/sci/ - Science & Math

>>14513534
NPC containment thread?

>>14513534
something wrong with that statement, timmy?

>>14513541
It's meaningless.

>it's an emergent property and there is literally nothing wrong with that property!!

>>14513544
it is not meaningless at all. (You) are an emergent property of bosons and fermions. Your consciousness is an emergent property of being human.

>i can't even begin to explain how X follows from Y but my religious faith says it just heckin' does
>i-i-i-it just emerges, ok??

>>14513548
what's the difference between a consequence of things and an emergent property of those things?
>>14513545
>>14513549
don't shit up my thread retard

>>14513554
there is no such thing as consequence in QM

>d-d-don't shit up my thread, retard!!
>i'm gonna argue with NPCs in circles forever and prove their religion wrong
>today is the day
>today i will regurgitate the same points over and over and WIN

>>14513558
are you retarded? QM has deterministic time evolution
the final state is absolutely a consequence of the initial state

>>14513572
there is nothing deterministic about the wave function

0/10 troll thread confirmed.

>>14513578
did you learn about quantum mechanics on fucking youtube?

>>14513558
not an answer

>>14513534
NOBODY REPLY TO THIS DUMBASS OP HE IS A TROLL LOOKING TO BAIT YOU INTO TALKING ABOUT HIS SCHIZO THEORIES

>NOBODY REPLY TO THIS DUMBASS OP HE IS A TROLL LOOKING TO BAIT YOU INTO TALKING ABOUT HIS SCHIZO THEORIES

>>14513572
Wave function collapse is indeterministic though

>>14513534
For me it means something complex that arises out of simple rules.

All of you are fired.

>>14513599
Give an example.

>>14513597
That's an interpretation and not part of quantum mechanics. It's a philosophical theory of how quantum mechanics can be related to the macroscopic world. There are other interpretations which are deterministic. Regardless, the results of wavefunction collapse, while probabilistic, very much depend on the quantum state, so there is still cause and effect.

>>14513604
An economy is a positive sum game which emerges from the simple rule that for an economic exchange to take place, both parties must view it as desirable in their own self interest.

>>14513611
>not part of quantum mechanics.
Is part of what we call measurement in qm of course it is part of qm, or do you just disagree with the creators of qm themselves from the core
>so there is still cause and effect.
I agree there's cause and effect but there's an inherent indeterminism in nature

>>14513593
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>>14513545
Take your meds immediately.

>>14513682
>t. magic fairytale believer

>>14513678
fuck off and google it retard

>Consciousness is an emergent property, and is substrate dependent.

>>14513611
What causes the wave function to collapse? Don't just say observation. Describe the exact mechanism.

>>14513721
That's a big problem with the Copenhagen interpretation in my opinion. It's unclear what wavefunction collapse actually means.

>>14513554
>what's the difference between a consequence of things and an emergent property of those things?
An emergent property is not shared by those things. A consequence can just be a repetition of the constituents.

>>14513721
Observation.

emergence deez nuts in your face

>>14513678
Define, indeterminism, what would have to occur to satisfy the definition of that word?

>>14513734
>>14513721
Wave function collapse is when a wave is detected; for example when rocks ones shore are struck by an ocean wave they collapse the oceans wave function at the location.

When a guitar players music waves enter my ear, the air waves function is collapsed at my ear drum and transformed in my ear brain mind system into not an air wave function but something else

>>14513742
Would you say an example of emergent property is: the things a car can do when it's parts are assembled in a specific order? The things a computer can do when it's parts are assembled in the right order?

>>14513815
>the things a car can do when it's parts are assembled in a specific order?
Sure, if the parts lack that specific function. For example, a wheel can still roll without the rest of the car.

>>14513534
What is?

>I am an emergent property of consciousness

>>14513705
This but unironically

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