/sci/ - Science & Math

>>1380064
nonononono please stop propagating that myth. It doesn't accurately resemble a brain goddammit.

/sci/ - Renaissance Murals

>>1380074
Motherfucker. That's a 10/10 I'd say. I'm raging so hard right now.

>>1380070
Are you sure, I mean it sure as fuck looks like it resembles a brain when you use side-by-side comparisons. And I'm pretty sure that last time I checked if something looks like something else that's another way of saying 'resembles'.

http://www.vatican.va/various/cappelle/sistina_vr/index.html

>>1380070

It actually is a fairly similar shape to a brain, and when you consider who the artist was, it doesn't seem like something like that would happen unintentionally.

>>1380070
I disagree. I think that Michelangelo did that on purpose, at least to partially say that "god" is just a creation of our brains.

At least, it works as a possible explanation, given the other painting he made basically flicking off the Pope of the time.

>>1380105
This one is too much of a stretch

>>1380110
>It actually is a fairly similar shape to a brain
No it's fucking not. Only if you flat out ignore all details and stretch and skew the brain to fit into place. It might as well resemble a jelly fish.

>>1380120
I don't agree with your view. At the time, ideas and creativity were not seen to be a product of the brain.

>>1380105

Although the brain in the first mural is definitely there, that one is a bit of a stretch.

>>1380124
Please elaborate further. What did they think the brain was for back then?

>>1380120
Do what on purpose? It doesn't resemble a brain at all. See: >>1380123

>>1380134
I'm sure they thought it was important, but it was seen as separate from the mind and soul.

BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

michaelangelo was a closet atheist

>>1380074
What painting is this and who painted it?

>>1380123

Okay, so it doesn't fit the shape 100% exactly, but it's pretty close, and when you consider his only reference was a drawing in a textbook, it leaves a little bit of wiggle room with the shape.

>>1380149
Obama is a reptilian

>>1380134
did they know they had brains? anyone regard the contents of the skull as anything other than blood and guts?

>>1380157
I'm Obama and I'm offended by this statement.

>>1380157

>>1380139
>>1380123
Except that it resembles a brain pretty damn well.

>>1380145
You are ignoring the details. The only thing resembling a brain is the semi-half-circle shape. Where is the cerebellum, temporal lobe, inferior frontal gyri, brain stem and medulla oblongata? It doesn't fucking fit. There's an arm coming out of it.

Michaelangelo was kind of a troll. Not sure about this though

>>1380172
Right, because people had no knowledge of the human body during the Renaissance whatsoever.

>>1380141
Interesting. I must look into this further then, because it seems pretty likely that Michelangelo made the brain reference on purpose...but for what purpose remains to be seen.

>>1380167
It was commonly thought that people used their hearts for thinking.

>>1380172
To the untrained an perhaps slightly retarded observer perhaps. see: >>1380174

>>1380120
whats the other painting?

it doesnt mean that our brains create god. is just a connection that our brains are the gift of god.

>>1380167
Well, they knew about eyes and ears, but not that thinking was a function of the brain.

I think "Michelangelo knew god was only in your head" isn't a correct view of the painting, because michelangelo didn't have our knowledge or language.

There's a different view here
http://pagingdrgupta.blogs.cnn.com/2010/06/28/michelangelo-hid-brainstem-in-sistine-chapel-study-say
s/?hpt=Mid

Neurosurgeons Dr. Rafael Tamargo and Ian Suk of Johns Hopkins University looked closely at Michelangelo's painting "Separation of Light From Darkness," which depicts the beginning of the universe. They found that the neck of God in this painting appears to contain the human brainstem.

"He recognized that the brain was an important structure, and I think he included it in the creation of the universe because he recognized that this is one of the most magnificent things that God had created," Tamargo said.

>>1380174
>>1380147
*Ahem*

Besides, it would look far uglier if it looked EXACTLY like a human brain. It IS an art piece, after all. And a fucking arm sticking out of it? You're either OCD or just being pedantic.

>>1380147
Artwork: Transfiguration of Christ
Artist: DAVID, Gerard
Date: 1520
Technique: Oil on panel
Location: O. L. Vrouwekerk, Bruges

If you take a city map and a map of constellations you can pretty much fit any constellation to a number of important buildings on the city map. Similarity does not imply intention.

>>1380188

Look at that shit. >>1380147

And again, consider that his only reference picture was a probably just a drawing in a textbook, and tell me that shape doesn't fit really well.

>>1380186
>>1380186
that was debunked by the greeks long time before michaelangelo

>>1380204

Okay, but consider that he was an artist that is known for sneaking subtle things in to his paintings.

>>1380198
>Michelangelo probably didn't know the functions of the various components of the brain, but he understood it was an important structure, Tamargo said.

>"Separation of Light From Darkness," located above the altar of the Sistine Chapel, is too high for people of Michelangelo's time to have been able to see details such as the brainstem, and telescopes did not yet exist. But the artist probably knew that someday, someone would notice, Tamargo said.

>"I think he put a message there for the future, to let people know that he knew anatomy, and probably to enhance the meaning of that fresco," Tamargo said.

>>1380213
Oh. Then I am mistaken! Sorry!

Anyway, why do we care about this? Are we not a science board?
Maybe this belongs on the art board.

>>1380223
Tamargo sounds like a fucking idiot.

>>1380196
That picture [>>1380147] illustrates my point nicely. This is not anatomically correct at all. The person who made it just googled a picture of a brain and fit stuff to whatever he thought would be appropriate. Jesus christ the pituitary gland hanging out of your brain like a pair of balls with the optic chiasm ANTERIOR to it? There is more that's off (big-time) but I'm too lazy to explain. If you want to believe this shit fits than go right ahead. I'm off.

>>1380214
>>1380214
do you have more examples of "sneaking" that are more obvious?

>>1380205
this: >>1380236

>>1380213
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brain#History

What it says here is that Galen discovered that the brain activated muscles, but not that thinking was done there.

>>1380192
It was just an idea.

Oh, and the other painting is...

http://www.edennewspaper.com/?option=com_content&view=article&id=2481%3A290&Itemid=209

Second paragraph.

Look at the hand of the little guy. The thumb between the forefinger and middle finger.

>>1380214
There is no reason to believe he did so here.

>>1380223
>>1380223
sounds like postmodern interpretation to me.

>>1380248
Except that it looks like a human brain.

>>1380273
Except it doesn't.
>This is not anatomically correct at all. The person who made it just googled a picture of a brain and fit stuff to whatever he thought would be appropriate. Jesus christ the pituitary gland hanging out of your brain like a pair of balls with the optic chiasm ANTERIOR to it? There is more that's off (big-time)

>>1380074
>>1380069
>>1380062
>>1380105
So...is all this supposed to prove something?

>>1380245
>>1380245
what is that supposed to mean? the little guy in your image?

there are two please be more specific

>>1380284
You must be the type that, when chilling with friends and staring at clouds, ruins their fun because "zomg that cloud doesn't have FIVE fingers on the left appendage, it CAN'T look like a human. AT ALL."

>>1380313
No, I'm the type of person who doesn't think there's a man in the clouds that creates them to look like stuff.

>>1380313
Nice ad-hominem. Butthurt are we?

>>1380311
The one in the back.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hand_gesture#Fig_sign

Look at the Sistine Chapel 3D viewer yourself, for hi-res. Look directly at the ceiling, and right to the top-right of Touched by the Hand of God.

>>1380330
>>1380323
The only disagreement here is whether or not it looks like a brain. Some of us think it does. You two think it doesn't. I think that it looks incredibly like a brain, and since you (the first poster) disagree, I drew the conclusion that you're probably really pedantic about the tiniest of details.

bump

>>1380339
Actually I major in neuroscience, so I know what a brain actually looks like. No offense.

this fucking thread... stop posting it

>>1381249
That you may,but this is a bit of art with perhaps a small fu church in the middle of it, get it? This wasn't some vatican anatomy book.

Bitches don't know about pareidolia.