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>>14528074FTS Archive, 3 stamps coming later this eveninghttps://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1KCJBL632oieD1r6JOh_5Eg9NTcf_-hH8?usp=sharing
FAA decision hype
>>14528086suomi
Musk is >>14528093
we're not getting an FAA announcement until tomorrow, arent we?
>>14528108I don't think so because today is1) A holiday2) Not the last day of the month
Leaker on Elle Two says that S24 will take some time to be repaired, but Booster 7 is proceeding with its test campaign. Expect B7 and S24 static fires to sync up with regards to timeline
>>14528093Won gold against the leaf people lolIt was wild in the streets last night, every single car had a flag flailing from the windows and each one honked when passing people on the street.Walked by the market (as is tradition) and people were packed on the roofs of the pavillions still under construction. Apparently it got a bit damaged in the celebration too
>>14528125ei tarvi mulle kertoatiedoksi, että jokainen postaaja täällä on jenkkiä larppaava suomalainen
zubrin
>>14528130>me when I shit
>>14528113oh yeah i forgot it was a major federal holiday today
>>14528124>Larper on Elle Twoftfy
>>14528128Huutista
>>14528137Probably but oh well. Los Dos is just a bunch of people sucking off one or two verified leakers 24/7
BRILLIANT
PEBBLES
SON OF BARNEY
>>14528128>jenkkiäkek
Knower hereFAA has decided to delay for another monthThey won't have a proper excuse just "finalizing paperwork"
>>14528200lol, Berger already has the announcement. FONSI will be live on tuesday, as stated. you are forever look like a retard
>>14528200>KnowerI've noticed only schizos use this word.
>Sierra Club is suing SpaceX oh here we go, they are getting their campaign started https://www.activistfacts.com/organizations/194-sierra-club/
>>14528234Lol they are trying to get them for the beach accessIts over
>>14528225its also used as a joke
>>14528214But anon i AM berger
>>14528261Discerning the difference between "saying dumb things because I think it's funny" and "saying dumb things because I'm a retard schizo" does not have any real utility to me.
Tomorrow the beetles will finally lose the war.
>>14528283The war is only starting >>14528234
>sierra club arrives to protest the launch>suddenly starship swoops down out of the fog and scorches them all like roaches, before flying back up into the sky like it was never there.
>>14528283beetle BBQ incoming
Why doesn't the Sierra club just make their own beach?
FAA report has been released!https://www.faa.gov/sites/faa.gov/files/space/stakeholder_engagement/spacex_starship/Summary_Draft_PEA_for_SpaceX_Starship_Super_Heavy_at_Boca_Chica.pdfMitigated FONSI, SpaceX has to spend around ~$50M on conservation. 3 launches per year.
>>14528319>3 launches per year.Spacex lost
>>14528319>3 launches per year.Florida, Ho!
>>14528319>3 launches per year.It's over
>>14528319>3 launches per year.It's over, beetles won.
>>145283225 to 3, not bad for a glorified R&D site
>>14528319Um bros what is the status on the oil rigs?
>>14528322>>14528323>>14528325>>14528328How new are you? It's been public news for many months.
>>145283293 launches is nothing They can't even do the HLS demo with 3 launches....
>>14528336Yeah, but down to 3 per year means they'll probably move R&D to Florida as well.
>Potential impacts on minority and low-income residentsVery important point
>>14528319>>14528200LolLmao
>>14528341Have one for posterity.
>>14528336I never heard anything about it being reduced to 33 is pointless, you need 5 for a hls mission
each minute we get a minute closer to lunch
>>14528319Thats pretty gay
>>14528322>>14528323>>14528325>>14528328>>14528329>>14528330>>14528337>>14528339>>14528340Click the link retards that’s not it.
>>14528319>SpaceX would educate its personnel on the potential for vehicle collisions with ocelots and jaguarundis and encourage personnel to reduce speeds along SH 4. Any contractor or employee disobeying speed limits would be disciplined.nooo you can't just go fast reee
>>14528319That's from September 2021, you braindead Earther https://www.faa.gov/space/stakeholder_engagement/spacex_starship>A copy of the September 2021 Draft PEA is available here for download.> Executive Summary of the Draft PEA – in English (PDF) [https://www.faa.gov/sites/faa.gov/files/space/stakeholder_engagement/spacex_starship/Summary_Draft_PEA_for_SpaceX_Starship_Super_Heavy_at_Boca_Chica.pdf]
>>14528349epic troll
>>14528349Yes it is. 3 in development phase and 5 in operational phase Musk is finished
>>14528353Sorry wrong link, public link should be out in a few minutes. It's up on L2
>>14528349>readingUh no thanks
/sci/ is the second dumbest board/sfg/ is the dumbest general
>>14528361Also available on our discord ;)
>>14528319>>14528361HUGE larp, and everyone took the bait
>>14528361Its on 4chan Gold already
>>14528368I was too busy shitposting to care
>>14528319aagaghaahgathey barely did 3 launches with the suborbital prototypes, whats all the fuss about
>>145283753 launches means they require florida or the rigs to do the HLS demo mission
>>14528319What were they thinking, should have submitted an expanded non-launch related infrastructure after approval for orbital flight, this really held them back I think from getting approval sooner.
>>14528375>>14528378>>14528379>still taking the bait
>>14528375Starship needs 15 refuels just to reach the Moon and even more for Mars they can't do jack shit with 3
>>14528319nice
>>14528319>SpaceX could conduct missions of the Starship prototype launch vehicle as authorized by the current license (LRLO 20-119). The license expires on May 27, 2022.oh snap
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Threadly reminder to get a job: https://www.spacex.com/careers/?department=Facilities%2520and%2520Physical%2520Security
>>14528385Just gotta wait 5+ years!
did they really remove my perfectly related post that also include a WEBM of a rocket launch?
Reposting my incorrectly [Deleted] post:>>14528379What were they thinking, they should have submitted an expanded non-launch related infrastructure after approval for orbital flight, this really held them back I think from getting approval sooner.
But honestly if it ended up being 5 launches per year wouldn't that launch site be pointless for starship, maybe if it was any other rocket.
>>14528405>But honestly if it ended up being 5 launches per yearnewfags have never seen this diagram before. you have to go back
>>14528405Yes, Starship needs ~10 refuels just to reach the Moon and even more for Mars, so they couldn't do anything with 5 launches
>>14528412They really need to get a bare-bones oil rig launch platform going solely for the sheer amount of tanker launches that will be needed
>>14528410Maybe they have revised this since, given that the FAA has stated that spacex changed their proposal multiple times.I don't think they want to do many suborbital launches anymore
>>14528404second tower, desalination plant, power plant etc is not happening unless spacex did the work and submitted the request information.
>>14528421I know thats not happening but its what they initially proposed that delayed the PEA we are waiting on now for so long given how many times its said they modified it (to remove all things not related and immediately required for orbital flight test)Get it through your thick skull, I'm saying they could have saved themselves a lot of trouble and time by not taking this risk in the first place.
>>14528426i see, however this>(to remove all things not related and immediately required for orbital flight test)is still speculation. hopefully only until tomorrow
>>14528430Its speculation but its the logical thing to do, to prevent further delays and excessive scrutiny, their goal should be orbital flight test, and everything else is secondary
I'm just curious how much environmental impact *really* changes between 5 launches and 500 launches.Like, regardless some shit is going to crash and dump some chemicals. Some RUDs will make some fireballs and scatter some tiles everywhere. Some ocelots will have their hearing blown out. Big whoop.
>>14528438The FAA doesn't have the paperwork available for a proper commercial spaceport.
>>14528438It changes it so that an EIS is required.The argument made for FONSI was that the CUMULATIVE impact of the propose operations didn't exceed the impact of the already approved f9/f9 heavy operations.
>>14528438That many launches would pretty mich permanently close public beach access and prevent the traditional native activity of ripping up the coastal ecosystem with offroad vehicles, a true cultural tragedy
>>14528448kek
>>14527854hey, i never claimed to. just seemed like a good idea, if you had a suitably large long-period comet that wouldn't be seriously disrupted by a large probe landing (like the upcoming c/2017 and bernadelli-bernstein ones)>>14527857in my (uneducated) opinion, i think the boundary to deep space is lunar orbit. everything beyond the moon's orbit/hill sphere is deep space imo.
>>14528438I doubt you would have to worry about animals at that point because I don't think any would live there due to sound.
>>14528467>hey, i never claimed to. just seemed like a good idea, if you had a suitably large long-period comet that wouldn't be seriously disrupted by a large probe landing (like the upcoming c/2017 and bernadelli-bernstein ones)the gist of it is that no matter at what point in the comets orbit your velocity relative to that comet is zero (required for landing on it), then you are exactly in the same orbit.thus there would be no delta-v benefit in 'hitching a ride'.
>>14528478Just smash into it, yolo
>>14528500the chad lithogravity assist
>>14528500>lithocapture
When we all move to Elon's Mars, I recommend pre ordering properties (summer houses) on one of its moons, Deimos. The gravitational force is so low there, the escape velocity is like 12mph so you can do some fun experiments. Or you can jump off a tall building and keep falling for a few minutes and still land softly, with the speed of 2-3mph. Or you can even jump from a plane without a parachute and still land safely. Just be careful not to fly too high otherwise you might never land.
what's the point of sending solar sail probes and other super high velocity probes beyond the solar system right now?the deep space network is nowhere near powerful enough to get any data from them beyond, like, 350 au at the absolute furthest. hell, voyager 1 won't even be able to get picked up by the DSN in a few years, and it's not even at 200 au.how do we make the deep space network powerful enough to be useful at distances beyond the orbit of sedna? let's say for a second, what if the hypothetical Planet Nine actually exists, and gets discovered? it's estimated average distance is around 500 AU. how on earth would we send a probe there and actually receive any data from it?
>>14528545*fistbump* fellow Deimosian here.Winchell Chung has written several posts on how Mars is for chumps, and that Deimos is where it's at for access to the Solar System. All the resources; none of the deltaV up and down from Mars' surface.I suppose the trick is, what's the plan for building livable quarters. Ultimately carving out the middle of the moon and spinning it all toward 3.7 m/s2 centrifugal force, for the Solar System's biggest O'Neill cylinder and fully radiation-shielded. But that won't happen overnight.
>>14528547Probably by using technologies we've already invented since fucking 1975. Bigger probe with more on-board power storage, and a laser for message output.
(you) again
New Kiger (Kino + Eager) Networkhttps://youtu.be/DdENNe34b3U
>>14528590>Isp alone isn't a good metric to compare this engines. We need a new metric, miracles per second, or mps or m/s. It measures how many miracles on average are required every second in order to prevent the engine from either melting, killing the crew, or both. I'd say this one has a fairly high value for mps.Kek, sounds about right.
>>14528566how large of a probe/power supply are you expecting, exactly? the nearest star system is 270,000 AU away, so unless you're implying that the probe's communication capabilities are gonna be more than 1,400 times as powerful as the voyager probes, which themselves are significantly more powerful than new horizons (a probe which uses "technologies we've invented since fucking 1975"), then we're not gonna be able to communicate with them or receive anything from them at all
>>14528566>we've already invented since fucking 1975.Space is hard, please understand.
>>14528547>>14528599Just spam a daisy chain of them. How hard could it be to mass produce and launch 1,000 Voyager probes?
>>14528547The probes would transmit using lasers, not radio.
>>14528599>so unless you're implying that the probe's communication capabilities are gonna be more than 1,400 times as powerful as the voyager probes, which themselves are significantly more powerful than new horizons (a probe which uses "technologies we've invented since fucking 1975")M8, this is easy, have you even put any thought into it at all? I think you're just assuming it couldn't be done.If you need an RTG that lasts longer than a Pu-238 RTG, then you pick a different isotope. Am-241 is the obvious choice. It has a half-life of hundreds of years, not decades.
>>14528606i know you're joking, but it wouldn't be that hard, if only the world gave a fuck about stuff like that.imagine if we made hundreds of voyager-likes with updates using tech we've developed since they first launched, like powerful, efficient ion thrusters on board to help them gain far more velocity, larger, more efficient power supplies and more robust scientific instrumentsimagine the data we could collect from a fleet of them scattered in all directions, each doing flybys of distant TNOs and cataloging the entire outer solar system
>>14528625the problem isn't how long the isotope lasts, it's the broadcasting and receiving capabilities of the probe. jamming more power into it means you can have a stronger signal, but it's not a more precise one
>>14528648Literally just use a pulsed laser instead of radio. It can charge capacitors for weeks if needed, then blast out a laser signal bright enough to burn your retinas from a light-year away.
>>14528644>powerful, efficient ion thrustersThose require a nuclear reactor to be useful that far from the sun, at which point you should send people in manned NEP/fusion spacecraft and bring the Pioneers and Voyagers back with them.
>>14528599> as the voyager probes, which themselves are significantly more powerful than new horizonsNTA nor do I want to dogpile you but Voyager was 249 watts and New Horizons was 240 watts. You just assumed it would have to be 1,400 times more powerful, the ground antennas couldn't be improved and that it would use the same technology as 45 year old interplanetary mission instead of a visible wavelength laser or some other shit. You would however be correct to point out that RTGs wouldn't make sense for a high power interstellar probe and the mass is already an obstacle for low power spacecraft.
>>14528283finallybut they should've been stopped sooner
>>145280863 new stamps, procured from my mom's old stamp collection from the 80's. 2 new countries; West-Germany and France.https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1OC571PY-_g8JMkTr7cQvZQ6SShAhdOgb?usp=sharing
>>14528684The Erdfunkstelle Earth communications satellite dish in Raisting Germany
>>14528695And a Space Shuttle stamphttps://drive.google.com/drive/folders/11IPkByv9XSvnV7eN6md7jhhsjGVRCPcn?usp=sharing
>>14528321>Every bygone Venus surface mission proposal has supposed that their design will be energy poor and thus unable to pull off active cooling. This proposal says fuck that, kilowatts of continuous power, active cooling = thousands of hours of probe life easy, and by the way the thing flies so if the heat pump can't keep up it can just move to a higher, colder layer of atmosphere periodically to dump excess heat.That's fucking awesome, this is the kind of ambition and bold design that Starship enables, fucking love it
>>14528665there isn't much resistance, so they won't really slow downeven if they just use the ion thrusters to the orbit of saturn and no further, it could add an additional 15 km/s in speed overall, or around 3 au/year. combined with hydrazine thrusters and a jupiter gravity assist, you could get a craft going something like 35 km/s in total, more than twice as fast as the voyagers.that means you could get them out there in less than half the time, and get them much, much further before the power supply eventually runs out. nuclear batteries like those don't degrade based on how much you use them, they degrade based solely on time. so the faster you go, the more distance you can cover before the battery goes out
>>14524097>Cooming>It will also give us immediate access to all archived information.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brainstorm_(1983_film)#Plot>"One team member, Gordy, has sexual intercourse while wearing the recorder, and shares the tape with colleagues, including Hal. Hal splices one section of the tape into a continuous orgasm, which results in sensory overload, leading to his forced retirement. Tensions increase as the possibilities for abuse become clear. ">"Suffering from heart problems and a constant cigarette smoker, Lillian suffers a heart attack while working alone. Realizing she is about to die, Lillian records her experience.Michael later decides to experience Lillian's recording, but nearly dies when his body simulates a heart attack."Fuggg X:DDDDD
>>14528711Plus it absolutely humiliates the Venera landers. Anything that makes Rogozin do pic/vid related is good.https://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1653926039323.webm
>>14528761>implying this will ever happenlol
>>14528713>7 AU/yearWouldn't that take around 38,000 years to reach Proxima Centauri? I don't see any remotely realistic option for an interstellar probes besides small laser sail probes with sub-gram atomic batteries and even that would require like a 100 GW laser.>inb4 just throw nuclear bombs from your spacecraft, bro
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>>14528788Interstellar travel is so far into the future that It's practically pointless to talk about it before near to faster than FTL speeds are somehow achievableIn the meantime, the furthest we can think of now is some TNO probe/orbiter with SS
>>14528788Ol' boomboom only has an Isp of about 3000 seconds. That's laser thermal material, not laser sail.
once the voyager probe is about to run out of power, is it possible for NASA to say "fuck it", shut down all the currently running instruments, and cycle through the disabled but still-functioning instruments that they shut off years ago in order to conserve energy?i know it sounds pointless, but for most of those instruments, they have never been used in interstellar space before. i know the PLS and PPS are too fucked up to re-enable, but imagine what kind of data we could get from the radio science system or IRIS/UVS in interstellar space. also, they might have lost most of the software for it, but imagine if they could find a way to briefly turn the imaging system back on and get pictures from 160 AU out.it would be amazing to get that kind of data, would be much nicer to see voyager go out like that rather that just slowly shutting down each system at a time and going out with a whimper in 2025-ish
Interstellar travel lacks the soul of the realism brought by the limitations of our current technologies
>>14528788i'm not talking about interstellar probes here, i'm just talking about stuff that would let us explore and catalogue the outer solar system in much greater detail. imagine a few hundred voyager-like probes going at 7AU/year in all directions and coordinating with earth and space telescopes to do flybys and collect data on thousands of TNOs, ETNOs, and sednoids
>>14528814Somehow I feel like even that is too ambitious/unorthodox/too "risky" for NASAI recall Carl Sagan having to almost fight the team at JPL to convince them to take the Pale Blue Dot photo as they were about to shut off Voyager's camerasAnd for Cassini, a "public engagement camera" was almost not included, it was an afterthought.Though I think NASA understands their importance now and Ingeunity shows a more risk tolerance than before so maybe they would do something cool like that if the instruments still work and all. A last hail-mary photo from 125 AU of our system would be so cool
>>14528814Yeah im kinda curious if the camera still works >>14528829>And for Cassini, a "public engagement camera" was almost not included, it was an afterthought.did you mean Juno?
>>14528829>Carl Sagan having to almost fight the team at JPL to convince them to take the Pale Blue Dot photo as they were about to shut off Voyager's camerasThe absolute state if true
>>14528829NASA rushing at the last minute to try and find the software for it, get it running and get the instrument to work on voyager to take a final series of pictures would be kinoit'll actually be at around 165 AU by 2025 when it runs out of power. imagine "the furthest picture ever taken"but yeah, i can't help but feel the same way. i feel like NASA will just pussy out, even though the science they could perform with those instruments would be extremely valuable, and the PR would be enormous.
>>14528814I think when a Voyager dies it might just go out instantly without warning, so really they face the following problem1. Do you cycle through the instruments at a random point in time, maybe even before the power could run out, potentially causing the probe to die out before its time?2. Or do you just hope for the best and wait for the probe to die naturally, missing out on data, but keeping the 40-year long mission alive a little longer3. You have two probes, maybe just cycle the other and wait with the second
Speaking of Voyager what's going on with Voyager 1 and erratic data
>>14528858It passed out of physics-loading range
>>14528858McCulloch is asking for a copy of the raw data to see if there's QI fuckery afoot but NASA told him no.
>>14528851Maybe we wouldn't have to face this dilemma if we had like hundreds of probes in a similar situation to the Voyagers instead of just two.
>>14528872Keep in mind that ground stations are limited, and you'd have to track and follow all the data.Sure, a probe every 5 years or so would probably be manageable, but hundreds is a full kerbal solution with no practical possibility
>>14528875>hundreds is a full kerbal solution with no practical possibilityWhere's that Shotwell quote about people needing to think about a post-Starship world? I was only half kidding in >>14528606.
>>14528851at the very least, i'd try and get the software required to re-enable and run the various disabled instruments on both probes readyas far as the first question and second questions, i would without a doubt cycle through the instruments of voyager 1 as soon as it becomes possible to do so. the observations from those instruments, which have never been run in interstellar space before, are far more scientifically than a couple more years of data from the same instruments that have been taking interstellar measurements for an entire decade now.cycling through the instruments does pose a risk of total system failure, but as you point out, at this point there's always a chance of random total system failure even without cycling through. this could be one of only two chances to get measurements from instruments like those in interstellar space for many, many decadesas far as question number three, i wouldn't mess with voyager 2 at all, at least, until it's ABOUT to run out of power. the reason why being that voyager 2's plasma spectrometer is still running and working right now, whereas voyager 1's is busted. voyager 2 has all of voyager 1's working instruments and then some, so while risking voyager 1 is bad, it's significantly better than risking voyager 2
>>14528875>ground stations are limitedbuild more>you'd have to track and follow all the datahire more peopleit's that easy
>>14528829>And for Cassini, a "public engagement camera" was almost not included, it was an afterthought.We really ought to make a list of all the examples of NASA being awful at pr
Elon was right btw
>>14528911about?
>>14528918about details of his purchase
>>14528923can you be a bit more specifictwitter?
>>14528935yes
>>14528935>purchaseHe's gonna buy the Earth?
>>14528814I love those probes like you wouldn't believe.
>>14528946TAKE THE PICTURE
please, god, tell me we're getting a third new horizons flybyi really hope that JWST can help find additional targets for NH to do flybys of, while it still has the fuel for course corrections. it would be really lame if we missed the chance
>>14528438Noise is the biggest concern for animals.
>>14528945Earth is a bit too much, he should buy some African country near the equator, or just an island.
https://mobile.twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1531330704381984768> Still early stages on that. Getting Starship reliably to orbit, then achieving full & immediate reusability of both stages is by far top priority.So they are working on colonization stuff a bit on the backround, but I guess musk is not using any attention on it
>>14528901>budget balloons exponentiallyIt really is that expensive>>14528891I don't doubt that it's the software that would ever be an issue, but another thing to consider is the upload and download speeds at that distance. It would take months to transmit even a simple image (which it can't since the system used film and it's all gone by now). The transmit speeds for Voyager 2 is 160 bits per second, and that was 3 years ago, it's even lower now.You'd probably have to do some workarounds to get the data crushed down or simplified to get it back in any reasonable amount of time
>>14528963You have to walk before you can run
>>14528954I want newhorizons for Eris, bro
>>14528909PR really isn't too important for NASA, since their budget comes mainly from the scientific goals that they reach. They have gotten a lot better at it since their dark ages of 199X-201X or so, Junocam is entirely off-project and is decoded by volunteers.
NASA is shit at PR. They think the public fears failure, but the public actually doesn’t mind failure as long as there’s inspiration. SpaceX still wins hearts and minds despite blowing up a dozen Starships because they have a dream, and we’re a part of it too. NASA wants to put 2 people on Mars who are not you and me. SpaceX wants average people to be able to go to space. That’s NASA’s issue. If NASA set out to build a reusable rocket say, 20 years ago, and promised that all of us could go, I guarantee people wouldn’t be so disillusioned with themOn that note, aside from starship-style, what reusable rocket designs could actually work? Dolphin-sex shuttle?
>>14528965Actually to correct myself, Voyagers didn't use film, they used a modified TV camera with a whopping resolution of 800x800 µm pixels.Most likely these sensors are long dead after 32 years of inactivity and radiation, likely too energy intensive to be activated for even a single scan.
>>14528963In an alternate universe, Bezos is far less homosexual and busy working in parallel to develop, build, and coordinate optimal payloads for the first two hundred Starships.
>>14528989NASA has more to fear with their history, SpaceX has never lost a single crew member, NASA has a catastrophic list of 17 names.It's strange how the meme goes that everything Soviet is poor quality and dangerous, when the Soviets only ever killed four cosmonauts in total
>>14528963makes sensestarship is the foundation of the whole plancolonization plans are worthless if you can't get there in the first place
>>14528978>PR really isn't too important for NASA, since their budget comes mainly from the scientific goals that they reach.I'm thinking mainly of examples like Apollo 11's horrendous last minute slapped together television broadcast. I'm sure people being able to actually see what was happening on the Moon when they still gave a shit would have helped stave off the immediate evaporation of public interest in the space program. It just sometimes feels like NASA is determined to make spaceflight seem like the most dull, uninteresting thing ever
>>14528963Elon Musk is all about saving humanity, going to Mars is just one part of that. Imminent nuclear war with China is a more immediate threat to humanity, and certainly a serious threat to his plans. Therefore, colony development can wait, the rockets come first because the rockets are dual-use technology that will be used to protect America in a nuclear war with China, or even better, prevent that war from occurring in the first place.
>>14528976someday. the problem with all of this stuff is that it takes place over decades and decades and decades. even if they decided today to go all-in on an eris probe, the planning and construction time, launch windows and sheer distance would mean it would take 25 years at least. in reality, they don't give much of a fuck about eris so they're unlikely to send anything to do a flyby of it, even as a secondary mission, for many decades.unless probes and spaceflight get vastly cheaper and more efficient in general (i'm talkin a 10 or 20-fold improvement), it might be 80 years until an eris flyby. we will most likely be dead by then.
>>14528940K
>>14529001Space often has to be dumbed down for the wider demographic, imagine if they were catered to an audience who knew their shit. It would be awesome for anyone invested in spaceflight, but it could likely alienate outside viewers looking to get into spaceflight.I guess we have some kind of a solution today, with official streams being for the wide demographic, and smaller streamers being focused on the details
>>14528989Not just NASA, its general USG culture of fear of public failure that is really holding us back https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/02/03/america-led-hypersonic-technology-then-other-countries-sped-past/>Air Force Gen. John E. Hyten tried to explain this paradox to a group of defense writers back in October, when he was preparing to retire as vice chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. A fundamental problem, he said, was the military’s aversion to failure. Early tests of cruise missiles that could fly at speeds of Mach 20 — 20 times the speed of sound — weren’t successful. As a result, the technology became toxic.Whats ironic is that some of the best tech was fraught with failures before finally fixed and working flawlessly since but they tend to forget that and expect no failure as the default after being used to many successes
>>14528963To be fair that was a very narrow question and the complexity of power-to-methane is often overestimated. Audi already has a plant about the size of what's needed for a small Mars colony. Returning from Mars should be considered an afterthought, there are plenty of people willing to go to Mars even if there's no guarantee they'll be back within 10 years.
>>14528863Lel. Grifters gona grift. "Something unexpanded happened therefore QI". If he was at all serious he would come up with a hypothesis first. You can always look at the answer and then wave your hands to explain it, the difficult bit is actual prediction.
Yeah, NASA has poor PR, but I very liked this video. It was made under Jim's administration.https://youtu.be/vl6jn-DdafMIt's much better than this one.https://youtu.be/bmC-FwibsZg
>>14528978Junocam is a step in the right direction. I wish only they would sacrifice a little bit of science to do a big thing for PR. For example Curiosity could make an actual video roving around and moving its arm. They could also make a little timelapse with Junocam where we can see the craft moving relative to Jupiter.
Dragonfly will take 24h to download 1 mb. Just look at this tiny antenna at the distance of Saturn
>>14529037Why not just send a bigger helicopter to Mars?
>>14528959>he should buy some African country near the equator, or just an island.why not both?
>>14529047>buy some countryNot that easy in private entities buying their own countries. UN prevents it
>>14529045and maybe some brushes too?
>>14529047Why not Sealand 2.0 with the oil rigs?
>>14529047This is arguably the best run African country around. Probably because the people have a lot of Portuguese blood (Africans never discovered this island themselves, the Portuguese found it utterly uninhabited in the 15th century.) The Roman Catholicism probably helps.
>>14529060Marshall Savage was right.
>>14529077what are the 8 steps?
>>14529082https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Millennial_ProjectStep 2 is seasteading as a way to develop and battle test closed ecosystems. I think Savage is wrong about the Mars-Earth cyclers, and I think some of his steps should be in different orders, but I believe he's got the right general idea.
>>14528989>see pic related>A wild HyperSoar appeared
>>14529077checked & based>>14529082see for yourself https://b-ok.cc/book/627150/834333
>>14529030>They could also make a little timelapse with Junocam where we can see the craft moving relative to Jupiter.Done already, over a million views too. Looks incrediblehttps://youtu.be/CC7OJ7gFLvE
>>14529124Though technically it's a 3d animation with images projected onto it, but it's the best you can do with JunoCam since Juno is spin stabilized. A video would get pretty nauseating very quickly, that is if JunoCam can take video.
>>14529045its hard to explore Titan from the surface of Mars
>>14529060That is what will happen, it removes the need for the launch site to be located on a natural gas pipeline or near a deep water port that can host LNG carriers. The only regulations that apply in international water are the regulations of wherever the ship/platform is registered. >>14529047The performance gain of launching near the equator isn't worth operating from a shithole country, SpaceX won't even launch out of South America, let alone Africa. The Guiana Space Centre has a launch site ready to go now that non-domestic Soyuz launches have been halted and it would strengthen ties with ESA.
>>14528994couldn't hurt to test it outthe backup hydrazine thrusters surprisingly worked, might as well check even if it takes a few days and requires some instrument to be shut down during that durationi understand it's risky, but the PR could unironically net NASA billions over the years
>On 21 March 2017, the launch of an Ariane 5 rocket carrying a Brazilian satellite and a South Korean satellite was prevented due to protesters and workers on strike from the CSG blockading the centre. Further strikes and occupation of the space centre meant that the satellites were not launched until May 2017. >Negotiations between the French government and Guianese protesters resulted in a rejection of a €1.1 billion offer made by the French, with the Guianese demanding at least €3 billion in aidThe audacity of these subhumans when the spaceport is responsible for around 15% of French Guiana’s GDP.
>>14529124>>14529129Yeah that animation is done made from a a few pictures, though some people seem to think the video is an actual video and the title kinda implies is. NASA being deceptive is a topic for another time. These animations couldnt do a real video justices, the clouds are in 3d. Junocam could take a picture every few hours to create a time-lapse though there would be some issues as the solar panels always have to be pointed toward the sun and the camera is fixed to the spacecraft.
>>14529155>how dare they demand better conditions
>>14529163>How dare the 1% of that country take payoffs from foreign labor unions to hamstring a space program when the entire country depends on the spaceport and its future operationsYes, now go back to R*ddit.
>>14529155FG is rather fucked. They're in the European Union which makes it very expensive to import from their neighbours and they're a long way from the rest of the EU. Prices are high for South America, comparable to Europe. There is huge unemployment because they get French benefits.
Powerful. Next we just have to unionize SpaceX and get them to operate within a postcolonial mindset so we don't perpetuate imperialism and the narrative of colonial space exploration as fundamental to the assumed human nature :^)
>And then there’s Gwynne Shotwell (Independent Advisor to the Board), whom fans of commercial space will immediately recognize as the President and Chief Operations Officer (COO) of SpaceX, and a member of their Board of Directors.ummm BASED!??!?!https://www.universetoday.com/155995/the-dream-of-faster-than-light-ftl-travel-dr-harold-sonny-white-and-limitless-space/
>>14529199Mauna Kea observatories are going next
>>14529269they just need a push
>>14529256Don't fall for this shit. Do you not remember his EM drive shit? Or how about his warp interferometer? No, I'm sure his new latest scam will totally work out.
>>14529277Thank you, FBI, very cool.
>>14528547>what's the point of sending solar sail probes and other super high velocity probes beyond the solar system right now?Solar sails are currently the best way to send automated seed ships to terrestrial planets.
>>14529279nonsensical reply, take your meds.
>>14529047unironically the most stable place both environmentally and politically to build an offshore space elevator.
>>14529392>space elevator>in the waterHell no, build it in the mountains near the Eye of Sahara
>>14529392Dangerously susceptible to attack from enemy aircraft and associated super-weapons.
/sfg/ science fiction general
>need to get starship re-usable before sending people to marshow long is that going to take?
>>14529428FSD will be ready this year
>>14529430xDDD
>>14529428this is obviously not going to be the constraint. the contstraint is the ship being reliable enough and having the ISRU capability on Mars to bring everyone back again if need be.
>>14529430speaking of this FSD is pretty neat and mostly works now
>>14529437>bring everyone backwe are in the age of reusable ships and expendable crew now
>>14529438>FSD is pretty neatAgree>and mostly works nowCope
>>14529446i mean i just threw fsd on youtube and i am seeing plenty of vids where its working most of the timehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NU3AN9z4rw
>>14529392The temperature consistency there is absolutely absurd. Good if you want to avoid issues with material expansion and contraction. The humidity however is absolutely brutal.
SpaceX engineers have been working hard behind the scenes during the FAA slowdown and believed to have solved all potential issues with cryo-refueling in microgravity. Dear Moon by Q2 '23.t. insider
Why is VASMIR so controversial? Isn’t it just an ion engine?
>>14529452>implying this is the bar for FSDThere is 1.5 fatal crashes for every 100,000,000 miles traveled.They are literally multiple orders of magnitude off.Also the Tesla comparisons of autopilot crashes compared to human crashes are a scam because autopilot makes tons of mistakes that would lead to a crash if people didnt intervene, especially when not highway driving.
>>14529469>believed to have solved all potential issueswe all think that at first, we are all wrong
>>14529469SpaceX likes to iterate with feedback from real world experience. It must have been annoying for them to have to shift to doing only theoretical analysis.
>>14529472I personally hate it because its been hyped for years as the thing that will revolutionize spaceflight with still nothing to show for it. Hearing the name gives be PTSD to the blackpilled days of the late aughts-early 10s, which I admit isn't exactly a good reason but I don't care
>>14529460Humidity is fine. Just don't fuck up your NTO valves.
at this point my typing/speaking style might be somewhat recognizable as "the guy with the retarded space ideas" but i'm legit wondering- is there anything (aside from potential cost) stopping us from just building a giant mirror array in space and using it to concentrate and redirect sunlight to power distant probes? i know it obviously dissipates over extremely long distances, but if you could concentrate it by just 1000-ish times, you would be able to give a probe as far as pluto a greater degree of solar energy than we receive on earth.juno proved that a spacecraft can operate indefinitely with just solar panels, as far out as jupiter's orbit, so only around 4% of earth's sunlight. that means you could power a probe requiring roughly the energy of juno at more than 750 AU out. if you needed, you could even put solar batteries on the probe so that when it gets beyond the range where it can operate constantly, you could still power it up by sending the beam to charge it up over the course of a few days, then let it run off battery power for a day or two, and cycle between those.even if you could only concentrate it a tenth as much, that'd still mean you could have solar-powered probes operating constantly at nearly twice the distance of pluto, and on-and-off for far furtherwould starship make a project like that feasible?
>>14529520>"the guy with the retarded space ideas"no that's me
How long until commercial space manufacturing is viable?
>>14529392How geologically stable is it? I used to think Cayambe would be a good place to anchor a space elevator but as a former volcano, it's probably not a great choice, even if it is literally rock solid.
>>14529523>Boeing logoThat'll be a quadrillion dollars, plus tip.
>>14529527quintillion*
>>14529523>commercialif by that you mean making goods that can be sold on earth then never.if you mean making that could be used in space then its viable the momement spacex starts selling starship flights.
>>14529535*making goods*the moment
>>14529535The novelty of anything manufactured in space could make it economically viable to make some trinkets though the price would quickly drop as exclusivity dropped, which then could make it no longer economically viable.
I’m hindsight, would it be better for SpaceX to get some more flight data on Raptor 2?>Ship 24 hypersonic flight >Booster 7 static fire campaign>Booster 8 does a “hop” to test Superheavy in flightOnly go to orbit once extra data on Raptor 2 is present, etc.
>>14529535>making goods that can be sold on earth then never.there are some niche applications where 0g manifacturing might actually be worth the trip https://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/station/research/news/b4h-3rd/eds-mis-building-better-optical-fiber/
>>14529558Hi hindsight
>>14529558How is that hindsight?And no, just fuckin send 'er bud.
Any shot Locksneed Martin actually builds their reusable concept rocket? If Starship works it’s gonna leave everyone in the dust, spacex and starship need competition. The Chinese are building their starship clone, I don’t know why an other American manufacturers are doing so as well
>>14529578What if it fails? SpaceX has not had a failed mission for a few years and 100+ launches now>Booster 7 fucking explodes at Max Q>John Insprucker awkwardly thanks the SpaceX team before closing the webcast
>>14528648>the problem isn't how long the isotope lastsIt kinda is, you're just arguing about scale of power source at this point. Build a bigger RTG.
>>14529595Lockheed’s vehicle is cool but it sucks as anything other than a Mars vehicle. It had 6 km/s of delta V with less than 5 tons of payload. It can’t even make Earth orbit from Falcon 9’s MECO velocity.
>>14528074Wasn't her EVA just pointless mucking around with tools? She said as much herself.
>>14528989>On that note, aside from starship-style, what reusable rocket designs could actually work? Dolphin-sex shuttle?Venture StarI will never stop being mad
>>14529599Oldspace brain
>>14529135ok Roger Irrelevant.But literally it would be easier to explore Titan from the surface of Mars, than from the surface of Earth, for several reasons. Less escape velocity to get off the Martian surface; less delta-V to get from a Mars orbit to a Saturn intercept, even without considering possible grav-assists from Venus and Earth and Jupiter. Also if there's a telescope on Deimos or Phobos it can see Titan with more clarity than can Webb at STL2.
>>14529621IIRC it was the first time that anything had been welded in space, basically just test welds and nothing mission critical
>>14529139Also worth pointing out is that most launches go west-to-east. If a launch goes RUD from South Texas or from east FL, the debris hits water. A RUD from Sao Tome might hit some mud hut in Zaire. Suddenly all the white roasties in the world are crying about black lives (which matter).
Wtf I just found out Japan is building a starship clone… for the 2040s!!!!SpaceX will be on fucking Pluto by thenhttps://twitter.com/tobyliiiiiiiiii/status/1368259694645551104?s=20&t=AISA1fAockZ2gupzhV7IfQ
>>14529646Good for them I guess. It’s not like ESA is close. Seriously how hard is it to make a reusable rocket?
>>14529633they didn't test welding
>>14529392>space elevatorThis is a not-gonna-happen. The geosync is NGH because it requires unobtanium rope. The Birch orbital ring in LEO is NGH because fuck off, nobody in the tropics is accepting a massive sun-blocking eyesore up above.In short, your meds are getting lonely, please give them some attention
>>14528959Elon should read Artemis by Andy Weir and take notes.Find some african nation on the east coast (Kenya in the novel) and offer to pump money into their economy building their infrastructure in exchange for allowing launches from there with an agreement to not interfere with red tape.
>>14529653>On July 25, 1984, Savitskaya became the first woman to spacewalk, conducting EVA outside the Salyut 7 space station for 3 hours and 35 minutes, during which she cut and welded metals in space along with her colleague Vladimir Dzhanibekov.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Svetlana_Savitskaya#Second_flight:_Soyuz_T-12
>>14529654>The Birch orbital ring in LEO is NGH because fuck off, nobody in the tropics is accepting a massive sun-blocking eyesore up above.This is why when Isaac Arthur or other futurists talk about orbital rings on Earth I cringe hard, not everyone subscribes to these ideas and obstructionists will ensure shit will not happen, not to mention all the people it would impact directly like you saidWe already have astronomers bitching about all the satellites, just wait till large orbital stations 10x the size of ISS start populating LEO lmao...
>>14529659I hate that fag.
>>14529658look at the actual tests they didthe russians completely botched itand nasa bothered to test it themselves
Krystal pissing
>>14529697Everything that I can find points at there being no problems with the test whatsoever
>>14529472No it's an electric plasma engine, which is fundamentally different. It uses microwaves to ionize gas and heat the resulting plasma a bunch then a magnetic nozzle to direct the resulting very hot plasma out of the interior of the engine. An ion drive on the other hand produces ions from a gas then passes the ions between two grids held at a huge voltage. The ions repel against the first grid, but as soon as they pass it they are attracted to the second plate while the first still repels them, resulting in huge acceleration. The now very fast ions on the other side of the second grid slow down slightly as they're still attracted to that grid, but electrons from an electron gun swiftly neutralize the ions, leaving them free to zip away at close to 100% of their peak velocity. Issues with plasma thrusters are efficient heating of the plasma and thermal management among other things, plus they are power hogs. Issues with ion thrusters are rapidity and effectiveness of ion neutralization (trying to keep the exhaust velocity as close to peak velocity as possible) and also physical erosion of electrodes (as ion smashing into them at tens, even hundreds of kilometers per second has a non-zero effect over many many weeks of constant use). Also there's actually many ion drive types but they all share the same basic mechanism of "make ions, electromagentically accelerate them", whereas plasma drives are "make extremely super hot plasma, let it accelerate itself". They're different because . . . they just are okay??
>>14529500>NTO propelled space elevator climbers
>>14528398I am not trained or experienced in plumbing. It's just not that easy in employmentry.
>>14529520Better off using big solar arrays near the Sun to generate power to feed into laser arrays that beam power wherever. Lasers experience much less in terms of beam spreading than any mirror reflection of a typical light source, and also you can tune your laser array to produce the wavelength that your best photovoltaics absorb most efficiently (for example, modern panels absorb reddish light the best I think, I dunno I'm retarded). Anyway you definitely want to turn Mercury into a Dyson swarm of power satellites firing sustained output petawatt lasers into the solar system for delivering energy to various spacecraft and human settlements and such.
>>14529526>How geologically stable is it?>ice on topIt's not stable, simple as.
>>14529392I wouldn't call france "enviromentally and politically stable"
>>14529599What would a few hop tests validate that would ensure the engine will continue to perform during max Q? What even makes you think engines get stressed during max Q? Max Q is just the moment at which reductions in drag force due to increasing altitude win over increases in drag force due to vehicle acceleration, meaning the drag force and thus dynamic loads on the vehicle have peaked.
dubs and faa delays review till june 30
>>14529599>What if it fails?Then they launch another prototype. It's not a Falcon 9 dumbass. Starships crashing last year had no effect on Falcons either.
>>14529627It would not work unless it was modified into a dolphin sex rocket.
>>14529737I'm expecting them to delay it and then release it well before the next deadline
>>14529595>Any shot Locksneed Martin actually builds their reusable concept rocket?0% chance
>>14529654>nobody in the tropics is accepting a massive sun-blocking eyesore up above.It would be an almost invisible line in the sky and would not cast any noticeable shadow on the ground, anon. Also the thoughts and feelings of people who live near the equator are irrelevant.
>>14529657Launching from the equator does not provide worthwhile performance gains unless you are going to GEO and would otherwise need to subtract inclination along the way. If you are going to the Moon it doesn't matter and if you are going to Mars it matters even less.
>14529737>737what's boing up to
I normally wouldn’t care too bad about a FAA delay but we’ve been blueballed by Eric Berger this time so if it still delays I’ll be mad
>>14529708>trusting official ussr sourcesohnononnoo
Abolish the FAA and FBI entirely
>>14529520>by just 1000ish timesNo, you can't get it hotter than the blackbody temperature of the sun with passive reflection. Use cheap inner-system power to fuel lasers instead like >>14529728
>>14529737>>14529744>>14529760when is it supposed to come out, anyway? may 31? or is that when they're supposed to start doing it?
>>14529767Typically it gets delayed a day or so before it’s announced, but it hasn’t happened yet. It’s due may 31st so it’s looking like we should get it tommorow
>>14528802Lol no
>>14529768>>14529767Tbh all of the other approvals aside from the final FAA report are done. So odds are good this time.
>>14528200>>14529775
>>14529724There are some easy postings in Food Services: https://www.spacex.com/careers/?department=Food%2520ServicesImagine washing dishes at Boca Chica for a few years, then getting to wash them on Mars. Wow!
>>14529775its not that easy in paperworkery
>>14529778I wash dishes and I don't have a GED, been doing it for several years and I'm pretty sure I could wash their dishes too. Lower the standard Elon, I'm not engineering your dirty dishes just scrubbing them.
>>14529791>I wash dishes and I don't have a GEDAh, then this might be more your speed: https://blueorigin.wd5.myworkdayjobs.com/BlueOrigin?jobFamilyGroup=5f32d2b8465201e1dd6f274338179145
>>14529472VASMIR is old NASA technology that was privatized and it has hung around for decades without much progress so that has irked a lot of people. However, most of the controversy surrounding it is because the creator of it, former astronaut Franklin Chang Diaz, made a claim that it could transit Mars in 39 days which pissed off Zubrin to the point he challenged him to a debate, booked a venue, and gave a Thunderf00t tier presentation on how much it sucks after the guy just ignored him, lol. It's not useless, neither is it a scam, it's just other types of electric propulsion are more efficient and have more thrust per kW. It's worse than technology already operating in space today like the NEXT thruster on DART.
>>14529824VASIMR also requires like a 200MW nuclear reactor and a bunch of superconducting magnets to have decent performance kek. It's like the castrated form of a fusion engine's plasma nozzle only you're trying to use a fission engine and electric heating to get it. Sheared flow Z-pinch humiliates VASIMR on every single metric and is just as close to flying.
>>14529833>>14529824Honestly it seems like chemical + aero capture is king for mars, at least for now
>>14529847Almost like Elon knows what he's doing, huh? Chemical with aerobraking is fucking ridiculously OP for Venus, Earth, and Mars. You need fusion for a real upgrade.
soyuz streamhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6JoBfl412k
>>14529731Sorry, I wasn't clear in that post. I was asking about the geological stability of the island of São Tomé and Príncipe.
>>14529851Yeah. People like to shill nuclear propulsion but nuclear without aero capture sucks ass.
>>14529595One of the big benefits of Starship is that it's a simple stainless steel cylinder, at least simple in comparison to oldspace designs.
>>14529472its taken it 20+ years to get to this point, it was considered vaporware for a long time
>>14529860That's why Z-pinch fusion spaceplane SSTOs are the ultimate way to get around the system.>launch some place inoffensive>refill LH2/water/whatever in low orbit>off you go to anywhere from Venus to Saturn>aerobrake on arrival to reduce propellant budget>land inert/safed>refill>launch>refill in low orbit>return to Earth>aerobrake from TEI vector plus propulsive braking to survivable velocity>engine is inert/safed on reentry minimizing risk of fallout
>>14529595how does it reenter? does it also do the powered flip at the end?
>>14529867>spaceplanekek wrong
>>14529646Its old. /sfg/ even has bunch of images of the Starship/Falcon9 clones we compiled months ago
>>14529851Lithobraking Venus probe/pressure vessel mission with camera onboard filming Venus entry and descent when
>>14529867Based, make good use of those atmospheres
In how many hours will the FAAggots release the fonsi?
>>14529881Lithobraking on Venus is impossible because the atmosphere is so thick. Venera lander EDL parachutes were like the size of F9 gridfins proportionally.
>>14529892I mean lithoslam, with a heavily shielded payload that survives the impact
What is the over-under for the time of the announcement tomorrow? Last person hits "send" on their way out so they don't have to take any calls?
>>14529867>launch some place inoffensive>immediately die due to the sieverts per second dose rate you are being exposed to from your fusion enginethat's IF you get your fusion engine started in atmosphere, when it's designed to only operate in the free vacuum of space (atmosphere crushes the plasma). Sorry to ruin your science fantasy but fusion tech comes with basic realities that prevent it from functioning outside of very large, or at least very long, orbit to orbit spacecraft.
>>14529894Terminally velocity on Venus is more like sinking through water than falling through air. Do nothing and you hit the ground at moderate car crash speeds.
>>14529911even better
It is 5/31 where the fuck is it
>>145299322 more minutes
>>14529794My first directive would be "achieve orbit"
i amgoing to sleep.expecting final pea document when i wake up.
>>14529932Patience, young muskrat.
>>14529932It's end of day 5/31. You're about 20 hours too early.
>>14529932oh no no no musksisters...Dare I say the words?Is it finally time?Is it official?>IT’S OVERIT’S OVER >IT’S OVERIT’S OVER>IT’S OVERIT’S OVER
>>14529943>>14529942>>14529936you think this is a fucking joke? do I look like I'm playing around?
>>14529888~12 hrs
>>14529824>and have more thrust per kWDoesn't it have way more thrust than other electric propulsion?
>>14529860>People like to shill nuclear propulsionBecause nuclear thermal still has more delta V, which is why the military is very interested in it. NASA seems to be more interested in nuclear electric because the technology overlaps with many other uses.
>>14529724
>>14529965>2 parallel nuclear propulsion techs in deep development in the US rncumminggg
>>14529847Laser electric or laser thermal propulsion would enable a VASIMR like ~30 day Mars transfer without the magic reactor bullshit but setting up the required infrastructure would cost quite a bit of money and ideally there would be another laser orbiting Mars so that the spacecraft could slow down because aerobraking at full speed would create g-forces strong enough to kill everyone onboard. IMO this is the best investment out of any type of propulsion since the laser array could be used for missions to any planet and the ships would be cheap to produce. Whereas something like a NEP tug would not only have worse performance but each ship would cost billions and they would be tied up waiting for the next transfer window to open. Decouple the power source and win, there's no need to move all that mass. >>14529954Other types of electric propulsion would have no problem scaling to the same level of thrust, it's just Ad Astra is deliberately trying to market it for human missions so the thruster is like a whopping 200 kW. >>14529965No, NTP is claimed to have more delta-v than chemical with thrust that isn't anemic, which appeals to the military, but it has poor Isp compared to electric propulsion thus making it much worse for interplanetary transit. NASA is only interested in it because it's easier to build a NERVA derivative engine than a high power fission reactor and because it's an ideal cash cow for old space.
Anons pls tell me wen booster static fire.
>>14529980Never. It’s not necessary
>>14529824MPDT>VASIMR>>14529972True, I am starting to like this timeline bros
GO OUTSIDEMETEORS
>>14529988cloudy :(
>>14529980you just missed it
>>14529988A ULYSSES 1994XF04 FRAGMENT JUST FLEW OVER MY HOUSE!
>>14529980As a muskrat, whenever i see this image, i get angry, SPITTING angry. i'm like a tornado of anger, swirling about. my heart rate is DANGEROUSLY HIGH right now
>>14529973>laserGreat on paper, actually having an array of megawatt death rays in space is a deal breaker.>making it much worse for interplanetary transitOr when you have time constraints, the anemic thrust of electric propulsion necessitates a high thrust stage be added to NEP vehicles for manned missions.A bimodal NTP that powers electric propulsion when high thrust is not needed would be ideal, especially if the electric propulsion can use hydrogen as propellant (like VASIMR can).
>>14529993ALL PILOTS DESCEND BELOW 2,000 FEET IMMEDIATELYPREPARE FOR IMPACT>scccccrRRRSCCCCHKKKSCHHHHHH
>>14530001>LH2 is a GOOD thingNo.
>>14529972Four, in addition to the DARPA and NASA projects is this. Radioisotope electric and "fusion".https://www.diu.mil/latest/powering-the-future-of-space-exploration-diu-launching-next-generation
>>14530008>Avalanche Energy has developed a device called an “Orbitron,” which utilizes electrostatic fields to trap fusion ions in conjunction with a magnetron electron confinement scheme to overcome charge density limits. The resulting fusion burn then produces the energetic particles that generate either heat or electricity, which can power a high-efficiency propulsion system. Compared to other fusion concepts, Orbitron devices are promising for space applications as they may be scaled down in size and enable their use as both a propulsion and power source. ELECTROSTATIC FUSION AS A POWER SOURCE HOLY FUCK
I tested the engine again today and once again, it didn't light. I was using both a stun gun and the barbeque lighter I used the first time. Thankfully, I still have some nitrous oxide left so I think I might be able to try again in the morning. I have noticed that the propane side ignites very easily, so I think I may try switching on the propane side first and waiting until I see it light to open the NOX valve. This is the opposite of how its supposed to be done due to hard starts, but at this point I don't really care if the engine gets damaged.
Now imagine something like this bad boy lofted 150 tons at a time for easy assembly, and with throostier electric propulsion.http://www.projectrho.com/public_html/rocket/realdesignsfusion.php#id--IEC_Fusion_Ship_II
>>14530019prho is such a fun timewaste. I can always spend hours reading up on all these ideas
LV0010/TROPICS-1 is on the pad at SLC-46 officially now. Static braap hopefully this week depending on FAA mother-may-I.https://twitter.com/Astra/status/1531354329554137088
>>14530034starship deserved to win tropicsfuck nasa retard boomers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nt6yDd0rVqwThis is the story of how NASA killed 14 of its own, to keep the gravy train going.
>>14530001Using chemical propulsion to provide the initial impulse then staging to electric propulsion would be superior to a bimodal NTP/NEP unless maybe a high thrust maneuver is needed to capture. >Great on paper, actually having an array of megawatt death rays in space is a deal breaker.It's having a megawatt death ray orbiting Earth that would be major concern, luckily a ground based laser would work fine.
IT IS 1 AM TEXAS TIME AND THE FAA STILL HASN'T RELEASED THE FONSI
>>14529060>mother base with rockets instead of guns>tfw it all gets brought down by a surprise FAA inspection
>>14530067I thought Dr. Blackwell (TROPICS PI) was going to cringe his skeleton outside his skin when Chris Kemp asked what would happen if one of the launches failed. Fucking tweaker CEO was clearly on a bunch of uppers that day. Everyone else has been basically scrambling to make sure LV0010 is flawless after that little joke.
>>14530180>when Chris Kemp asked what would happen if one of the launches failed.I mean its a good questionNASA should always be ready incase a launch fails
>>14530326the answer was TROPICS can work minimally with two good launches but prefers three
The state of Starbase
>>14530335>NASA admitting they don't have a backup Classic NASA
>>14530341The satellites were basically handmade because so many of the required parts didn't exist before they started. There is no production line to restart.>classic NASAThere's more wacky stuff about the details of construction but that'd be a major ITAR violation to post. Suffice to say these are in fact as advanced as you'd expect a NASA/MIT collaboration to be and if TROPICS works you're going to see a lot of ridiculous shit in cubesat form factor for other missions.
TestJanny didn't like my FAA joke apparently
>>14530367What could possibly be so special about something ostensibly designed to gather information on hurricanes?
>>14530339shouldn't it be S and B instead of SN and BN
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjIdTGjs6CM
>>14530445Victor is 46, no chance they have him as the pilot on the HLS. Which is shame because that means they're going to pick some black chick.
>>14530452there was just a 61 year old on a long duration mission to the ISS, is HLS and Moon really that different?
>>14529627VentureStar is so fucking gay. Delta Clipper actually flew and worked and was only cucked by VentureStar because of muh politics and retarded Douglas employees
>>14529646They're not building jack shit. It's just a study.
>>14530339>Mr QuintonWho?
>>14530559VentureStar and Delta Clipper are both victims of NASA, despite pretenses, being completely uninterested in giving up the Shuttle. The bureaucracy and pork surrounding it was far to entrenched to allow anything that might pose a threat to have any chance at succeeding. Before Columbia forced their hand they were expecting to keep the Shuttle flying until at least 2020
>>14530583Quinton Champer - Lead Civil Engineer at SpaceX https://www.linkedin.com/in/quinton-champer-009a2928
>>14530432SN and BN sound better.
>>14530623so what we can just rename rockets when we don't like their names now? can i just claim the falcon 9 is really called "HMS Pencil Dick"?
>>14530630Yup.
>>14530613VentureStar was just another pipe dream, but DCX actually flew and worked flawlessly>inb4 x33>inb4 dolphin sexNASA should be sued for shutting down so many promising design, and for handing the SLS development over to Boing
Reminder that Lockheed (allegedly) solved the VentureStar problem and we could have had a real operating SSTO RIGHT NOW.
>>14530680In other words, they wanted the government to pay for it like all other government projects instead of creating a viable commercial program on their own and fund it own their own.
>>14530680reminder that the venturestar is responsible for no ssto flying today>NASA had taken on the project grudgingly after having been "shamed" by its very public success under the direction of the SDIO.[citation needed] Its continued success was cause for considerable political in-fighting within NASA due to it competing with their "home grown" Lockheed Martin X-33/VentureStar project. Pete Conrad priced a new DC-X at $50 million, cheap by NASA standards, but NASA decided not to rebuild the craft in light of budget constraints.[14] Instead, NASA focused development on the Lockheed Martin VentureStar which it felt answered some criticisms of the DC-X, specifically the airplane-like landing of the VentureStar, which many NASA engineers preferred over the vertical landing of the DC-X. Just a few years later, the repeated failure of the Venturestar project, especially the composite LH2 (liquid hydrogen) tank, led to program cancellation.[17]
>>14530712also, cost of a new dcxa was estimated to be about 100 million dollarionos (adjusted for inflation), but this investment wasnt future-oriented enough for NASA and the saved money was needed to fund the jpl for solar panels that fail after one year on mars and boeing for their 10 gozillion dollar glorified jobs program
FAA
So how long until FAA judgement? Tomorrow for european people?
>>145307422x 2 weeks
>>14530742Should be during US office hours?
>>14530742If dubs it gets delayed another month
>>14530742The delays will continue until the orange shitbird flies.
>>145307422 weeks
Дoнбacc" - Donbass
FAA: It's time to deliver.
>>14530742You've heard of elf on the shelf...
>>14530669>NASA should be sued for shutting down so many promising design, and for handing the SLS development over to BoingEven committing to small things like the HL-20 or the X-38 would have left manned spaceflight in a much better position than it ended up going being in last decade. God forbid NASA creates anything that might take away any sort of reliance on the Shuttle. We bitch about NASA today but how they conduced themselves in the era pre-Columbia is nuts
>>14530796What, now we're waiting for a mensch on a bench?
Are they actually going to release the review today?
today's the dayFAA approval day
today's the dayFAA delay day
>>14530847That will be another proof that government hates spacex
>The FAA intends to issue the Final Programmatic Environmental Assessment (PEA) for the SpaceX Starship / Super Heavy project on June 13, 2022. Interagency consultation is ongoing.
>>14530858https://twitter.com/SpcPlcyOnline/status/1531637915922612225/photo/1Told you.Its gonna be delayed indefinitely
>>14530858LOL>>14530749>>14530766
>>14530858
where is it, FAA?
>>14530858felon husk bros..it's over...biden and SLS won..
>>14530863Not really. Earlier they were delaying the review by 30 days, now it's just 2 weeks, so it should be the last one.
>>14530873So 2 more years till actual approval? After biden loses vote right?
>>14530858TWOMOREWEEKS
>>14530858>Unironically 2 more weekslmao
>>14530873it becomes Zeno's Report, after a few 2 weeks, they start making it 1 week, then we get daily and hourly delays
>>14530858Ok im officially going to kill myself
>>14530879all the way down to planck time
>>14530858they did the meme
>>14530858lmao, unreal
>>14530877
>>14530879In definite delays are worse than actual EIS as the slow boiling of the frog will have no option
>>14530858Its gonna be delayed until SLS flies, so just 6,307e+8 seconds more
>>14530858BRING TRUMP BACK NOW
>>14530858What the fuck man
>>14530892Abbot or Desantis pls. Someone more electable.
>>14530896not grabbot pleaset.texan
Maybe of ol'musky built in great state of Alabama he would have avoided some red tape.https://www.faa.gov/newsroom/faa-issues-commercial-space-reentry-site-operator-license-huntsville-international-airport
>>14530858Abolish the FAA forcibly with torches and pitchforks. No agency, no approval required.
>>14530902You will require the approval from NTSB then.
>>14530921It's fine, torches and pitchforks are reusable.
>It's unlikely that SpaceX will be ready to launch before Fall.It's over
give these fuckers some weapons already
>All 19000 comments have been released
>>14530962utf logo is really unnecessary
>This time my expectation is that there will not be another extension.>Erica Berger, 2022
>>14530964https://cms.faa.gov/spacexstarship/starshipsuperheavy/comments-draft-programmatic-environmental-assessment-pea-spacex>https://cms.faa.gov/spacexstarship/starshipsuperheavy/comments-draft-programmatic-environmental-assessment-pea-spacexhttps://cms.faa.gov/spacexstarship/starshipsuperheavy/comments-draft-programmatic-environmental-assessment-pea-spacex>https://cms.faa.gov/spacexstarship/starshipsuperheavy/comments-draft-programmatic-environmental-assessment-pea-spacex
>>14530968It's his own fucking fault for having expectations or even a shred of optimism when it comes to bureaucracy and politicians.Naive fucker.
>>14530974DamnDisseminating all of these will take /sfg/ two weeks at least
>>14530974Volumes 21-25 are all just copies of the same anti-SpaceX copypastaWho was that organized by?
lmao
>>14530934Where did it say this?
>>14530993kek. sierraniggers
>>14530995preach brotha fr fr
>>14530995Lol
>>14530995based
>>14530997Random account on twitter.
>>14530974>https://cms.faa.gov/sites/faa.gov/files/2022-05/23_Volume_19428%20-%2019613_508.pdfSeems there's hundreds of copy-pasted "think of muh beetles" comments. Lame
>>14530995That has to have come from here.
>>14531016Its this guy
>>14530995that's cringe
>>14530974It's a complete clusterfuck. There's thousands of pages of what is practically spam and copypastas. There's multiple ~100 page thesis' written by random organizations and associations. Thousands of tables, pictures, graphs, whatever.Asking for public comments was a mistake. I pity the bureaucrats who had to spend months reading through this trash
>>14531030>I pity the bureaucrats who had to spend months reading through this trashI pity the retards who don't use algorithms to remove dupes and outright purge them when they hit a certain threshold.
>>14531030You just know the FAA is the type of organisation to actually print out tens of thousands of physical pages, to store it in some vault.
>>14531039It's my understanding that all US government agencies do that. Burgers cannot into computers.
>>14530995This is the guy from the public hearing who said we should kill all martians lmfao
The good news is that it seems like SpaceX will get a FONSI soon.
>>14531029>that's cringe
>>145308922 MORE WEEKS
>>14531054>will get a FONSI soon>a FONSItheir pièce de résistance will be full EIS
Tim Dodd being based for once
>>14531066>Tim Dood wasting inspiring rhetoric on some overpaid shaneequa in DC
>>14531070if shaneequa doesn't care about this, she sure as fuck doesn't care about the beetles either
>>14531066>Yet despite this, gas and oil plants litter the landscape and no one seems to bat an eye.This should tell you everything. Not even the ultra sanctimonious r*dditors complain about them. But a sheet of metal falling onto a single beetle is the end of the world. Fucking Earthers.
I finally got it to ignite! The plume looked somewhat energetic, for half a second or so, which is very relieving to see. It was only a partial success, though. The chamber pressure was still definitely too low and it was super unstable. I should mention that the reason why it is split in half like that is because of my ignitor. I've noticed that when real engines throttle down, the plume gets less expanded, so I'm definitely not hitting anything close to my target chamber pressure since it was to under expanded. It's definitely time to switch to pressure fed gasoline, or alcohol and abandon the dumb turbo idea.As for the instability, It appears that I need to fix my crude injector design. When I make the Krystal 1-C in a few months (I won't be able to work on it for a while due to an internship), I'll try to be more thorough with my design and have better workmanship.I'll link a WebM in a sec.
>>>4551515
>>14531100based?
>>4551515
>>14531100>>>/wsg/4551515
>>14531113Thank you, fren.
>>14531116Keep up the gud work
>>14531100are you trying to get someone killed?
>>14531100based
>>14531100Great progress. Please don't kill yourself.
>>14531100Fucking outstanding anon.What is that, NOx and kerosene?
schizo alert>>>>14530969
>>14531129Thank you for notifying us about yourself.
>>14531100BASEDASED
>>14528200holy shit anon was mostly right
>>14531100how much did this shit cost
Does anyone have the fake estronaut elon interview with the krystal porn? Thanks. It was on vimeo.
Was thinking about nearish future space combat, with semi torch drive style propulsion IE: nswr, fission fragment, DFD ect.Do you think it would make sense to have a Low G, constant acceleration, high deltaV carrier ship, that carries high TWR, low (relatively) deltaV missile boats into the combat zone?The higher TWR ships would be better able to defeat enemy missiles kinematically and would act as a screening force and a range extender for the larger, low TWR ship.It seems to me like space combat would be a case of the tortoise and the hare, in some ways similar to the dynamics of air missile combat.Ships that could accelerate rapidly could catch slower accelerating ships within a certain range, however those slower accelerating ships would have much more deltaV to escape and determine the fight over longer distances.I think a lot would depend on detection ranges.
>>14531128NOX and Propane >>14531133A bit under a thousand bucks so far, I think.
>>14531100Hire this man, Elon, I know you lurk here.
>>14530974>mfw Volume 25>Yo lemme copy your hw>yeah just change it up a bit so it doesn't look obvious you copied'>ok
Most of it is the same negative copy pasta but these are some good bits feel free to add more
>>14531128Propane and propane accessories
>>14531141Do you ever plan to put it in a rocket?
>>14530858>It's not political, we gotta protect the environment and listen to the local beach goersSurrendering the earth to the mutts has been the true disaster for the Human race...
>>14531123chonker
>>14531155Realistically, probably not. It's really small right now and I couldn't really scale it up without some super expensive bottles and valves.
>>14531155it would need gyroscopes and a control system, and...
>>14531184Just get a raspberry pi and a cell phone accelerometer and then use it to launch a warhead into Canada.
>>14531155He would have to lower the propane temps until it is in a dense enough liquid form to get the pressures and weight balance required to launch a rocket otherwise the tanks would be too heavy even for the smallest designs.
>>14531193but that's against their laws so I guess it's impossible to do
>>14530858>FAA flight permit>August 16, 2022
>>14531230how can you fucking read that shitunzoom your window before making screen shots, geez
>>14530377*ahem*>>14530858
>>14530858Can they launch on that very day?
>>14531283No, tiles are still falling down
>>14530583>Who?Mr Quinton
>>14531294>implying they careThe engines on the booster need to work. That's the focus.
Whats the atmosphere at Boeing like right now? They are losing the airline business. They are getting mogged by SpaceX in the capsule market. And once SS starts flying their biggest grift (SLS) will be exposed.
>>14531381It's fine
>>14531381they are pooping and peeing all over the floor, crying and crapping and throwing up. it's a mess
>>14531381>They are losing the airline business.They are not. They fucked up with the B737, the A320 is eating their lunch. But the 777 and 787 are still both better than what Airbus is offering.
>>14531381The atmosphere is undergoing removal.
>>14531319>AI is here>It's already sabotaging efforts to get offworld
>>14531319
Emma Guevera again.. however this time she mentions the all important, sacred, rightful owners of the land SpaceX is occupying - the Carizo Comecrudo tribe of TexasYet curiously neither she nor anyone else brought up the name of this obscure tribe during the FAA public hearing calls - seriously go through the, right now and you will not hear this tribes name uttered a single time - if this tribe is so important and has deep ties to the are then why were they totally unmentioned during the FAA's public hearings?Its so blatant what they are doing here. The tribe doesnt come up except in copy pasted Sierra Club comments.
>>14531413that tribe is long extinct not that these people have the right to speak for natives anyway
>>14531413You're a retard. Emma Guevara mentioned Carizo Comecrudo during the call. Also in the document that was posted yesterday that the janny purged the FAA mentions Carizo Comecrudo.
>>14531413At least there's some good in that massive pile of crap.
>>14531413God I wish I could fuck the shit outta this naughty bitch
>>14531381boing is moving their headquarters to washington dc so they can focus on bribing politicians for contracts instead of improving their business like a normal company would. it's literally over for them.>Boeing Co. said Thursday it will move its headquarters from Chicago to the Washington, D.C., area, where company executives would be closer to key federal government officials.https://www.npr.org/2022/05/05/1096961418/boeing-moving-headquarters-washington-dc-area
Holy shithttps://youtu.be/dqKeIjBWqL8
>>14531436So, the government has finally come to nationalize Starbase with the point of a bayonet.
>>14531151smaller scale
>>14531140>Was thinking about nearish future space combatFirst step, learn orbital mechanics.
>>14531418Really? I literally dont remember that lmao, maybe cause she was the only one who brought it up even. Wouldnt be surprised if she's with Sierra Club because all the latter Sierra Club copy pasta includes the tribes nameAnyways here she says "multiplanetary species" is a problematic termI cannot even begin to concieve of how the leftist/SJW mind of hers has managed to come to that conclusion lmao, these "space is racist" types are all nutty.
>>14531423She's a bag over head kind of fuck.
>>14531458A plastic one maybe, tightly wrapped.
>>14531436NSFerinos https://youtu.be/mhJRzQsLZGg
>>14531458>>14531413Her voice >>>/wsg/4551779
>>14531480Yeah I know I dont need to listen to that shrieking again lmao.
>>14531458cant you post a more up to date photo?
>>14531499You do it then
>>14531421There's a redaction failure.
>>14531509No the name does not get redacted if they put it in the text. Same here >>14531413 >>14531066
>>14531480>HOW DARE YOU?Why do they insist on doing this? It's really combative and not really sympathetic at all
Damn I love ships, and spaceships
rockets=racist
>>14531454>>14531421>>14531413Where are these coming from?
>>14531534>>14530974
>>14531454>South Texas Environmental Justice Network Well that explains it, working with Sierra Club to obstruct SpaceX and America, lovely.
>>14531480>Making more money with his apartheid emeraldsShe took the bait
You can see it from Starbase
>>14531526>>14531502I envy the people of 200 years into the future who will get to watch kilometer-long martian carriers pull into Port Phobos every once in a while
>>14529999>>14530000
>>14531476>>14531502>>14531526>>14531565Schizobros... Biden admin has finally had enough
Maybe this is cope but some good news:> FAA Delay is only two weeks, not a month>Wording on the delay implies SpaceX will get a FONSIMost importantly>If SpaceX was to get an EIS/Lose Starbase, there wouldn’t be any extra delays, only a ban hammer
MOLTENWATERREACTOR
>>14531581>SpaceX gets EIS>decides to pivot completely to Florida>abandons Starbase entirely, takes down all towers, buildings, infrastructure>region enters even deeper economic decline>tourism revenue dries up again>but muh tribal lands, muh birds, muh beach are all there, colonizers btfo!Some people actually want this, they actually want reduction and stagnation. It's crazy
>>14531319>it's only page 1I lost it lmao
>>14531572
>>14531319>faa public comments on SpaceX Starship launch facility expansion draft PEA proposal?>time to talk all about my plans for living on Mars
>>14531452>Ah someone read my post>Oh wait they actually didn't read my postGravity wells would have interesting tactical and strategic implications, but ultimately we are talking about ships with hundreds of Kms deltaV here.They will transit the solar system well above escape velocity.
>>14531607they say they want it but are too low iq to really see the implications of it or if spacex continues what they are doing but in a larger way, perhaps turning the area into a small economic hub with other companies as well
>>14531506goddess guarvera
>>14531607SpaceX is too valuable to kick out. I have 100% faith Starbase will be fine
>>14531621is that really her?
>>14531621>Close face shotfatty
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1531307969308237824>Yeah, the public has no idea how much Tesla and SpaceX have been attacked/undermined, because we aren’t unionized (yet offer highest pay in industry!) and this administration would rather a company be dead than not unionizedhmm
>>14531319Could it be Mr. KolkolshalAviation?
>>14531621SLAYLAY
>>14531565>You are NOT cleared for launch
>>14531626I'd still her.
Bros SpaceX is facing such an uphill battle against what are essentially people who do environmental NIMBYism for a living, I fear they will not succeed without tremendous legal bullshit/delays 10x worse than what BO pulled after HLSYou read the first 1-3 pages of comments and its full of talk of people being inspired, about how Starship is necessary for multiple sectors of America, renewed faith and optimism in American space dominance, support from all over the world, lots of soulful posts, then from basically pages 18-25 you see the coordinated environmental machinations of various groups all out to stop SpaceX, the endless documents/letters calling for an EIS, the soulless sierra club copypasta repeating for 5 pages straight, it feels like even if we get a FONSI these people will do whatever they can to obstruct SpaceX. Their efforts are much more likely to delay the return of America to the moon than even BO's legal wrangling.
I grew up in a shitty town with low income and poor conditions. One day Boeing (it was a different time haha) set up shop and us kids had a chance to tour the facility and it changed my life. That experience changed my life and inspired me to go to college and study STEM instead of spending the next 70 years working a shit job in a beaten down house like all my other friends and family. All I’m saying is I don’t understand why SaveRGV has a hateboner with SpaceX.
>>14531663What can they really do? As long as the lawsuits dont block the launches, it doesnt matter
I’m trying to make my RSS career realistic as possible. How likely is a manned mission to Mars after Apollo? What comes after that?
>>14531502Kek why the fuck is there a fucking aircraft carrier in Starbase. Is this where we re gonna land
>>14531670They are bucket-crab mudfoot EARTHERS who hate the idea of anyone escaping this prison planet. They must be rendered down into fertilizer for the agrihabs.
>>14531678US Navy has come to make their support and interest in Starship and SpaceX known
>>14531675Endless lawsuits
>>14529520How are you going to hit something with a laser over such a distance? Or do you want a station larger than New York?
So a warship can have a full blown nuclear reactor but a spaceship cant?
>>14531663There's these fags and then there's the weight of the entire Pentagon that sees Starship for what it really is. What they say is usually what goes.
>>14531676There was talk of that for sure. The other option being making a space station or doing both.
>>14531688Yes, cope.
>>14531676https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Transportation_SystemNow have Nixon Kerman cancel everything but the space shuttle and space station, there's your realism.
>>14531676>>14531693I’m thinking of making it “realistic” and doing a single Mars mission then focusing on a space shuttle
>>14531688Naval reactors weigh like upwards of 500 tons.
>>14531413>we are a majority-minorityLMAO>our elected officials are muh badThen why did you elect the? Top fucking kek
How badly are ESG Hound and his followers going to seethe when SpaceX gets a FONSI for Starbase?
>>14531688Seawater is a neutron moderator.
>>14531670Love Gattaca.I'm glad you made it.https://youtu.be/73pu7mRxk5Y
>>14531710She even thinks Starbase is referring to Brownsville and not just SpaceX's Production & Launch facility.Also even more ridiculous she claims its all because Elon wants to escape Earth and go to Mars, a lot of the anti-SpaceX comments talk about Mars, they appear to be totally unaware of Starships other, much more prudent and near-term uses, etc.Huge mix of leftist academic theory and intellectual fluency but terrible technical and abstract conceptual understanding of Starship as a system and humanity's need to venture out and set footholds in the solar system and the required steps necessary to do that. They think Elon musk is personally doing this to put himself on Mars with the first Starship built and launched - to escape Earth.
>>14531730Starbase is referring to Boca Chica*insert felon tweet*
>>14531713Just look at his twitter profile, the guy has lost it lmao.Have fun reading this https://esghound.substack.com/p/elons-last-stand?sd=fs&s=w
>>14531701Yes im coping and seething
>>14531730>They think Elon musk is personally doing this to put himself on Mars with the first Starship built and launched - to escape Earth.He is personally responsible for everything that is wrong with SpaceX and the world, yet at the same time it's his engineers doing all the work and he just steals the credit.
>>14531413>we have a unified message because we're not just random people.... we are a community that is desperately fighting tooth and nail for our home>cue 10 pages of Sierra Club "muh birds" copypasta sent by people from across the USlmao, pathetic excuse for your coordinated Sierra Club campaign.
>>14531748random people*
>>14531748>10 pages of Sierra Club "muh birds" copypastasoulless >>14530995SOVL
>>14531683irrelevant, its basically just an added cost due to having to employ lawyers
>>14531769Lawsuits in progress could forcibly stop all work at Boca Chica if the judge is so inclined.
I feel like them ending all of this on this guys succinct and straightforward email was a message in its own. The NASA name carries weight and intent.
Any comments from Starfox enthusiasts?
Terran 1 (relativity’s reusable 3D printed rocket) being shipped to Cape Canaveral https://twitter.com/thetimellis/status/1531661704118927360?s=21&t=mxQa0k4UbCD5FSfpN2DjGQ
>>14531790>Terran 1 (relativity’s reusable 3D printed rocket)>reusableshitty bait
who is bankrolling all the lawsuits?
>>14531810Whoever bankrolls Sierra Club
>>14531810Wall street and big oil.
>>14531810You know who.
>>14531810Xinnie the Pooh
/State Hwy 4. The proposed parking lot could potentially impact 14 acres of seagrasses that liewithin 1 km to the north. Parking lot construction could result in increased sediment loading toBoca Chica Bay, potentially resulting in increased light attenuation on the seagrass beds.Seagrasses are highly sensitive to reductions in light availability. Dunton et al (2003)recommended no dredging within 1 km of seagrass beds in Laguna MadreTHINK OF THE GRASSES
is the report out yet or did it get delayed again?
>>14531841>>14530858
>>14531833Grass is actually really important so the beach doesn't get eroded. Could cause structural issues if destroyed.
>>14531688Russia doesn't give a fuck. Developing one right now with 500 MW reactor.
>>14531855Nothing a bit of pile drilling and concrete pouring can't fix.
>>14531833What's next? Think of the poor amoebas and tardigrades that are killed whenever people walk down in that area? This is getting ridiculous.
>>14531621ywn hear her say>neocolonize my ancestral areas papi
>>14531773cool
Every FAA member deserves to be doxed for this. No more hiding behind “just doing my job” or “not all of us are bad.” Every FAA member must be punished immediately, starting with their faces being published online.
>>14531877They are just following orders.
>>14531877WE WILL MAKE THEM PAY
>>14531773>>14531873No ones words carry more weight around to the FAA than NASA's
>>14531879Likewise.
>>14531790good job guys
>>14531879You would allow the government’s goons to nail your family to the floor, cut off your eyelids, and rape your children in front of you because they were “just following orders.”
>>14531879you mean like the Nazis? retard
>>14531900>>14531903You have to go back.
>>14531860this, fuck beetles and fuck grass, also fuck the random ass tribe that probably doesn't even exist anymore
>>14531912Boomer, you are responsible for dooming this country to an eternity of rocket delays. It is your fault that we have these faggot federal agencies. You facilitated this. I pray your death is an extremely painful one at the hands of your own government.
>>14531939>doubling down on the reddit faggotryrefer to this >>14531912
>>14531860
>>14531476>>14531502>>14531526>>14531565>Here's the surplus aircraft carrier you ordered, Mr Musk
>14531944>hurr durr u hate government so u are redditYou are a historically illiterate animal with no will to power. I should be glad that you will gladly kneel over a mass grave when your time comes. Keep sucking the axe wound grease, alpha slave.
>>14531958Yikes!
>>14529037I hope they have GetRight installed then.
>>14529037>download 1mbSo what. Uplink from Titan for all the nice pictures is going to be most important.
>>14531810Lockhead, Boing, and Aerojew
>>14531833Better cut down some forests to make up for the grass
>>14529037Why can’t they set up a high bandwidth relay system beforehand?
>>14531983BECAUSE NOTHING CAN CHANGEDSN IS THE GOLD STANDARD
>>14531978>cut down some forestsReminder, this happened beforehttps://www.businessinsider.com/tesla-ordered-to-suspend-tree-clearance-at-german-factory-tagesspiegel-2020-12>Tesla ordered to stop cutting down trees at its Berlin factory construction site because of hibernating snakes>A German court has told the U.S. billionaire's electric vehicle company Tesla to suspend clearing of a forest at the site of the proposed factory after environmentalists said that cutting down more trees could endanger hibernating snakes>Also, locals were concerned that the Gigafactory, especially once it started building battery cells, would be a drain on local water resources and wanted assurances from Tesla that consumption would be limited.
>>14531919Shut up, you have no place to speak on this
>>14531992Fuck environmentalists.
>>14531972>>14531975>>14531983>>14531984why?
So hypothetically, just spitballing, what would be the most efficient method to clear all plant and animal life out of a coastal wetland?
>>14532013Pour concrete over it after sticking rebar into the ground first.
>>14532013"accidentally" let a dust cropper drop several loads of barely legal pesticides all over the place.
>>14532024They already did this though.
>>14532024>dust croppercrust dopper?
>>14532038some kind of proof of that?
>>14532024Okay, but imagine if they did this to the FAA HQ as well.
>>14532058Yes.
>>14532013https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gV6hP9wpMW8&t=154s
>>14532043cringe newfag https://youtube.com/watch?v=N-cuEcIl3ms
Hey anon found you're comment
>>14532082cringe
>>14531140Space warfare will just be a bunch of weapon systems parked in orbit that will attack the weapons of the opposing force. Manned spacecraft would be inherently less capable because of the higher dry mass and good luck trying to outrun a laser weapon with your trillion dollar meme drive.
>>14532082imagine FAA clerks pouring over this document
>>14531857>Russia doesn't give a fuck. Developing one right now with 500 MW reactor.You mean TEM? It's not nearly that powerful and the development effort could have stopped.
>>14531565Is that the Shitty Hawk?
>Business Insider
>>14532111Dave Mosher
>>14532108Yes
so uh, what the fuck is New Onizuka?
>>14532145They couldn't compare with the greatness of Eikichi Onizuka and decided to call it New Onizuka because their ability to teach is nonexistent.
>>14532111Fucking journos, what the fuck man unreal
>>14532158Press inquiring about a fire is unreal to you?
>>14531100obligatory https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3o-N6RT4eQ
>>14532111That fire for sure killed so many beetles kek
>>14532111>>14532158I still don't understand why the media doesn't report on this>In 2017 Starliner had an accident during a ground test that forced the president of a different subcontractor to have his leg medically amputated. The subcontractor sued, and Boeing subsequently settled the case.
>>14532058Holy shit it's M Bison.
Man thinks he's contacting SpaceX lmao
oh no no no
how legit is this?
can you please read through the tens of thousands of comments and spoonfeed me the funniest ones as screenshots (TikTok video with added memes will also do) I'm going to bed and I expect to get a good laugh when I wake up, so get to work
>>14532293see >>14531773it's also the final displayed public comment
>>14532305
>>14532305>Go fire yourself
>>14532305Beautiful
>>14532293>NASA is willing to work with SpaceX and federal authorities on the management of the site>NASA having a say in the management of StarbaseIt's over for Boca Chica, it was good while it lasted.
>>14531678It's the USS Kitty Hawk, an old diesel aircraft carrier being towed to Texas to be dismantled. She left her port for the last time in January.https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/Aircraft-carrier-USS-Kitty-Hawk-departs-Bremerton-for-Texas-dismantling/ar-AASOuSp
>>14532013Hydrogen bombs.
when you see it
>>14532364RIP
Meanwhilehttps://twitter.com/NASA_SLS/status/1531665740893413378>SLS and @NASA_Orion are targeted to return to launch pad 39B at @NASAKennedy June 6 for the next wet dress rehearsal attempt ahead of the #Artemis I mission. First motion is slated for 12:01 a.m. the morning of the 6th.
>>14532371Reaources are infinitely recyclable. No idea why people think anything can be “exhausted” except stuff like fossil fuels.
>>14532373>be at the pad by June 7>don't do anything else afterwards till June 19ththe fuck is wrong with NASA EGS
>>14532364>spacex will buy kittyhawk and make it a Starship lander ship
>>14532381It's probably FAA fuckery. Even a little Rocket 3 has to sit on the pad for a week at KSC before the space DMV gets off their wide asses to sign the paperwork.
>>14532390The fuck has FAA to do with a fuel test that shit isn't leaving the ground
>>14532393But it COULD, you know. The SRBs can't exactly be safed.
>>14532393>assumes things have to leave the ground so that the faa can step inAnon, I...Did you forget this?https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/14/faa-warns-spacex-it-has-not-approved-new-texas-launch-site-tower.html>FAA warns SpaceX that massive Starship launch tower in Texas is unapproved>The Federal Aviation Administration has warned Elon Musk’s SpaceX that work on a massive launch tower will be included in the agency’s ongoing environmental review of the Starship facility in Boca Chica, Texas.>“The company is building the tower at its own risk,” an FAA spokesperson told CNBC on Wednesday, noting that the environmental review could recommend taking down the launch tower
>>14532404Gay and lame
>>14532371>NOOOOOOOO!!!! WE CAN'T HAVE FUN IN SPACE!!!! JUST THINK OF ALL THE ENDANGERED SPECIES THAT LIVE THERE!!!! WE HAVE TO KEEP SPACE EMPTY FOR FUTURE GENERATIONS TO ENJOY ITS EMPTINESS!!!!
>>14532404>stop working so hard>stop working so fast>if you dont, ill have to stop youAbsolute trash
>>14532419Regulations and shit have really fucked us over and slowed us down https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=dont+build+fast+anymore+USA
>>14531565>>14532108a ship most notable for having a race riot lmao
>>14531810Bill Gates and the Illuminati
>>14532404Abolish the FAA and federal government
>>14531810FAA is a federal body, so Biden admin's politics are all over the place
>>14532428Execute everyone who ever worked for one of the regulatory agencies and this country's problems would be trivial to solve.
>>14532373>SLS flight to Moon to slip to 2027Every day, this becomes more and more real
>Pay us every time when you close the beaches
>>14531413>Emma "Che" GueveraI hope she ends up handless and in a hole, too
lmao I found CSS
>>14532513>FabianEVERY TIME
>>14532503I'm at a loss for words regarding the mental gymnastics in this situation of wanting both the area to be pristine, untouched, and unspoiled... yet at the same time for the beach to be open for everyone to use, what in the actual fuck
>>14532516This is why healthy societies horsewhip NIMBYs or just ignore them.
>>14532516>The sacred, important ancestral lands of the Carrazudo tribe>except not a single damn thing relating to them even exists or existed before SpaceX came to the area
I don't think this is gonna turn a profit.
>>14532513>Fabian LunguThat's bait
So far seen 2 letters from construction companies in Cameron County in full support of SpaceX and the launch site lol
>>14532559>>14532559new thread
>>14529744I think I had the right idea at least
>>14531810Bill Gates is enraged that his billions can't buy perfect natural breasts
>>14532503>Boca Chica beach is a treasured, undeveloped, natural and recreational area that the residents of the Rio Grande Valley and Northern Mexico have enjoyed for centuriesThey tore the dunes to shit with their ATVs every spring break and enjoyed leaving their trash all over the treasured beach. Fuck right off.
>>14532145>noodlespretty fucking racistalso, where's the rice?