/sci/ - Science & Math

musk is finished

>>14551905
Then wipe it off and get back to work.

Will it be good?

Will there be a resurgence in hard sci fi this coming decade? Especially with Artemis, starship, Mars mission, etc.

>>14551886
FTS Archive
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1KCJBL632oieD1r6JOh_5Eg9NTcf_-hH8?usp=sharing

>>14551910
>>14551910
Ryumin's interview for Tekhnika Molodezhi after his 185 day flight in 1980

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1oZk0_pXZZ_hq44edxwaXindLpC0s8ouR?usp=sharing

Nothing ever happens anymore.

>>14551928
Not true.

Vega-C maiden launch on 7th July

>>14551928
Capstone is coming up next week. Rocketlabs might launch another attempt soon too. SpaceX is putting up a satellite for Egypt tomorrow?

>>14551956
TROPICS-1 is NET the 12th.

Nilesat-301 on Falcon 9 tomorrow

>>14551945
>five stages AND a lubricated fairing

>>14551961
Bet on the failure of this one, or was the curse broken by that most recent launch? Nothing fucked up on that one, for once. No separation issue, the rocket didn't spin around, didn't powerslide off the pad, didn't fall back down, they finally got one. Will that success be the new trend, or a lucky fluke?

>>14551891
>if they kept scanning the sky with just ART-XC, the data would be lower quality and lacking that wavelenght
Most of the ART-XC papers don't use eRosita data, they are separate surveys. There's no reason they can't continue it alone.
Hijacking eRosita is a terrible move. The director of the IKI (which built ART-XC) has spoken out against doing this. He isn't stupid. What journal will let you publish data from a stolen instrument? No good ones.

>>14551972
For now, they're at 25% success rate. Last one didn't fail.

>>14551945
How’s the long term plan with Vega-C when the Avum+ engine might not be so plentiful in the future?
Hopefully ESA has some replacement under development

>>14551979
I guess it’s a Rogozin’s type of ”we don’t need you” move to play up for Putin. I doubt that he believes even half of the shit he’s said, but if it can get Roskosmos more funding then it’ll be worth it

>>14551982
They're making Vega E, where methalox M10 replaces solid both third stage and fourth stage (with Avum+).

>>14551972
Every even numbered LV so far has fucked up. LV0006 did the Kodiak drift and LV0008 was the backwards fairing release. If TROPICS-1 works and TROPICS-2 works the curse is broken by having three consecutive good launches.

More tests

>>14551992
It's not going to get them more funding. What it will do is throw away their greatest scientific resource: international collaboration. They can't afford to do anything by themselves any more but they can build buses and operate missions. They also have little experience building state of the art instruments. This will kill Spectr-UV (World Space Observatory).

It will also be a mark against any Russian astronomers who work with the stolen data. At the moment they can claim to be a bystander, not it they start this shit.

>>14551886
Anyone excited for the new season of For All Mankind? Aside from the Paedophile/grooming sub plot of s2 I quite like it.

>>14551997
Even SpaceX had troubles at first
>the Kodiak drift
lel

static when

>>14551909
>there be a resurgence in hard sci fi this coming decade
There already is.

>interact with space streamers/educators
>ask questions about Energia/Polyus laser battlestation
>"Ahh sorry, we don't talk that stuff here, only peaceful spaceflight"
>try to ask why, banned in chat

History forgotten

>>14552028
>Beach closed

>>14552150
>>>/r/eddit is this way

>>14552151

>>14551982
They were planning on producing the engine in Germany before the war if I remember correctly.

https://mobile.twitter.com/EmreKelly/status/1534205915460673540

> Relativity Space technicians were quick to start work on the company's Terran first stage after it arrived at the Cape over the weekend. Now that it's off the semi and next to the second stage, there's solid visual progress toward a launch before the end of this year.

>>14552225
https://eu.floridatoday.com/story/tech/science/space/2022/06/07/relativity-spaces-first-3-d-printed-rocket-stage-arrives-florida/7527467001/

>>14552229
> Once the first and second stages are combined and payload fairing attached, Terran 1 will stand 115 feet tall.

> Terran 1's first flight won't include a payload but will instead operate as a demonstration mission. Relativity has already signed contracts for more than a dozen launches and raised more than $1.3 billion in recent years. It also transitioned into a million-square-foot factory in California for its printing and production needs.

> Though Terran 1 won't be reusable, it will operate as as the precursor the company's next rocket: Terran R, a much larger vehicle capable of competing with other medium-lift rockets like SpaceX's Falcon 9, United Launch Alliance's Atlas V and Vulcan Centaur, and more.

>>14552237
>Terran 1's first flight won't include a payload but will instead operate as a demonstration mission
So they didn't follow the example of making your demo payload something weird and reasonably cheap as a way to drum up press? Why is the industry still so unwilling to learn the lessons that spacex is teaching?

>>14552150
cunnilingus rocket

I have a weird alt history idea. What if NASA realized they could save some post-Apollo money by making the Saturn V fully or partially reusable instead of building the shuttle?

>Add wings to the first stage S-IC so it can fly back to the launch site
>Stretch the S-II second stage. Add a heatshield on the front. Let the second stage reach orbit then land under parachutes after.
>Remove the S-IVB third stage
>Replace the S-IVB with a 10 METER WIDE capsule with a payload bay and parachutes.
Fully reusable, same payload as the shuttle, doesn’t need new R and D for engines and whatnot. Thoughts?

Pic unrelated, except it shows that NASA considered flying the S-IC back with wings for a while

>>14552252
what would YOU launch?

>>14552314
Starlink V2

>>14551945
They have to add a stage every time the EU gains a member state

>>14552314
anime figurines

>>14552352
That sounds like a more flexible system than SLS procurement.

>>14552314
A rock sculpture of earth

>>14552402
Or perhaps aomething for the flat earthers, that would be funny

>>14552314
Big statue of Wernher

>>14552314
thermonuclear warhead

>>14552352
k e k

>>14552314
a camera pointed down at earth filming the launch

without NOAA's approval

>>14552359
go back

Can anyone compete with America?
https://aerospace.csis.org/data/space-environment-total-launches-country/

>>14552470
Monster

>>14552314
a thousand rats

>>14552485
most of that is SpaceX alone, not america

>>14552314
A big glob of marshmallows, some space for them to expand in, and a camera to watch it all.

>>14552504
rats are frens anon

https://mobile.twitter.com/Cosmic_Andrew1/status/1534237742510530561

> NILESAT-301 was originally going to be an expended F9, now they are going to attempt to recover it pretty far down range. This appears to be right on the edge of performance numbers, I wonder if the operator was able to save some money here in exchange for shorter mission time?

> I've searched blogs for a reasoning but haven't found why this change occurred. It will surely shorten the mission time as more on-board prop will be expended to get to GEO. Maybe they booster they wanted to expend isn't ready yet? B1049-11 is being expended in November now

> Just 3 weeks ago
"SpaceX says that at the request of the customer, the satellite will be inserted into a higher orbit that will need the booster to be expended. This means there will not be a landing of the first stage booster."

>>14552545
Odd

>>14552352
They could have ukraine join the EU and make a entire soyuz sized stage and it would still be cheaper then SLS.
ESA's budget is tiny as fuck.

>>14552538
That's more like a sexual act to these animals.
You pervert.

>>14552613
Ukraine isn't going to be making rockets anymore.

>>14552663
Neither are the russians if they keep this up.

>>14551909
no

https://blogs.nasa.gov/artemis/2022/06/02/gateways-propulsion-system-testing-throttles-up/
>Solar electric propulsion is ideal for Gateway because these systems harness the energy of the Sun, convert it to power, and then use that power to produce long-duration, highly efficient thrust, providing mission flexibility and reduced costs. The PPE will use both a 6-kilowatt (kW) and a 12-kW electric propulsion system. Each system contains various components that help the spacecraft thrust efficiently: thruster(s), power processing units (PPU), flow controllers that regulate the flow of gases, like xenon, used for propulsion, etc. Multiple companies, including prime contractor Maxar as well as Aerojet Rocketdyne and Busek, Co. are supplying electric propulsion technologies for PPE.

>>14552675
Russia's commercial space program is certainly dead but their national launches will continue and their industry hasn't been blown up.

>>14552613
Do they still have the Zenit production chain or did they sell all of it to the chinese before the war too? Assuming none of thta got blown up yet. Would still make for a good launcher.

>>14552545
Too busy making upper stages to make a first stage to expend

https://mobile.twitter.com/DrPhiltill/status/1534241349079375873

Pretty long thread about mars colonization

>>14552797
>*word*
Dropped

>>14552797
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/07/opinion/musk-mars-twitter.html

paywall, krugman whining about elon and mars colonization I guess

>>14552834

>>14552838

>>14552843

>>14552834
Its another "rich bad, therefore mars/musk bad" take

Krugman is a genius btw, especially when talking about technology

https://mobile.twitter.com/TijlHendrich/status/1534254496725061635

>>14552868
https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/blog/2014/10/14/bootstrapping-solar-system-civilization

>>14552859
I hope somebody put that quote in a picture frame and send it to him as a gift in 2005.

>>14552859
Krugman is one of those guys who is "credible" because the media gives him a spotlight.

I wish Elon kept his big fucking mouth shut so people wouldn’t hate him. He was in good graces with Obama, then he went full retard and now aligned himself with the worst political position ever (with regards to popular opinion).

>>14552885
You can't appease the libtards when they're putting a gun behind your head.

>>14552885
He was already targeted by democrat insiders. Clinton staffs, Bernie staffs, and Biden staffs before all that. Heck, Biden's economic advisors are Tesla short sellers. Biden's choice for new NHTSA and NTSB heads are anti-Tesla/anti-Musk personally. This was before Musk spoke up.

Biden had aimed at Musk's head before he even said anything. The new NASA admin encouraged Blue Origin's lawsuits against SpaceX. He barely uttered the word "spacex" until a year or two later. Then when it the word "spacex" was uttered, it was used to support spacex's competitors as a way to promote "competition" aka blank cheque to SpaceX competitors.

We don't know why FAA is delaying it, but politics certainly is a factor.

>>14552892
Bill Gates is doing just fine. Elon should’ve been more like him.

>>14552906
Mate the FAA is doing a lot to help SpaceX if anything. They could’ve just said “no” to Starbase, but it seems like they’re bending over backwards to work with SpaceX, even with some delays

>>14552916
>They could’ve just said “no” to Starbase
They could and the debacle would be done with as SpaceX moves to Florida. Instead they drag it out for a year+ now with no end in sight. They'll continue to delay it because its better to boil the frog slowly than to say out loud that the frog will be boiled, for the political tools.

And if they say no to Starbase, Texas would fight tooth and nail. Right now, the limbo protects FAA's delay decision from being called a political hackery and shutdown by Republicans.

>>14552923
>>14552916
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boiling_frog

France is going to sign the Artemis Accord.

>>14552943
finally, I was baffled to learn it took them this long
fucking Mexico, Brazil and Luxembourg signed them before France did

>>14552943
I thought they had already signed it? The fuck?

>>14552950
>>14552952
France doesn't want to be tied to America. Thats why they tied themselves to the Russian system. But that fucked them over, now they have no choice.

>>14552906
>anti-Musk personally
Its not just the heads, but also the regulators as well. One of the heads even tweeted that she would punch and kill Musk a year or so before she was appointed as NHTSA regulators

>>14552545
Maybe they asked the customer to sacrifice some performance in return for a discount downstream if they can successfully recover the booster. The longer they can keep flying payloads on preflown boosters, the more they can save both themselves, but also the industry and bring back the same customer again for another similar mission or a different mission for a lower cost. The fact that this can happen at all, shows how many levers SpaceX has that it can pull for its mission in sustainability and reuse in the industry. But more importantly, what's most fascinating, is that the customer in question agreed to the change. I think its practically unheard of, where a customer would sacrifice some of its mission payload fuel performance to facilitate the possibility of the payload deliverer getting a chance to save their booster. If this recovery IS successful, I imagine more customers in the future would be willing to transfer payloads over to SpaceX on the basis that they might get more opportunities downstream either on F9, FH, or Starship as a result.

>>14552797
>>14552834
>>14552838
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1534241349079375873.html
The most useful bot on all of twitter, arguably.

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/06/07/spacex-starlink-ipo-elon-musk-says-offering-is-3-or-4-years-away.html

>>14553005

>>14552916
>>14552923
>>14552926
July/August timeframe I believe is the limit to how it can be delayed, because the factory at Roberts Road will likely be nearing completion by then. If things are still delayed, I fully expect SpaceX to start pivoting over to Florida. Expect Texas to sue the FAA thereafter.

>>14553008

>>14553012

>>14553005
>The latest timeline signals another IPO delay
There was never any timeline for Starlink IPO other than vague mentions regarding steady stream of revenue.

I think trying to spin this off as another "Musk over promised and over delayed" piece is disingeneous. Sheetz maybe fishing too deep into this.

https://spacenews.com/op-ed-faa-overregulation-threatens-americas-future-in-commercial-space/

whats that AI image generator everyones been using called

>>14551886
one of the last, dreams of space exploration were killed in russia by oligarchs and corruption
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhO4jV9WCII

why is berger butthurt about russia bringing the x-ray telescope back online? this is a win for science. fuck the germans lol.

>>14553089
Fuck you I hate Russians. Not for Ukraine but because they shill up /pol/ and /k/

>>14553089
As others have pointed out, the data will not be considered reputable by many journals. It’s just roggy trying to get attention and good boy points from papa poots.

>>14552307
read https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/right-side-up-a-history-of-the-space-transportation-system.405832/ if you haven't already

>>14553096
you're saying the data will be shit?

>>14553099
The data will likely considered “stolen” and thus not made something most will want to publish

>>14553089
It's not a win for science, it's a win for pretty national politics and burning their last bridge. They could have mended that bridge in time, but now there is no option. Even the director of IKI (the Russian institute which built the other telescope) thinks it's a terrible idea. No journal will publish papers based on a hijacked instrument. This will kill the collaborations Russia needs for Spectr-UV (the next telescope) to happen at all.

>>14553110
i say bring on the data. if other people want to bury their heads in the sand then that's their problem.

>>14553022
Solid article for an opinion piece - written by someone with relevant experience and not just some journo or investor with a bias

>>14553119
Sometimes I forget how low the average age is here.

>>14552859
Did the Internet really have that much of an impact though? Genuine question.

>>14552480
Go back

>>14552961
I still call them Freedom Fries. fuckin traitors

>>14552359
Cute!

>>14552859
He's wrong about both fax and internet. Fax machines are the lifeblood of Japanese economy.

>>14552545
>oh no SpaceX might have to expand a booster
Grow up kid that's the way its always been done around here

>>14552872
>boostrapping industry on the moon

Based, this guy knows whats up, I hope CLPS evolves to that

>ESA tries to cozy up to Russia
>Backfires horribly
Why did they do this?

>>14553192
What are you referencing?

>>14553202
European Space Agency

>>14553209
No shit, what project?

>>14553016
its just jews doing as jews do
Musk is now the bad man for pissing in the tribe's cheerios, so now they're running triple shifts to spread barely legal defamation towards him

Orbital (read: semi-orbital) Test when?

>>14553134
>hard data HAS to be ignored because some corrupt shekel grubbing journal didn't have their turn jacking off over it
hard data is hard data, it doesn't matter where it comes from

>>14553213
ROSALIND FRANKLIN TUBMAN EXTROGEN-MARS ROGGSEARCHER
>mmm_roggs.jpg

>>14553237
Prolly September or so.
>June
Finish cryo for both S24 and B7
>July
Complete WDRs for both, initial static fires
>August
Full static fires for both vehicles, maybe full stack
>September
Full stack static fire, flight

>>14553213
I'd like to guess that he's talking about POCKOCMOC wanting to steal Spektr-RG after the Germans turned it off, but that'd require /sfg/ to be paying attention to space news.

>>14553266
eRosita/SRG is a German project through Max Planck, nothing to do with ESA.

>>14553249
Well in that case they only partnered with Russia because they got shit on by NASA. ExoMars was a joint ESA/NASA program until the US declared "no monies". Having zero available funds NASA went on to approve the more expensive 2020 rover almost immediately.

I kind of feel bad for Russian space fans. Watching their country make millions of designs for rockets and vehicles and knowing none of them will be built must hurt.

>>14553239
Thats assuming they get it working and that they even make the data public. With all the nationalist rhetoric surrounding this I wouldn't be surprised if they kept it for Russian astronomers. Then it's as good as useless.
And lastly all data is not created equally. It depends on the quality of the reduction and on the way the data is staged to end users. Telescopes with good archives get used a lot more.
And the key ingredient is the researchers, not the data. Russia already gets half the data exclusively, but all the big results have been from the German team. Because Russian astronomy is even more emaciated than their manned spaceflight program. German astronomers have been preparing for this for years and have much better access to followup telescopes through ESA and ESO.

SpaceX finished all six of the OLM legs for their florida Starship site. People are saying tower stacking is soon

>>14552520
>not america
Here we go again.

>>14552838
>automation
If only it would actually be made proper use of.

unannounced x-37b launch is imminent

>>14553276
If the Yuro's unfucked themselves, ESA wouldn't have to go begging for scraps from failing states.

>>14553071
dall-e

>>14552237
>Relativity has already signed contracts for more than a dozen launches
Ellis called this the most preordered rocket in history last year. Even before the Kuiper announcement for Vulcan etc., this was absolutely a lie.

>>14553281
The only good russian is a dead russian

>>14553419
>The only good leftist is a dead leftist
Fixed it to make it moar better and encompassing.

>>14553426
>>14553419
Apparently people who support Ukraine are fascists now lol

>>14552314
a set of Russian nesting dolls, with the final one reveal a small note that states "fuck china"

>>14553426
lefties are fags
russians are fags
kill yourself americommienigger

>>14553237
July 14th is the earliest window for launch assuming licensing takes precisely one month

>>14553338
So a commercial satellite is getting launched inside an X-37?

>>14553447
Nationalist loyalty to any entity that isn't the Communist Party is the definition of fascism

>>14551730
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muXtOKEESP8

>>14553447
>Apparently people who support Ukraine are fascists now
probably true
Ukraine is certainly run as a fascist country.

>>14553505
>Nationalist loyalty to any entity that isn't the Communist Party is the definition of fascism
That is almost verbatim the definition when the word "fascism" was created by the Russian Soviets.

>>14553542
>Ukraine is certainly run as a fascist country.
Literally the most meaningless platitude imaginable since Fascist, to Russians, doesn't mean anything except "against Russia." To Russians, everything that was bad about Nazi Germany is irrelevant.

>>14553549
Try writing a legible and proper sentence tard. You sound like a middle-school tween.

>>14553552
kek. Someone's mad that I hit the nail on the head.

>>14553542
10% for the big guy takes on a new meaning if Zelinsky is the middle man or the big guy?

Either way, Ukraine's government launders shittons of money for US and other politicians, while it's people are given scraps and only just recently got their right to bear arms back.

>>14553535
Ralph will definitely be the first to take a beating on Mars if he lives long enough
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2t1-J1rPYLY

>>14553419
There’s things in life that are much better than a dead Russian my friend

>>14553542
>>14553555
Replying to yourself is always a bit sad.

>>14553567
Crush your enemies
See them driven before you
and to hear the lamentations of their trannie women!

>>14553555
all part of the plan. them against us.

Why do people who aren’t Americans always try to make memes about American politics and larp as Americans to convince Americans of what’s “really going on in America” or whatever? It always feels super obvious

>>14553577
>Why do people who aren’t Americans always try to make memes about American politics and larp as Americans to convince Americans of what’s “really going on in America” or whatever? It always feels super obvious

>>14552885
> and now aligned himself with the worst political position ever (with regards to popular opinion).
Popular opinion isn't as overwhelmingly left wing as you think it is my guy

>>14553552
>being this ESL

>>14553597
>Popular opinion isn't as overwhelmingly left wing as you think it is my guy
truth.
it's a big house of cards propped up by a corrupt media/journalism system spouting lies, and stolen elections.
it is about to crash down on them.

>>14552885
while you leftists may be a living disease, you aren't as contagious as you insist you are
the supermajority of the population remain quietly apolitical, but are getting more and more upset as your lunacy ruins their lives ever more by the month
they don't care about random blacks getting shot for resisting law enforcement, they care about gas and food prices flying into orbit and making their budgets dangerously thin

>>14553597
Exposure to twitter and reddit would make anyone think that 99.999% of the population were extreme left aligned. Turns out that's simply a result of toxic leftists pushing away every single person who isn't toxic-left. Most of the internet has become what 2013 Tumblr used to be.

>>14553609
The guy who posted this >>14552885 is probably not American anyways, americans don't say mate.

>>14553612
>Exposure to twitter and reddit would make anyone think that 99.999% of the population were extreme left aligned. Turns out that's simply a result of toxic leftists pushing away every single person who isn't toxic-left.
"social" media. kek
Leftists create echo-chambers and "safe spaces" to cocoon themselves in.

I got to write software this week that will be going in to space with TROPICS. It's just a small part but it's all mine. Astra better not fuck this up.

>>14553612
>Exposure to twitter and reddit would make anyone think that 99.999% of the population were extreme left aligned. Turns out that's simply a result of toxic leftists pushing away every single person who isn't toxic-left. Most of the internet has become what 2013 Tumblr used to be.
Tumblrinas from 2013 are running all the HR departments, DEI offices, and social media marketing teams now.

Are nuclear air breathing dual-cycle rockets possible? You heat atmospheric air from a nuclear reaction in the lower atmosphere, and then switch to hydrogen propellant to reach space. Would this be a viable SSTO engine? Maybe stick an aerospike on the end while you're at it?

>>14553688
Chemical airbreathing rockets are a better first step.

>>14553648
Astra is gonna fuck up
>source?!??
it was revealed to me in a dream

>>14553712
>first step
Obviously yes. But nuclear would eventually be the better option right? It doesn't need oxidiser in rocket mode and has higher Isp.

What is Astra’s business case? It seems like RocketLab and Relativity don’t want in an the small launch market anymore

>>14553734
Astra's business case is to build a multi tenant megaconstellation with on-orbit compute and rent time on it to businesses and governments. The rockets are a stepping stone.

>>14553775
Wen faa permit release?

>>14552885
Elon's political views didn't change. The DNC changed. The DNC was radicalized and started excluding liberals in favor of progressive politics.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZEnbZN8D58

Florida Starship pad update

>>14553113
>No journal will publish papers based on a hijacked instrument.
That's just nonsense. data is data.

>>14553775
Then why are they so bad at everything and why are their rockets so small? I cannot see a case where they succeed.
Also their plan is to try to do what Amazon and borigin are already starting to do? With less money, less experience and somehow less competence, starting years after them?

>>14553821
Welcome to the real world dude lol.

>>14553828
It is you who is deluded, they'll have no trouble getting any data from that instrument published, they can publish it themselves if need be
>b-but that's not prestigious
that literally doesn't matter

>>14553839
Okay. Post age and education

>>14553822
Reminder that fucking Astra has beaten Blue Origin to orbit.

>>14553734
Investor dollars providing a paycheck for the people who work there until the company can no longer sustain itself

>>14553734
Astra wants to go cheaper than Starship per launch. Relativity/Rocketlab is trying to chase more expensive than Starship, but less than 100T payload. They're trying to bank on the fact that Starship may cost $50M per launch and hope that Starship won't go any lower.

If Starship can go lower from $20M+, then those launchers have no real business operating other than "ITS NOT SPACEX! I HATE ELON MUSK"

>>14553822
Astra's megaconstellation is closer to reality than blorp's is. Kuiper will be mismanaged straight into the ground because it's being run out of Amazon retail instead of AWS - they already missed several obvious usecases for it and are literally just pissing money away to copy Elon. That is a large part of why I left Amazon.

Fun fact: blorp inherited Amazon's frupid laptop policies via Jeff. Unless you do CAD modeling or are a software developer your work laptop caps out at 8GB RAM.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNTpvBvUvtM

>>14553857
Astra has delivered more rockets to orbit than BO has delivered functioning engines to ULA.

>>14553648
Congratulations, anon. Did you remember to include any /sfg/ easter eggs?

>>14553868
>Unless you do CAD modeling or are a software developer your work laptop caps out at 8GB RAM.
lol

>>14553022
>The Office of Commercial Space Transportation should be led by people from the space industry, not the airplane folks. However, just the opposite is occurring. The new deputy at FAA, Michael O’Donnell, is a career airplane safety person with absolutely no apparent space experience. This doesn’t surprise me. I interviewed for the top job at AST a few years ago and was disappointed to find myself facing a panel composed entirely of “airplane” folks. There wasn’t a single space expert, and my efforts to discuss economic development and space industry benefits to our nation and our planet were quickly redirected back to the topic of “the safety of our national airspace.”

We're fucked.

>>14553876
Nothing functional, just a variable name or two.

>>14553868
>Unless you do CAD modeling or are a software developer your work laptop caps out at 8GB RAM.
WTF
chrome + windows eats 6gb+ alone

>>14553712
I can say that we're getting there. The technology is fairly well-developed, and testing has started to derisk a lot of the key components that would go into a combined-cycle air breathing rocket engine.

The primary issue has been, and will continue to be, funding. Governments are mostly only interested in the hypersonic flight applications of the subsystems involved, and it's hard to make a business case to privately develop such an immensely complex propulsion system when traditional rocketry has a much lower barrier to entry.

>>14553259
Why do people keep talking about a full-stack static fire? I get the need for a full-stack WDR to make sure the upper stage QD arm is all working as intended, but what would re-static-firing the booster with the ship on top accomplish other than potentially damage some heatshield tiles?

>>14553894
shake test the ship including the tiles

>>14553899
Why? You'll get that same info from the ship on the maiden flight, it's not like there's any chance the it's gonna get recovered either way and a full-stack static fire still wouldn't be an accurate representation of the shaking forces it'll experience when it's actually in free flight.

>>14553901
>>14553894
>Why?
You know why. Its obvious why. I dont need to tell you about it. Your first or second instinct is likely correct.

>>14553907
>>14553899
I want to shake test mommy shotwells fatty milkers

>>14553894
It's like a WDR, but you actually fire the engines. If anything, you're simulating the launch sequence.

>a list of countries engaged in the most wars
>"peaceful"
space warfare here we come

>>14553930
Ok.

>>14553907
>>14553926
My first instinct is "the only reason we do full-stack static fires is because most rockets go weeks or months between their initial engine tests and the final launch". Starship is going to have both stages out on the pads being tested presumably just days before the final stacking, no worry of random jostling in transit or other issues that could plague a rocket that is assembled in a clean room miles from the pad.

It's also not a realistic simulation of launch since once the engines are at full power during launch, the launch clamps will be released and all of that energy is going into propelling the rocket upwards. I doubt we'll ever see a 33 engine static fire on Superheavy but if we did, the vibrations of a several second fire with the launch clamps still engaged would be a substantially higher amount of vibration than the ship would ever experience during regular flight.

>>14553930
seethe

>>14553930
>Israel and UAE
>Korea and Japan
lol no

>>14553938
Anon Israel and the UAE normalized relations two years ago.

>>14553938
Israel and UAE are both existing SpaceX customers, and of course JAXA loves Dragon.

>>14553938
israel is involved in wars since its beginning
uae is involved in the yemen civil war
korea sends troops to american wars
japan is waiting

>>14553945
The soul of the Japanese man cries out, yearning for the day he can commit war crimes against the Chinese in space

>>14553648
Based

>>14551909
>Will there be a resurgence in hard sci fi this coming decade?
this week actually
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4EOW9oqZ4k

>>14553975
that show is a bore

Why did bloregano make new jarvis anyway? they made one tank and then....forgot about it? wasnt that over a year ago? what about rapid prototyping? or ANY prototyping???

>>14553955
Who makes this shit?

>>14554037
They made Jarvis as a second stage add on to a nonexistent vehicle lol

>>14554037
Jeff wandered through the office one day screaming about Elon's rockets down in that fucking swamp being welded together by Mexicans, all mad about the lack of publicly-visible progress by Blorf, and so they had a team go cobble together a pointless tube to satisfy his rage.
He's probably forgotten that tantrum and Jarvis entirely, and rest assured they'll scramble to produce some other nonsense project to placate him next time.

>>14554037
They saw images of tanks in boca and thought "thats it" but then they realized, that it may lead to bad PR of being a copycat, so they decided to revert back to old space mentality of not testing for years

https://www.irishtimes.com/science/space/2022/06/07/chris-hadfield-elon-musk-will-help-mankind-return-to-the-moon/

>>14554072
why is there edit on this board, its gay

>>14554074
>Mr Hadfield said approval if given will mark a “big radical change” in space travel.

>“That will then clear the way for him (Elon Musk) to be able to launch a vehicle that is 10 times cheaper and 100 per cent reusable like no rocket we have ever seen before,” he said.

>“The cost has come down so low that private individuals can buy tickets for space. That’s an amazing thing. Our technology has got so much better. We can send robots to space and they can start building habitats and have people there temporarily.

>“As soon as you radically drop the cost, you open up the possibilities for business, for exploration and for tourism just as we did with cars. We are at that stage right now in rocket science. A lot of people focus on the billionaire’s flying. They are missing the point. We are at a tipping point where the vehicles are proven enough that they can start taking passengers up.”

>Mr Hadfield said we now know there is sufficient water on the moon and solar power to allow for a human settlement. “It is a matter of enormous opportunity. The surface of the moon is bigger than the surface of Africa and is completely untapped.”

>>14554074
>subtitle typo says "three to five days"
>articles says years like it should
Does nobody proofread this fucking bootleg publication?

>>14553868
Maybe they could give you a free download of New World if you sign up for Kuipoop.

>>14554085
"Days" is Irish jargon for "Years'. They also use "four" as a slang term for 6, I don't know why.

>>14554075
tfw moon is more attractive for colonization than afrika baka my head :(

>>14554103
Maybe it's genetically ingrained fetal alcohol syndrome.

>>14553866
I'm sure starship could go lower then $20m/launch price. The question is would SpaceX do that just to cover a tiny portion of the market and in the process make significantly less profit. I'm sure they'll lower the launch price below 20 million eventually, but I doubt this decade.

.

/sfg/ (Sunny Funny General) is awfully sloooooow lately.
Can an expert inform us all on what rapidly reusable starships will do for building space stations?

>>14554173
He is saying both though lol

>>14552859

>>14553839
>they can publish it themselves if need be
If nobody in the wider community reads or cites your paper then it's completely fucking useless. Might as well not exist.

>>14554177
Check the archive, im sure someone mentioned it once or twice

>>14552859
1998: "the internet is a tool for exchanging images like a fax machine"
2020 "i am being accused of using the internet to exchange images"

I bet he used to get CP via fax before he discovered the internet

>>14554182

>>14554021
no u

>>14554177
Moonship wet workshops

>>14554177
Alls quiet on what could happen if Starship becomes real. I don't know if its due to space industry being slow or lacking ambition. Or if they're holding their cards to their chest and are in the process of booking Starships in advance but havent made it public yet.

I fear its the former rather than later.

>>14554295
I think a lot of people in the industry are "Ill believe it when I see it" mode

>>14554313
So lack of ambition and drive. SpaceX won't wait 10 years for the skeptics to change their mind.

>>14554318
Yeah, the conpanies and people that are preparing now might have a large headstart
Are there any other that are doing significant things in the payload/everything else except launch-space besides axiom?
Mueller has his spacetug company

>>14553571
NOT ANYMORE!

>>14554405
>”famine holocaust in Africa“ in a spaceflight general
Look fag unless it’s relevant to spaceflight like proposing to take over Africa to funnel resources into spacex, go back to /pol/ or /gif/ where you can laugh at the blacks for hitting each other with rocks for food.

>>14552663
Dnipro is relatively far from frontlines and relatively unbombed
Yuzhmash was their key strategic goal, along with Mykolaiv docks and other key industries

>>14552252
It will include a "extremely fun" payload (Marcus House interview), just not a customer one which is what Emre Kelly is talking about.

>still replying to himself with shitty off topic /pol/ shit clearly made by actual anti-American and probably Russian shills

https://mobile.twitter.com/Harry__Stranger/status/1534475711767285760

> SpaceX has submitted updated plans for the Roberts Road Starship production area.

> The main factory is now a total of 648,000sqft, that's 136,000sqft larger than in previous plans.
This is also confirmation that there will be two highbays, each 32,136sqft.

>>14554584
> Here's the footprint of the main building overlaid on the Google Maps imagery of the Starbase production site for scale.

https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=55866.msg2375526#msg2375526

>>14554584
Kool

>>14551886
>dead orc
based

>>14554616
That man achieved more than you ever will

>>14554636
>orc
>man

>>14554641
>mutt
>human

>>14554647
not a mutt, seethe and dilate orc simp

>>14554636
>>14554647
Baited and caremad

>14554616
le edgelord has arrived epicly

>>14554103
What the fuck are you talking about? I’ve lived on this island for over 20 years and literally nobody has ever said either of those things the way you claim.

Why do you faggots always respond to bait?

This been posted yet?

>>14554736
Reposting from /k/

>>14552314
2 nuclear warheads. 1 lands at Tel-Aviv, the other at Mecca.

>>14554736
where's blue origin?

>>14554740

>>14554745
I bet they are asking the same queation

>>14554182
>using Qanon as a verb

Tower 2
soon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZEnbZN8D58

>>14554736
>Mission: To be the Guardians of Assured Access
Cringe

>>14553688
>dual cycle
high complexity = bad
additionally, hydrogen is extra bad since storing it long term is a whirling son of a bitch because of embrittlement fucking your tanks

People are saying it’s possible that if the Kennedy launch site is done soon, we could see Starships being shipped there by boat.

>>14555066
It's not that easy in boatery

>>14555066
The FAA claims worldwide jurisdiction so they can still fuck SpaceX if they want, even if they launch from a ship in international waters.

TROPICS-1 official pad photos are out.

1/5

>>14555237
2/5

Story idea/Word Problem for sfg:
Humans evolved on a planet with gravity being 7.9m/s. This alternate planet is in an alt solar system with same type of star and is the fourth planet after what are basically two Mercury’s (years=56 days and 94 days respectively) and a hot Mars (year=201 days). Smaller alt Earth has year=347 days, yeah same day length with two moons, one close to Phobos size and other major moon with gravity= 1.4m/s. Fifth planet is a super Earth, year= 541 days, gravity=11.1m/s with dense, Ganymede-size moon with gravity=1.8m/s. Humans are basically where we are with space flight, but fifth planet is confirmed to have life and has a semi-suitable atmosphere with minimal protection needed. It is theorized that 30,000 years ago impact events wiped most of the planet’s life away and life is recovering there. Humans have a much greater will for space flight and they know they can land there with aerobraking. The question for them and sfg is, can they get back and if so, how?

>>14555241
3/5

>>14555245
4/5

>>14555244
11.1m/s with a correspondingly thicker atmosphere is going to require an absolute monster of a return vehicle. 3STO chem-chem-NTP maybe.

>>14555244
Forgot to add that atmosphere of fifth planet=1.6 bar

>>14555249
5/5

The "Rocket Support Cart" is basically where the onsite computers live.

What are the odds the speed of light thing isn't real and accelerating a spaceship for long enough will make it reach lightspeed ?

>>14555249
I wonder why they chose to scallop the nosecone? I don't recall any other rocket doing that, and I would think it would make it more expensive to manufacture.

>>14555270
It's not scalloped, they're flat faces aside from the taper.

hey guys, ive been gone from sfg for about a few hours. any news about the FAA permit?

>>14555281
Two hours

>>14555267
zero - accelerating protons past lightspeed would have been done in the mid 20th century if what you propose was true

>>14555270
ribs make it stronger, I imagine

>>14555270
It's easier and cheaper to construct a nosecone out of flat sheet pieces than make it perfectly round. The rocket is tiny anyway, so there's no need for it to be perfect.

>>14555267
Zero, they already know that if you try to keep accelerating, all you do is increase your mass.
Only something truly mass-less can go the speed of light, and that would be... uh, light?

>NASA’s Mike Sarafin, Artemis mission manager, says SpaceX is “making great progress” on the HLS program; recently visited Boca Chica to check on progress.
>A board member asks Sarafin how many launches will be required for a Starship HLS mission. He dodges the question, saying SpaceX will have a “refueling depot” in orbit for both Artemis missions and “other applications” he doesn’t specify.

>>14555438
>He dodges the question
OHNONONONNOOO

>>14554736
The FY23 budget request has been out for several months now.

>>14555438
Launch count for refueling will depend on the mission profile.

>>14555481
So what's the mission profile of the demonstration flight?

>>14555483
We do not know how much payload SpaceX intends to send.

>>14555501
But that's just 2 years away.

femoid livestreamers grubbing for superchats at starbase really are a dime-a-dozen now.

>>14555502
NASA doesn't know what payload its putting on artemis 3

>>14555502
Yes?

>>14555501
We don't even know what the final specs for the Raptor 2 are going to be. For all we know Artemis 3 might be flown with mass production Raptor 3s.

>>14555502
that's been debunked

>>14555517
and that's a good thing!

>jwst hit by debris
OH NO NO NO

>>14555661
its over

>>14555661

>>14555661
It is simply over
Three decades of engineering couldn't stand up to a single grain of sand.

>ISS hit by asteroid
'tis over

>>14555666
satanic trips confirm

>Between May 23 and 25, NASA’s James Webb Space Telescope sustained an impact to one of its primary mirror segments.
>Webb’s mirror was engineered to withstand bombardment from the micrometeoroid environment at its orbit around Sun-Earth L2 of dust-sized particles flying at extreme velocities.
>This most recent impact was larger than was modeled, and beyond what the team could have tested on the ground.
>Thorough analysis and measurements are ongoing.
https://blogs.nasa.gov/webb/

It is the expectation of mission planners that the vehicle will have to endure small impacts to its sunshield and/or primary mirror, since they do take up a lot of exposed surface area.

As long as it's not too big, it should be fine. The optics are fine for mirror impacts, you just lose some pixels or general sensitivity.

Hopefully there isn't a huge swirl of rocks caught and stuck accumulating at L2.

>>14555681
>“Since launch, we have had four smaller measurable micrometeoroid strikes that were consistent with expectations and this one more recently that is larger than our degradation predictions assumed. We will use this flight data to update our analysis of performance over time and also develop operational approaches to assure we maximize the imaging performance of Webb to the best extent possible for many years to come.”
It's a nothingburger

aliens attacked JWST so it wouldn't reveal them

you heard it here first

>hasnt even started operations yet
>already hit by an object larger than predicted

>>14555689
the sugarcoating begins....

>>14555695
spess hard
preasu andarstand
that'll be 30 billion plus tip

>>14555684
Imagine if the most notable paper to come out of JWST is about the way an unexpectedly high amount of mass gets stuck in L2 halo orbits

>>14555681
$10 billion dollars
30+ year old designs

New Polaris Dawn mission patch

>>14555735
It wasn't even proposed 30 years ago, much less designed.

>>14555739

>>14555739
I wanna fuck that dragon

Recently leaked footage from the Bosnian Space Agency

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zvEG93T2mE

(Arca, take note!)

>>14555741
Hubble follow up were in talks since the 80. NGST was 10 meters proposed in late 80s. It was renamed to JWST in 2002. It was in the proposal stage in the George W Bush Sr years. Bill Clinton's admin delayed it. During his admin, the NGST was reduced to 8 m. Then in early 2000s, it was changed to 6 m we see today, whereby the name change happened.

https://www.ucolick.org/~gdi/docs/NGST_The_Early_Days_of_JWST.pdf

Are they going to take another self shot to understand the damage to the mirrors?

>>14555780
The early ideas weren't JWST, they focused on an HST successor with UV-visible-near IR. It was only after the HST and Beyond report lead by Dresssler that the scientific potential of 1-5 microns was identified. Off the back of this the true NGST study was published by STScI in 1995. That is not even 30 years, and as you say the design was not fixed.

Rocket launches from a New Zealand space port on a direct easterly course and achieves orbital height and speed. Is this what it looks like? A satellite in this orbit will have a shorter orbital period than say the same one launched from Cape Kennedy right, due to orbiting around a larger portion of the Earth (the equatorial bulge)

Lunch in ~15 minutes
https://youtu.be/UpCZu89zb5Y

>>14555824
Not really, play KSP.

>>14555689
>detectable scratch on the mirrors
>nothingburger

>>14555831
What do you mean, does it precess or something since that kind of orbit is unstable?

>>14555824
>>14555835
Putting it another way, what is the approx. orbital period for each of the 3 colored orbits?

>>14555809
Design wasn't fixed because proposal got delayed. This is the same argument with Starship and FAA delays. If the proposal was accepted and funding/development were done, we'd have a giant 10 meter telescope maybe by early-mid 2000s. Instead political delays happened, so the proposal got changed number of times so that the politicians could fund it.

>>14555839
Oh wait, orbits have to be about the center of mass which the pink one and even the red one definitely aren't...

>>14555839
Everything orbits the centre of mass of the earth

>>14555832
Detectable impact is not a scratch. It's the equivalent of a raindrop on your car, you can hear it, but it won't leave a mark

>>14555827
Starting

>>14555824
Your orbital period is practically identical no matter what inclination your orbit is in. The equatorial bulge is too minute to really affect an orbit in any meaningful way.

Shaneequa-Lateesha-Lucasbrothers...

Shuttle mentioned

Nilesat really likes their stock footage

>>14555871
Its like a blast from the past, like something from the 2000s

>>14555841
If the proposal was immediately accepted they wouldn't have built JWST at all, because the early proposals were covering a totally different wavelength range. It could not have happened in the early 2000s because it was only approved after it was recommended by the 2001 decadal survey.

>>14555857
On your windshield, you can see around it but it is a spot where your vision is permanently damaged.

decollage

>>14555881
With an 8 meter telescope a tiny sratch won't matter too much due to the sheer surface area of the telescope

INDEED

54,160 watching now
Started streaming 15 minutes ago

We are HUNGRY for rocket launches lmao

>>14555901
Isn't this one also a higher speed landing than usual?

there she is

>20 seconds

>>14555905
SUDDENLY

> spacex still humiliating the whole industry

>>14555907
this landing was definitely more sus than usual

Look at that plume shockwave interaction

>>14555911
Arianespace had the opportunity to build liquid fly-back boosters for the Ariane 6. ULA had been talking about SMART reuse since their Atlas division was a part of Lockheed Martin. They could have kept funding the X-33 and fixed the fuel tank issue.

They had their chance.

>>14555921
H-HAYAI!

>>14555921
https://youtu.be/oZI4QhyO5ew

>>14555920
>A wild spaceplanefag appears

>>14555914
I keep trying to envision what a Super Heavy take off will be like and its just hard to imagine, except looking at Apollo but thats different cause 5 big engines vs. 33 small ones, idk

>>14555684
>>14555721
there are dust clouds at L4 and L5 points of the Earth–Moon system
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kordylewski_cloud
but Earth–Sun L2 should be too unstable to accumulate anything

>>14555874
For me its the breathy "N I L E S A T"

>>14555920
It wouldn't really fit Ariane in it's style. Ariane 6 is a higher evolution of Ariane 5, kind of in the same way that Ariane 1-4 were extremely similar, just upgrades on eachother.
The reusable Themis demonstrator will likely replace Ariane once functional, ending ESA's longest running rocket line

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zodiacal_light

>>14555927
I'm not saying that it was a great idea. I'm just saying that stopping because "carbon fiber fuel tanks are too hard" is a really dumb reason to can a project.

>>14555920
They started working on Ariane 6 in early 2010s, and you know how slow the government is, especially in Europe. At least they're now working on reusable rockets, like Themis and Maia. That is more than ULA, which is only talking about SMART reuse.

>>14553888
>he thinks this is new
quite literally every new thing since the bronze age was held back by a gaggle of old retards who clung to the past shit and petulantly refused to accept anything new unless forced to do so
Space is going to be crippled by the air niggers until they all die of old age, then we'll have an explosion of innovation

good lord, you should have seen the never ending naval fuck fuck games that were played over the centuries

>>14555921
>teleports onto drone ship
>nothin personnel, kid

SECOND STAGE FAILED TO LIGHT
ITS OVER

AOS BUBBA BOOBA

>CAPSTONE Mission Launch No Longer Targeting June 13
https://blogs.nasa.gov/artemis/2022/06/08/capstone-mission-launch-no-longer-targeting-june-13/

>no groundstation over southern africa
Shitshow

>nominal

>>14555961
Clear is still bubbly, laughing and smiling though. I think you're lying.

Nominal orbital insertion

>nominal oribt insertion
>>14555961
faggot

>that path rendering

>>14555972
>>14555974
Who are you talking to? Weirdos, theres no post there.

Deployed

Another successful mission by Space Exploration Technologies Co.

>France signed the Artemis accord
Here's your first yuro on the Moon bro

>>14556006
based Frenchie

>>14556006
based

>>14556006
>>14556009
He'll be too old. He's already 44.

>>14556006
Imagine the pics he'll take from Gateway and the lunar surface though

>>14556015
Wasn't that also Cernans age at Apollo 17

>>14556020
Yes but he'll be 47-48 at best. That's too old, at least for NASA.

>>14556006
Why do you make it out as a bad thing? Easily the most based astronaut in recent memory. Rather him than the POC and women shit NASA is pushing.

https://twitter.com/akaschs/status/1534628594366005248

>>14556015
Mark Scott and Scott Kelly were 48 and 54 at retirement

>>14556027
>although there is a marginally detectable effect in its data.

>>14556025
How? NASA's limits is more based on radiation than age. ESA astronauts have like twice the radiation limit set (the same as Russia). There's been several +50 year old on 6 months missions on ISS. A two week mission to the moon is less bad than that.

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1534628594366005248.html

>Such micrometeroid events are expected and have been simulated and tested on the ground. Since launch, there have been 4 smaller measurable micrometeoroid strikes; the latest one is larger than the degradation predictions assumed by JWST engineers.

>This is a pic of a section of a solar panel from the Hubble Space Telescope, which was brought back to earth after the repair mission in 1993. The panel had 100s of impact craters, ranging from microns to millimetres in diameter, after 2 years in space.

>>14555839
>this is the /spaceflight general/ average IQ
Play more KSP anon, I beg of you. You are embarassing all of us.

>>14555839
Imagine the orbits at the poles...

>>14556006
Simply the best

>>14556043
>he doesn't know

>>14556063
wtf orbital mechanics witchery is this

>>14556076
Solar sail

>>14556041
Scrolling through old screenshots, I always forget how comfy this game can be with a few beers and time to kill

>>14556076
>>14556077
solar photon or solar wind sail, yes
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statite

>>14556088
cool pic, until now I didn't know that the two Corvettes in Apollo 13 film were because the astronauts actually drove them. A brilliant marketing maneuver by GM.

>Ed Cole, President of General Motors with Jim Rathmann Chevrolet of Melbourne Florida offered the astronauts a special Chevrolet plan in which they were given the use of any Chevrolet automobile for a year at the very nominal cost of $1.

Alright, who wants to go up there and fix it?

>>14555920
>ULA had been talking about SMART reuse since their Atlas division was a part of Lockheed Martin.

ULA being forced to use SMART reuse on Vulcan because BO cannot produce enough engines to meet their launch cadance was not how anyone expected it to finally come about.

>>14556100
Where will I put my fishing gear & my pooch in a 'vette? I'll stick to my VW bug, thanks

>>14555951
ULA isn't just talking about reuse anymore, yet another egotistic company humbled by Falcon 9.

>>14556015
This is really the problem. All the good selections will be too old. I can almost imagine a situation where they squeak through for HLS if SpaceX really hurries, but I can't see a timetable where it doesn't take 6 years.

>>14556100
>for a year
What a bunch of penny pinchers. Unless GM wanted the cars back so they could auction them.

>>14554751
I wonder what makes them "resilient". I'm guessing this is resilience to EW attacks rather than something kinetic.

It took me until now to realize that the engine problems Tom Hanks had with his corvette in the beginning of the film are foreshadowing other vehicle problems he'd have later on.

>>14556183
Roadster COPV edition

>>14556183
Fire extinguisher first flight test success

>>14556183
Similar trajectory as Jeff's "flights"

>>14555244
Thick atmosphere means you get a lot more benefit of lift from wings. Also air breathing stages make more sense there

>>14555921
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ma1eyZUCwLQ

>>14556256
I forgot about air suckers. Would this be a good place for a Star Raker?

Why would a micrometeorite be at the L2 point, anyway

>>14556349
Because it's fucking space and dust is everywhere

Got a job at rocket startup

>>14556349
>"ROGGS could be here" he thought, "I've never been in this orbit before. There could be ROGGS anywhere." The solar wind felt good against his extended sunshield. "I HATE ROGGS" he thought. The Apollo 13 soundtrack reverberated his entire chassis, making it pulsate even as the $900,000,000 refrigerant circulated through his overengineered thick lines and washed away his (merited) fear of rocks hurtling through space. "With a bus, you can go anywhere you want" he said to himself, out loud.