/sci/ - Science & Math

>>14557529
FTS Archive
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1KCJBL632oieD1r6JOh_5Eg9NTcf_-hH8?usp=sharing

>>14557487
Starlink could be expecially vulnerable to ground based lasers (or even LEO focuser lasers) due to their low altitude. Do Starlink sats have anything particularly vulnerable on them like voletiles?

musk is finished

Could Batman work in an interplanetary setting? Say, 200 years into the future, when people have colonized every large planet and moon in the solar system and use fusion drives to traverse the distances in weeks.

>>14557589
Why do you keep posting about ~scifi~ here? Not even slightly on topic, post on /tg/ or /co/.

>>14557545
don't care

>>14557604
just have percy drive back a bit and blow some gas on ingenuity's solar panel

Could Nakaimo work in an interplanetary setting? Say, 200 years into the future, when people have colonized every large planet and moon in the solar system and use fusion drives to traverse the distances in weeks.

>>14557623
Not spaceflight related, please kill yourself

>>14557608
They're really missing out on the opportunity to have one of these things try to remove the dust off the other.
Fucking mass autism, just put a brush on a robot arm.

>>14557637
the robot arm already has a tool that can blow compressed gas to clear off dust, they'd just need to use it

>>14557636
Agreed actually, should be in SQT.

>>14557604
Is it gonna get left behind...?

>>14557608
ingenuity isnt having any dust issues

>Zurbuchen talks about his desire to increase support for high-risk/high-impact research as a lead-in to the UAP study announcement. “We are not shying away from reputational risk.”

>>14557589
If you kill yourself, you might be reborn in a fantasy world where this is a relevant question and everyone else doesn't think you're a fucking moron.

As this seems to mainly be fiscussion about anime/fiction, is planetes good?

>>14557731
No, it's not good. It's excellent.

>>14557731
Yes, but expect lots of goofy and honestly unfunny gags throughout the series. If you can get past that, the core story is pretty good, especially in season 2. The setting itself is pretty cool, like an industrial port station.

>>14557731
>>>/a/

>>14557623
go back

>>14557731
It's really not that bad

>>14557623
yes

>>14557731
I liked it, it's been a few years since I watched it. I like the idea of the moon not being a place you can permanently colonize, and it's instead used as a hospice center.
>born on moon
>get tall too quickly
>child-size organs can't quite keep up with adult-size frame
>tfw can never go to Earth
>pic related

>>14557797
I'd fuck that girl a million times, I'll tell you that much!

>>14557611
>A 30 day Mars stay is retarded because not only is Mars 7 months away by Hohmann transfer, to even do a 30 day surface stay you need to do an opposition class transfer which takes like 650 days round-trip. Imagine going to Mars and you spend less than 5% of your time away from Earth actually standing on Mars.
Think of the jobs it would create.

>>14557806
How many congressional districts does Mars have?

>>14557824
>>14557831
x-ref

>>14557731
It's trash. The animation is okay, but the characters and plot are run of the mill, unwatchable anime garbage.

>>14557756
Avoid (you)s report and move on

>The only manned space telescope
Not really. It was a radio antenna attached to a station. Lots of telescopes have been attached to stations, such as the Skylab ATM or NICER on the ISS.

>>14557788
Go back

>>14557875
>manned space telescope
Boy do I love vibrations in my telescope data

>2039+ NTP Mars mission requiring 3 SLS launches and 18 New Glenn launches.
NASA actually paid Aerojet to come up with this shit, lmao

>>14557892
Go back

>>14557897
Go back

>>14557897
>>14557892
>>14557788
Just fuck already

>>14557900
Ménage à trois?

>>14557806
A 7 month transfer seems absolutely ridiculous for a crewed mission. It doesn't seem worth it unless they can get the travel time down to less than 2 months.

>>14557897
Go Back

why doesnt spacex just launch

>>14557911
not that easy in FAAgetry

>So if N is between 600 and 6,000, the specific impulse will increase by a factor of 5.57 to 17.35. With a basic NERVA having a specific impulse of about 800 seconds, a pulsed version would have instead 4,460 to 13,880 seconds!
>The wiki math that estimates ~13k seconds Isp as the maximum is wrong. The math assumes cylindrical fuel geometry like a standard NERVA, but the paper's abstract says it has to be thin sheets. Money quote: "In addition, thin geometries of the fuel are mandatory to keep intimate content with the quenching coolant."
>If pulsing a cylindrical fuel element can get ~10,000s Isp, thin linear sheets probably can get 100x better due to more neutron contact, which would validate the "better Isp than a fission fragment" claim.
>Plugging that into the rocket equation, you get ~6,800km/s delta-V with a mass ratio of 2, and the possibility of high thrust, which is definitely a torch ship, albeit not one that can do a 1G brachistochrone to Pluto

>Unoptimized geometry PNTR can do 5.5x to 17.3x better than NTR, and optimized PNTR can potentially do 550x to 1730x better than NTR
>Literally a torch drive, plus we already have nuclear fuels that would naturally pulse due to large prompt neutron absorption coefficients at high temperatures, meaning pulse rate is limited only by the ability to pull out and reject waste heat through high temperature radiators
>at pulse frequency of several Hz the resulting thrust is pretty indistinguishable from continuous thrust at high Isp, and pulse frequency of over 100 Hz should not be difficult to achieve
wtf I love pulsed nuclear thermal rockets now

I WANT TO RIDE THE ORBITAL BAGUETTE

>>14557920
>NTR

>>14557589
Yes. There's a comic DC 1,000,000 with the interstellar Barman.

>>14557943
quick rundown?

>>14557948
>young french startup
>wants to make hybrid (solid/liquid) rocket engines that don't suck
>all they've done so far is some engine tests
>their planned rockets are called Orbital Baguette

>>14557920
oh hey someone greentexted one of my posts

>>14557906
A ~90 to ~120 day Mars transfer is achievable both by chemical and solid core NTP, although the free return is worse and with aerobraking the entry velocity would be quite high. 60 days would be very difficult to achieve, and shorter than this the delta-v required goes up to the point where sci-fi tier technology would be required.

>>14557529
Thoughts? It seems to be for the future Sino-Russian Moon base

When you think about it, you realize that commercial Starship is not real yet.

New analysis from our space nigga
https://youtu.be/UBAM_-y6jsc

>>14557967
>It seems to be for the future Sino-Russian Moon base
not really, it's stand-alone

>>14557982
my youtuber could totally lynch your youtuber
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTJUZXFz67Y

>>14557960
I copy pasted those sections directly from projectrho

>>14557920
The technical challenges?

>>14557906
>7 months there - 2 years exploring - 7 months back
No problem whatsoever, Captain James Cook would call you a sodomite

>>14557982
thanks for sharing
great observations

>>14557967
>Thoughts?
China doesn't care that SBSP will be uneconomical, it's development will pay dividends as they apply the technology to other areas like weaponry or propulsion. Laser energy transmission is far more useful for the Moon than it is for Earth as the 14 day long lunar night means a solar power system must have stupid amounts of energy storage.

>>14557959
There's German startup working on hybrid rockets as well

>>14558040
>>14557959
>hybrid rockets

>>14558043
>frogposter

>the Fr*nch

>>14558040
Must be something contagious running around Europe. The Bongs are working on a hybrid rocket too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4iekp6MHTXk

>>14557896
What is this slide from?

>>14558059
https://sci-hub.se/https://arc.aiaa.org/doi/10.2514/6.2020-3850

https://twitter.com/thesheetztweetz/status/1534925746463973379
>NASA's Inspector General findings from its audit of Bechtel's contract for Mobile Launcher 2, which supports the SLS Block 1B rocket.
>The agency expects to spend ~$1 billion more than planned, with final delivery "at least 2.5 years" late in Oct. 2025

Fucking shameful.

>>14558049

>>14558009
Almost totally confined to handling and rejecting the waste heat.
To run a pulsed NTR that produced the same thrust as a NERVA engine you would need a radiator with a surface temperature of around 1500 kelvin that was about 400 square meters in area, running lithium coolant. You'd likely also want to use the lithium to preheat the liquid hydrogen propellant into a supercritical fluid that would then blow over a turbine (to spin the various pumps) then exhaust directly into the reactor core, where the temperature would be increased via neutron heating from ~1000K to >10,000 K. The additional heat pulled from the lithium right before it reentered the core would increase its efficiency as a coolant while also slightly cutting down on the required high temperature radiator panel area.
We would need pumps and valves and radiators that can run liquid lithium through them for long time periods without corrosion or degradation. We would need reactor core geometries and materials that allow for high lithium flow rates and passthrough of extremely hot hydrogen gas. We would likely benefit from some amount of electromagnetic shielding of physical components, if the hydrogen is hot enough to be a plasma. Radiation fields around the engine are gonna be really high, higher than standard NTR for a given thrust output. As with most reactors, shutdown is easy, but cold startup is harder (especially with a hot coolant like molten lithium), so orbital maneuvers after long periods of coasting are going to require a lot more management of different systems.

I thought Starbase built a air condenser for the oxygen and nitrogen. Why do they still need all these trucks?

>>14558069
absolutely repulsive image, never post again

>>14558078
because it's a scam

>>14558065
Bechtel screwed the pooch:
>In the nearly
3 years since NASA awarded the ML-2 contract, Bechtel has experienced numerous challenges, resulting
in projected costs more than doubling to $960.1 million and the delivery schedule slipping at least
2.5 years to October 2025. NASA finds itself in this precarious position because the contractor severely underestimated the scope and complexity of the project, from labor hours to material and equipment
costs to subcontracting. Moreover, the contractor’s reluctance to utilize NASA expertise, failure to track
risks, challenges with managing the launcher’s weight, and lack of certified EVMS will likely continue to
impact the contractor’s cost, schedule, and performance.

>>14558065
This might sound retarded but why are they even making a second mobile launch tower if they already have one and assuming everything goes well the SLS won't have a launch cadence greater than one per year?

>>14558090
It's a blessing if it weighs on Congress in favor of cancelling SLS entirely.

>>14558078
cheaper to buy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOv4JbmKv6g

can anons watch for longer than my record 8 seconds?

>>14557920
WE HAVE THE TECHNOLOGY

>>14558092
redundancy

>>14558092
The first one is a modified tower for the Ares I and is too small for SLS with the Block IB's upper stage.

>>14558103
The only way I'd watch a stream of a work site is if it was a twitch tier femoid stream with starship in the background

>>14558097
SLS is what keeps congress interested in the Artemis program. If it dies then there will e no Moon or Mars landings.

hmmm

>>14558053
I feel like hybrids rockets should have been a thing already, but never got the chance for some reason
not sure if they ever will
They are kinda like wankel engine in a way - many apparent advantages and yet nobody uses them (except Mazda I guess)

Why is the Starship programme so much less risk averse than Falcon 9 was

>>14558124
>programme
fuck off nigel

>>14558124
they in a hurry

>>14558120
>SLS is what keeps congress interested in the Artemis program.
true
>If it dies then there will e no Moon or Mars landings.
No congress-controlled Moon/Mars landings, anyway. Won't stop other entities from doing it.
In my opinion SLS will barely be used to land people on the Moon whatsoever, IF ever, anyway. Certainly never Mars.

>>14558123
Many apparent advantages except under closer scrutiny they aren't advantageous at all.
>>14558124
Starship isn't launching commercial payloads on prototype rockets. Falcon 9 needed to be a very reliable launch vehicle while also figuring out booster landings. It managed to achieve this, but don't forget that while it was performing flawlessly during launch the boosters were crashing during landing attempts left and right.

Help me out with my pet project bois

I'm brainstorming a fully reusable ultra-heavy launch system that combines ideas from the SpaceX Starship and Lockheed Venture Star. My goal is 500 metric tonnes to LEO in a 10m x 10m x 50m payload bay.

I figured something like this would be ideal for deploying an interplanetary nuclear-thermal transfer vehicle in a single launch.

Unlike the Venture Star, my design isn't a true SSTO; it's assisted by two strap-on boosters that self recover by propulsive landing. Meanwhile the winged orbiter self-recovers by gliding back and landing on a runway.

>>14558103
Mute button m8

>>14558147
You've posted this before

>>14558122
I guess it's an improvement over the old one lol

>>14558147
500 tons is insane

>>14558145
>Starship isn't launching commercial payloads on prototype rockets. Falcon 9 needed to be a very reliable launch vehicle while also figuring out booster landings. It managed to achieve this, but don't forget that while it was performing flawlessly during launch the boosters were crashing during landing attempts left and right.
its hilarious that some retards think that instantly after the first starship gets to orbit, then all other rockets get instantly shut down and everyone will launch every payload with starship and it will cost like 1 dolar per 1000 tons to orbit

>>14558124
>less risk averse than Falcon 9 was
Starship isn't risk averse at all if they had full approval to test how ever and when ever they wanted we would have probably seen two full stacks disintegrated by now

>>14558078
spacex does whatever is cheaper
trucks are cheaper

>>14558147
>that combines ideas from the SpaceX Starship and Lockheed Venture Star
>picrel
it's just a fucking space shuttle kill yourself

>>14558065
Space is hard and pandemic, please understand

Why arent there more space launch sites in the middle of the country? China and Russia has tons of rocket facilities in the interior of their countries

There isnt a lot of coast that could be good room for new facilities without having to go through environmental processes like whats going on at Boca Chica

>>14558179
>spacex does whatever is cheaper
does whatever is cheper in the long run. Its cheaper to use disposable rockets, and its even cheaper to put 100% of the money in us goverment bonds and leave out just enough for porn and videogames, you can eat from the trash

>>14558192
Because the US doesn't have vast stretches of uninhabited land.
>>14558195
seething

>>14558181

Nigga I went out of my way to avoid the design elements that made the STS program a miserable failure:

>liquid hydrogen fuel
>solid boosters with rubber o-ring joints
>hyperbolic orbital maneuvering system
>insanely expensive and complex main engines (that would be necessary for liquid hydrogen fuel)
>paper mache thermal protection system that can be compromised by being hit by a piece of fucking styrofoam

I wanted the orbiter to return by glide back because I thought it would be too large and too awkwardly shaped to perform a propulsive landing.

>>14558203
>two sidemount boosters
I think you might be retarded.

>>14558195
>Its cheaper to use disposable rockets
No it isn't.

>>14558203
>I wanted the orbiter to return by glide back because I thought it would be too large and too awkwardly shaped to perform a propulsive landing.
That's quitter talk.

>>14558147
>my design isn't a true SSTO; it's assisted by two strap-on boosters
>the winged orbiter
holy shit go shove a Space Transportation System up your asshole if you love it so much
you must return to nasaspaceflight.com immediately

>>14558216
in the short run yes.
this is an objectively undeniable fact of reality that you dont know because you dont know logic

Le cost of le using disposable rockets:
"cost"

Le cost of le using reusable rockets:
"cost" plus "research price"

no matter what you do, no matter what yout hink, that is objectivley undeniable logic. I won and mam the best feorever and you lose and deserve to be punished for eternity for your sins of being inferior and daring to speak up to a superior

>>14558230
You spelled "am" wrong.

>>14558103
I failed the 1 second challenge

>>14558231

>>14558235
>>14558230
maam

>>14558207

*Two side-mounted methalox boosters that self-recover by propulsive landing

>>14558240
this is you btw

>>14558230
stop schizoposting, retard

>>14558235
im using advanced harvardoxford sorbone poetry science superiority. Of course you never heard of it, oh yeah go ahead and "google it" bwahahahhahahahahahahaha its dleicious to speak to people who could devote their whole life to improving and owuldnt be better at a single task than i was at to from 12 years old bwhaha poetry masteprotery
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>>14558238

>>14558245
lol stop tis the ai am no no no no is tjhe. Your only thoguht is to question, when you should be obeying O H HOW INFERIOR ALL OF YOU ARE, ALL
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>straitjacket_and_net_in_alleyway.jpg

Spacex bros... Not like this

>>14558231
>>14558238
>>14558254
looks cool.

>>14558263
Muskbros I dont feel so good

>>14558263
>Falcon 1 intended to be the Falcon 9 of the future
Least delusional muskrat

Thoughts on Anton Petrov? I've seen him mentioned here before and youtube really wants me to watch him. It's supposed to be a science channel but looks more like sensationalist popsci shit.

>>14557929
good thing SpaceX have their own independent mars plans then, because if we were relying on NASA we would have a 20 man permanent outpost on mars by 2070 in the absolute best timeline

>>14558302
the likeliest outcome would be another 1 lesbian, 1 black quadruple amputee flyby

>>14558297
Seems a fine chap, but I think most of the videos he puts up could be just a few minutes long instead of >10m for the mandatory youtube ads thing or however it works nowadays. It's not too bad but the topics are sometimes a little too hypothetical (like dark matter popping up every week, no substance in any of that but mostly speculation)

Here's Vulcan

>>14558297
name seems to suggest he's russian, and with the look he gives off he seems be like the average russian, conniving, decieving and a liar, everytime youtube suggested him it looked like an indian bot generated video

>>14558327
Vulcan's real.

>New RSS/RP1 career
>Going great, Mars and Venus flyby probes
>First human in orbit launches
>Everything is going great
>Accidentally detach heatshield on re entry
>Alan Shepard turns into ash
Time to restart lol

>>14558306
No, that's ESA's plans

>>14558297
He's literally pumping out rambling popsci articles with some pretty graphics. He's cool, I like him nonetheless, no matter how bad the resulting quality is, feels better than the "impersonal" ones that are just reading. I like putting him in the background.

>>14558354
nuggets are in fact the ideal crew members for flybys since they minimize mass and have lower basal metabolic rates
presumably they would have lower life support requirements if they were also comatose, but I haven't been able to access the ESA research on it

rolling back fast. off to get some raptors

>>14558069
what anime?

>>14558427
Boku no Kaeru

>>14558069

>>14558297
He links to the papers he talks about which puts him well ahead of the pop sci pack

>>14558306
just 11 years to wait now

>>14558427
Boku no Battletoads Black

>>14558306
>Quadruple amputee

There’s speculation that SpaceX’s first Mars mission will be a “probable” one way trip, in that because a lot of return infrastructure needs to be set up by people, there’s a good chance the crew won’t be able to return for several years.

Also doing some simple math, if we assume a person needs 1000 kilos of supplies per year (mainly food), we can infer that a single landed Starship can probably support 150 people for a year. We can also assume that cargo trips to mars require 7 or so launches (1 cargo, 6 tankers). So this means supporting 150 people takes 7 launches.

Even if we’re conservative and assume 1 Starship flies to orbit per week - current F9 cadence - then SpaceX will still be able to support a colony of over a thousand on the surface of Mars.

>>14558472
why anybody would give this basketcase nutjob a military cyborg body is beyond my comprehension.

>>14558040
shame. Germany could develop a starship style rocket in a year if it really tried

>>14558495
>There’s speculation that SpaceX’s first Mars mission will be a “probable” one way trip, in that because a lot of return infrastructure needs to be set up by people, there’s a good chance the crew won’t be able to return for several years.
In my personal opinion this is a bullshit opinion based on "things are hard" thinking. All Starship needs to do to be able to set up propellant reserves on Mars such that the first human missions will have enough to go back to Earth is first of all, bring enough methane directly to Mars (it's only ~2 Starship payload's worth), and secondly deploy some ROSAs and starting compressing CO2 and splitting it into oxygen, then liquify that oxygen. In the first or second uncrewed cargo landing waves, you send along two methane-carrying Starships and around 4 big-MOXIE Starships and have each vehicle unroll its solar panels and switch on ISRU. No ice mining needed, no inter-Starship physical connections needed.

>>14558079
London?

>>14558052
I got sick like this once.

>>14558460
>worst possible rocket
>worst possible waste of money and resources
>worst possible mission
I am agnostic about the existence of God, but I see conclusive evidence that Satan is real and in control of the US congress

>>14558509
God no, luckily I'm not from those wretched islands, I'd hate to have a crooked face and speak unintelligible nonsense and unintelligible nonsense only

>>14558517
>I am agnostic about the existence of God, but I see conclusive evidence that Satan is real and in control of the US congress
I am starting to feel the same way, that real evil exists and has taken over most of the politicians, not just in the US government, but most western countries and China also.

>>14558520
the origin of that meme was in London, Ontario btw
image for spaceflight

>>14558495
What about launch windows?

Mars transit will look more like an armada every two years than a steady stream.

>>14557589
Nigger

>>14557982
extremely high IQ and concentrated autism. no one comes even close.

>>14558527
It has been with us for millennia.

Landing pad is fucked.
What now?

>>14558565
>Landing pad

>>14558567
I don't get it.

>>14558565
I’m going to be honest, catching the Starships sounds so stupid. Booster makes sense but Starship too? No way.

I can't believe Elon said that. Starship will never get approval now.

>>14558581
Trust the plan.
-E

>>14558460
Apollo could have done a flyby of Venus but NASA won't let people have fun.

hop when?

>>14558598
Prolly NET August

>>14558335
Yes goy hating Russians is good

>>14558572
How's it going to land with no legs?

>>14558604
I hate how 4channers support Russia just because every else supports Ukraine. Contrarianism is a disease

>>14558472
imagine wasting all that payload mass on metal

>>14558181
>>14558229

Winged orbiters are not an inherently damned concept. The stigma attached to them is the result of Nixon marketing the Space Shuttle to the public as being able to so things it was never intended to do. Cheap, rapid reusability was the last thing on the designers minds; the system's real (secret) purpose was to yoink soviet satellites out of orbit. The Soviets themselves realized this which is why they scrambled to build their own copy (the Buran).

You do not have to be a spaceflight enthusiast while at the same time worshiping Musk like the goddamn Jamestown Cult. The Starship is a promising concept but has yet to be able to prove itself as capable of surviving re-entry and landing the same way it did with it's hop tests. It is also unlikely to ever be human rated because of depending entirely on its engines for landing.

>>14558581
I was going to write how insane catching the Starship is, but then I reminded myself of previous Starship landings. During the last part, Starship is flying vertically, obviously, and if you're flying vertically, it's basically the same as flying the Booster. What poses risk is a failed flip manoeuvre. If it goes wrong, Ship can fall on various places, like tank farm, tower or the launch table. But will that cause more damage that failed Booster, which carries much more fuel? I doubt.
https://youtu.be/xWwIJlfb-Q0?t=98

>>14558605
You can weld the legs on at any time.

>>14558608
Imagine that there are more than two possibilities, you dumbfuck. "You don't need to mindlessly hate Russia because that's what social media told you" is not the same thing as "You must mindlessly support Russia because it's the opposite of what social media told you"

Try to think a little more when you're criticizing others.

>>14558616
Note that winged boosters and stages are also technologically “easier” to make. If you’re into Alternate History, a winged stage is more likely to appear decades before self-landing rockets

A shrink ray would be a boon to human spaceflight, why isn't Elon working on one?

>>14558495
As crazy as that sounds I could believe it.
Once Musk has a reliable amount of launches going his goal is to build a colony not do science missions after all. So if there's a couple dozen people willing to give it their all, then there's a real possibility of a one way pioneer mission.

>>14558625
Oh, right, you're one of those totally neutral freethinkers. People hate Russia because they started a war in Europe, social media is not as relevant as you may think.

>>14558625
>>14558631
>>>/pol/

>>14558614
burn victim bimboification?

>>14558635
Spaceflight has always been connected with politics.

>>14558627
>you were robbed of this

>>14558616
>It is also unlikely to ever be human rated because of depending entirely on its engines for landing.
How do you land on the moon with wings?

>>14558636
Some kind of deep tissue infection, actually

>>14558616

>Winged orbiters are not an inherently damned concept.

>>14558053
don't forget about the leafs
>>14558123
traditional single port hybrids are pretty shit

>>14558647

>we didn't get the timeline with ass-eating shuttles

>>14558147
This has been retarded every single time you've posted it

>>14558565
>landing pad
Where we're going, we dont need landing pads. They're now fully comitted to catching.

>>14558664
eating ass is a common earther tactic

“Under the wide and starry sky
Dig the grave and let me lie
Glad I live and gladly die
And I laid me down with a will
This be the voice your hear for me:
“Here he lies where he longed to be”
Home is the sailor, home from the sea
And the hunter, home from the hill

https://www.relativityspace.com/glhf
>just 85% 3d printed
>that fairing
pathetic
should be fun regardless though

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9NjQe2t3EY
meanwhile at Kodiak

>>14558065
Lmao
And nasa shills said the second tower would be cheaper!

>>14558147

>interplanetary nuclear-thermal transfer vehicle

Why won't this meme go away?

>>14558591
Their proposed launch trajectory intersected a coronal mass ejection. Imagine dying of Chernobyl style radiation souping inside Skylab on TVI.

>>14558631
>Started

War is diplomacy by other means

>>14558791
It’s kind of cool how For All Mankind incorporated this into the story

>>14558794
Was that the CME that fucked up Molly Cobb? The high energy particles hitting the lunar dust like raindrops looked cool, though I have no idea if it'd actually look like that for real.

>>14558791
Fortune favors the bold.

>ABOUT 1% OF METER-SIZED HAZARDOUS BOLIDES ARE INTERSTELLAR!
>And, among the superbolides produced by Solar System bodies, not all are sporadic: a 16% are linked with meteoroid streams and about a 10% with NEOs! Read here our new paper accepted by The Astronomical Journal
https://twitter.com/RedSpmn/status/1535013951594979336
https://arxiv.org/abs/2206.03115

>>14558835
How do they rule out planet nine

>>14558327
I was there a few months ago. Regardless of what you think about ULA, that factory is an amazing place.

https://youtu.be/qPQ05LWB0s0
aliems

how long will it take to install the raptors? do they even have enough at the production site?

>>14558850
2 weeks

>>14558835
>aliens could be launching projectiles at us and we have no way of knowing or stopping them
what are we even doing? we're blowing $800 billion on ukraine when the spacebugs could wipe us out in an instant.

>>14558846
Any actual interesting info or at least a link to the study?
Not listening to a 50-minute phone call for nothing.

what happened to this guy? does he not make these anymore?

>>14558860
This is the last update they made, probably because nothing has happened

385 second firing of a Raptor Vacuum
>https://mobile.twitter.com/nextspaceflight/status/1535069267741114369?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

https://arstechnica.com/science/2022/06/nasas-second-mobile-launcher-is-too-heavy-years-late-and-pushing-1-billion/

PORK PORK

>>14558123
The American Rocket Company tried it with the Aquila back in the early 90s, but the small launch market wasn't what it is today so when they got screwed over by a few technical failures during development there wasn't a big pile of SPAC money to keep them afloat. There was also some talk about building REALLY big hybrids to replace the shuttle SRBs after Challenger but NASA decided it was more efficient to just build more safety into normal solids and just eat whatever risk was left.

Hybrids are a lot simpler than liquid engines to engineer, so you should be able to get them to the pad quicker with a smaller R&D budget, but making bipropellant engines isn't the Herculean task it was considered back in the day. Most companies just chose to spend a little more money and time so they can take advantage of higher performance later on. The big issue these days is that its hard as hell to build reuse into something that also includes solid fuel.

>>14558618
What the fuck were they thinking building the tank farm LITERALLY right next to the launch pad.

>>14558970
They were thinking more than which is exactly why you're confused fagboy.

>>14558852
I'm from Buenos Aires and I say kill em all.

space force organization chart (by available patches)

its fucking dead today

Ship 24 raptors will be installed for a possible static fire next week

>>14558970
If shit's gonna explode you might as well go all-in.

https://www.politico.eu/article/elon-musk-ukraine-starlink/

>>14559071
you're dead, anon

With Starlink V2 being larger and more capable, does that mean they need less satellites?

https://www.pcmag.com/news/dish-feuds-with-spacex-over-starlink-dishes-being-used-on-moving-boats

Dish network complaining to FCC that Starlink works on top of a moving car/boat.

>>14559071
unannounced indo-pacific command space forces. this is one of the actual units that would be fighting space-to-space with china.

>>14559101
>“Starlink ESIMs (Earth stations in motion) may activate Starlink beams in areas where satellites would not otherwise have been active, threatening satellite television customers in the area,” the company added.
holy shit that is the biggest load of cope ever
don't they realize eventually beams will be fucking everywhere?

>>14559101
What a weird fucking take. Its already happening. In real time over the pond in Ukraine in the middle of a fucking war. Of course it works in a mobile vehicle. If it works there, even if Musk said nothing, actions of the users of Starlink would violate the rules of the commission anyway. Dish's argument is valid semantically, but is mostly invalid in context of the larger ecosystem behavior--and in general, is just saber rattling because it invalidates their entire business model. Dish more than likely makes a significant chunk of revenue through installation of their hardware satellite dishes onto homes and getting access to their service does require you to be rooted in place. Starlink basically inherently says "that's fucking stupid, why would you." And proves to the contrary how antiquated their business model is.

The success of Starlink is going to completely disrupt the ISP industry where many subsidiaries of major ISP corps are basically going to be pointless. In a way that will be a good thing, because it will allow those corps to trim the fat; but at the same time, it'll be painful until that transition happens and old guard are notorious for fighting against change--especially when their annual bonuses are riding on it.

>>14559107
I call bullshit. Looks like a fan made patch.

>>14559113
the argument is they don't have legal permission yet
the fact you need legal permission in the first place is fucking stupid

>>14559118
only thing i got going for it besides that

>Space Force...will seek to establish component commands first at those combatant commands where the threat to the U.S. homeland is most acute, namely INDOPACOM, U.S. European Command, and U.S. Central command. U.S. Cyber Command would follow
https://www.airforcemag.com/space-force-prepares-for-decision-on-indo-pacific-command-service-component/

>>14559107
>>14559118
>>14559120
It's turbo-bullshit. There is no regional Command structure in the organization of the USSF. They might give such a thing a Delta, but Delta IX - Orbital Warfare - is all encompassing on that front.

>>14559120
Even if the link claims that such a thing were to be done, there's no way that patch is credible. Especially since it doesn't follow the design philosophy of the rest of Space Force logos and patches. Having a consistent design philosophy across your force branch is important. Hell that's design fucking 101 anon. That "patch" doesn't follow any of it.

>>14559125
It's not a patch badge, but a Field Command - of which there are three for the USSF:
>Space Operations Command
>Space Systems Command
>Space Training and Readiness Command

>>14559124
>United States Army Pacific, United States Marine Corps Forces Pacific, United States Pacific Fleet, United States Pacific Air Forces
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Indo-Pacific_Command

????????????????

>>14559133
That's a unified combat command, which is not part of the branch structure.

>>14559128
HOW?! There's no designation on the "patch" indicating its any of that. Its so generic, I could make that shit up drunk.

After playing KSP Realism Overhaul, i have come to the conclusion that it actually isnt that easy in rocketry.

>>14559149
It wasn't that easy even in vanilla. Getting to orbit is pretty easy, docking in orbit is hard. Building complex structures in orbit is even harder. Realism Overhaul just takes a high skill ceiling and shanks you if you don't understand orbital physics even at a basic level.

>>14557929
>The total time off Earth with an opposition transfer is 2/3 that of a conjunction, it's a substantial difference in radiation exposure which is why NASA has chosen it.
Will this meme ever die? The radiation exposure is on par, if not worse. NASA used to prefer conjunction transfers in their manned Mars mission architecture but then they finally had to acknowledge that it could be done by chemical propulsion within two decades so in their everlasting quest to do everything in the worst way possible or not at all, they've been investigating opposition transfers and old space is chomping at the bit to turn NTP into the new SLS.
>oh but the extra habitation mass, the extra supplies needed to stay on Mars more than 30 days!
Funny that this usually gets brought up but not the fact that an opposition transfer needs 2-3x the amount of delta-v so far more mass is required overall. Not to mention it would require a separate lander. Fuck anyone who supports this.

>>14559142
I'm saying that it's bullshit because they're asserting an entire secret Field Command.

>>14559136
that's what im saying. the space force will send personnel to indopaccom and their unit will be called ussf indo pacific

Why are they building a little shed? That's not a factory.

Nothing happened today?

>>14559225
S24 rollback happened but nobody cared

what's taking them so long to do the next SLS wet dress rehearsal now that the rocket+launch pad rolled out? it's just pumping some cryogenics. Surely it's not that hard in GSEry?

>>14559149
>>14559154
>Realism Overhaul just takes a high skill ceiling
Mostly this, also MechJeb takes some time to figure out and even then it still manages to shit itself at the most inopportune times. Once you learn how to play and learn everything stock KSP doesn't teach you, it's only really hard if you play as intended and bet the farm trying to beat the US/Russia historical spaceflight accomplishments without reverting from failed launches. Beyond that it's just time consuming as you need to develop infrastructure and do refueling since RO/RP-1 doesn't have engines that are both high thrust and high specific impulse, just like real life.

>>14558958
>Bechtel using the ol' covid delay bullshit
>NASA didn't finalise the requirements prior to awarding contract
>cost++++
>final cost of tower over a billion
>only silver lining is that Artemis 1 to 3 are delayed and
Artemis 4 won't fly by 2026
What an absolute shit show, lmao

>>14559237

>>14559225
Nothing happens anymore. Spaceflight is dead

>>14559240
I grow ever more convinced that NASA contracts are a major source of funding for DoD black projects via wacky accounting

Hey guys, I'm back to /sg/ after 3 years! So how far along is BFR? this year we launch to Mars right?

>>14559249
FAA delay for a year

>>14559245
Bechtel must be some kind of a front to syphon funds because they seem to know how to get away with every time. Joking aside, deep down I know that congressmen are getting rich from this, and they will blame both NASA and Bechtel, while keeping them both around without making any amends, so fucking depressing.

>>14559237
>Surely it's not that hard in GSEry?
Maybe we need a GSEHound to help us with that.

>>14559249
Slow and steady, anon.

>>14559271
gradatim felocity

>>14559272
This is ULA territory now.

>>14557896

>>14557896
>>14559276
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>14559271
THIS IS NEVER LIFTING OVER
SCREEN CAP THIS.

https://polarisprogram.com/polaris-dawn-mission-updates/

>> Highest Altitude

>Targeting an apogee of ~1,400 kilometers, this Dragon mission will take advantage of Falcon 9 and Dragon’s maximum performance, endeavoring to fly higher than any Dragon mission to date and farther than humans have traveled since the end of the Apollo program in 1972. Falcon 9 will launch Dragon and the crew from Launch Complex 39A at NASA’s Kennedy Space Center in Florida to an elliptical orbit with an apogee of ~1,200 kilometers and perigee of 190 kilometers (1,200 x 190 km). After verification of a healthy vehicle, Dragon’s Draco engines will fire to raise the spacecraft’s apogee to an altitude of ~1,400 kilometers, where Dragon will remain for several orbits before lowering to a coasting elliptical orbit of ~700 x 190 km for the remainder of the mission.

>>Crew Training

>The Polaris Dawn crew began training in May in California, kicking off the start of their mission with two days of basic medical and scuba training to learn skills that will help the crew communicate during the first commercial space walk. Non-verbal communication and buddy support skills used in scuba are comparable to communication skills used during extravehicular activities (EVAs). The crew spent the first day in a pool refreshing themselves on basic diving skills before completing off-shore dives at Catalina, where they started to get comfortable with uncomfortable situations while also adapting to physiological responses due to changes in pressure.

>>14559289

>>14559275
Official language: parseltongue

>>14559276
NIGGER we are never doing any of these designs. They would have to start from now like SLS

>>14559120
The space force is a point less branch of the military

>>14559307
it exists because the existing branches are so fucked up that a straight forward reorganization of personnel saves billions of dollars a year

>>14559271
Why is it so hard to tile those ring sections?

>>14559307
WRONG, there's one right at the top of their insignia

>>14559316
They're looking great. Much smoother than even Ship 20. The unfinished parts will be done now that it's in the Highbay.

>>14559289
>relying on the Draco engines
They are fucked

>>14559327
Hello Boeing shill

>>14559330
>Leaks hydrazine into your crew cabin
>refuses to explain
>explodes

>>14559338
Tell me Boeing shill, how did Crew 1-3 not rely on the Draco thrusters?

>>14559343
I'm just meming, it's not even the same thruster that caused that explosion

>>14559348
The explosion was not caused by a thruster at all.

>>14559327
>Perigee 190 km
If they fail, they're going to be coming down in a few days anyway.

>>14559338
>>14559348
>SpaceX said the most likely cause of the explosion was when a “leaking component” allowed nitrogen tetroxide (NTO) oxidizer into helium tubes during processing. When the system was pressurized just before the planned ignition, a “slug” of NTO was driven at high speed into a titanium check valve, causing structural failure of the valve and igniting it, triggering the explosion.
SpaceX scrapped propulsive landing for Dragon and now the Super Dracos will only get used if there is a launch abort. Draco is RCS thruster tier, only 400 N

>>14557731
On a scale of Star Wars to Orbiter, how hard is the sci-fi?

>>14559392
where did you get that picture?? I know a guy named james whitehead that looked like that

>>14559398
This got posted on /sfg/ ages ago

>>14558614
>we put the legs on backwards, as a joke

>https://ig.ft.com/space-debris/
Seems space debris myth is growing up to be the next boogeyman of space exploration by media and uneducated people with little knowledge of orbital mechanics or with certain agendas. It's over for musk-a-vicious

>>14558591
If they had the funding it'd have happened, sadly the government never cared about space exploration, just about their dick measuring contests

>>14559392
Hard. At most they have a semi mcguffin fusion drive that'll take a ship 9 years to Jupiter or whatever it was. It's been a while since I watched/read it.

>>14559392
Orbiter/10

>>14559392
they have some near-future type stuff but it's pretty hard, physics and orbital mechanics and all that stuff applies
the main issue is the the generic anime characters and tropes that pull you out of the hard scifi

>>14558787
Because it's the better pick considering tech that actually exists

>>14558614
https://youtu.be/WyK7lX4sk0c?t=2

Jeff should stop give money to BO and start over from scratch with a new organization. Walk away Jeff.

>>14559101
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1535145201903312896
holy shit elon just completely fucked himself over
its OVER

https://twitter.com/LaurieofMars/status/1535018495775154176
>So proud of the @NASAJPL Ingenuity Mars Helicopter team, winner of the #CollierTrophy of the @NatlAero Association. Really the highest honor in aerospace innovation. Thrilled to celebrate them (and sorry I couldn’t be there!). Go team! Exemplar of #DareMightyThingsTogether!

sn24 rolled back for repairs.....

>>14559392
I NEED an SLS scale model, but with the original paint job, do those exist?

>>14559540
ITS OVER

>>14559551
try these
https://acrylicosvallejo.com/en/product/hobby/model-color-en/white-70951/
https://acrylicosvallejo.com/en/product/hobby/model-color-en/black-70950/

>>14558787
It gets double the isp of a comparable LH2 engine, that's basically all there is to it

wait WAIT
the second launch tower hasn't even started construction yet? and its already cost 1.5 billion?
what in the fuck

>>14559596
it ain't that easy in expendable launch towery

>>14559596
WE. ARE. GOING. OVER. BUDGET.

>>14559149
>>14559154
>>14559238
Never played RSS/RO more than 2 hours, mostly just 2.5x resize and rescale.
The same thing applies there, the one thing that you immediately realize is that having all the science equipment possible is a luxury of vanilla KSP.
My Duna mission only had 5 scientific instruments, and those were the lightest I could fit, since broadcast speeds are abysmal and you need to make the battery last. I will say that the challenge does make a lot of the missions far more rewarding. When you get to some far-away gas giant with a probe, it gives the feeling of true accomplishment

>>14559596
Steel is especially not cheap right now

>>14559623
ITS FUCKIN STEEL

>>14559623
have they even bought the steel yet?

>>14559623
true, the pandemic didn't help either.

>>14559617
looks like complete shit, what pride flag is that, overlaid on the clouds?

>>14559678
You made that joke the last time I posted that webm, come up with something new

>>14559697
>reposts the same garbage
>complains that people react similarly to it
kys yourself

>>14559701
Post something better or quiet down

>>14559705
me telling you to shut up is better content than screenshots from some shitty game

>>14559707
>simpleton rockets anon
I get it now

>>14559705
Stop reposting the same shit
>>14559707
Stop engaging him

>>14559709
what the fuck are you on about

>arouses seething among newfags

>>14559717
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqWmSEUV5jg
even a twelve (12) years old project made for free by some underpaid literal who looks and runs better than "baby's first unity game: now with broken space physics and piss poor joystick support!!"

>>14559717
It really seems to, yes

>"The Guppy was the single most important piece of equipment to put a man on the Moon in the decade of the 1960s." - Wernher von Braun
Yet no one is building heavy lift airships for spaceflight logistics...

>>14558175
you are dumb.

>>14559717
I've been here long before you, I've played this game in its alpha state and saw all the promises it made not being realized and all its potential ruined by incompetent devs. I wouldn't care if it was just shit, I care because it could have been so good.

>>14559741
Damn, that sucks. Check out this Moho flyby mission though

>>14559509
>twitter

>>14559760
Love how the UI mixes components of different styles as if the people that made this had no idea how to use their tools, better yet is how all of them look atrocio- *game crashes*

>>14559764
its modded

>>14559792
That's not an excuse, and it still looks like that unmodded (the right toolbar in particular really looks bolted on)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collier_Trophy
>2016 - The Blue Origin team for demonstrating rocket booster reusability with the New Shepard human spaceflight vehicle
how much did bezos pay for this?

>>14559764
It's called soul, you wouldn't understand

he did them

>>14559865
it's over

>>14559874
diet coke is absolutely disgusting. Only the full sugar version should ever be consumed. Diet Coke is an abomination

>>14559893
Diet coke is fine

>>14559893
Sugar-acid should be banned on Mars, I stopped drinking soda entirely after seven of my teeth disintegrated over the course of a year or so.
Do not bring poison to Mars.

https://mobile.twitter.com/Free_Space/status/1535226989359112194

> Our exclusive look behind the scenes at @spacex and how the company is pioneering reusability while maintaining safety/mission success.

https://aviationweek.com/defense-space/space/spacex-building-airline-type-flight-ops-launch

>>14558337
Are you using Launch Complexes?

>>14559540
>repairs
>being this stupid

The TROPICS-1 launch window opens Sunday!

>>14559736
No u

>>14559893
Diet coke is horrible.
They use outdated sweeteners on purpose because that's what diet coke drinkers are used to

>>14559874
oh no... he's lost his mind for real this time

>>14560012
Go back

>>14560012
good luck astra anon

>>14560012
nice

Musk really should hit the gym...

>>14560019
Go Back

>>14560019
Go back

>>14559245
it always was, but the majority is simply embezzled to congress critters and their friends the normal way

>>14560012
HOLY MOTHER OF CUTE

>>14560024
Yeah, he looks like he's pushing 275-300 lbs recently. Not good.

>https://youtu.be/x5DR7v04YnE

>>14560019
>>14560025
>>14560028
Notto diso shitto again

>>14560048
go

any raptors installed on 24 yet?

>>14559237
i'd give her a wet dress rehearsal

>>14560069
come and see

>>14560048
until the schizo 41%'s himself :)

>>14560069
It needs repairs...

>>14560100
It has already been repaired.

>>14560100
>it occured to me in a dream

>>14559701
>>14559707
>>14559724
>>14559741
>>14559764
What’s your problem with ksp

>>14560126
-looks like shit
-runs like shit
-broken keyboard input
-broken joystick input
-ui is garbage
-a billion parts of different sizes just mixed together in the VAB and you can't even tell what size they are just from their thumbnail, it was better whene there was fewer parts, they should have just made them tweakable
-the "offset" tool is just cheating/cope for the editor/node system being crap
-everything clips together
-physics sucks
-shits explodes for no reason
-you can just phase through planets
-carreer is unbalanced as fuck in terms of progression
-all of the actual "management" parts of the game feel rushed
-can't even change settings while in the game
-it really looks like complete dogshit and feels like a pile of trash barely holding together
tl;dr: it was great for an alpha, and then they decided to slap a "beta" quickly followed by a "released" sticker on top without really changing anything or polishing it and then they threw some garbage on top for a little while

>>14560143
Works on my machine

>>14560143
Better conclusion: gamedevs suck at making good software, but KSP is Boeing-tier

>>14560143
For what it offers, it’s amazing. It has more freedom than really any spaceflight game, ever, and has incredible mod support. It’s not perfect but there really isn’t an alternative that’s as big.

This guy used KSP + RSS to recreate the Constellation program’s mars plan. No other game offers this much freedom.

>>14560159
Yeah it's a great idea, but atrocious execution.

>>14560161
It has its issues but there are no other alternatives. I’m skeptical KSP2 will be “better” in any way but it supposedly won’t be held together by silly string and duct tape. Anyways it’s a lot of fun if you just accept some of the issues and let your imagination run wild. Mods help too

Is there any way DearMoon happens before Artemis II? If SpaceX wants, they can just launch a dragon to dock with the Starship to transfer crew.

>>14560177
No way, around Artemis II SpaceX will be testing their HLS, including the demonstration landing on the Moon. Then they'll be busy with Artemis III, so maybe after that.

>>14560177
>Is there any way DearMoon happens
no

>>14558043
it's a phase rocket engineers go through. They go in starry eyed, believing it gives them the best of both worlds, the simplicity of solids but controlable like liquids. They then give up jaded after a few years realizing it is the worst of both worlds: hard to manufacture like solids but still needing finicky tankage for the oxidizer, with the unique challenge of unpredictable fuel/oxidizer liquid/solid reaction surface.

https://youtu.be/1NXBnD0Cy30
LORI GARVER SOON, MARK YOUR CALENDARS
BASED LORI

SpaceX Nigga unironically has the best Starbase breakdowns of any youtuber

>>14560161
>>14560171
How hard would it really be to make an /sfg/ approved ksp? Reduce the scope of what it can do but make it do that really well.

>>14558604
>>14558625
i don't mindlessly hate russia, i hate them because their all aids ridden alcoholic krok monkeys and incapable of empathy or any human decency

>>>/v/601879962
/v/ is talking about space and starship
I can't be bothered replying anymore

I just want starship to launch already
I want it to be real already

>>14560430
I knew that it was one of you, fags.

>>14560430
Fuck off

>>14560384
What language would it be written in?
>inb4 S*pples

>>14560384
>Changeable UI
>Much better optimization, I don't need my PC turning into a boiler explosion when i launch a big ship
>kerbals can fuck
>mechjeb is basically built-in

>>14560384
When you consider that accurate flight modelling is something that costs thousands of dollars (the real world equivalent of KSP just for satellites is called STK and it is not cheap)

I'd say it would be very hard

>>14560484
>>14560384
If KSP had RSS built in already and was optimized for it, it would be perfect.

>>14560492
For what it offers, KSP is amazing. It has much better graphics than Orbiter (which is arguably the second best in the “genre”).

>>14560589
Have you seen the skybolt engine in open orbiter? It has volumetric clouds. It's going to be much better graphically in a few months. Matthew Reid is a national hero.

did we really drive this far away on the later moon landings?

>>14560604
yes. current day nasa cannot compete

>>14560589
Can KSP do this?
https://youtu.be/y8a3NUXOHkg

>>14560601
I’m excited mate. Orbiter is great. The “2001: A Space Oddity” expansion is cool.

>>14560604
They could’ve gone farther with pressurized rovers but Nixon was a cunt and cancelled AAP

>>14560589
>and was optimized for it
if KSP was optimized for anything it would be great

>>14560604
The whole story with the rovers is great, frankly it's amazing that it worked out as well as it did (it was apparently a very bumpy ride)

GM delivering ahead of schedule and under budget is perhaps the most unbelievable part of the whole story

Actually, funny that you mention it because look what news came out yesterday
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/06/09/gm-lockheed-take-lunar-rover-project-to-commercial-space-market.html

>>14560623
Isn’t the spaghetti code the reason KSP2 is being made instead of keeping KSP1 going forever?

>>14560604
That's what happens when you send humans up. Robo-rovers btfo again.

>>14560630
on paper yes, in reality, ksp2 will be just as infused with shitcode

>American and Soviet Post-Apollo Lunar plans
>Also some 1980’s Soviet stuff
Is there any way this would’ve happened that isn’t retarded like For All Mankind

>>14557731
Excellent if you can get past a few goofy scene and remember this is an ANIME. You are lucky they even animated a show not about a school boy fighting aliens.
Also the anime is surprisingly superior to the manga in almost every aspect. It even reuse some ideas in much better way.

>>14559392
You'll have an hard time finding harder science, you can yes, but are you going to snub it the next best?

Only complain would be the idea of having human to retrieve space garbage instead of robots, but some of the stuff they scavenge is definitely too complex to automate.

Wherever humans go, they make alcohol.
What would be the first alcohol on mars?
Take in to account that water is expensive resource, and making alcohol needs a lot of clear water.
My guess is some kind of vodka because you can make it from pretty much everything.
Making beer is too resource heavy.

>1975
>Russia’s TMK-1 swings past Mars on mankind’s first interplanetary voyage
>Alexei Leonov, veteran of the Soviet Moon landings, is a front runner for the following manned mission to the Martian surface by the mid 80’s

>>14560630
KSP is regularly cited as the limit of what's possible in a Unity engine game

I would not be shocked if Unity is customizing its engine just for KSP2

>>14560654
Nah, as soon as the US moon landings happened the Soviets gave up and went for orbital science instead. Without the Soviets the US lost interest in the Moon

Reagan promptly blew the space program budget on Star Wars instead

>>14560664
Unironically probably some clever botanist comes up with a pitch for biofuel on Mars and you get something wild made from sugar beets or potatoes. They're looking into algae sources too

>>14560674
The whole Post-Apollo era is just depressing for everyone involved. It would take a miracle for America to continue and an even bigger one for the Soviets to not quit

>>14560664
Water will not be scarce on Mars because you need gigagrams of the stuff for propellant production

musk tweet

>>14560629
The rover isn't complicated. Basically a folding go-kart with a lawn chair and antenna on it.

>>14559946
Anyone got an archive cache with full article? Or a screenshot?

It really is the strangest thing in human history that the Soviet Union's and the United States' space programs both collapsed and stagnated due to each other.
USSR gave up after N1 and the US lunar landings, while the US ended the lunar program because USSR gave up. It's strange and I wonder where it all really began. Was it Korolev's death? Feuds in the soviet space program, or the lack of political motivation in the US?

>>14559946
>while maintaining safety/mission success.
Speaking of that
>To date ULA has launched 150 times with 100 percent mission success.

>>14560861
Korolev's death definitely didn't help the soviets unfuck the N1
had he lived and fixed it, perhaps they could have pushed forward

>>14560861
It was doomed from the start. They only cared about national and military superiority. That's what always happens with Earth governments. Sooner or later they were gonna pull the plug.