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Remaining launches this month:Rocket Lab - Electron: Mahia Peninsula, New Zealand. CAPSTONE to lunar halo orbit, for NASA.SpaceX - Falcon 9: LC-39A, Florida. Starlink 4-19.SpaceX - Falcon 9: SLC-4E, California. SARah 1, synthetic aperture radar for German military.ESA - Ariane 5: French Guiana. Two communications satellites for Malaysia and India.ISRO - SSLV: Sriharikota, India. Small Satellite Launch Vehicle's first orbital test flight.Astra - Rocket 3.3: SLC-46, Florida. TROPICS 3 + 4. NASA CubeSat constellation, flight attempt #2.SpaceX - Falcon 9: LC-39A, Florida. CRS 25 resupply to the ISS, Cargo Dragon.SpaceX - Falcon 9: SLC-40, Florida. SES 22 communications satellite for US television and data service.ULA - Atlas 5: SLC-41, Florida. USSF 12, experimental missile warning satellite for the Space Force.FAA due to complete Boca Chica Starbase licensing today, June 13.
>>14567536We are going
>>14567542thanks anon
Sealed valley colony Chads dunking on tunnel cucks and soi domes
>>14567542and Starship launch on June 14
>>14567555What the hell are those names?
>>14567555>Detroit
>>14567555mars is going to be at war eventually. putting everyone living under a single dome is going to fuck them hard when the enemy bombs it. diversify and harden your infrastructure.
>>14567590By the time Mars is at war that won't be an issue.
Just finished binge-watching For All Mankind, what did I think about it
>>14567555>Shoots wall>Huge lake fucking bubbles and evaporates>Millions killed
>>14567561Progress!
>>14567615>Shoots wall>Air pisses out so slowly that it takes hours for pressure sensors to even noticeStop letting /tv/ rot your brain.>>14567599Stop letting /tv/ rot your brain.
>>14567599>1 episode a weekim out
>>14567542There is supposed to be a South Korean launch between 15th and 23rd of June.KARI - Nuri (KSLV-II): Naro LC-2, Goheung County, South Korea. Flight test of KSLV-II.
>>14567542>FAA due to complete Boca Chica Starbase licensing today, June 13.fingers crossed, no more delays please
Mark my words. FAA and will it to wednesday
FAA will approve starship with haste
>>14567599spinning was a bad trick
when are they getting pipelines directly to boca chica? there are too many trucks needed for this shit.
>>14567729Not so fast, muskrat.https://twitter.com/ESGhound/status/1535680248053899264>Just a reminder that Starship Super Heavy is 20% more powerful today than what is represented as the basis for environmental impact by SpaceX. They've had 9 months to address this discrepancy and yet... have not done so
>>14567729First they need to get a FONSO or a mitigated FONSI. Then later on, they can upgrade it.
>>14567729239 tankers to fill the thing. i can't even imagine them doing 10 a day so that's like a whole month of deliveries.
>>14567733>They've had 9 months to address this discrepancy and yet... have not done soIT OCCURED TO HIM IN A DREAMhe astral projected into the FAA computer to read the final pea
>>14567736i've worked on sites where they get about a dozen trucks a day. even though it felt kind of hectic there, it's definitely too slow for something like this.
>>14567738I'd be careful about Astral projecting. It's only got a 20% success rate.
>>14567736It only takes ~1 hour to load/unload the fuel. With 6+ fueling depots, you can easily have couple dozen per day. Easily. Lets say each depot can take 1 tanker every 2 hours. Delivery drivers only operate 12 hours a day. Thats 6 deliveries x 6 depot. 36 easily. Thats <7 days.
>>14567733Reminder:ESGhound, Eric Roesch, is a Jewish Tesla shorter paid off by oil giants.
What happened yesterday, /Sanctified Shitposting General/?
fellow invertibrates
>>14567747On the payroll of doesn't mean paid off by.
>>14567754He is paid off to bullshit out FONSI reviews for oil giants as an “environmental reviewer” while having no talent for actual engineering. A typical lying juden.
>>14567754Literally what it means.
>>14567754A professional bullshitter is what he is. Especially since he's getting paid to troll one company so another company that's adjacent could potentially fall in stock market.
>>14567756>A typical lying judenYou're using that word grammatically incorrectly cringe pol tourist.
>>14567761Oops, my mistake, redditor.
>>14567761Do not complain if you understood my communique. Language exists to carry connotation, perhaps you nitpick because you failed to point out a flaw in my description of an inherent shyster population. In any case, Musk will win and shills will lose: cope sneed and dial-8.
statische zundung wann
>>14567769At the earliest: 30 hours.
>>14567769bald ist es zeit
MANShit sure is rough...Well, up next FAAggots Yes or no to Elon/Starship
Astra
>>14567794dont care
>>145677942/10 is a really bad statistics
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLLTouNZdog
so two more weeks or mitigated fonsi?
>>145677982/8 if you don't count intentionally ground-bound vehicles, but yeah, it's not looking great.
>>14567810Birds told me it's FONSI.
>>14567794Mmmm roggetsNASA like big rogget, cost plus contracts for everyone!
>>14567761>pol tourist.You are the only tourist here faggot
>>14567854you're seething. another day ruined by the juden
>>14567798What are some other rockets with similar statistics?
>>14567859SLSNo flights, several failures.
>>14567859Starship ironically
>>14567859Falcon 1
>>14567859SS and N1 unironically
>>14567859anything I build in ksp
The only way we are getting to Mars is if we play some video game set on Mars.
>dump eet
redpill me on rocket engine horsepower ratings, is it better than measuring rocket engines in thrust?
>>14567555It might make more sense to run the high speed rail outside the pressure bubble. That way you’d get to operate it in the near vacuum of raw Martian atmosphere- the air drag would be greatly reduced so your train would only need to really fight wheel drag (and with the cold temps of Mars you might be able to run high temp superconductor levitation in just the ambient air, or with a very cheap refrigerant). With a Martian maglev it would be possible to make a very fast train without much electricity draw (accelerate at constant 1g, then at the halfway point decelerate at 1g). The magnetic rails could absorb the energy from the deceleration much like regenerative braking works in cars. I think Mars is like an easy mode hyper loop.
>>14567958What about sandstorms? Aren't they common on Mars?
>>14567952Thrust should be measured in tons. Tons is nice because it’s very close in metric (tonnes) and standard (tons). Also, you can tell how much engines can lift. A 10 ton engine can lift a 10 ton rocket and it will have a 1.0 power/weight ratio. If you use stupid units like Newton’s or horsepower you have to do a ton of unit conversions to make it comprehensible.
>>14567952The only part you can reasonably measure the horsepower in is the turbopumps, and as important as those are, they don't tell you anything about how much thrust the engine has, what its specific impulse is, or what its weight is, and those are the only things that really matter for performance.
>>14567963Storms are mars are pretty weak. The atmosphere is so thin that even a really bad Martian storm with winds >>100 mph, wouldn’t kill you.
>>14567963Nothingburger besides grit getting inside of stuff
>>14567969OH N-
>>14567794D-DELETE THIS!!!
>>14567542>4 spacex launches in two weekshot damn
trying to watch season 3 of for all mankind but wtf>space hotels with spinning gravity in 1992how did they even build something like this in a few years? the show gets more unrealistic with every season.
>>14567542>V8RNA
>>14567794brutal
>>14567794Next stop, penny stock.
>>14567794why do they keep fucking it up, anons?
>>14567986fusion
>>14568008God hates fags
>>14568008Too much cost cutting
>>14567986>space hotels with spinning gravity in 2001
>>14567542>still no F heavy lunches
>>14568087Starship is falcon heavy. Well, a beeg falcon rogget.
environmental assessment completion when
>>14567555At large enough scales, the technology requirements for tented valleys, domes, and tunnel habitats all converge. Tented valleys and domes of sufficient scale require enormous underground engineering work to anchor their canopy layers. Very large tunnel habitats require reinforcement of the ceiling against tension forces (ie, they need canopy layers). A dome of sufficient internal area becomes easier and less resource intensive to build as a flatter, tether-supported structure than a true rim-bonded hemispherical dome. What I'm getting at here is that as Mars continues to grow in population and industrial capacity, they'll be building domes AND tented valleys AND tunnel system habitats, all over the place, all at once. They'll simply use whatever solution makes sense for pioneering that area of land from native Mars conditions to an existing habitat system, and then as time goes on they'll continue to build more robustness and redundancy into their habitats (for example, by building domed cities that could handle being exposed to Mars atmospheric pressures, then coming back later and building a massive tent structure over the entire region and enclosing several of these cities with a habitable volume pressurized 80% as much as the dome habitats but still very comfortable to live inside. Related point to make, domes and tented structures are easier to make if you use the bubble in a bubble approach, where your dome canopy consists of tens of layers of membranes with a smaller pressure differential between each layer. So outside is 6 Pa, the outermost membrane contains 8000 Pa absolute, the layer inside of that contains 16,000 Pa absolute, and after 13 layers the innermost membrane contains a volume that is at 101 kPa (sea level Earth pressure). This makes the canopy much more robust overall because you can make each layer carry just 10% of its engineered tensile strength, so even if several layers are pierced the canopy doesn't catastrophically fail.
>>14567963They're dust storms not sand, and if they're using maglev there's not much contact between the trains and the rails anyway.
>>14567542>FAA due to complete Boca Chica Starbase licensing today, June 13.Oh fuck, that's today.
>>14567986>how did they even build something like this in a few years?I haven't watched the show but with reusable rockets and a competent space engineering industrial focus this would not be difficult to achieve.
>>145680962 hours
>>14568116I have been granted insider info: They say it will take 2 more weeks.
>>145680962 more weeks
>>14567971That's what I was getting at but if it's maglev, >>14568109 might be correct that it wouldn't be a big deal in that situation.
>FAA decision? Astra failure? What are you talking about? We've got a borehole to dig
>>14568128Also trains run on Earth and we have legit dust storms and shit here, yes it erodes the rails slowly but that's a replace-every-century tier problem. In fact even with constant dust storms, the fact that Mars has less gravity (lower wheel pressure) and no oxygen (no rail rusting) means that rail should last significantly longer on Mars than on Earth.
>>14568143MANWITHSHOVEL
>>14567794Early Proton tier
>>14568162>that's a replace-every-century tier problemI was going to say you're wrong but then I remembered that most of the rails on the suburban rail line I ride on a few times each week have manufacturing marks from the 30's and 40's. It's all welded together now and on concrete sleepers but it's still the same 80 year old steel rail.
>>14568162This is interesting actually. Would structures on Mars experience significant wear and tear? Rust and other material degradation doesn't occur because of no oxygen/moisture. Possibly by UV rays? Is wind erosion a significant factor, because >>14567969?
>>14568179Yup, and of course whatever we build on Mars won't be using wooden sleepers. In fact it's possible that Mars rail could use steel sleepers along with the steel rail, simply because concrete mixtures are gonna be much closer to steel anyway in terms of relative difficulty of production on other worlds. Building on Mars if going to be interesting because of the lack of an oxidizing atmosphere, which makes direct use of naked mild steel in all outdoor applications just as long lasting as if it were stainless steel. One issue I can see being a problem is cold welding of the steel rails to steel wheels, as there won't be an oxide layer on either component after some wear has occurred. It may be necessary to use coatings of some kind to avoid this issue.
https://www.reuters.com/technology/spacex-faces-nasa-hurdle-starship-backup-launch-pad-2022-06-13/
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>>14568203
>>14568206
>>14568192UV doesn't really affect anything other than complex organic molecules (ie plastics, many paints), so structures like a steel truss bridge or whatever would be subject to extremely little environmental wear. They would still experience wear through use, but the lack of corrosion will also reduce the impact of use-based wear, too. For example, sometimes old vehicle bridges on Earth have their structural steel beams crack, because corrosion pitting causes stress concentrations that allow the repeated vibrations and loading/unloading cycles on the bridge to exceed the fatigue limit in that point of the structure. On Mars there's no corrosion to cause pitting that leads to stress concentrations, and of course every material has 266% the strength to weight ratio compared to Earth due to the lower gravity, while all vehicles weigh 3/8ths as much for the same mass, reducing the effective stress put on these structures by a factor of about 7 (ie, an Earth rail bridge built on Mars running the same mass of train would have 7x the engineered safety margin compared to that exact construction on Earth).
>>14568192>Is wind erosion a significant factorProbably not on any timescales shorter than thousands of years, which means the need for refurb work due to actually using the structure is going to dominate.
>Starlink onboard the Freedom Of the Sea cruise ship!
>>14568200>>14568203>>14568206>>14568207based filenames
>>14568213
>>14568206>the problem is the explosive potential for (methalox) is not well known??? Bullshit. It's the simplest hydrocarbon plus oxygen.
>>14568214lol, I guess I could make some better default one on greenshot, the default is all kinds of random information I don't want on screenshots
>>14568193If it's not maglev, perhaps rubber tires can be used. It's not an uncommon use case here on Earth though I don't know if rubber will withstand the temperatures on Mars very well. Going to guess this wouldn't be an option for high speed rail.
>>14568213>>14568215 tell me its a joke
>>14568230Steel wheels on steel rails will work, we really don't need to use exotic materials. At the very worst, we would need to use two dissimilar metals which don't mutually stick to one another, ie steel rails and titanium wheels.
>>14567794>past rocket was exact same configuration and it succeeded.Roggetry doesn't make sense to me
>>14568254ses is harrah
>>14568241i don't think mars' atmosphere is cold enough for vacuum welding
while we're waiting on the FAA...what happens if spacex gets the approval?
>>14568238https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_jqf1DzZgE>Royal Caribbean's Freedom of the Seas has been chosen to test out the new mobile Starlink connection at sea! Starlink is finally here!nopehttps://www.pcmag.com/news/spacex-working-to-bring-starlink-to-royal-caribbean-cruise-shipshttps://www.royalcaribbeanblog.com/2022/06/10/royal-caribbean-wants-add-elon-musks-starlink-high-speed-internet-its-cruise-ships
>>14568254They didn't make the appropriate devotions before the machine spirit nor did they burn the correct ceremonial incense while fueling the rocket. This made the machine spirit angry.
>>14568261there will be a lot of whining and crying
>>14568263you think there would be a better solution than buy x number of dishes
>>14568267time to get snacks
>>14568261Prepare for the alien site shills to start countershilling with bitter FUD statements. The usual
>>14568263from the first article>Starlink is also set to arrive on at least a few airliners, including Hawaiian Airlines. However, rival satellite operators, including Dish Network and Viasat, have filed complaints with the FCC over concerns that roving Starlink access will interfere with their own satellite networks. This week, Dish sent a letter to the FCC, demanding that it crack down on the unauthorized use of Starlink dishes on moving vehicles until full clearance has been approved.
>>14568263the second article gives insight on what kind of shit they are working with now
>>14568275>crack down on the unauthorized use of Starlink dishes on moving vehicles>until full clearance has been approved.That's not how shit fucking works.
>>14568275>Royal Carribean>the same line that cucked themWhat did Ol Musky mean by this?
>russia's military couldn't knock starlink offlineevery other satellite internet company is about to lose their lunch. obviously the government/military doesnt want a monopoly though so they might find ways of helping another provider or two stay afloat.
> muh trainshow about something that can go up or down steep slopes without crapping out?
>>14568285>find other waysThey'll just pay them to continue existing.
>>14568275>However, rival satellite operators, including Dish Network and Viasat, have filed complaints with the FCC over concerns that roving Starlink access will interfere with their own satellite networks.>concernsSomeone needs to tell Dish and Viasat that the real world works on evidence and facts, not 'concerns'. Unless they have solid evidence that Starlink transmissions on moving vehicles are interfering with their own networks, they should be told quite sternly to fuck off. In fact they should be fined for throwing up deliberate obstacles to free trade in the form of obvious bullshit.
>>14568285>>14568289As much as we laugh at Amazon, Kuiper will also be leaps and bounds ahead of existing satellite internet technologies. There you go, that's your monopoly problem solved. RIP in peace, oldspace internet.
>>14568287The gayest mode of travel aside from the segway.
>>14568280Getting one of their staff attorneys to write up a protest costs them almost nothing. Since there's no penalty for protests that are turned down, why not use them to hurt your competition, even if only a little? Businesses in all kinds of industries do this to each other, and often small players to squash them before they can grow.
>>14568295still waiting on that...
>>14568287not this gay shit again
>>14568308Didn't you hear? Amazon bought up practically every single non-SpaceX commercial launch for the next FIVE years so that they can get the first Kuiper shell launched on schedule. They're so desperate to make this thing work that they just sold the entire commercial launch market to SpaceX and any other company that can get a functioning medium-lift rocket flying in the next few years.It's kind of a good thing because I didn't see any feasible way for Terran R or hobbitlab Neutron to get their foot in the door previously.
>>14568304>For freight trains, gradients should be as gentle as possible, preferably below 1.5%.even bumping that figure up for low gravity its gayer than cable cars>>14568311seething
>>14568275>Viasat
>>14568314You don't even know how much that figure can be bumped up. You just like gay cable cars. Come back when you figure out what grade is possible on Mars with rail before making claims of cable cars being better.
>>14568321Gradient would be lower on Mars because of less grip. Trains would be more efficient, but require shallower inclines.Cable cars are still a joke though.
any minute now...
Threadly challenge:(you) have accidentally made several billion dollars off of crypto and are now in a position to start your own newspace company.What product do you make? Where do you fit into the market? Who do you hire? Where do you build your facilities?
>>14568332make a habitat that can be used on earth/moon/mars, so i can collect $$$ from all 3 places
>>14568308lmaoI was down at the cape for a launch last year and it struck me there are no billboards on the island but there sure is a giant building with twenty foot tall "Blue Origin" lettering right next to KSCThe Tesla charger in the KSC parking lot was a nice touch
>>14568321if we treble it its still 4.5% gradients which is pathetic.meanwhile:>Achieving a maximum gradient exceeding 159%, the new cable car system will transport up to 800 passengers per hour and can carry up to 2.5 tonnes of cargo as underload in regular operation.https://www.mynewsdesk.com/schilthorn/pressreleases/stechelberg-muerren-worlds-steepest-aerial-cableway-3055495
>>14568259Buddy, temperature is not an important factor. The reason cold welding is a potential issue is because when you have friction between metal surfaces without atmospheric oxygen to re-form exterior oxide layers, you end up having bare metal to metal contact, which allows electrons to be shared throughout the metal components, which is literally how metal welding works. "Cold welding" is just what we call it when metals start sticking together without application of heat or energy, it's not that two cold pieces of metal will just weld for whatever reason.In the case of Mars rail systems, cold welding would be a problem if it started happening, because the tiny spots of cold contact welding between the rails and the wheels would lead to rapid surface roughening as the welds were continually formed and then ripped apart again. However, if you use two metals which do not have mutual affinity, like steel and titanium, the rate of cold welding will be much lower. Other options for eliminating cold welding could be to use ceramic wheels, though you'd need a VERY tough ceramic in order to pull that off, and very wide rails to offer a large enough weight bearing surface.
>>14568332>several billion dollarsThat's loads. The total dev cost of Starship is several billion dollars. So probably build something similar and create a duopoly.
>we have an established autist >the cable fag
>>14568254t. probability don't real
>>14568332I wouldn't. I'd probably try to buy a huge chunk of Air Liquide and expand their range.
>>14568287Never happening. Dragline excavators however, now that's a technology well suited to early industries on other worlds where massive hydraulic pistons are almost impossible to build but steel wire ropes and chains are a diamond dozen
>>14568345Or you could just build a maglev system so that there's zero points of contact.
>>14568328>Gradient would be lower on Mars because of less grip.It's equal. There's less grip force because there's less weight force, and therefore the grip to weight ratio stays exactly the same. This is true if you do not make design considerations to increase grip. For example, here on Earth several rail lines exist that use a rack and pinion system to climb steep sections, where the weight is still borne on the wheels but the propulsion comes from a series of gears engaging a ground-mounted rack gear the length of the steep section of track. That being said, the northern hemisphere of Mars is very flat and perfect for rail networks, and on Mars railroad bridges are easy to build, so you can extend rail networks into the rugged southern hemisphere reasonably enough. Even the volcanos of the Tharsis region on Mars don't require much consideration to access by rail, since they're shield volcanos with a maximum grade of around 5%. If we can build rail through Japan we can build rail on Mars, where the environment is less corrosive, doesn't have life shitting up the place, is less rugged, and doesn't have significant weather of any kind other than mild wind force sometimes.
>>14568332I browse /sfg/ all day and while I dream big I do nothing of note because I don't want the responsibility
>>14568385Usually I don’t like trainfags shitting up generals but this is very very based and trainpilled.
>>14567986The intro flashed a news article on screen about NASA's orbital construction boom and Clinton is campaigning on a space economyModules probably go up on Sea Dragon and get bolted together with space-trained construction workers who get brought up on shuttles. First episode already shows non-agency space personnel are a thing and apparently not as good as The Right Stuff. I wonder when someone in-universe puts two and two together and realizes the main characters are disaster magnets. Nothing goes right when they're around but everything goes perfectly in the timeskips
>>14568373It's harder to do maglev. It's not impossible of course but it would seem very unlikely that a Mars settlement effort with several widely spread facilities and growing colonies would make the jump directly from ground vehicles like trucks to maglev trains without any in-between conventional rail systems, even if maglev technology progresses a lot by then.
>>14568392Thank you and I also avoid talking about trains but it just seems really likely that they'll be the most optimized form of transport on other worlds without significant atmospheres or oceans.
>>14568393fucking sea dragon meme magic
>>14568397rovers -> cable cars -> railways will be the progression as transportation demands increase
>>14568332Invest several billion in SpaceX and hope to live long enough to see MarsNo matter how much misplaced self-confidence I have, I doubt I could do better than SpaceX and I definitely don't want to put in the work necessary to do better
>>14568280>>14568291>Company comes into stable but shit market>Makes something better>Older companies no likey the progress>Lawsuits and warnings ensueThe classic move when the market is too stable and Billy isn't gonna be getting his guaranteed pay check every month.
>>14568418>someone once suggested cable cars for the moon and now because I'm a retarded autist I can't stop suggesting using cable cars everywherestop being retarded
>>14568439> no argument duly noted
>>14568418No advantage to cablecars.
>>14568448making cables and putting prefabricated towers every 100 metres along the route is easier than building rails & railbeds
>Astra ($ASTR) down more than 20% as trading opens this morning after yesterday’s launch failure.
>>14568456Not really, no.
>>14568464Watch it go down in real timehttps://finance.yahoo.com/quote/ASTR/
>>14568464>1,53 USD per sharejesus christ it was 2,02 USD last night
>>14568464>>14568467>>14568469so when do I buy the dip?
>>14568465proof? bear in mind the cables can go over hills and chasms and that rails will need longer routes, bridges, tunnels etc.
>>14568472Now? It's not like it can get any worse… right?
>>14568456Aerial tramways have historically only been used in places where the local geography made building a railway impractical/expensive. It will always be cheaper and more practical to build a railway if you can, plus rail is more versatile in terms of the cargo you can carry.
>>14568467>if only you knew
>>14568477Is it possible to coil up railways like cable and then make them rigid after anchoring them to the Martian ground?
>>14568483u wot
>>14568477sure, eventually settlements and outposts will be connected by rail but in the intermediate period when rovers can't cut it and the civil engineering needed for rail is too much, cables will have their day
>>14568492Ah yes, just like that great period of westward expansion in the 19th century when the new territories of the United States were dotted with aerial tramwaysOh wait
>>14568474>proof?It was revealed to me in a dream.>bear in mind the cables can go over hills and chasmsUseless, just go around in a 200 km/h conventional train or a 800+ km/h maglev train.>rails will need longer routesRails are useful for more than just short haul routes unlike cablecars, yes.>bridges, tunnels etcCablecar pylons for a kilometer are more difficult to build than a single rail bridge over some unavoidable obstacle every ten kilometers, and tunnels aren't necessary to get rail installed on Mars any more than tunnels were necessary to cross the American midwest. Cablecar transport is a niche solution to a narrow set of problems where rail is not suited. It's not a replacement or even really a competitor to rail. It's really a competitor to switchback roadways into steep walled craters and open pit mines. Connecting settlements will NOT happen using cablecars.
>>14568483No, silly. We won't be sending infrastructure hardware to other worlds inside rockets anyway, it'll all be made in-situ.
>>14568496>19 C. America is a good comparison for another planet where you are starting from scratch Where will the Mars railroad coolies come from?
>>14568507Noooooo not again please no more two weeks I can’t fucking handle the delays anymore.
IT'S UP!
>>14568492There will never be a period in which "rovers" can't cut it though, at the very worst case we'd have land trains/convoys of a few dozen large vehicles rolling across the land on simple dirt roads cut from the landscape and cleared of boulders and such, similar to Antarctic convoys. The way it will have to go is Settlement A needs resources that are available 100 km away or whatever, so a team uses satellite imagery to plan out a route that will require the least amount of roadwork to be done in order to establish a highway to that location. Once the preparatory work has been completed, a big convoy of vehicles heads off, with faster supply trucks making the back and forth trip along the road from Settlement A to the convoy in order to keep all needs met. The convoy arrives at the location and deploys the modules and equipment they brought with them, and they start constructing an outpost which will eventually grow and be called Settlement B. Now there's a well traveled and established roadway between Settlement A and B, but travel times are slow and cargo mass throughput is small. Work is done at first to improve the roads and reduce average trip times, but eventually the needs of both settlements require something better than a road. They want high mass throughput and short travel times. The transportation planning group designs a simple railway connecting both settlements: it stays fairly close to the highway for convenience in construction and access in case of a breakdown or emergency, but does deviate in a few places to go around obstacles and keep to wide sweeping turns. The construction teams go out and build the railway over the next couple of years, installing steel frame sleepers and steel rails, with one or two short sections of railway bridge, plus several sections of parallel track to allow multiple trains to use the railway at a time and pass by each other. Now the settlements have a conventional rail connection and are 30 mins apart.
>>14568393This kinda reminds me of an old manga called Moonlight Mile about a Japanese space construction workerIn hindsight it looks a lot like For All Mankind
>>14568506Probably something called Mars Heavy Industries Technologies Ltd, and resembling vid relatedhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMXfU8blPMM&ab_channel=HD1080ide
Environmental Assessment is done. Waiting for word from FAA on outcome
>>14568464Astra anon please fucking tell me you sold everything alreadyhttps://youtu.be/36KN5FIEY4k
Any minute now...
>>14568536#Wen ropening?
>>14568536Me when theWhen the uhMy face when the thing The finding is a no significant impact
>>14568536REJOICETHANK YOU JOE BIDEN
everyone should send thank you cards to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue NW, Washington, DC 20500we need to reward good behavior
>>14568536I-is it finally happening? What is this emotion I am feeling...?
1456854914568554Enough of that noise, we have something real to talk about now.
Ariane 6 delayed to 2023
>>14568549I’m on team Brandon now, cmon man! Let’s get those faggots to Mars!
>>14568558That was expected.
>>14568558every launcher: sorry we're suffering from delaysspacex: the government is delaying us, we want to fucking launch already
>>14568472You dont
>>14568564The government is not delaying SpaceX. Both the launch site and vehicles are not ready.
>>14568557
Is the site having the same issues as last time?
>>14567794Astra. More like Pulsar.
>>14568567The lunch site and vehicles are not ready because of delays to launch approval. No sense getting the minimum viable launch pad and vehicle ready if they're going to sit for 8 months doing nothing, when you can instead keep building better prototypes and working to implement more advanced features.
Where the fuck is it?????FAA what the fuckAaaaaaaaaaaa
>>14568536Wait so what was the finding of the EA
>>14568573It’s a cache issue I think
>>14568586They're scrambling to find an excuse for further delays
If this post is dubs, then the FAA will release a FONSI today.
DELAYED AGAIN WTF
>>14567555Korolev Gate sounds cool Tbh
>>14568332Mass-produced modular habitation. Long inflatables, primarily. Architecture built around Starship.>that man could've made half a billion dollars
>>14568102Interesting, i did not think about it that way, do you know any related resources?
$ASTR is at $1.50
>>14567761> polit so simple to spot newfag r3dditors nowadays
>>14568596Meanwhile, at the FAAhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNTU0zgU00s
>>14568606Surprisingly it has plateaued since the initial drop
Digits and the FAA approve
>>14568603>do you know any related resourcesNo that's all just from my own analysis of the mechanics. Basically all habitats are pressure vessels, and the requirements for building a pressure vessel are easier to satisfy at smaller scales, therefore at smaller scales there can exist much more variety in design and materials used compared to larger scales, where the sheer forces involved hammer out a lot of the wiggle room.
>>14568622Checked. FAA will approve
>>14568622I am watching intently
>>14568607even easier to spot faggots from the boards where words like redditors are marked as spam who keep shitting up wholesome sfgkeep telling us how much of an old fag you are again freind
>>14568635Bro you're fucking retarded, just quit.
>>14568622
>>14568635Shut up and keep it on-topic
>>14568622Very nice
>>14568501>Useless, just go around in a 200 km/h conventional train or a 800+ km/h maglev train....which are so easy to make that we already have them all over Earth, and can just everything over in a rocket. Or let's make them on Mars, bro!
>>14567561its from the mars trilogy, essential read if u care about mars colonisation.
>>14568653Their lack of prevalence has little to do with how difficult they are to build.
>>14568547Sorry about the months of delay, bro, we had to make sure that no beetles got killed until we absotively posolutely knew they wouldn't be!
>>14568661
>>14568670I rest my case.
>>14568596The delays will continue until the orange turd flies or blows up.
Mildly mitigated FONSI. ESGhound is going to rally legal efforts against it. Expect a media blitz in 2 months >T. Knower of things
>>14568678>3.5k follower twitter>Doing anythinglol
>>14568670Dude, just stop. No one is interested in your /o/ autism. Go bug them with your fetish.
>>14568685He’s just doing his job for kinder morgan
Just fucking ship the thing to Florida and launch from 39A. Why haven’t they done this?
>>14568693Because they're building a factory and launch site in Florida too.
>>14568254Sloppy build
>>14568622TODAY IS THE FUCKING DAYTHANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU JOE
What is the "knowledge path" to understand rocket science and the physics involved on satellite development. I just read several books about it but they are very surface level Imo. so I appreciate if you guys could help me with some topics in order. Im going to start with this basic physics course for now.
Is it wrong if I kind of agree with NASA on their concerns for the LC-39A starship pad? If it explodes it nukes the entire site, including where they launch crews. Starship is cool but it shouldn’t endanger the gravy train (F9, dragon, etc.)
>>14568707Da rocket ship have da bendy line in da fee dimensuhnBendy line do da diffwent tings whwn da gawvity do da fingWhen da rocket hit da fing it also change line
>>14568653>200 km/h conventional railYes, we do have these all over Earth actually. >800+ km/h maglevCompletely feasible on a planet with less gravity and 0.006x as much atmosphere. Really the only barrier would be how difficult it is to keep the magnets operating, and since maglev is possible on the hot humid Earth it should be just as possible on Mars. >can just everything over in a rocketNever claimed that >or let's make them on MarsYes, just like we will make every other piece of technology necessary for sustaining a settlement on Mars. If you are trying to argue that a maglev train can't be built on Mars, then you're really arguing that space colonization is impossible for whatever reason, in which case why are you in this thread?
>>14568718it's just a big fireball, not a bomb
>>14568720What drives someone to write and solve a captcha to post this in a science board
>>14568733/Sci/ catalog is worse
>>14568724A wild starship could easily knock over the launch tower at 39-A and screw everything over. They would have to launch from 40 or another pad. Maybe landing area 1 or 2 that Falcon-9 uses.
>>14568733Ask a stupid question, get a stupid response.If you had done enough fundemental physics and math you wouldn't need to ask that
>>14568733Immutable physical interactions between particles making up the brain of the human writing the post, free will is an illusion
>>14568707Many universities have direct pipelines for those areas. Shouldn't be so hard to look at their syllabus.
>>14568707Unironically play KSP, you will seek the knowledge as you run into problems or stare at things happening
When will the first weed plant be grown in space?
>>14568740smart guy, must felt really good writing that i bet.>>14568749 and >>14568751 are good answers, thanks ill give it a look/try.
>>14568753Earth is in space
>>14568306the entire financial sector is extremely jewish and needs to be burned out an rebuilt
>>14568755Not on earth then
>>14568753If I had to live confined inside a pressurized habitat and one of the other colonists had one of those STINKING shitplants growing inside, I would probably just commit murder.
>>14568483>>14568492>>14568501Cables definitely have a place: mining. Here’s how it would work. Several pairs of pylons are placed over an ore patch. Cables are strung between them. Each pair of pylons have several cable cars running along them. Bucket is lowered from the cable car, scoops up some dirt then deposits it at the cable car terminal. If you design the system well, you can basically mine an arbitrary pit anywhere you want. You could even have the poles be rovers themselves (self-burying/drilling anchors and a telescoping pole system). This mining setup would have several parallel identical setups to mine not just a line but a rectangle. The idea is basically a networked dragline.Cables (technically wire rope) are fairly low tech- they’d be one of the first things to make with indigenous steel. The pylons are also low tech (angle iron, bolts). So the only imported components of the system would be computers and motors (and ball bearings etc). The cable car system also has the advantage of only exposing the rugged parts to the mine- a bucket scoop- instead of an expensive bulldozer, truck, etc. also, because the pit is only accessed with cable cars it wouldn’t need a road to be built into it, making operations simpler.
>>14568332an investigation into whether space habitats, hotels, or asteroid mining will be more near-term profitable, then go with thatexpand into the others as the capital comes in to feed it
>>14568766Just build a big dragline excavator it's easier and just as effective at digging holes
>>14568771Nah just invent a life support system crate that can be mounted inside any pressurized volume and support X number of people. Habitat design now boils down to picking a pressurized volume you want then buying N crates to service a population of N(X) people.
>>14568766so this but on the moon?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RiYXI1Tfu4
>>14568501Maglevs are expensive and underutilized on earth because a) airplanes have economies of scale and can compete on many journey legs and b) land is already taken. Airplanes are hard on Mars (need to fly really fast to make enough lift) so will likely not be a big method of transportation.(point to point rockets on Mars are actually really viable, but need lots of propellant). Maglevs are nice bc once you build them their operating cost is very low - Mars is cold so superconductors don’t need exotic cooling, and the power to levitate and move a train is minimal with such minimal air density and gravity.
>>14568335>>14568602This is also what I was planning on doing. Develop inflatables that fit within a Falcon 9 cargo bay, have whipple shielding and maybe radiation shielding, and set up easily. Also R&D life support systems and electricity systems that work well in space, so you can integrate those into the inflatables.From there, create an entire architecture of modular segments so you can build an entire space station with a few Falcon launches. Obviously, futureproof by designing larger segments that fit into a Starship bay as well.You could adapt it for Mars or the Moon by just putting legs on it so it doesn't lose heat to the ground. Bam, Mars base done.t. the guy who posted the challenge
>>14568332I would start a Space Suits company. I think we need that now more than ever.
>>14568404the magic of dirt cheap full retard heavy lift
>>14568799exoskeleton or bust
>>14568784Yeah pretty much. I'm not sure I fully agree with the idea that cooling is significantly easier on Mars (it's a bit colder sure but it's also harder to get rid of waste heat in such thin air, but then again it should be easier to insulate the electronics from inflowing heat as well). In the outer solar system though I'd fully agree, maglev train systems are going to be superviable, especially at Saturn and beyond where average temperatures are low enough that REBCO superconductors work under more or less ambient conditions. Essentially all of the magic of flexible room temperature superconductors, except for inside of the actual habitat spaces.
>>14568751SimpleRockets 2 > KSP
>>14568782>>14568766Kind of! But the cable cars actually have their own winch and bucket to drop down and scoop up stuff in their path.>>14568772The limit on how much a dragline can dig is the length of the boom and the angle of repose of the dirt it’s digging. A cable system I proposed could do a kilometer wide pit or something insane like that.
>>14568804Funny how we still collectively think of sea dragon as cheap as dirt when it was expected to achieve around $300/kg, 3x the pessimistic estimate for Starship launch economics.
>>14568810A dragline excavator could do any sized pit so long as it was capable of moving around, though, and it'd be a lot less of a headache to set up in the first place. I just really dislike the idea of railroading yourself by using a piece of generally immobile infrastructure as your excavation tool.
>>14568812starship will be priced alot higher than $300/kg
>>14568820if there is no competition then yes
Faa did it. It's over!!! SpaceX is finished
>>14568808>SimpleRockets 2 > KSP
>>14568707>>14568751>Unironically play KSPYou mean play KSP RO/RSS/RP1. Stock KSP is useful for learning basic gameplay mechanics but he should switch after that. Obviously it's no replacement for studying but it's fun and it will help establish an understanding of how spaceflight actually works. >>14568602>Architecture built around Starship>8m inflatablesNigger, Starship is the reason why inflatables make no sense outside of specialty modules that absolutely must have a larger diameter than 8m. For length you can just combine shorter modules that have a large docking port.
>>14568824It's joever
>>14568143I miss the old Mars art
>>14568824
>>14568820$300/kg Starship equates to $45,000,000/launch if Starship is doing 150 tons to orbit. That's a pessimistic number for fully operational Starship launch prices. I would only expect to see $45 million/launch during early days right as Starship is debuting as a commercial launch option.
>>14568838shotwell has already said they are going to price starship launches the same as falcon 9
>>14568832Dude seems stoked to have found that fossil
>>14568838>>14568842still a substantial discount considering the mass differencenot surprising they'd want to squeeze profitmore cash they make, the more starship factories they can afford
>>14568842Yeah hence my post. If you think her statement means "Starship will perpetually cost $50 million per launch like a Falcon 9" then you're incorrect. Starship launch costs and prices are guaranteed to drop over time and only a very small amount of decrease compared to the Falcon 9 is necessary to achieve better launch economics than Sea Dragon.
>>14568851if anything they will go up not downhyper inflation is here to stay
>>14568853Hyperinflation is not permanent.
>>14568855correctdestruction of society comes after thatjust look at every other nation that has hyper inflation
>>14568853You fat retard, they could lower the price if they wanted to, but they have no reason to if there’s no competition
>>14568853>>>/d/
>>14568858wrongfalcon 9 had its price increased recentlyif they were making hueg profit they wouldn't need to do that
>still nothing from FAAit's over
>>14568857Developed nations can deal with that.
>>14568862kek
>>14568869you hope and pray they can
>>14568868Imagine if protesters actually protested the right things for a change.
>>14568678>ESGhoundWorks for Oil & Gas companies fuck him hypocrite
https://twitter.com/joroulette/status/1536381765375258624
>>14568881>last minute release*sigh*
>>145688811h 40min for the release
>>14568881reminder that FAA can still give starbase the red stampits most likely to happen since NASA is now shitcanning the florida site
>>14568873They don't take street protestors seriously.
>>14568871I can't wait.
>>14568853>hyperinflation>less than 10%retard alert
>>14568888>>less than 10%OHNONONONONONOOOOOspoiler alert the real inflation amount is closer to 20%
>>14568864They increased the number of dollars you need to use to buy a launch, they did not increase the price. Inflation simply means the same price requires a greater amount of less valuable currency.
>>14568888>less than 10%true retard alert
>>14568891>>14568893Sorry I got quads I win you lose.
>>14568881It's definitely 100% ready to release right now, what's going to be completed in less than two hours that it needs to be held back for?
>>14568892>they increased the price>b-but they didn't increase the price ok???holy cope
>>14568864Why wouldn’t they increase their price? They can charge more and get the same business. It’s not a charity.
>>14568894>>>/b/
I am a bit worried about the FAA thing
>>14568885only when the "protest" is for Current Thing being shilled by the MSM
>>14568897Relative to all other commodities on the planet, their price is identical to what it was before. Prices haven't gone up, money has been devalued.
>>14568902I accept your concession.
>>14568888You can run massive deficits and pay for it either with higher taxes or devalued currency. Congress has no appetite for raising taxes so everyone is fucked by hyperinflation.
>>14568905don't bewhile the political fuck fuck games can let them delay it a fuckton, Musk's political friends forbids them from outright denying itif they try, Texas will sue
>>14568909Well the hope was that depressed demand from the recession would prevent inflation.For the smaller stimuluses that we did during the 2008 recession, it didn't contribute to inflation at all.The problem is that the economy recovered quicker than we were expecting, and demand increased, which led to a massive supply crisis. The whole Ukraine thing is aggravating the problem by raising food and energy costs.
With all due respect if they block Starship launches from Boca Chica I will assassinate the families of every member of FAA upper management
>>14568917Respectful
Knower hereElon is going to be PISSEDIf he doesn't know already(he probably does)
>>14568913Ah, I see schizos already have their cope prepared
It's fucking over lads>t. knower
Some leaker says SpaceX made FONSI but there are some mitigation’s to be made
>>14568934What's over?
Ship 24 is getting prepped for a full stack and there's about 300 methane trucks being staged, I think SpaceX is about to get the launch license. We've been waiting 10 months, the launch could be as soon as tomorrow morning.
>>14568938the "some mitigation's" basically make the site unusable
>>14568942>5 launches per yearIt has already been basically unusable.
>>14568940launch license takes a month
>>14568942No it means no expansions, only one launch area, etc. kind of sucks but whatever
>>14568938>>14568942>some mitigations"You can launch as often as you want, as long as you humanely evacuate all wildlife within 2.5km of the launch pad before every launch""Yes this includes beetles"
>>14568945>still thinks its 5
on a completely unrelated notehow far along are the oil rigs?
The best mitigation requirement is going to be SpaceX taking out most of the Starbase employee parking spots since they'll have to be shuttled in from Brownsville.That's a lot more area opened up for production.
>FAA>we won't let you launch in Boca Chica because it's not the only possible site>>14568718>NASA>concerns for the LC-39A starship pad
>>14568956yepits oil rigs or bust now
>>14568952Probably haven't done anything significant to them, however it's not like they'd be much more complex than a land-based launch pad so I'm not bothered by this fact at all.
>>14568956Bro it’s a good concern. Look at the damage N1 caused when it exploded. A starship explosion at 39a would be awful
>>14568956Is it outside the realm of possibility that Elon and his top engineers all pick up and move to China?
SpaceX's SLC-40 Falcon 9 crewed launch implementation will include lifting Crew up via man-lifts to the side hatch and the pad crew too, everything being done on man-lifts and NASA's heads will spin
Why is nobody concerned with the potential Megumin rocket explosion?
>>14568961>NASA is worried Starship failing right next to their launch pad for Crew Dragon is a concernOH NOOOO AHHHH THIS IS AWFUL AHHHHH
>>14568961Yes
>>14568961yesthey know the bugmen would just steal their data and put a bullet through their skulls, if the CIA somehow didn't do it first
We knew they’d probably get a mitigated FONSI for a few weeks. Why all the doom and gloom?
>>14568963fuel isn't properly mixed upon explosionit'd be a very pretty and loud fireball, but the destructive power would be minimalTower would be mangled, but it was built to be a dirt cheap tank>>14568970just a horde of shitposters taking the opportunitythey'll leave shortly when they get bored and not show up again until the next mess
>>14568970the mitigated part is alot worse now
Knower here CSS is going to be PISSED If he doesn't know already(he probably does)
>>14567968Might be interesting to see how turbopump power scales with engine thrust.
SpaceX probably won’t need more than 5 or so flights a year until 2024 anyways. By then they’ll have the LC-39a (or whatever cape backup) ready
>>14568961China is headed into economic collapse I wouldn't go there. I think offshore platforms would be a better backup option but making a land-based launch site work would be cheapest achievable, IF they can get the permissions to do the things they are aspiring to do. Maybe compromise and build an artificial island/platform in the gulf with some floating LOX/Methane pipelines stretching to a tanker facility on shore.
https://twitter.com/RyanHansenSpace/status/1535639399672815623I dont think there's ever been a rocket in history with a stage zero that threatened to destroy it so completely on launch if it didn't all work perfectlyRisky
>>14568985You're confusing the potential limited scope defined by FAA with the potential need for less launch scope. Don't confuse the cause for the effect.SpaceX wants all the launch capability they can get. If that means 1000 launches per year from Boca, they will seek that. Don't mistake the environmental limitations with limited ambitions of SpaceX.
>>14568987I’m going to be honest, this, combined with the potential to nuke the launch site, makes Starship look like a bad idea. This is unsafe.
>>14568884I'm so stoked to see the endless waves of seethe when the muskrats are BTFO once in for all.
>>14568973>Tower would be mangledIt may be heat affected and they'd likely need to pull a few kilometers of new cable to replace the old burned up stuff but yeah, a big fireball poof looks dramatic but isn't that destructive, all that glowing hot gas represents energy that ISN'T going into the shockwave after all.
>>14568975CSS may be pissed but he's always retarded
>>14568987To be fair, if any rocket’s hold down clamps fail, the rocket does too
Clearly what SpaceX needs to do is just build a booster and starship stack somewhere sans engines, avionics, etc, fuel it up to full and detonate it Mythbusters style to find out what the damage would be on LC-39A and Starbase, I recommend White Sands lol
Knower hereEGS is going to be PISSEDIf he doesn't know already(he probably does)
>>14568987>I dont think there's ever been a rocket in history with a stage zero that threatened to destroy it so completely on launch if it didn't all work perfectlyHow about the N1, which actually managed to do exactly that?
>>14569002This could actually work
>>14568193Rail greasing is a common practice to reduce wear here on urf. Im sure a low pressure grease formulation is possible.
>>14568987
>>14568992>We have no idea what a methalox pad explosion would be like! It could be like a nuke going off!>We have to expect the worst and NOT BUILD ANYTHING!>>14569002based
>>14568987? All launch towers have hold down clamps, SSH isn't special in that regard. Also, these things are beefy as hell and perform a very simple swing/away motion after releasing the booster. If one doesn't signal it unlocked its release on the booster, the rest won't let go. If one unlocks but fails to retract, then it's gonna get washed by exhaust and likely need some repairs. Pretty sure there's no failure mode in which the booster tries to lift off but is still pinned at one point and dies as a result.
SpaceX needs to be shutdown. For safety of all the union paying job workers who would be exposed to the nuclear explosion from the SpaceX rockets failures.
>>14569004Stage Zero didn't destroy N1...
>>14569005>Im sure a low pressure grease formulation is possibleYeah it's called graphite dust
Knower here. The mitigations are all related so solving them is easy. This is good news.
>>14569013That was mostly vapors, for the real deal look at SN5 blowing up with several hundred tons of liquid methalox propellants inside. Hint: it wasn't significantly more destructive.
>>14569013It's been so long since last test kino...
>>14569030>The mitigations are all related so solving them is easy.All the mitigations are solved by never launching
La creatura paga de la Nasa
>>14569040>gif becomes jpgI hate iPhones.
>>14569038Fortune favours the bold
>>14568851>>14568842She probably is wary of the Osborne Effect. If she says Starship will be much cheaper than Falcon 9, some customers will opt to wait.
>>14569045
>>14568314>>14568321>>14568328>>145683394-5% is about the max practical for conventional locomotive driven trains, although EMU where each axle is driven can double that.
>>14568973When the second stage of that F9 blew up it fucked up the tower though
>>14569045It's not iPhones, it's just 4chins being shit with phones. It's why phone images sometimes get flipped
Gonna sound stupid but what if SpaceX just doesn’t explode Starships?
>>14569060That was kerolox, methane is lighter than air after it boils.
>BEETLES are the single hurdle to interplanetary colonizationThis timeline sucks
>>14568853okay, stop being a fucking retard for 5 seconds and adjust for inflation
>>14569052based>>14569065I hate moot
>>14569066they willthere's still too much shit to test for them to do it flawlesslyeven if they do succeed without a fail, the nature of SpaceX is to crank things to the limit until they fail, just to see where those limits are
>>14568314>>14568321>>14569054You're missing the really pain in the ass part.Surface temperature on Mars varies by like 100 degrees between day and night. How are you going to prevent buckling and brittleness in the steel rails?
>wake up>still no final PEAi can't take it
>>14569075Inflation wouldn't be an issue if was zero-sum as you seem to be insisting. Please stop replying, you are retarded. Your input on the subject is not welcome or in any way insightful.
>>14569090>everyone on 4chan that replies to me is the same persontake your fucking meds or kill yourself
>>14568483Kind of. There's trains that carry continuously welded rail in half mile long sections, and the rail just flexes as the train goes around curves.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XH5S012dOo
>>14569094wrong
Honestly Starship is pretty reliable so far. Like shit breaks once in a while but the ship has demonstrated a perfect ascent so fAr
>>14569096We need an automated version of this to litter the Martian surface with rails made of ISRU steel.
>>14569087Put a roof over the track. Track is always in shade, track always stays very cold, expansion/contraction is mitigated.
>>14568622>anon didn't say it would be today
Say it with me now,FONSI
>>1456908831 minutes
>>14568687>trains and maglev>/o/lol
>>14569105that 3 engined thing is not starship
>>14569014That's exactly what Jinx planned.
It leakedCheck redditDoesn't look good
Astra is at $1.50 a share. Astrabro I work at a grocery store maybe we can hire you now
>>14568993>>14569004>>14569052>>>/a/
>>14569134>>>/reddit/
NASA's LC-39A concerns will likely accelerate LC-49b development(this is a good thing)
>>14568766Like areceibo (rip) but moving a bucket instead of the receiver.
>>14569133Line go down?Wen line go back up??
>>14569138The tower segments aren’t stacked but they’re done. Moving them somewhere else is probably ezpz
>>14569142it's not that easy in tower segment transportation
Supposed Reddit insider weighs in on the FONSI
>>14569113> Martian trains need hundred mile long cucksheds to workoh no no no
>>14569111I do believe that across a large portion of Mars' surface, at least 40%, the ground is already flat and stable enough that a long trainlike vehicle that rolled on wheels in front and on rails in back and assembled and installed the railway as it drove across the landscape would be a viable and effective option for building out this kind of rail network. It'd be supplied with materials and components via vehicles travelling on the rail it laid down as it crawled along.
>>14568975Css is perpetually assblasted
>>14569113Put solar panels over the track and run vehicles over the solar panels. Solar Friggin' Roadways will finally have its day in the sun.Mostly joking but if engineered correctly, lightweight vehicles could use that. If you need to run some machine parts between outposts, using the full size high speed train wouldn't be ideal unless one happened to be leaving at the right time.
>>14569150>claim insider>regurgitate publicly available informationWhat did he mean by it?
>>14569002Yes please
>NASA says the FAA and Astra will lead an investigation into the TROPICS-1 failure, with the agency expecting to put the launch schedule of the two remaining TROPICS missions on hold in the meantime.
>>14569169AND IT DON'T STOP COMING AND IT DON'T STOP COMIN AND IT DON'T STOP COMIN
>>14569154Shouldn't Discovery have its primary engines removed in that configuration?
>>14569169>AND YOU COULD HAVE IT ALL>MY EMPIRE OF DIRT
>>14569169>put the launch schedule of the two remaining TROPICS missions on hold in the meantimeOh thank god, they've gotten a stay of execution.
>>14569169>NTSB will desperately try to butt in
>>14569154>Martian railways benefit greatly from tin roof cuckshed technology>use solar panels as roofing material along rail lines because why not>solar cells and simple battery banks every 100 meters both provide shade in the day to keep the rails cool and provide energy to heat traces at night in winter to prevent the rails cooling off too much>whole system maintains the rails within a 10 degree celsius range year round, 24.5h/dayseems like not a bad idea actually
Who do you guys think is gonna buy Astra?
>>14569163Just drive under the solar panels silly.
>>14569177Then put curved panels enclosing the sides and now you have hyperloop.
>>14569163Use the solar panels for shade for the track instead
>>14569183Yes, it's very important to exclude the famously thick Martian atmosphere to reduce drag.
>>14568784>>14568806One other advantage maglevs will have over conventional trains in lower gravity worlds-they will be able to go faster around the same curve than a train could. The lower gravity means that trains will need higher superelevtaion than they would on earth, but the superelevation required would make them unstable at low speeds.For passenger trains it's possible to counteract this using tilting cars, but freight cars don't tilt. Maglev of course doesn't have to worry about tipping over at anyspeed, so it can use all the superelevation desired.
>>14569183Nah leave the sides open-air so you don't get a buildup of compressed air in the tube front of your train, so you can go faster
>>14569182You shouldn't drive on train tracks. Bad things tend to happen.
>>14569173What could have been....Starship will be orbital before astra launches another tropics(and kills it again)
>>14569186Branding is very important.
>>14569187>For passenger trains it's possible to counteract this using tilting cars, but freight cars don't tilt.But why can't you tilt a freight car, weight? There's less weight for the same mass maybe that's enough, alternatively build stronger tilting mechanisms
15 minutes till muskrats start seethingI can almoat hear it already
>>14569163SOLARFREAKINGRAILWAYS
you can tell they're offboarders from the terminology
>>14569190Drive on the tracks with a train, is what I meant
>>14569188And miss out on the opportunity to add a vent every 100 meters with one of these guys on it?
>>14569163Tbh for the amount of effort it takes to put up hundreds or thousands of miles of solar panels, you could just use self driving rovers.
>>14569004Are you excited Phosposter?
>>14569196Shifting cargo?
>>14569203Reminder that these are a good idea and phil can't let it go
Glorious...
>>14569213I would imagine the cargo would shift more if the car couldn't tilt into the turns, though. Think of driving around a corner holding a coffee vertically versus making that exact turn but letting your coffee angle slightly into the turn, the latter case is less likely to spill
>>14569215>collagefag is the cable car fagIt all makes sense now
>>14569209Not futracool enough.
>>14569214Solar roadways as envisioned are dumb. Building solar panels using conventional panels next to or overtop of roadways such that they can be easily reached by crews doing maintenance? Less bad of an idea.
It's up.
>>14569222What about self driving land trains that use machine learning algorithms to search satellite imagery for paths?
IT’S OUT NOW IDK THE LINK NSF LIVEhttps://youtube.com/watch?v=yXqSpNZNyUc
>>14569221> all my enemies are the same guymeds
FAA CONFIRMED ITS A MITIGATED FONSI WE ARE GOING
FONSI CONFIRMED
ORBIT IN 30 MINUTES>ORBIT IN 30 MINUTES
MITIGATED FONSII HATE THEIR VOICES
>>14569163driving over them, in addition to being extremely retarded, would cover them in packed in dust really quickbetter to do solar roofing if you need it, or just make regular solar farms and not deal with the nonsense to begin with
We did it
>>14569210You think /sfg/ would be more into something explicitly about Earther genocide.
beetle bros i don't feel so good
WE GAAN
>Mitigated FONSISensible choice desu
>20 pages of limitationswhat the fuck
>less than 5 launches per yearITS OVER
What will CSS and RGV do now?
post the pdf
>>14569242Yes, the majority of power usage will occur around dense hubs of habitation and especially industrial activity, so clustering generation and storage around these centers just makes a lot more sense than spreading generation capacity across extremely long thin lines and then taking transmission losses to move that power where it's needed.
>>14568546What's in his (((mind))) right now
no way to sugarcoat this
>>14569256https://www.faa.gov/sites/faa.gov/files/2022-06/Final_PEA_Executive_Summary.pdf
>spacex MUST make annual contributions to specific wildlife organizationsCORRUPTION.jpg
>>14569209Yeah but then you dont get the extra energy
https://www.faa.gov/sites/faa.gov/files/2022-06/Final_PEA_Executive_Summary.pdf
>>14569260>No . . . no, this can't be real. This isn't real.
https://www.faa.gov/space/stakeholder_engagement/spacex_starship
>>14569263That's a bribe by any other name
Huge L for SpaceX to be honest.
You can post it here, you know?
lmao get fucked ESG Hound
>shuttle buses are now required>employees must use shuttle buses to get aroundOH NO NO NO
O C E L O T B R I D G E
>>14569263ESG bros.... we won
>>14569087Shit youre right. Gonna have to use an ultralow carbon steel allow to minimize the ductile brittle transition temperature.
>The natural gas pretreatment system and liquefier are no longer needed due toadvances in the design and capabilities of SpaceX’s Raptor engines. Previously,additional refinement of methane to purer levels than commercially available wasanticipated to be needed. However, as a result of engine advances, SpaceX can rely oncommercially available methane without refinement.>SpaceX increased the thrust of the Raptorengine; therefore, SpaceX has reduced the total number of engines. This change would notconstitute any discernable changes in environmental impacts. An increase from 61.7meganewtons (MN) to 74 MN would result in a less than 1 decibel change and would constitutea negligible change to the noise contours. The maximum thrust for Super Heavy would notexceed 74 MN.
>75+ actions are required before starship is allowed to launchwhat the fuck what the fuck
>>14569274NOT EVEN NASA DOES THISWHAT KEKED SHIT IS THIS
>>14569263Why specific? Do these organizations have any oversight at all?
I told youStarbase is essentially useless with all the restrictions
>>14569281I can get it down to one
>>14569268We are going
>>14569283Nothat's the pointit doesn't make good corruption if you can't siphon shekels away
IT’S OVER
>>14569281>what the fuck what the fuckFAA has brutally raped SpaceX
>>14569266>Summary is 43 pagesLol, lmao
>>14569293time for lawfare, as is tradition in jewish fuck fuck games
>>14569180Obviously jeff, he's got a passion for rockets that don't reach orbit
is orbit in july still possible or what??
>>14569282NASA isnt owned by a fraudulent robber baron chuddy, cope
>>14569298they have to build out a whole shuttle bus system that runs 24hours a day
>>14569255Cry like they have been doing
>>14569298LOL No
Esg actually wonSpacex requires a 404 permit>a 404 Clean Water Act permit, which also means 6-12 months delay. The 404 process could require its own EIS/EA
>>14569040goblino los jaypegos
there's like 15 actions related to turtles but none for beetles?
>>14569299It specifically is
>>14569280Hahahahhahaaa, fuck tou esgLmaooooo
>Five launches a yearFuck.
>>14569298Nope, by designthey don't want starship to fly ever, but they know they can't get thatso they're going to prevent them from flying til 2023
>>14569306>for filling wetlandsirrelevant
>>14569306More regulatory delay, great
>5 launches per year limitwhat the fuckwhat the fuckwhat the fcuk
>>14569278>ultralow carbon steelVery easy to do when you're using hydrogen gas as your reducing agent instead of carbon.
>>14569315They cant do anything till they get it
>>14569298Yes assuming Starship is ready.
>>14569281DMV races of the administrative state fortifying things again
Hang the regulations, hang the regulators, abolish the agencies.
>>14569306Well there it is, fuckI hate red tape so fucking much, i wo der if they are just going to abandon boca chica now
First time? Starship trending and not SpaceX like before
>>14569319that's been known for a while now
>>14569306Haahahah its literally fucking over
>>14569323>>14569330so what do they want to fill the wetlands for?
>>14569309Name whoever it is you think owns NASA then schizo
>>14569323They cannot do any new expansion without it, sorry ESG but you lost bigly.
>still need launch license on top of PEA mitigation measuresNo launch in 2022 I bet
>>14569336They are required to fill in wetlands around the facility to stop water run off
>Launch‐related operations are estimated to emit 43,892 metric tons of carbon dioxide equivalent per year. This estimation is substantially less than the total GHG emissions generated by the United States in 2018. The Proposed Action is not expected to result in significant climate‐related impacts.Lol, you can tell they hate they have to respond to the "Muh climate" retards.
Musk must cross the Rubic-Rio Grande
>>14569338The current site requires them to do filling for the pea
>>14569337The Federal Government: the greatest collection of criminal gangsters ever assembled in these lands.
>Preparing a historical context report (i.e., historical narrative) of the historic eventsand activities of the Mexican War (1846‐1848) and the Civil War (1861‐1865) thattook place in the geographic area associated with and including the Area of PotentialEffects (APE).>Funding the development and production of five interpretive signs (in English andSpanish) that describe the history and significance of the historic properties in theAPE.>Funding educational outreach (i.e., webpage content for agency websites,informative videos) to the public about the region's cultural heritage.>Documenting the landscape of the Palmito Ranch Battlefield following the Level IHistoric American Landscapes Survey standards and guidelines for nationallysignificant properties.based. Where do I sign up to be SpaceX's official historian?
https://mobile.twitter.com/SciGuySpace/status/1536409363497095168> SpaceX gets a key decision from the FAA that will allow the regulatory process to move forward, bringing Starship orbital launches from South Texas closer to reality:So I guess there is still a substantial amount of red tape left
another year of starship development wouldn't be the worst thing, but this is still very bad
>>14569306>For filling wetlands
>>14569348Putin loving traitors have no place on /sfg/, pls go
>>14569268Mitigation section air quality 3.3.5
>>14569301They will have four buses driving around before wednesday next week
This is good news what the fuck is wrong with you retards? The FAA was never going to say >“yeah Elon go ahead lol and fly every day lol”We didn’t even know if they’d get a FONSI a few months ago. What is wrong with you
>>14569180Spinlaunch.
>>14569343>This estimation is substantially less than the total GHG emissions generated by the United States in 2018A completely meaningless statement. But your average American has a carbon footprint of ~10 tons CO2, so Starship program is equivalent to 4000 Americans, which is basically nothing.
schizobros wtf??? you assured me biden wouldn't let this happen until the orange rocket launched?
>>14569354This is good, the only realistic alternative would be EIS.
>>14569306>for filling wetlandsSo they can't fill more wetland for 6 months to a year, but they already have all their required filled wetland spaces, so this causes zero delay.
>SpaceX would incorporate raptor protection measures into project design and any above‐ground utility upgrades. For example, SpaceX would equip structures with devices to discourage nest building and perching (e.g., monopole technology and visual fright devices).Heh
>>14569352Nonody gave a ahit about that bedore spacex came in, and now its supposed to be some important historic siteSeems like these assessments are just a way to funnel money into all kinds of random ass shit
>>14569358Noise quality 3.5.5>>14569277Yeah, but not everyone can/wants to wade through large PDFs
>>14569360shitposters and retards
>>14569312>they launch Starship 5 times in 1 week this August then mothball the entire site
>>14569368spacex scarecrows + robodogs to patrol at night
>>14569356Which they are required to do
>Doomers trying their hardest to make things sound badWhy do they do this?
>>14569308Beetlebros where did we go wrong?
>>14569308He can't keep getting away with it!
>>14569360The amount of mitogation and extra paperwork might mean its quicker to launch from the cape or even a oil rig
>>14569360This is a crippled fonsiBasically worse than just having it cancelled
>>14569360>This is good news what the fuck is wrong with you retards?It will take at the very least a year to comply with all the mitigations, and apply for the permits. IS FUCKING HORRIBLE NEWS.
>>14569376>It came to me in a dream
tankwatchers btfo
>>14569180Someone with a net worth of more than $23.00
>>14569370Visual mitigations 3.6.5
>>14569377pissing and shitting about popular thing bad is the only reason they're alivethey aren't wrong though, while its not the permanent thing they keep shitposting it is, it'll be a fucking frustrating political lawfare game for them to unfuck the situation
First lawsuit is already in
>>14569380Cape isn’t going to be done until 2023 let’s be real here>>14569383At least they didn’t get a EIS lol retard>>14569382If it was cancelled they’d be years away from launch
musk is finished
someone please sugarcoat this for me
>>14569359they'll need a fuel depot just for all the buses
>>14569380Not really. Quicker doesn't mean SpaceX doesn't want to launch. Besides, good chunk of the mitigations are put forward by SpaceX themselves, so the mitigations are likely already in effect or soon to be, so its essentially a done deal. The bigger deal are the small number of regulatory agencies permit requirement, which SpaceX may have been working with prior so they might get it soon as well, but its still a headache to deal with.
>gib starlink
>Funding the development and production of five interpretive signs (in English and Spanish) that describe the history and significance of the historic properties in the APE.Thank GOD for the FAA, I can't imagine what would have happened if SpaceX had launched before producing five interprative signs.
>>14569370>$500millioon insuranceHoly fuck
>>14569392That is good, but lawsuits take time, it means NO LAUNCHES THIS FUCKING YEAR, MAYBE HALF 2023FUCK THE FAA
SOMEONE TELL ME WHAT TO THINK
>>14569387HOE-LEE FUCK GUYS THEY NEED TO PUT IN SIGNS? THAT'S ANOTHER 3 MONTHS RIGHT THERE! ITS OVER!!!!!
imagine if all companies were held to this standard of community involvement and improvement
>B-BUT THE SEA TURTLES
>>14569229That could work but they'd need huge numbers painted on the sides. For some reason that's very important for Futracool.
>>14569393>At least they didn’t get a EIS lol retardOHHHH we are so lucky!!We are not being raped by 30 niggers, just 29! HEYYYYYY
>>14569196I suppose it could be done for freight cars, but I doubt it would be practical to make a mechanism robust enough to handle the beating freight cars need to handle. It might be a moot point though, as when I made my original post about tilting, I forgot that passenger cars tilt for passenger comfort, not for train stability.
>>14569407Its really fucking badNo launch this yearExpect to see oil rigs get rushed
>>14569407WE ARE GOIIING, FUCK DOOMERS
>>14569415>Racist>RetardMakes sense. Did you expect SpaceX to get a total greenlight? Fuckin idiot
Doomposters really are retarded.
>>14569389Historical mitigations 3.7.5>>14569404>>$500millioon insurancereminds me when I had to personally provide 1 million insurance just to do a software contract job. For an avionics organization.
>>14569412it would be very anti-semitic
SpaceX would collaborate with USFWS to meet environmental education objectives.To accomplish this goal, SpaceX will provide onsite Science, Technology,Engineering, and Math based learning opportunities. SpaceX will host regular sitetours and one annual educational event for students in the Brownsville IndependentSchool District. On the site tours, SpaceX will educate the students on the sensitiveresources and habitat surrounding the SpaceX facilities. SpaceX would coordinatewith the USFWS on the information to be shared relevant to the sensitive resourcesand habitat surrounding the SpaceX facilities. At the annual educational event,SpaceX will invite USFWS, TPWD, and NPS to speak to the importance of studyingthe Life and Physical Sciences.
>>14569409They could put the fucking signs in 15 mins, but until the boomers from FAA come and see and write a fucking report, it will take months.
>>14569398That's what diesel tanker trucks are for
>>14569421>>Racist>>RetardI see you are lost, Reddit is to the right.
>>14569422Anyone who pretends to be retarded as a joke can just be considered retarded outright.
>>14569407At first glance, most of the 75 stipulations can be solved in a matter of weeks, especially if done in parallel with a launch license application.So far I've only sen kvetching over simple things (shuttle buses and signs), future expansion (Filling wetlands) and financial donations (annoying but not time consuming).In essence, don't worry guys, everything will be ok!
>>14569421NOOOOOO! don't insult the poor niggerinos!
>500 Mbps down, 40-50 up with this antennahttps://twitter.com/AirlineFlyer/status/153634595135429836810gb symmetric when?
Musk had said he hoped to launch "in a month or two" like a few weeks to a month ago.
https://nitter.net/ESGhound/status/1536411062152609795#>This SpaceX PEA is hot garbage, as expected, but this part takes the cake. FAA cannot make a de minimus "non use" determination without written concurrence of the FWS. Sounds like they didn't get it. IncredibleSloppy work. Lawsuits will make quick work of this
>>14569424Department of Transportation Act mitigations, over 4 pages
>>14569436Musk says a lot of things.
>>14569421you can't say that here, based anon, they're fragile people
>>14569424>this bumfuck nothing "historical battlefield" deserves special treatment and attention all of a suddenGod I fucking hate the THC
>>14569327Elections have consequences.
>>14569438why do people care about this retard? He's been wrong time and time again
>>14569421> not being racist on /sfg/way to out yourself
>>14569436A man can always hope
14569440>replying to yourself this blatantlyjesus christ, go the fuck back
>>14569424This one is horribleSome nigger could trash something then spacex would be forced to restore it
>>14569447Nobody does, its the same person spamming him whenever he's not being used as a lolcow
>>14569439Department of Transportation Act mitigations, page 2 of 5
>>14569448Victor Glover is a cool dude
>>14569450not the case, and I've been here longer than you :)
>>14569433See >>14569427The fixes could be instantInspection and green ticks take months
>>14569377It's fun! XDDIt's over!!11! XDDD
>>14569453Department of Transportation Act mitigations, page 3 of 5
>mlk day>cesar chevez day>empancipation day>womens daywhat are these holidays america
So basically spacex has to rebuild all of boca chica
>>14569407It's literally fucking over.
>>14569466Don't ask, we are a cucked country
>>14569466Ignored, mostly.
>>14569448Eight 1950's dollars is equivalent to almost $100 modern dollars.
>>14569465Department of Transportation Act mitigations, page 4 of 5
Its happening again
>>14569404Elon:Hey Tesla Insurance, can you write a $500mil policy for Spacex?>ELon:SUre No prob.Elon: Thanks bud.
>>14569461This is nonsense, especially because most provide a specific timespan like "within 6 months of this report", so SpaceX can just keep going once they are up. Time will tell, but it's a broad assumption at this point.
>>14569471it says spacex is not allowed to have road closures on those days
Who is going to step in and fight back against this blatant Earth-centrist corruption
>>14569429it's not possible
>>14569461>The fixes could be instant>Inspection and green ticks take monthsExactly, that's what I said, SpaceX could have all done by tomorrow, but until the boomers from the FAA move their fat asses and write a report, and the other fat asses of the FAA in their desks take action, it will take months.NoFlightsThis Year.
>>14569475Doesn't the document say that the increase in thrust to 72 MN leads to a 1 decibel increase in noise?
>>14569478Bullshit, those are not real holidays. MLK day is celebrated by teachers and mail carriers, nobody else. The others are made up wholecloth.
>>14569473you do realize you can post it in a single file if you use pdf instead of images
>>14569466>what are these holidays americaWhere are the genderqueer and trannies day?
>>14569484Launch scheduled for 2 weeks out
>>14569489yes lol
>>14569490page S-32>No SH 4 access restrictions on the following holidays: Memorial Day, Labor Day,July 4th, MLK Day, Presidents’ Day, Texas Independence Day, Cesar Chavez Day,Emancipation Day in Texas (also referred to as Juneteenth), Veteran’s Day,Good Friday, Easter, Father’s Day, Mother’s Day, Thanksgiving Day, ChristmasDay, New Year’s Day (“Holidays”).
>>14569491Pdf has been posted already
No launch this yearNot a chance
>>14569473Department of Transportation Act mitigations, page 5 of 5>paragraph 15:>SpaceX will provide STEM based learning opportunities>SpaceX will host regular site tours>and one annual educational event>educate the students on... resources and habitats
>>14569473Thanks for posting screen caps anon.
>>14569498Damn, I was going to make a Juneteenth joke but once again reality beats sarcasm.
>>14569498>cesar chavez dayFake, never even heard of this one>juneteenthVery Fake, b8 holiday>religious holidaysC'mon nowThe rest are real holidays but you don't need to close the road for every single one of them. Father's day and Mother's day? Really? Whoever wrote this needs to be shot.
>>14569482why isn't it possible
Party tonight at Starbase ;)
>>14569505Water mitigations page 1 of 2
>>14569363I'M RIDIN WITH BIDEN AFTER THISTHANK YOU JOE THANK YOU FOR BELIEVING IN A BRIGHT FUTURE
>>14569438>>14569475>>14569447
>>14569518Water mitigations 3.9.5 page 2 of 2
NSF is sugarcoating this hard
most of these can be finished in two or three months 2bh
Good news is Raptor 2 has now switched to commercial grade LNG rather than refined LNG. This means no need for water salination, no need for refinery, no need for powerplant for the refinery, etc. It also means cheaper fuel for SpaceX and more readily available commercial fuel.
For everyone who is mad, what did you want? It’s disappointing how angry everyone is.
>>14569436he said that 3 years ago too
>>14569525Last one from me, biological resources mitigations are 9+ pages; so just the first here.
>>14569533Disbanded FAA, unlimited launch license
>>14569533I was gonna be angry no matter what, because that's what I chose beforehand :)
>>14569538No one cares about this shit FAA, I hate regulatory busy bodies
>>14569527So september.And then the FAA has to check that the mitigations have taken place, write reports, and give the OKAnd then, and only then, SpaceX can apply for launches.NO. LAUNCHES. THIS. YEAR.
>>14569513it's just not
>>14569531>LNGlurk more
>>14569533I don't want bureaucrats and politicians to ruin everythingA constitutional amendment that removes citizenship from elected officials political appointees and re-designates them as a nuisance species would be nice, too
>>14569545and then it blows up and it takes another decade to rebuild stage 0
>>14569545yeah, probably
>>14569541based angery anon
Fully reusable employee shuttles
>>14569550>elected officials and* political appointees
>>14569545Funny how they were able to launch shit left and right just a couple years ago, there seemed to be a lot less standing in the way on a daily basis then.
>>14569505>ayo gibsmedatI fucking hate buttgrug.
>>14569280GET FUCKED ESG
>>14569558See>>14569307
>>14569505>SpaceX will provide STEM based learning opportunitiesAre they a school now? That's retarded, they don't need to provide this shit, they make rockets.
>>14569547Why not you fucking piece of shit retard faggot nigger?
>>14569538>SpaceX would incorporate raptor protection measures into project design >raptorCan't let them get loose.Seriously, though, with all these mitigations, the site must end up being the cleanest in the USA.
For those spazing out about the 5 launches, this was know since early last year.
>>14569571>Are they a school now? That's retarded, they don't need to provide this shit, they make rockets.Gib reparishions nao.
Why do so many of the "shall" things in this have little or nothing to do with safety or environmental protection, why does it seem like every local member of every agency decided to do their best to stick their finger in the pie
>>14569579The only proper response is "fuck off". Starbase tours kind of make sense I guess but why's the FAA get to order a company to provide tours of itself? Again they should get told to fuck themselves.
>>14569571They're already partnering with Texas Universities for engineers and Boca students with highschool tours/engineering learning experience. They're already doing it. Most of the measures are things SpaceX already does and have incorporated it already. So its just officially made as part of the actions SpaceX has taken already to educate the greater community.
I guess the good news is that most of the mitigations require SpaceX saying>Uh ok sure lol
>>14569583because they did, cause that's what they always dothey showed immeasurable restraint in not straight up demanding SpaceX pay them bribes
>>14569583>why does it seem like every local member of every agency decided to do their best to stick their finger in the pielol fucking this, can't wait for someone to make a video pointing out all this decidedly non-environmental and safety bullshit terms forced on them
Astra stock is at $1.50.
>>14569577now its 5 launches only, not even developmental
>>14569584the tours are specifically for students of brownsville to educate them on the habitat
>>14569583stop being a conspiracy theorist
>>14569591We need CostPlusContent now more than ever.
>>14569594BUY BUY BUY FOMO NOW
>>14569533Doomposters shitposting =/= everyone is mad. The ESG Hound crowd took a massive L today.
>>14569589Bet you bribes would have been preferable, this is all meaningless busywork
>>14569595it's 5 suborbital and 5 orbital
>>14569598Where did he go, bros? I miss /ourguy/ ;~;
>>14569603they don't need suborbital anymore do theyso just 5 orbital, total, yearly.Almost not even worth it
>>14569600Everyone lost here today, all save the eternal jew whom only cares for suffering for sufferings sake
>SpaceX is still considering whether to use deluge water for the launch pad, but, in the event it will, it has decided that it will use truck water, rather than a desalination plant. A desalination plant is not in the reasonably foreseeable future.What the fuck what else are they gonna use if not water
>>14569603and those are the number SpaceX asked for, not mandated by the FAA>>14569605the test that they're planning that comes down near hawaii is suborbital. I don't think there are any concrete orbital test plans at the moment.
>>14569610>What the fuck what else are they gonna use if not waterNothing. You don't actually need a water deluge system if you design your pad for it.
>>14569573
>>14569606You are like a child. SpaceX could’ve gotten a full EIS. It was known they’d need mitigations with their FONSI anyways.
>Modified the Raptor engine and engine configuration. SpaceX increased the thrust of the Raptorengine; therefore, SpaceX has reduced the total number of engines. This change would notconstitute any discernable changes in environmental impacts. An increase from 61.7meganewtons (MN) to 74 MN would result in a less than 1 decibel change and would constitutea negligible change to the noise contours.lol ESG Hound thought he was being such a fucking genius pointing out how Raptor 2 is more powerful now and sound levels needs updating and in reality its just a 1db increase lmaoWhat a fucking retard, making mountains out of a molehill
>>14569622>another (((skeptic))) turns out to be a retardWhat a surprise
14569619and you're a blatant redditor that has no business being on this siteto claim that the vast ungodly spread of mitigations and extra paperwork fuckery was in any way legitimate is dishonest
>>14569629A lot of it is illegitimate dumbass, I’m just saying we should be happy with what we got. This isn’t a total win like HLS or something but it’s more like SN9 where it went ok-ish
I'm happy
>>14569629He's just as clueless as CSS, no wonder they teamed up, team sneed (formerly chucks)
>>14569622Did SpaceX actually decrease the number of engines though? They went from 29 on B4 to 33 on B7. Was there some intermediate design where they were planning on having over 40 Raptor 1s or something?
>>14569634FUCK YOU
Sierra Club's status>seething
>>14569637In 2019 and 2020 they wanted 37
>>1456963737 engines was the original proposed for booster. Prototype boosters have gone from 29-33. They have a margin.
>>14569629Concerned trolling is what these fucks do.
>>14569400How is this appropriate?Seems like extortionI want to buy a car, but the seller wants to fuck my wife or i cant buy it, lol
>>14569634me too :)
>>14569651>>14569636>>14569629Fuck you guys I’m just saying this is a good thing and you’re the one who want to complain and doompost about it.
>>14569634same
Somehow the FAA has found a way to make everyone mad
>>14569659Why are you sneeding me, don't feed me again, Chuck.
>>14569426These seem just so fucking random and outside the scope of what would be expected of any other company in other fieldsWhy dont mining companies have to do this? Upkeep some random ass historic site that haåpens to be near the site, or have some mandated commu ity outreach and toursWhat the fuck
>>14569438What is the fws?
weak
>>14569646>>14569647thnx anons
Come home, white man.
>>14569352>Where do I sign up to be SpaceX's official historian?Closest you'll get is probably https://www.spacex.com/careers/?department=Environmental%2520Health%2520and%2520SafetyYou *do* want to clean up after beetles for 60 hours a week, right?
>>14569684enough for now. either abandon site after this year or apply for eis immediatelydoomers will not make it
>>14569691Apparently sea launch needs it own approvals
>>14569684>>14569684I'm deducing the 5, 5, 10, and 5 are all minutes?
>>14569694LANDINGS too, this is so fucking cucked, regulations will hamper commercial spaceflight
>>14569695>I'm deducing the 5, 5, 10, and 5 are all minutes?
>>14569697>at sites not described in this document
>>14569533I rhought there would be like 5 general mitigations instead of this 20 page list with everything and anything possible they could come up with that have absolutely nothing to do with actually launching rocketsUpkeeping a historic site? School tours? Having to pay and provide a starlink to some random enviromental organization? What in the actual fuck is this
>>14569698They're the number of launches, retard.
>>14569695Smartest man on /sci/ who doesn’t post in /sfg/
>>14569705SpaceX must pay their tithes to the ESG mafia
Artemis missions need 12-16 Starship flights to work. Where will they launch from?
>>14569713the cape, as was always the plan
>>14569713It's over
>>14569707meant to reply to >>14569695of course
>>14569713Pretty sure artemis mission needs 100+ Starship flights to work. Its overtly complex
>all the cope already about SpaceX not needing the methane plant anymore being framed as victory for environmentalists and SpaceX lying and that they'll still need it and now they can't have it so Starship is dead
>>14569713You know they can apply to extend and expand operations at Starbase, right?
>>14569611> the test that they're planning that comes down near hawaii is suborbital. I don't think there are any concrete orbital test plans at the momentDidnt think about that, i wonder how the FAA defines an orbital flight?
How can they do this? This is outrageous, its unfair...
>>14569634Its a mixed bag
>>14569713Only 5 launches a year sweety, not my problem
>>14569722>"Alright... taking a breather here on SpaceX for a bit. All of the natural gas infrastructure, which was my primary focus from day one, is gone. Legal hurdles are bound to be numerous, so get your "Cope and seethes" in below. Post later this week with potential hurdles as I see em">so get your "Cope and seethes" in below
>>14569731Oh please, pretty much all of this shit is either short-term that can be done in like a month and the rest of it is long-term commitment crap like letting the high school tour the facility and giving money to different organizations. It's a lot of stuff, sure, but it isn't a lot stuff that is also very hard and will necessitate years long work.
>>14569712Fuck shit fuck aaaaaaaaaaaaa
>>14569705I know. I'm surprised there aren't stipulations for funding for 24/7/365 interpretive dance to raise awareness of the suffering of the neolithic aboriginal menstruating persons that once occupied these lands, or a similarly non-stop troop of booty shakers that would run in shifts ensuring that workers at Boca Chica have their thinking decolonised and their privilege checked by the spectacle of two dozen black asses twerking suggestively in perpetuity
All the spacex is finished fluff online specifically from fags like ESGhound is basically just an anti-musk demoralisation campaign carried out by oil and gas companies, legacy automakers, Bezos, and others. Buying into it makes you a faggot. Just look at ESGHound and how he frames his disagreements (he works for kinder morgan) and remember that ESG is and INVESTMENT guide.The reason it’s not more intense is that SpaceX isn’t publicly traded. Look at the massive disinformation and demoralisation against Tesla and electric cars and now even solar panels.
>>14569724They can, but I imagine it would take forever to get approval.
>>14569698>>14569707>>14569708hehehe
>>14569741Its extortion and beyond what the FAA should be able to mandateWhy dont they just say elon has to suck their dick amd donate 10mil to each FAA employee? WtfThese things might be easy but it still seems like massive overreach
>>14569744> two dozen black asses twerking suggestively in perpetuityI need to work at Starbase ASAP
it's 10 launches a year
>>14569757cope
>>14569744In 10 years with the currwnt trajectory there very well might have
>>14569753It’s essentially how the FAA is getting the other groups to shut up and let it happen. Notice how the handouts and time and little bullshit is going through other organisations?
>>14569761US is going to be a failed state in 10 years with the current trajectory
Any beetle specific regulations? Asking for a friend.
>>14569753I doubt Elon gives a shit. This is just the pound of flesh that the FAA wants. I am of the mind that he'll want to get more launches in at Starbase sooner rather than later, and so throwing a hissy fit over shit that is this inconsequential is probably not the smart move. All he's gotta do is take a knee and let his minions take smooth all of these things out for him.
>>14569763I doubt they will shut up, as the point is to delay and hinder spacex and elon, not some conservation of birds
>>14569768no, the word "beetle" doesn't even show up
>>14569769Yeah, still aggravating
>>14569773Beetlebros.... I...
SpaceX should just move their launches to Mexico.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGQbAcDYisAAre you autistic enough to be this excited?
>>14569770TardMiss when this general was majority engineers and at least enthusiasts and not mostly /pol/ washouts using shilling for spaceflight to give their sad lives meaning
>>14569782They’re going to launch ICBMs at Mexico after they cut off power to my house and force me to eat shit
>>14569782elon would unironically be assassinated by the CIA if he tried to move his rocket program to another country
>>14569783>spacex roastie girl.jpgftfy, women are a plague and I cannot wait for the day robots replace f*moids
>>14567794>why yes, a 20% success rate is good
>>14569773I'm genuinely sad about this ;_;
>>14569783That "girl" is just trying to make money, at one point she was covering the progress of Nikola before normies finally realized it was a scam and Trevor Milton was arrested for fraud.
>>14569810Lot of big shots were conned. Even GM was conned.
Is astranon ok? Do you still have a job?
>>14569713Their SSSH Cape Canaveral site they've been building. Chill
Would SpaceX have anything to gain from doing a suborbital flight of a Superheavy alone with 5-10 engines to test the launch mount, clamps, etc? Also Raptor 2 has zero flight data
Reminder, SpaceX will build out two of the oil rigs for launch AND catching capability. So they can launch hundreds more from just 5-10 miles away.
I doubt oil rigs will be finished before the factory and launch site at Cape.
>>14569825No.
Expect the water deluge system to be scraped kek
>>14569825Don't need flight data, also controlling Starship is more difficult than controlling the Booster during return due to the Booster having a much longer moment arm and simpler aerodynamic properties than Starship.
>>14569834water deluge systems for rocket launches are a scam by big hydro
>SpaceX will have their own Space Shuttle
People are saying that the vast majority of the mitigations are either already “in-progress” or are just as simple as SpaceX paying other people money. I do wonder what the big ones are?
>>14569852The big ones are just permits, which they're likely already working with those agencies. So they're probably a non issue.
>>14569852Probably the one where SpaceX literally has to write a book report about Texas history.
>>14569856That’s hilarious. This is arguably the most bizzare document approval ever
>>14569856Sounds like a job for interns.
>>14569852yeah vast majority seem to be super easy like paying 5k to environmentalist organizations, hiring a biologist or setting up some street signs big ones are obviously those that require additional permits and are out of their hands
In case you think I am full of shit: >Preparing a historical context report (i.e., historical narrative) of the historic events and activities of the Mexican War (1846–1848) and the Civil War (1861–1865) that took place in the geographic area associated with and including the Area of Potential Effects (APE).
>>14569834>>14569841Sound energy will worsen, effect will be worse on stage zero, SuperHeavy and the spectators and S. Padre Isle, in their autism to preserve the water salinity of the area, they will make it worse for everyone else (actual humans) and not the environmentMay a freshwater hurricane dump 100,000 gallons of fresh water across the wetlands there so it will never be saline again.
>>14569866Wow... a ten slide power point. SpaceX is done, there's no more 5th graders to hire to write a school report!
>>14569306They already filed for this over a year ago. They've got the plans and everything with the corps of engineers.
>>14569652Welcome to what environmentalism really is: grifters looking for handouts.
I wonder how long the environmental review will take when trying to launch from the oil rigs, I just hope they don't limit the number of launches, otherwise there'll be no other place on this planet to launch from.
>>14568979linearly
>>14569885at that point dropping roggs on DC would be the only reasonable choice
>>14569885I honestly think it’ll be an EIS
>>14567542>Astra - Rocket 3.3: SLC-46, Florida. TROPICS 3 + 4. NASA CubeSat constellation, flight attempt #2.On hold until investigations is done
>>14569885Not sure what sort of environmental review could be done with the oil rigs since they'll be in international waters. On the border, of course, but still international.
https://mobile.twitter.com/FAANews/status/1536415607460986880> The FAA will require @SpaceX to take steps that reduce beach and park closures, and to protect fish, wildlife, plants and other environmental resources in Boca Chica TX. #FAASpace
I’m assessing the environment.
>>14569899Yes, they outline what those are in the report. It's a nothing burger.
Is it normal for a company to have to do so much stuff or is this a special case
>>14569906Normal-ish.
>>14569906It is when they decide to build in the worst place possible
>>14569903I wonder how writing a school report about some battle that took place 200 years ago is going to help wildlife, lmao
>>14569906Its a private company effort to make a space port, so its different from a NASA/Federal owned launch site.
>>14569910Where the fuck else were they supposed to build, you loon. Fucking Arizona?
>>14569899>reduce beach and park closuresand>protect fish, wildlife, plants and other environmental resourcescontradict each other, it's like they don't even know what they want
>>14569910There are no better place. Florida's launch site is threatned by NASA's need for ISS launch capability and delays regarding other launch providers.California cant launch east into the populated area.
>>14569906I don't know about other environmental reviews, but it's not like there are many experimental super-heavy class rocket development facilities out there. I'm sure a lot of stuff was pretty unique.
>>14569856Doesn't sound that bad.
>>14569914they probably could have gone a couple miles up the coast and found a spot without a nature preserve right next door
>>14569903>>14569899The holiday closures seem like complete nothingburger but there were two interesting things buried thereOne was that SpaceX will look into building a second route down to the beach to avoid normal operations causing closuresTwo was that from labor day to Memorial Day they can’t close the access during the weekend - though 5 times a year they can ask to and then cancel that request within 24hrs notice and not lose one of those 5 weekend closures
>>14569749They'd better fucking start now, then
>>14569915The "reduced closures" thing just means the beaches need to stay open for national holidays.
>>14569923They literally couldn’t have. I know you’re trolling but it’s always shocking to me that people push this narrative when they picked literally the only part of the Texas coast where they could have done this
>>14569926elon isn't tweeting so
>>14569925>One was that SpaceX will look into building a second route down to the beach to avoid normal operations causing closuresThis is a good thing and I am glad that the FAA are finally making them do it. It should have been done like two years ago when the locals started complaining. Building a road that isn't going to see heavy industry on it is basically nothing in the grand scheme of things.
>>14569906Pretty normal actually for the sizet. knows an environmental lawyerThe fundamental idea is that you're allowed to do things people don't llike if you're willing to offset them. For example, SpaceX is allowed to say>Trying to make the mother of all omelets Jack, can't worry about every (turtle) eggGiven that they prove that they're making reasonable accomodations and provide monetary compensation for whatever damage they're causing.I'm middle of the road on how long this takes, we may not see a launch this year, but it could be very early next year. Who knows. I kind of expected worse but this is still isn't perfect, wetlands may be a relatively big deal.>>14569932Arguably the only place in the world they could have built the launch site. It has to be in America for national security reasons, and there's nowhere else other than Florida with a clear shot to the east over water and a southerly latitude.
>>14569938If you’re talking about the 404 thing apparently that only matters if they build the deluge system
>>14569938>wetlands may be a relatively big deal.A couple of people here have said that they got ahead of the wetlands thing and did all the paperwork last year and now are working with engineers to put the plan into motion.
>>14569932source on that? Seems like there's plenty of coast that doesn't have nature preserves nearby
>>14569923we have nature preserves all up and down the texas coast, i can think of upwards of a dozen in my area alone
SpaceX should just make a Boring Tunnel and dig from South Padre to the beach. Or just offer some ferrying capabilities. That way access to beach is still there and road closures are mitigated.
>>14569901How many Sieverts to clear a wetland of all plant and animal life?
>>14569343Devilishly worded
>>14569899Beetlebros....We won!
>>14569945That map doesn’t show that every mile of coast north of BC has an inhabited island just off the coast lmao. Look at a more detailed map, BC is the first point without a barrier island and they’re all populated and/or nature reserves
>>14569914Duluth, of course. It is the /sfg/-approved american spaceport.
>>14569894I would not expect us to return to flight this month. LV0011 is still in the factory.
>>14569935MUH WETLANDS NOOOOOOO
>>14569960>usAstranon....how do you feel about the failure?
>>14569960Astraanon I think your CEO should be shot and your assets auctioned off.
>>14569945The area also has to be uninhabited.
>>14569961>environmentalists DEMAND a review for muh beetles>review determines that the beetles must be destroyed by law
>>14569961At least pretend to know what people are talking about before you reply to a post
>>14569885launch from international waters, checkmate.
>>14569960It was funny the Get Woke Go Boom Astra meme but now i fell bad for Anon. I guess you are fairly smart if you are working in space related stuff, so things will get better eventually.
>>14569971you still need to get FAA approval
https://twitter.com/ESGhound/status/1536429514527588353>Alright... taking a breather here on SpaceX for a bit. All of the natural gas infrastructure, which was my primary focus from day one, is gone. Legal hurdles are bound to be numerous, so get your "Cope and seethes" in below. Post later this week with potential hurdles as I see emkek, he won't give up
WHEN LAUNCH LICENSE?
>>14569962I'm still mad. There's some stupid fucking issue with the upper stage fuel system and if they can't find and fix it we're hosed because the Rocket 4 upper stage is basically the same thing but scaled up a bit.
>>14569978Astra anon when you lose your job because astra folds what are you gonna do?
>>14569535No
>>14569976Who even is this?
guys i am elated. the whole document is a nothingburger timeline-wise.we gon' make it
In theory, I have to wonder if SpaceX would get in trouble if SuperHeavy was topped off enough to get Starship to get the entire stack to 20km, where it stages and then Starship burns the rest of the way to orbit to do payload delivery and back down--and if that would then violate the proposed launch #s. 5 launches otherwise is still 500 Starlink Gen2 satellites to LEO. Falcon 9 can do 25T to LEO. By mass volume grading, that's a mere 20 Gen2 sats per launch (ignoring that they can't fit inside the fairing at all for a moment). That means it would take them 25 Falcon 9 launches to get the same upload capacity as 5 test Starship launches assuming full success on each launch. But let's assume only 3 of the 5 are successful, so 300 Gen2s to orbit. That's still... the equivalent of 15 Falcon 9 launches offset. Plus, the monetary gain of those 300 Gen2s with them being 10x on average better than Gen1 is pretty big. It may delay some things in Boca Chica by 1-2 years, but 300 Gen2s could easily buy that 1-2 year delay in revenue from those new satellites.Right now the biggest threat to SpaceX is that while its worth a lot, its not in control of its own destiny. It still has to periodically raise money, unlike Tesla which now has over $18Bn in cash/cash equivalents on hand and <$100M debt on books despite being worth $700Bn+ in the market. They never ever have to raise any money again and are free from market effects. End of 2022, they'll have ~$30-32Bn in cash/cash equivalents, end of 2023 they're expected to have ~$45-48Bn cash/cash equivalents, and so on.Until SpaceX reaches that point, and the way they get there is through Starlink profitability, there'll always be a sword of Domacales over their head. But once they can break away from needing to raise money and be fully self-sufficient with exponential increases in cash on hand YoY, then we can truly see some absolutely crazy shit come out of SpaceX. They're still playing the game rather conservatively I think.
>>14569989Oil & Gas shill, TSLAQ fag
>>14569990it's 2 or 3 months
>>14569978Imagine fucking up a pressure fed engine.
>>14569989Eric Roesch
>>14569629they're gaslighting lowlifes
Any anons feeling risky and gonna buy the Astra dip? For some reason despite an 8/10 failure rate I feel like they could pull through.
>>14569978Maybe your employer should spend less time putting a flag on the pad, and focus more on the issues that matter.
>>14570003I might buy a bit and gamble on them succeeding on the next two tropics and then sell immediately afterIt’s a When not If question on the company going under
>>14570003never bet on virtue signallingalways bet on vice
>>14570003if you choose to do so, follow the iron clad rule of tradingNever bet what you can't afford to lose
>>14570003It could be worth throwing in ten bucks for the laughs.Like betting on the ponies, you don't really go in expecting to win but having some skin in the game makes it way more fun.I'd really like an /sfg/ prediction market, half of you say the absolute dumbest shit and it'd nice to force people to publically lock in their predictions.
They're still mad about SN11 lmao>have 15,000 good acres>sperg out like retards about 20 acres mildly disturbed
>>14570016Oh, I thought the iron clad rule wasAlways bet the same as the guys controlling the prices
>>14569945So you're suggesting that they launch between Corpus Christi and Houston? Even that area is too northern and mid-inclination launches would massive dogleg maneuver to avoid overflying Florida. Boca Chica is already less than ideal as a launch site but they have few options without leaving the country. >>14570019Go back
>>14570019Surely it’s legal to bet on this kind of thing. It would be really fun to run through a betting hall
I like environmental and historical site laws. HIstorical sites and the environment should be protected for future generations.But why the fuck do they have to twist everything with blatant overreach. When we say that there should be environmental laws forbidding companies from destroying nature wholesale, it doesn't mean holding the progress of Starship over fucking beetles and water salinity. Fucking earthers man. All these special interest groups are using this to get their gibs.
>>14570003>he bought?
>>14570019If you really want to pretend to be Japanese, you should jump off a building, jump in front of an express train or cut your fucking guts out with a knife. If you get someone else to post pics of the results you'll get all the positive attention you always craved.
>>14570035Relax
>>14570029>that captchakek
>>14570028It isn't, funny money only because the US is run by babies. I'd be fine with a paper market since at this scale the number of predictions is more important and I can't see a cash market working, but of course if you're not using money you're not really playing.Metaculus exists I guess but it kind of sucks.Or manifold, maybe.
Oh shit it's really gonna happen.
>>14570035you seem sane
>>14570043They should just put up nesting boxes in places away from their base so birds are deferred there.
>>14570035
>>14570035Most sane anti
1/3 of a full thing, here's a quick look at about Luna 1 and Pioneer IV in the midst on 1959.In the image are future spaceships which were expected to be developed by the US.https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1HiP2AK5tB3BZUcPtSNJwV6Pfgel-QGnk?usp=sharing>Above we have averted the curtain of the future and taken a peek at what space rockets of the near future will look like. The first on the left "Scout" (18,000 kN thrust) uses solid propellants, which may significantly lower its cost. Perhaps as soon as 1962, the 3-stage giant "Saturn", which has a first stage thrust of 800,000 kN, and which may be able to take supplies to the first researchers on the Moon. The next step has only single-chamber, though it is equally powerful, which in 1970 will be developed to be the multichambered, 3,000,000 kN "Vega" rocket (second from the right). Around 1970 we may have the first ion-spraying engine, which as the final frontier in space propulsion can take spacecraft to the edges of our solar system (third from the right). Nuclear rockets, which utilize uranium as their reactors' fuel, should be ready around 1975 to carry payloads which other rocket types can't.
>>14570035>t.
https://www.faa.gov/sites/faa.gov/files/2022-06/Appendix_I_Responses_to_PublicComments_0.pdfThe majority of the public comments submitted during the public comment period were non‐substantive comments (i.e., comments that expressed a non‐substantive personal preference oropinion not tied to aI‐1specific topic) or non‐germane comments (i.e., comments outside the scope of the Proposed Action). TheFAA acknowledges all comments received and thanks the commenters for their input
>>14570009Yeah that's the sad reality of it. The vision is good but the management just isn't there.>>14570016Of course, anon.>>14570019I mean it's a buck a share, not gonna lose much. That's also a cool idea.>>14570031Waiting before the next launch.
>Placing temporary construction barriers around the Palmetto Pilings Historical Marker during construction.kek
>>14570074CCS BTFO
>>14570083but also all the supporters
>>14570035Japan's suicide rate is lower than the USA's
>>14570086Are you really going to derail the thread over this
MUH OZONE LAYERMUH CLIMATE CHANGEMUH METHANEAll BTFO you love to see it
>>14570041so orbital launches == launches with superheavy?according to this the first full stack launch would be orbital as well even if starship doesnt technically complete a full orbit
So uh... when will starship do an orbital test?
>>14570090He's a deranged faggot so probably.
>>14569856lmao
>>14570099Reminds me of when Concorde got tons of mail form concerned citizens because their jets flew in the lower parts of the ozone layer and the hole in the ozone layer was just discovered
The FAA report both pisses on SpaceX and then steps in to defend them at random intervals.
>>14570099Wait they published responses to specific comments?
>>14570035Most based poster on /sci/
>>14569959Unfathomably based, when are we sending more scouts?
Why don't Air Force or Space Force step in and demand that SpaceX needs a launch licence because of national security reasons? They definitely want the capabilities that Starship offers.
>>14570111
>>14570077I hope they just build a cuck box around it and leave it there
>>14570041Do I misremember or was Elon saying orbital or bust earlier?
>>14570115DoT is part of the executive branch and the military has no authority over it whatsoever
>>14570119Lmao they basically talk directly to Roesch >Chapter 2 of the PEA describes the Proposed Action, including the number of annual launch operations as proposed by SpaceX. The Proposed Action does not include a gas pipeline. In response to public comments and other corporate decisions, SpaceX revisited and refined its proposed launch‐related infrastructure elements tied to the Proposed Action. SpaceX is no longer proposing a desalination plant, natural gas pretreatment system, liquefier, or power plant. The desalination plant was included in the draft PEA because it would be used to facilitate deluge for the launch pad. SpaceX is still considering whether to use deluge water for the launch pad, but, in the event it will, it has decided that it will truck in water, as described in the PEA. SpaceX no longer needs the natural gas pretreatment system and liquefier due to advances in the design and capabilities of SpaceX’s Raptor engines. Previously, additional refinement of methane to purer levels than commercially available was anticipated to be needed. However, as a result of engine advances, SpaceX can rely on commercially available methane without refinement. Accordingly, the natural gas pretreatment system and liquefier are no longer proposed. Because the desalination plant, natural gas pretreatment system, and liquefier are no longer proposedThere was never a pipeline
>>14570133>>There was never a pipelinetypical FUD
>>14570115They might have said something. SpaceX has a FONSI, not a EIS
>All natural gas needed for the Proposed Action would be delivered by truck. This information was added to PEA Chapter 2 and Section 3.14. SpaceX is not proposing to install a pipeline, transport natural gas to the launch site via a pipeline, or drill wells to extract natural gas.
>As noted in the response in Section H, Cultural Resources, the FAA has reached out to theCarrizo/Comecrudo Tribe of Texas. The FAA has not received a response from the tribe.>As noted in Section 3.1 of the PEA, because of the proximity of the VLA to the U.S./Mexico border, theFAA considered the potential for transboundary impacts and consulted the Mexican governmentthrough the State Department. The FAA did not receive any comments from the Mexican governmentregarding the environmental review.They don't care, only FUDders care
AMAZING just look at how the clickbait sensation seeking media tried to weasel the words to make it look like FAA did not grant SpaceX authority to build the towers vs. what that statement ACTUALLY means
>>14569885How would approval work if it's launched from something mobile? Get separate reviews for specific regions of water? I imagine trying to get 10 different ones at the same time would slow some things down, but each would have fewer potential problems than one large one covering all of those areas.
>>14570161>>14570171>>14570156Lol. Lmao
schizoposters BTFO
Lots of luck on his trip to the Moon
>>14570185Got a great idea for the next OP kek
>>14569978They will hopefully find out the problems. You just gotta do the best of what you can and trust the engineers to actually be useful. You are going to make it, anon!
https://twitter.com/Neo_EimajOzear/status/1536462858774401024> In light of the exciting news of the mitigated FONSI, here is the (normalised) performance of the Starship stack to each inclination from 26° North with and without azimuth restrictions. Approximate Starlink v2 inclinations are noted.
>>14569983Starship MK3 will fly to orbit in December 2019
>>14570219What land? Africa?
>>14570203can i get a hint pl0x
https://www.faa.gov/sites/faa.gov/files/2022-06/AppendixG_ExhaustPlumeCalculations.pdfRaptor 2
https://www.faa.gov/sites/faa.gov/files/2022-06/AppendixB_NoiseAssessment.pdf this shit will be loud
>>14570223iirc he said in 6 months on the sept. 2019 presentation. Idk he's been saying it's in a few months for like 2 and a half years.
>>14570232MY LAND
> SpaceX raises $1,684,965,520 in latest equity roundhttps://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/0001181412/000118141222000001/xslFormDX01/primary_doc.xml
>>14570255ONE TRILLION DOLL-oh wait
Can our rocket/oil rig survive in hurricane season?
>>14570255wtf bros I thought Felon Huskrat was finished
>>14570264Wind with no debris vs stationary vessel.Yeah I think it’ll be fine.
https://spacenews.com/faa-environmental-review-to-allow-starship-orbital-launches-after-changes/>Environmental groups remain concerned about the impacts of Starship launches from Boca Chica. >“We are disappointed in this decision, but surely Elon Musk and his team don’t actually want to harm endangered species,” said Mike Parr, president of the American Bird ConservancyCry more LMAO
>>14570264yeah, gulf rigs were designed to not give a fuck about even the worst hurricanes, and SpaceX will only be making it tankier to handle Superheavy
>>14570286I'm worried more about the Starship rather than the oil rig
>>14570171All journalist's names should be quietly added to the list. You know the one.
>>14570280>Surely Elon Musk and his team don't actually want to harm endangered species
>>14569783Different one
>>14570280>but surely Elon Musk and his team don’t actually want to harm endangered specieswronghttps://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-spacex-mars-longtermism-baby-sea-turtles-2022-3>Elon Musk, SpaceX Want to Kill Baby Sea Turtles to Get to Mars
>>14570280It’s almost like…SpaceX doesn’t want to harm wildlife…holy shit
>>14570291he didn't initially but if these envirocucks keep fucking bitching and trying to sabotage his efforts he might change his mind
>>14570171>>14570290>FAA could order SpaceX to take down integration towerhttps://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/14/faa-warns-spacex-it-has-not-approved-new-texas-launch-site-tower.htmlhttps://www.businessinsider.com/spacex-boca-chica-starship-launch-tower-faa-environmental-review-texas-2021-7https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/faa-warns-spacex-it-has-not-approved-new-texas-launch-site-tower-2021-07-14/https://www.independent.co.uk/space/elon-musk-spacex-starship-faa-b1884781.htmlLook at these disingenuous cunts, desperate for clicks and to make Musk look bad by extension, not caring about the truth.
>>14568826>For length you can just combine shorter modules that have a large docking port.That's obtuse and unwieldy.
WE GONNA MAKE IT
>>14570291Assuming direct control.The beetles will be harvested.
>>14570280>but surely Elon Musk and his team don’t actually want to harm endangered species
I don’t think B7 and S24 would be ready for launch until August. Wonder how that lines up with regulations.I think it’s very possible B7 or S24 end up getting replaced, too. Something might go wrong or SpaceX might have a new vehicle ready.
hop when?
>>14570298that's just jews, anonbeing incapable of honesty is their defining characteristic
We gon' make it
Starlink for Hawaii Airlines
The environmental review has been finished for a couple of hours now, why hasn't Starship launched already? I thought they were ready
>>14570312Backside
>>14570314It takes time to fill the tanks with crushed beetles
>>14570314Tldr spacex has to publish an essay on Texan history and put up bird boxes outside their base before they can launch their rocket.
>>14570314We've had bureaucratic breafast yes, but what about second breakfast?
>>14570312>>14570318This was in Germany's aviation conference.500 Mb Down40 Mb UpPeak power of 400W (probably avg of 100-200W)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hb8L-NNJqzYSpaceX influence on Brownsville
>>14570309>doesn't show the booster landing on jeff who's house
Turns out beetles were just a meme, the real enemies were the turtles.
Okay - which one you fucking faggots just tried to claim that the US stole the interior design for the ISS modules from the Russians on /tv/? I know it was someone here. You deserve to be thrown into a thresher for your insane Russiaboo bullshit.
>>14570341Two weeks anonThe ISS is coming down in two weeks
>>14570339Turtles aren't a problem. What the FAA is asking to be done is what happens at almost every public beach because you can't trust Chinese people to not steal the eggs and try to ship them back with them to China. No, I am not joking. t. man who has beachfront property.
You're up, SLS
>>14570347I'm not surprised at the chinamen, but I am disappointedare mainlanders even capable of being civilized? all signs point towards no
>>14570356Thank god these faggots aren't making it into space.
>>14570341I don't know what you're talking about? All I know is that the chinks stole Russian module designs for their space station modules however.Though there was a lot of technology transfer between Russia to the US in terms of long lasting space habitats after the fall of the USSR since the Soviets had far more experience in that technology at the time. I wouldn't be surprised if some of the US modules were designed with that in origin and mind.
I’m a bit disappointed with how many mitigations there are. Can someone sugarcoat this?
I don't have any proof and it isn't very interesting anyway but I have no one else to share it with, I met bill nelson on the street today, which I didn't expect since I live in Britain.
>>14570367>didn't try to kill himYou could've saved us and ended SLS then and there anon. Why didn't you do it? Why can't be brits ever be trusted to follow through?
>>14570367I bet that felt like seeing George Lucas in the background of the thorium reactor documentary.
>>14570367Did you wish him good luck on his trip to the British Isles?
>>14570312
Didn’t Astra have a tribute to some dead lady on their stream yesterday? Lmao
>>14570341https://archive.4plebs.org/tv/thread/169555726/#169556401You mean this thread?Looking through it the other anon is right. The tianhe core module on Tiangong is just a revamped Soviet MIR core module. It's not really a secret wew. Has nothing to do with the Destiny module.
>>14570379They are arguing about the interior of the module. The first Anon points out that the Chinese interior is a copy of Destiny, and then that second Anon starts saying it's a copy of DOS-8 despite looking extremely different.
>>14568832Pat Rawlings arthttp://www.patrawlings.com/default.cfm
>>14570363Most of the mitigations are insanely easy to complete, aside from the inspection and closure for school field trip bullshit. An example is that spacex can set up brooding boxes for birds fucking far away from their starbase, such that no birds would ever set up underneath a rocket. Spacex can also publish the history essay in a few days, since they can induct any random historian into spacex for chump change.
>>14570371it felt exactly like that>>14570370>>14570372he was surrounded by a bunch of people and I didn't get a chance to talk to him but I would've absolutely hit him with a cheeky "when's sls launching?"
>>14570363not much to sugarcoatits the bullshit games everyone expectedmost of them are a nothingburger that SpaceX can do easily if they aren't already doing it, and the bullshit ones they'll sue over to get rid ofthey still have the same 5 launch cap as in the beginning, they'll push to increase it once they start actually launching
>>14570387>The chinese copied American ISS modules and shrank them to fit their shitty rockets. I'm not joking sadly enough. It's literally a direct copy that isn't working correctly. if you need I can dig up some pictures of the module cleanDoesn't sound like it. He's making shit up here afterall. If anything they even kept that weird design choice of the Soviet core module (getting a smaller diameter halfway through to fit into Proton) despite the Long March 5B's fairing being more than big enough not to require this.
>>14570379>mir 2 electric boogalooOh boy I can’t wait for the changs to turn their heavenly palace into a hellish toilet filled with fungus and hepatitis.
>>14570397Have the chinks even copied anything in terms of soace hardware from the US yet? They basically got everything handed to them on a silver plate when the USSR fell so I'm not sure if they have felt the need for that yet.
>>14570286>>14570289Can't they just make it like a typical missile silo where it gets stored under a trapdoor until they are ready for launch?
>>14570416Possibly storing inside hanger bay.
>>14570419Yeah that's basically what I had in mind. Like a very narrow enclosed High Bay under the actual rig
>>14570363NASA has to do the same things at KSCThere's a museum at the visitor's center for the history of the area that sounds eerily similar to the requirement the FAA gave them, and it includes details on what NASA does to preserve the wildlife and recreational opportunities in the area
How many lummens you need to go light speed???Did arca already ate the market or what?
>>14570416I second this, they should create a silo similar to the Satan rocket where it is shot up into the sky prior to booster ignition.
>>14570363>write report paper on mexican-texas war>monitor area>fund program to get more students interested in Starbase>use starlink to help monitor the area>blah blah blahThey are just non-issues.
>>14570263$1.68 cubic kilodollars
orbit when
>>14570442Unironically three more months.
>>145704421.4 decidays
>>14570431>category 4 storm inbound, all crew head below deck immediately>superheavy descends into centerActually kino
>>14570445godddd, this never ends, I've been blueballed for years already, this shit will never fucking launch, I can't take it anymoreeee ahhhhhhhh
>>14570445>>14570454Any chance granting a license for launch doesn't take another entire month like previously thought?
reminder that topol-m is the most kino sounding launch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIzXI-mlJjs
>>14570458Yeah, there is a chance it’ll take half the time for mitigation: two more weeks minimum. It takes time to complete the little bullshit tasks that the FAA gave them. At least now the ball is in spacex’s court.
>>14570462>explosion explosion explosion BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRrrrrrrrrr...
>>14570442Gotta do permits now and the license.
>>14570445If it's true, how many /sfg/ bros will I see when I visit?
>>14570462>Russian SRBsCursed
>>14570453This timeline keeps getting better, we're quickly accelerating into the Metal Gear timeline. Next thing we know, Musk will have stationary Mexican Gulf ocean fortresses, and all staff will be raised from childhood in Boca Chica to operate the automated offshore rocket launch complexes.
>>14570255IPO when? I would dump all my money on SpaceX
I find and smash every last turtle egg on that beach
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_jqf1DzZgEStarlink on a boat.
>>14570494Spacex going public would be potentially disastrous
>>>/pol/382237876so the anime faggot is a german autist
>>14570494>a private company that is passionate for a goal that is not just simply make more profit>turn it into a public company where it would be legally required to focus solely on making more profit for its shareholders above all elseare you retarded?
obligatory reminder that all anti-anime posters are redditors trying to start their infestationBurn them out
>>14570514>posts the same pedo garbage all over the place>m-muh reddit
>>14570494>SpaceX IPO2030>Starlink UPO2025
>>14570511I just want money
>>14570522Buy more ASTR, simple as
>1000 postsYou guys told me /sfg/ was dead
imagine willingly giving schizos (you)s
>>14570529/sfg/ is only dead when nothing is happening. If /sfg/ is dead, then nothing is happening. You may look around and THINK that you see something happening, but if you check /sfg/ and it's dead, you're wrong.
>50 word book report on texas history due tomorrow>still shitposting on 4chan
>>14570486>>14570462>>14570469It sounds like the fucking end of the world, and for good reason.
>>14570538>t. SpaceX
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dUkNsYps6oo
>>14570538Elon... Please stop playing Elden Ring the future of humanity depends on this essay...
>>14570314i dont know...
How long has it been since SFG broke 1k posts before page 10.
>>14570619I want to say full stack #2 or the Kodiak Drift
>>14570619since the last shit blizzard
>>145706192 weeks ago
yeah this shit dead af
>>14570619Probably around DM-2 or Crew 1 launch
>>14570496Don't they relocate all the turtle eggs anyhow because that was already a shit beach to swim out from?
https://twitter.com/jeff_foust/status/1536474040113954817>NASA says they’re targeting no earlier than July 11 for the SpaceX CRS-25 cargo mission, after tracing elevated hydrazine readings in the spacecraft’s propulsion system to a Draco thruster valve inlet joint.ogre
I love turtles and tortoises so much bros...They are so CUTE! They are the one reason I'd want a launch to be delayed IF it was recorded to disturb their egg laying and hatching.
>>14570637>Valve issueHow the turn tables have..
>>14570640Jeb?
>>14570640i eat turtlesyum yum they are very tasy
>>14570640>catch a turtle while its laying eggs>masturbate real quick>spray your sperm all over the turtle eggsShit bricks
>>14570637>an entire month+ to replace a valveits fucking over
>SpaceX has a valve issuetwo weeks>Boeing has a valve issueOver half a year delay and a new service module.
Reminderhttps://twitter.com/JimFree/status/1536411604098682881>Tomorrow is the last day to submit your name to ride aboard @NASA_Orion on #Artemis I. Fly beyond the Moon with us by getting your free boarding pass here: http://nasa.gov/wearegoing
>>14570653sent ;)
>>14570652Crazy how hydrazine be like that
>>14570644I've heard turtles or at least tortoises have the most delicious meat of all creatures. Martian tortoise farms when?
>>14570653>>14570685very cool
>>14570637FLANGES
>>14570692Not even a word filter lmao
>>14570699>>14570692Language.
>>14570699Good song actually
page 10 when
>>14570700What do you mean? I used my real name.Here's my LinkedIn profile: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nate-higgers-82a668181
Is civil war history the environment
>>14570703I already have the new thread lined up and ready to post, waiting on page 10.
>>14570706Same.
Let's be very honest again
>>14570711This implies you haven't been honest until now.
>>14570377Astra behaves like a FAGMAN corporation where his results are embarrassing. I think is some kind of divine punishment, i bet when they stop that bullshit things will improve almost magically.
>>14570711We don't have a commercially available heavy lift vehicle.
>>14570507Tbf im not him, but i post that pic sometimes because i like the mood of it, and I dont watch anime either.
>>14570518if you dont wanna fuck kids, there's something seriously wrong with you
>>14570653yawn, my name is on mars
no schizo posting next thread please :)
>>14570507so the schizo is a /pol/tard
>>14570737No promises are made :)
>Go outside, touching grass>Meet a guy who's working on the shipping container for the Europa clipper mission>Sets me up to grab some exclusive missions t-shirtsGo outside anons, you meet cool space people
>>14570750Based. Pretty sure I met some backup astronauts for crew-4 once near the space center in Houston
Stainless
>>14570653I don't want my name getting tainted by the SLS
>>14570768Heh, taint
>>14570773Huh huh huh, you said 'taint'
>>14570782>>14570782>>14570782>>14570782>>14570782
>>14570762I was reading up on how much it cost to make one of those and came across an account of how they were built by regular dudes who bent the panels themselves
>>14570371I've watched every version of that doc including the 7 hour one
>>14569571>Texas Institute of Technology and Science