/sci/ - Science & Math

>>1295998
No chance we would under socialism either.

You know it makes me very sad I will never see a humanity that employs direct democracy.

>>1296021
they did that in athens and it was a disaster. the communities sentenced every infringement to death

lrn2/sociology

>>1296005
>I imply capitalism is bad
>socialism is DE ONLY ALTERNATIVE HURR

Maybe YOU won't. But there are definitely people that already do.

>>1296005

No, we definitely would.

The capitalists know that if the general populace understood the wonder of space, their value system would no longer satisfy them.

>>1296021
what the fuck is direct democracy

FREE MARKET WILL FIX IT

>>1296039
olol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cf1gZxmIDKw
Just watch.

>>1296047
No government. All decisions made by informed and understanding communities linked and empowered by technology.

Technocracy

everything else is inferior.

>>1296067
Brofist.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDJ18m6KUW4&feature=related

>>1296057
I couldn't stand more than a minute of that, no matter how high the ideal might be. Someone summarize it for me.

planet 51 was an inside joke. This is exactly how our 50s should have been, but thanks to capitalism it wasnt. All of our modern technology is practically based on one's man's work in the 20s - 40s, the rest of which we know about.

concerning op. You're a fagot. I really hate your type. You own more than one mobile phone, more than one hand held device, more than one console, more than one computer, the best video card, and try to grab the latest of anything new. Yet, you're still sad. All your poor fag friends seem more content with their singular devices than you are showing them your newly bought stuff.

The only space im concerned about travelling through at faster than light speed is the one between my ears

tl;dr: n/a to /sci/

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>>1296067

Socialism or gtfo

>>1296072
Okay.
Technocratic Anarcho-communism. With the sole striving is to advance technology, science, while also holding the environmental and human paramount instead of money. Money gets taken out. Post-scarcity.

>>1296084
Communism is inherently retarded. It will make that system fail.

Technocratic-anarchy is a different deal.

Equality is full of naive bullshit.

>>1296073
>concerning op. You're a fagot. I really hate your type. You own more than one mobile phone,
Actually none
>more than one hand held device,
Nope.
>more than one console,
Only an Xbox 360.
>more than one computer,
I have a laptop and a desktop. Both are fairly modest.
>the best video card,
HD4850? Hahahahah....
>and try to grab the latest of anything new. Yet, you're still sad. All your poor fag friends seem more content with their singular devices than you are showing them your newly bought stuff.
Sigh.
>The only space im concerned about travelling through at faster than light speed is the one between my ears
What?

>tl;dr: n/a to /sci/
Actually the whole point would be for human advancement.

>>1296055

You may say I'm a dreamer but I'm not the only one.
I hope one day you'll join us, and the world will live as one.

Fuck, Lennon rhymed 'one' with 'one'. That's shit.

Anyway, the general sentiment still stands.

>>1296084
>Technocratic Anarcho-communism

No way that would fail!

>>1296091
This.
Those who strive for equality strive for nothing. Competition is what makes us superior and keeps progress going... why do things if there's no challenge involved?

>>1296084

This is correct.

>>1296091
>Communism is inherently retarded. It will make that system fail.
Explain why. Also, the current system in most of the world is something inbetween capitalism and socialism. Blends make systems work bro.
>Equality is full of naive bullshit.
If you make it 'Every man is create equal' in the purer sense by taking out the money side then why would it be?

>>1296100

That's a lie capitalists told you. They think you're a chump for believing them. They say stuff about your mother.

>>1296103
People simply aren't equal. Not in mind nor physical prowess. It doesn't matter which way you put it, ideals and fantasies don't come to pass.

>>1296100
....You're fucking kidding me, right?
People like doing things because it's fun, or they want to find out something. Not how much points (money) you get. Under that logic, Apple's OSX is better than Linux in everything.

>>1296105
.... Believing who?
Evolution?

>>1296108
It is impossible to make everyone completely equal. But is it such a bad thing to make it just a little more level?

Capitalism is doing fine: http://nextbigfuture.com/

>>1296110
Why points or money? Do you like to insert random bullshit into words? Power is what strives in this world, regardless of your retarded naive fantasies.

Laws are only upheld because of power. People will only listen if there is force behind it.

>>1296103
Because men are NOT all equal. Some are born stronger, or smarter, or faster than others. If we were all equal, we'd all be identical.

>>1296108

That's what they made you believe by pounding your head into the earth.

>>1296115

That's not science, dipshit.

When you want to make everyone think they start equally, they get it into their minds that they are. When an idiot smoking crack goes up and says that he is just like you, he should be called inept.

>>1296116
wat

That how our entire species evolved you moronic egalitarian.

>>1296114
Go to bed Ayn Rand.

>>1295998
Basically, it boils down to to the fact that we will never experience space travel, superstructures, and galactic scale projects under humanity in it's current level of sophistication.

For humanity to achieve anything on that scale, society must be organized and directed by non-human AGI agents acting for the common good.

>>1296124
hahahaah

Sure go to bed little child, you must not be up in society yet. Go up to any intelligent person and tell him to make friends with a complete dumbfuck.

>>1296115

our rights are equal, dumbwit

/sci/ - Economic & Philosophic

>>1296135
Rights
Rights
Right

I'm sorry you have rights? Oh sorry I didn't know. Oops.

As long as we live in a universe where entropy is key these naive ideas won't become a reality- or you can bet they'll be paid for by the people who aren't a part of it. I wish it wasn't so.

>>1296131
>Don't fight the system let it take you you will never change it

>>1296103
>If you make it 'Every man is create equal' in the purer sense by taking out the money side then why would it be?
Because 'Every man is create equal' is bullshit. Not every man are equal, get used to it.

No incitative to work = you already failed. Practically every country that collectivised something had to undo everytihng at some point because it failed (i.e. see USSR, and all the countries that used to be in USSR, and MANY other countries all over the world). The best example of this is what many countries tried to do with agriculture, many tried to collectivise it and just let people work and hand out food and bla bla, happy "lalalalal we save the world and love each others" shit. Guess what, most of them failed miserably and these countries have so much fucking debt today that they probably will never get out of it. Without money everything crumbles.

Influence and all the different kinds of power drive people to create new things. Ingenuity, innovation all sorts. Currency is simple one facet of that...

Only a fool would waste their time for the betterment of those who can't do the same. Why should we let the dumbfucks leech off our intelligence? Your argument is completely flawed.

>>1296145
>ROW ROW ROW FIGHT DA POWA

Hey moron, you have no idea what you're talking about here.

Any system would work if everyone was intelligent. Kill the dumbfucks, win at life.

>>1296145
I lol'd so hard. Damn children these days, with their naive fantasies. Power is everywhere.

>>1296146
>No incentive to work = you already failed.
That is such a fucking lie.
>many tried to collectivise it and just let people work and hand out food and bla bla, happy "lalalalal we save the world and love each others" shit. Guess what, most of them failed miserably
That's why you automate it.
>and these countries have so much fucking debt today that they probably will never get out of it. Without money everything crumbles.
Oh you. You can't imagine a world working without money can you?

>>1296159
Gotta love namefags. Gay enough to fail hard.

>>1296149

You see, this is the kind of arrogance that the bullied end up clutching to their wounded pride if you let them survive.

People like this are why I'm a Fascist.

>>1296159
Listen you inept idiot. Only 1% of intelligent people will work for the betterment of the idiots. Most want to have them killed, THAN everything would have a greater chance. Equality is only semi-achievable when everyone is at least intelligent.

>>1296149
Because people don't actually think that if they create a painting that they won't show it to other people because they are 'dumbfucks.'
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>>1296158
You are so easily trolled.
There are other ways to have 'power' other than money. Like... being motherfucking Carl Sagan.

>>1296166
wat

>>1296115

"All men ... are NOT created equal! Some are born swifter afoot, some with greater beauty, some are born into poverty and others born sick and feeble. Both in birth and upbringing, in sheer scope of ability every human is inherently different; Yes that is why people discriminate against one another, which is why there is struggle, competition and the unfaltering march of progress. Inequality is not wrong, equality is.

>>1296175
You imply power is just money.

Influence, ideals, thought, etc. Money is just one facet. You fail.

>>1296171

Sure is class dork in here.

>>1296171
Revolutionize the education system to include critical thinking. That most probably won't happen under the current capitalistic system for critical thinking means workers that are smartasses.

>>1296187
You cant fix stupid. Stop trying.

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>>1296182
>You imply power is just money.

>Influence, ideals, thought, etc. Money is just one facet. You fail.

What the fuck? I'm implying the exact opposite, that money ISN'T the only reason for power.

The fuck did you get HURRONLYMONEY from me?

False, The singularity is near. Suck a dick troll frog.

>>1296187
Did you watch zeitgeist in high school and suddenly had an orgasm? Sigh... idiots these days think people hold hands and love each-other. We evolved by beating the shit out of everyone else.

>>1296202
>We evolved by beating the shit out of everyone else
Okay tell me the reason for pretty much every single war. The driving reason.

>>1296177

Because science majors tend to be weaklings, ungifted in social interaction. We need a society that teaches this scum to OBEY from the start, and not to arrogate themselves to such insolence as is on display in this thread. The idea that these asthmatic inadequates could preach the Will to Power is laughable. All men are indeed not created equal. Their place is serving the alphas. For others, there are work parties, for others concentration camps. That's what I'd do, and there are more of me than you think.

>>1296198
...................

>>Equality is full of naive bullshit.
If you make it 'Every man is create equal' in the purer sense by taking out the money side then why would it be?

>>1296206
Genes

What kind of society is in the new Star Trek movie? I say whatever that is works

This thread is embarrassing. Almost as bad as religion. Everyone wants a better world, but please, face the facts.

>>1296216
That's pretty much what I'm proposing.

EVERYONE LETS HOLD HANDS AND LOVE EACHOTHER

I LOVE YOU ALL AND I LOVE RAINBOWS TOO WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

SHINY SHINY RAINBOWS LONG AND BENDY

HOW I LOVE YOU WEEEEE

>>1296219

SHUT THE FUCK UP SHUT THE FUCK UP YOU WERE BORN TO BE A SLAVE!

>>1296219
What would those be?
>>1296223
Maybe I should try /v/. /sci/ seems to hate humanity too much since being beaten up and chucked in lockers.

>>1296231
ROARRRRR

I WATCHED ZEITGEIST ROARRR, I THINK EVERYONE R SLAVE AND I ENGLIGHTENED NOW. HURR HUR HURR

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>>1296235
No sci hates the idiots of this world. Go fuck yourself.

If the fools weren't controlled they'd be ruining everything by not controlling their own limited desires. Regardless of what bullshit you create with WE ARE EQUAL, I LOVE RAINBOWS, you are going against human nature. You WILL fail.

>>1296241

Lol kiddies, Zeitgeist doesn't make you enlightened. It's like pseudo-science except more ridiculous.

>>1296235

Exactly, they were victims, so now they loathe the world. The solution is their final silence.

>>1296236
I've never seen Zeitgeist. I told you, I'm a Fascist.

>>1296252
Incorrect. Trying to troll on sci is in itself pointless.

>>1296254
>implying I found out the concept from Zeitgeist

>>1296255
A fascist that wants people to not be slaves. What. Sure is bullshit in here.

>>1296259
>Implying you aren't a bad troll. Also a terrible namefag.

LOL THIS WHOLE THREAD

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>>1296261

No, I want nerds to accept their destiny as slaves. For them to preach Social Darwinism is nonsensical - they are untermenschen, good for a specific purpose their masters will give them, but incapable of reason because twisted by the bitter recognition of their inferiority.

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>>1296268
You guys aren't going to have a normal conversation are you?

>>1296273
You aren't making much sense. Do you imply strength is superior to intelligence? Do you live in the bronze ages?

>>1296094
Space, the final frontier. These are the voyages between your ears.

So I was right about you. A typical fag who believes he can win an argument by dismantling a strawman.

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>>1296284
Nice well structured argument there bro.

>>1296181

What of the Soviet Union which made equality a right? Dictatorship and poverty. Vietnam with its equal distribution of wealth? A nation of lazy dullards. We will fight on, we shall struggle, compete, plunder and dominate and in the end the future shall be ours.

>>1296291
Nice fail there namefag.

>>1296280

No, because you're not intelligent, you're just good at math. You have your purpose and place, but the art of social control is not in you. You were not made to be masters, but to serve the purpose of those who were.

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>>1296298
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Well that rules you out doesn't it? Only a little child would imply what people are on the internets. Or an idiot thinking they are bigger than life and some awesome man like Hitler.

>>1296295

I could break your back with one hand, stop masturbating out here in public where everyone can see you.

>>1296307
Lol Internet tough guy.

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>>1296305

I'm not a Nazi, I'm a Fascist. You don't understand the difference because your role is to repair and engineer. OBEY

HEY I KNOW LETS TRY TO HAVE AN INTELLIGENT DISCUSSION WITH ANONYMOUS STRANGERS ON 4CHAN

>>1296312
Hahaahahahahahaha

And what is your goal? To posture yourself on tv while no one cares? Trust me your little dreams of leadership will never work out.

I'm no internet tough guy. I am not interested in stupid would-be threats and bullshit.

>>1296319
Alright, you've been promoted to idiot.

>>1296317

I am no Fuhrer, but a soldier. I know my place - know yours.

>>1296316
>unrelated to /sci/
This is extremely fucking related to /sci/.

>>1296325
/clap clap

Now go and kill yourself... for the cause? Yep.

>>1296326
You are the only namefag in this thread. All is meant to be anonymous, you inept fool.

>>1296316

It's great isn't it? I love how the Fascist character has got them going. They picture the people who humilated them in high school, and they have to try and sass the guy.

>>1296329
You didn't even think for a fucking second that if I was posting as Anonymous that it would be quite confusing after a while in the thread that I started?
I post as Anonymous 90% of the time.

Hey, do you think the penny dropped?

Let's get back to the discussion proper here. I can't do it because I'm drunk as hell but I find this interesting anyway so make an effort please.

Some of you are arguing for technocracy that will solve all of our problems. OK, an idea. Explain how technology will solve each of humanities flaws. I hope I don't need to list all of them because it's a long list.

Lulz the namefag and the fascist in here are hilarious. Did they get lost on sci?

>>1296334

Like now. this is me

>>1296334
You are not some superstar where everyone gives a shit what you say. Anonymity is there to reduce fail like yours.

>>1296338

Hail to Hitlor.

>>1296338
Technocracy isn't technology... it's a system that has techno in it. Google it.

>>1296338
Well technology has made pretty much everything around you excluding air and the laws of physics and so on. Technology is meant to free people for drudgery and repetitive or disgusting jobs, as well as opening up new opportunities.

Did people seriously think I was a Fascist? lol

>>1296350
I LOVE ZEITGEIST. IT OPENED MY EYES. WEEEEEEEEEEE

Everyone is just a part of me, god I love cock.

Op watches too much zeitgeist. Like a shitload of it. Daily reruns every day?

Don't listen to that guy, I AM TOO A Fascist.

>>1296280
Send me your address fagot, I'll show you who are smarter

>>1296362
I am too.

Heil Hitlor.

>>1296295

But not our beloved Germany, we fight, we compete, evolution is continuous. Germany alone moves forward, advancing steadily into the future, even the death of the furher, demonstrates Germany unswerving commitment to progress. we will fight on, we shall struggle, compete, plunder and dominate and in the end the future shall be ours. ALL HAIL GERMANY!!!!!"

>>1296354

RAUS RAUS

>>1296363
Internet tough guy.

When you can't defend your argument.

Shit like theft and corruption isn't a thing that needs to be there. Take out money, provide everyone with the same things by setting up factories to be automated pretty much 100%. You set up a reward system for people to make them innovate and create, lets say someone that creates the first FTL drive for a spaceship. He would then be able to be the first person to go. If you think money is the only thing that gives incentive then you don't know shit about people.

>>1296363

Yeah, that's not me. Ignore him, I'm the real Fascist, and I was trolling.

>>1296348

You're right and my face is red. So how do we decide who is most qualified to make decisions in their field? Don't we just go straight back to capitalistic ideas?

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>>1296361
Read the whole thread.

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samefag

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samefag

>my face when 130 replies

>>1296371
Too much zeitgeist. Monetary weight is only one part of power.

>>1296385

What do you hope to gain by stealing my act?

>>1296393
I hope to achieve large quantities of samefag

>>1296397

Very well. I suggest you post a pic of some old-school Klansmen next.

>>1296391
There will always be people with more power. The thing is, it's a pretty shitty deal if BP's CEO has more power than this guy that is doing amazing shit in some science study because of his amount of money. Power should be based on different criteria, you see?

>>1296406
Yes I do see. However, in your previous posts you tried to determine that equality is possible. That is naive, even without money.

Hey, it's me, the original Fascist, from back in the day. I'm actually a Stalinist. So, kinda ironic really. That's showbusiness. Kill the uppity fucking apparatchiks.

1296371

Libertarian Socialism FTW

>>1296411
No no noooo. I'm saying that equality, power and opportunities shouldn't lie on how much money you have. By providing equal opportunities for every person to reach their fullest potential.... Very different things start happening.

I don't suppose anyone on /sci/ is familiar with the book 'Manna' ?

>>1296406

Not really.

The CEO of BP has more power than that scientist because he has control over more peoples actions. The CEO not only has his power but also the power of everyone that works for BP and to a lesser extent people that trade with BP.

The scientist controls himself and the few people working in his lab. His idea's or discoveries may alter the world on a large scale afterwards but in modern science those ideas are given away... so once developed he doesn't control them.

>>1296420
We can't base our own speculations on how the world actually works. Simply because the rich appear to be in power, does not make it so.

Also weren't you the ones that meantioned communism <<

>Technocratic Anarcho-communism

You sullied a good system with it Technocratic-Anarchism is pro. Adding equality to it fails.

>>1296430

By Marshall Brain? post scarcity society and all that?

>>1296432
Anarchy would be all based on who has the most power without laws... no one would be equal at all.

>>1296431
Why specifically the the CEO have more sway than the scientist?
Ah.
>>1296432
That's just a blanket term that I'm using that I can find fits it best. It would be there to ensure that Earth's resources are being managed efficiently and responsibly, while also trying to make people as happy as possible while also educating them and so on. Basically, humans to try and create the closest facsimile of heaven on Earth as they can.

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>>1296439
Yes.

>>1296455
Heaven is so called because it is impossible to reach lulz.

Education may work yes, but you misunderstand on how it all works. There is far too much waste in the world, re-education would be a pointless effort on them. Why would you want the useless leeching off the intelligent/creative/ingenius...

Don't look in the sky, don't look in the sea

he's inside of you and me.

>>1296455
Education gives knowledge.

Knowledge is useless without the means to use it. How you use the knowledge you know is how you can be determined as intelligence. Educate the idiots all you want, it will do nothing.

Read Noam Chomsky; all problems soved

>>1296477
THIS
This...

Most need to understand that education doesn't somehow make everyone useful. Attaining knowledge is only part 1.

>>1296470
Well once you have news corporations like Fox News and such disintergrate pretty quickly, and people stop being bombarded by advertisement people tend to be a little more rational.
As for the lazy/shitty people riding the top 1% of smart people, isn't that effectively happening now? You want to increase that 1% over time.

>>1296480

Part 2: You suck cock.

>>1296484
All those media stations are doing is keeping the fools complacent. Without being controlled they would just stampede and destroy any sense of progress. You cannot make the stupid, intelligent, that's just not how the world works. You can fight it, you can scream out in righteous anger, and nothing will happen.

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>>1296477
Lets say someone studying nano-technology suddenly has a brainwave about something or another.

In the current system, he would most probably need equipment costing around 100,000 dollars. Which is doable. But then he needs to jump through hoops to get funding. Competition when it comes to scientific research funding is detrimental.

>>1296484
Oh you are right, the current society blows hard. For that, killing them would always work. Cruel but effective, choose progress or stagnation.

>>1296498
That goes back to the point on money, you didn't answer my question of why educate the stupid? yes I do agree that money is pointless, but I do NOT agree that idiots can be made smart. If you want your scientific society, you'll have to remove quite a fair bit of the current population. Only 10% even know the core knowledge of science.

>>1296492
>All those media stations are doing is keeping the fools complacent
... Have you listened to Glenn Beck? It's like he's trying to make all the Tea Party people bash all Mexicans and Middle Eastern people.
>Without being controlled they would just stampede and destroy any sense of progress.
law and order would still exist. It just wouldn't be such a clusterfuck as it is today with theft, copyright, allegations of x wife took x house away from me and so on.

>>1296512
Yes it wouldn't be. Instead the fools will impede progress. Idiots and fools are around 5000x than the intelligent. We would devolve, not evolve.

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>>1296510
This...

The OP needs to understand that you will get nowhere without taking steps. Changing the system into another fail system does not work. Progress demands sacrifice...

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>>1296502
No killing. You offer a more interesting, more hands-on version of education. People not stressed out from their factory job and stuff. Permanent vacation. Suddenly people have time to think. They get bored of just doing nothing but laying around in the sun. So they start painting. They start debating. They start reading a book. They start trying different chemicals.


How did you guys get smart? You weren't born with it. Your 'science' gene got stimulated in some way or another, and you craved more information.

>>1296498

Except that how does he prove that the idea he has had is a 'brainwave' and not just a stupid idea? that 100,000 dollars doesn't just magically appear it represents the work of other people.

Scientists with a track record of producing results can pretty much get that $100,000 grant straight away... unproven scientists need to convince others to give it them otherwise people would manipulate the system to use it as a cash cow.

>>1296524
You think of humanity as generally intelligent. That is your flaw...

If you refuse to kill, you will get nowhere. Killing is natural, no matter how sensitive it is to your ethics.

>>1296522
Please offer conclusive, irrefutable evidence of the need to kill off at least 75% of the population in order to make this system work, rather than just imposing something like a one child per person thing.

>>1296524
Sigh OP, you are far too naive... 80-90% of this world is normal and useless. All they will ever be good for is menial labor and leeching off the top. Machinery and robotics will take over their role, than the scientific elite can rule.

>>1296527
>Except that how does he prove that the idea he has had is a 'brainwave' and not just a stupid idea
He can't, unless he gets that $100,000.

Now think, there probably has been so many ideas by people that probably would of worked and revolutionized the world that were never funded or even attempted because of the struggle of doing such a thing.

>>1296531
If you will wait until there is COMPLETE evidence, it'll be far too late by than. Decisive action is needed, if you emotions and sensitive side don't like it. Tough luck. Morality is an idea made by humans, it gets us nowhere.

>>1296538
>80-90% of this world is normal and useless
80-90% of the world was never given a good fucking chance.

>>1296084
Sounds good.

Damn Inurdaes... reading through this thread. You are far too naive... Humanity just simply isn't all that intelligent as you think.

>>1296542
There is *no* evidence. Only your and a few other people's opinions.

>>1296544
..........

I was born into a relatively normal family, yet I have a pretty good chance. Not as good as the rich yes, but with pure determination and sense of mind I will succeed. I'm not going to whine about my woes and cry to myself all night.

>>1296544
>>Implying the western and asian civilizations were given a bigger chance than the others
>>in before germ shit and steel
>>troll thread

>>1296553
Look at history, there is your evidence. The masses have always been controlled, and if you want to take away control. You best as sure be ready to take away the masses as well. Stop trying to appease your sensitive side, only makes you look foolish.

The reason so many fucking people are stupid, lazy, inept and such is that the system is set up like that. How do you fucking know that a poor five year old in Africa that just died from extreme hunger and malnourishment wouldn't of become a super-Einstein under the right circumstances?

THIS is what I'm fucking talking about. Setting the human race on a better path. A new an glorious dawn awaits, not a sunrise, but a galaxyrise.

>>1296560
OP is too naive to see reason, it's hopeless.

>>1296561
>The masses have always been controlled
The masses control themselves. It's called society.

>>1296563
OH YES BLAME THE SYSTEMS. DON'T BLAME THE FUCKING IGNORANT LAZY FUCKS WHO DON't WANT TO DO ANYTHING.

When you say bullshit like this, it offends me. I was not born rich nor powerful, yet I somehow waded out through all of that shit. Fuck you and your bullshit.

>>1296566
Tell me your 'reason' then. Entertain me.

>>1296542
Morality is probably the most worthwhile thing ever made by humans and the ONLY thing that has let us reach as far as we have. What's the only thing that fully separates us from animals? Morality.

>>1296563
I detest idealogies like yours, you are an appologist.

OH NO IT's OBVIOUSLY THE SYSTEMS FAULT THAT PEOPLE ARE DUMBFUCKS.

/sigh

>>1296580
Lolno

Intelligence and sentience seperates us from animals. Not morality, a stupid and retarded idea that impedes progress.

>>1296574
You were born far richer than 80% of the world.
Wouldn't you of liked to get where you are or further but easier?

>>1296557

So with a bit of will and determination you're going to become a big corp CEO?

Sure you might end up with a better social situation than your parents, but it's been proven that it's harder and harder for middle and low social class kids to progress today, it's not with a bit of will and work, it's with a lot of those, and a huge amount of luck.

Also, will you might become an employee with a comfy enough salary, there's even less chances today than during your parents day to create, own and profit from your own successful business in any field.

>>1296586
I don't give a fuck about africa and it's starving bullshit. It's a terrible continents which is lazy as fucks. Europe and Asia pulled out and became superior while the rest failed hard. Either you are a troll, or an extremely naive fool.

>>1296581
I detest ideologies like yours.
"OH ITS THE PEOPLE'S FAULT IF THEY HAD THE WORK ETHIC AND KNOW-HOW LIKE ME THEY WOULDN'T BE IN SUCH A BAD POSITION"

>through all of that shit

and still you're full of it?

Lulz THIS THREAD =

SAVE THE POOR SAVE THE STARVING

BAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW

Fucking niggers in here. Go get your welfare elsewhere.

>>1296563

People don't die from malnutrition in Africa. They die from diarrhea and terrible healthcare systems because they're too busy electring corrupt politician from their tribes than people who want to go past the tribe/racial bullshit in africa.

TL;DR: you know jack shit about africa, shut up.

>>1296593
>It's a terrible continents which is lazy as fucks
Get out. The human race doesn't want you, you fucking idiot.

>>1296585
>sentience

I'm not even going to respond to this.

>intelligence

A dog is intelligent. Everything is a matter of degree, obviously, even morality. But I think it's the degree of morality that has allowed humans to overcome the challenges we have faced. Do you really think that pure anarchy is preferable? You would be killed in an instant. Of course, I can't say that for sure, but it's very probable.

>>1296612
Awwww the widdle baby is upset. AWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW How cute.

Go bawwwww somewhere else. No one here wants your gay bullshit and your faggy equality.

Inurdaes I don't agree with current capitalism either... but the only alternatives are socialism or oligarchy.

A technocracy is just a oligarchy with the vast majority or the population removed from the decision making process. Historically oligarchies fail because the group in charge starts to milk the system for their own benefit at the expense of the general populace.

The other alternative socialism also fails... simply because the real power in a socialist state always come from the bureaucracy. And a bureaucracy is always risk adverse. Sometimes a socialist state can maintain prosperity as long as there is a neighbour to copy for technological and cultural development but they don't develop these things themselves.

The problem with futuristic social systems is that they ignore human nature. A hell of allot of human nature is evolved and we don't have that much control over it. Ignoring human nature is asking for trouble.

I SURE LOVE HOW IDIOTS LOVE TO IGNORE HUMAN NATURE AND HAVE US ALL HOLD HANDS

LOVE LIVE NAIVETY

>>1296612

Na how about you get the fuck out?

Fucking nigger lover spotted, fuck off you nigger trash.

>>1296610
Do they have an alternative? You have to remember Africa has barely anything relating to the American/European system.
No real infrastructure, no money, the buttrape of resources etc.

How would you like to see a world without niggers, but with black people?

>>1296596
>>Implying posting that kind of sourceless "LOL AMERIKKA" pic makes you knowledgeable about economy.

>>1296612
Niggerfaggot, located.

>>1296616
I've made a mistake here. Because maybe you would prefer that, the flourishing of the more powerful.

>>1296622
You human nature overwhelms all type people are just as bad. Human nature is whatever we want it to be (or whatever we're weak enough to accept)

Inurdaes !lolol6yVHg - Let us categorize information on this hobo

-Loves Niggers
-Loves Rainbows
-Loves Equality
-Is Naive
-Obviously Gay

>>1296619
This 'futuristic' system/society would be completely toward the advancement of humanity, rights, conditions.

Also I fucking bet one of you butthurt faggots posted this on /new/. This thread is steadily becoming more racist.

>>1296645
fucking lol'd

>>1296646
Cry more nigger, no one cares about your retarded people in africa. Go live on welfare more. Probably got you on the internet too.

OP is an idiot. Look his picture.

>>1296645
Hello Glenn. How are things in America?

>>1296586

I think you might find the concept of charter cities useful. Paul Romer gave a TED talk about them recently... it's away of creating wealth for poor societies by using a clear system of rules.

The real reason Africa is poor and underdeveloped is because there is no intensive to develop wealth. If you create anything it will get taken from you by a thief, corrupt gov official or warlord. If people don't have the opportunity to get rich people stop taking risks.

http://www.ted.com/talks/paul_romer.html

>>1296645
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>>1296645

I would like (love) to see you guys argue your perfect societies idea from the position of a starving child in africa.

>>1296657
Pretty obvious the op lives in a ghetto or africa. Fucking lol'd.

>>1296668
But I'm not a starving child in africa. Why should I give a shit? Go take your QQ BUTTHURT bullshit elsewhere.

>>1296670
Australia bro.

>>1296668
Stupid argument is stupid. Humans are naturally selfish.

>>1296684
Anyone can name a random country. Only a nigger would say the things you are saying. Or an idiot? So which one?

>>1296689
English please. I don't speak Tea Party.

>>1296693
Human please, I don't like niggers.

>>1296695
>hay guise a black kid stole my lunch money once KKK lol fuk niggerz

>>1296678
I'm not butthurt all that much. I care about people, I suppose, so I am butthurt slightly.

>>1296687

It's directed at people advocating a perfect society, learn to read.

>>1296704
>Hey dawgs I'm a gangsta nigga sup.

>>1296706
>I care about people

On 4chanz? You must obviously be fucking lost.

This thread is going nowhere and it really pisses me off. Can we formulate some kind of consensus reached so far to continue from?

OH YES BLAME THE SYSTEMS. DON'T BLAME THE FUCKING IGNORANT LAZY FUCKS WHO DON't WANT TO DO ANYTHING.

fuck you. You're the reason why they're creating JObs when I was perfectly fine being unemployed with the economy as an excuse.

>>1296717
Already have, namefag op and his samefagging.

Inurdaes !lolol6yVHg - Let us categorize information on this hobo

-Loves Niggers
-Loves Rainbows
-Loves Equality
-Is Naive
-Obviously Gay

>>1296626

I'm black, from south africa, you know shit about africa, shut the fuck up.

1) Resources: no resources in Africa? LOLWAT?
2) Infrastructures: no infrastructures in Africa? Are you joking? With all the infrastructures that was given to Africa during colonization? And I'm not talking about the current infrastructures today that mainly are done by the western and Asian companies implanted in Africa.

Africa's problems are caused by african people and african people are the only responsible of this. We've never went past the tribe bullshit. People kill each others in Joannesburg today just because they're part of different tribes. All vote in africa are racial/tribe poll, if you're from tribe A you'll vote for candidate A who is from tribe A and that's it. You won't vote for him for his political views. Neither will you vote for someone else.

There's no political debate in africa. That's why we get only corrupted politicians. Change will come from africans and africans only.

You think that you're some kind of good person with all your apologist and leftist bullshit, while there's nothing more racist than considering africans people as some sort of children who are not starving only when liberal whitey is investing his superior skills and money to save us. That's the ultimate superior complex you can ever achieve: thinking that all the problems in the world are your fault and that you and only you can solve.

>>1296718
What?

>>1296722

continued:

Protip: people don't starve in africa except in countries at WAR and in zimbawbe but for very specific reasons. Most of us eat have a job, no we don't need your retarded non gov organizations to tell us "economics, how does it work?". Neither we don't need non gov organizations to teach us how to care about our own kids, because, open your fucking ears, orphan is a word that doesn't exist in africa.
We don't need you, yes you the liberal white hippie faggot, get out, africa will be better the day people like you will stop pretending to know about our problems, and the day non gov organisation will get the fuck out and let us take care of ourselves.

Even if this thread is 90% bullshit it has managed to convince me that a philosophy board would be very enjoyable.

>>1296722
Op just got fucking owned. Thank you, I like people like you, even if you are black.

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>>1296722
>>1296727
>I live in South Africa
Exactly.

But besides, I'm not talking specifically about Africa. I'm saying we have the technology and resources to allow everyone on the Earth to live a very, VERY comfortable lifestyle.

Stop insulting my people or else I'm going to hack you all! I know Computer Science III.

>>1296741
..........

Wow this idiot is arguing on how life is in Africa WITH a South African. Holy shit idiot patrol. Get the fuck off sci.

>>1296741
NO WE DO NOT IF WE DID THEN IT WOULD BE SO

YOU ARE A FUCKING PIECE OF SHIT, YOU ARE WORTHLESS AND YOU NEED TO BE EXTERMINATED

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>>1296732
>a philosophy board would be very enjoyable
FUND IT

But I'm sure that it'll just be filled with IF THERES NO GOD THEN WHY IS THERE MORALS

>>1296741
Everyone please just report this fucking faggot.

>>1296722
Fair enough but I don't understand your... what shall I call it.. your passion for victimizing yourself. Not perfect but what the hell. Wouldn't you prefer it if white people removed the oppression?

HURR GUYS IM UNURDAES AND I WATCH ZEITGEIST

I THINK HUMANITY R AWESOME AND CORPO CORPBAOTIONS ARE EBILZ

>>1296749
>>1296751
Mad?

>>1296759
And when the fool is exposed on his stupidity. He tries to pretend it's a troll. Fail.

People like Inurdaes should be shot in the head, nazi style. Fucking waste of life, worse than crackheads.

OP is a pretentious naive piece of horseshit.

I think that since I got 242 posts that this was a good discussion.

By which I mean I just successfully trolled you for over an hour. Have fun gents, I'm off to Team Fortress 2.

Yep when the idiot fail hard. He switches to troll argument, and says the customary off to TF2. How do these idiots get on here...

>>1296785
Anyone got that not retarded, trolling image that originated on /v/?

And people wonder why liberal idiots are as stupid as the "conservatives"

Guy was right though, end Capitalism now.

>>1296741

Exactly what? Because you're currently watching the world cup and watched some of the lefty documentaries on your public channels you think you know about my life and my country?

You think you have actually any fucking clue about what is going on in SA and why it is going on?

>>But besides, I'm not talking specifically about Africa. I'm saying we have the technology and resources to allow everyone on the Earth to live a very, VERY comfortable lifestyle.

No you don't, that's not how it work. Grow up and get out, no one is going to feed you with that golden spoon until your death.

It's funny that this kind of "but we are so rich and we should share EVERYTHING" always come from comfortably living white kids from some rich western countries who've never actually had a job or got something than a shitty /lit/ degree.

If you start sharing what few you have left (yes I'm talking to you USA and Europe) you'll lose the few social benefits you still have (healthcare, welfare, etc.).

I mean look at Euroland, it's you're dreamed technocracy, what a piece of shit it's becoming. They're accepting the mass immigration from africa of people they perfectly know will NEVER work (haha FRANCE), and just come to suck off the social benefits while actually producing nothing of value.

Your dream society is either communism or a nice technocracy. You're a fucking kid. Get out.

>>1296798
Probably not this one.

This is kind of disappointing to me. I know /sci/ likes to argue that they are more intelligent, so why does this discussion have to fall apart like this? I want to see real arguments for technocracy, counterpoints etcetera.

>>1296785
>>He starts a thread about his teenager's opinion.
>>He argues about his shit.
>>All is arguments are proven wrong.
>>Pretends to be a troll.

>>1296815
Mhm we know the OP was a pretentious child, best to just lol and move on.

>>1296828
Because you have people like op who are children, and think everyone is lovey lovey.

>>1296815
>I mean look at Euroland, it's you're dreamed technocracy, what a piece of shit it's becoming
>Europe
>Technocracy

Lol niggers.

>>1296828
For the same reasons that these things will never work. Everyone is too fucking lazy. Start arguing.

sage!

Inurdaes is going to be like cancer on sci now. Incoming namefag switch to some other gay bullshit.

In Steam browser, just letting you know pretending to be a communist is fucking easy. Just whine about how the syyysteeeem and corporaaaaaaaaatioooons are eeeviiilll

>>1296815
Why do your people insist the vuvuzelda is a cultural icon when it's a plastic horn designed and manufactured by a plastic company since 2001?

>>1296855
Lol stop trying to pretend you were a troll. Admit you were thinking like an idiot, move on, be less stupid. No one cares if you want to save face here, tis why we are anonymous.

>>1296857
I meant vuvuzela not zelda, like the game (which is pretty good by the way)

>>1296857
because BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

>>1296722

There we go, one for the Stormfront file.

>>1296859
Perhaps I overdid myself.

Lol this thread.... so bad.

Little communist children not seeing reality for teh win.

>>1296868
How can you overdo yourself if the intention is trolling? When you are trolling every reply is a confirmation of your trolling ability.

>>1296841
>>Parliement of elected people with no power.
>>Comissioners that aren't elected people with all the power.
>>"Experts" who make the laws.
>>Constitution disapproved every time by the people but still got accepted by those countries politicians.

Sure isn't technocracy around here.

>>1296883

All of this bullshit is incorrect.

Lulz is the only thing that is true in this world, fuck your morality.

Europe is definitely not a technocracy. More like a council of FAIL.

>>1296883
>>1296883

Communism is true, capitalism is false.

You dogs are about to see just how false.