill Tesla.

>>14575502
Of course it doesn't get support, they actually make something.

If SpaceX had a banking arm or sold copyright licenses to their rockets (that come with a free rocket!) the blue team would care.

>>14575502
>burns every single bridge possible so that your old supporters now hate you and your old enemies are not invested enough on your hijincks to spend money on it
Felon Huskrat a fucking idiot.

>>14575512
There's no old supporters in democratic leadership

>>14575502
>He then loaned Tesla $470 million dollars.
13 years ago.

I think Elon knew that eventually, the democrats would turn on him. Bezos is a huge liberal and he still gets shit.

>>14575525
Success leads to envy and animosity. Its crab mentality. Democrats dont support success stories. They support "underdogs" in appearance only.

>>14575532
Democrats could have a flywheel effect with Tesla/SpaceX whereby driving American innovation/EVs on road/cheap Space travel saving hundreds of billions/etc, but they choose not to even acknowledge that let alone help with that. They're instead trying to stop Tesla/SpaceX at every point. Its just a pathetic political play.

>>14575449
>graduated from college in 2019
>already in congress
????????

>>14575502
Democrats are butthurt because Musk's companies aren't unionized and they want those union campaign donations.

>>14575502
Because Tesla isn't a UAW shop. The fact that Tesla workers are better paid and compensated than their union counterparts proves that UAW is just a pack of useless parasites leaching off a captive workforce. The Dems can't have that since a lot of the money that UAW redistributes out of their members' paychecks ends up in their reelection funds.

>>14575515
But he has pissed off the entire IFLS! crowd and the cape shit lovers (lots of overlap between the two).

>>14575469
Yes, now the adults are in charge.

>>14575538
>>14575541
Fundamentally its a stupid calculation Democrats made. They seem to forgot how Tesla even started in California. When GM/Toyota's union failed to keep their job in California.

Musk will pull out of Californias factory if he deems it too costly to operate and just build a second plant somewhere else like Florida or something.

>>14575546
The various Tesla Gigafactories around the world will make the California factory an obsolete relic anyway.

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1536977611313844224

>>14575537
What have YOU been doing with your life, sweety?

>>14575537
Lots of people go to college later in life.

>>14575552
centristchads.. our time to shine.. husk is on with us too

>>14575536
>driving American innovation
That's not their objective. If you think it is, then you have been deceived.

>>14575371
>Only thing is SpaceX never offered a Merlin based booster
This is just fantasy hardware procurement
>>14575394
>If you're going that route it'd probably be simpler and cheaper to just use four stock falcon heavy boosters
Certainly. See https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2200YGSeKM

>>14575406
Exhaust velocity around 1m/s, Isp around 0.1s.

>>14575435
nick mullen and his nuclear IED

>>14575552
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1508106048133300225

Not gonna lie I’m confused now bro’s. I’m a democrat because I hate how republicans are obsessed with Christianity (I’m an atheist) and how republicans have a gun fetish (especially after the Texas shooting). However, my party is fucking standing in the way of my dream of going to space, maybe even mars one day. I don’t know what to do.
Also I disagree with Elon’s politics but I still love the man. I wish more people in my party are willing to do that but sadly, I know they won’t.

>>14575471
sometimes I hate being correct

>>14575580
>hates guns
why do you hate freedom?

>>14575476
On the contrary we need more people saying things like this, blunt and right on target.

>>14575490
This but completely unironically. If there's one thing I've learned it's that it's impossible to underestimate the critical thinking skills of normies.

>>14575580
>caring about other people's religion
>caring about other people having guns and not using them for crime
>not caring about how the dems literally let city-burning rabble run around free

>>14575502
Schizbro, please forgive me for doubting you . . .

>>14575580
>republicans are obsessed with Christianity
Tell me you've never interacted with any Republicans ever without telling me you've never interacted with any Republicans ever

>>14575543
Setting up the conditions such that those people self-filter themselves out of anything Elon touches (extends to Mars colony) is a >9000 IQ move. It's not discriminatory hiring if they all are loudly screaming about how they would never want to work there.

>>14575546
>>14575549
The faster leftist policies cause california to degrade itself to the point of total anarchic mad-max style collapse, the better and funnier.

>>14575449
BRANDON BTFO

I don’t like commies.

The schizos were right again…

>>14575580
>caring about religion
They are never going to "come get you", you know.
>caring about gun violence
You should care about american shootings as much as you care about machete lynchings in the Congo, which is to say, any time they are brought up to you you should think "that sucks" and then get back to thinking about rockets.
Overall you need to stop thinking of the collective humanity as something you need to appoint a government body to keep steward over, like a classroom of kindergarteners or something. Instead view the entire world as you would view a 21 year old doing 50 mph over the speed limit while popping wheelies on his motorcycle around blind corners. Think of them as self destructive retards who deserve what they get for the choices they make.

>>14575580
*tips fedora*

bros...

>>14574331
Beautiful

>>14575584
>>14575592
>>14575595
>>14575616
I unironically started “supporting current thing (tm)” because it pissed off my parents and eventually I just became a democrat. It was during the trump era.
I can’t “support current thing (tm)” when it interferes with my fucking life’s goal of spaceflight.
Also my girlfriend is a conservative Muslim who hates democrats (and republicans) and idk the shit she says would get her canceled in a heartbeat.
I love Elon more than any politician that’s for sure.

>>14575580
Democrats are pushing a state religion, they're just not calling it one.

>>14575624
happpened in new zealand. the leftists there made the maori religion supercede science. you can lose your job if you try and challenge it.

>>14575621
You are in desperate need of corrective beatings.

>>14575615
The schizos said the FAA would keep delaying until the orange rocket launched and it didn't

>>14575621
>Show me a young conservative and you'll find a man with no heart.
>Show me an old liberal and you'll find a man with no brain.

>>14575632
FAA is our friend. We were wrong about them.

reminder to keep political discussions (shit flinging) on the appropriate board instead of polluting this thread

>>14575621
You should ignore all current things as swiftly and completely as possible. They are simple distractions from your own life's happiness.

>>14575621
>Also my girlfriend is a conservative Muslim
Based. Breed her deep anon

>>14575624
Every one of these "I believe the science, never question authority" makes me nostalgic for the days of public crucifixions.

>>14575621
>it pissed off my parents and eventually I just became a democrat
I think that's the path for a lot of people who weren't outright born into the cult. The culture of entitlement and arrested development on the left really goes out of its way to encourage the teenage tempter tantrum as the preferred means of personal expression.

>>14575632
SpaceX is still delayed by them though. I don't have to hold back a runner until their competition crosses the finish line, I only have to hold them back long enough that I'm sure they can't catch up. Then afterwards I can wash my hands simply by pointing out that they had their chance to run.

What is Astra’s problem? Their rocket HAS worked in the past, but why can’t it work reliably? Sucks too because it’s a beautiful machine.

>>14575641
Moving goalposts

>>14575640
Personal freedoms for teenagers + young adults and their consequences have been a disaster for the human race.

>>14575645
Moving them closer to the SLS runner, yes.

>>14575641
Moving goalposts. You would take anything as evidence to fit your preconceptions. If democrats had that kind of sway over the FAA and that desire we’d be looking at an EIS. Also the 5g disaster wouldn’t have happened earlier this year

>>14575618
Talking about RD-170s as he violently pounds you..

>>14575632
>>14575635
The schizos only mistake was ascribing any conscious intent behind the regulator's actions. The system itself is designed to be obstructionist whether or not the people involved hold any actual malice. All that matters is that the status quo is maintained and any disruptive outsider is impeded until they get assimilated into the preexisting culture.

>>14575636
If you want talk that's more consistently space then more space shit needs to happen. We get off topic when there's nothing going on.

>>14575648
>>14575641
The most retarded thing about all of this is that literally no one except a minority of people on the internet who care about spaceflight care AT ALL about whether SLS or Starship launches first. They won’t even be competitors for years if at all. Congress certainly doesn’t fucking care and I doubt any oldspace contractors care, because it doesn’t make any fucking difference to them who launches first. It will not even slightly affect whether their gravy trains keep rolling. An EIS might have, however.

>>14574807
The issue is that it needs at least 7.8 km/s to reach orbital velocity without accounting for gravity losses and air resistance during launch, SpinLaunch instead gives 2.2 km/s so they need a rocket to do the rest of the work, only that rocket will have a terrible mass fraction because it has to withstand extreme g-force from hitting the atmosphere after the vacuum is broken. SpinLaunch is worse than air-launch-to-orbit which also isn't good but at least that works with fairly standard payloads. Basically they're pseudo first stages that don't scale well.
>>14575426
I think it will still arc back unless it escapes Earth's sphere of influence. It's like performing a maneuver at periapsis, you're not increasing the altitude you are currently at even if burning radial out. Maybe if they turn it into a spaceplane so it generates lift.

Someone post the
>there is no conspiracy
meme.

>>14575662
I know it sounds like cope but there’s a quote about how “it doesn’t matter which launches first, but which launches a second time first.”

>>14575661
>The schizos only mistake was ascribing any conscious intent behind the regulator's actions
No, its more that there's multiple people working within same woke ideology

>>14575669
Agreed.

>>14575621
>my girlfriend is a conservative Muslim who hates democrats (and republicans) and idk the shit she says would get her canceled in a heartbeat
Join the winning team brother

>>14575669
Isn't there like a 2 year gap between Artemis-1 and Artemis-2? Will SLS fly anything else? No Europa Clipper, no Gateway components, what else is SLS for now?

>>14575621
>I can’t “support current thing (tm)” when it interferes with my fucking life’s goal of spaceflight.
>guns
>interfere with spaceflight
god you redditniggers are so fucking stupid

>>14575644
I'd tell you what their problem is but another anon told me to stop posting about politics

Starbase is alive and /sfg/ is dead.

>>14575682
Based
Their problem is virtue signaling and pandering to identity politics&nigger loving

>>14575138
it's dead already

>>14575684
>>14575686

>>14575677
There won't be any rockets between Artemis-1 and Artemis-2, so no.

>>14575621
>Also my girlfriend is a conservative Muslim

>>14574258
a mistake

>>14575684
I’d argue /sfg/ is doing great. FAA approval yesterday, Elon being based today, Astra mucking about two days ago, etc.

>>14575644
Where is astranon?

At this point Elon is just aligning himself to the party that will basically leave Tesla and SpaceX alone to do what they do. It's really more than Elon feeling like his feels have been hurt.

Biden has openly come out as being devisively pro union. He has publicly endorsed the GM EV Hummer and Ford F-150 lightning: https://youtu.be/XrDGeAkWkAs | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FpwuhTTQl9A and he's gone out of his way to refuse to acknowledge Tesla and SpaceX.

At that point it becomes less about Elon and more about all the people who work at Tesla and SpaceX. Effective 2021, SpaceX https://craft.co/spacex | employed 9,605 employees--which Biden has refused to acknowledge even though Boeing shit the bed and SpaceX has been single source delivering crew and cargo to the ISS. Even Cygnus' fate is in trouble because of the Russia/Ukraine war. Additionally, for Tesla end of 2021, employed: 99,290 people in the US.

So in total, Biden's refusal to say anything about either company is basically where a president is outright ignoring the achievements of 108,985 Americans. That's a pretty BIG snub. But even discounting that and the EV subsidies and the tax credit matters, its really Biden going around driving the GM EV and Ford EV products but refusing to do the same with Tesla that's the most uncomfortable part of the entire deal.

Its FINE to be pro-union and to even do subsidies and what not around the idea of it, you may disagree with the concept, but labor and manufacturing is important to any nation. What becomes unethical is when you endorse a company's product as a president of the united states. At that point, you are basically taking the power vested in you by the country and putting your thumb on the scale and pushing down on one side which has for the better part of the last decade chosen to not invest, adapt, and evolve with the times.

THAT is wrong. So as a basis of that, if Elon chose to flip right, I can't blame him.

>>14574181

>>14575704
It’s also a personal thing. Biden has said shitty stuff about SpaceX. Elon has every right to be mad.

roggs

>>14575632
FAA won't grant Starship a license until after SLS flies. How stupid are you?

>>14575704
Any person will dislike being targeted by a party over opinions and beliefs. Its politics and the tale is as old as fucking time. The issue really becomes when the behaviors in question exceed simply tweets and statements and start interfering with market behaviors. The leaning extra hard on the scale is hard makes it really easy to then posit the argument that Trump did the same shit and he was crucified for it, he also did far worse things later including Jan6, but for the period of his presidency he did lean on scales and if Biden did the same then he should be rightly criticized. To then turn around and claim that you can't, will undoubtedly divide the fucking country.

>>14575711
I honestly think that Elon for all his faults would be able to shrug that off and move on. If I was in his position, I would be unhappy with the fact, but in 50 years, nobody will remember Biden. But they'll remember Elon for the rest of time as long as we don't go extinct. His legacy is already cemented. So in that position, I would shrug it off and move on. But I would be livid if all the accomplishments created by my big team of engineers through my company were spat on by a POTUS unfairly advantaging a "competitor" who for all intents and purposes was destined for bankruptcy so that they survive instead. That's really where the real rub is in my honest opinion on the matter. And this is equally replicated by the fact that Bezos, the guy who has a legit hate relationship with Elon, has started tweeting essentially in indirect defense OF Elon, Tesla/SpaceX with the behavior the democratic party and Biden are choosing to engage in.

If your "arch nemesis" is coming to your defense, then whoever is being criticized has TRULY crossed the line.

>>14575719
since becoming the richest man in the world elon has gotten really petty

>>14575720
Twitter makes everyone a gay petty fag.
I wish trump had banned TikTok and Twitter. He was a loser for walking back his TikTok ban

Nerds here white knighting Elon when real nerds know he is just the reincarnation of Howard Hughes and thus history will repeat itself.

>>14575720
He does have an axe to grind with parts of the government. The whole SEC debacle is a grudge match and much of the pettiness likely results from that. I don't really have an opinion on the whole 420 funding secured material and he does have a tendency to sometimes jump the gun. But its also true that Tesla is looked at in a lens of history, arguably the most shorted stock in market history (more than likely). To the point where the activity was malicious and destructive, and the SEC to date has done nothing to address that.

That said, I'd also argue that much of his "negative" statements in recent times have also resulted from the governing hostility he's facing. Trump did invite Elon to the industry leader panel. Elon ultimately left the panel and has gone on record in thinking that Trump was an idiot. Its a well known fact that Trump did not like Elon and neither did Elon like Trump. Despite that, Trump publicly as president stated more than once on the value of Tesla and SpaceX and the good that it did for the nation. So there's that dichotomy there as well. You have a person whom you think worse of, acknowledge that despite your differences and disagreements, the overall good that you do is of value vs a person who thinks worse of you, will not acknowledge you or your accomplishments nor the accomplishments of the citizenry that you employ WHO ARE HIS CONSTITUENTS AS THE LEADER OF THE NATION, and is now acting in hostile interests against their ability to continue succeeding in the future.

In any case, the pettiness to some degree is warranted. Everyone has a tolerance threshold, after which they will clap back no matter how infantile it may seem. Like the time where Ron Wyden proposed legislation to tax unrealized capital gains, and Warren, Biden, and co piled onto it. Ironically, Manchin, who's quite reviled (and I think he's an asshat too), was the one who I think ended up along with many Republicans killing that idea. But I guess you get the .

>>14575732
People who radically alter the timeline of human progress more often than not tend to be massive assholes. Elon being a successor to Hughes is no different in that regard.

>>14575704
nice essay, but Musk just got into identity politics and culture wars like every other twittertard (and pretty much everyone these days)

>>14575742
Me just waiting for Musk to flop and SpaceX to be divided up among the Primes like what happened with Hughes Aircraft Company

>>14575745
?

>>14575732
The Spruce Goose is pretty amazing, even if useless.

>>14575754
Starship has a lot of parallels to Spruce Goose...

What is Thunderf00t’s problem with SpaceX?

>>14575744
He's just getting ahead of the curve. The US tends to reinvent itself as a nation every 30-50 years. 2016-2024 is that period where the country's about to reinvent itself into a different standard. THAT SAID, the Democratic party has really and massively fucked up in the last decade. Hillary lost literally lost to arguably the worst candidate in US history, and the party pushed her so hard, some 40 million people decided "fuck this, I'm not voting." Biden's victory itself isn't because he was a good candidate either, but that people were just that pissed at Trump for fucking up over the entire 4 year period that they voted for Biden as a check on Trump rather than anything else. The list just goes on.

Also, its autistic as fuck to claim identity politics vs regular politics as not being identity politics. It's all fucking identity politics. Politics is a game of ego and with an occasional serving of compromise. Its more zero sum power plays than fucking anything else. So your point here is meritless.

>>14575745
The DoD has a raging boner for Falcon 9/Heavy, Starlink (courtesy of Russia war hardening the system through the Ukraine conflict, and making China burn the midnight oil in trepidation), and Starlink. It's all but guaranteed that SpaceX wouldn't get carved up. It's killing the golden goose to get to the so called gold eggs, when the magic is the goose and not the eggs.

>>14575771
And Starship*, fuck.

>>14575771
>he DoD has a raging boner for Falcon 9/Heavy, Starlink (courtesy of Russia war hardening the system through the Ukraine conflict,
this is all in your head
the DoD didn't even select starlink for its constellation
the DoD didn't give a fuck about starship

>>14575768
Elon Musk is successful therefore he's SpaceX fake

>>14575036
>Ten thousand gees of centripetal force
Will give you such a crick in the neck!

>>14575677
>Isn't there like a 2 year gap between Artemis-1 and Artemis-2?
There's a 2 year gap *planned*.

>>14575732
>>14575742
Nude pilot Elon arc when?

>>14575771
>biden
>win
no

>>14575779
reminder that every has slid to the right a year already
the mobile launcher 2 has basically zero chance of being ready in 2028 either

>>14575771
>pissed at Trump for fucking up over the entire 4 year period
Yes, mean tweets were a terrible cross to bear. Good thing we got rid of him and got massive inflation and ruinous gas prices instead. It's worth it to never see a mean tweet from Trump again. The world was laughing at us, now they're united with us in our fortitude against inflation.

>>14575771
>people were just that pissed at Trump for fucking up over the entire 4 year period
People were so pissed at 4 years of the greatest economy they'd ever experienced that Biden won a larger percentage of the black vote in Philadelphia than Obama did in 2008? Really?

>>14575789
I'll laugh so hard if/when Artemis 3 gets so delayed that SpaceX just finishes the HLS and runs it down to the lunar surface on their own.

>>14575781

>>14575774

1. https://taskandpurpose.com/analysis/military-elon-musk-spacex/
2. https://www.usafa.edu/elon-musk-urges-cadet-researchers-at-u-s-air-force-academy-to-keep-innovating-make-rocket-launches-boring/
3. https://www.af.mil/News/Article-Display/Article/2983523/hill-afbs-388th-oss-exploring-agile-communications-options-for-f-35a/
4. https://www.cnbc.com/2021/03/12/spacex-prepares-for-air-force-test-of-starlink-satellite-internet.html
5. https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-space-exploration-spacex-satellites-idUKKBN26Q3A5
6. https://www.tesmanian.com/blogs/tesmanian-blog/dod
>The United States Department of Defense (DoD) is impressed by the SpaceX Starlink team’s ability to beat Russia signal-jamming in Ukraine and aims to have that ability. "[...] In kind of the way Starlink was able to upgrade when a threat showed up, we need to be able to have that agility," said Dave Tremper, director of electronic warfare for the Pentagon’s acquisition office. "There’s a really interesting case study to look at the agility that Starlink had in their ability to address that problem," he added. "And inevitably, what was the impact if they couldn’t address the problem?"
>“From an EW [Electronic Warfare] technologist perspective, that is fantastic. That paradigm and how they did that is kind of eye-watering to me,” said Temper, “The way that Starlink was able to upgrade when a threat showed up, we need to be able to have that ability. We have to be able to change our electromagnetic posture, to be able to change very dynamically what we’re trying to do without losing capability along the way,” he said on April 20th during the C4ISRNET military conference.

"this is all in your head"

>>14575796
i think people are hugely underestimating the demand for lunar tourism
the second hls is ready they will have people begging for seats

>>14575771
> the DoD won't do anything self destructive because of ideology silly schizos!
lmao

>>14575768
He’s a skeptic he just follows what gets clicked. Used to be a fedora tipper then an anti feminist and so in.
People like to feel smarter than others so there’s big money in Deboonking

>>14575799
If starlink isn’t servicing programs like JADC2 then the DoD is more interested in other entities. They already have selected other companies to fulfill their on orbit compute requirements

>>14575794
Every president inherits good or bad decisions made by the past president and its effects on the economy. This tale is as old as time. The only thing that can be levied against Biden is the trillion dollar economy package that was created in the interest of the people, fought for none by the party, and then retooled so that it became another bailout to the companies which didn't need the money. Which exacerbated an already inflated situation even further. But don't you worry your sweet heart, with the way things are going, Trump or DeSantis or someone else like them will surely take the White House.
>>14575795
Everyone can cherry pick faggot. But that's ultimately irrelevant because Biden won in 2020 and we're going to ride this train with him whether we like his policy decisions or not until 2024. 2020 was a referendum on Trump though, make no mistake of that. It also had nothing to do with the economy. Shame you think its related.
>>14575809
DoD isn't a hive mind you faggot. DoD can be self destructive and simultaneously progressive in aerospace/space defense interests. Progressive the word here as progressing forward in technology, and not political ideology since its becoming exceedingly clear I need to spell this shit out.
>>14575821
Homie, the entire network hasn't even been fully deployed yet. Its still in fucking beta. It would be absolutely insane for any world military to put their infrastructure on a beta network. What the fuck are you on.

Here's the source selection statement for the commercial space suits. SpaceX did not bid. In fact, no one fucking bid except Axiom and Collins lmao
>Axiom team: KBR, David Clark Company, Air-Lock, Arrow Science and Technology, A-P-T Research, Inc., Paragon Space Development Corporation, and Sophic Synergistics
>Collins team: ILC Dover; Oceaneering Space Systems; Blue Origin, LLC; MRI Technologies; Bastion Technologies; M&B Engineering; and Honeybee Robotics
I guess we know for sure now which of the two will deliver last (or never). Axiom also bid a good amount lower than Collins

>>14575834
>SpaceX didn’t bid
The fuck?

>>14575834
>spacex did not bid
wait wtf
i swear i heard that they had??

>>14575825
You dweeb. JADC2 has already awarded most of their constellation contract vehicle to various companies(many without an established prototype constellation). SpaceX wasn’t selected.

>>14575837
No, SpaceX was among many companies that were interested or submitted feedback when NASA reached out to industry on the program. Many other companies were involved with that, but that doesn't necessarily mean they submitted a bid

>>14575834
>>14575836
>>14575837
Likely a political decision. Maybe Biden admin told they wouldn't be chosen in the first place.

>>14575834
>only two bids
What the fuck? How fucked was this contract

>>14575844
kek

>>14575844
I know you're joking, but this could legitimately be true

>>14575845
News flash /sfg/ doesn’t know how IDIQs work

>>14575837
>>14575836
>>14575834
It honestly makes sense. They have their handful with Starship, and Crew Dragon's flight suit with an umbilical upgrade will do a good enough job for a space walk likely. It doesn't make sense to divert engineers and funding to build a space suit if there's no guarantee of having a space ready Starship for another say 2-ish years.
>>14575842
I guess we'll see in 5 years what changes then. Also, link number 5: >>14575799, notes that SpaceX was awarded a contract for building a constellation of military missile defense detection satellites:
>Elon Musk’s SpaceX won a $149 million (£114.8 million) contract to build missile-tracking satellites for the Pentagon, the U.S. Space Development Agency (SDA) said on Monday, in the company’s first government contract to build satellites.
>Under the SDA contract, SpaceX will use its Starlink assembly plant in Redmond, Washington, to build four satellites fitted with a wide-angle infrared missile-tracking sensor supplied by a subcontractor, an SDA official said.

>>14575834
>Blue Origin, LLC
Where are the gloves, Jeff?!

>>14575852
Sure don’t
QRD?

>>14575855
Imagine a money printer floating in space

>>14575844
Thats how the background deals were made. Its possible NASA's deal involve Commercial suits being used involve SpaceX suits for going on Starship.

>Crew gets in Orion on Orion suits
>Crew transfers to Starship in Starship suits
>Crew walks on Moon in Commercial Suits
3 different suits atleast from Earth->Moon

>>14575855
Most large DoD contracts now require companies to pre-qualify by being selected for an IDIQ. If they were not in the IDIQ at the time the vehicle manifested a proposal request, then they can’t bid on it. SpaceX rarely wins selection to these contract vehicles.

>>14575862
Ironically, the Moonship with its dual redundant airlocks would allow you to have one airlock dedicated for Starship/Orion suits interface and access, and the other airlock would be for commercial moon suits. Plus transferring assets between airlocks will likely be reasonably simple too--so I could totally see this happening. That said, its still kind of dumb in overengineering a problem. But competition, fairness, this and that.

https://twitter.com/SciGuySpace/status/1537186400826793985

Firefly CEO gonna get gon'd tomorrow.

>>14575880
>failed company loses failure CEO
I only feel bad for the Ukrainian engineers who got a chance to work in aerospace like their predecessors.

>>14575880
why??

>>14575880
Literally as soon as the jews invested in the company, they get rid of all spaceplane plans. Let that sink in

>>14575669
Ancient chinese proverb

>>14575677
Artemis atbest will launch 1.5 every year. Starship will launch 5 times by end of this year. LMAO

>>14575898
Beating SLS is not a good or impressive metric

>>14575903
Starship will beat every other new rocket launchers this year.

>>14575893
SHRIMP device detonated in tel aviv when?

>>14575909
Never. If the Arabs ever do manage to push the Jews into the sea the only people they'd have left to fight are each other. Israel gives purpose to the Arab world in the same way as gamergate does to the people who still complain about it on twitter.

>>14575677
>no Gateway components
Actually Artemis IV is delivering gateway components (by force, it could easily be launched on Vulcan or FH or Starship) and Artemis IV won't even land on the Moon because of this :)

>>14575917
Israel needs to be destroyed together with jewry, jews are unironically the Great Filter

>>14575919
dearMoon II is going to beat NASA to the Lunar surface at this rate

>>14575920
Cool it with the antisemitic remarks

>>14575924
No? I will personally push every jew out of the airlock that will try and infiltrate mars

>>14575923
the pure delusion of you space-x stans truly knows no bounds

Terran 1 WILL reach orbit before Starship, and WILL become the 1st methalox rocket to reach orbit in history

>>14575923
the least optimistic muskrat

>>14575941
When is it supposed to launch again?

>>14575944
Before Starship

>>14575941
The only Terran 1 worth respecting is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAS8KivZX5s

>2022 is the year of the falcon heavy
None of them are going to fly are they

>>14575951
Why would they? SpaceX basically forgot how to fly them

>>14575950
Based but Starcraft is for weird nerds

>>14575956

>>14575322
a lot of rockets got stacked on the pad in the early days, if you're only launching once or twice a year it's a perfectly economical way to do things

>>14575930
It's not a delusion. It's the fact that every time I hear an update about Artemis I have to adjust my already low standards even further downwards. Too much more of this and you could start making a marginally rational case for 4ASS beating NASA to the moon.

>>14575969
don't reply to it you newfaggot

>>14575951
Good chance atleast one will be delayed due to covid

>>14575502
even the tesla loan was from a program which was designed to hand cash to delaware-based fisker automotive as a favor to biden. fisker then went bankrupt, and moved out of the US.

>>14575966
And what do you know! SLS is only launching once every 18 months.

https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/firefly-aerospace-ceo-tom-markusic-transitions-to-full-time-board-member-will-continue-to-serve-as-chief-technical-advisor-to-firefly-301569039.html
holy shit he's fucking gone

>>14575989
their new CEO? jeff bezos

>>14575989
rip firefly. shame, they were the only small launcher startup i unironically like.

>>14575992
So he'll spend Tuesday and Wednesday afternoons at BO, while being at Firefly on Fridays I suppose?

>>14575887
Another reason the nuke the shit out of the commieniggers in russia

>>14575580
> However, my party is fucking standing in the way of my dream of going to space
How are they doing that exactly?
Because Elon sperging out because he doesn’t want to be taxed doesn’t count.

>>14576009
You’re right. We need communism to go to mars

>>14575704
More like Boeing and the automaker having more lobbyists. If you think any given president gives a fuck about space or car flame wars you’re delusional

>>14575789
>he’s still coping 2 years later