/sci/ - Science & Math

We are gonna make it

ACTUALLY we are not going to make it

Guys from Marshall touring Starbase

>>14561283
It's been a while, what's the latest on launching from Texas? FAA still dragging their feet?

They still haven't stopped losing tiles. It's over.

>>14561315
2 DAYS
TRUST THE PLAN

>>14561297
>Worried

>>14561336
No one trusts the FAA.

>>14561315
We wait two weeks before we wait two weeks and then we wait two more.

>>14561353
I only trust 10 letter agencies. Any fewer letters than that means they must be idiots.

Can you guys give me an example of a talk/interview Elon has done where he actually sounds like he understands rocketry? Something that makes you go, "Oh - okay, this guy isn't just a stuttering retard."

>>14561389
Watch his Tim Dodd Starbase tours from last year. Homie is smart

>>14561389
nobody cares about your /v/ discussion. you have to go back

>>14561393
Why the fuck would I post on /v/? Why would anyone ever post on /v/ except for the stealth porn threads?

>>14561389
he's an autist he always sounds like a stuttering retard but the interviews with everyday astronaut and zubrin are alright

The Day of the Rock is coming, earthers

We
Are
Going

>>14561406
Back
To
The
VAB
Again

>>14561412
this is why we test stop being so judgmental all nasa facilities are just trying to get scientific results you conspiritard

The future of space flight is American

>>14561432
Wtf is bottom right?

>>14561433
Spinlaunch, they can shoot rockets into space by spinning them super fast

https://www.spinlaunch.com/

>>14561435
put me in coach. i'm ready

>>14561432
>BO
>Spaceflight

>>14561432
How do you make these?

>>14561448
An app called InShot

>fucking 80% likelihood of a weather scrub on Sunday as of this morning
THANKS, FLORIDA

Bros I got into a heated argument. It all when I said that rocket engines are heat engines and the heating of the gas inside the combustion chamber is essential to having high pressure in the combustion chamber. But they told me they know a little more about rocket engines than I and that the pumps create the high pressure. Idk what to do bros

>>14561432
Even worse than the normal collages

>>14561432
>>14561448
>>14561459

We
are
going

>>14561479
Using https://github.com/hanzhi713/image-collage-maker/releases/tag/v4.2

For windows/mac/loonix

>>14561469
rocket engines are not heat engines

what's the prefect vehicle system for orbit? if you say something about splitting atoms don't reply at me

>>14561493
Perfect vehicle is one that can lift the highest payload, for the cheapest and the most frequently launched with the highest reliability.

Right now, if there's a perfect, its Falcon 9. Once we get Starship, it will be Starship. No other vehicle fits this category since F9 entered service. Before F9, it was the shuttle.

>>14561469
The pressure comes from the pumps and the pump power comes from heating the prop somehow

>>14561297
slick looking booster

>>14561498
before f9 it was atlas v

>>14561517
Next you'll say 380 million per launch is cheap.

>>14561490
All engines are heat engines though

>>14561297
Check 'em.

>>14561297
>>14561513
Remember how crinkled the original water towers were?

>>14561546
Weren't they made of sheet metal instead of rolls?

>>14561283
So what did you guys think of the first episode

>>14561556
Still not watching the television series.
Still not getting the subscription.

>>14561546
Anyone got the original Starhopper picture, with the nose cone and a Starman standing in front?

>>14561554
Yeah they were like 1 inch thick steel or something lmao

bro this thing is smaller than one of the tents.
what are they doing?

>>14561563
It's insulated, so some sort of climate controlled facility.

>>14561560
Nobody here subscribes to shit dummy, you don't know how to watch things for free?

>>14561572
Oh maybe for payload integration. Would make sense that is needed first because they'll be launching Starlinks ASAP.

>>14561435
Those boomer fucks running them out of Hawaii was the most frustrating thing next to the mountain worshippers fighting TMT

>>14561286
I have PSTD that this will break in half. Someone cure me with explanation please

>>14561572
Payload processing maybe

>>14561464
Trying to launch in the summer in Florida is a constant gamble that you don't get thunderstormed out

>>14561584
calculations were performed

>>14561464
Nobody cares about BLM-Asstra anyway

>>14561584
Since the main direction of thrust is longitudinal anyway, it'd be shocking if anything ever happened to a rocket standing upright

They're designed to take much higher acceleration than 1G on that axis

>>14561584
It's a big rocket but it's okay, steel is big too
Murtaugh and Murtaugh

>>14561556

>>14561615

>>14561615
So the Elon-analog is a black man?

>>14561435
Spinlaunch is going to be like one of those goofy contraptions from the early days of powered flight that everyone makes fun of later.
Get ahead of the curve and make fun of it now.

>>14561631
To be fair in concept it's basically a mass driver just mechanical instead of magnetic

It'd probably work a lot better on, say, the moon

>>14561641
It relies on sub-millisecond timing of numerous mechanical interlocks, and if a single one of those is ever outside of an extremely tight tolerance range, the whole GSE structure is basically scrap.
On the moon, sure, it makes slightly more sense because there's no need for a vacuum chamber, but you could also just build a mass driver.

>>14561623
and no one is surprised

>>14561623
African-American man

>>14561653
I think getting the timing tight enough to always hit at least the exit is not so hard. They seem to be doing fine not destroying their prototype.

>>14561297
Link to these photos?

>>14561297
Is that the second highbay?

>>14561653
>but you could also just build a mass driver.
A linear mass driver requires kilometers of track and a fuckton of capacitors, which makes lunar construction a bigger headache. With Spinlaunch, you can dump your energy in slowly and you need less physical infrastructure. That said, Spinlaunch is no good for squishy payloads so a lunar mass driver will need to be built eventually anyway.

>>14561406
>>14561412
>fixed

>>14561726
This is highly misleading

>>14561533
basically anything is cheaper than shuttle was

>>14561685
From Marshall Spaceflight Center's Facebook account, apparently.

All 33 engines installed on B7
>https://mobile.twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1535478522550136834?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

>>14561580
If it was for payload integration wouldn't it need to be as tall as Starship then?

>>14561763
>Deja Vu

>>14561770
I really hope it doesn’t nuke the pad because of the lack of a flame trench

>>14561763
>all those nooses (neese?)
Now that would be a nice way to go

>>14561763
>>14561773
Just let me pop a folding chair down under those engines and watch the combined might of 33 Raptors obliterate me

>>14561763
*yawn*
call me when a static fire is imminent

>>14561763
Who are they gonna hang?

>>14561773
They're for the pull start turbo pumps

>>14561766
No it seems like they have some weird plan for the payload. See "mystery structure" on the NSF videos

>>14561763
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQ4WPr4-fMk

My body is lady

what

>>14561808
>My body is lady
YWNBAW

>>14561793
>jorge walks under the raptors for a little inspection
>trips while falling
>pulls a rope
And that's how you make mexican barbecue

What happened today, /Spacex Fan General/?

>>14561825
Elon musk molested another poor young woman,but you wont hear about it until the 2028 election

>>14561827
He didn't do that, he just stole the credit.

>>14561829
lol

>>14561827
There are probably freaks in this thread that want to be molested by Musk and gifted a horse as a bonus.

So is Musk a fraud? He can't speak without suttering and he can't have made his rocket.

>>14561833
OH NO you’re right. Musk didn’t build the S24. I’d better tie the turbo pump neese around my neck right now and take the plunge, it’s over.

>>14561834
But he DID create the hyperloop at least, after all it was his idea. Of course when it finally becomes real and there's one on Mars then it was his engineers who did it and nobody ever said otherwise.

>>14561831
i've had worse deals

>>14561834
>I’d better tie the turbo pump neese around my neck right now and take the plunge
>snap neck
>instant cremation
fund it

This thing weighs 13,500 tons.
Assuming a cargo starship could push 100 tons to the Martian surface, it would take 135 starships for one bagger-288. What a massive blackpill.
>>14561850
Perfect prisoner mass execution method.

>>14561694
Juat make the spinlaunch larger

>>14561556
Holy crap they were seconds away from absolute shitshow.

>>14561851
With ONLY 135 cargo Starships, we could put a whole Bagger-288 on Mars.
What a massive whitepill.

>>14561851
how much of that weight is just ballast at the base?

>>14561825
gohan blanco is now canon

>>14561851
675*
But no. Unironically >>14561855 this. Do you know how much that can move? One of those things can dig 240,000 cubic meters every single day.

>>14561861
TWO HUNDRED AND FORTY CUBIC KILOMETERS

>>14561860
I'll just say that Frieza's spaceship is one the worst looking spacecraft in the history of sci-fi anime, it's like a fucking round beetle. At least the Saiyan pods look nice I guess.

>>14561763
So, when will B7 cum ?

>>14561863
/sfg/ - /dragonball spaceship General/

>>14561406
I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as Orion, is in fact, SLS/Orion, or as I've recently taken to calling it, SLS plus Orion. Orion is not a launch vehicle unto itself, but rather another multibillion dollar component of a partially functioning pork system made useless by the SLS subcontractors, shitty designs, and Alabama river rocks comprising a gigantic scam as defined by the GAO.

Many taxpayers fund a small part of the SLS scam every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of SLS which is widely mocked today is often called "Orion", and many of its victims are not aware that it is basically the SLS scam, developed by the SLS lobbyists.

There really is an Orion, and these people are seeing it blow up, but it is just a part of the scam they fund. Orion is the capsule: the payload in the system that allocates the government's resources to other districts that need pork. The capsule is an essential part of a launch system, but useless by itself; it can only incinerate astronauts in the context of a complete launch system. Orion is normally used in combination with the SLS boondoggle: the whole scam is basically SLS with Orion added, or SLS/Orion. All the so-called "Orion" debris fields are really distributions of SLS/Orion.

SLS is fake

>>14561885

>>14561833
you're a f-f-fff-fag

>>14561888
What happens when the engines SNIFF you back?

>>14561833
I guess you havent been around many engineera, lots of aspergers in there

>>14561885
>NASA patch
He's probably thinking "Jesus Christ, how can they possibly make engines this fast?"
Where'd this pic come from?

>>14561900
Probably something more like
"Jesus Christ we paid a hundred million a pop for eighteen RS-25s, this guy is building Raptors for a million EACH."

>>14561469
Rocket engines are heat engines however the heating of the gas is a constant pressure heat addition process. The gas gains enthalpy which is then converted to kinetic energy in the nozzle.

All the pressure is for is to facilitate a large pressure ratio accross the nozzle to allow for more enthalpy to be converted in the expansion process. In-space engines can get away with small chamber pressure and get great Isp because the pressure ratio is still high on account of having a vacuum at the exit.

>>14561900
NASA officials toured Starbase as part of a HLS thing

>>14561888
I wonder who could be behind this engine

>>14561911
You can just see the hatred of orange rocket sinking into his bones as he stares at the Raptors.

>>14561947
>And that man over there, is he an engineer?
>What? No, that's Pablo. Speaks absolutely zero english but he's a wizard with an angle grinder. Great guy.

>>14561885
you can tell he isn't impressed with these engines
look at the dodgy paintjob
the loose fit every component
probably thinking to himself that this will never work

>>14561885
>The subtle olive drab coloring
>Oh my God, it even has stenciled numbers

>>14561967
Very tasteful, now let’s see Blue Origin’s engine.

>>14561968

>>14561469
I mean it's not a classical example of carnot cycle heat engine, but it is a heat engine
>>14561535
p-V diagram doesn't work for it because the chamber volume is constant (unless the engine is experiencing RUD - in which case V is increasing)
work is extracted from pressure, not chamber volume (piston moving up and down) and it's not cyclic

pumps definitely aren't generating the pressure, just like fuel injection valves in ICE aren't what's moving the car forward

I really like fence schizo’s videos, but dislike how he prostrates himself as a söîboy for his skits. Practice in the mirror some more, maybe that will help the awkwardness. Thanks as always for the autism analysis of starbase, answering as many “spoon feed me pls” questions as possible. Godspeed, spacenigger.

https://twitter.com/replica72
a moonbase will always be in your face even if on the dark side - rockets are eternal
(where moon don't regenerate mars belongs to life)

>>14562046
Next level schizoposting

>>14561480
I see a worrying amount of fat people.

>>14561297
Those boomers look very impressed.

>>14562180
>>14561885
>>14561480
>>14561297
it honesty looks like they have never seen Starbase before let alone anything like it. They must be so used to spreadsheets and powerpoints to have forgot em about hardware.

>>14562182
and to think starships are the equivalent of transport shuttles and not real legit starships in scifi

>>14561861
and there's only 86400 seconds per day

Two weeks.
Simply two weeks.

>>14562245
>he failed to account for leap seconds

>>14562239
felon lied again

>>14562248
It's actually two days.

Why don't we send up thousands of balloons covered in kevlar and use them as space stations? They could be connected through airlocks. A single SpaceX rocket could carry thousands of balloons and airlocks.

>>14561763
When are they taking them off?

https://www.businessinsider.com/tesla-workers-shanghai-factory-closed-loop-leave-lockdown-2022-6
>Workers at Tesla's Shanghai factory allowed to leave for the first time in weeks, report says
Will it happen with starship factories? lol

>>14562389
That's like suggesting we can solve housing crisis by giving the homeless balloons to live in, habitable volume is by far the most overrated aspect of space station construction and on orbit assembly of shit you should have assembled on the ground is a nonstarter.

>>14562424
If they build a factory in that shithole, then there's a chance.

>>14562389
The founder of Bigelow Aerospace tried this and now he's living in the Arizona desert in large inflatable habs tripping balls on mescaline.
The inflatablepill is a dangerous one anon, it can lead to glory or ruin

>>14562259
>anon refuses to use International Atomic Time and prefers medieval time systems not fit for purpose
ngmi

>namefag
Don't give him (you)s

>>14562496
He sounds based. Wonder if he needs someone to hang out with.

>>14561866
>reject moeshit
>embrace rocketCHADS

>>14562508
> Try not to be a schizo for 2 minutes challenge
You failed again cocksucker

>>14562389
Sure... then you need to connect the plumbing, the ventilation, electricity, manage the temperature, maybe liquid then make sure it don't cause problem if the balloon is pierced.

Look up BIGELOW
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bigelow_Aerospace

>>14561911
quarter mil

>>14561851
>those shooped in logos
what did they mean by this

>>14561851
By the time you need such massive excavators on Mars, you're probably capable of producing most of the raw steel in situ, in which case the amount of tonnage you actually need to transport to Mars is probably far lower.

pull those pants up faggot

>>14562430
>we can solve housing crisis by giving the homeless balloons to live in,
Seems like that would very quickly solve the problem.

>>14562512
He is a cunt

>>14562007
>p-V diagram doesn't work for it because the chamber volume is constant
wouldnt V be the volume of the has and not the volume of the chamber? You can draw pV diagrams for jet engines for example

>>14561911
Around 500k each now. Once the McGregor factory gets up and running at full production, should be around 250k per raptor.

>>14562653
>trusting Musk numbers

>>14562595

>>14562607
What makes you say that? He sounds like my uncle that invented airbags for boats and died of hep-b he picked up while living in Vegas.

>>14562666
comfy pic

>>14562661
The difference is these numbers are not predictions, they are hard numbers for something that is already happening

>>14562685
>trusting "hard" Musk numbers

>>14562690
I trust Musk over you

>>14562599
>I'm not homeless, I live in a tent, I mean balloon. Hey can I use your shower and charge my phone?
Delusional. The reason why there are homeless isn't because it's expensive to build a shelter but because it's expensive to build a shelter with all the features of modernity.

Inflatable modules, wet workshops, 3D printed surface habitation, and all the other meme bullshit fails to address this and they would only compound the cost since they require far more assembly in space where labor is extremely expensive. Modules should be steel cans mass produced in factories. Choose from a few standard designs or buy an empty one to be outfitted and shipped to space ready to go.

>>14562424
There's no mandate to shut down Starship factory over covid

>>14562666
Comments on glassdoor

Ticket on New Shepard is $1.25 Million

>>14562801
But it was supposed to be $500k.

>>14562801
>must virtue signal
>cannot resist
MUH CRYPTO BAD

>>14562815
t. bagholder

>>14562815
What is a DAO but a money laundering front

>>14562803
inflation

>>14562822
>money laundering
YES TRACEABLE CURRENCY GOOD. ANONYMITY BAD

say it with me
THE SPACE SHUTTLE IS RETIRED
https://youtu.be/nXYI77-pqrE

Obligatory shill https://youtu.be/ipkYMU1zPSM

>>14562862
hmm, I have an idea

>>14562862
god fucking dammit

>>14562823
Trump lost chud

>>14562781
>There's no mandate to shut down Starship factory
For now

>>14562876
Is that good? I just watch the niggas videos and they're stellar.

>>14562862
>the earth sucks
Ummm based?

>>14562889
Its basically a CSI 30 minute video stretched to 3 hours

>>14562862

>>14562917
correction

Has SLS gotten wet yet?

>>14562508
You can add a filter to automatically hide all namefags. It's great! Letting a namefag seethe completely unseen is exactly what they deserve.

If instead they start adding signatures to their posts they can get banned for it.

>>14562876
Literally the worst way to cover tankwatching info.

>>14562921
A future worth living for. Hail Musk!

>>14562944
use hotter art in your shitposts or fuck off faggot

>>14562944
go back

>>14562957
Go back

>>14562599
>>14562779
Depends mostly on what gas is in the balloons

Viewing recommendations for TROPICS-1 from KSC are out.

https://www.kennedyspacecenter.com/launches-and-events/events-calendar/2022/june/rocket-launch-astra-rocket-3-tropics-1

>>14562955
Has SLS got wet yet?

>>14562959
go back

>>14562944
Got any more?

>>14562944
Just a friendly reminder to kill yourself in the most painful way possible

>>14562963
I'm the leader of the PoEDs and declare you are officially a huge faggot

>>14562962
Tumblr fags can't draw

>>14562944
cute!

>>14562969
Who?

>>14562955
bend over, anon

>>14562972
portable SRBs to quickly get away from any incomfortable situation

>>14561389
Any interview with someone with more than 2 brain cells (i.e. not a journalist). In the SSB meeting/interview he talked with a bunch of PhDs for an hour and went on an +20 minutes autism rampage about stainless steel vs carbon fiber (the guy he was talking to basically asked him on a date afterwards).

>>14562969
They could draw porn but iToddlers banned that.

>>14562972
What the hell is VSVN?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oj_wZzcWEG8
https://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2022/06/europa-clippers-update/
Europa Clipper is real

>>14563002
>solar powered at Jupiter
dropped for its homosexuality

>>14562991
A german thing

>>14562887
There never was. Commiefornia had Tesla factory shutdown for 2 months. China had the same response. Both are commies. Unless Texas turns full blown commie, it aint happening

https://twitter.com/SpcPlcyOnline/status/1535661699755384835


Russian Prime Minister has just signed a document finalizing the crew transfers for a Russian cosmonaut on Crew Dragon and an American astronaut on Soyuz. We're now waiting on an American astronaut to be confirmed.

>>14563028
Anna Kikina as Russian cosmonaut
Frank Rubio (expected) as American astronaut

>>14563012
A manned space telescope sounds really cool but is it practical?

>>14563028
Man I wish Russia decided to be cool with everyone. No matter who you support, it’s a damn shame their aerospace industry is fucking dead

Is anyone else scared about the lack of a flame trench for Starship?

>>14563041
they don't man it just service it when it gets struck by roggs 5 months after launch

>>14563050
No

>>14563050
No need for it.

>>14563050
If it's a problem, they'll notice during the booster static fires. I expect flying martite lava again desu.

>>14563050
>have tunnelling company
>cant dig a trench

>>14563065
>>14563062
>>14563060
There’s speculation that SpaceX could build a small pond underneath the launch mount and fill it with freshwater to keep martyte from flying. Either way, hopefully if something goes wrong, it’ll be with a mostly empty booster without a starship on top

>>14563077
>no flame trench at Starbase
>no flame trench at LC-39A
I think they're sure about that design.

Jesus was an extraterrestrial

>>14563116
>was
still am, you disgraceful e*rther

>>14563116
t. Carl Sagan

>>14563077
Its not a speculation. SpaceX wanted to build a fresh water supply line from saline water system for their noise suppression/thermal suppression system. FAA didn't like that.

>>14563012
Lucy is solar powered and going out that far, I don't see any reason Clipper can't

>>14562986
Ssb?

>>14563116
Not gonna lie I’m Christian but I don’t like a lot of the teachings and my gf and I can’t get married because we’re different religions (she’s Muslim) so I’m having a crisis of faith right now.

>>14563165
If religion is in the way she's not the one

>mfw I'm endangered wildlife laying eggs in the launch mount pond watching the final countdown

Reminder, Starship/SpaceX (Elon in general) is the envy of the world. In the US, our government is doing everything they can to stall his projects for personal politics. Its shameful.

>>14562779
It was a joke about suffocation. Try to be less autistic.

>>14563171
I just want to be happy :(
Both of us are exiled by our families it feels like all we have is each other

>>14563195
It’s crazy how much people have turned on Elon. When did he become an underdog?

>>14563201
>When did he become an underdog?
He's always been the underdog. Its the journos that turned on him due to Musk not playing the pay2play advertisement game.

>>14562944
Now dance!

>>14563201
When he upset IFLS! by going against the covid narrative and then moving from the Holy Land of California to the demonic gates of texas. Now he's going against twitter and the leftist establishment so he doesn't get to be "The inspiration for Tony Stark" anymore.

>>14563201
he said that dude who got boys trapped in a cave was a pedo, you can't punch down at MAPS chud, they are heckin valid

Apparently B7 rollout is still a few days away. Engines don’t have their full covers and stuff.

>>14563215
>Only two RS25's on core stage
Uhhhhh, guys???

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTpIawwJ6Qo

> As command module pilot for the Apollo 15 mission to the moon in 1971, Al Worden flew on what is widely regarded as the greatest exploration mission that humans have ever attempted. He spent six days orbiting the moon, including three days completely alone, the most isolated human in existence. During the return from the moon to earth he also conducted the first spacewalk in deep space, becoming the first human ever to see both the entire earth and moon simply by turning his head. The Apollo 15 flight capped an already-impressive career as an astronaut, including important work on the pioneering Apollo 9 and Apollo 12 missions, as well as the perilous flight of Apollo 13.

>Nine months after his return from the moon, Worden received a phone call telling him he was fired and ordering him out of his office by the end of the week. He refused to leave.

> What happened in those nine months, from being honored with parades and meetings with world leaders to being unceremoniously fired, has been a source of much speculation for four decades. Worden has never before told the full story around the dramatic events that shook NASA and ended his spaceflight career. Readers will learn them here for the first time, along with the exhilarating account of what it is like to journey to the moon and back. It's an unprecedentedly candid account of what it was like to be an Apollo astronaut, with all its glory but also its pitfalls.

reddit description of the video:
> Apollo Astronaut Al Worden was pessimistic about the role of private space industry. He did not believe that private companies can ever take humans beyond Earth orbit and transporting passengers to space stations because they are driven by profit and going to Mars is unprofitable

Haven't watched it yet so not sure exactly if he is pro private space or not, or if he wasn't before but is now

>>14563195
>everything they can
lmao

>>14563265
The Apollo astronauts are an example of “never meet your heroes.” A lot of them shit on private space pretty heavily - especially good old Neil. Only Buzz has come around but Jack Schmidt literally shilled the National Team.
Also a lot of them were legitimately shitty people who cheated on their wives and left their families. They are heroes but they’re not saints.

>>14563269
this is what got (((worden))) fired
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_15_postal_covers_incident

>>14563265
>has been a source of much speculation for four decades. Worden has never before told the full story
yes he did, he tried to blame it all on scott. worden was a total loser, he couldn't do his job right. getting caught trying to illegally cash in on his prestigious government position was only one of his many, many fuckups on the job, ethical and technical mistakes, stupid loser couldn't do anything right, he was either low iq or just unwilling to do what it took intellectually to perform well.

What's the most suitable place on the planet for launching rockets? The factors are weather, latitdiute, likelihood of natural disasters and some other things? Is it Hainan, Kenya or somewhere else?

>>14562969
pyw

>>14563243
>that dude who got boys trapped in a cave
make it less obvious

>>14563201
If you’re actually Christian (i.e. you actually believe the tenets of Christianity) you want to convert her to save her from hell regardless of the consequences.

It’s clear that’s not the case, so you should just convert to Islam because you’ll only be required to observe its formalities and everyone will be happy.

If you have some excuse why you can’t do either just stop whining and sacrifice yourself to Moloch under SLS’s SRBs (this will require some patience)

>>14563265
time stamp?

>>14563269
What you wrote is not exactly true. Many of them opposed the commercialization of spaceflight because they were simply old, and it's normal for them to oppose change. Perhaps you remember the moment when Musk started crying during 60 Minutes interview. This may sound weird, but Steve Jurvetson took it seriously and decided to cheer him up. He reached Apollo astronauts and got them to sign a picture with a supportive message.
>Then I approached Gene Cernan, and held my breath. I figured it would be a bit more difficult to break from the social proof of his esteemed colleagues. And so he listened. As with every Apollo astronaut who signed this photo, I was able to talk about SpaceX and answer his questions. Gene was interested in who financed SpaceX — what big money interests got it going. I told him that Elon Musk personally financed the company for all of its first $100 million, when no one else would bet on the venture, and he saw it through thick and thin, including the first three launches of the Falcon 1, all of which failed spectacularly. As I told him these stories of heroic entrepreneurship, I could see his mind turning.
>He found a reconciliation: “I never read any of this in the news. Why doesn’t the press report on this?”
https://www.flickr.com/photos/jurvetson/7547788856/in/photostream/

>>14563300
Does local infrastructure matter? Many of the best places in theory have infrastructure that's rather privative.

>>14563338
>"I never read any of this in the news. Why doesn’t the press report on this?"
Ah, there's the rage I needed to go on another day.

>>14563265
>believes US will never transition towards automated ISS docking
>believes private companies will never take us beyond LEO because "profits"
meh

>>14561392
the one where he falls for the pendulum rocket fallacy

>>14563344
It’s pretty clear why journalists oppose gun ownership

>>14563265
he's right too. the error is him believing
>private enterprise = profit maximizer
extremely cringe commiefaggotry

>>14563356
>believes US will never transition towards automated ISS docking
are they docking manually now?

>>14563357
kek. source or css

>>14563365
no only russia is whenever their slavware fails

>>14563367
>inb4 he thinks the HLS moon landing thrusters are falling for the pendulum fallacy

>>14563300
All the truly advantageous places are already taken except for ones in Africa (security reasons). I'm surprised Woomera isn't a busier launch site these days.

>>14563340
Well it can be built so no.

>>14563373
It was way earlier than that, I remember something where he said that the Draco abort motors on mk2 dragon were pendulum rocket fallacy

>>14563050
booster will dig it's own trench

>>14561623
its apple
even if the writers didn't want to, the jews that own them mandate it under threat of them getting purged
worship of blacks is still state religion within the united states

>>14562944
add some wrinkles and she's an old spinster catlady, fitting SLS anthro.

>>14563050

>>14563373
he said that is it obviously better for the lower part of the rocket to be heavier

>>14563448
>I remember something where he said that the Draco abort motors on mk2 dragon were pendulum rocket fallacy
source?

https://twitter.com/Astra/status/1535725749889601539
>Launch for @NASA TROPICS-1 is NET Sunday, June 12 — window opens at 12:00pm ET. In the event of an attempt, live coverage with @NASASpaceflight begins at T-30 minutes: http://astra.com/livestream #AdAstra
>In the event of an attempt
it's not happening

>>14561623
The man part is questionable. Looks questioning non-binary.

https://mobile.twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1535689536776421377

> 250 tons of force is achievable

>>14563200
>Try to be less autistic.
>>>/reddit/

>>14563561
Jan 6th 2021 is the day it’s achieved

>>14563568
Yes, you should go back.

>>14561435
>they can shoot rockets into space
They cannot.

>>14562972
dem wide hips.

>>14561851
>>14562589
This machine is engineered for earth gravity. It would be massively overbuilt for excavation of equivalent volumes in moon gravity.

WTF HOW THE FUCK IS IT POSSIBLE TO SPEND $1BN ON DESIGNING A LAUNCH TOWER THAT ALREADY EXISTS AND BUILDING NOTHING

>>14563744
I dunno, I feel like I could do that.

The first time an astronaut is killed by some micro meteorite, it's going to be extremely scandalous for that space agency or corporation involved.

>>14563758
by the time that happens there are going to be hundreds of thousands of astronauts out there and it'll be a minor offbeat news story

>>14561851
>it would take 135 starships for one bagger-288. What a massive blackpill.
We could put the largest excavation system ever built on another PLANET in just over a year with 2 starships doing a launch per week.
>>14561861
Not checking the math, this is /sci/. Regardless, I don't see how the genuine possibilty of putting some of the largest things ever built on another planet with reasonable (for some value of reason) within a lifetime is somehow horrifying. Nobody has even ever landed on another planet and we might soon have the capability to ship things like reactors, O2 generators, computers, a machine shop, whatever else was previously in the "Can you even imagine how much that would cost?" category.

>>14563744
Its not as bad as spending $40 billion dollars already on a design thats basically taking Shuttle parts and removing the shuttle part. Which still hasn't flown yet. And will cost another $40+ billion over the next decade.

I wonder if starship 2, will be a starship optimized for LEO operations featuring some kind of 3 super-isp raptors

Let’s say it’s 2050. You have a wife, kids, maybe even grandkids. Would you abandon them for your chance to fulfill your dream of going to mars?

>>14563116
If Jesus was, how would that change arguments over the "correct" religion? To me it seems like that would be more reason to follow his teachings since we know the aliens aren't malevolent.
>>14563165
>I don’t like a lot of the teachings
Like?
>>14563785
No? That's just selfish.

>>14563785
If I have any of those things, there's been a mistake. And I'm going to the moon, not mars.

>>14563785
>You have a wife, kids, maybe even grandkids.
lol

>>14563785
yeah provided they are decently grown and there is a high enough level of self sufficiency and community, I want to spelunk on mars

https://twitter.com/Erdayastronaut/status/1535767571433148416
Estronaut might get to fly Jeff's rocket on cryptobros' dime

>>14563804
I love money laundering scams, sign me up!

>>14563814
>Seething nocoiner who missed the bullrun

Big oof

>>14563785
Can you point me in the direction of some STEM girls so that I can accomplish the first part of that question?

>>14561283
Beohjgpo

>>14563804
That'll be the New Shepard that blows up
Sayonara, Tim-san

its OVER
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1535733409083011073
elon is CANCELLED

>>14561793
>pull start rocket engines
SOUL

>>14563744
Embezzlement and corruption
simple as
you didn't think NASA's purpose was spaceflight, did you?

>>14563868
That man is grabbing the pendulum with both hands and making it swing wherever the hell he wants

>>14563868
>saying this during rainbow flag month

>>14563902
>>14563868
I love how Elon can criticize the Right (Religion, guns, global warming denial) and the Left (this stuff). We should all be more like him

>>14563908
>I love how Elon isn't a one dimensional stickman retard on a piece of paper. We should all be more like him.
You should run for office, sir.

>nothing is happening do you all devolve into sugar daddy idolatry
/sfg/ = /sugardaddy fantasy general/

>>14563908
I criticize all idiots/spergs, left, right, middle, above, below, and Elon as well.

I actually feel like /sfg/ is starting to recover bros.
launch next month?


>>14563868
Basically tranny ideology is society getting gender non-conforming people to fit in to traditional gender roles.
It's a less direct, more self enforced version of what goes on in Iran, where gay people that are outed to society are forced to become women.
Or that process in some african tribes where women that are the sole heir to the family cattle are forced to become socially men and take wives ect (because women aren't allowed to own property).

>>14563908
I realized something strange about our country the other day

The rich and powerful, off all things, cannot actually express their opinions. It's been that way for politicians for a long time, because they run for election. But what's new is the ultra wealthy in corporate governance can't say anything that would damage their ESG score, get them in hot water with the SEC, or drag themselves and by extention their company into controversy, unless it's leftwing shit because that's offset by getting more ESG.

>>14563983
>The rich and powerful, off all things, cannot actually express their opinions
Sure they can. They use their opinions to guide the governance. Who do you think owns the media? Who do you think runs the ESG? Who do you think runs the SEC? These are rich and powerful people that own those institutions.

>>14563983
>>14563988
The confusion stems from the fact that people think rich = powerful. Musk is new money rich. Old money controls 90% of the world. New money has no institutional power which are all bought/paid for by old money. Old money is invisible. They run the governance society. New money runs the new economy.

>>14563988
Didn't realize I was in /sfg/ when I posted but I'll clairify. Can't make this a conversation after this post though

Yes the people in charge of blackrock and vanguard are getting their way because they call those shots. But that's a minority within the rich and powerful. But if you depend on ESG instead of running it, that's obviously not the case.

>>14563998
Blackrock and vanguard manages $10s of trillions of dollars. The ones who call the shots are the bod members, which are doing the bidding of the handful of the actual hidden oligarchs.

But furthermore, these asset management systems are a global thing. Very small groups of people control almost an entierity of investment assets valuing more than $100s+ trillions of dollars.

>>14563762
>a launch per week.
How do they get to Mars and back in two weeks?

>>14563785
In 2050, my kids will already be old and maybe even grandparents themselves. Yeah, I'd go.

>>14563785
I dont have a wife, I don't have kids, let alone grandkids. If I had the money to go to mars, I still wouldn't. Not because I hate mars, but rather I'd be useless for Mars

>>14564010

B7 still has to get a lot more stuff added. Pic is B4 with its engine “dance floor.” Don’t expect a rollout too soon

>>14561297
>Just look away and pretend it doesn't exist guys
>It can't make us obsolete if we don't look at it

>>14564027
Kinda where I'm at. I'd love to believe that in the face of adversity I'd be able to pull myself together and actually make a difference but deep down I feel that I'd be more of a burden than a help to any colonization effort.

>>14562862
"Huhuhuhuhuh, shittle."
>only on streaming
Uhhhhh, like, streaming sucks.

>>14562622
This guy thermos

>>14562917

>>14563744
You forget that they were chosen by the same people who support expendable roads.

>>14563908
the right has more issue with the left's treatment of global warming as a religion, and their unhinged hatred of any actual solutions
also, guns wouldn't be such a hot button issue if the left and oligarchy wasn't so brazenly dishonest about them

>>14563699
I'm not so sure about that. The same time that the dirt is getting lighter, the ballast is getting lighter too. There's some weird voodoo going on with soil friction. Some of it does depend on the overburden pressure, which does vary with gravity, but theres some cohesiveness that doesn't vary with gravity.
In general, earthmoving equipment is built far heavier than it needs to be to carry the actual loads because it needs to be stable while moving dirt around. Changing gravity doesn't change the required mass ratio for stability.

Do you need commodities to drive LEO economy. American economy is heavily design and service based, it seems that you could charge a higher premium for space access provided you could build out a service base / recreation space.
The very access to space, could become a major filter for countries, constellations maybe the first large step to creating a second tier system of respectable nations with access and those without.
ISS is technically access but the scale is wrong. The want/need is there. All you need is the price point to drop by 50% - 90% which is heavily feasible, people already want to go. Commercializing 0g environments should be incredibly easy give somebody a pressurized can of air and they can fly around.

The biggest question is acceleration. You need a SpaceX for crew components, for mass manufacture

>>14563908
>>14564116
Geoengineering can solve global warming but nobody wants to talk about it.

>>14564139
There isn't actually much you can do in LEO that is better than what you can do on Earth. Which is why pic related will flop.

>>14564139
Thinking on this more ideally you'd want another company to come in, and bring mainly a lot of capital. Manufacture really big and bulky life support sections. Should be relatively simple if weight is not that much of a factor. Then provision hundreds of starship flights for cheap, while taking thousands of tickets. Using starship for cargo delivery, and people delivery.
Fun fact starship longer term is unnecessary for constellations it's too good. You need more fuel for the fire and capital to back it. An equal company to spaceX set to settle leo, then drive contracts for the moon.

>>14564163
>>14564139
Retarded idea but what about making a LEO constellation of 100 or so space stations with communication arrays attached. You make a LEO internet service AND get space tourism AND space science done. They can be small too, say the size of a Cygnus with a Starlink V2 attached

>>14564163
It's not about what you can do it's about what you can sell. It's about price point and demand. Blue origin and virgin, and spacex set flights. If you lower the price point, and make it a nicer experience the demand will come. Tourism to be fair is limited, but just the part where you fly on a rocketship tends to be quite interesting.
I am sure you could generate enjoyable 0g activities provided you could have enough space. The single nut sack station has already the concept to get it to work. But you need starship and a break through to a much bigger scale. The advertising will basically sell itself

>>14564167
I am sure it's technically feasible it's just harder to do so across many more stations, but stations themselves could have much bigger communications equipment attached with the required solar panels and radiators. You could combine functionality in some sense, but whether there'd be enough of a gain I couldn't say

>>14564175
Aside from LEO internet constellations, it doesn’t seem like LEO - or 99% of space near us - has a business case

>>14564184
LEO Hotel could be a business case. It just may not be a mass market business case, but rather for rich companies/individuals.

>>14564187
You now remember the Space Shuttle ET Hotel

>The hotel group Hilton International is to become the first sponsor of a privately funded plan to build a space station. It will be constructed from used Space Shuttle fuel tanks.
>And when the Hilton Orbital Hotel is built, space visionary Arthur C Clark wants to be there for the opening.

>>14564196
you really just need the price to drop, that's what will increase feasibility and buy in, as size goes up, I think the value of full utilizations of larger spaces with maybe small amounts of artificial g remains ever compelling

>>14564108
Each Alabama river rock had to pass a rigorous 5-point inspection requiring a team of 53 geologists and engineers and taking over 3 months to complete review of each stone.

>>14564201
$1M per day boarding fee could happen and there would be plenty of rich buyers. If you offer 10 beds, thats $10 million per day revenue for station. Or $3.6 billion per year income. Combine that with $20 million price to orbit on starship, A 3 day trip would cost $23 million dollars. Thats cheaper than New Shephard's price per launch lmao.

>>14564217
Imagine if SpaceX offered that sort of service with a Starship as "space station" mode where by people can rent out a orbital Starship for $500K a day with a capacity for 30 people at a time. That's $5.5 billion dollars per year revenue for SpaceX.

>>14561464
BLDM

>>14561480
my god, what is that disgusting ogre shitskin on the left.

>>14563744
Inflation.

>>14563761
I think it will be a big story just because of the novelty

>>14564137
The whole thing has less of it's own weight to support, if nothing else.

>>14563744
bro they had to upgrade from usb 2.0 to usb-c? have you seen the price of those adapters?

>>14564108
please tell me they don't replace those stones each time

>>14564150
This, with Starships we'll be able to launch millions of square kilometers of solar shades. We can terraform Venus too.

Everyday astronaut live now, could be selected to flight on a new shepard
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHVj280_hcE

So how many of you have been to space now?

>>14564259
Does taking LSD count

>>14564246
A team of inspectors comes each week to ensure that every rock is in good condition
They use proprietary tools from a contractor to test each stone
The inspectors are paid 120$/h and they get a bonus from the rock company for every rock replaced

>>14564266
this must be a joke but oh god it might be true

>>14564266
Alabama river rocks that have been trod over once by the crawler are put before a committee review, questioned thoroughly, then crushed and transported by mail back to Alabama for even distribution across every district in the state.

>>14564251
This is cringe. Crypto is an embarrassment.

>>14564251
omegA cringe

>>14564271
>>14564266
Cost+ rock inspection.

>>14564350
omegA was based, would have loved to see that BRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAPer fly.

america is the best country for commercial spaceflight, but which is the 2nd best?

>>14564361
How else has a commercial spaceflight? China is gearing up, but they're all state companies at this point.

>>14564355
It's not that easy in geology

>>14564361
There is none

>>14564364
uk, france, turkey, australia, india, etc. are all making moves in commercial spaceflight, but none of them stick out very much.

>>14564361
Romania

and also Sweden

>>14564163
>There isn't actually much you can do in LEO that is better than what you can do on Earth. Which is why pic related will flop.
Studying how to make human able to live in 0 gravity is one reason and the only reason you needed.

Also space tourism can only be done ...in space. The rest is just a problem of profitability then scaling it up to utopia level.

>>14564361
france and china are the only countries that care enough about independence from america to develop their own space economies

>>14564385
true, but if america is doing so well wouldnt you try to latch onto it so you can get alot of business too?

>>14564390
It goes deeper than logic for them. France got bailed out by the US three times (WW1, WW2, Nam) and completely emasculated twice (Suez crisis, forced decolonization) by the US in the space of fifty years, and then we landed men on the moon. France is used to seeing itself as a major power as it had been since the days of Charlemagne, but the US, a country they view as fundamentally English and therefore Not French, has utterly surpassed them in every way. To make matters worse, the success is largely tied to the parts of anglo culture that the French dislike. The day the French stop stubbornly going their own way to stick it to the English and the Americans is the day they die as a culture.

China is the short man of Asia. Their entire culture focuses around never taking a public loss, but the US humiliates them in everything except volume of low quality manufacturing. The Chinese also lack a native sense of objective truth or a sense that stealing is wrong, and so Congress has wisely permabanned them from burgerspace. This is likely to be the cause of the first interplanetary war, as the Chinese encroach where they are not wanted and find out the hard way how outclassed they are. This is why Starship and Starlink make the bugs squirm, it's a reminder of this future they can't exactly paper over.

>>14564402
It would be kind of disappointing if the first martian war was between US and Chinese colonies, instead of them banding together to throw off the yoke of Earth.
A cool story would be Chinese and Americans learning to coexist in order to achieve independence for both of them. Oh well.

>>14564217
That could actually have a market, but idk if you could get year round occupancy
More like a novelty and as time goes on, the people who have tried it run out
Many people wouldnt go because of the risks

>>14564408
Early contact between colonies and informal unreported trade will go far in making strong ties with neighbors.

>>14564390
There's nothing to latch to that would bring any more business than today, we are also getting sick of building stuff for International Project and see them are held back by clusterfuck like Artemis.

Europe are working on
- our own constellation to not be left with no room left in orbit after Starlink,
- our own Reusable rocket,
- see if Ariane 6 can be made reusable (it was supposed to have been considered early stage),
- putting back on the table the question of having our own manned launcher (Ariane 5 was meant for manned launch originally)

We know we may not do better (everywhere) but we will have our own capabilities in case of a sudden loss elsewhere. Just like NASA escaped a major crisis thanks to SpaceX taking over Russia's manned launch.

>>14564402
As a Frenchman we ARE a major power, even without Europe.
But we aren't stupid and know we can't compete against countries several time our size, it's incredible we rank as high as we do against countries from 5 to 100 times our population and infinite times the critical resources.
From my personal point of view the US is actually a disappointment jobbing for a century who should have been capable of far more if it had been anywhere as functional efficient as France (instead of trying to destroy Europe to remove competitors).

Anyway, we should steer off politic so please focus on this distracting picture.

>>14564422
France pretty much carries the Ariane 5 and 6. My respects mate.

>>14564422
>100 times our population
that's a big country

>>14563077
>here's your suppression pond bro

>>14564413
>Many people wouldnt go because of the risks
3.5+ million people sky dive a year. 800 people climb Mt. Everest a year. 14% chance of dying there. That is ~100 deaths per year on avg.

So risks have never stopped people from seeking thrills.

I like Astra but I hate how every discussion about them turns into retard faggots talking about stocks and how much money they invested. Fuck your investment. I want to talk about rockets.

>>14564476
It pisses us off too. Kemp had to personally wade in to the twatter replies to explain we announced the TROPICS launch license as soon as we could and weren't deliberately waiting until after closing bell. Many eyes were rolled.

>>14564476
They went public, so they have to deal with stock markets.

>>14564488
Kemp cited some numbers saying how reusing a first stage would require 20 or so flights to break even. I was curious what his analysis is?
Also good luck tomorrow with Tropics. Rootin’ for you mate

>>14564464
Yeah but paying like 10 million for a short vacation vs skydiving is not really accessi le to the same population, older more wealthy people tend to be more conservative

>>14564501
If you could skydive continuously for 3 days while being able to enjoy the comforts of normal life, there would certainly be people paying more for it.

>>14564492
Basically our rockets are super cheap because we deliberately ride close to the edge of tolerances to save on materials costs, which improves performance because lolrocketequation. If we make them stronger to reuse them they get more expensive. Falcon 9 basically pulled that mass margin out of its own ass with the ridiculous upgrades the Merlin got - remember it started as an expendable design. RP-1, LOX, and aluminum are all real fucking cheap compared to giant lithium batteries, pumps, and combustion chambers, so Rocket 4 is going to cost less than Rocket 3 despite being bigger.

And thanks.

>>14563744
SPACE.
IS.
HARD.

>>14564424
IIRC France is the main force behind ESA's rockets mainly for the reason that it's easier to have one country manufacture the majority of the rocket, and because France in the 70's already had a pretty good understanding of rocketry they made the most sense from ESA's member nations

Hey guys

ESA was so jealous of the Canadarm that they ripped it off and gave it to the Russians. Sad!

>>14564551
Not gonna lie I’m envious of him being so close to the real vehicle but eat a sandwich dude

>>14564554
Happens

>>14564528
France is the animating force behind ESA because they're the only nation that gives a shit about building something, and even then, Arianegroup is calcified, Boeing-tier, old space grift.

>>14564554
Had to make one ourselves, couldn't bother spending 108 million on a Canadian one

>>14564551
what the hell is W.T. Snacks doing at NASA?

>>14564583
The ERA cost 360 million euros and the CanadaArm3 for Gateway will be at least 270 million USD. The arms business is very lucrative.

>>14564551
look likes he smells like a week old diaper

So is James scope kill?
Kino Starship repair mission?
Yes?

Why is my soul cursed to lust for the far gulfs of space and time? Do others feel the pull to the beyond?

>>14564700
To finally be at peace

>>14563749
>not shaihulud speshul

I remember one anon complaining here how unpopular sci-fi is in the mainstream, few days later I'm watching Summer Game Fest and there's a ton of space stuff.

>>14562986
Link?

>>14564554
JAXA have their own Japanarm too
And China have two

>>14563161
>>14564815
It's this one.
https://youtu.be/JlSUickkVs8
There was also a moment when Musk was asked about life systems on Starship, or something like that, and he dodged that question. At first, it was weird for me, because you obviously need life system on HLS, and SpaceX is certainly working on it, but it could be ITAR related.

>>14564790
>Summer Game Fest
nerdshit isnt mainstream

>>14564853
Video games are very mainstream.

>Royal Caribbean wants to add Elon Musk's Starlink high-speed internet to its cruise ships
https://www.royalcaribbeanblog.com/2022/06/10/royal-caribbean-wants-add-elon-musks-starlink-high-speed-internet-its-cruise-ships

>>14564889
What happened yesterday, /silly fun general/?

>>14564932
I had a BBQ yesterday.

>>14564382
>Studying how to make human able to live in 0 gravity
We've already been doing that for ovr 20 years. We need to learn about humans in partial gravity now. Whether that's a moon/mars base or a spinhab in orbit doesn't matter as much as just doing something other than more fucking zero-gravity time.

Is this still happening or are we going to get cucked by the weather?

https://mobile.twitter.com/XylaFoxlin/status/1535787648018575361

Lol, that wasnt really an insult

>>14564889
>read through the article
>pretty interesting stuff, whole article is about Royal Caribbean wanting to start using Starlink ASAP but FCC regulations are holding them back so they've launched an appeal
>various stock photos of SpaceX missions and cruise ships throughout the article
>keep scrolling
>photo of a rocket launching
>wait a sec
Why do normies do this. May as well have used a Shuttle stock photo while they're at it.

>>14565097
Unironically go back

>>14564853
This post traveled forwards through time from the year 1999 just to be wrong in the future.

>>14565060
Officially yes, but probably not

>>14564616
if you spend 300M domestically as government, you will have 200M returned as taxes and gain know-how for the next one
if you give out 300M to foreign companies, you won't get anything back out of it

>>14565097
>https://mobile.twitter.com/XylaFoxlin/status/1535787648018575361
Twitter should be deleted from the internet forever

oldspace pisses me off so much. they held back almost two generations of progress and they have the audacity to pretend that they are the pinnacle of spaceflight capability. when can we finally bury this mess of corruption?

>>14565097
This better not be blue fox porn

>>14565213
For the sole reason that expressing any slightly complex thought requires making a dozen posts replying to one another, yes.

>>14565243
sadly not

Hey fags the Elon Interview just dropped
https://youtu.be/hIPLmZK3C1Y

T-30 min

https://youtu.be/HztFm2XGO7s

>>14565248
I still haven't watched the first Starbase tour.

>>14565248
Jesus he is really milking this, its not part 3 of the interview?

Clear waiting room
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tS_tfb7mKUM

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