/sci/ - Science & Math

This is actually what schizos believe

>>14533605
>>14533608
This is just what people who are dumb think. Dunning Krueger Effect in action.

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>>14533611
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3269637/

>>14533617
Do you have a better source? This one doesn't really correlate with what the OP is asking for, besides anxiety isn't a mental illness though

>>14533605
it doesn't.
mental illness is something that happens as a result of low IQ.
"mental illness" means that the brain isn't functioning correctly, which lowers IQ. "mental illness" is synonymous with "brain damage", mentally ill people are low IQ people

Because society is run by dumb midwits. Imagine how it would feel for a 120 IQ person to live in a society that solely consists of 60 IQ dimwits. He'd go insane. The same am I experiencing as a 180 IQ genius in today's midwit society.

>>14533633
Well, no, that's a slightly different question. In that case you're looking at developmental disorders, things like that. What he's probably asking about is "acquired" mental illnesses you develop in life.

... Yes for sake of argument I am totally ignoring the genetic component related to that later life development. For simplicity sake.

>>14533628
I do have one. Different anon here.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapsychiatry/fullarticle/481989

This one is very good as it's a longitudinal wave study assessing "premorbid" (so pre-illness) IQ and later risk of development. In general, lower IQ is worse for risk of developing mental illnesses.

>>14533605
So it doesn't. Lots of studies have shown this over time. It's just a favorite hollywood myth because when you write a story you want flawed characters to make it a good one.

>>14533633
>t. psychotard consUUUUUmer winning

>>14533700
I mean, if your IQ is even higher than mine, I'd expect you to have had the initiative to have known that it's a myth. Let's just say I doubt your statement there.

There is a mostly unresearched communication gap, though, if you're interested. Nobody cares to do further research on it, last I knew, though I suspect it is a primary driving force behind the problems geniuses and "gifted children" or "gifted adults" have. There's not much research on those either, since easily diagnosed ones (comparatively) like mental illness are lower.

Even so, higher mental illness rates is not among them. Just a lot of dissatisfaction in life if they're caught living one that does not reward intellectual achievement, or if they don't innately get off on socializing.

>>14533605
because intelligence is a cope. example: people invented Internet so they can watch porn and masturbate, but animals are mentally healthy and don't need porn and Internet to cope with moral restrictions. people invent problems and solutions, healthy specimen don't have problems.

>>14533605
it doesn't it just correlates with self awareness and financial wellbeing
>be poor and mentally ill
>less likely to notice signs and seek help early
>less access to healthcare

>be intelligent
>more likely to be rich
>more likely to notice the warning signs
>better access to healthcare

>>14533754
>people invented internet so they can watch porn and masturbate

>>14533780
ya your average psychotard doesn't have any moral qualms.
retards play by a different, less restrictive set of rules that make "winning" easier.

That’s only in contemporary society where they are a threat to the establishment, so governments legislate bogus ‘mental health’ laws.
Look up Sluggish Schizophrenia from the Soviet Union.

>>14533611
No, you have to pretend to be a pansy whenever you cite the Dunning-Kruger effect. Speaking with authority undermines it.

>>14533714
>Lots of studies have shown
Studies conducted by midwits who consider 120 IQ intelligent, because they are lacking awareness of the existence of actually gifted individuals. Remember: A midwit always considers himself the pinnacle of intelligence.

>>14533605
>see people doing stupid shit all the time
>cope by realizing that they are just fucking themselves over and it benefits you
>eventually you're on the receiving end of their actions
>chimpout
>OMG SOMEONE LOCK THIS SKIZO

>>14533836
Sure bud.

>>14533714
mental illness lowers your IQ substantially, you are deluded if you think that mental illness isn't lowing your IQ. if your brain is malfunctioning for any reason, it is going to reduce your IQ.

>>14533605
Being a midwit correlates with mental illness because the lifestyle and belief system of a typical midwit is not conducive to physical and mental health.

>>14533898
Want to try that again? This time perhaps actually reading what was written before you reply?

>>14533605
Some knowledge were never meant for humans. So thats why they stand out. They looked too deep and found the abyss staring back. The knowledge they brought back made them octracized by the society who had not realized the depth of the abyss.

>>14533932
Quintessential midwit opinion. See >>14533904. Your beliefs stem from self-inflicted mental illness and mark a lack of intelligence.

>intelligence correlates with mental illness!!!
>how?
>well after a certain IQ threshold people start to be crazier!
>who told you IQ measures "intelligence"?
>w-well.. IT'S WRITTEN IN THE NAME OK

>>14533784
what %% of data traffic is porn? what it was 20 years ago?

>>14533972
>t. 90 iq intellectual

>>14533978
thanks for telling me I'm well adjusted and not a freak

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>>14533986
>schizo who believes in IQ has a schizo folder from which he can pull up some schizo quote of some schizo nobody in less than a minute
unlike you I don't get my reality from what a fantasy writer says

>>14533989
>schizo
Those are fighting words, bucko.

>>14533989
How did you get here from tiktok? Why are you here? I honestly don't understand why people on your intellectual level and with your sensibilities come here.

>>14533989
you have no argument, shill

>>14533989
pure, refined seething ad hominem

>>14534116
>ad hominem

>>14533605
because the the agreement upon the fact that someone is ''mentally ill'' is formed by average minded people

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>>14534109
>>14534116
meds

>>14534121
Classic average-minded take.

>>14534123
>meds

>>14534123
shill, come up with something more innovatory than standard retarded argument "meds"

>>14534123
Don’t mind if I do.

>>14534119
ad hominem

>>14533605
>Why does intelligence correlate with mental illness?

It most defiantly does NOT.
Ben was an Alpha Male Chad and one one of the smartest people that ever lived.
When he died was one of the most famous and respected persons in the world.

>>14533989
thanks for proving that you are just a paid shill

>>14534131
Freemason therefore not a chad

>>14533605
Overthinking = prone to anxiety due to constant thoughts about various things which could go wrong in any given situation.

A very stupid person, like actually below average, might have anxiety for different reasons like say a phobia of enclosed spaces. But the usual anxiety is from an overactive mind.

It correlates but not to the extent of a vast majority. Somewhere around half are disordered, probably less. And at that point, if you're above 145, it's likely a very easy feat to convince yourself you are disordered. Intelligent people can logically rail themselves into a corner with ease, because intelligent people often think that they are right and along with that mode of thinking comes every excuse and alternative route they can take to validate their righteousness.

>>14533992
>>14533993
>>14534109
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>>14534132
how many IQ tests have you paid for before getting a 100? must have taken you a long time, nobody gets this angry if they have no skin in the game

>>14534179
just admit you have no argument, shill

>>14533700
What you're describing is how I felt as someone born in New Hampshire who lived in Texas for a brief period.

>>14534138
>Freemason therefore not a chad

Not "just" a Freemason.
He served as Grand Master of Pennsylvania in 1734 and Provincial Grand Master of Pennsylvania in 1749.
While in Paris during the American Revolution, Franklin became a member of the Lodge of Nine Sisters (La Loge des Neuf Soeurs), serving as its Venerable Master from 1779 to 1781.

>>14534255
>you have no argument shill
>meanwhile me, who uses a one-off test made by a clueless french teacher a century ago to measure something as complex as the sum total of a person's intelligence, has plenty of good arguments

>>14534321
85 iq take

>>14533927
>my brain doesn't work right
>that means i have high iq
Grandiose delusions are another indicator of low IQ
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grandiose_delusions
"mental illness" and "brain damage" are synonymous terms, if you are either of them, you are low IQ

>>14534321
so, what exactly is your argument, shill?

>>14533605
let me reformulate that: why smart people are afflicted with mental illness that destroy them at the end?

>>14534428
I see your answer to my question, if you'd like to try actually reading what I wrote before you reply, is "no".

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>>14533714
new science just dropped
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.05.26.22275621v1

>>14535958
Ah yes, thank you. I do find it somewhat amusing people continue to study this when the overall findings of studies for many decades now keeps confirming what is essentially the same thing. "No relationship" and "a protective effect" seems generally consistently found.

Thanks for adding it.

>>14535958
> medrxiv.org
not science, disinformation

>>14535958
>High intelligence even appears as a protective factor for general anxiety and PTSD.
Correlation does not imply causation. Did they control for military service since that is a risk factor for PTSD? People coming from financially disadvantaged households with few work opportunities have greater stress and anxiety than those from economically privileged backgrounds. It's not that lower IQ leads to increased stress and anxiety but the unfair conditions that people with low IQ have to suffer under capitalism lead to increased stress and anxiety. And the privileged lifestyles that people with higher IQ have no shit provide a "protective effect" and they evidently didn't control for that either. That study is bunk. You could almost say: debunked.

>>14533972
Based. IQ is fake it doesn't even measure intelligence it just measures how well an individual can recognize patterns of pixels on a screen. The pool of possible patterns to look for can be learned too so IQ is fake.

>>14533605
Midwit says pop sci makes sense so you are ill, and they deserve to be right. To be serious define mental illness

>>14536563
>That study is bunk. You could almost say: debunked.
You didn't debunk anything. You just sharted out standardized leftoid drivel...

>the unfair conditions that people with low IQ have to suffer under capitalism lead to increased stress and anxiety.
... but allow me to help you out with something closer to a valid point: being exposed to a constant stream of stress hormones in the womb will fuck you up epigenetically, and this effect would be very hard to control for.

>>14533605

it doesn't
it's all about genetics and how one is being raised

>>14533605
God had to nerf us during kali yuga or we wouldnt let the retard NPC overrun everything the way they are supposed to

>>14536633
blaming genetics is psyop and disinformation. funny, animals don't suffer from DSM5

>>14536563
Since you appear unaware, that is not how you generally approach a subject with a long history of research. While individual studies have limitations, it is the totality or corpus or suite of evidence taken together that determines ones sense of something.

The only relevance an individual paper tends to have, barring the exceptional, is when someone raises it as a point in favor of something contested when the study itself cannot support the claim. For this topic, there have been longitudinal studies aplenty that control for things like poverty (often described "SES" or socioeconomic status). There are also studies on this in behavioral biology, specifically genetics, that likewise show a protective or resistance effect. Retrospectives from cohorts in other studies that've recorded mental illnesses or cognitive declines, also, tend to show this.

This is why dismissing a whole idea on the mistaken assessment of a single study is just, well, not even wrong. It's laughable. Childish. Like dismissing IQ, the single most well evidenced construct in all of psychometrics, due to the personal failure to understand by cherrypicking believed refutations. Sure, follow fads like that if you want, but you're only letting everyone else know you're a fool.

>>14534559
>what exactly is your argument
that IQ tests were developed by some random guy to test children and somehow have been memed into the mainstream as a measure of intelligence.
we took centuries (or millennia if you want) to understand how two fucking simple particles interact and yet you think a random test of pattern matching can measure something we can't even describe?
delusional

>>14536711
>Letting everyone know you know literally nothing about a subject.

>>14534152
>overthinking = prone to anxiety
Wrong
>>14534286
The ‘Grand Architect’ is a shit engineer and I can machine to better tolerances than he can.

>>14533605
IQ means you have a more sensitive memory and I believe that in an intelligent person the connections between neurons are just naturally stronger or there is less stimulation required to get them to form a connection. This means they are more sensitive to negative events in their childhood. You may have to punish a retarded child 20 times before it stops doing something but if you yell at a kid with high IQ once it will never do the thing you yelled at it for again and will develop fears and anxiety

>>14533898
>if your brain is malfunctioning for any reason, it is going to reduce your IQ.
Literally how? What goes on in your amygdala has nothing to do with your prefrontal cortex

>>14536868
Intellect =/= Personality.

>>14533605
More braincells to process stuff , bigger possibility for things to go awry (mental illness ).

>>14533605
Take the extreme case. It is not hard to believe that if you took the 99 least smart people in the world (by any metric you like) and the smartest person in the world and put them in the same building for a month, the smartest person would go insane. It's at least a reasonable outcome.

>>14536907
If he’s not resilient enough to deal with fools, he’s not smart.
What is a leader?

>>14534261
Yankee elitism at its finest

>>14533989
>some schizo nobody
Here's your (You), you fucking zoomer

>>14536711
IQ test is distraction of course, psyop. retards measure their dicks while government brainshits them with germ theory and other bullshit.

>>14533605
It doesn't.

>so many retards ITT taking OP's assumption at face value, not realizing it is in fact flat out wrong
I think the prevalence of mental illness here is significantly higher than average. You know, there is a correlation between intelligence and mental illness -- but that correlation is negative. Par for the course in fact, since intelligence is positively correlated with almost any good life outcome (even some that are completely counterintuitive), and negatively correlated with bad shit. Midwits gonna cope though.

>>14533975
ah yes what they used it for years after its invention is what it was invented for

>>14537132
>Another psychotard fuck, who is either oblivious to the suffering and degradation of the world around him, or simply doesn't care... chimes in to inform everyone that's he's perfectly happy and more intelligent than anyone who might have concerns.

Are we enjoying our bloated, gluttonous lifestyle then? Is it fun?
>NOM NOM NOM

>>14533605
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbOu-QxtbI4

>>14537132
Most people in the thread contradicted him and corrected him from the start. Is being this much an illiterate fuckwit a badge of pride for you?

>>14533605
I doubt it does. Almost everyone is within a few standard deviations of average and for those people you’d expect reported mental illness to decrease as the ability to cope with with everyday mental and emotional problems increases.

There may be a link between profound intelligence and mental illness—after all, such people’s mind are demonstrably abnormal—but I don’t think there’s any actual evidence for that. In any case, these people would be properly discarded as outliers if you were looking for a trend in the population as a whole.

Intelligence is a religious idea. It doesn't exist in reality, people just need to convince themselves they're better than others.

Intelligence is a religious idea. It doesn't exist in reality, people just need to convince themselves they're better than others by any means so new excuses have to be invented. In the end, it's still a terrible way to go through life.

>>14533628
>anxiety isn't a mental illness
it certainly can be

>>14540367
Well we got us a self-aware idiot here. Sorry bro that's got to be miserable to realize you're and idiot. God be with you.

>>14540548
That's all good. Now it's time for you to realize that you're an "idiot" as well. Jst give it a push, it may hurt at first but gradually you will come to see how goofy the whole "intelligence" bullcrap is.