/sci/ - Science & Math

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Blind Watchmaker was good.

GUYS PAUSE IT FOR ME WHILE I GO BUY PIZZA

Yo dawg, that's cool and all, but Imma gonna go watch The Boondocks instead, because stuff like this is just so damn boring to me, ya dig?

>>1319375
Cool story bro

Sure is samefag in here.

deist here
dawkins is a arrogant bastard
haters gonna hate

>>1319421
why deist?

>>1319421
Fuck off scia
and stop spamming your Mars mission shit

>>1319432
How did you know its me?

>>1319446
why deist?

>>1319448
Science and intuition

>>1319451
That isn't an answer

damn it richard stop bumping your own thread

>>1319463

you wanna say that to my face?

ITT world's most butthurt scientist and atheist.

>Unfortunately, we couldn’t find the page you were looking for. If you typed the address (URL) in manually, it's possible that it may have been misspelled.

http://www.livestream.com/howdoesitwork

>>1319461
Do you know how unlikely it is that even stars can be made if the universe arised by quantum fluxuations? Even if it was quantum fluxuations caused the universe you then have to ask the question where did those particles come from? Just like the god question you eventually get a infinite regress. Unless of course you say that those particles or god existed forever, or seeing as time was created at the big bang just say they never had a beginning. I just think it more likely that something started off the universe rather then we just got lucky.

Now the reason i don't believe in a personal god is that a god that has to tune his/her creation all the time is a incompetent god.

is this good enough?

>>1319488
Keep bumping your own thread on the internet and see what happens

>>1319506
We sure are damn lucky, out of all the infinite gods that wouldn't have made this exact universe, that there came one that did make us. Maybe there was an even superior god that explains our amazing luck in having this creator god... oh wait.

>>1319506
What made god if everything has to be made?

Why does there have to be an intelligent being? Do you think that just because our molecules aligned to make an intelligent being?

>>1319540
As i stated before the only logical conclusion is that god never had a beginning

>>1319506

Given an infinite amount of time even the most unlikely events happen.

Unlikely? Sure. But not impossible.

People don't understand the concept of infinite.

With infinite time, no matter how long it takes, anything WILL happen and HAS ALREADY happened out of vacuum fluctuations.

See: A thousand monkeys with typewriters etc.

>>1319496
seriously is the stream going or wat

>>1319549

The why does the universe have to have a beginning? Why do you think God has to exist?

Time is the only thing that has been here forever, the universes that pop up from the quantum vacuum fluctuations, then decay and die have also been popping up for ever.

It's kind of like a circle, that has no beginning, or end. Our universe will eventually decay, but the Cosmos will survive when another universe appears.

>>1319549
What if I made my own god to give God a beginning? I could say that aliens made God and they didn't need a beginning. It has the same amount of evidence, none.

>>1319549
Still why do you assume there has to be an intelligent being that created it all? Do you assume that just because we are built intelligent? Why couldn't he be as smart as a tree? Its an organism too? Why does he have to exist?

>>1319552
But then you again have to ask where everything came in the first place

fluxuations require particles

>>1319587
trees exist to give me oxygen

>>1319599
Is it too hard for theists to say "I don't know but I'm sure that if we study the universe and try to figure it out we will get the answer even if it's not in my lifetime"? I'm just wondering?

>>1319599

Vacuum fluctuations don't require matter.

They just require a vacuum. And the vacuum is always there.

That's the nature of the quantum vacuum. It just is, regardless of what's going on out there.

>>1319599
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ImvlS8PLIo
inb4, bawwww its an hour long, etc
just watch it

>>1319587
to create a universes law of physics so precise as to
allow evolution of intelligence requires intelligence

its like saying why did einstein have figure out relativity? why not a fish?

>>1319599
>Doesn't know what quantum fluctuations are.

>>1319609
the first thing i see is dawkins
RAGE

>>1319612
To figure out the precise traits and intelligence of a creator god so that it would create our universe, the creator must have had a creator too...

>>1319615
" a quantum fluctuation is the temporary change in the amount of energy in a point in space"

and where did that energy come or the laws to allow the fluxuation?

>>1319619
Wrong

>>1319616

Dawkins is there just to introduce Krauss, then he leaves with his coffee mug and krauss talks about science for an hour and four minutes then leaves.

>>1319620
>where did the energy come from
read after the comma in the wikipedia article

or does your attention span for this kind of stuff disallow it?

>>1319577
I know the idea of something existing without evidence is anathema to you /sci/ types, but you weren't Abraham when God was fucking with him. You weren't Job who kept trying to escape God's attention. You weren't Lot, who saw Sodom and Gomorrah get nuked and then his wife turned to salt.

You didn't see me raise people from the dead, didja? Yet, I still love you, and I'm gonna give you a chance, Anon. So shut the fuck up and open up your heart to something greater than what you can see or hear or touch. Who know? You just might be surprised what me and my Dad have in store for you between the quantum-reality-fuck all-spectrum of things.

>>1319625
no u

>>1319629
8.5/10

Sincere rating.

>>1319629
>>You just might be surprised what me and my Dad have in store for you between the quantum-reality-fuck all-spectrum of things.

Gay sex? Please be gay sex!!!

>>1319629

I was all these people, and more.

I am God.

Thou art God.

>>1319612
anthropic principle, brah

also fuck you, you can create intelligence with fucking cellular automata. Universe ain't gotta be complex to have intelligence.

>>1319640
I can grok it.

>>1319637
Try....to give people Eternal Life...look what I get.

>>1319636
And YOU....no sucking up!

>>1319642
Then where did the multiverse come from?
I believe god creates the constants of nature to eventually allow life. The multiverse is just another step

>>1319642
Well our universe is complex very fucking complex

>>1319672
Now you're getting it.

There are many rooms in my father's mansion.

>>1319672
where did god come from

>>1319679
Not really. I mean, it follows very simple rules but it results in very complex behavior.

>>1319672
Not sure what point you're trying to get across but "life" is just a word we use to describe a natural phenomenon in our universe. We could just as easily say that god creates the constants of nature to eventually allow cake.

>>1319694
im a deist not a christian

>>1319705
where did god come from?

>>1319703
thats elegance not simplicity

likesaying beethoven's 9th is primitive because 1 note is a simple thing. Its the way the notes interact is why we call it complex
complex

>>1319714
as iv;e said before he always existed or else you get a infinite regress.

>>1319742
So why can't the multiverse exist forever?

>>1319749
First good question

Of course the multiverse has no evidence for it(lots of fancy maths though) so if you envoke the anthropic principle your taking that on faith

>>1319736
The question was whether the universe needed an intelligent designer to have something as complex as life in it. Clearly, this is not the case, because a very simple set of physical laws creates a very complex universe. It absolutely could have happened by chance.

the fuck just happened

OH WHAT THE FUCK

>>1319804
but the simple constents have to be just right to make life arise. mess with one and your complex universe is completly different

>Unfortunately, howdoesitwork has been temporarily locked. All of howdoesitwork's videos will remain hidden until we can resolve the issue. In the mean time, you may enjoy some of these related channels...

WTF. Who reported this? I bet it was a creationist hell bent on shutting this down....

Unfortunately, howdoesitwork has been temporarily locked. All of howdoesitwork's videos will remain hidden until we can resolve the issue. In the mean time, you may enjoy some of these related channels...

>>1319816
But if the complex universe was different we wouldn't be here.

>>1319801
Any time you talk about potentials, i.e., "what the universe could have been like", you may invoke the anthropic principle.

Looks like it died... well I needed a break

it was probably scia who reported it

>>1319826
scia is a faggot

looks like someone got mad.

maby spudder is a faggot and locked it himself

typical power abuser

>>1319816
So what? It would be different, but still complex. It might have some kind of super-life that we can't even comprehend in our universe.

That's annoying... Really liked that show.

>>1319838
I bet it was you.

SPUDDER GET YOUR WHORE ASS OVER HERE AND EXPLAIN ME THIS BULLSHIT

WHY

>>1319855
this, I was really enjoying that

>>1319826
I never did

HAHAH Your all a bunch of atheist teens mad that your little kid show is gone. Yeah, it was me who reported your silly little livestream channel. Such stuff shouldn't alllowed to be viewed on the Internet anyway which was created by DARPA and funded by American taxpayers. That's right, America. And America was founded as a nation under God.

Now fuck off you science queers, your shit has been proven wrong time and time again.

>>1319872
2/10
I almost got mad

>>1319826
>>1319833
I didnt do anything i was in this thread arguing cosmology and metaphysics

>>1319872
>Yeah, it was me who reported your silly little livestream channel.
Uh huh, sure.
Gryffindoor loses 10 points.

>>1319872
you seems very confused.

>>1319874
>>1319872
>justifying himself on the internet

>>1319872

Even though scia is a faggot he's been there for a couple of days and if he were to report it he probably would have earlier. It was probably some troll.

Is it possible to unlock the channel?

Wtf? Locked channel, I was streaming for 5 mins before I realised no1 was talking lol

So make a new channel?

slashnick here

>>1319899
No, OP has to create a new account on livestream.com, meaning he also needs another email address.

>>1319887
How am i a faggot?
I don't see you coming up with plans to colonize space
or anything new

HAHAHAH YOU WERE A BUNCH OF PATHETIC TEENAGER ATHEIST FAGGOTS ANYWAY
WHO FUCKING CARES

>>1319913
you're a deist, thats enough to come to that conclusion.

>>1319913
>stand back plz ibe colonize the space

>>1319914
Well, for one we know you do. Hence why you replied.

>>1319923
counter-sage

>>1319901
no a good idea, the same idiot is waiting to strike again, bet on that. it's a shame i was enjoying that channel.

Do I still need a new account/email if I wasn't the channel owner, because I wasn't

>>1319934
No, just your own channel that isn't locked.

>>1319931
>the same idiot is waiting to strike again

>>1319934
you could torrent it, then we could discuss it latter here.

>>1319951
>latter

>>1319304
They're both on youtube, why waste your time?

Person who reported your stream here. I will agree not to report your next stream so long as you agree to at least air a documentary promoting the alternative view point of creation.

>>1319965
I lol'd

>>1319872
O HOLY CRUSADES
THINE BURNING FIRE DOTH BRIGHTLY BURN WITH THE FLAMES OF FIERY BURNING

>>1319965
Just like in the real world! Extorting someone in order to gain illumination of a crackpot theory!

no moar streams?

>>1319965
that's what terrorists usually say.

torrent or rapidshit it op.

>>1319965
and this, my friends, is how the creationists have managed to strong arm creationism into the school curriculum. wealthy creationists cut funding, or perform a false-flag attack, or in some other means sabotage science, and then black mail it into agreeing to its terms.

>>1319974
>implying hes not a troll

>>1319965

9/10 was about to rage, although if that is actually true (you or not) i want to kill myself for the idiocy

>>1319916
>I disagree with you so you are a faggot
sure is human nature in here

>>1319991
sure is faggot in here

Nice Guts Finish First:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFj0caNX1s0

The Blind Watchmaker:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EG-7SDb_8Wo

>>1319984
The dichotomy stands whether it's a "troll" (i.e. a lie) or not.

could op stream with VLC?
bulletproof.

>>1319991
All deists are faggots. People who disagree with me aren't always.

>>1319998
I think thats what he was doing.

also

Connections with James Burke:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OcSxL8GUn-g

>>1320008

I was just streaming shit from youtube and shit like that, not vlc.

Being able to watch the programs is easy, the point was to watch it with (hopefully) like minded people

>>1320000
stop assuming things
and explain how all deist are faggots

>>1320020
The whole point is to have a real time discussion as we watch the video with other people who are interested.

if evolution is real then how come pic related

>>1320025
Scia is a deist
Scia is a faggot
therefore all deists are faggots

>>1320020
next time try to set up a VLC stream and a chat elsewhere.
look like tinychat and others are to easy to lock.

>>1320035
lol flawed logic

>>1320034
>a wild swamp beast appears

>>1320035
and how am i a faggot

i would be more inclined to listen to his opinions if he was not an insufferable prick

>>1319609
>universe can arise from nothing
>still needs quantum mechanics
>quantum mechanics is something
oh you

>>1320108
eventually op will be back with a stream you can't mess with, you will eventually join the chat room, recognized and get banned. and NOTHING of value (troll or crazy person), was lost.

>>1320108
>implying quantum mechanics aren't universal

>>1320147
Again i didn't report shit
stop taking my crimes on faith

>>1320151
Implying that if there universal they aren't something

Actually i did report your stream
My arguments arent even persuasive enough for me so I resolve to just shutting you up as the best possible recourse

>>1320163
>implying without greentext
>faggot

>implying they are something

>>1320108
>doesn't understand quantum mechanics

oh you

>>1320175
IP check this imposter

>>1320181
>impying they arent

bump

>>1320194
>quantum mechanics, a system which has rules and laws.
>claiming it is equivalent to total absence of rules and laws (I.E; nothing)

look bro, either the universe started on its own somehow, or some kind of higher being came first, and then made the universe. or some combination of the two

it's chicken and egg, except physicists have this strange notion that the egg can be the chicken too and come before both of them

>>1320266
I think the idea is that there never was "nothing". A vacuum, yes, but the laws of physics have always applied. There is no "beginning" to time itself.

>>1320284
yes there was

>>1320284
that's like saying god has no beginning
aww crap, now you're christian! whops

>>1320290
It is like saying there is someplace farther south than the southpole, it just doesn't exist

>>1320284
Of course there is a beginning to time. At least to the time-dimension as we know it. If there was something analogous to it before the beginning is one of the questions we're pursuing right now.

>>1320290
That is what is under debate here.

>>1320293
Uh like the first sentence in Genesis starts with "In the beginning"

>>1320300
Why are you assuming the time dimension has a beginning? Does space have a beginning?

>>1320298
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crux

>>1320311
It was only an analogy

>>1320266
Or the universe DIDN'T start, and whatever was in that point for the Big Bang and shit was always there. Or maybe it was a nigger like you who shit out a fish that swallowed fire and an iPhone, and the terrible antenna placement created a shockwave of nerd rage that set off the Big Bang.

lrn2falsedichotomy, fucking faggot.

>>1320266
Nobody could possibly know for sure how the Universe started, what was before it, was there anything before it, etc etc etc...

And you're going to narrow it down to either, it started on its own, or some "higher being" who just happened to fucking be there did it.

Seriously, why the fuck do people always assume there has to be a higher power. Holy fuck.

bump

>>1320332
well honestly we do not know jack shit, why make assumptions one way or the other

>>1320996
It's more the fact that when people hear that we don't have an explanation they immediately think that it had to have been god.

So the stream is still down? :(