/sci/ - Science & Math

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>>1316796
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>>1316796

hay guyz why's titan so big but ganymed so small

I am in no way prepared for an apocalypse myself. But I don't think an electromagnetic storm would be the end of the world as we know it. For starters, only one side of the earth will get fried, right? And guns will still work. The government has more guns than rednecks. Won't take long to clamp down some form of order.

my balls itch

>>1316820

yeah, but no communications to unite the forces with the guns.

>>1316827

It won't take long to get a wireless transmitter working, really.

>>1316791

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>>1316827

Governments don't rely on telecommunications. They use hard-wiring that doesn't use electricity but rather uses sound, or mechanics.

bump for more theory crafting?

We could repair all the necessary stuff in weeks. Install simple wireless transceivers in populated areas in a day or two, and give out instructions to local governments and whatnot.
Yeah there would some niggers looting but there would also be cops and military personnel.
I say everything would be the same in developed countries in half a year or even less.

>>1318099
oh and of course some companies would go irreversibly bankrupt while others would reach unimaginable profits.
Call it natural selection on steroids in the business world if you will.

OP's picture is most amusing.

>>1316839
>Governments don't rely on telecommunications. They use hard-wiring that doesn't use electricity but rather uses sound, or mechanics.

>>1318120
Fibre optics?

They require electronic equipment at either end to encode or decode transmissions.

>>1316794
>First craft to approach Uranus

Teehee.

>>1316794
Then we go to the dark ages where its socially acceptable to rape women

>>1318128
>fiber optics

>Governments don't rely on telecommunications.
>They use hard-wiring that ... uses sound, or mechanics.

well the whole world would essentially collapse the moment it happens. nearly every single business will be destroyed, the economy will be dead, distribution of resources will cease, communication will stop. these are just what scrapes the surface.

i'd give the world about 1-2 days before everything becomes batshit crazy.

>>1318138
>greentext
>implying I am the same anon you were talking to
>Implying I even know what you guys are talking about

>>1316794
A day, same as normal just no electricity, an extended black out

A week, food issues would begin for people

A month, riots guaranteed

>>1318144
>

I have solar panels, a battery backup system, a laptop and ham radio all in an emp shielded trunk I built.

I also keep a stock of food, water, ammunition, and other supplies in my house and bug out bag.

I'm from /k/ btw.

>>1318143
>>1318139
Ever heard of local governments and police force?
Also see
>>1318099

I suspect in this scenario NASA fundings would be further reduced.

>>1318163
EMP shielded how?

>>1318174
After 2 weeks the average household will be out of food, and local stores and shit will be raided, and here, there aren't many big stores, there would be riots here.

>>1318163
>implying laptop won't get damaged
>implying coming from /k/ guaranties your survival

>>1318174

okay? considering all forms of technology would have been wiped out, that isn't purely mechanical, there's no transport or anything to distribute resources efficiently within a given time before riots and looting etc. starts to occur.

governments and police forces work in a civilized state, not where they are heavily outnumbered by the general population trying to survive.

>>1318188
Again, local governments.
Handing out emergency rations for a week tops, until the necessary shit is restored. And shooting niggers who loot.

tl;dr Ever heard of bread lines?

>>1318186
I welded a 4'x6'x2' box out of 1/4" sheet metal, made sure it was conductive all the way around, then lined the inside with plywood and some rubber foam.

Not very complicated.

>>1318186
>EMP shielded how?
Surrounded by any conducting metal, bro.

>>1318189
>emp shielded

>>1318199
Protip: You don't need electrical equipment to bake bread.

>>1318211

this isn't pre 1950's anymore, the world today heavily depends on technology and not everyone is going to sit at home happily baking bread to live off.

>>1318206
Mother fucker are you retarded?

Right, everything electrical based goes down hard.

That means almost every mode of transport except for pedal bikes and the like, there are no communications systems up and running apart from the dude with bikes and some carrier pigeons.

Resources can't be moved due to lack of transport, and there isn't even a shadow of efficient logistics because there are no methods of communication.

And the police forces won't be able to do much outside of their immediate local area.

>>1318220

also may i add even with something as simple as bread, ingredients for it will eventually run out so yeah.

>>1318220
Well this is not the fucking stone age either, so yes, the majority would indeed stay home and wait for the rations.
Maybe have some sex for stress relief.

>>1318233

what fucking rations? the majority of people live in cities now and there's no mode of transport to get shit across to everyone. considering there's over 6 and a half billion mouths to feed, sitting at home jacking off isn't going to solve any problems.

>>1318163
greetings fellow /k/omrade

I too am in the grasps of pseudo-paranoia.

like the rest of the board

>>1318245
Exactly my point.

High population densities, and little to no food being brought in = very bad shit for everyone in the area.

>>1318225
Hey asshat, what makes you think that they couldn't repair a shitload of trucks in 2 days and start spreading out food?
Yes, maybe the big cities would be screwed a bit more but whatever. An EMP phenomenon is not the fucking apocalypse unless there's an invading force or some shit.

Also question: Would car batteries, and other simple mechanical elements be fried also, I'm really thinking that simpler cars would be unaffected or could be easily repaired.

>>1318261

a car battery isn't a simple mechanical element

>>1318252
>>1318245
You morons do realize that the government could figure out something to solve the problem with the big cities in the matter of days?

>>1318261
Simple cars would be easily repaired I agree.

But what fucking vehicle since the 70's doesn't have an engine management control system.

That's the issue, it could be okay if we were a simpler society but we aren't, we rely far too heavily on fine tuned electronic equipment.

And here's a good rule to follow with EMP

If it has wires, it's almost guaranteed to be fucked.

>>1318225
>Implying carrier pigeons aren't a form of electrical telecommunication
gtfo

>>1318274
Oh yeah they could easily.

How do they go about communicating it to everyone though and executing it?

>>1318274

considering there's no communication other than getting someone on a bike with a letter, the amount of organisation this would require on a global scale isn't even worth talking about which is why the government will essentially fail.

>>1318279

Wow, another /k/ommando here.

Reading this thread reminded me of how fucked the masses are going to be when SHTF.

How's it feel being useless outside of your fragile society?

>>1318288
>>1318283
I'm quite sure there are a shitton of secret (or not secret) military airplane bunkers that are protected against EMP strikes. They would be handing out radios to local governments and from then on communication wouldn't be a problem.

wtf is all this shit about communications going down.... wireless communication coast to coast will be back up in a matter of days, if not hours... It's really not that difficult to make a transmitter or a radio.

>>1318318
>Implying there will be anyone to man them at that exact moment
>Implying people are able to get there to man them
>Implying they can somehow relay information on a vast scale to the local populous.

>>1318209
>Implying your punny shield will protect you when earth's magnetic field fails

>>1318353
As long as eddy-currents don't heat it up too much and melt it, it should protect his shit.

>>1318353
I think I would have bigger things to worry about if earth's magnetic field failed.

Besides, I have all my important data on a DVD or hard copy, and I can easily survive without electricity.

>>1318351
Now you are just either trolling or seriously retarded.
Military personnel would man the fucking military aircraft after receiving direct orders from the goddamn government.
And yes, they could.
Maybe there would be a large scale panic for a very short period of time, and by that I mean 3 days max, but after that things would prolly get on track.

>>1318369

yeah all that important data which is now useless due to all methods of retrieving it becoming just another piece of junk.

>>1318372

military aircraft? did you even read the original post holy fuck.

>>1318383
see
>>1318318

>>1318375
I like how hard you're trying to put me down.

I said I don't need any electronics to survive comfortably.

Unlike you who would probably cry and kill yourself as soon as your macbook stops working.

Ok. New scenario.

EM storm hits, fries the grid, and for some reason everybody with the skills needed to repair shit dies. They all had pacemakers.

Same question.

I'm really sure that (at least in the US) the White House could maintain communications with all the major military bases and population hubs.

>>1318393

i never mentioned anything about electricity, i said all your important data would become irrelevant.

>>1318397
He's got enough CP printed out to last for years.

>>1318397
You still don't seem to realize that this does not bother me.

I would spend the rest of my days sitting on my porch picking off unprepared hipsters and others that want my supplies with my nugget.

Feels good man.

>>1318411
mosins all up in this shit

I am pleased

I don't think even a "massive electromagnetic storm" would ruin all electronics. Plenty of stuff is shielded well enough to survive, and anything powerful enough to really ruin everything would have much more dramatic consequences...

I know, hypothetical scenario and all that, but it's kinda pushing suspension of disbelief a little too far. At some point you need to know what does and doesn't work, and the whole thing just sorta falls apart.

Wait a sec!
Armored vehicles that have basically no windows are giant Faraday cages. They would be practically unharmed. Think about it.

>>1318459

Well, close, a Faraday cage should be grounded, but you're on the right track.

And there's stuff better shielded than that (mu-metal and such). It doesn't 100% stop all radiation, but anything that can penetrate it enough to cause damage will also probably melt the entire power grid and just generally fuck shit up.

If you have to worry about whether your pre-1980 car will still start, you're probably dead anyway. Riots or whatever aren't your biggest concern.

This is nearly the basis for Dies the Fire, by SM Stirling. For whatever reason, electronics and explosives both fail, and the world returns to a Medieval state. After massive starvation, of course.

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>>1318459
most armor used for vehicles now a days isnt ferrous metal, but a magnesium alloy

>>1316794

Not every piece of technology would be fried. The world would bounce back.

>>1318642
a magnesium steel alloy

>>1316791

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>>1318394
there are books and its not hard to learn how to build radios and fix cars